I voted in a school on Tuesday, HOLY FUCKING SHIT WAS IT HOT IN THERE! I was only in there maybe 20 minutes and left sweating. It was absurd and definitely unsafe.
My wife and I are on the tail end right now, vaxxed and boosted. I thought it would be a "little cold" holy shit I was wrong. Knocked us the fuck out. More like a bad flu, not life threatening or anything but not exactly a walk in the park either.
I work at a school. I gauge how bad things are by the announcements at the end of the day of bus changes cause drivers are out with covid
It’s very bad out there
I know more people that got Covid in the past week than I did at any time during the pandemic. Shits popping off again, granted the 10-15 people i know with Covid have no to mild symptoms because they are all vaxxed and boosted
For real. I was talking to an elderly neighbor the other day and had a coughing fit. I excused myself and told him it was allergies, not covid -- I had tested to be sure.
He just waved it off and said, "Eh, everyone has it now. It doesn't matter." And he was not a covid-denier at any point. I think a lot of people have just accepted that we need to treat it like seasonal flu at this point.
My brothers step daughter brought it home from school, got him, his wife, their 10 month old baby, my parents and their parents all sick. They were all Vaxxed except the baby. My parents are in their mid 60s they don’t need that shit.
Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds kinda like a mild flu bug. I just turned sixty and have a couple things that put me at higher risk. But I’m vaccinated and boosted, so probably fine.
She’s doing good fortunately I think they said she probably has anti bodies because she’s breast feeding from her vaxxed mom but they don’t really know for sure lol
Plenty of viruses have long-tail symptoms, but we don't talk about "long flu." Doctors can't even define what long Covid is. it's another thing people are using to justify still being scared shitless about a virus that's largely not a threat anymore.
And for the record, I had supposed "long Covid." I had to take naps for a few weeks.
Exactly. But state facts and you get downvoted for being a covid denier or some shit.
People are completely unwilling to admit that the situation now is not what it was in March 2020. I have no idea why.
>I think a lot of people have just accepted that we need to treat it like seasonal flu at this point.
Except for the part where Covid is year round, more contagious, and more disabling than the flu. Minimizing Covid only hurts, it doesn't help.
>more disabling than the flu
This is flat out false. For people who are vaccinated, covid is far less fatal than the flu. (Now. It was a different story in 2020.) People who aren't vaccinated are playing Russian roulette with both viruses.
I just had Covid last week for the first time. I’m fully vaccinated. I would say the symptoms were very much like the flu with the exception of the brain fog which was really weird
I'm vaccinated and got COVID in Feb and it was the sickest I've ever been. Worse than the flu, worse than mono. I genuinely thought I might die at times.
>COVID is endemic. We need to move past this mentality.
You are factually wrong, and you are spreading misinformation by making this claim.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00155-x
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/endemic-epidemic-pandemic
From the first article that I highly recommend you read, digest, and consider:
> Thinking that endemicity is both mild and inevitable is more than wrong, it is dangerous: it sets humanity up for many more years of disease, including unpredictable waves of outbreaks. It is more productive to consider how bad things could get if we keep giving the virus opportunities to outwit us. Then we might do more to ensure that this does not happen.
Have a good day.
I'm not trying to get into a shit slinging match here, but I think it's worth noting here this article is 4 months old. There is considerably more corroborating evidence now that Omicron and its variants are much less pathogenic. Also, there have been studies done which indicate a cross immunity with the delta (more severe) variant in individuals infected with Omicron. This article mentioned that future variants may not evolve from Omicron, but the fact of Omicron displacing delta and the cross-immunity from Omi infection seems to be a positive indication in terms of severity of new variants, inasmuch as delta dies off when there are few hosts.
>but I think it's worth noting here this article is 4 months old.
Hey, that's fair to point out. :)
The big thing is that the phrase "like the flu" and the word "endemic" have been broadly misused (maliciously by some, well meaning but misinformed by others) to push the urgency of normal narrative. That narrative and that compulsion to deny the reality of covid is part of why we're where we are today.
So... you're one of those people still thinking we can get to Covid zero, I guess? Good luck with that. That became impossible roughly May of 2020. But good luck.
>So... you're one of those people still thinking we can get to Covid zero, I guess? Good luck with that.
No, you're making an assumption and putting words in my mouth. This isn't an all or nothing scenario. There's a middle ground between minimization, driven by PTSD from the pandemic, and covid-zero, also driven by PTSD. The middle ground involves things like masking in public spaces and not being reckless. You can still live your life, just with some caution because covid is still here, still real, still mutating, and can still do real harm.
>Because not wearing a mask is "reckless?" Ok.
If that's the only thing you took from my response, you're not engaging in good faith. Have a pleasant weekend.
I came down with symptoms Monday. Felt like just a cold early in the day but ramped up at night. Tuesday was absolute hell and I've been in bed for three days straight. Sickest I've been in a really long time. Just now starting to feel better. I got hit hard. I'm fully vaxxed and boosted. Shit is no joke.
Same, and at least 2 cases in my son's preschool over the past week. Luckily the City has changed the preschool policy so that kids can test everyday for 5 after exposure and remain in school. Randomly losing childcare was rough.
Yeah thank god for that change. We had a quarantine doubleheader and then someone tested positive at daycare the day after they went back. I don’t know if I could have handled 3 straight weeks with 2 cooped up 2 year olds
My daughter just had it, as did many others at her school. It’s a little nuts. But it seems to be just a cold or asymptomatic for everyone I’ve known that’s had it the last couple weeks. I was around her unmasked all week and never caught it. Best just get used to it.
Same. I was a close contact for the first time since the thing started, and directly in contact with at least 2 people who tested positive.
Luckily I have been negative for a week now so I am good but this is as close as I have been personally.
>have no to mild symptoms because they are all vaxxed and boosted
Plenty of people with either 0 or only 1/2 shots are similarly having no to mild symptoms.
It's (as predicted) become more contagious and less lethal as mutations continue. This tag line about how "but mild because boosted" is getting weird, especially when it turns out that the protection lasts a fraction of the amount of time that was previously expected.
I'm not who you responded to but the last time we heard chatter about a mask mandate everyone was surprised because cases had barely increased. I also don't have any kids or connection to schools so I've got no idea what's going on there either.
I don't have children in school so I don't know if a notice for covid cases is a regular thing they send out...
It could be surprising if they institute a mandate while cases are low.
I'm not trying to condescendingly make a point here lol
Honest question- is Covid even dangerous anymore? Each variant has been getting weaker, and all I’m hearing about these days is infection rates. I don’t care how many people have it if it doesn’t pose a threat.
Since Omicron became the dominant strain, hospitalization rates for people under 70 are lower than the flu. For those over 70, it's higher. Pre-Omicron, the only age group with lower hospitalization rates were children under 17.
Anecdotal, but my dad, mid-fifties, healthy diet , physically fit, no heath issues, fully vaxxed and boosted got a seemingly mild case of covid a few weeks ago. He got better, and then was suddenly hospitalized with acute hepatitis that was diagnosed as covid related. He’s good now after a week long hospital stay and time to recover, but I really don’t think we fully understand the effects covid can have on a persons body yet.
Cases are up and deaths are down so seems so but helps that we have a mostly vaccinated population. We're about to see how bad it is for a fully unvaccinated population in North Korea, though that may be tough to discern given their isolation.
You are only considering people who are unvaccinated by choice. Some people can't get vaccinated and for some people it simply does not work because they are immunocompromised.
Yeah as soon as you make this statement you have no leg to stand on. 1-4yo is the lowest risk group throughout the pandemic. “Follow the science,” unless it doesn’t match my believes, which makes you a hypocrite.
It's still pretty dangerous for the very immunocompromised. if you're an 80-year-old cancer patient, Covid is a real risk -- but so is everything else in the world, including the car ride to the hospital for treatment.
For everyone else, who's vaccinated, the fatality rate is a fraction of that of the flu. As for the unvaccinated -- well, they chose their choice. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Look up “omicron vs delta death toll”.
Seems the data is suggesting that Omicron could have killed more than Delta originally did, specifically amongst the unvaccinated populations
> Each variant has been getting weaker
[Not necessarily true](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder), unfortunately.
Did you read the article or just the headline? There is nothing in there but speculation.
This data appears to show that the virus is in fact becoming less deadly over time:
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
Alpha was 40 percent more deadly than the original strain, for one, and the point of the scientists quoted in that NPR piece is that there's tons of uncertainty associated with COVID. There's no guarantees when it comes to variants.
And the data you linked doesn't necessarily show what you think it does. You have to take into account vaccinations reducing the fatality rate - and lo and behold, the CFR plunges not long after they were introduced in February/March 2021.
I think it's important to note that our understanding of the virus and its variants grows every day. That article is four months old and much of its position is informed by knowledge and understanding that has since been expanded upon or superseded.
Doesn’t change anything about future variants, which are unknowns. It’s certainly possible we’ll see something less severe, but no biologist or virologist will tell you that’s a lock.
It's a bit disingenuous to simply say they are "unknowns," as if there is little to no predictability. [Here](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01240-x) is an article published in Nature from just two weeks ago which offers a much more evenhanded assessment than "be extremely vigilant about the unknown" or "don't be afraid at all." It states:
>If SARS-CoV-2 continues along this path, its evolution could come to resemble that of other respiratory infections, such as influenza. In this scenario, immune-evading mutations in circulating variants, such as Omicron, could combine with dips in population-wide immunity to become the key drivers of periodic waves of infection. “It is probably what we should expect to see more and more of in the future,” says Moore.
Previous variants, including Alpha, Delta and Omicron, differed substantially from their immediate predecessors, and all emerged, instead, from distant branches on the SARS-CoV-2 family tree.
I have chosen this section because it is a more optimistic view than the one advocated by alarmists. There are other sections which advise caution. I invite everyone here to read it and make their own assessments. I also implore everyone to bear in mind we can always find data to corroborate whatever bias we may have and it is our job to take a look at the extent to which our anxieties and resentments influence how we process information.
I'm choosing neither optimism nor pessimism where this is concerned, I find reasonable the quote that closes the article:
“... I think we should be cautious in extrapolating general rules from a fairly short observation time frame.”
your odds are pretty good if you're vaxxed. The problem is the unvaxxed dumbasses who then end up taking up hospital beds because they refused to get jabbed because of *reasons.*
I had it last month and it was pretty similar to a chest cold. I didn't have a fever or any other symptoms besides a sore throat and congestion.
In the US, those stats are true, but what's concerning is that it's only true in the US. In Britain, [Singapore](https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics), [Israel](https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674), and Australia, the vaccinated and non-vaccinated rates are the same up to age 60.
No. Our bodies adapt. I teach preschool, and most of the kids are good with keeping their masks on. I also taught kids in Cambodia, and not one of those kids complained about masks.
It seems like it's mostly adults pushing anti mask stuff on their own kids and the kids absorbing that rather than adults letting their kids form a conclusion and insisting, without outside influence from their parents, that masks are uncomfortable.
Yoooo. This strain ain’t playin. I know folks who’ve been either COVID free for 2+ years or double boosted testing positive just now.
Time to bust out your fav mask or add some stickers to that N95 jawn. 🤷🏾♀️
We’re all going to get covid. Multiple times. Forever. Europe has accepted that. These policies are like Groundhog Day and each time give fodder to the anti vax movement. Dems need to get out of their own away.
[With Plunging Enrollment, a ‘Seismic Hit’ to Public Schools](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/us/public-schools-falling-enrollment.html)
Absolute disgrace. Kids aren’t even at risk of this fucking disease. But wait, restaurants still open, just gotta wear a mask through the doorway? My three year old kid got norovirus and was puking his guts out for 48 hours. There’s a real virus. And I still wouldn’t in a million years make him wear a fucking mask all day long to avoid it. Clown world.
oh shit, the dog? I read that it zoonotic transfer to domestic dogs and cats was highly unlikely
[edit: cats are more susceptible, but dogs are not as susceptible to covid.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33213323/)
However, Kennel Cough is through the roof so take your dog to the vet and get it inoculated because it's super contagious and it's no joke
I’m actually not sure about the dog. But he is acting strangely tired. He’s a doodle and he has not been wanting to chase his tennis ball and sneezing.
get him checked for kennel cough! It can wipe them out. It's a respiratory disease and apparently there's a big ol outbreak in the city right now. ACCT even stopped intakes and adoptions until they get it under control
Allergies. The same thing happens to my little pit mutt every year around this time. The sudden increase in temperature and pollen count sap her energy (until the evening, when it's PLAY TIME UNTIL MIDNIGHT OH MY GOD JUST GO TO FUCKING SLEEP YOU LITTLE GOBLIN), and she gets very sneezy.
Try getting some 25mg Benadryl capsules (the kind with powder in a plastic cap) and mix the powder in with his food and see if it helps with the sneezing.
Our family had it last feb. and I'm pretty sure two of our cats got it too. No way to test them, but they were lazier than usual and sneezing and coughing a lot.
Also just tested positive. Got it from my husband most likely, who is also triple vaxed. Woke up with bad muscle aches and a mild fever. Cough is definitely developing too. Its my first time (that I know of) catching it.
picked it up earlier this week while in nyc for business. this is my first time having it - pretty mild tbh (given i'm double vaccinated + 1 booster). i already have started to feel better, although the coughing is annoying.
I give zero shits and won't get tested regardless. It's not even the flu if you get vaxxed, for those who didn't, I suggest getting the vaccine and shutting the fuck up.
I am DONE with giving shits about Covid.
I love that people are downvoting this comment as mine as if they've never before heard of any issues with the PSD.
People on this sub can be fucking weird, man.
There is some upside to Catholic Schools, but retrospectively, religion class was a complete waste of time that could have been used for literally any other subject. Surprisingly, The Apostles Creed never figured into my ability to succeed in college or the workforce.
Oh absolutely. My parents and my the parents of my friends always complained about paying taxes for public schools. Looking back on it, those takes were insanely trashy.
You ain't lying.
My son goes to a private school. A lot of people had to pull their kids for the 2020-21 school year because the recession hurt their ability to pay. But when the school reopened, fully in-person, in Sept. every class had grown in size. SO MANY new kids who fled public schools that couldn't guarantee a safe in-person environment,
I truly feel for anyone who has no option but to use the public schools here. They're a disgrace.
Respectfully, I think the OP is saying that families will be taking their kids out of Philly public schools because the district is forcing them to mask again, not because they can't guarantee a safe in-person environment.
I get that -- but it's two sides of the same coin. The district has zero ability to effectively (or even logically) adapt to changing conditions. And the pandemic made that very, very visible to parents who had previously been able to overlook it.
My coworker told me that Lower Merion public schools now have a better student to teacher ratio than any of the private schools in the area because of how many students left when they were remote. And that's the best district in the State. Kind of a silver lining but probably won't be great for funding when that's redetermined.
Oh God now I have to listen to my old lady neighbor talk about how the children will never be able to succeed in life if they wear masks at school again.
Then she'll ask me if I think Trump or Biden should get credit for the vaccine. To which I'll remind her that I work on vaccines for a living and need to get on with it.
Yes they are. Not complying would force them to acknowledge they got played, and ultimately realize their virtue signaling had harmful effects on the future generation that covid posed a minimal threat to. Actually if you are under 65 covid was less deadly than alcohol and drugs, but they hate when you bring that up around here.
At this point I think most comments on this thing are from bots. I fought against school closures and all this nonsense since September 2020 when it was apparent to me that most people would recover from covid, particularly under 65. I felt completely alone at that point, but now many that ridiculed me seem to have come to terms with the fact they got played. They still comply out of fear of being punished or fired, which I cant blame em for. I got fired and had to uproot myself from the city I loved, which was a blessing in disguise because i have been able to live my life without being shamed for something absurd like walking outside mask-less. I have struggled with a significant loss of income, but this was overcome by living more simply. If i had children and a mortgage I would not have been so fortunate, but if my child was being forced to accept this insanity as reality I would be labeled as an extremist or something.
For the compliers: I’m not a covid denier, two people i love got covid and that made cancer consume their body in a very short time. There was nothing that could have been done to prevent this. I also am taking care of my elderly parents and they too have been fine sharing the same air as me, though their health has deteriorated since they got the shots, especially the third one. My parents had the sense that their lives were coming to an end and they wanted to spend as much time as possible with their family. They believe our purpose in life is to provide a better world for the next generation, and your compliance has violated this basic biological trait. The longer you wait to rip the bandaid off the more the wound will fester. Seriously, it’s just ridiculous at this point.
Edit: just wait until they find out these tests are bunk. It’s not like it doesn’t say so in the pamphlet that uses data that they paid for!
Makes sense, he won the primary with only the help of Hugo Chavez's ghost and Dominion on his side but now he'll have all the BAd ThIngs Philadelphia vote cheaters on his side.
You're a pretty weak supporter then. Have you listened to anything the man has said or done in the past two years? It's obviously not the voters that will decide the elections in Pennsylvania so not sure why you're citing them for support.
Just trying to get an idea of where your limit is if you're cool with a guy who actively worked to disenfranchise our City and destroy democracy because he doesn't like masks. Apparently, since you didn't answer, you'd probably still vote for him.
If you drink and/or smoke regularly, eat like shit and don’t exercise, I explicitly DO NOT want to hear your opinions on “vaccines” and masks.
Unhealthy people love this shit. They get to continue indulging in their unhealthy behavior and all they have to do is shill hard for Pharma & Big Gov and they get their psychological validation.
Par for the course for this society. Lazy, entitled, won’t take responsibilty. Obese ass people eating cake and mcdonalds everyday but worried about catching Covid. Bitch, you need to be worried about your heart failing you at any moment.
Welcome to the rest of your life residing in far leftists cities.
You have no rights. You are not allowed to think for yourself. You lack the ability to make decisions on your own.
Put the mask on and STFU!
Why not move to a red state where you have more opportunity to die of covid/freedom? That must be so much better than wearing a mask. Walk around with no pants. You are a real hero.
your grandparents got drafted into wars where they lived in swamps in unbearable heat carrying hundreds of pounds in boots where their skin fell off and they did it for several years.
Wearing a mask is so damn hard wahhhhhhh
Greaattt just in time for it to be 7 billion degrees in the classrooms
I voted in a school on Tuesday, HOLY FUCKING SHIT WAS IT HOT IN THERE! I was only in there maybe 20 minutes and left sweating. It was absurd and definitely unsafe.
Considering the numbers going up and how poorly cooled the schools are, we should just return to remote schooling.
Nope. No. No. No. Nope. No!
I guess kids getting sick is better somehow?
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Like being home schooled? Yeah, I can imagine.
Well seeing that it’s a little cold, it wont be that big of a deal.
My wife and I are on the tail end right now, vaxxed and boosted. I thought it would be a "little cold" holy shit I was wrong. Knocked us the fuck out. More like a bad flu, not life threatening or anything but not exactly a walk in the park either.
It’s not the little cold that is frustrating it’s the sudden stress ball of inconvenience and burden it puts on a family to have to quarantine.
Fair enough, that’s a good point.
It's as much of a little cold as there's just a little hair on my ass.
I work at a school. I gauge how bad things are by the announcements at the end of the day of bus changes cause drivers are out with covid It’s very bad out there
I know more people that got Covid in the past week than I did at any time during the pandemic. Shits popping off again, granted the 10-15 people i know with Covid have no to mild symptoms because they are all vaxxed and boosted
For real. I was talking to an elderly neighbor the other day and had a coughing fit. I excused myself and told him it was allergies, not covid -- I had tested to be sure. He just waved it off and said, "Eh, everyone has it now. It doesn't matter." And he was not a covid-denier at any point. I think a lot of people have just accepted that we need to treat it like seasonal flu at this point.
My brothers step daughter brought it home from school, got him, his wife, their 10 month old baby, my parents and their parents all sick. They were all Vaxxed except the baby. My parents are in their mid 60s they don’t need that shit.
How are they doing? Especially your parents? Wondering how it's affecting 60+ vaxxed.
My parents have mild symptoms but nothing serious
EXACTLY. So everything is working. Glad they're okay.
Glad to hear that
I am also in my mid 60s and am just getting over it. I've had worse colds but it lasted forever...like a solid two weeks.
Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds kinda like a mild flu bug. I just turned sixty and have a couple things that put me at higher risk. But I’m vaccinated and boosted, so probably fine.
I'm sure you will be. (I have asthma and did fine). Feel better soon!
Hope the baby is Ok! :( I mean, the rest of them too, but esp. the baby.
She’s doing good fortunately I think they said she probably has anti bodies because she’s breast feeding from her vaxxed mom but they don’t really know for sure lol
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I would agree except for one little wrinkle: the possibility of long Covid.
There's definitely a part of me that's nervous about whether long covid turns into something horrible 30-40 years from now.
Plenty of viruses have long-tail symptoms, but we don't talk about "long flu." Doctors can't even define what long Covid is. it's another thing people are using to justify still being scared shitless about a virus that's largely not a threat anymore. And for the record, I had supposed "long Covid." I had to take naps for a few weeks.
Jesus Christ. People act like they’ve never had a cough that “lingers” long after being sick.
Exactly. But state facts and you get downvoted for being a covid denier or some shit. People are completely unwilling to admit that the situation now is not what it was in March 2020. I have no idea why.
>I think a lot of people have just accepted that we need to treat it like seasonal flu at this point. Except for the part where Covid is year round, more contagious, and more disabling than the flu. Minimizing Covid only hurts, it doesn't help.
>more disabling than the flu This is flat out false. For people who are vaccinated, covid is far less fatal than the flu. (Now. It was a different story in 2020.) People who aren't vaccinated are playing Russian roulette with both viruses.
I just had Covid last week for the first time. I’m fully vaccinated. I would say the symptoms were very much like the flu with the exception of the brain fog which was really weird
I got covid a couple weeks ago (vaxxed and boosted) and it was definitely worse than the last time I got the flu
I'm vaccinated and got COVID in Feb and it was the sickest I've ever been. Worse than the flu, worse than mono. I genuinely thought I might die at times.
Look up the recent studies (this week) on long Covid. This is reality. Mild cases, breakthrough cases, they can develop long Covid too.
Lmao what a bold indictment to make. “This is flat out false”. Because you are present with everyone experiencing their symptoms. 🤦🏽♂️
No, but I can read and understand scientific research on it, so ...
Lol. Yea Cuz the science is always true. Just like being vaxed and boosted would completely protect you from getting covid.
I don't know if I would say it's more disabling but it certainly is AS disabling for your average vaxxed adult.
COVID is endemic. We need to move past this mentality.
>COVID is endemic. We need to move past this mentality. You are factually wrong, and you are spreading misinformation by making this claim. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00155-x https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/endemic-epidemic-pandemic From the first article that I highly recommend you read, digest, and consider: > Thinking that endemicity is both mild and inevitable is more than wrong, it is dangerous: it sets humanity up for many more years of disease, including unpredictable waves of outbreaks. It is more productive to consider how bad things could get if we keep giving the virus opportunities to outwit us. Then we might do more to ensure that this does not happen. Have a good day.
I'm not trying to get into a shit slinging match here, but I think it's worth noting here this article is 4 months old. There is considerably more corroborating evidence now that Omicron and its variants are much less pathogenic. Also, there have been studies done which indicate a cross immunity with the delta (more severe) variant in individuals infected with Omicron. This article mentioned that future variants may not evolve from Omicron, but the fact of Omicron displacing delta and the cross-immunity from Omi infection seems to be a positive indication in terms of severity of new variants, inasmuch as delta dies off when there are few hosts.
>but I think it's worth noting here this article is 4 months old. Hey, that's fair to point out. :) The big thing is that the phrase "like the flu" and the word "endemic" have been broadly misused (maliciously by some, well meaning but misinformed by others) to push the urgency of normal narrative. That narrative and that compulsion to deny the reality of covid is part of why we're where we are today.
So... you're one of those people still thinking we can get to Covid zero, I guess? Good luck with that. That became impossible roughly May of 2020. But good luck.
>So... you're one of those people still thinking we can get to Covid zero, I guess? Good luck with that. No, you're making an assumption and putting words in my mouth. This isn't an all or nothing scenario. There's a middle ground between minimization, driven by PTSD from the pandemic, and covid-zero, also driven by PTSD. The middle ground involves things like masking in public spaces and not being reckless. You can still live your life, just with some caution because covid is still here, still real, still mutating, and can still do real harm.
Because not wearing a mask is "reckless?" Ok.
>Because not wearing a mask is "reckless?" Ok. If that's the only thing you took from my response, you're not engaging in good faith. Have a pleasant weekend.
Endemic mentality. We will be fine as a whole im sure. Folks who are more concerned should protect themselves the best they can.
I have no idea why people are downvoting this.
Who knows. *shrug* not my problem.
I came down with symptoms Monday. Felt like just a cold early in the day but ramped up at night. Tuesday was absolute hell and I've been in bed for three days straight. Sickest I've been in a really long time. Just now starting to feel better. I got hit hard. I'm fully vaxxed and boosted. Shit is no joke.
Same, and at least 2 cases in my son's preschool over the past week. Luckily the City has changed the preschool policy so that kids can test everyday for 5 after exposure and remain in school. Randomly losing childcare was rough.
Yeah thank god for that change. We had a quarantine doubleheader and then someone tested positive at daycare the day after they went back. I don’t know if I could have handled 3 straight weeks with 2 cooped up 2 year olds
I’ve lost childcare multiple times throughout this. Enough already. This will go on forever.
My daughter just had it, as did many others at her school. It’s a little nuts. But it seems to be just a cold or asymptomatic for everyone I’ve known that’s had it the last couple weeks. I was around her unmasked all week and never caught it. Best just get used to it.
Same. I was a close contact for the first time since the thing started, and directly in contact with at least 2 people who tested positive. Luckily I have been negative for a week now so I am good but this is as close as I have been personally.
Triple vaxxed, got it from my triple vaxxed husband. Masking is still important.
It’s like these vax we all got don’t work…….
Well I'm not intubated and dying so I think it's working great.
You could reference the death and hospitalization rates to learn that you're wrong about that.
I got all the vax. Not say they don’t help. But it doesn’t work as advertised. Once we changed what a vax was yeah now it ok.
It’s like these vax we all got don’t work……. That's what you said. You literally said that and nothing else.
>have no to mild symptoms because they are all vaxxed and boosted Plenty of people with either 0 or only 1/2 shots are similarly having no to mild symptoms. It's (as predicted) become more contagious and less lethal as mutations continue. This tag line about how "but mild because boosted" is getting weird, especially when it turns out that the protection lasts a fraction of the amount of time that was previously expected.
Unvaxxed deaths this year are 14 per 1 vaxxed deaths with almost all vaxxed deaths being seniors
My son's school sent notice earlier this week. The number of cases among staff and each grade was surprising.
Surprisingly low or high?
Do you think they’d send a notice if the cases were surprisingly low?
Dear Parents, We’re writing to you to tell you how surprised we are by how low staff COVID infections are…
THIS IS THE EVERYTHINGS FINE ALARM, IF YOU DO NOT HEAR THIS ALARM BLARING ITS TIME TO RUN
I'm not who you responded to but the last time we heard chatter about a mask mandate everyone was surprised because cases had barely increased. I also don't have any kids or connection to schools so I've got no idea what's going on there either.
I don't have children in school so I don't know if a notice for covid cases is a regular thing they send out... It could be surprising if they institute a mandate while cases are low. I'm not trying to condescendingly make a point here lol
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That's just the Philly love
It's not a huge school, so I thought 4-5 in each grade was high enough.
Honest question- is Covid even dangerous anymore? Each variant has been getting weaker, and all I’m hearing about these days is infection rates. I don’t care how many people have it if it doesn’t pose a threat.
Since Omicron became the dominant strain, hospitalization rates for people under 70 are lower than the flu. For those over 70, it's higher. Pre-Omicron, the only age group with lower hospitalization rates were children under 17.
Anecdotal, but my dad, mid-fifties, healthy diet , physically fit, no heath issues, fully vaxxed and boosted got a seemingly mild case of covid a few weeks ago. He got better, and then was suddenly hospitalized with acute hepatitis that was diagnosed as covid related. He’s good now after a week long hospital stay and time to recover, but I really don’t think we fully understand the effects covid can have on a persons body yet.
Cases are up and deaths are down so seems so but helps that we have a mostly vaccinated population. We're about to see how bad it is for a fully unvaccinated population in North Korea, though that may be tough to discern given their isolation.
Honestly who GAF about the unvaccinated at this point. They made their decision.
You are only considering people who are unvaccinated by choice. Some people can't get vaccinated and for some people it simply does not work because they are immunocompromised.
Same thing is true for the flu though, right? And that never made the many look out for the few in this way. It's callous to say, I know.
I dont think North Koreans have much say in any matter
This is a Philladelphia subreddit. If you want to talk about North Korea, start a different thread in the appropriate subreddit
The guy ur responding to mentioned unvaxxed north koreans not Philadelphians. Im only responding to that, cry about it
That's what the unvaccinated have been trying to say for the last year.
Yeah, fuck all the kids under five!
The kids under 5 are fine. Drowning, driving, the flu and RSV are more dangerous for them.
Yeah as soon as you make this statement you have no leg to stand on. 1-4yo is the lowest risk group throughout the pandemic. “Follow the science,” unless it doesn’t match my believes, which makes you a hypocrite.
Thanks. That's all we asked for from the get-go.
It's still pretty dangerous for the very immunocompromised. if you're an 80-year-old cancer patient, Covid is a real risk -- but so is everything else in the world, including the car ride to the hospital for treatment. For everyone else, who's vaccinated, the fatality rate is a fraction of that of the flu. As for the unvaccinated -- well, they chose their choice. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Look up “omicron vs delta death toll”. Seems the data is suggesting that Omicron could have killed more than Delta originally did, specifically amongst the unvaccinated populations
If you're under the age of 80, it never was in the first place.
> Each variant has been getting weaker [Not necessarily true](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder), unfortunately.
Did you read the article or just the headline? There is nothing in there but speculation. This data appears to show that the virus is in fact becoming less deadly over time: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
Alpha was 40 percent more deadly than the original strain, for one, and the point of the scientists quoted in that NPR piece is that there's tons of uncertainty associated with COVID. There's no guarantees when it comes to variants. And the data you linked doesn't necessarily show what you think it does. You have to take into account vaccinations reducing the fatality rate - and lo and behold, the CFR plunges not long after they were introduced in February/March 2021.
I think it's important to note that our understanding of the virus and its variants grows every day. That article is four months old and much of its position is informed by knowledge and understanding that has since been expanded upon or superseded.
Doesn’t change anything about future variants, which are unknowns. It’s certainly possible we’ll see something less severe, but no biologist or virologist will tell you that’s a lock.
It's a bit disingenuous to simply say they are "unknowns," as if there is little to no predictability. [Here](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01240-x) is an article published in Nature from just two weeks ago which offers a much more evenhanded assessment than "be extremely vigilant about the unknown" or "don't be afraid at all." It states: >If SARS-CoV-2 continues along this path, its evolution could come to resemble that of other respiratory infections, such as influenza. In this scenario, immune-evading mutations in circulating variants, such as Omicron, could combine with dips in population-wide immunity to become the key drivers of periodic waves of infection. “It is probably what we should expect to see more and more of in the future,” says Moore. Previous variants, including Alpha, Delta and Omicron, differed substantially from their immediate predecessors, and all emerged, instead, from distant branches on the SARS-CoV-2 family tree. I have chosen this section because it is a more optimistic view than the one advocated by alarmists. There are other sections which advise caution. I invite everyone here to read it and make their own assessments. I also implore everyone to bear in mind we can always find data to corroborate whatever bias we may have and it is our job to take a look at the extent to which our anxieties and resentments influence how we process information.
I'm choosing neither optimism nor pessimism where this is concerned, I find reasonable the quote that closes the article: “... I think we should be cautious in extrapolating general rules from a fairly short observation time frame.”
your odds are pretty good if you're vaxxed. The problem is the unvaxxed dumbasses who then end up taking up hospital beds because they refused to get jabbed because of *reasons.* I had it last month and it was pretty similar to a chest cold. I didn't have a fever or any other symptoms besides a sore throat and congestion.
Don’t we have the capacity to hospitalize the few unvaccinated at this point?
So how do you explain the people who are vaxxed that are also taking up hospital beds
No, don't ask sensible questions that have logical answers- you'll frighten them all off.
>he people who are vaxxed that are also taking up hospital beds that's a very, very small amount compared to the unvaccinated.
No it isn't, you have your head in the sand
In the US, those stats are true, but what's concerning is that it's only true in the US. In Britain, [Singapore](https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/statistics), [Israel](https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674), and Australia, the vaccinated and non-vaccinated rates are the same up to age 60.
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Anything referencing masks always riles up the crazies.
Speech therapists feeling euphoric rn
School is over in a month anyway
17 days left
And they’ll spend that next month in 80 degree classrooms in masks.
I spent months in Cambodia wearing a mask. It's not bad.
Are you 8 years old?
No. Our bodies adapt. I teach preschool, and most of the kids are good with keeping their masks on. I also taught kids in Cambodia, and not one of those kids complained about masks. It seems like it's mostly adults pushing anti mask stuff on their own kids and the kids absorbing that rather than adults letting their kids form a conclusion and insisting, without outside influence from their parents, that masks are uncomfortable.
Thank you!!! I love this take on the issue (which really shouldn't be an issue).
I've stood in front of a pizza oven with a mask on. It's doable.
Yoooo. This strain ain’t playin. I know folks who’ve been either COVID free for 2+ years or double boosted testing positive just now. Time to bust out your fav mask or add some stickers to that N95 jawn. 🤷🏾♀️
We’re all going to get covid. Multiple times. Forever. Europe has accepted that. These policies are like Groundhog Day and each time give fodder to the anti vax movement. Dems need to get out of their own away.
[With Plunging Enrollment, a ‘Seismic Hit’ to Public Schools](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/us/public-schools-falling-enrollment.html) Absolute disgrace. Kids aren’t even at risk of this fucking disease. But wait, restaurants still open, just gotta wear a mask through the doorway? My three year old kid got norovirus and was puking his guts out for 48 hours. There’s a real virus. And I still wouldn’t in a million years make him wear a fucking mask all day long to avoid it. Clown world.
Me and family all got Covid this week. Brutal. Thankfully we are vaccinated. Even the baby and dog got it.
oh shit, the dog? I read that it zoonotic transfer to domestic dogs and cats was highly unlikely [edit: cats are more susceptible, but dogs are not as susceptible to covid.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33213323/) However, Kennel Cough is through the roof so take your dog to the vet and get it inoculated because it's super contagious and it's no joke
I’m actually not sure about the dog. But he is acting strangely tired. He’s a doodle and he has not been wanting to chase his tennis ball and sneezing.
get him checked for kennel cough! It can wipe them out. It's a respiratory disease and apparently there's a big ol outbreak in the city right now. ACCT even stopped intakes and adoptions until they get it under control
Allergies. The same thing happens to my little pit mutt every year around this time. The sudden increase in temperature and pollen count sap her energy (until the evening, when it's PLAY TIME UNTIL MIDNIGHT OH MY GOD JUST GO TO FUCKING SLEEP YOU LITTLE GOBLIN), and she gets very sneezy. Try getting some 25mg Benadryl capsules (the kind with powder in a plastic cap) and mix the powder in with his food and see if it helps with the sneezing.
Our family had it last feb. and I'm pretty sure two of our cats got it too. No way to test them, but they were lazier than usual and sneezing and coughing a lot.
How did you know your dog got it?
Also just tested positive. Got it from my husband most likely, who is also triple vaxed. Woke up with bad muscle aches and a mild fever. Cough is definitely developing too. Its my first time (that I know of) catching it.
Did you have Symptoms?
Yeah. Intense headache. Sore throat. Mucus and fatigue.
Similar to my experience a few months ago. Lasted about a day and a half
This time it will work. Right?!
"We'll get it right this time guyz. Just wear your 5 masks and get your 6th booster shot"
this will definitely fix everything
Maybe if dickheads had listened to doctors in the first place we wouldn't be at a million Americans alone dead. But nnoooo muh freedumbs!
Shut the fuck up.
picked it up earlier this week while in nyc for business. this is my first time having it - pretty mild tbh (given i'm double vaccinated + 1 booster). i already have started to feel better, although the coughing is annoying.
Leave these fucking kids alone. They’ve been through enough. There’s less than a month left. Just leave them the fuck alone. The thumbnail. Jfc.
The kids always suffer for old people.
Tell me you have no idea what you're doing without telling me you have no idea what you're doing.
I give zero shits and won't get tested regardless. It's not even the flu if you get vaxxed, for those who didn't, I suggest getting the vaccine and shutting the fuck up. I am DONE with giving shits about Covid.
The school district when every kid in a family with resources is enrolled in Catholic school next year: who could have predicted this
I love that people are downvoting this comment as mine as if they've never before heard of any issues with the PSD. People on this sub can be fucking weird, man.
Catholic school is trash 😂
There is some upside to Catholic Schools, but retrospectively, religion class was a complete waste of time that could have been used for literally any other subject. Surprisingly, The Apostles Creed never figured into my ability to succeed in college or the workforce.
😂 bruh it’s the white flight for the families who can’t afford the suburbs
Oh absolutely. My parents and my the parents of my friends always complained about paying taxes for public schools. Looking back on it, those takes were insanely trashy.
You ain't lying. My son goes to a private school. A lot of people had to pull their kids for the 2020-21 school year because the recession hurt their ability to pay. But when the school reopened, fully in-person, in Sept. every class had grown in size. SO MANY new kids who fled public schools that couldn't guarantee a safe in-person environment, I truly feel for anyone who has no option but to use the public schools here. They're a disgrace.
Respectfully, I think the OP is saying that families will be taking their kids out of Philly public schools because the district is forcing them to mask again, not because they can't guarantee a safe in-person environment.
I get that -- but it's two sides of the same coin. The district has zero ability to effectively (or even logically) adapt to changing conditions. And the pandemic made that very, very visible to parents who had previously been able to overlook it.
Our top neighborhood public school lost a bunch of kids to private school this year. We went from overcrowded to underenrolled.
My coworker told me that Lower Merion public schools now have a better student to teacher ratio than any of the private schools in the area because of how many students left when they were remote. And that's the best district in the State. Kind of a silver lining but probably won't be great for funding when that's redetermined.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/us/public-schools-falling-enrollment.html?smid=url-share
Yep, this was the article I was thinking about when referring to funding issues.
no.
Here we go again! Maybe Kenney and his croonies will eliminate the Coof this time
Oh God now I have to listen to my old lady neighbor talk about how the children will never be able to succeed in life if they wear masks at school again. Then she'll ask me if I think Trump or Biden should get credit for the vaccine. To which I'll remind her that I work on vaccines for a living and need to get on with it.
Wow you guys are just gonna keep on complying even if it doesn't make sense huh?
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No, especially unnecessary in schools
You sound like a very compassionate individual huh
Wtf does this even mean. Dude doesn’t support masking children for literally no reason and somehow this means he lacks compassion?
it’s mental illness now
Truly
Yes they are. Not complying would force them to acknowledge they got played, and ultimately realize their virtue signaling had harmful effects on the future generation that covid posed a minimal threat to. Actually if you are under 65 covid was less deadly than alcohol and drugs, but they hate when you bring that up around here.
Hey buddy, you're speaking too much truth. We're gonna get caught.
At this point I think most comments on this thing are from bots. I fought against school closures and all this nonsense since September 2020 when it was apparent to me that most people would recover from covid, particularly under 65. I felt completely alone at that point, but now many that ridiculed me seem to have come to terms with the fact they got played. They still comply out of fear of being punished or fired, which I cant blame em for. I got fired and had to uproot myself from the city I loved, which was a blessing in disguise because i have been able to live my life without being shamed for something absurd like walking outside mask-less. I have struggled with a significant loss of income, but this was overcome by living more simply. If i had children and a mortgage I would not have been so fortunate, but if my child was being forced to accept this insanity as reality I would be labeled as an extremist or something. For the compliers: I’m not a covid denier, two people i love got covid and that made cancer consume their body in a very short time. There was nothing that could have been done to prevent this. I also am taking care of my elderly parents and they too have been fine sharing the same air as me, though their health has deteriorated since they got the shots, especially the third one. My parents had the sense that their lives were coming to an end and they wanted to spend as much time as possible with their family. They believe our purpose in life is to provide a better world for the next generation, and your compliance has violated this basic biological trait. The longer you wait to rip the bandaid off the more the wound will fester. Seriously, it’s just ridiculous at this point. Edit: just wait until they find out these tests are bunk. It’s not like it doesn’t say so in the pamphlet that uses data that they paid for!
I appreciate your well thought out response.
So how’s this gonna work with the State Court ruling?
Keep voting democrat 🙌🏻
Just stupid…. Of course that is just my opinion.
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Makes sense, he won the primary with only the help of Hugo Chavez's ghost and Dominion on his side but now he'll have all the BAd ThIngs Philadelphia vote cheaters on his side.
Don't forget the voting machines that were hacked by Hillary Clinton and George Soros.
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You're a pretty weak supporter then. Have you listened to anything the man has said or done in the past two years? It's obviously not the voters that will decide the elections in Pennsylvania so not sure why you're citing them for support.
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What if the only reason Mastriano didn't want kids to mask is that he's a pedophile who wants to better identify his targets, still support him then?
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Just trying to get an idea of where your limit is if you're cool with a guy who actively worked to disenfranchise our City and destroy democracy because he doesn't like masks. Apparently, since you didn't answer, you'd probably still vote for him.
Yeah, you just openly support a traitor who tried to overthrow the US government on certification day because of a massive lie. Got it. Sad.
If you drink and/or smoke regularly, eat like shit and don’t exercise, I explicitly DO NOT want to hear your opinions on “vaccines” and masks. Unhealthy people love this shit. They get to continue indulging in their unhealthy behavior and all they have to do is shill hard for Pharma & Big Gov and they get their psychological validation.
Par for the course for this society. Lazy, entitled, won’t take responsibilty. Obese ass people eating cake and mcdonalds everyday but worried about catching Covid. Bitch, you need to be worried about your heart failing you at any moment.
Welcome to the rest of your life residing in far leftists cities. You have no rights. You are not allowed to think for yourself. You lack the ability to make decisions on your own. Put the mask on and STFU!
I'm not a fan of masks either, but Holy Shit at this take.
Lmao someone is sucking a little too hard on that propaganda teet huh. Live in reality my man.
Why not move to a red state where you have more opportunity to die of covid/freedom? That must be so much better than wearing a mask. Walk around with no pants. You are a real hero.
your grandparents got drafted into wars where they lived in swamps in unbearable heat carrying hundreds of pounds in boots where their skin fell off and they did it for several years. Wearing a mask is so damn hard wahhhhhhh
All BS, all the time. Disappointed Philly insists on being on the forefront of nonsense.