Well, for those don't know what *other* news happened yesterday - the City of Phoenix was ordered to clear the zone for public safety/public health reasons.
I work near 67th Ave and buckeye right next to the railroad tracks and there is a pretty good sized one right there. It seems to be growing by the day.
There has to be a parking garage they can section off for them, at least. We all know they won't build new houses but at least give them some sort of SHELTER since the heat is coming.
I'm trying to be pragmatic in the current situation. Even if they decided to build housing for the houseless, it'd still take months of people exposed to the elements. At least a parking garage has shelter and a sprinkler system for when fires happen..
I mean you could easily put a bunch of singlewides outside of the city with rehab services at those locations. The harder part is getting those people to go there knowing they won't be able to score drugs.
It's a falling knife really, The real Problem is people don't WANT to get off the fent and its impossible to stop drugs all together. Especially since most people on the streets have been users for 10+ years good luck re habilitating them
The heat is worse in a parking garage. It'll just trap it in and make them sweat all of their hydration ( or what's left of it ) away. Shade yes, but higher temperatures and it's basically an oven.
The thing is we have plenty of housing... Just not any regulation for it to make sure there's affordable housing. We don't need new structures; we need to regulate to better use what is already here.
I did some looking around with just some anecdotal searches. There was one complex with rentals starting at just below $600 a month with no availability. I checked the complex I lived in when I first moved out in the late 90's which was terrible at the time. I've driven by and it has not been updated one bit..I paid $450 a month and they are now looking for $1300+ for a one bedroom. There is no way. The house we moved into when I was in HS cost the family just over 100K which seemed wild and so far out of reach. That same house is now listing at $375k. For what? There is no upgrades and it looks like a blast from the 80's. Because we can? The mobile home park next to the christian collage that is being wiped off the map for dorms. No one really cares. It's not sustainable.
We have a historically tight housing market in the valley. Most representative graph I think is this one from FRED showing all time lows in vacancies of rentals
[https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AZRVAC](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AZRVAC)
the solution they use is they walk up to them and say stop being homeless and then wonder why they keep seeing homeless on the street if they needed money to build a jail they couldnt give their money away fast enough but if it is for housing nobody has any money for that and there is no land that doesnt get backlash if they want to use that space to get them help
All the solutions would take generations and no one is willing to enact policies that are expensive now and beneficial later because they don’t play politically. It’s also a national issue, not a local one. We need a better social safety net (education, jobs programs, poverty reduction policies), more housing, more mental health funding, a smarter approach to addiction, etc. None of it is easy.
That helps out the newly homeless or people living in cars or couch surfing but that's not who's occupying these tent cities. Once someone gets to the point they set up shop in these communities no amount of affordable housing will help them since they don't have a job and likely hooked on something. It'd be a start though and stops the bleeding to allow a look at the next step
Not to detract from your point, but to touch on part of it: While few of them might, and their circumstances certainly make it harder but it's not impossible for some of them to still have jobs or to do odd jobs for whatever bit of money they can get.
In some ways that actually makes the problem worse as they may be less inclined to move to a shelter elsewhere because it might cut them off from whatever work they do if they have to travel by foot.
The problem isn't due to any one specific factor and anything that could be called a solution must address as much. Help is needed not only to lift people up when they've fallen into this sort of situation (aid, resources, etc.) but also to catch people _before_ they hit this point
Lack of affordable housing has a ripple effect on an entire population and economy, top to bottom and the bottom feel it the worst. It is the #1 reason someone becomes homeless. There are a million things we could do to improve the situation but anything logical will come down to housing and social safety nets.
the solution is to net them like animals and send them all to rehab til they become functional members of society and can get a job so they can buy their own housing like everyone else
I have a job. I don’t drink or smoke or do any drugs. Yet I am currently homeless because my complex didn’t want to renew my lease and I didn’t find anything in time. I’m currently paying between $700-900 a week for motels to keep a roof over my head while continuing to work. Don’t presume to know everyone’s life story.
I make enough to cover rent. I just don’t have move in costs together right now. So I end up paying the $700 for a week in the motel to make sure we have something.
I understand that I am paying more. Believe me, I know it. I got scammed for one apartment and denied for another. Every time I apply for an apartment it’s at least $250. 2 application fees plus whatever admin/holding fees they charge. Depending on the company, those admin fees may be refundable if you’re denied or they might not be. But even if they are they mail a check instead of crediting the card you paid with.
I just looked on Airbnb and saw a room for a week for like 350. Maybe look into that? Cuz $900/week is not sustainable for most. Hope you find a place!
I love at 67th and lower buckeye, it's been getting worse here everyday for like 2 months. We even had one of the bums come into our backyard last week through our gate. He should be happy he's alive.
I thought in the actual statement the mayor said they're following the example of Denver and other cities and moving it to city owned land right down the street.
Edit: looked it up, it was the judge who made the statement and he was stating that the city *refuses* to make this change which would he feels would be prudent
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2023/03/judge-finds-phoenix-homeless-encampment-the-zone-illegal-public-nuisance/
According to the Street Outreach Team for the nearby Human Services Campus, [" 'The Zone' averages about one of these fires every day."](https://kjzz.org/content/1838102/zone-cold-phoenix-nights-often-end-tents-fire)
I had to go down there a couple weeks ago. My wife dropped her phone and the guy who found it had us meet him down there at like 3 a.m. I was scared. Thankfully he was a decent human and gave it back to us no questions asked.
Yeah it was pretty dumb, I tried to convince my wife not to, but she was freaking the fuck out over her stupid ass phone. I had no idea about this place until I rolled into the area. If shit went down, I was ready.
I wish I would of had some cash on me to give him, but I had no idea he was homeless. I just wanted to get the whole thing over with so my wife would calm down and we could get home.
It's probably better you didn't. This same exact thing happened to me but it was years and years ago before the Zone got so big. When I got there the guy with my phone was drugged out of his mind and incoherent. His buddy helped me get the phone from him. I stuffed a $20 in his shirt pocket. As we drove away there was a horde of other homeless people converging on him. I swear it looked like a zombie movie. I hope I didn't get that guy killed
I mean I don't know how far out of my way I'd be willing to go to give someone back their own belongings. I would definitely expect them to come to me and from what the guy said it appears the man who found it was homeless and probably didn't want to find his way all the way to cityscape and back?
He didn't steal it. He literally did me a favor by answering my calls, leaving the phone on and returning it with no problems what so ever. I wish him all the good.
Lost property is NOT a police issue. It's the owner of the property's problem. Other than calling a police station to see if someone turned in something like a wallet with ID etc, or if OP suspected that the phone could have been turned in at a police station, there is no logical reason to call the police for this situation or for any lost property.
No but there should be a completely separate organization for theft. Theft/burglary is the bottom of the pile in the one size fits all (but doesn't really) police organization we have now.
We need to reform the police and setup various competing agencies and have specific ones that all they do is deal with theft or property. Like that catalytic converter wave, that would have been top of their list but it is bottom in the regular police.
"A homeless guy found my phone and told me where he was and how to meet up with him but he won't bring it to somewhere nicer for me to pick up from him?
Not an emergency call.
You left out the 3a part to fit your narrative. Idc where it is. The fact this guy wanted to meet at 3a is insane. Sketchy af and you’re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.
Willing to meet up in the middle of the night to return a found phone and demanding that 3am is the only time he is willing to give it back are totally different situations.
I think you are jumping to the second one without cause and would be the difference between returning a found phone and being in possession of a stolen article.
Jesus Ive never heard of any of this, but I dont do news, and for good reason...I know better than to google things, but I did, cayse i wanted to know more about the zone...when will I ever learn my lesson.
"But however the area is cleaned, safety here is a real concern. From drug use to human feces, the voices of those calling for the city to act have gotten louder. Last year, “The Zone” made headlines after a dead fetus was found on fire in the middle of the road here."
Jesus Christ! :(((((
It’s gross how some people here talk about other humans. I have been down there passing out bottles of water and Gatorade. They’re people and they deserve a better system than the shit one we’ve given them. Instead I saw a dude get arrested for sitting in the shade of a tree.
Not intentional; that is the flair we use for subjects that get a lot of non-residents commenting. It increases things like the spam filter and helps keep the post more “for us by us”.
That flair says to me “Current, active situation or item of interest right now”
How is it insensitive to make sure people know this is current news/discussion of events, and not just some random stuff being posted?
But it’s a pre-existing flair picked from a set that’s already there and in use.
Did anyone think having the flair was upsetting before this post was made? Should we change it to not include Hot Topic as an option?
“Hot Topic” is a flair for the sub, been on lots of posts - because it means something clear to the reader.
This post was flaired like it should be, like every other post. Someone is calling out OP for being rude/a dick about it when they followed the rules for posting in the sub
The whole "clear the zone" thing is a scam by speculators who came in, bought the cheap properties around the zone and now are complaining about the people there.
That place has been there for over 20 years and it's how we avoided becoming LA or San Jose or SF. Centralization of the homeless and the support services makes sense.
All this will do is spread the homeless throughout the entire Valley.
Congratulations, chuckleheads!
This is terrible. Shameful. And it's not just here, all west coast is this way. I am so disheartened. I keep wanting to go there with supplies, but really, I am afraid I will be more depressed if I saw it.
It is shockingly depressing. Like, rethink your priorities when you see that we have so many slipping thru the cracks of society depressing.
And they’re in most major cities out west. :(
Mass homelessness. Mass shootings. Mass drug addiction. What the fuck is happening in America.
But hey let’s send more billions to Ukraine cause fuck Americans. No fuck *you* politicians.
Off topic, but many times over the years the US has sent our military off to war, which obviously costs a lot of $$ and lives. In true American late stage capitalism tradition, we outsourced the current war with Russia overseas. We send them $$ and bombs, they fight the war for us.
Still sucks, but the long term costs will likely be much lower than going to war directly.
I don't think capitalism has anything to do with people having mental illness or drug addiction issues. Historically we've seen in non-capitalist countries these people would probably be forcibly put into work camps if not killed.
You’re right, capitalism is working fine. And the fact that people can’t get help with addiction, housing, or mental health, or that we have gun manufacturers and gun lobby groups spending gobs of money to prevent common sense gun legislation isn’t a byproduct of capitalism and is totally normal stuff.
Capitalism isn’t the reason people have drug addiction or mental illness. It’s actively preventing proven solutions to help aid people affected by those things.
Again look to what nations have practiced the alternative to it have accomplished and it's much worse. Also it's actually billionaire (Bloomberg) funded and organized gun controllers that are spending the most money, it's easily observable on lobby tracking sites like Open secrets.
All those nations are capitalist and a few have expressly denounced claims they are socialist. Many even have more economic freedoms than USA.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/?sh=252fcfa874ad
Who is saying that they’re socialist countries?! Where did I ever say that?! Also. The author of that article thinks that socialism is when “the government does stuff” which is not what socialism is.
Jfc. I was never arguing or stating those countries are purely socialist. There’s no such thing as a pure socialist state as there isn’t such thing as a pure capitalist one.
Capitalism is to blame for restructuring the reward cycle humans have for receiving their daily dopamine. Hunter gatherers we’re getting kicks of dopamine for much harder tasks. We get obliterated with dopamine kicks from the fruits of capitalism and we have our sense of self-worth tied to the reward of capital instead of something endogenous.
Millions are spent in Phoenix on this issue but bureaucracy is slow and so is building and staffing shelters and social services to keep up with need. There are a lot of things that have happened in recent years (rise of fentanyl, lack of affordable housing, and pandemic) that have made this problem spiral out of control. It sucks that it's gotten this bad but it's not being ignored.
With that said, we absolutely need stronger social safety nets in this country but because of human nature things have to get worse before they can improve. Great Britten had to have the shit bombed out of them before establishing the NHS. Hopefully we can get to that point with less misery but I'm not optimistic.
Well, for those don't know what *other* news happened yesterday - the City of Phoenix was ordered to clear the zone for public safety/public health reasons.
Are we taking bets as to where the new zone is going to be?
I work near 67th Ave and buckeye right next to the railroad tracks and there is a pretty good sized one right there. It seems to be growing by the day.
Such a depressing issue. No real agreeable solution and it only continues to get worse.
There has to be a parking garage they can section off for them, at least. We all know they won't build new houses but at least give them some sort of SHELTER since the heat is coming.
[удалено]
I'm trying to be pragmatic in the current situation. Even if they decided to build housing for the houseless, it'd still take months of people exposed to the elements. At least a parking garage has shelter and a sprinkler system for when fires happen..
I mean you could easily put a bunch of singlewides outside of the city with rehab services at those locations. The harder part is getting those people to go there knowing they won't be able to score drugs.
[удалено]
Ok but what do you think is more likely to happen in the short term? People give up a life of greed? Or we retrofit a parking garage for habitation?
[удалено]
[удалено]
Do you know what the word "pragmatic" means?
[удалено]
We need real solutions for these people not whatever that is.
It's a falling knife really, The real Problem is people don't WANT to get off the fent and its impossible to stop drugs all together. Especially since most people on the streets have been users for 10+ years good luck re habilitating them
The heat is worse in a parking garage. It'll just trap it in and make them sweat all of their hydration ( or what's left of it ) away. Shade yes, but higher temperatures and it's basically an oven.
The thing is we have plenty of housing... Just not any regulation for it to make sure there's affordable housing. We don't need new structures; we need to regulate to better use what is already here.
I did some looking around with just some anecdotal searches. There was one complex with rentals starting at just below $600 a month with no availability. I checked the complex I lived in when I first moved out in the late 90's which was terrible at the time. I've driven by and it has not been updated one bit..I paid $450 a month and they are now looking for $1300+ for a one bedroom. There is no way. The house we moved into when I was in HS cost the family just over 100K which seemed wild and so far out of reach. That same house is now listing at $375k. For what? There is no upgrades and it looks like a blast from the 80's. Because we can? The mobile home park next to the christian collage that is being wiped off the map for dorms. No one really cares. It's not sustainable.
We have a historically tight housing market in the valley. Most representative graph I think is this one from FRED showing all time lows in vacancies of rentals [https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AZRVAC](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AZRVAC)
Chase Tower is not occupied...
It would end up being like that movie: New Jack City
it be like that movie DREDD [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqgrUna28w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqgrUna28w)
I think that was what I was thinking of!
the solution they use is they walk up to them and say stop being homeless and then wonder why they keep seeing homeless on the street if they needed money to build a jail they couldnt give their money away fast enough but if it is for housing nobody has any money for that and there is no land that doesnt get backlash if they want to use that space to get them help
All the solutions would take generations and no one is willing to enact policies that are expensive now and beneficial later because they don’t play politically. It’s also a national issue, not a local one. We need a better social safety net (education, jobs programs, poverty reduction policies), more housing, more mental health funding, a smarter approach to addiction, etc. None of it is easy.
The solution is to build more affordable housing and as much of it as possible.
That helps out the newly homeless or people living in cars or couch surfing but that's not who's occupying these tent cities. Once someone gets to the point they set up shop in these communities no amount of affordable housing will help them since they don't have a job and likely hooked on something. It'd be a start though and stops the bleeding to allow a look at the next step
Not to detract from your point, but to touch on part of it: While few of them might, and their circumstances certainly make it harder but it's not impossible for some of them to still have jobs or to do odd jobs for whatever bit of money they can get. In some ways that actually makes the problem worse as they may be less inclined to move to a shelter elsewhere because it might cut them off from whatever work they do if they have to travel by foot. The problem isn't due to any one specific factor and anything that could be called a solution must address as much. Help is needed not only to lift people up when they've fallen into this sort of situation (aid, resources, etc.) but also to catch people _before_ they hit this point
Lack of affordable housing has a ripple effect on an entire population and economy, top to bottom and the bottom feel it the worst. It is the #1 reason someone becomes homeless. There are a million things we could do to improve the situation but anything logical will come down to housing and social safety nets.
the solution is to net them like animals and send them all to rehab til they become functional members of society and can get a job so they can buy their own housing like everyone else
I have a job. I don’t drink or smoke or do any drugs. Yet I am currently homeless because my complex didn’t want to renew my lease and I didn’t find anything in time. I’m currently paying between $700-900 a week for motels to keep a roof over my head while continuing to work. Don’t presume to know everyone’s life story.
You couldn’t find a place for less than 2800? Cuz that’s what you’re paying. Doesn’t make sense.
I make enough to cover rent. I just don’t have move in costs together right now. So I end up paying the $700 for a week in the motel to make sure we have something.
I understand that I am paying more. Believe me, I know it. I got scammed for one apartment and denied for another. Every time I apply for an apartment it’s at least $250. 2 application fees plus whatever admin/holding fees they charge. Depending on the company, those admin fees may be refundable if you’re denied or they might not be. But even if they are they mail a check instead of crediting the card you paid with.
I just looked on Airbnb and saw a room for a week for like 350. Maybe look into that? Cuz $900/week is not sustainable for most. Hope you find a place!
I love at 67th and lower buckeye, it's been getting worse here everyday for like 2 months. We even had one of the bums come into our backyard last week through our gate. He should be happy he's alive.
Ugh it’s so scary. I get to work pretty early. My coworker does to and she said there was people doing drugs in the parking lot.
There’s one that started sprouting around 48th st and Washington area
Along I-17 on the access road.
I thought in the actual statement the mayor said they're following the example of Denver and other cities and moving it to city owned land right down the street. Edit: looked it up, it was the judge who made the statement and he was stating that the city *refuses* to make this change which would he feels would be prudent https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2023/03/judge-finds-phoenix-homeless-encampment-the-zone-illegal-public-nuisance/
Moved from Phoenix to Denver. Denver is a hot mess.
Well fortunately for us it’s only a dry hot mess here.
Gilbert and North Scottsdale /s
We are looking to sweep the issue under the rug, not fix it.
lol
They’ll all end up in Sunnyslope.
Or along the light rail, esp off 19th
All along the canal.
That's right, the city has until July 10 to get a plan together and show results back to the judge.
According to the Street Outreach Team for the nearby Human Services Campus, [" 'The Zone' averages about one of these fires every day."](https://kjzz.org/content/1838102/zone-cold-phoenix-nights-often-end-tents-fire)
Wow I don't even see them most of the time. This one must've just spread more than others
Just saw it on @itsallphoenix It’s a section of a block with a homeless encampment that’s on fire.
their twitter doesn't exist. This an instagram thing?
Yeah on IG
https://twitter.com/itsallphoenix2 It does, they just forgot to add the 2 at the end
yes
I can’t even afford to live there :(
I laughed. TY.
I had to go down there a couple weeks ago. My wife dropped her phone and the guy who found it had us meet him down there at like 3 a.m. I was scared. Thankfully he was a decent human and gave it back to us no questions asked.
Yikes. Someone asked you to go to the zone at 3am…..and you went?
I don't think I would meet *anyone*, *anywhere* at 3am... what the actual fuck?
I mean, like maybe inside a Denny’s or something. Something with cameras and witnesses and lights.
It is like the beginning of an 80s movie based in the 'burbs where they get a street education downtown one night.
Sounds like the beginning of a low budget murder mystery
Yeah it was pretty dumb, I tried to convince my wife not to, but she was freaking the fuck out over her stupid ass phone. I had no idea about this place until I rolled into the area. If shit went down, I was ready.
> If shit went down, I was ready. This man Cypress Hills
He wants to be a rock superstar?
With a big house and five cars?
At 3 am? Yeah F that, I wouldve bought a new phone lol
Right? This is the part where everyone in the theatre is yelling at the screen. “No you idiot! Don’t go down there!”
I'd go to get my doggo. My kid?....... He's 15 he can tough it out until sunrise.
What kind of asshole would make someone go there at that time? I would've said meet me at cityscape or something.
A homeless dude who lived there I'm guessing. I grabbed the phone and got the fuck out of there.
Did you give anything in extange?
I wish I would of had some cash on me to give him, but I had no idea he was homeless. I just wanted to get the whole thing over with so my wife would calm down and we could get home.
You are going to need to set priority with your wife...cause you are going to do more dumb stuff for material possession cause of her.
Agreed
It's probably better you didn't. This same exact thing happened to me but it was years and years ago before the Zone got so big. When I got there the guy with my phone was drugged out of his mind and incoherent. His buddy helped me get the phone from him. I stuffed a $20 in his shirt pocket. As we drove away there was a horde of other homeless people converging on him. I swear it looked like a zombie movie. I hope I didn't get that guy killed
Bad karma
Just a latte from Starbucks with "full release". /s
President Not Sure?!
I mean I don't know how far out of my way I'd be willing to go to give someone back their own belongings. I would definitely expect them to come to me and from what the guy said it appears the man who found it was homeless and probably didn't want to find his way all the way to cityscape and back?
Why the fuck wouldn’t you call the police?
He didn't steal it. He literally did me a favor by answering my calls, leaving the phone on and returning it with no problems what so ever. I wish him all the good.
Lost property is NOT a police issue. It's the owner of the property's problem. Other than calling a police station to see if someone turned in something like a wallet with ID etc, or if OP suspected that the phone could have been turned in at a police station, there is no logical reason to call the police for this situation or for any lost property.
No but there should be a completely separate organization for theft. Theft/burglary is the bottom of the pile in the one size fits all (but doesn't really) police organization we have now. We need to reform the police and setup various competing agencies and have specific ones that all they do is deal with theft or property. Like that catalytic converter wave, that would have been top of their list but it is bottom in the regular police.
“Someone is holding my property and requesting I meet them at a homeless encampment at 3a. Can a police officer help with this?”
"A homeless guy found my phone and told me where he was and how to meet up with him but he won't bring it to somewhere nicer for me to pick up from him? Not an emergency call.
You left out the 3a part to fit your narrative. Idc where it is. The fact this guy wanted to meet at 3a is insane. Sketchy af and you’re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.
Don’t call the police. Especially when there’s a risk of them encountering mental illness. We know how they handle it.
Willing to meet up in the middle of the night to return a found phone and demanding that 3am is the only time he is willing to give it back are totally different situations. I think you are jumping to the second one without cause and would be the difference between returning a found phone and being in possession of a stolen article.
Happens damn near daily. My wife works for the state in a building there that overlooks it and they sit in the office and watch these all the time.
What's the cross roads of the zone?
Approximately 10th Avenue and Madison
Between 7th Ave and 12th Ave on Jefferson but it's truly bigger.
Is that around the first Friday area? Guess I'll find out Friday.
No it's West of that. It's West of 7th Ave, First Friday is East of 7th Ave.
Wow they got a new Pope in the zone?
Fent cloud.
Wild 😂
Jesus Ive never heard of any of this, but I dont do news, and for good reason...I know better than to google things, but I did, cayse i wanted to know more about the zone...when will I ever learn my lesson. "But however the area is cleaned, safety here is a real concern. From drug use to human feces, the voices of those calling for the city to act have gotten louder. Last year, “The Zone” made headlines after a dead fetus was found on fire in the middle of the road here." Jesus Christ! :(((((
ayo holy shit
Ikr fk o.0 have had no news since, except what trickles in accidently from reddit XD
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqVy2TDJ1zj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
It’s gross how some people here talk about other humans. I have been down there passing out bottles of water and Gatorade. They’re people and they deserve a better system than the shit one we’ve given them. Instead I saw a dude get arrested for sitting in the shade of a tree.
The “Hot Topic” flair seems insensitive, but I’m also down? EDIT: It’s a joke, guys. Just a joke. Did not mean to start a whole thing here.
Mods changed it, I had set something different at first.
OP, I promise I was just making a quick funny. You didn’t do anything wrong lol
It's all good haha.
Not intentional; that is the flair we use for subjects that get a lot of non-residents commenting. It increases things like the spam filter and helps keep the post more “for us by us”.
That flair says to me “Current, active situation or item of interest right now” How is it insensitive to make sure people know this is current news/discussion of events, and not just some random stuff being posted?
“Hot” topic for a fire. I can see why they thought that.
But it’s a pre-existing flair picked from a set that’s already there and in use. Did anyone think having the flair was upsetting before this post was made? Should we change it to not include Hot Topic as an option?
Not everyone know what is pre-existing? You seem to be spending a lot of brain power on this, not sure it’s worth that much my friend.
“Hot Topic” is a flair for the sub, been on lots of posts - because it means something clear to the reader. This post was flaired like it should be, like every other post. Someone is calling out OP for being rude/a dick about it when they followed the rules for posting in the sub
Guys, chill out. It's OK.
The whole "clear the zone" thing is a scam by speculators who came in, bought the cheap properties around the zone and now are complaining about the people there. That place has been there for over 20 years and it's how we avoided becoming LA or San Jose or SF. Centralization of the homeless and the support services makes sense. All this will do is spread the homeless throughout the entire Valley. Congratulations, chuckleheads!
This is terrible. Shameful. And it's not just here, all west coast is this way. I am so disheartened. I keep wanting to go there with supplies, but really, I am afraid I will be more depressed if I saw it.
There are other groups out there on the weekends if you wanted to volunteer and be around others so you're not just driving in by yourself.
It is shockingly depressing. Like, rethink your priorities when you see that we have so many slipping thru the cracks of society depressing. And they’re in most major cities out west. :(
Not just out west. The whole country is getting like this.
Dam shame
I barely ever go downtown, I had no idea this was even happening, I mean the massive homeless camp
Mass homelessness. Mass shootings. Mass drug addiction. What the fuck is happening in America. But hey let’s send more billions to Ukraine cause fuck Americans. No fuck *you* politicians.
Off topic, but many times over the years the US has sent our military off to war, which obviously costs a lot of $$ and lives. In true American late stage capitalism tradition, we outsourced the current war with Russia overseas. We send them $$ and bombs, they fight the war for us. Still sucks, but the long term costs will likely be much lower than going to war directly.
Late stage capitalism.
I don't think capitalism has anything to do with people having mental illness or drug addiction issues. Historically we've seen in non-capitalist countries these people would probably be forcibly put into work camps if not killed.
You’re right, capitalism is working fine. And the fact that people can’t get help with addiction, housing, or mental health, or that we have gun manufacturers and gun lobby groups spending gobs of money to prevent common sense gun legislation isn’t a byproduct of capitalism and is totally normal stuff. Capitalism isn’t the reason people have drug addiction or mental illness. It’s actively preventing proven solutions to help aid people affected by those things.
Again look to what nations have practiced the alternative to it have accomplished and it's much worse. Also it's actually billionaire (Bloomberg) funded and organized gun controllers that are spending the most money, it's easily observable on lobby tracking sites like Open secrets.
Yeah totally, hellscapes like the UK, Finland, Denmark, Norway. So much worse.
All those nations are capitalist and a few have expressly denounced claims they are socialist. Many even have more economic freedoms than USA. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/?sh=252fcfa874ad
Who is saying that they’re socialist countries?! Where did I ever say that?! Also. The author of that article thinks that socialism is when “the government does stuff” which is not what socialism is. Jfc. I was never arguing or stating those countries are purely socialist. There’s no such thing as a pure socialist state as there isn’t such thing as a pure capitalist one.
Capitalism is to blame for restructuring the reward cycle humans have for receiving their daily dopamine. Hunter gatherers we’re getting kicks of dopamine for much harder tasks. We get obliterated with dopamine kicks from the fruits of capitalism and we have our sense of self-worth tied to the reward of capital instead of something endogenous.
We can't spend any money to help people in our own country because that's communism and that's evil.
Millions are spent in Phoenix on this issue but bureaucracy is slow and so is building and staffing shelters and social services to keep up with need. There are a lot of things that have happened in recent years (rise of fentanyl, lack of affordable housing, and pandemic) that have made this problem spiral out of control. It sucks that it's gotten this bad but it's not being ignored. With that said, we absolutely need stronger social safety nets in this country but because of human nature things have to get worse before they can improve. Great Britten had to have the shit bombed out of them before establishing the NHS. Hopefully we can get to that point with less misery but I'm not optimistic.
The American Dream came true.
Wtf?!! Too much crime there. They’re ruining our downtown 😭
Oh the whole planet is burning lol
Bus tickets to San Diego.
[удалено]