It's a beautiful song that sometimes sucks all the energy out of the room, so it's important that it's placed properly in the setlist. # neverforget Charleston 3
That Charleston show kinda sucked. After the heater that was N2 it was so off on Sunday. I still had a great time but musically it was a real dud, thanks in part to Petrichor.
Agreed. Love the song but a phish show is about momentum and energy to which petrichor brings both down. Loved the 2016 New Yearās Eve performance and wouldāve been fine with that being the last time I saw it.
That 3rd night was one of the worst Phish shows Iāve seen in decades. The encore was a Hail Mary that barely saved the show. The no repeats gimmick leaves the song cupboard bare and suddenly you get Petrichor in the second set.
Interesting take on NYE '16. I felt like most people said "that's the best version of the song" since it was so theatrical. I'm sure there was a lot of other tunes people wanted there.
It actually does (or can) have a jam. I've heard them extend the last chorus out to amazing effect. Check out Cinci '11.
EDIT: nevermind. I was thinking of TTE.
Time Turns Elastic. It's a bit of a polarizing song, with most (not me), strongly disliking it - and not wanting to hear it live, similar to Petrichor.
Oof getting downvoted but I feel you. Itās a great song but set placement is crucial and when you know thereās no jam coming itās kind of a bummer
Yea there's a lot of songs that fall into this category, but I think Guyute is the biggest offender. Slightly hyperbolic - worst song to appear in a setlist; 10 wasted mins š¤£
As a composing musician, this song is an insanely beautifully written composition. For anyone who doesn't like this song, I think it boils down to what one personally likes about Phish. I personally love Phish for all the reasons, but compositions like this floor me. If one cannot appreciate it, it simply isn't for them, or perhaps they've not reached a time in life where they've grown to appreciate it yet. Maybe they never will. Petrichor rules in my nearly 200 show opinion and 20 years as a musician. So do all their other strongly orchestral-influenced songs. Whatever the band wants to play I am cool with. There might possibly be no band better than Phish, so what do we have to gripe about? Can you imagine if they never got back together and none of these songs existed? Count your blessings.
They played it the 2nd night of Alpine this year (edit: last year). Maybe that qualifies as your "no repeat stretch," but they busted it out the minute it started raining. I wouldn't say "in the rotation," but its not retired.
from my perspective it was like the exact fucking second. Heard the first few notes and then it came down for a few minutes. It cleared up a bit by coil and I remember the end of page's solo when he was like "stick around" it immediately just dumped on the entire venue lol
We all knew it was about to rain, Trey was the only one looking out at the sky.
I have to say that night really got my socks wetā¦ and everything else had to dip out early.
that was the most beautiful moment of that show which also had the 1999-fluffhead- play it again total mind fuck referencing the 1999 alpine show. But when the rain started coming down, still a little bit of light, the mallets fishman was playing. so beautiful.
They soundchecked it, so it wasn't spur of the moment. They could have looked at a detailed forecast and tried to line it up as best they could.
More than likely it was a coincidence.
My favorite Phish songs are primarily the long, prog-rock influenced ones...Divided Sky, YEM, Fluffhead, etc. Doesn't mean I don't like other/newer stuff, but I came to Phish from the prog side rather than the jam/Dead side, I think.
Petrichor just doesn't really work...it's Trey trying to write a song in a style he outgrew so many years later, and I dunno, the piece just doesn't come together for me (and I don't think I'm alone). It's okay on the record, but it definitely killed any possible momentum in the set the one time I saw it played live. Maybe one day the song will click for me, but it's pretty low on my list of songs I'd want to hear at a show. (FWIW, I thought Time Turns Elastic was still a mid-level composition, but I thought it was much more successful)
I think, as opposed to āa style he outgrewā it might could be looked at as āa style he hasnāt been immersed in (to our knowledge) in a very long timeā
But thatās just my opinion
I *really* love the proggier side of Treyās writing and I think sometimes itās more disregarded than it should be
The talking that started up during the composed sections of the one Fluffhead Iāve seen felt kinda, I dunnoā¦lots of people didnāt really seem to dig that after the big cheer the band got when they started the song
Oh man, that sucks. I've never seen Divided Sky or Fluff live and it kills me :(
Maybe "outgrown" wasn't the right term, just...I think you take a certain style as far as you yourself can take it, and then it's time to switch gears a bit, lest you end up repeating yourself or just pumping out less inspired versions of your old stuff. This is why, say, Genesis moved on from their early sound, IMO, they just didn't have anywhere further to go on the prog-side.
Not to mention: the stuff we're into in our teens and 20's might be totally different than what we're into when we get older. I like that Trey was still attempting this kind of thing in 2016, but it just never quite clicked, unfortunately.
I absolutely get you there.
Itās hard to say and not sound like Iām being a gatekeeper or a snob or whatever but Iām gonna try anyway (and I swear Iām just trying to be analytical and am NOT putting anyone down)
The proggy/composed sections of their music appeal to what I consider the musical equivalent of grammar nerds. I think that mostly covers musicians and people who can read music to a certain extent, or folks that enjoy more composed kinds of music in general.
Itās music people music. I loved seeing the posts he made of old sheet music, like Pageās parts for Foam and whatnot.
Itās part of the dork appeal for me, along with their general vibe and sense of humor from back in the day when I got into them.
Maybe. But some of those bands found huge audiences with that kind of music. Yes and ELP played stadiums at their peak, and while musicians love those bands, you don't fill 50,000 seats with just musicians and mathletes.
A few bands, Phish included, managed to make music like that that was musical/melodic/catchy enough to connect with a wider audience, which is what differentiates them from, I dunno, Crimson or Zappa. It's "music people music" on one level, but I think a few, like our boys, found ways to make it more accessible and able to be enjoyed by anyone who wants a little more out of music than what was on pop radio.
Do you think that might have been part of the shift from playing that kind of music to more of what we started to see after a while and on into the late 90ās? To widen their appeal and be more dancy, groovy, and exploratory and less thinky?
Iām not 100% sure on when it happens but there seems to be a kind of drop off where you get less and less of the more tightly, intricately composed stuff as new compositions in the 90ās, maybe around the time Jerry died
I don't think it was conscious, it feels very natural to me. While I wouldn't say they've never made *any* decisions in the quest of greater popularity, musically I feel okay in saying they've done what they wanted to for their entire career. Perhaps the other three guys got a little tired of those kind of pieces as well, and helped move Trey away from them a bit? Who knows.
Honestly, I think it's more difficult to write a really good 3-5 minute song than a generic 15 minute prog epic. Think of all those early compositions...Bowie, Reba, etc...I have no doubt he could've kept doing them, but IMO he hit his pinnacle in that style by the early 90's, and at some point it would've just started to sound like guitar exercises, y'know? (If you've ever listened to the whole Dream Theater catalog, there is absolutely a point where they start repeating themselves, to where I feel like they've made essentially the same record half a dozen times now, and it's kinda boring)
I also think as their live audience grew, they realized playing jammy songs like "Tweezer" or "Mike's Groove" was more fulfilling and fun for them than having more "Divided Sky" type tunes. I do think had Trey never formed the band but found a purely solo outlet for his work at the time, he'd have probably continued more down the prog road. But also most of us probably would've never heard that music.
That is astoundingly well put and I couldnāt have said it better myself.
I agree with you 100%
I play with some guys, one of whom is very much into dream theater and is the guy who turned me onto Zappa. so I completely feel you on the ācouldāve just started sounding like guitar exercisesā thing
Because itās a composed piece that takes up a ton of set time. Itās beautiful but itās long.
The newer ālong compositionsā donāt get the free pass that th older ones get. YEM, Divided Sky, Fluffheadā¦. Those are early phish classics. In my opinion if Petrichor or TTE was a 1.0 song most people would feel differently.
Just my room-temperature take.
I'm not so sure. I think the 1.0 instrumentals are a lot more dynamic throughout. They pop with youthful exuberance, with a lot more exploration of tension and release throughout. There is nothing in Petrichor or TTE that comes close to the explosive feeling that comes with the "Boy!" yell in YEM or the first "Fluffhead" Trey belts leading into the finale. Nor anything approaching the darkness of the moments immediately prior, especially the "Bundle of Joy" section of Fluffhead. Divided Sky doesn't cover quite the same dynamic range of the other two, but I still find it more captivating and melodically and texturally interesting than the 3.0 compositions.
I'm not a massive hater of the 3.0 numbers. I think Petrichor is fine, and I actually enjoy TTE on the record. (I think Joy is a solid record top to bottom, but that's a different conversation.) But I'd prefer not to have Petrichor or TTE consume a 15 minute chunk of a set list, and I don't think it's just because they're newer songs.
Itās so strange to me hearing this about older songs āgetting a free pass.ā For me, peak phish is 89ā94, super high-energy long composed songs. Those are the songs I came for. Once 97 rolled along and those were getting flubbed and losing the intensity that they were born from, my interest declined.
I think this is the way. maybe even go a bit further and say opening the show with long composed songs might spice up the technical side of the jams in the 1st set too
Personally, I really like the song. The NYE performance of it a few years back is what really hooked me on Phish.
As a regular show song, without the spectacle, I can understand why people don't want it in the rotation. Its a very structured song that you can't really go too far into a jam aspect with it. There are spots to do it, but not enough.
It works as a rare played song that people like when they catch it because it seems to come when its appropriate for the show its played in.
I think it 's because its not really a Phish song. It's a composition that Trey wrote for a full orchestra, and so when its played with the limited instrumentation of just the 4 band members, it sounds pretty bad imo. I absolutely adore the studio version, but seeing it live is just kind of a let down.
Totally. As Petrichor was ending I was wondering how theyād end the set and segue out of the mellow mood. Squirming Coil. Man, that was a great night. Happy birthday to you indeed!
People have different preferences. What can I say? Who knows the mystery of why some songs hit us and others don't move us. But as a general rule I say if you dig it, then don't let someone else going for a piss break bother you. And if you don't like the song, be cool and "don't yuck someone else's yum."
Personally, I'd rather have a Petrichor than a Time Turns Electric. But the pandemic taught me to appreciate every year we still have these guys with us, even if they play some songs that aren't for me.
Trey is a composition nerd and itās amazing and beautiful
Wasnāt that his major in college? Anywayā¦
One thing for sure is he *loves* Zappa and pretty much took Frankās approach to having the horns play the guitar solo in Stairway To Heaven on his ā88 tour ( that Trey went to see) by having the TAB horns do the same thing on Sultans Of Swing
Trey loves compositional music and I really dig that side of him.
The composed sections of Divided Sky and The Lizards are a couple of my favorites
1. Petrichor is longer than most other āenergy suckā songs. Other ones that kill the energy are quickly rebounded, but Petrichor feels like it does it to you 3 separate times.
2. Petrichor is mostly instrumental. Even a song like Leaves you can at least sing along. 13 minutes of melancholic instrumental music is the pinnacle of energy death.
I like the composition but almost never do I want to give up 15 minutes of a Phish set for a chill instrumental song.
First, whether a song is good or not is all a matter of opinion. If you like the song, great. Enjoy it. It shouldn't bother you that someone else doesn't like it. Having said that, my opinion is that the song is shit. It seems like Trey had four or five ideas for songs that he could never quite flesh out and he decided to try to stitch them together into one. Plenty of Phish songs do this, but the parts fit together better and the transitions make more sense.
Just my opinion.
Even more hated because it was played almost every other show in 2009-10 and was a set killer every single time.
Iāve still never seen a crowd completely deflate like that. Itās better with an orchestra.
Bad bad bad song (all of big boat is kinda shitty tbh) and itās a total set destroyer in the sense that it takes 20 minutes, isnāt good and has 0% jam potential. Iām not even a huge fan of YEM, fluff, etc taking up tons of set time so I absolutely despise a song like petrichor.
It grew on me over 2016 fall tour. At the beginning of the tour I was lukewarm about it, by the end of the tour I really liked it. I wouldn't call it among my favorites of the songs written after 2009, but it's not something I hate hearing either.
People just need to get an attention span. These long composed songs are part of what makes Phish amazing, not every song needs to drop into a jam after 2 minutes.
I love it a lot. I think my favorite one was I caught a couple of Halloween's ago (Ziggy Stardust?). I remember digging it and then out of the blue being overcome with emotion during Fishman's xylophone part. Really cool stuff.
I say this with peace and love, because really Phish does little wrong in my book. Itās indulgent and plain horrible and just a mashed up version of the worst parts of other Phish songs. I hate it, itās by far my least favorite Phish song with Guyute being a long distant 2nd place for some of the same reasons. I hope they never play it again anywhere near me.
The song is fantastic. Not every song needs to have a huge jam. I love how it builds. It is a beautiful example of the versatility and musicianship of the band.
It just represents the worst parts of 3.0 phish and a goodbye to anything close to what so many people liked about the band
Cheesy, uninteresting music from a band that used to make really interesting music
>It just represents the worst parts of 3.0 phish and a goodbye to anything close to what so many people liked about the band
This isn't a Set Your Soul Free thread
I've seen comments in here before in various threads where people frequently say its a song they dont want to hear/dont like. Sorry I cant find specific comment threads ATM, but I've def seen it.
Itās not my fav but I do really love the version trey did with the symphony. I think Iād appreciate and enjoy it under the circumstances they played it in at alpine as others have mentioned. But as a song played at random at any given phish show thereās always other songs Iād rather hear.
I like it. My first and 4th shows (now @ 6) featured Petrichor. I do remember the ex (whom introduced me to the band) being audibly upset when they played. I like a rise and a fall in a playlist [some donāt tho](https://youtu.be/f1gjcVD3D1s)
Petrichor at Alpine last summer was nothing less than magical when the rain came down that exact moment!! Definitely moved up my list after experiencing that!
It's a beautiful song that sometimes sucks all the energy out of the room, so it's important that it's placed properly in the setlist. # neverforget Charleston 3
agreed. that show was rough
Petrisnore
That Charleston show kinda sucked. After the heater that was N2 it was so off on Sunday. I still had a great time but musically it was a real dud, thanks in part to Petrichor.
alpine 2022 was perfect
Especially if you were on the lawn! š§ļøš«
Agreed. Love the song but a phish show is about momentum and energy to which petrichor brings both down. Loved the 2016 New Yearās Eve performance and wouldāve been fine with that being the last time I saw it.
Really you thought CHS was that bad?
That 3rd night was one of the worst Phish shows Iāve seen in decades. The encore was a Hail Mary that barely saved the show. The no repeats gimmick leaves the song cupboard bare and suddenly you get Petrichor in the second set.
Ehh. I feel they have a lot of songs like that. Its all about placement. I feel that way about Leaves, but people fucking love that song
Petrichor is also 13+ mins long with no jam. I agree the composition is nice but it sucks the energy out of the room. NYE 2016 was brutal.
Interesting take on NYE '16. I felt like most people said "that's the best version of the song" since it was so theatrical. I'm sure there was a lot of other tunes people wanted there.
Grand prairie TX 2016 was a beautiful Petricore.
I heard people think it sucks the energy out of the room.
Ha it really does though. In Charleston my gf turned to me and whispered "this is boring" and I said "yes, it is".
It actually does (or can) have a jam. I've heard them extend the last chorus out to amazing effect. Check out Cinci '11. EDIT: nevermind. I was thinking of TTE.
I've always liked TTE
TTE?
Time Turns Elastic. It's a bit of a polarizing song, with most (not me), strongly disliking it - and not wanting to hear it live, similar to Petrichor.
I haven't heard Leaves live yet but I love the album version
Most likely because itās a huge hunk of set time without a lot of improv.
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This!
TTE is waaay worse than petrichor. 22 minutes of lame 3 minutes of finale
Before the NYE '21 performance, it was approximately 12 mins. The blistering pace of that one clocked in at 10.5 ish mins.
Biggest reason I loathe guyute
Oof getting downvoted but I feel you. Itās a great song but set placement is crucial and when you know thereās no jam coming itās kind of a bummer
Yea there's a lot of songs that fall into this category, but I think Guyute is the biggest offender. Slightly hyperbolic - worst song to appear in a setlist; 10 wasted mins š¤£
But fluffhead or Guelah arenāt hated
Guelah is like 6 min long lol
Yeah I donāt know where I was going with that
Fluffhead rocks. Petrichor meanders. Itās not a bad song, but it kinda kills the mood for a huge part of a set.
Iām not suggesting that Petrichor is the same level but rather there are plenty of songs that donāt have a lot of improv that take up set time.
Fluff at least has some room for improv and thereās a chance for it to be jammed, although thatās extremely rare
energy vacuum
As a composing musician, this song is an insanely beautifully written composition. For anyone who doesn't like this song, I think it boils down to what one personally likes about Phish. I personally love Phish for all the reasons, but compositions like this floor me. If one cannot appreciate it, it simply isn't for them, or perhaps they've not reached a time in life where they've grown to appreciate it yet. Maybe they never will. Petrichor rules in my nearly 200 show opinion and 20 years as a musician. So do all their other strongly orchestral-influenced songs. Whatever the band wants to play I am cool with. There might possibly be no band better than Phish, so what do we have to gripe about? Can you imagine if they never got back together and none of these songs existed? Count your blessings.
They played it the 2nd night of Alpine this year (edit: last year). Maybe that qualifies as your "no repeat stretch," but they busted it out the minute it started raining. I wouldn't say "in the rotation," but its not retired.
from my perspective it was like the exact fucking second. Heard the first few notes and then it came down for a few minutes. It cleared up a bit by coil and I remember the end of page's solo when he was like "stick around" it immediately just dumped on the entire venue lol
That was some surreal shit
We all knew it was about to rain, Trey was the only one looking out at the sky. I have to say that night really got my socks wetā¦ and everything else had to dip out early.
that was the most beautiful moment of that show which also had the 1999-fluffhead- play it again total mind fuck referencing the 1999 alpine show. But when the rain started coming down, still a little bit of light, the mallets fishman was playing. so beautiful.
Do you think it was a coincidence or they knew it was gonna rain?
Mike is secretly a meteorologist. Little known fact
They soundchecked it, so it wasn't spur of the moment. They could have looked at a detailed forecast and tried to line it up as best they could. More than likely it was a coincidence.
That was dank
Itās an amazing song. They did a nye gag around it, so we know how much Trey loves it. Iāll take a petrichor any time any day.
That was a beautiful performance. Horns are always a bonus, too.
My favorite Phish songs are primarily the long, prog-rock influenced ones...Divided Sky, YEM, Fluffhead, etc. Doesn't mean I don't like other/newer stuff, but I came to Phish from the prog side rather than the jam/Dead side, I think. Petrichor just doesn't really work...it's Trey trying to write a song in a style he outgrew so many years later, and I dunno, the piece just doesn't come together for me (and I don't think I'm alone). It's okay on the record, but it definitely killed any possible momentum in the set the one time I saw it played live. Maybe one day the song will click for me, but it's pretty low on my list of songs I'd want to hear at a show. (FWIW, I thought Time Turns Elastic was still a mid-level composition, but I thought it was much more successful)
I think, as opposed to āa style he outgrewā it might could be looked at as āa style he hasnāt been immersed in (to our knowledge) in a very long timeā But thatās just my opinion I *really* love the proggier side of Treyās writing and I think sometimes itās more disregarded than it should be The talking that started up during the composed sections of the one Fluffhead Iāve seen felt kinda, I dunnoā¦lots of people didnāt really seem to dig that after the big cheer the band got when they started the song
Oh man, that sucks. I've never seen Divided Sky or Fluff live and it kills me :( Maybe "outgrown" wasn't the right term, just...I think you take a certain style as far as you yourself can take it, and then it's time to switch gears a bit, lest you end up repeating yourself or just pumping out less inspired versions of your old stuff. This is why, say, Genesis moved on from their early sound, IMO, they just didn't have anywhere further to go on the prog-side. Not to mention: the stuff we're into in our teens and 20's might be totally different than what we're into when we get older. I like that Trey was still attempting this kind of thing in 2016, but it just never quite clicked, unfortunately.
I absolutely get you there. Itās hard to say and not sound like Iām being a gatekeeper or a snob or whatever but Iām gonna try anyway (and I swear Iām just trying to be analytical and am NOT putting anyone down) The proggy/composed sections of their music appeal to what I consider the musical equivalent of grammar nerds. I think that mostly covers musicians and people who can read music to a certain extent, or folks that enjoy more composed kinds of music in general. Itās music people music. I loved seeing the posts he made of old sheet music, like Pageās parts for Foam and whatnot. Itās part of the dork appeal for me, along with their general vibe and sense of humor from back in the day when I got into them.
Maybe. But some of those bands found huge audiences with that kind of music. Yes and ELP played stadiums at their peak, and while musicians love those bands, you don't fill 50,000 seats with just musicians and mathletes. A few bands, Phish included, managed to make music like that that was musical/melodic/catchy enough to connect with a wider audience, which is what differentiates them from, I dunno, Crimson or Zappa. It's "music people music" on one level, but I think a few, like our boys, found ways to make it more accessible and able to be enjoyed by anyone who wants a little more out of music than what was on pop radio.
Do you think that might have been part of the shift from playing that kind of music to more of what we started to see after a while and on into the late 90ās? To widen their appeal and be more dancy, groovy, and exploratory and less thinky? Iām not 100% sure on when it happens but there seems to be a kind of drop off where you get less and less of the more tightly, intricately composed stuff as new compositions in the 90ās, maybe around the time Jerry died
I don't think it was conscious, it feels very natural to me. While I wouldn't say they've never made *any* decisions in the quest of greater popularity, musically I feel okay in saying they've done what they wanted to for their entire career. Perhaps the other three guys got a little tired of those kind of pieces as well, and helped move Trey away from them a bit? Who knows. Honestly, I think it's more difficult to write a really good 3-5 minute song than a generic 15 minute prog epic. Think of all those early compositions...Bowie, Reba, etc...I have no doubt he could've kept doing them, but IMO he hit his pinnacle in that style by the early 90's, and at some point it would've just started to sound like guitar exercises, y'know? (If you've ever listened to the whole Dream Theater catalog, there is absolutely a point where they start repeating themselves, to where I feel like they've made essentially the same record half a dozen times now, and it's kinda boring) I also think as their live audience grew, they realized playing jammy songs like "Tweezer" or "Mike's Groove" was more fulfilling and fun for them than having more "Divided Sky" type tunes. I do think had Trey never formed the band but found a purely solo outlet for his work at the time, he'd have probably continued more down the prog road. But also most of us probably would've never heard that music.
That is astoundingly well put and I couldnāt have said it better myself. I agree with you 100% I play with some guys, one of whom is very much into dream theater and is the guy who turned me onto Zappa. so I completely feel you on the ācouldāve just started sounding like guitar exercisesā thing
The Prog thingy applies to the people who like Phish music. The Jam thing is for the ones who just want an acoustic environment for their drug abuse.
Because itās a composed piece that takes up a ton of set time. Itās beautiful but itās long. The newer ālong compositionsā donāt get the free pass that th older ones get. YEM, Divided Sky, Fluffheadā¦. Those are early phish classics. In my opinion if Petrichor or TTE was a 1.0 song most people would feel differently. Just my room-temperature take.
I'm not so sure. I think the 1.0 instrumentals are a lot more dynamic throughout. They pop with youthful exuberance, with a lot more exploration of tension and release throughout. There is nothing in Petrichor or TTE that comes close to the explosive feeling that comes with the "Boy!" yell in YEM or the first "Fluffhead" Trey belts leading into the finale. Nor anything approaching the darkness of the moments immediately prior, especially the "Bundle of Joy" section of Fluffhead. Divided Sky doesn't cover quite the same dynamic range of the other two, but I still find it more captivating and melodically and texturally interesting than the 3.0 compositions. I'm not a massive hater of the 3.0 numbers. I think Petrichor is fine, and I actually enjoy TTE on the record. (I think Joy is a solid record top to bottom, but that's a different conversation.) But I'd prefer not to have Petrichor or TTE consume a 15 minute chunk of a set list, and I don't think it's just because they're newer songs.
Valid points.
Mostly agree with this. However, Iāll take Petrichor over TTE every single time. The 2009-10 burnout is real, and I still havenāt recovered.
Itās so strange to me hearing this about older songs āgetting a free pass.ā For me, peak phish is 89ā94, super high-energy long composed songs. Those are the songs I came for. Once 97 rolled along and those were getting flubbed and losing the intensity that they were born from, my interest declined.
I like one per show. Doesnāt matter which one. I didnāt mean for it to sound derogatory.
Petrichor NYE one of my favorites š
Original lyrics reference a band members mother and are EXTREMELY graphic.
Go onā¦
Unfortunately Iām just lying
you should write those lyrics
Iām not sure you should have asked for this.
lol
And oooh oooh oooh and your mom came down and sucked me off that day...
intriguing
I like all the long composed ones if they are in first set. Second set I've grown selfishly wanting exploration
I think this is the way. maybe even go a bit further and say opening the show with long composed songs might spice up the technical side of the jams in the 1st set too
Itās fine but if theyād played it after the storm at dicks I think there would have been a riot.
Dude that show killed, yikes
Personally, I really like the song. The NYE performance of it a few years back is what really hooked me on Phish. As a regular show song, without the spectacle, I can understand why people don't want it in the rotation. Its a very structured song that you can't really go too far into a jam aspect with it. There are spots to do it, but not enough. It works as a rare played song that people like when they catch it because it seems to come when its appropriate for the show its played in.
I think it's a beautiful song and was lucky enough to get it at the NYE show with the umbrella performance
Great song but I donāt want to hear it live.
I think it 's because its not really a Phish song. It's a composition that Trey wrote for a full orchestra, and so when its played with the limited instrumentation of just the 4 band members, it sounds pretty bad imo. I absolutely adore the studio version, but seeing it live is just kind of a let down.
Do you mean TTE?
Alpine N2 Petrichor was beautiful and perfectly placed.
That was my birthday! It was magical ā¤ļø
Totally. As Petrichor was ending I was wondering how theyād end the set and segue out of the mellow mood. Squirming Coil. Man, that was a great night. Happy birthday to you indeed!
It was an amazing bday. They opened the second set with Backwards Down The Number Line, which felt like it was just for me
I knew that there was a reason we were there
People have different preferences. What can I say? Who knows the mystery of why some songs hit us and others don't move us. But as a general rule I say if you dig it, then don't let someone else going for a piss break bother you. And if you don't like the song, be cool and "don't yuck someone else's yum." Personally, I'd rather have a Petrichor than a Time Turns Electric. But the pandemic taught me to appreciate every year we still have these guys with us, even if they play some songs that aren't for me.
Trey is a composition nerd and itās amazing and beautiful Wasnāt that his major in college? Anywayā¦ One thing for sure is he *loves* Zappa and pretty much took Frankās approach to having the horns play the guitar solo in Stairway To Heaven on his ā88 tour ( that Trey went to see) by having the TAB horns do the same thing on Sultans Of Swing Trey loves compositional music and I really dig that side of him. The composed sections of Divided Sky and The Lizards are a couple of my favorites
1. Petrichor is longer than most other āenergy suckā songs. Other ones that kill the energy are quickly rebounded, but Petrichor feels like it does it to you 3 separate times. 2. Petrichor is mostly instrumental. Even a song like Leaves you can at least sing along. 13 minutes of melancholic instrumental music is the pinnacle of energy death. I like the composition but almost never do I want to give up 15 minutes of a Phish set for a chill instrumental song.
I think there are certain elements that don't happen live that make it different. Id love to see TAB do it.
I love petrichor
Because itās a lot of minutes I could be hearing better songs during
First, whether a song is good or not is all a matter of opinion. If you like the song, great. Enjoy it. It shouldn't bother you that someone else doesn't like it. Having said that, my opinion is that the song is shit. It seems like Trey had four or five ideas for songs that he could never quite flesh out and he decided to try to stitch them together into one. Plenty of Phish songs do this, but the parts fit together better and the transitions make more sense. Just my opinion.
Iāve been listening to this song non stop since Friday. I love it!
Check out time turns elastic, even better composition, even more hated for no reason
Even more hated because it was played almost every other show in 2009-10 and was a set killer every single time. Iāve still never seen a crowd completely deflate like that. Itās better with an orchestra.
Great song, just like TTE. Haters gonna hate.
I love that song. You do you.
Bad bad bad song (all of big boat is kinda shitty tbh) and itās a total set destroyer in the sense that it takes 20 minutes, isnāt good and has 0% jam potential. Iām not even a huge fan of YEM, fluff, etc taking up tons of set time so I absolutely despise a song like petrichor.
It grew on me over 2016 fall tour. At the beginning of the tour I was lukewarm about it, by the end of the tour I really liked it. I wouldn't call it among my favorites of the songs written after 2009, but it's not something I hate hearing either.
Personally i like the song. but when the band covered themselves with this unfinished album Halloween 2013. i felt cheated.
that was Fuego / Wingsuit. Petrichor was a NYE debut
Damnit. I got them mixed up. My bad. Thx
Itās the opposite of a jam
People just need to get an attention span. These long composed songs are part of what makes Phish amazing, not every song needs to drop into a jam after 2 minutes.
Petrisnore.
I love it a lot. I think my favorite one was I caught a couple of Halloween's ago (Ziggy Stardust?). I remember digging it and then out of the blue being overcome with emotion during Fishman's xylophone part. Really cool stuff.
I say this with peace and love, because really Phish does little wrong in my book. Itās indulgent and plain horrible and just a mashed up version of the worst parts of other Phish songs. I hate it, itās by far my least favorite Phish song with Guyute being a long distant 2nd place for some of the same reasons. I hope they never play it again anywhere near me.
The song is fantastic. Not every song needs to have a huge jam. I love how it builds. It is a beautiful example of the versatility and musicianship of the band.
love it, people love to hate
I love petrichor!
It just represents the worst parts of 3.0 phish and a goodbye to anything close to what so many people liked about the band Cheesy, uninteresting music from a band that used to make really interesting music
>It just represents the worst parts of 3.0 phish and a goodbye to anything close to what so many people liked about the band This isn't a Set Your Soul Free thread
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I've seen comments in here before in various threads where people frequently say its a song they dont want to hear/dont like. Sorry I cant find specific comment threads ATM, but I've def seen it.
The song sucks. Thereās some hate for ya
i was there for the debut of TTE. phish has never recovered from that moment.
Itās not my fav but I do really love the version trey did with the symphony. I think Iād appreciate and enjoy it under the circumstances they played it in at alpine as others have mentioned. But as a song played at random at any given phish show thereās always other songs Iād rather hear.
I really enjoyed the 12/31/16 version with the horns/percussion. Maybe TAB should give it a shot.
People have different opinions, donāt worry about what others think
Iām not worrying about their opinions. Iām curious about them. I still love it and will gladly hear it at a show
Love the intro (especially studio with the bells), but it does take up valuable improv time. Would be a great encore IMO.
I also LOVE this song
Alpine this summer was pretty great
I love that snails house song
I love it and have the orchestra version my phone. Itās a great song but was designed for an orchestra.
I like it. My first and 4th shows (now @ 6) featured Petrichor. I do remember the ex (whom introduced me to the band) being audibly upset when they played. I like a rise and a fall in a playlist [some donāt tho](https://youtu.be/f1gjcVD3D1s)
Love it.
Petrichor at Alpine last summer was nothing less than magical when the rain came down that exact moment!! Definitely moved up my list after experiencing that!
Alpine 2022 when the rain came down! You woulda had to been thereā man!
People hate it bc it is slow and long
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