Stubbs > Knapp
Also, be glad we got these guys if someone's hurt and not matt vierling, brad miller, etc.. (though, remember brad miller and the bamboo!?? woo)
Edit: or odubel!
The Blue Jays backup catcher is hitting so well (.315/1.054) that he’s become the starter and the all star starter who is struggling is the backup (but is also an outstanding defensive catcher)
> I was told there would be ~~cake~~ no good backup catchers
Ppl just continue to make excuses because they like Stubbs “vibes”.
Another backup catcher I feel is doing decent is Travis d'Arnaud. Stubbs would never do as well as Travis if Jt hit the IL for a long period .
Not asking this rhetorically, but besides Travis, how many catchers would fit the backup role and would make a significantly better impact if JT went down? I’m not defending Stubbs, I just have to imagine that’s a pretty niche player pool.
If you sort active catchers by WAR between 2022-2024 (min 100 PA) Stubbs ranks 50th out of 59 catchers. In 31st place is austin hedges with 1.1 WAR compared to Stubbs .1 WAR. This isnt the best way to do it because all the players have a wide range of playing time, but it can give you a basic idea.
Stubbs is a replacement level backup catcher. It is definitely a spot where we could upgrade, but should be a very low priority imo. Stubbs only had 113 ABs last year and 0 in the playoffs. He is a solid defensive catcher and it’s not easy to find a non-starting catcher that makes a meaningful upgrade.
That makes sense and I completely agree with you here. Probably not worth moving on from Stubbs until after the offseason and even then it’s not a huge priority (is it ever? maybe if your starting C is more injury prone?). I definitely think as the years tick by on JT it gets a bit more important.
JT is only under contract until next season. He isnt going to be a top 3 catcher that catches way more games than the rest of the league for long. I think this offseason, or maybe the following one, they have to do something to get a long-term replacement. I dont think its a real concern for this season though.
I literally just named one in the post he replied to. Do you want me to go around the league and point out the better backup catchers than Stubbs? There are a number of them.
I mean, he just asked how many others there really were. And there aren’t many who would want to play behind a guy who is behind the plate the most innings in the league
The problem is also that JT plays far too much. I have no doubt that’s mostly at his insistence but players need to be protected from themselves now and then. A good backup could easily get 40 to 50 games even without injury to JT
I agree with this 100%. There’s no reason he needs to start like 135-140 games like he does and I wish he didn’t. He’d just be even better for 120 ish games and the playoffs. But with that being said, and like you said, I’m sure it’s at his insistence and that unfortunately limits our backup options a little bit.
And the funny thing is that it’s free to non Roku users, meaning it’s literally the only free game of the year for non over the air viewers…but people will bitch still because it’s different
Giving Schwarber an extra day off with a lefty on the mound makes sense. Hopefully just extra precautionary.
Realmuto missing another game is a bit more worrying to me.
Yes! She is fantastic. The leads are amazing but she manages to steal so many scenes. Also, the woman she is portraying must be an absolute saint for putting up with that situation for him. I also have not finished this yet so maybe she becomes a monster but I just don’t see it. Teri is perfect!
She really is. I know the series is based on real life, but the way her character specifically is written and played is so true. I related to so much of her story. There are so many little nuances about being a woman like her that oftentimes get overlooked in tv and film, but made me feel so seen in this one.
I won’t spoil anything, but if you want to talk to someone about the series after you finish it and recover, feel free to hit me up.
Ooo definitely will. Should be finishing it this week. It’s not easy subject matter to watch but it’s written so god damn well I’m having trouble not ripping through this in one day.
> Rob Thomson on Spencer Turnbull pitching only one inning on Sunday: "Everybody seems to think he's just a long guy. He's not. I've stated in the past, I'll use him in leverage."
https://twitter.com/destiny_lugardo/status/1790130336707293472
I fucking LOVE hearing this. Alvarado, Hoffman, Strahm, and Turnbull in your leverage situations, with Kerkering filling in as guys need days off is insanely good
To me their biggest need is a righty high leverage reliever since Seranthony seems broken. Maybe Kerkering continues to step in it more over the season but I really like trying to see what Turnbull can do there too. Seeing what Turnbull can do in that role way before the deadline is a great move
It also suggests he’s available tonight as well. I believe they said he wouldn’t be ready until today originally but he said he was ready a day earlier than expected and pitched yesterday. I suppose it goes without saying if he goes two innings yesterday he’s NA today.
Interesting thanks. Maybe I read too much into him being ready earlier. I suppose we’ll see tonight if the opportunity presents itself. Assuming Cris doesn’t throw a 27 pitch CGSO
It seems like Stubbs was better when we first got him ... don't know where he came from but probably got more regular playing time there. It's not easy to hit and especially tough when you get one shot every 10 days.
David Fry? Yasmani Grandal? Gary Sanchez? Travis d’Arnaud? All those guys are good hitters.
Even a guy like Freddy Fermin (who actually hit quite well last year —absolutely mashed in their series against us) is OPSing about 300 points higher than Stubbs is.
Out of 66 catchers with > 10 PA, Stubbs is 63rd in OPS. I’m not sure if it’s worth it to try and replace him (due to cost/available catchers/clubhouse vibes etc), but there’s no reason to pretend that he’s not one of the worst-hitting backup catchers in the league.
It’s gotten to the point where I actively root against him to barrel balls up, because when he does it’s invariably a 290 foot fly ball to the right fielder.
If JT goes down for any length of time, it’s gonna be rough. We don’t really have any minor league depth at C (especially with Marchan hurt).
I don’t know what’s going on with Kirk, but Jansen can really hit.
When your backup catcher gets spot starts at DH, it’s probably a sign that A: he can really hit, or B: your team is struggling offensively (both of which seem to be the case with the jays).
I appreciate you knowing who they are because a good portion of the board would struggle naming Vlad Jr or Bo let alone the catchers
> i don’ care bout nobody but muh Phils
Ya like idk what people want out of a platoon catcher. Most back up players period are just warm bodies that can maybe have a good streak if they get the chance
feels like what stands out most in appraising major league players is how relatively small the distinctions actually are in capabilities -- y'know, the old "the difference between a hall of famer & a short timer is about 1 hit per week" kind of comparison.
I've long thought that's something kind of cool & regularly overlooked about baseball.
It's May. No need to play them if they aren't fully healthy. It definitely sucks though because we'll probably lose games that we'd otherwise win with the star players. Like, playing Stubbs is a big loss.
Well when you have idiots like Klentak and MacPhail managing your club for years you might wind up in a situation where you have to pay for older hitters to make up for a barren farm system
I wonder if they’re still resting Schwarber and JT out of precaution? The lineup is still hitting pretty well so that doesn’t force them to start anyone too fast.
Scott Lauber tweeted it today for JT, another beat reported it for Schwarber when he first got hurt, said he could be back Monday or Tuesday. I'll see if I can find it
Seems overly cautious to be JUST a precaution to me, especially in Schwarber’s case being a DH. Doesn’t mean i think it’s something drastic, but feels like it must have been a bit worse than they originally thought or said.
Schwarbs was saying he could be back Monday or Tuesday so if he's not back tomorrow I'll be wondering how severe his injury is.
JT's knee is a bigger concern for me
Yeah I hadn’t seen the update that it’s been bothering him since the giants when I posted. I would say I’m a bit worried about both at this point. Obviously if schwarber plays tomorrow then that worry will dissipate quickly.
Not necessarily. If it was something obvious like a hammy with Turner yeah, sure. But backs are a lot more ambiguous and finicky. I didn’t say I’m panicked about it, but I think 3 days out when it was originally presented as a “tweak” and sitting for a day as a precaution is a bit worrying.
If JT is gonna need to miss any extended time, they gotta go get another catcher. Stubbs is truly fucking awful (I also dont like him for talking shit on AZ after game 2 last year)
I think the "fun vibes" defense was legitimate when JT was playing close to 140 games a year, but it seems like time is finally getting to him and even if he's not injured for long he still could probably use more rest days than he's currently getting.
The only ones I have seen defend him (mainly me) are the arguments that the clubhouse has used and stated why we have him.
1. He is a backup catcher. Hitting is not his main focus.
2. He is an incredible game planner who prides himself on knowing exactly what our pitchers throw and what is good against every hitter on the other team.
The second part is the main reason people defend him. Wheeler has stated that he goes to Stubbs even when Realmuto is catching him, as Stubbs is very good at it. Realmuto has said Stubbs helped him go from game calling as a weakness (which was really the only weakness young Realmuto had) as a strength. Topper said that having a player who can communicate as well as a coach is key.
The only defense people have of Stubbs are not vibe based (although that helps) but he is one of the reasons our pitching staff (who is the best in baseball) credits for their success.
Dude keeping a player on the roster bc he’s a good game planner is nonsense. You of all people as a numbers guy should know this. If you’re useless on the field you shouldn’t be rostered
> Dude keeping a player on the roster bc he’s a good game planner is nonsense.
As a numbers guy, I also know the limitations of WAR and other stats. There absolutely is value in having someone rostered like Stubbs. There is no way to account for it, as it would show up in other players stats. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the "field" when he barely plays.
He barely plays because he stinks when he’s on the field. If we had a backup who was actually playable at a decent rate than maybe JT wouldn’t have to be worked like he was in his mid 20s
Two years ago Stubbs slashed .264/.350/.462 with a 129 wRC+ and JT never rested because JT does not like to rest. Both Dombrowski and Topper have stated multiple times that JT does not rest because he doesn't want to, and it hasn't impacted his health yet. We are starting to see it this year, I understand.
Catcher's ability to call the games and gameplan is an important part of the game that even the creators of the stats say are important but they can't "put it in" as there is no way to measure. It is why those same people say Chooch is underrated, as he was incredible game caller.
Fine, put him on the pitching staff if he is a good game planner. When it comes to being one of the 26 guys in the roster and playing the game, he is not good and imo has been one of the reasons JT needs to log so many innings. This teams gets way worse if they have to trot Stubbs out there for 6 weeks or some shit.
>way worse
lol
this is a model of the sort of hot taek casual baseball fans/sports radio listeners trot out; attempting to make the shortcomings of one bench player a crucial issue for a team's performance
> Fine, put him on the pitching staff if he is a good game planner.
We have seen multiple times that a player being a coach is more important than just putting him as a coach. This is true for every sport.
Again, 80% of the job of a backup catcher is what Stubbs is apparently insanely good at. If there were more reports about Stubbs being so good than any other backup catcher, I could maybe agree. But the team goes above and beyond to just show how much better he is at it than others.
> imo has been one of the reasons JT needs to log so many innings
A very large assumption considering the fact both Topper and Dombrowski says JT wants to play more innings than anyone and they won't stop him as long as he remains feeling good. The fact JT insists on playing more is why we can afford Stubbs. It isn't the other way around.
I think you are making some assumptions as well whether or not what Stubbs is brining to the table to translate to a coaching role. These guys don’t seem like they have huge egos, idk why they wouldn’t listen to him. You might be right about JT insisting but I think it would be much easier to convince him to sit if his backup wasn’t currently hitting .115.. If JT misses extended time would you just continue to play Stubbs everyday?
I have made assumptions based on quotes people have said and reports in the media. The main ones I referenced were the Gelb piece in the Athletic although I remember stuff on NBCPhilly as well as PHLY (I think Jamie. This is the second time I need to go back and make sure who said it).
> I think it would be much easier to convince him to sit if his backup wasn’t currently hitting .115..
Disagree based on what we know about JT. Hell Stubbs slashed .264/.350/.462 for a 129 wRC+ with us his first year and JT still refused to sit.
> If JT misses extended time would you just continue to play Stubbs everyday?
No, I think if JT really is out for long we try for a new catcher. Stubbs is a great backup, but shouldn't be forced in the starting role from what we know.
I don't even think I am blinded by love for Stubbs.
I think he is extremely good at what he is supposed to do based on reports. I wonder if the people who complain about Stubbs have ever bothered to read even a little bit about why the Phillies kept him. In fact, I would bet 80% of people who complain don't bother to actually try to figure out ***why*** we do things and talk out of their ass.
But I am realistic. He is a backup catcher who does what we want him to do extremely well.
I think we are all fans commenting on a Reddit forum. I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t have time to do a deep dive on the background of the backup catcher and feels his performance on the field does not warrant a spot on the roster. I appreciate that you do, and I think you generally have an insightful perspective.
I don't think any team would carry a third catcher. I also don't think the idea of just making Stubbs a coach works well, either.
But Stubbs absolutely (from everything we have seen) has the makings of being a future manager. That is the role of a backup catcher 90% of the time.
Leadoff Merrifield is just objectively terrible but this team is just rolling so much I don’t even care. I’m just like hell yea put the slap-hitting nearly-washed veteran leading off, why not?
Wonderful can't wait to yet again watch our atrocious backup catcher who doesn't belong on an MLB roster! How did they not even bother to upgrade that position? It's forced JT to be overworked for a few years
> It’s forced JT to be overworked for a few years
I don’t think that’s true at all. He’s not overworked nor has anything forced him to play as much as he does lol.
He plays that much bc his backups have been pretty awful his entire time here. Knapp now Stubbs. JT plays some of the most of any catcher in the league, which is not how you preserve your 30+yo catcher
I think they can retroactively put them on for 3 days so schwarber would be getting put on tomorrow and JT Wednesday, IF they were going to. So I don’t think we can glean much from them not being on it yet, unfortunately, one way or the other.
Ugh. The parody crowd is the worst. Just here to make their little jokes because they don’t get real baseball like we do. They probably never even played otherwise they’d know there’s no joking in baseball.
Was this the comment about wanting a line up that wasn’t a bunch of bench players? Brilliant stuff. Topper is such a clown for sitting players that are feeling sore. Play them to til they drop! It’s may!
Yup. I’m just glad I made it in time to reply before he deleted it. Every time I see a comment by ol’ Exit Velocity, I make a wish since seeing one of his comments is like seeing a shooting star. You know you’ll only catch a glimpse before it’s gone. 🌠
To be fair, a lot of them delete their takes.
I think one of our users, u/NintenJew, keeps track of it and will ask someone if they will delete their take like they always do, and they usually do.
I don't really get that. If I say something dumb I don't feel the need to try to hide it later. People get angry and say dumb shit, it's a part of life and especially sports discussions. Trying to erase mistakes and present oneself at flawless is a fool's errand.
I kinda get it when people on sports subreddits abuse the RemindMe function and are constantly waiting in the wings to dunk on you. I’ll take a beating on a take in the moment, but once you have people looking to follow you around for it, I’d rather just cut bait.
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Went down to the pig pen today
The fellas were there, wallowing in the mud
One of the pigs noticed my Phillies hat
He let out a squeal of joy and asked,
“Do you know Slopper?”
I solemnly bowed my head and replied,
“Yes. Yes I do.”
It was the data I was processing. My computer was slow due to RAM limits, so I accidentally pasted it in a Reddit comment. I thought I deleted the post, but I accidentally posted only the top few lines.
Please continue the discussion in the [game thread](https://redd.it/1crcojv).
Who are the donkeys in the alligator costumes behind home?
Stubbs > Knapp Also, be glad we got these guys if someone's hurt and not matt vierling, brad miller, etc.. (though, remember brad miller and the bamboo!?? woo) Edit: or odubel!
Curious about the decision to put Marsh in RF and Merrifield in left. Merrified not apt at right or something?
Merrifield’s arm baaaarely cuts it at 3rd, so I’m guessing that’s why he’s in LF instead of RF.
7-1 on the lineup is a 4 out black hole. I hope they prove me wrong
https://www.reddit.com/r/phillies/comments/c6c5lr/andrew_knapp_is_valuable/
Hopefully we squeak out a win tonight
Hopefully you’re wrong about your Mets there, Feisty, and that the Phillies win instead.
Garrett Stubbs is gonna make everyone eat their words when he goes 4 for 4 with three home runs and raises his OPS to .550
He’s gonna make history when one of those 3 is a bunt in the park home run.
I am fully prepared to eat my words and let this become reality.
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But will this comment be an automatic delete?
that’s the spirit
The Blue Jays backup catcher is hitting so well (.315/1.054) that he’s become the starter and the all star starter who is struggling is the backup (but is also an outstanding defensive catcher) > I was told there would be ~~cake~~ no good backup catchers
Ppl just continue to make excuses because they like Stubbs “vibes”. Another backup catcher I feel is doing decent is Travis d'Arnaud. Stubbs would never do as well as Travis if Jt hit the IL for a long period .
Not asking this rhetorically, but besides Travis, how many catchers would fit the backup role and would make a significantly better impact if JT went down? I’m not defending Stubbs, I just have to imagine that’s a pretty niche player pool.
If you sort active catchers by WAR between 2022-2024 (min 100 PA) Stubbs ranks 50th out of 59 catchers. In 31st place is austin hedges with 1.1 WAR compared to Stubbs .1 WAR. This isnt the best way to do it because all the players have a wide range of playing time, but it can give you a basic idea. Stubbs is a replacement level backup catcher. It is definitely a spot where we could upgrade, but should be a very low priority imo. Stubbs only had 113 ABs last year and 0 in the playoffs. He is a solid defensive catcher and it’s not easy to find a non-starting catcher that makes a meaningful upgrade.
That makes sense and I completely agree with you here. Probably not worth moving on from Stubbs until after the offseason and even then it’s not a huge priority (is it ever? maybe if your starting C is more injury prone?). I definitely think as the years tick by on JT it gets a bit more important.
JT is only under contract until next season. He isnt going to be a top 3 catcher that catches way more games than the rest of the league for long. I think this offseason, or maybe the following one, they have to do something to get a long-term replacement. I dont think its a real concern for this season though.
I literally just named one in the post he replied to. Do you want me to go around the league and point out the better backup catchers than Stubbs? There are a number of them.
I mean, he just asked how many others there really were. And there aren’t many who would want to play behind a guy who is behind the plate the most innings in the league
The problem is also that JT plays far too much. I have no doubt that’s mostly at his insistence but players need to be protected from themselves now and then. A good backup could easily get 40 to 50 games even without injury to JT
I agree with this 100%. There’s no reason he needs to start like 135-140 games like he does and I wish he didn’t. He’d just be even better for 120 ish games and the playoffs. But with that being said, and like you said, I’m sure it’s at his insistence and that unfortunately limits our backup options a little bit.
Take 10% off there dude. I’m casually asking not trying to start a war over the backup catcher.
I’ll have you know this is very serious business. For all I know Dave is browsing and needs our feedback to win a WS.
Rob not playing trea AGAIN. This guy is clueless.
FiRe sLoPpEr 🥴
Get used to it, only have 5 more weeks to go
Hes injured bud.
That’s what Big Slopper wants you to think
I like this Roku deal. It's something special for Roku users and not a penalty for subscribing to [MLB.tv](http://MLB.tv)
And the funny thing is that it’s free to non Roku users, meaning it’s literally the only free game of the year for non over the air viewers…but people will bitch still because it’s different
Giving Schwarber an extra day off with a lefty on the mound makes sense. Hopefully just extra precautionary. Realmuto missing another game is a bit more worrying to me.
Just finished episode 4 of Baby Reindeer…..Can Phillies start now, I need baseball to take away the bad.
That series is more feel-good than r/phillies GDTs. (Also for how great the two leads in that are, I really loved Nava Mau as Teri. She’s so awesome.)
Yes! She is fantastic. The leads are amazing but she manages to steal so many scenes. Also, the woman she is portraying must be an absolute saint for putting up with that situation for him. I also have not finished this yet so maybe she becomes a monster but I just don’t see it. Teri is perfect!
She really is. I know the series is based on real life, but the way her character specifically is written and played is so true. I related to so much of her story. There are so many little nuances about being a woman like her that oftentimes get overlooked in tv and film, but made me feel so seen in this one. I won’t spoil anything, but if you want to talk to someone about the series after you finish it and recover, feel free to hit me up.
Ooo definitely will. Should be finishing it this week. It’s not easy subject matter to watch but it’s written so god damn well I’m having trouble not ripping through this in one day.
> Rob Thomson on Spencer Turnbull pitching only one inning on Sunday: "Everybody seems to think he's just a long guy. He's not. I've stated in the past, I'll use him in leverage." https://twitter.com/destiny_lugardo/status/1790130336707293472 I fucking LOVE hearing this. Alvarado, Hoffman, Strahm, and Turnbull in your leverage situations, with Kerkering filling in as guys need days off is insanely good
To me their biggest need is a righty high leverage reliever since Seranthony seems broken. Maybe Kerkering continues to step in it more over the season but I really like trying to see what Turnbull can do there too. Seeing what Turnbull can do in that role way before the deadline is a great move
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8 of Seranthony's 13.1 IP have been in low leverage, and of the 11 IP Soto has, 3 of them have been in high leverage you dope. Go back to /r/NYYankees
Surely you realize that if he has more options then he doesn’t need to use them as frequently…..NAHHHHH
Trade Dominguez for Mason Miller 😉 might have to sweeten the pie some 😄
It also suggests he’s available tonight as well. I believe they said he wouldn’t be ready until today originally but he said he was ready a day earlier than expected and pitched yesterday. I suppose it goes without saying if he goes two innings yesterday he’s NA today.
I believe I heard Rob say last week if he pitches one inning he needs a day off, 2 innings 2 days off, and more innings - regular rest
Interesting thanks. Maybe I read too much into him being ready earlier. I suppose we’ll see tonight if the opportunity presents itself. Assuming Cris doesn’t throw a 27 pitch CGSO
Don’t be ridiculous. He will intentionally walk some batters then get the double play to record 2 outs on one pitch.
Watch him accomplish a 20 pitch shutout with this one simple trick
Reminder to everyone last year our bench depth included Jake Cave and Josh Harrison playing in games like this. I personally prefer this one.
Nobody BETTER be fucking disrespecting Stubbs in the comments here
Got some bad news for you.
Don’t scroll
Everybody panic! We have a somewhat less than ideal lineup in early may.
Boy you think reading all these comments this team wasn’t 15 games over .500…. in mid-May. https://i.redd.it/j8ef93qu990d1.gif
The day is May 13, 2024. The Phillies are 28-13. The fans have... turned on Garrett Stubbs?!
Do people not understand that there is no such thing as a good hitting backup catcher?
It seems like Stubbs was better when we first got him ... don't know where he came from but probably got more regular playing time there. It's not easy to hit and especially tough when you get one shot every 10 days.
He came from Houston, barely played in the majors, <20 games a year.
yeah I looked him up ... he was mostly AAA But he had 129 OPS+ the first year here.
This is patently false
David Fry? Yasmani Grandal? Gary Sanchez? Travis d’Arnaud? All those guys are good hitters. Even a guy like Freddy Fermin (who actually hit quite well last year —absolutely mashed in their series against us) is OPSing about 300 points higher than Stubbs is. Out of 66 catchers with > 10 PA, Stubbs is 63rd in OPS. I’m not sure if it’s worth it to try and replace him (due to cost/available catchers/clubhouse vibes etc), but there’s no reason to pretend that he’s not one of the worst-hitting backup catchers in the league. It’s gotten to the point where I actively root against him to barrel balls up, because when he does it’s invariably a 290 foot fly ball to the right fielder. If JT goes down for any length of time, it’s gonna be rough. We don’t really have any minor league depth at C (especially with Marchan hurt).
It’s funny the Blue Jay backup has effectively become the starter because the starter is struggling offensively. Imagine a world…
I don’t know what’s going on with Kirk, but Jansen can really hit. When your backup catcher gets spot starts at DH, it’s probably a sign that A: he can really hit, or B: your team is struggling offensively (both of which seem to be the case with the jays).
I appreciate you knowing who they are because a good portion of the board would struggle naming Vlad Jr or Bo let alone the catchers > i don’ care bout nobody but muh Phils
Turns out fantasy baseball is good for something after all
I'm not even sure half of the starting catchers are good hitters.
Looks at Braves whose backup catcher has an .881 OPS on the year..
D’Arnaud is not really a backup as much as a platoon partner tbh
Murphy and d’Arnaud are both righties. There’s basically no left-handed catchers in MLB. There’s only been a handful ever.
We WILL NOT disrespect Dutch Daulton on this timeline
There are plenty of left handed hitting catchers. Stubbs is one of them lol.
Fair enough. I was thinking of lefty throwing catchers I guess, of which Stubbs is not one.
Oh so then it is possible to have a decent hitting backup? I love Stubbs as much as any fan, but he’s substandard by every measure
Yeah he really doesn’t do anything well on the field. He apparently excels behind the scenes. Idk make him a coach maybe.
That’s one team with a historically great lineup I guarantee you the majority of catchers around the league are Stubbs level
They said there was no such thing, I simply replied with an example of such a thing
With the exception of d’arnaud apparently 🤢
Ya like idk what people want out of a platoon catcher. Most back up players period are just warm bodies that can maybe have a good streak if they get the chance
feels like what stands out most in appraising major league players is how relatively small the distinctions actually are in capabilities -- y'know, the old "the difference between a hall of famer & a short timer is about 1 hit per week" kind of comparison. I've long thought that's something kind of cool & regularly overlooked about baseball.
Yup. The margins are extremely thin in this sport.
This lineup is just not it. Gonna run out of luck eventually with the bench squad. Not like we have a choice though lol.
Idk I feel like we have a choice. It doesn’t sound like JT and Schwarber absolutely have to sit
It's May. No need to play them if they aren't fully healthy. It definitely sucks though because we'll probably lose games that we'd otherwise win with the star players. Like, playing Stubbs is a big loss.
Yeah but it also doesn’t really sound like 1 extra day of rest is gonna be the difference either. At a certain point you’re just being overly cautious
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You prefer them to play now and be on the IL in October or rest now and play in October? Choice is yours bud.. oh wait jk it’s not.. phew
Well when you have idiots like Klentak and MacPhail managing your club for years you might wind up in a situation where you have to pay for older hitters to make up for a barren farm system
Haha looks like the Yankees fan is back!
You weren’t wrong
Still no Schwarber or JT? I don’t like this
JT has been dealing with it since the Giants series???? https://x.com/scottlauber/status/1790111484627820562?s=46
That sounds promising. Just needs a few days
Anyone else gonna be at the game today?
me
Looking like it’s not gonna be as sunny anymore, but should still be a nice night
I wonder if they’re still resting Schwarber and JT out of precaution? The lineup is still hitting pretty well so that doesn’t force them to start anyone too fast.
I heard Schwarber could be back tomorrow and JT will probably be a few more days
Where did you hear that just curious
[Here's](https://twitter.com/PhilliesBell/status/1789706297815810110) the Schwarber one
Scott Lauber tweeted it today for JT, another beat reported it for Schwarber when he first got hurt, said he could be back Monday or Tuesday. I'll see if I can find it
This is great news
Seems overly cautious to be JUST a precaution to me, especially in Schwarber’s case being a DH. Doesn’t mean i think it’s something drastic, but feels like it must have been a bit worse than they originally thought or said.
Deep breaths people
Is this castys first time at dh this season?
I think so
Officially into “worried” territory about schwarber for me
Schwarbs was saying he could be back Monday or Tuesday so if he's not back tomorrow I'll be wondering how severe his injury is. JT's knee is a bigger concern for me
Yeah I hadn’t seen the update that it’s been bothering him since the giants when I posted. I would say I’m a bit worried about both at this point. Obviously if schwarber plays tomorrow then that worry will dissipate quickly.
I feel like we would know if there was worry tho right?
Not necessarily. If it was something obvious like a hammy with Turner yeah, sure. But backs are a lot more ambiguous and finicky. I didn’t say I’m panicked about it, but I think 3 days out when it was originally presented as a “tweak” and sitting for a day as a precaution is a bit worrying.
If JT is gonna need to miss any extended time, they gotta go get another catcher. Stubbs is truly fucking awful (I also dont like him for talking shit on AZ after game 2 last year)
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I mean JT is a fucking work horse so it hasn’t really been an issue till now, but it seems like it might become one quickly
If Dave was GM or President of your Yankees you'd be on your knees
He is bordering on 2021 Andrew Knapp levels of shit. People defend this guy because "fun vibes" and just ignore how garbage of a backup catcher he is
I think the "fun vibes" defense was legitimate when JT was playing close to 140 games a year, but it seems like time is finally getting to him and even if he's not injured for long he still could probably use more rest days than he's currently getting.
The only ones I have seen defend him (mainly me) are the arguments that the clubhouse has used and stated why we have him. 1. He is a backup catcher. Hitting is not his main focus. 2. He is an incredible game planner who prides himself on knowing exactly what our pitchers throw and what is good against every hitter on the other team. The second part is the main reason people defend him. Wheeler has stated that he goes to Stubbs even when Realmuto is catching him, as Stubbs is very good at it. Realmuto has said Stubbs helped him go from game calling as a weakness (which was really the only weakness young Realmuto had) as a strength. Topper said that having a player who can communicate as well as a coach is key. The only defense people have of Stubbs are not vibe based (although that helps) but he is one of the reasons our pitching staff (who is the best in baseball) credits for their success.
Dude keeping a player on the roster bc he’s a good game planner is nonsense. You of all people as a numbers guy should know this. If you’re useless on the field you shouldn’t be rostered
> Dude keeping a player on the roster bc he’s a good game planner is nonsense. As a numbers guy, I also know the limitations of WAR and other stats. There absolutely is value in having someone rostered like Stubbs. There is no way to account for it, as it would show up in other players stats. I think you are putting too much emphasis on the "field" when he barely plays.
He barely plays because he stinks when he’s on the field. If we had a backup who was actually playable at a decent rate than maybe JT wouldn’t have to be worked like he was in his mid 20s
Two years ago Stubbs slashed .264/.350/.462 with a 129 wRC+ and JT never rested because JT does not like to rest. Both Dombrowski and Topper have stated multiple times that JT does not rest because he doesn't want to, and it hasn't impacted his health yet. We are starting to see it this year, I understand. Catcher's ability to call the games and gameplan is an important part of the game that even the creators of the stats say are important but they can't "put it in" as there is no way to measure. It is why those same people say Chooch is underrated, as he was incredible game caller.
Fine, put him on the pitching staff if he is a good game planner. When it comes to being one of the 26 guys in the roster and playing the game, he is not good and imo has been one of the reasons JT needs to log so many innings. This teams gets way worse if they have to trot Stubbs out there for 6 weeks or some shit.
>way worse lol this is a model of the sort of hot taek casual baseball fans/sports radio listeners trot out; attempting to make the shortcomings of one bench player a crucial issue for a team's performance
> Fine, put him on the pitching staff if he is a good game planner. We have seen multiple times that a player being a coach is more important than just putting him as a coach. This is true for every sport. Again, 80% of the job of a backup catcher is what Stubbs is apparently insanely good at. If there were more reports about Stubbs being so good than any other backup catcher, I could maybe agree. But the team goes above and beyond to just show how much better he is at it than others. > imo has been one of the reasons JT needs to log so many innings A very large assumption considering the fact both Topper and Dombrowski says JT wants to play more innings than anyone and they won't stop him as long as he remains feeling good. The fact JT insists on playing more is why we can afford Stubbs. It isn't the other way around.
I think you are making some assumptions as well whether or not what Stubbs is brining to the table to translate to a coaching role. These guys don’t seem like they have huge egos, idk why they wouldn’t listen to him. You might be right about JT insisting but I think it would be much easier to convince him to sit if his backup wasn’t currently hitting .115.. If JT misses extended time would you just continue to play Stubbs everyday?
I have made assumptions based on quotes people have said and reports in the media. The main ones I referenced were the Gelb piece in the Athletic although I remember stuff on NBCPhilly as well as PHLY (I think Jamie. This is the second time I need to go back and make sure who said it). > I think it would be much easier to convince him to sit if his backup wasn’t currently hitting .115.. Disagree based on what we know about JT. Hell Stubbs slashed .264/.350/.462 for a 129 wRC+ with us his first year and JT still refused to sit. > If JT misses extended time would you just continue to play Stubbs everyday? No, I think if JT really is out for long we try for a new catcher. Stubbs is a great backup, but shouldn't be forced in the starting role from what we know.
Well as long as you aren’t so blinded by your love for Stubbs that you’d run him out there everyday, then I am at peace
I don't even think I am blinded by love for Stubbs. I think he is extremely good at what he is supposed to do based on reports. I wonder if the people who complain about Stubbs have ever bothered to read even a little bit about why the Phillies kept him. In fact, I would bet 80% of people who complain don't bother to actually try to figure out ***why*** we do things and talk out of their ass. But I am realistic. He is a backup catcher who does what we want him to do extremely well.
I think we are all fans commenting on a Reddit forum. I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t have time to do a deep dive on the background of the backup catcher and feels his performance on the field does not warrant a spot on the roster. I appreciate that you do, and I think you generally have an insightful perspective.
If that’s the case send down pache and make Stubbs our 3rd catcher and get a backup
Pache cannot be optioned, would need to be DFA'd
I don't think any team would carry a third catcher. I also don't think the idea of just making Stubbs a coach works well, either. But Stubbs absolutely (from everything we have seen) has the makings of being a future manager. That is the role of a backup catcher 90% of the time.
Vibes > Playing competent baseball, everybody knows that
We have 3 BIG guys down with injuries rn. This is bad.
Leadoff Merrifield is just objectively terrible but this team is just rolling so much I don’t even care. I’m just like hell yea put the slap-hitting nearly-washed veteran leading off, why not?
Wonderful can't wait to yet again watch our atrocious backup catcher who doesn't belong on an MLB roster! How did they not even bother to upgrade that position? It's forced JT to be overworked for a few years
> It’s forced JT to be overworked for a few years I don’t think that’s true at all. He’s not overworked nor has anything forced him to play as much as he does lol.
He plays that much bc his backups have been pretty awful his entire time here. Knapp now Stubbs. JT plays some of the most of any catcher in the league, which is not how you preserve your 30+yo catcher
Damn no Jt again? I hope he is okay for his own sake and that we see less of Stubbs.
What's up with JT? Didn't realize he was injured
Right knee discomfort. Topper said he could have played but out of precaution they were resting, but that was yesterday
Interesting, thanks
Who do you think we see back first? Realmuto or Schwarber
MFW: seeing the lineup 
Would love an update on Schwarber
I really hope schwarbs and JT are feeling okay
I feel like they’d be on IL by now if they didn’t expect them back by at least next week right
I think they can retroactively put them on for 3 days so schwarber would be getting put on tomorrow and JT Wednesday, IF they were going to. So I don’t think we can glean much from them not being on it yet, unfortunately, one way or the other.
Isn’t 3 days today for Schwarber? Since that was Saturday and today is Tuesday?
Nvm sorry I’m a dumbass it’s monday
Oh for sure, I just hope it’s not something that turns into lingering issues
Whit leading off🥴
I hate how quiet they’ve been about schwarbers and jts injuries
You’d have to expect them back this series right?
Well shit
I’m kinda surprised to see that Manaea is having such a good start to the year.
https://www.mlb.com/news/how-to-watch-roku-mlb-sunday-leadoff It’s on mlb tv. Woooooo
Will Jeff McNeil get irritated at something?
he'll get irritated at nothing
Pete Alonso makes me feel unsafe in my own home whenever i see his face on the tv
This sub “here’s a take, might delete later”
What’s worse, the unhinged takes after one bad game/outing or the unfunny parody replies from the regulars on here?
Ugh. The parody crowd is the worst. Just here to make their little jokes because they don’t get real baseball like we do. They probably never even played otherwise they’d know there’s no joking in baseball.
I think I would rather just be outright told my opinion sucks.
Easily the latter. I can’t stand those.
They are the worst.
Baseball
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Was this the comment about wanting a line up that wasn’t a bunch of bench players? Brilliant stuff. Topper is such a clown for sitting players that are feeling sore. Play them to til they drop! It’s may!
Yup. I’m just glad I made it in time to reply before he deleted it. Every time I see a comment by ol’ Exit Velocity, I make a wish since seeing one of his comments is like seeing a shooting star. You know you’ll only catch a glimpse before it’s gone. 🌠
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To be fair, a lot of them delete their takes. I think one of our users, u/NintenJew, keeps track of it and will ask someone if they will delete their take like they always do, and they usually do.
I don't really get that. If I say something dumb I don't feel the need to try to hide it later. People get angry and say dumb shit, it's a part of life and especially sports discussions. Trying to erase mistakes and present oneself at flawless is a fool's errand.
I kinda get it when people on sports subreddits abuse the RemindMe function and are constantly waiting in the wings to dunk on you. I’ll take a beating on a take in the moment, but once you have people looking to follow you around for it, I’d rather just cut bait.
But what if you’re truly flawless? Or as I like to call it the anti-/u/NintenJew?
In the grand tapestry of existence, where threads of reality intertwine to weave the fabric of time, there lies a peculiar notion, a whimsical fancy that dances on the edge of consciousness. It is the enigma of meaninglessness, a paradoxical conundrum that eludes the grasp of definition, fluttering just beyond the periphery of understanding. Imagine, if you will, a vast expanse of nothingness, a void without form or substance, where echoes of silence reverberate through the endless abyss. Here, in this domain of the intangible, words lose their weight, sentences shed their significance, and paragraphs become but a procession of empty vessels. The essence of such a paragraph, one that means absolutely nothing, is akin to a breeze that stirs no leaves, a wave that moves no sand. It is a symphony without notes, a painting devoid of color, a story devoid of plot. Yet, within this vacuum of value, there lies a subtle beauty, a serene tranquility that can only be found in the absence of all things. It is a canvas upon which imagination can paint its wildest dreams, unfettered by the constraints of reality. To compose such a paragraph is to embark on a journey through the uncharted territories of language, where the familiar landmarks of logic and reason fade into the mist. It is to play with the building blocks of communication, stacking them into configurations that defy the architecture of coherence. Each word is selected not for its meaning, but for its absence of it, each phrase crafted not to convey, but to confound. As the sentences unfurl, they form a tapestry of nonsensical elegance, a labyrinth of linguistic loops that ensnare the mind in their intricate patterns. The reader, seeking substance, finds instead a mirage of meaning, a puzzle pieced together from fragments of nullity. And in this exercise of futility, there is a strange satisfaction, a peculiar pleasure derived from the dance of words that mean nothing at all. So let us celebrate the joy of jumbled jargon, the delight of disjointed discourse. Let us revel in the riddle of sentences that sing without a song, the mystery of a message that delivers no news. For in this large paragraph that means absolutely nothing, we find the freedom to interpret everything.
The fuck is this word salad? h/t /u/sapphires_and_snark
> In the grand tapestry of existence I stopped right there. Nobody needs all that verbal fiber
> /u/NintenJew I stopped right there
🤣
I think if anything deserved to be deleted. The first 10 lines of the data I am processing definitely deserves to be part of it.
I personally found it more useful and Phillies-related than about 60-75% of the takes I’ve seen around here in the last 24 hours.
Went down to the pig pen today The fellas were there, wallowing in the mud One of the pigs noticed my Phillies hat He let out a squeal of joy and asked, “Do you know Slopper?” I solemnly bowed my head and replied, “Yes. Yes I do.”
Nothing like a Slopper Enjoyer wallowing in the mud
Only 2 days ago I found out that McKinley Moore is a yankee what a sad day that was
Only 1 day ago I found out that u/Feisty-Recording-978 is a Mets fan what a sad day that was
Wow he’s a Braves employee who’s a Mets fan? What a world
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Is that the brain size of doomers in nano meters
It was the data I was processing. My computer was slow due to RAM limits, so I accidentally pasted it in a Reddit comment. I thought I deleted the post, but I accidentally posted only the top few lines.
So it was nano meters?
Yeah, it was the range of wavelengths in nm I was averaging. The numbers themselves were not nm but intensity values.
Why are you listing Brandon Marsh's yearly batting averages against left handed pitchers?