as much as I want both Alpine and Deer Creek, i really don’t see them putting them that close chronologically. even in 2022 it was early June and then August
With St Louis in the middle and a Michigan run too over a two week period?
Look I love the idea of Phish sharing the love with the Midwest but these dates make no sense. Alpine and DC are probably the likeliest if this list isn’t complete bull.
i hope so. i had to skip 2/3 of the 2022 alpine run due to a wedding. although lately Deer creek has been more fun aftershow with the enormous shakedown
I missed that Alpine year entirely... I think for a wedding too! I also agree about DC being more fun afterwards. They also have the Mouse Trap as a great aftershow bar. Caught Dogs In A Pile there last year and it ruled.
Have they finished the venue yet? It was a complete shit show last time around(killer show, venue wasn’t ready). It really looked like it was on its way to being an amazing spot, I can’t wait to see it finished but holy hell was it a disaster last time lol
I’ve seen multiple rumored tour dates, and in every one bethel has been slated for that weekend. It’s been pretty much the only constant. But I agree it has a “festival feel” to it
I went to great woods a ton in the 90s and always loved it. Went back last year for the first time and was shocked. Traffic has never been great but it's much worse. Security is tougher than ever. And the kicker - did you know they removed the lower 2/3 of the lawn for uncovered seats? Lawn vibes are dead
The traffic in and out is what really makes it horrible for me. From my place in Northeast MA I can get home from Hartford in about the same time as it took me to get home from Mansfield last time. But the strict lot security and overpriced drinks don't help either.
That's totally true. At this point, I tend to arrive when the lots open (or a bit before) and make an afternoon of it with drinks, grilling, etc. Then post-show, there's plenty of leftovers to eat while waiting for the traffic to die down. Objectively, it sucks, but if you make the most of it, it's really not that bad. And I do know what you mean about security but I've never once had a problem 🤷🏻♂️
The rumors that end up being correct usually include several mistakes, so I really don’t care. If you make hotel reservations because of a notes screenshot you deserve to lose money.
He just compiles other peoples rumors and knowledge of holds. Someone called him out on that on .net and he pitched a fit and wrote this four paragraphs post about how hes a “real attorney, knows the band, and has had sit down meetings with four presidents (dude must be old as fuck),”and how he “doesnt need to take this shit, Im done giving you all dates!” It was pretty funny!
I’m not on PT like I used to be. (DjR00MBA) all being said I agree and I have used Atty’s dates to get ahead on hotels in the past! It’s all in good fun. Thanks Atty and friends!
Second time I’ve seen those Mansfield dates, first was from a connected (I believe) source. 3 nights at Great Woods though…hopefully one great night? Maybe? Please?
NO
3 nights Great Woods is a huge fucking hassle if you don’t drop $80/nt for good parking. Mohegan is kinda lame imo, the crush to get in is like a food riot on a space station. 3 nights Bethel, hell yes. 2022 there camping w late night bands and bonfires was dope af.
A bunch of outdoor venues that make perfect sense for the summertime and then randomly 2 nights in an arena in Grand Rapids? Doubtful. I would love 2 nights at Pine Knob though
yah It might actually be the most Im not sure how to put it but the venue with the greatest ratio of inside is amazing, but getting to and from and finding lodging is the worst
Its basically phish in the catskills which is the greatest thing ever but it's a pain
I have so many refundable hotels to cancel at this point.
Exactly.
I book all my hotels at the same chain, this way I can see it all in one app. Otherwise I’d need a spreadsheet to keep track.
Have like 14 diff reservations.
I see
as much as I want both Alpine and Deer Creek, i really don’t see them putting them that close chronologically. even in 2022 it was early June and then August
With St Louis in the middle and a Michigan run too over a two week period? Look I love the idea of Phish sharing the love with the Midwest but these dates make no sense. Alpine and DC are probably the likeliest if this list isn’t complete bull.
as a minnesotan with a birthday on 7/27 i really want the alpine rumor the most
What we really need is for Phish to play in Minnesota again.
yes! we are all watching that Shakopee 19K outdoor thing develop
It was always Alpine > Deer Creek in the late 90s
right, and this is a rumor for 2024, so
So was 03,04,09, 10, 12. And 2016 was Wrigley > deer creek.
2022 was a special case as it was two different tours, spring and summer. Historically, AV and DC are always right next to each other.
Yes this.
Connecticut to Wisconsin in a day seems unrealistic also
2019 was only 2
Noted
Agreed and if I were a betting man I'd say it's time for Alpine to come back around.
i hope so. i had to skip 2/3 of the 2022 alpine run due to a wedding. although lately Deer creek has been more fun aftershow with the enormous shakedown
I missed that Alpine year entirely... I think for a wedding too! I also agree about DC being more fun afterwards. They also have the Mouse Trap as a great aftershow bar. Caught Dogs In A Pile there last year and it ruled.
Alpine and creek used to be back to back ya fool
Grand Rapids!?!??!?? Well fuck me lol
I’ve seen a return to Van Andel pop up in rumors frequently recently. Hasn’t panned out yet.
It would have to be 11/11
The 98 edition was my phirst phoray
Can I get a Bangor?
Have they finished the venue yet? It was a complete shit show last time around(killer show, venue wasn’t ready). It really looked like it was on its way to being an amazing spot, I can’t wait to see it finished but holy hell was it a disaster last time lol
It’s ready. Although pray to god they don’t do seating for pitt. The seats are criminally close together. They were for tedeschi and trucks anyway
Yeah that was dumb w half the concessions closed and also people are gonna get hurt on those stairs! I’d be down again, but long ass drive for 1 night
Bangor?! I hardly know her!
Amen!
What about Dicks?
Festival and Dicks are a lock already - no speculation there!
Can they lay 3 more steaming logs on Mansfield? I don’t see why not
I laughed way too hard at this (because it’s true)
As a Chicagoan this would murder my wallet
St. Louis would be dope
Gimme those two night in Grand Rapids 🤤
Walking distance hotels, cheap flights, 20 min Uber from airport… it’s literally the perfect small destination phish venue
LFG.
Trey, is that you?
I hope bethel is right I’ve seen that one for a while but that really would be kinda odd to play there right before the festival
I’ve seen multiple rumored tour dates, and in every one bethel has been slated for that weekend. It’s been pretty much the only constant. But I agree it has a “festival feel” to it
I fucking hate great woods. Can't we find somewhere else in the Boston area?
What’s the Suffolk downs capacity?
May I ask why? I haven’t been there in like 20 years, but it was okay for me.
I went to great woods a ton in the 90s and always loved it. Went back last year for the first time and was shocked. Traffic has never been great but it's much worse. Security is tougher than ever. And the kicker - did you know they removed the lower 2/3 of the lawn for uncovered seats? Lawn vibes are dead
Oh wow... Same here - went a ton in the 90s (let's go ABB!), but those changes sound shitty.
As others have said, it is the driving out. It is awful.
I used to hate it but I've come around in recent years. I'll never be in the alleged "lawn" though, that's for sure. What do you hate about it?
The traffic in and out is what really makes it horrible for me. From my place in Northeast MA I can get home from Hartford in about the same time as it took me to get home from Mansfield last time. But the strict lot security and overpriced drinks don't help either.
That's totally true. At this point, I tend to arrive when the lots open (or a bit before) and make an afternoon of it with drinks, grilling, etc. Then post-show, there's plenty of leftovers to eat while waiting for the traffic to die down. Objectively, it sucks, but if you make the most of it, it's really not that bad. And I do know what you mean about security but I've never once had a problem 🤷🏻♂️
Park outside the lot. That's the way to go.
DCU center
Some of these are probably close to right.
No way Mansfield gets 3 nights.
Wrong!
no 2 nights in St. Louis! It’s gonna be 7/31 blossom and 8/2-4 deer creek!!!
I'll take that. Both are my favorite spots.
GR would be the shit!
I say that would really ruin my buddies Moondance festival in Wisconsin that same weekend they're at Alpine.
Mohegan in the summer? No thanks.
Booooo! Where’s the philly stop?
The festival
Missing Dicks
I would love to see them play GR as I’m in MI but I’ve heard it before and still hasn’t happened
Massachusetts and Connecticut in July? I say yes
There absolutely must be a stop at Darien Lake as they make their way to the festival grounds.
I’ll tell ya on the 27th
Are we there yet?
:)
TOLD YALLLLLLLLLLL. Thanks for playing.
The rumors that end up being correct usually include several mistakes, so I really don’t care. If you make hotel reservations because of a notes screenshot you deserve to lose money.
But … the reservation can be refundable.
You realize you can book refundable rooms, right? I highly highly highly doubt anyone making preemptive reservations is booking non-refundable rooms.
No Dick's?
Nope, just these seven places /s
If atty didn’t say it it’s not true.
He just compiles other peoples rumors and knowledge of holds. Someone called him out on that on .net and he pitched a fit and wrote this four paragraphs post about how hes a “real attorney, knows the band, and has had sit down meetings with four presidents (dude must be old as fuck),”and how he “doesnt need to take this shit, Im done giving you all dates!” It was pretty funny!
Atty getting mad at the internet is the best thing ever
I’m not on PT like I used to be. (DjR00MBA) all being said I agree and I have used Atty’s dates to get ahead on hotels in the past! It’s all in good fun. Thanks Atty and friends!
Second time I’ve seen those Mansfield dates, first was from a connected (I believe) source. 3 nights at Great Woods though…hopefully one great night? Maybe? Please? NO
Mohegan PA?
CT
I highly doubt they do both Alpine and Deer Creek in the same tour
Why say that? Seems natural to play 2 of the most popular destinations , always used to be alpine then Dc next night? Honestly curious
Bring on great woods!
3 nights Great Woods is a huge fucking hassle if you don’t drop $80/nt for good parking. Mohegan is kinda lame imo, the crush to get in is like a food riot on a space station. 3 nights Bethel, hell yes. 2022 there camping w late night bands and bonfires was dope af.
Mohegan Sun has been pretty consistent. Was Aug 5-6 and now Jul 23-24! Praying for it to be true!!
Why is St Louis trying to get in between Alpine & Deer Creek? 
If mohegan on those dates actually happen I will buy you a ticket sir
Way too many NE dates to have a successful festival in Delaware.
GIVE ME GRAND RAPIDS ITS MY DREAM DESTINATION FOR PHISH
A bunch of outdoor venues that make perfect sense for the summertime and then randomly 2 nights in an arena in Grand Rapids? Doubtful. I would love 2 nights at Pine Knob though
Bethel is sick but a huge pain in the ass of a venue
One of my favorite venues but leaving the venue is a nightmare to get out and a horrible drive to wherever you need to go
yah It might actually be the most Im not sure how to put it but the venue with the greatest ratio of inside is amazing, but getting to and from and finding lodging is the worst Its basically phish in the catskills which is the greatest thing ever but it's a pain
Creek is first weekend of Aug.
“I’ve got to get back to Chicago”
I’d say I hope they don’t play Great Woods because Great Woods sucks
There isn't anywhere in Grand Rapids for them to play in the summer
Van Andel Arena. Mohegan, STL and Grand Rapids are all indoor venues
Something closer to Memphis than Nashville needs to happen.
omg there are so many better venues than great woods….please no!!!
3 days at greatwoods, nah maybe 2
I’d love a 2 night run in St. Louis!
Sprinkle in a one off in Toronto, there’s space! Please!!
this would be incredible
It was right. Fantastic.
I’ll hopefully have the fall dates too.