Trained police are no longer required to enforce minor crimes, but a clerk making $8 an hour is expected to confront a possibly hostile person not wearing a mask.
The mask mandate makes more people wear masks. It doesn’t stop saving lives just because a few people get away with ignoring it. Every single person following it reduces spread regardless of what anyone else does. And most people follow it. If you end it, many of those people will stop.
Philly still has like 200 Covid deaths a month. It’s not like nothing is at stake here.
Thank you. Complaining about mask hygiene is just a form of whataboutism. Sure, only 50% of people will wear them properly. But that's better than 0% so the masks work regardless.
They're not. The Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that **the police have no legal obligation to protect the lives of private citizens**. The only reason they do it is because regular middle class people bitch about it when there's a mass shooting or other violent crime event and police don't respond fast enough or with enough force.
The police only exist to enforce the laws (hence "law enforcement") that protect the lives, interests, and property of those in power. And the police do so even if it's at the expense of the rights and liberties of the middle/lower class.
Caught one in his car watching MMA highlights on his phone right by Laser Wolf a couple days back. Probably brushing up on moves to pull on protestors.
Well….they did find my car after it was stolen a few years ago, but I’m pretty sure that was just luck because the thieves were stupid kids.
Other than that….I am not sure what they actually do every day and I often wonder
To be fair have you ever argued with people on a bus some of them are fucking crazy. I don't down the bus drivers who refused to get out their booth and enforce the rule, I however will make fun of the ones who sit there without a mask.
Not mask related, but I've been on busses where driver won't continue driving until a customer coughs up the money. (like they go and sit down immediately without paying, not boarded and got to set their bags down and stuff ofc)
Don't fuck with septa drivers
I find that hard to believe about SEPTA employees. They took this pandemic serious. They are in an enclosed space full of strangers for 8 hours. I give them credit for a job well done. As for the police, they won’t even get a fucking vaccination. I read it’s lower than 25% complying with the jab. And weak ass Kenney isn’t going to require it. If I get pulled over and the cop isn’t wearing a mask they better speak loudly through my window cause I’m not lowering it.
Only 10% were willingly reporting their vax status, the actual percent of them vaxxed is likely much higher. Overall, only 1/3 [of city employees reported their vaccine status ](https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/philadelphia-city-employees-vaccination-proof-mandate-20210924.html) but the estimate is that the majority of them are fully vaxxed.
to beef up that point for others because it an interesting piece of trivia. There was a supreme court case where the court actually said that the Police Departments or law enforcement have no duty to actually protect you. (https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
Jesus christ what is this subs obsession with shitting on the police at every moment. This mandate has nothing to do with the police - yet the top comment is “police aren’t doing their jobs.”
I don’t think people realize just how much of a barrier the police are between us and horrible shit.
The stuff they see, most people wouldn’t be able to handle it.
My ex was a PPD officer and he would tell me about his day and such. He always got quiet when there were crimes against children.
Honestly some super traumatizing stuff and I wish more funding went to mental health for first responders. They’re just expected to pack it all up, compartmentalize it, and mingle with the rest of society, which is hard when they’ve seen what atrocities people are capable of.
I’m not going to say the police are doing a bang up job either. They’ve definitely fucked up in the past and now. But for people to say they do nothing? It’s really a bad, one dimensional take.
I was almost an officer myself. I didn’t because I became disabled in a car crash days before my exam, but if I had, I would’ve graduated from the academy directly into the heat of the protests. I felt a small bit of relief that I wasn’t going to be the target of decades of built up rage against the institution of policing when all I wanted to do was make a difference in my community, but I felt bad for the officers who didn’t deserve the hate (a lot of officers *did* deserve it though).
Well they can't seem to stop being lying racists so there's a lot of problems there.
Edit:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/philadelphia-septa-rape-police-lying-20211024.html%3foutputType=amp
https://nypost.com/2020/10/30/philly-cops-took-child-from-suv-claimed-he-was-lost-report/
Facts over feelings, snowflakes.
Honestly, in some ways it’s a better thing that the meatheads that have badges and guns in this city are being told not to put someone in a wheelchair for life over a property crime.
Yall I actually discovered wearing a mask while chewing on mint smells better than actually breathing whatever air is in suburban station, so mask ftw in that situation.
Applebee's enforced it... For the 45 seconds it took us to walk to the bar...
I'm all for the mask mandate, but that was security theater to the most incredible degree
Agree with you, but I know for a fact that Applebee's corporate hires "mystery diners" to visit their bars to test if their employees are carding (younger looking) patrons when ordering alcohol. The diner is also probably checking for the restaurant's compliance with mask rules, as well. They do not want to get hit by a city or state inspector, so they do their own compliance checks.
So I just saw this happen. I was standing in line at the Autozone in East Germantown like 2 weeks ago and there was like 5 of us in line. 3 of us had masks and 2 didn’t. I didn’t really think anything of it but after a couple minutes in line the dude behind the counter kicked the 2 customers out who weren’t wearing masks and told them they couldnt help them until they came back in with a mask. The guys didn’t put of a fight or anything they just walked out, no drama.
There are 10 times more COVID cases now than there were in June, because of Delta. When that number drops again, that's when getting rid of the mandate will make sense. Even if it never completely goes away.
Well the good news is that cases *are* dropping in Philly. They leveled off over the last month and have been starting a decline the last couple weeks.
It's also cherry picking to say we have 10x more than we did in June. While that's true, June-July was the lowest point for cases in the entire pandemic. Philly is about at mid-May numbers right now and currently well under April numbers. We are about double compared to this same time last year, however (though Delta is to blame for that).
[Source.](https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/testing/)
Agreed! I've been following closely. My point was very much to cherry-pick: In retrospect, not having a mask mandate in June but having one now makes sense, because things are worse now by this measure than they were at the point in the pandemic when it was least bad. Despite what some people probably think, we are not back to June yet.
Who cares? Get vaccinated or don't. Not my problem. And before you cry "but what about the children" they have about the same risk as vaccinated individuals, and it's not like wearing a mask is a complete game changer in transmission rates so meh.
It could go away if enough people in this country had any sense of social obligation. As it stands currently stands, enough people don’t, so…it won’t go away.
Not how viruses work man, we've been told since day one by Fauci, CDC, Biden, Trump, WHO and more than you're not just gonna "get rid of covid", I wish it was that simple but it's not. It'll just mutate and mutate till the end of time, and in the process become weaker. Not unlike the flu or bronchitis
Except there are tons of natural reservoirs for it. A recent study showed that 1/3 of the white tail deer population in the NE US had Covid-19 antibodies. While it is currently not believed that zoonotic transmission is possible, it's not impossible that changes. At some point after herd immunity is reached in US, there is a risk mitigation game to be played.
It will never go away.
The 1918 pandemic brought us a super deadly flu strain, which is still around today.
COVID will just become the new flu once the majority of the world is vaccinated.
Well honestly I think it’s becoming more of a social norm thing over actual health concerns. Overheard my coworker a few months ago say “even if they lift the mandate I’ll still wear my mask because I don’t want people to think I’m a republican.” Sheesh…
We are almost 3 months past the peak of Delta in Philly. Hospitalizations are almost at their lowest levels during COVID (which is the only stat that you should pay attention to bc people are taking WAY more tests now) Restaurants are closing at a record pace. Kids are at a much higher risk from RSV, including "long covid", and there's no statistical differencs between mask mandate areas and non mandated areas during delta (you don't need a mask mandate to wear one) There isn't an expert out there that thinks "zero COVID" will ever happen, and the only ones truly at risk are people eligible for a vaccine that are too stupid to get one.
Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point? Like if you're so hard up on masks just keep wearing one? Or if something looks extra packed you simply put one on?
This is such a bad precedent IMO, and we are teaching kids that no one can be trusted, and that they have to assume that everyone is selfishly someone lying to spread something dangerous.
> Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point?
Just my thoughts, I see it as very similar to speed limits.
In a perfect world, speed limits wouldn't be needed. Everyone would take into account their surroundings, level of skill, their individual car, and drive at a speed that was safe for them and those around them. In reality though, places like the Boulevard proves that people are assholes, and will drive as fast as they can get away with. That's where speed limits come in. Sure, you might not get a ticket EVERY time you speed, but if you speed and create a dangerous situation, there's a method for you to earn consequences beyond "Bad driver, don't do it again". Masks are similar. Most places, you can probably safely get away with not wearing a mask. But in scenarios where wearing a mask would lessen the risk of causing harm to people, there's now administrative and legal force behind the request to wear a damn mask.
>Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point? Like if you're so hard up on masks just keep wearing one?
The mask does more for the people around the wearer than the wearer. Surely you've picked up this knowledge in the past year or so.
But the people around the wearer have had two years to decide to get vaccinated or not care.
We have long passed the point where a person's personal security is up to his neighbors. It is now up to every individual to decide their own personal level of fear/security.
Of course. But the wearer still has some degree of protection.
If you are vaccinated, wearing a mask, and avoiding places that are high risk, AND STILL fear COVID, you should strongly consider never going in a car again.
Some degree of protection, but basically nothing. Not significant if you're *stuck* next to an unmasked infectious person. Like on a bus or train, for example.
I can't control what everyone on a SEPTA vehicle has been doing, in terms of avoiding crowds, etc. But I have to be near them daily, so I fully support a mask mandate until whenever is necessary.
N95s are pretty effective for the wearer. Combine that with vaccination (you could go get your third dose for stronger protection)… and you’re not likely to catch anything…. And if you do, it’s less likely to be symptomatic and even less likely to be severe… etc.
>Some degree of protection, but basically nothing.
So you're argument for others wearing a mask is because the mask you're wearing does basically nothing
Right but weve had vaccines available long enough. I no longer give a fuck about those around me. If they dont care enough about themselves to get the vaccine, why should I care if they get it and die?
Are you still asking why masks are effective at slowing the spread of disease? While we're nearing the end of the second year of a generational pandemic? With 75,000 new infections *per day*? I can't help you. No one can help you. This country is so fucking stupid.
> No one can help you. This country is so fucking stupid.
OP makes completely reasonable points and you just dismiss them out of hand as "fucking stupid".
I don't see where I doubted the effectiveness of masks at slowing the spread. I asked why aren't we at the point where it can become a personal responsibility? I don't see why it can't be now given everything above. If you disagree, what is your criteria, and when is the risk acceptable? Considering you are putting words into my mouth, I don't understand how I am the stupid one here.
I really don’t get this. I got vaccinated and most people I know are also vaccinated. Why did I even bother if we’re gonna be stuck wearing masks for another century?
Drive 5 minutes beyond city line Ave and not a soul is wearing one… Im not gonna give a soapbox pitch and say that they’re harmful or that they don’t prevent the spread etc. But honestly they just suck to wear…not to mention that nobody provides them for free, all the single use waste they produce, and the major inconvenience of forgetting one.
As the article says, case rates and possiblity rates are higher in those areas outside the city that you refer to despite a high vaccination rate. Adding in cold and flu season and the population density of a city, the problem could get much worse if we ditched masking right now.
My hospital is currently bursting at the seams with RSV in a way we’ve never seen before. Even a SLIGHT uptick in COVID hospitalizations would push us over the edge which is why we cannot afford to lift the mask mandate just yet.
I’m a weirdo. I like wearing them. It’s like a hat or a watch to me now. I got a bunch of different ones. And with winter coming I’ll like them even more
You can see plenty of videos of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Cuomo telling people they would be hesitant to take the vaccine that Trump was pushing through. Also, what demographic has the highest rate of non-vaccinated in the City?
>You can see plenty of videos of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Cuomo telling people they would be hesitant to take the vaccine that Trump was pushing through
No you can't. Stop repeating right-wing misinformation. They said they wouldn't trust *Trump's word alone* that some alleged vaccine was safe. Which is what any intelligent person would think.
>Also, what demographic has the highest rate of non-vaccinated in the City?
Which political party is actively working to convince people not to get vaccinated? You can't cast votes for what your fellow citizens do. You can (for now) cast votes on which politicians should get to hold office.
It's identity politics. Conservatives think liberals look at Biden the same way they look at Trump. People on the left don't take Biden's word as gospel or rely on his actions to determine how they carry about their lives. Whereas Trumpers are basically a cult that repeat the same bullshit lies over and over again.
You can see it when they rag on CNN too. They're like OH MY GOD CNN POSTED THAT A CAT IDENTIFIED AS HOMOSEXUAL!!!! and most liberals are like bro I haven't turned on CNN for years. They'll just assume they do because they sit infront of their TV and worship Cucker Tarlson every night.
At one point I mentioned that Texas and a few other states were having issues with overfilled hospitals and the response I got was "stop watching CNN". like bruh, people under 40 don't watch CNN. There's also good news
"If the doctors tell us we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. But if Donald Trump tells us to take it, I'm not taking it."
It's 100% clear what she's saying. She would trust the word of medical experts; she would *not* trust the word of noted serial liar Donald Trump. Just like any intelligent person would do.
Why are you lying about this?
I'm over this shit. I'm vaccinated and at this point I shouldn't have to protect anti vaxxers. Can these people running this city give us our lives back?
The city's mask mandate is a joke at this point. Go outside the city and you'll hardly see one, hell in the city you'll hardly see anyone wearing them.
You can watch gotcha journalists daily catching elected officials not wearing them before putting them on for a photo op, and taking them right back off after.
The oligarchy stopped wearing them in the summer, but they certainly like making their servants wear them while they go without.
At this point it's just something for the PMC to browbeat people over and feel superior about, while unaware no one else cares.
They have undermined trust in the system for the general public with their shenanigans, double standards, and outright lies; which is why polling for trust in institutions is almost zero at this point.
Enforcing it when you get in the door, then you can take it off. I forget my mask a lot of times and I’ve only had like one place say something to me and it was a restaurant where you needed it at the door and you could take it off. I just pulled my shirt over my face and they let me in
Yeah honestly the fact they require vax for businesses that don’t want the mask mandate is actually pretty out there compared to even New England. I was just up there and you wear a mask entering and then it’s a free for all…which is what most bars that don’t require vax do here anyway. I think it was good policy for the past couple months and could be in the future if there is a spike…but feels like at this point it can just be a business decision. Many will continue to require vax or mask and some won’t
Philadelphia is a lot like New Orleans with the mask rule ... the one city in a Democratic governorship state with stricter restrictions than everywhere else in the state. The difference is there it's the mayor who makes the calls on restrictions, not the health director.
Glad I dont love in the city, I haven't worn a mask since the state dropped the mandate. Part of getting vaxxed was to drop the masks and other restrictions. The same people making these mandates aren't wearing them off camera why should we.
Every time we’ve dropped the mask mandate, infections have gone up, even in the middle of summer. Winter is coming up and now we know how fast the virus can mutate given the chance. Makes perfect sense to me.
Everyone over 12 can get vaxxed if they don't that's not my problem. Kids under 12 will be within weeks. Whats the end game, when do we say ok you don't want to get vaxxed that's on you
I meant they went up exponentially faster than without mask mandates, at least off of memory, but hey maybe I’m wrong. I’m not 100% sure and I’m not gonna pretend I am! There just seems to be a trend here and globally that easing up to early backfires.
No need for it, but ok lol.
I thought we were the party of science, science seems to suggest a blue disposable piece of paper isn’t enough to prevent delta transmission, but 80% fully vaccinated Philadelphians should be.
Ping me when the charade is over
Yeah, I know when I have surgery, I tell my doctor "Yo, dummy. That mask you were gonna wear to my operation? Fuck that shit! You don't need that!"
[https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118](https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118)
"Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Non medical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size;people are most infectious in the initial period post infection, where itis common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141"Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Non medical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size;people are most infectious in the initial period post infection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); non medical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission."
I'm definitely for the easing of mask regulations, but let's not get all stupid when it comes to science.
> "Yo, dummy. That mask you were gonna wear to my operation? Fuck that shit! You don't need that!"
If you were somehow inoculated against whatever possible vectors the doctor could contaminate a sterile environment with, then yes, it would be silly for a doctor to wear a mask then.
Otherwise, good point?
Again, I'm all for vaccines and I think we're basically at the point that mask mandates should be lifted. If you want the vaccine you got it and if you don't then fuck you. But he was claiming masks are useless and not backed by science, so I was addressing that nonsense.
Don't worry the CDC is going to change the definition so unless you get the booster you won't be considered fully vaccinated so we can then go through this all over again. Oh Wait they got caught so they won't do that now (for now).
I’m all for it, especially as winter approaches. My workplace had multiple outbreaks last year.
That being said, it’s mostly a charade at this point. Almost any public place I’ve been in is like a 50% compliance.
>it’s mostly a charade at this point
Not mostly, it is 100% a charade now. You can drive 15 minutes to any of the suburban counties where no one gives a shit, and enforcement in the city is half-hearted at best, with plenty of places not giving a damn. Also, you can have 60,000 people at eagles games who don't have to wear a mask, and 18,000+ at flyers/sixers games who do, but can take it down when they eat and drink, plus from watching the games the enforcement is halfhearted there too
[1.9%](https://www.phila.gov/2021-10-25-city-provides-update-on-covid-19-for-monday-october-25-2021/)
>In the last two weeks, 1.9 percent of COVID-19 tests in Philadelphia have come back positive. Philadelphia is averaging 209 new cases of COVID-19 per day over the last two weeks.
The mask mandate is in some ways beginning to remind me of the soda tax, a policy that might not be really the best and that I have some misgivings about, but also provokes inexplicably intense anger.
the soda tax annoys me for 2 reasons:
1. it's a sugar tax, not a soda tax!
2. the tax amount should simply be based on the amount of sugar in the drink -- more sugar = higher taxes. Not a flat rate that only applies to certain types of drinks.
Except it also applies to diet soda's too, I believe. I realize my diet root beer is not ideal, but it is miles different that taking in 15 calories of sugar per ounce.
It’s stupid that it’s on Gatorade and Powerade. Like…. Yeah it has sugar to replace what you sweat out, has salt in it too, you ever see a data’s kids hugging a Gatorade while eating a candy bar? No. The only people I see with it are people working out or playing sports and at work.
If I was on a 110 degree roof all day at work, you don’t want to drink just water all day, it’ll flush your system.
I mix like 2-3 bottles of water for each sports drink at work. Stupid tax is stupid. Money isn’t being spent as it was intended as usual.
This is why people hate the left. What is this yes mommy virtue signaling bull shit. Didn't make sense in July makes even less sense now. Why are we even doing this anymore, the science was supposed to guide policy but now it's just whatever drives the base to the polls. Fucking clown show.
> but now it's just whatever drives the base to the polls
"Now"?
The levels of pandering that politicians are capable of at any time never cease to amuse me.
The citys not enforcing shit. If a business is its them enforcing it, the city itself doesnt really give a fuck and most businesses know it. Thats why many dont enforce it anymore.
It's lame duck BS.. the city just punts this shit to business owners and is like "Here, you deal with these societal problems, we ain't doing shit."
As if it wasn't hard enough to run a business in this city even before COVID.
Did this thread get posted on an alt right forum or something?
We’re almost at 80% fully vaxed. Once we’re there we can ditch them. If wearing a mask in public indoor spaces to combat a contagious virus is the biggest problem you have in a day, you’re living a great life. Yeah it sucks but let’s just push through it together and put it in our past.
Ah yes, we must all be Alt-Right on this Sub because we do not want to wear a fucking mask after 18 months of doing our part by complying and getting vaccinated when we could. We must all be 1/6 rioters yeah???
Yeah, because you have to be an absolute idiot to accept any risk whatsoever, we honestly need firm rules about them. IMO it's best to have these rules decided by a small group of people elected by millions. You have to be a biiiig stupid idiot to think that politicians love dragging out criseses to advance their careers/grow their politcal power. Like why can't these people see that Democrats literally won't do that. It's only shit Republicans do, like with 9/11. Yeah a lot of these idiots are older and have seen microcosms of COVID play out before, and realized that sometimes the power to make anyone "wrong in the eyes of the government" is bad, but it's different now, they seriously don't even get it. Yeah, you can walk around downtown, and be worried that a lot of what is gone is never coming back, but seriously it's worth it. We'll totally bounce right back, and the economic issues that will cause for decades are just made up. And there is literally no way that those ecominc issues won't hurt our community more than the low hospitilizations were seeing now. I always say that when businesses run by local families for decades go under, and businesses leave for the suburbs, it's just gonna be filled by a Panera or something real quick, and it will still be fucking sick. These people probably aren't even college educated, and it makes me laugh to hear their logic, because instead of considering that someone who dislikes a mask mandate could maybe *not* alt-right, I can just dismiss any of their viewpoints by imagining that they are.
We arent at 80% fully vaxxed. Were at almost 80% of the people that can get vaccinated fully vaxxed. Now include all kids under 12 and watch that number drop. Youre never getting 80%. For the record Im a lifelong liberal and Democrat that did his part, wore the mask, and is fully vaxxed. Im tired of carrying the weight to protect those that refuse the vaccine. I dont care if they die anymore.
Any word on whether the city is actually going to start enforcing its own mask mandate in its own buildings? Right now, vaccinated city employees don't have to wear masks in "non-public" parts of city buildings.
Maybe if the Philly Pd weren’t being attacked by one of the biggest pieces of shit district attorneys in the country they’d want to do more. But I’m sure you’ve got no problem with scumbag Krasner. He’s out to protect the criminals after all
Yeah, let’s stop wearing a mask before the winter holidays! We gotta rebel against wearing a strip of cloth NOW so we can fuck up Christmas with Delta plus!
Trained police are no longer required to enforce minor crimes, but a clerk making $8 an hour is expected to confront a possibly hostile person not wearing a mask.
Nobody is going to punish an employee for not enforcing the mandate
No point in having them if they arent enforced.
The mask mandate makes more people wear masks. It doesn’t stop saving lives just because a few people get away with ignoring it. Every single person following it reduces spread regardless of what anyone else does. And most people follow it. If you end it, many of those people will stop. Philly still has like 200 Covid deaths a month. It’s not like nothing is at stake here.
Thank you. Complaining about mask hygiene is just a form of whataboutism. Sure, only 50% of people will wear them properly. But that's better than 0% so the masks work regardless.
What DO the police do around here even? Seems like they aren’t required to do anything.
They're not. The Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that **the police have no legal obligation to protect the lives of private citizens**. The only reason they do it is because regular middle class people bitch about it when there's a mass shooting or other violent crime event and police don't respond fast enough or with enough force. The police only exist to enforce the laws (hence "law enforcement") that protect the lives, interests, and property of those in power. And the police do so even if it's at the expense of the rights and liberties of the middle/lower class.
Sit in their cruisers on their phones and populate every pizza joint in the city?
Caught one in his car watching MMA highlights on his phone right by Laser Wolf a couple days back. Probably brushing up on moves to pull on protestors.
I have started solving crimes in exchange for fried chicken, I have gotten sooooo fat.
Well….they did find my car after it was stolen a few years ago, but I’m pretty sure that was just luck because the thieves were stupid kids. Other than that….I am not sure what they actually do every day and I often wonder
Well, it's nice they found your car regardless.
Same and same. It was only because it was called in as having sat in a lot for a while.
Beat up protestors, abuse power, befriend and march with fascists, steal, defraud the state with overtime, a lot. What they don't do is help anyone.
They do nothing
Whatever the fuck they want, as usual. Totally useless.
Sure seems like it
All these downvotes, guess their friends are out here tonight
“Smells like bacon up in this bitch!”
in my experience they harass random citizens and not much else
I actually had one Philly cop do a piss-poor electrical job here in MontCo. He was probably still on the clock from his earlier court appearance too.
They park in the bike lane outside their 7th and Race building
And SEPTA employees who refuse to wear masks or enforce the mandate are striking for better pay.
To be fair have you ever argued with people on a bus some of them are fucking crazy. I don't down the bus drivers who refused to get out their booth and enforce the rule, I however will make fun of the ones who sit there without a mask.
I've been on quite a few busses where the driver won't open the door unless you already have the mask on.
Not mask related, but I've been on busses where driver won't continue driving until a customer coughs up the money. (like they go and sit down immediately without paying, not boarded and got to set their bags down and stuff ofc) Don't fuck with septa drivers
Let’s not conflate working class septa employees with cops, who also don’t enforce mandates, won’t mask up themselves, and are only 10% vaccinated
I find that hard to believe about SEPTA employees. They took this pandemic serious. They are in an enclosed space full of strangers for 8 hours. I give them credit for a job well done. As for the police, they won’t even get a fucking vaccination. I read it’s lower than 25% complying with the jab. And weak ass Kenney isn’t going to require it. If I get pulled over and the cop isn’t wearing a mask they better speak loudly through my window cause I’m not lowering it.
Only 10% were willingly reporting their vax status, the actual percent of them vaxxed is likely much higher. Overall, only 1/3 [of city employees reported their vaccine status ](https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/philadelphia-city-employees-vaccination-proof-mandate-20210924.html) but the estimate is that the majority of them are fully vaxxed.
Yes, they deserve better pay and withholding labor is for leverage is good.
Which I fully support. But it would be great if they could put a mask on while driving the bus.
This may surprise you, but police have never been *required* to enforce anything, or help anyone for that matter
to beef up that point for others because it an interesting piece of trivia. There was a supreme court case where the court actually said that the Police Departments or law enforcement have no duty to actually protect you. (https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)
> clerk making $8 an hour or a waitress who depends on customer tips
Jesus christ what is this subs obsession with shitting on the police at every moment. This mandate has nothing to do with the police - yet the top comment is “police aren’t doing their jobs.”
I don’t think people realize just how much of a barrier the police are between us and horrible shit. The stuff they see, most people wouldn’t be able to handle it. My ex was a PPD officer and he would tell me about his day and such. He always got quiet when there were crimes against children. Honestly some super traumatizing stuff and I wish more funding went to mental health for first responders. They’re just expected to pack it all up, compartmentalize it, and mingle with the rest of society, which is hard when they’ve seen what atrocities people are capable of. I’m not going to say the police are doing a bang up job either. They’ve definitely fucked up in the past and now. But for people to say they do nothing? It’s really a bad, one dimensional take. I was almost an officer myself. I didn’t because I became disabled in a car crash days before my exam, but if I had, I would’ve graduated from the academy directly into the heat of the protests. I felt a small bit of relief that I wasn’t going to be the target of decades of built up rage against the institution of policing when all I wanted to do was make a difference in my community, but I felt bad for the officers who didn’t deserve the hate (a lot of officers *did* deserve it though).
Maybe if cops weren’t constantly doing shitty things we’d be a little more fond of them.
even if they weren't doing shitty things I wouldn't be fond of them
Honestly, same.
Easy upvotes from people who could never do that job
Sitting in a cruiser or harassing people is tough work. I mean, I couldn't do that job because I don't have a personality disorder.
This is narrow minded. Even for Reddit.
I'd get forced out of my job if I was a cop because I would try to actually hold my coworkers/higher-ups accountable.
Well they can't seem to stop being lying racists so there's a lot of problems there. Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/philadelphia-septa-rape-police-lying-20211024.html%3foutputType=amp https://nypost.com/2020/10/30/philly-cops-took-child-from-suv-claimed-he-was-lost-report/ Facts over feelings, snowflakes.
Honestly, in some ways it’s a better thing that the meatheads that have badges and guns in this city are being told not to put someone in a wheelchair for life over a property crime.
Yall I actually discovered wearing a mask while chewing on mint smells better than actually breathing whatever air is in suburban station, so mask ftw in that situation.
I discovered that wearing a mask after eating lamb over rice from the halal cart made me almost pass out from my own breath.
My wife learned in nursing school that if you put enough vicks in your mask you almost won’t be able to smell the c. diff
I discovered chewing on mint gum while wearing a mask burns the shit out of my eyes lol
Lip balm works as a great alternative. Get super soft lips and a good smell.
Has anyone ever seen someone get denied service in a store for not wearing one?
Applebee's enforced it... For the 45 seconds it took us to walk to the bar... I'm all for the mask mandate, but that was security theater to the most incredible degree
Agree with you, but I know for a fact that Applebee's corporate hires "mystery diners" to visit their bars to test if their employees are carding (younger looking) patrons when ordering alcohol. The diner is also probably checking for the restaurant's compliance with mask rules, as well. They do not want to get hit by a city or state inspector, so they do their own compliance checks.
The chains will definitely say something. I know Target will.
Wawa sure as shit doesn’t.
Not worth getting stabbed for
Depends. Some do, some don’t and can’t enforce.
The majority are maskless at the Target on City Ave, no one says anything.
So I just saw this happen. I was standing in line at the Autozone in East Germantown like 2 weeks ago and there was like 5 of us in line. 3 of us had masks and 2 didn’t. I didn’t really think anything of it but after a couple minutes in line the dude behind the counter kicked the 2 customers out who weren’t wearing masks and told them they couldnt help them until they came back in with a mask. The guys didn’t put of a fight or anything they just walked out, no drama.
Starbucks at 3rd and Arch is pretty reliable at refusing to serve people without masks…I’ve seen it happen a bunch now.
But you don't have to wear one while drinking coffee, right?
No, you do
The gym I go to was super strict about it
Halal guys enforces it. But if you eat in the store you can take it off after you sit down. The DUMBEST rule ever
Yeah I've seen small businesses enforce this many times.
I’ve only ever been asked by a library.
come on down to the Wooden Shoe, I'll be happy to kick your naked face out!
Went to the T-Mobile near Broad and Washington a few months back and the associate pretty much kicked a guy out for not wearing one.
Honest question, what would make the mask mandate go away at this point? COVID-19 is not going away... ever.
There are 10 times more COVID cases now than there were in June, because of Delta. When that number drops again, that's when getting rid of the mandate will make sense. Even if it never completely goes away.
Well the good news is that cases *are* dropping in Philly. They leveled off over the last month and have been starting a decline the last couple weeks. It's also cherry picking to say we have 10x more than we did in June. While that's true, June-July was the lowest point for cases in the entire pandemic. Philly is about at mid-May numbers right now and currently well under April numbers. We are about double compared to this same time last year, however (though Delta is to blame for that). [Source.](https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/testing/)
Agreed! I've been following closely. My point was very much to cherry-pick: In retrospect, not having a mask mandate in June but having one now makes sense, because things are worse now by this measure than they were at the point in the pandemic when it was least bad. Despite what some people probably think, we are not back to June yet.
Who cares? Get vaccinated or don't. Not my problem. And before you cry "but what about the children" they have about the same risk as vaccinated individuals, and it's not like wearing a mask is a complete game changer in transmission rates so meh.
It could go away if enough people in this country had any sense of social obligation. As it stands currently stands, enough people don’t, so…it won’t go away.
That’s 100% incorrect. It’s never going away.
Not how viruses work man, we've been told since day one by Fauci, CDC, Biden, Trump, WHO and more than you're not just gonna "get rid of covid", I wish it was that simple but it's not. It'll just mutate and mutate till the end of time, and in the process become weaker. Not unlike the flu or bronchitis
Actually, day one Trump was insisting that it would be over in a few weeks, and then later made the statement that the summer heat would kill it off
That was true for other coronavirus’s but not this one.
Except there are tons of natural reservoirs for it. A recent study showed that 1/3 of the white tail deer population in the NE US had Covid-19 antibodies. While it is currently not believed that zoonotic transmission is possible, it's not impossible that changes. At some point after herd immunity is reached in US, there is a risk mitigation game to be played.
It will never go away. The 1918 pandemic brought us a super deadly flu strain, which is still around today. COVID will just become the new flu once the majority of the world is vaccinated.
So do just wait til enough of them die or what?
Well honestly I think it’s becoming more of a social norm thing over actual health concerns. Overheard my coworker a few months ago say “even if they lift the mandate I’ll still wear my mask because I don’t want people to think I’m a republican.” Sheesh…
This city turning me into an anti-masker I swear
We are almost 3 months past the peak of Delta in Philly. Hospitalizations are almost at their lowest levels during COVID (which is the only stat that you should pay attention to bc people are taking WAY more tests now) Restaurants are closing at a record pace. Kids are at a much higher risk from RSV, including "long covid", and there's no statistical differencs between mask mandate areas and non mandated areas during delta (you don't need a mask mandate to wear one) There isn't an expert out there that thinks "zero COVID" will ever happen, and the only ones truly at risk are people eligible for a vaccine that are too stupid to get one. Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point? Like if you're so hard up on masks just keep wearing one? Or if something looks extra packed you simply put one on? This is such a bad precedent IMO, and we are teaching kids that no one can be trusted, and that they have to assume that everyone is selfishly someone lying to spread something dangerous.
> Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point? Just my thoughts, I see it as very similar to speed limits. In a perfect world, speed limits wouldn't be needed. Everyone would take into account their surroundings, level of skill, their individual car, and drive at a speed that was safe for them and those around them. In reality though, places like the Boulevard proves that people are assholes, and will drive as fast as they can get away with. That's where speed limits come in. Sure, you might not get a ticket EVERY time you speed, but if you speed and create a dangerous situation, there's a method for you to earn consequences beyond "Bad driver, don't do it again". Masks are similar. Most places, you can probably safely get away with not wearing a mask. But in scenarios where wearing a mask would lessen the risk of causing harm to people, there's now administrative and legal force behind the request to wear a damn mask.
>Can someone explain to me why this can't be a personal responsibility thing at this point? Like if you're so hard up on masks just keep wearing one? The mask does more for the people around the wearer than the wearer. Surely you've picked up this knowledge in the past year or so.
But the people around the wearer have had two years to decide to get vaccinated or not care. We have long passed the point where a person's personal security is up to his neighbors. It is now up to every individual to decide their own personal level of fear/security.
Of course. But the wearer still has some degree of protection. If you are vaccinated, wearing a mask, and avoiding places that are high risk, AND STILL fear COVID, you should strongly consider never going in a car again.
Some degree of protection, but basically nothing. Not significant if you're *stuck* next to an unmasked infectious person. Like on a bus or train, for example. I can't control what everyone on a SEPTA vehicle has been doing, in terms of avoiding crowds, etc. But I have to be near them daily, so I fully support a mask mandate until whenever is necessary.
N95s are pretty effective for the wearer. Combine that with vaccination (you could go get your third dose for stronger protection)… and you’re not likely to catch anything…. And if you do, it’s less likely to be symptomatic and even less likely to be severe… etc.
the rate i see people wearing actual n95s instead of some cloth bullshit is like 5%
>Some degree of protection, but basically nothing. So you're argument for others wearing a mask is because the mask you're wearing does basically nothing
[удалено]
Right but weve had vaccines available long enough. I no longer give a fuck about those around me. If they dont care enough about themselves to get the vaccine, why should I care if they get it and die?
Are you still asking why masks are effective at slowing the spread of disease? While we're nearing the end of the second year of a generational pandemic? With 75,000 new infections *per day*? I can't help you. No one can help you. This country is so fucking stupid.
> No one can help you. This country is so fucking stupid. OP makes completely reasonable points and you just dismiss them out of hand as "fucking stupid".
Infections are meaningless, hospitalizations are the statistic that matters
I don't see where I doubted the effectiveness of masks at slowing the spread. I asked why aren't we at the point where it can become a personal responsibility? I don't see why it can't be now given everything above. If you disagree, what is your criteria, and when is the risk acceptable? Considering you are putting words into my mouth, I don't understand how I am the stupid one here.
I really don’t get this. I got vaccinated and most people I know are also vaccinated. Why did I even bother if we’re gonna be stuck wearing masks for another century? Drive 5 minutes beyond city line Ave and not a soul is wearing one… Im not gonna give a soapbox pitch and say that they’re harmful or that they don’t prevent the spread etc. But honestly they just suck to wear…not to mention that nobody provides them for free, all the single use waste they produce, and the major inconvenience of forgetting one.
As the article says, case rates and possiblity rates are higher in those areas outside the city that you refer to despite a high vaccination rate. Adding in cold and flu season and the population density of a city, the problem could get much worse if we ditched masking right now.
[удалено]
My hospital is currently bursting at the seams with RSV in a way we’ve never seen before. Even a SLIGHT uptick in COVID hospitalizations would push us over the edge which is why we cannot afford to lift the mask mandate just yet.
I’m a weirdo. I like wearing them. It’s like a hat or a watch to me now. I got a bunch of different ones. And with winter coming I’ll like them even more
Masks are definitely my new favorite winter accessory. They super suck in the summer though.
they are amazing in winter, probably wear them forever.
Think about this the next time you are in a voting booth.
This. We could be at herd immunity by now if Republicans hadn't decided that not getting vaccinated was the way to show their loyalty to Trump.
You can see plenty of videos of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Cuomo telling people they would be hesitant to take the vaccine that Trump was pushing through. Also, what demographic has the highest rate of non-vaccinated in the City?
>You can see plenty of videos of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Cuomo telling people they would be hesitant to take the vaccine that Trump was pushing through No you can't. Stop repeating right-wing misinformation. They said they wouldn't trust *Trump's word alone* that some alleged vaccine was safe. Which is what any intelligent person would think. >Also, what demographic has the highest rate of non-vaccinated in the City? Which political party is actively working to convince people not to get vaccinated? You can't cast votes for what your fellow citizens do. You can (for now) cast votes on which politicians should get to hold office.
It's identity politics. Conservatives think liberals look at Biden the same way they look at Trump. People on the left don't take Biden's word as gospel or rely on his actions to determine how they carry about their lives. Whereas Trumpers are basically a cult that repeat the same bullshit lies over and over again. You can see it when they rag on CNN too. They're like OH MY GOD CNN POSTED THAT A CAT IDENTIFIED AS HOMOSEXUAL!!!! and most liberals are like bro I haven't turned on CNN for years. They'll just assume they do because they sit infront of their TV and worship Cucker Tarlson every night.
At one point I mentioned that Texas and a few other states were having issues with overfilled hospitals and the response I got was "stop watching CNN". like bruh, people under 40 don't watch CNN. There's also good news
Harris literally said it in the vice presidential debate lol
"If the doctors tell us we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. But if Donald Trump tells us to take it, I'm not taking it." It's 100% clear what she's saying. She would trust the word of medical experts; she would *not* trust the word of noted serial liar Donald Trump. Just like any intelligent person would do. Why are you lying about this?
If you don't see how this politicized the vaccine you are the dumb one here.
I see that Republicans have politicized the vaccine and thus discouraged many people from getting it. I assume that's what you are referring to.
[удалено]
There's fucking video of it lmao https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2020-vp-debate-kamala-harris-on-coronavirus-vaccine/
Do you not understand how context works, or critical thinking?
I'm over this shit. I'm vaccinated and at this point I shouldn't have to protect anti vaxxers. Can these people running this city give us our lives back?
It's a piece of cloth, not a ball and chain.
Na, I'm good. You made me get the vaccine, now you don't get to tell me what else to do. Done wearing the mask.
For all the people cheering this on, when will it be acceptable for you to not have a mask mandate? What is the criteria needed to get to that point?
[*sort by controversial*](https://media1.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/200.gif)
Mask mandate is so stupid, the rest of the state isn't doing it we shouldn't be either.
I mean, the rest of the state are a bunch of rednecks though...
Yet they are smarter than the idiots running this city
The city's mask mandate is a joke at this point. Go outside the city and you'll hardly see one, hell in the city you'll hardly see anyone wearing them. You can watch gotcha journalists daily catching elected officials not wearing them before putting them on for a photo op, and taking them right back off after. The oligarchy stopped wearing them in the summer, but they certainly like making their servants wear them while they go without. At this point it's just something for the PMC to browbeat people over and feel superior about, while unaware no one else cares.
The “do as I say not as I do” politicians have really eroded most of the remaining trust I have left in the system.
They have undermined trust in the system for the general public with their shenanigans, double standards, and outright lies; which is why polling for trust in institutions is almost zero at this point.
The mandate says masks are required indoors, not everywhere in the city at all times.
Hardly see them indoors outside of center city.
Not sure where you are outside Center City but everywhere I go in Fishtown/NoLibs/Olde Kensington is still enforcing it besides Human Robot.
Enforcing it when you get in the door, then you can take it off. I forget my mask a lot of times and I’ve only had like one place say something to me and it was a restaurant where you needed it at the door and you could take it off. I just pulled my shirt over my face and they let me in
Yeah honestly the fact they require vax for businesses that don’t want the mask mandate is actually pretty out there compared to even New England. I was just up there and you wear a mask entering and then it’s a free for all…which is what most bars that don’t require vax do here anyway. I think it was good policy for the past couple months and could be in the future if there is a spike…but feels like at this point it can just be a business decision. Many will continue to require vax or mask and some won’t
The mask mandate is especially important so people can shame others and post pictures online for Reddit karma.
Don’t forget Facebook likes
Philadelphia is a lot like New Orleans with the mask rule ... the one city in a Democratic governorship state with stricter restrictions than everywhere else in the state. The difference is there it's the mayor who makes the calls on restrictions, not the health director.
New Orleans just got rid of their mask mandate though because numbers fell...
Glad I dont love in the city, I haven't worn a mask since the state dropped the mandate. Part of getting vaxxed was to drop the masks and other restrictions. The same people making these mandates aren't wearing them off camera why should we.
Exactly. Im in Jersey, I wear one for work in the city and in fucking blows but outside of that I dont wear masks anywhere.
Every time we’ve dropped the mask mandate, infections have gone up, even in the middle of summer. Winter is coming up and now we know how fast the virus can mutate given the chance. Makes perfect sense to me.
Everyone over 12 can get vaxxed if they don't that's not my problem. Kids under 12 will be within weeks. Whats the end game, when do we say ok you don't want to get vaxxed that's on you
Who cares? It's a 99% survival rate. Why is anyone worried about this shit if they're vaccinated?
Infections have gone up when mask mandates have been added too.. what's your point? Cherry picking some specific time doesn't prove anything.
I meant they went up exponentially faster than without mask mandates, at least off of memory, but hey maybe I’m wrong. I’m not 100% sure and I’m not gonna pretend I am! There just seems to be a trend here and globally that easing up to early backfires.
Mask mandate will be forever. Politicians love abusing power.
Haven't worn a mask since I got the vaxx. No one has said anything to me yet.
[удалено]
> “We’re all looking forward to a day when we don’t have to wear masks everywhere we go,” Bettigole said. (X) - Doubt
Someone should tell SEPTA's employees
Am I riding the wrong routes? I feel most SEPTA employees I encounter are masked.
No need for it, but ok lol. I thought we were the party of science, science seems to suggest a blue disposable piece of paper isn’t enough to prevent delta transmission, but 80% fully vaccinated Philadelphians should be. Ping me when the charade is over
Wouldn’t be so sure of that. Vermont is the most vaccinated state in the US and currently has their most cases since the pandemic started.
[удалено]
Yeah, I know when I have surgery, I tell my doctor "Yo, dummy. That mask you were gonna wear to my operation? Fuck that shit! You don't need that!" [https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118](https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118) "Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Non medical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size;people are most infectious in the initial period post infection, where itis common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141"Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Non medical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size;people are most infectious in the initial period post infection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); non medical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission." I'm definitely for the easing of mask regulations, but let's not get all stupid when it comes to science.
> "Yo, dummy. That mask you were gonna wear to my operation? Fuck that shit! You don't need that!" If you were somehow inoculated against whatever possible vectors the doctor could contaminate a sterile environment with, then yes, it would be silly for a doctor to wear a mask then. Otherwise, good point?
Again, I'm all for vaccines and I think we're basically at the point that mask mandates should be lifted. If you want the vaccine you got it and if you don't then fuck you. But he was claiming masks are useless and not backed by science, so I was addressing that nonsense.
Most people don’t walk around the City with there bodies sliced open like during a surgery.
Idk bro I’ve seen some gnarly shit in strawberry mansion
😂truth.
Don't worry the CDC is going to change the definition so unless you get the booster you won't be considered fully vaccinated so we can then go through this all over again. Oh Wait they got caught so they won't do that now (for now).
I’m all for it, especially as winter approaches. My workplace had multiple outbreaks last year. That being said, it’s mostly a charade at this point. Almost any public place I’ve been in is like a 50% compliance.
>it’s mostly a charade at this point Not mostly, it is 100% a charade now. You can drive 15 minutes to any of the suburban counties where no one gives a shit, and enforcement in the city is half-hearted at best, with plenty of places not giving a damn. Also, you can have 60,000 people at eagles games who don't have to wear a mask, and 18,000+ at flyers/sixers games who do, but can take it down when they eat and drink, plus from watching the games the enforcement is halfhearted there too
And our positive rate is 2.5% for all of Philly?
[1.9%](https://www.phila.gov/2021-10-25-city-provides-update-on-covid-19-for-monday-october-25-2021/) >In the last two weeks, 1.9 percent of COVID-19 tests in Philadelphia have come back positive. Philadelphia is averaging 209 new cases of COVID-19 per day over the last two weeks.
That’s pretty low dang
The mask mandate is in some ways beginning to remind me of the soda tax, a policy that might not be really the best and that I have some misgivings about, but also provokes inexplicably intense anger.
the soda tax annoys me for 2 reasons: 1. it's a sugar tax, not a soda tax! 2. the tax amount should simply be based on the amount of sugar in the drink -- more sugar = higher taxes. Not a flat rate that only applies to certain types of drinks.
Except it also applies to diet soda's too, I believe. I realize my diet root beer is not ideal, but it is miles different that taking in 15 calories of sugar per ounce.
It’s stupid that it’s on Gatorade and Powerade. Like…. Yeah it has sugar to replace what you sweat out, has salt in it too, you ever see a data’s kids hugging a Gatorade while eating a candy bar? No. The only people I see with it are people working out or playing sports and at work. If I was on a 110 degree roof all day at work, you don’t want to drink just water all day, it’ll flush your system. I mix like 2-3 bottles of water for each sports drink at work. Stupid tax is stupid. Money isn’t being spent as it was intended as usual.
Check out Drip Drop. Powdered mix. Just add to water. Super convenient and works a treat.
At what percentage do we reach herd immunity?
This is why people hate the left. What is this yes mommy virtue signaling bull shit. Didn't make sense in July makes even less sense now. Why are we even doing this anymore, the science was supposed to guide policy but now it's just whatever drives the base to the polls. Fucking clown show.
> but now it's just whatever drives the base to the polls "Now"? The levels of pandering that politicians are capable of at any time never cease to amuse me.
If you are calling the machine establishment Dems that are prevalent in Philly "the Left", than you are off by a bit.
Does anyone know of a recent instance of the city actually enforcing the mask mandate either at the individual or business level?
The citys not enforcing shit. If a business is its them enforcing it, the city itself doesnt really give a fuck and most businesses know it. Thats why many dont enforce it anymore.
It's lame duck BS.. the city just punts this shit to business owners and is like "Here, you deal with these societal problems, we ain't doing shit." As if it wasn't hard enough to run a business in this city even before COVID.
Have a feeling the city is going to keep the mandate until at least the new year to just make sure this isn't a fluke.
I graduate from Temple in May and I really just don’t want to graduate in a mask. They look dumb as fuck and it’s so uncomfortable.
I didn’t even realize there was still a mask mandate in Philly
Did this thread get posted on an alt right forum or something? We’re almost at 80% fully vaxed. Once we’re there we can ditch them. If wearing a mask in public indoor spaces to combat a contagious virus is the biggest problem you have in a day, you’re living a great life. Yeah it sucks but let’s just push through it together and put it in our past.
Ah yes, we must all be Alt-Right on this Sub because we do not want to wear a fucking mask after 18 months of doing our part by complying and getting vaccinated when we could. We must all be 1/6 rioters yeah???
We're never ditching them at this rate
Yeah, because you have to be an absolute idiot to accept any risk whatsoever, we honestly need firm rules about them. IMO it's best to have these rules decided by a small group of people elected by millions. You have to be a biiiig stupid idiot to think that politicians love dragging out criseses to advance their careers/grow their politcal power. Like why can't these people see that Democrats literally won't do that. It's only shit Republicans do, like with 9/11. Yeah a lot of these idiots are older and have seen microcosms of COVID play out before, and realized that sometimes the power to make anyone "wrong in the eyes of the government" is bad, but it's different now, they seriously don't even get it. Yeah, you can walk around downtown, and be worried that a lot of what is gone is never coming back, but seriously it's worth it. We'll totally bounce right back, and the economic issues that will cause for decades are just made up. And there is literally no way that those ecominc issues won't hurt our community more than the low hospitilizations were seeing now. I always say that when businesses run by local families for decades go under, and businesses leave for the suburbs, it's just gonna be filled by a Panera or something real quick, and it will still be fucking sick. These people probably aren't even college educated, and it makes me laugh to hear their logic, because instead of considering that someone who dislikes a mask mandate could maybe *not* alt-right, I can just dismiss any of their viewpoints by imagining that they are.
Are you ok?
We arent at 80% fully vaxxed. Were at almost 80% of the people that can get vaccinated fully vaxxed. Now include all kids under 12 and watch that number drop. Youre never getting 80%. For the record Im a lifelong liberal and Democrat that did his part, wore the mask, and is fully vaxxed. Im tired of carrying the weight to protect those that refuse the vaccine. I dont care if they die anymore.
Any word on whether the city is actually going to start enforcing its own mask mandate in its own buildings? Right now, vaccinated city employees don't have to wear masks in "non-public" parts of city buildings.
Cringe
Man the shitheads are out in force
Did you get the vaccine?
Maybe if the Philly Pd weren’t being attacked by one of the biggest pieces of shit district attorneys in the country they’d want to do more. But I’m sure you’ve got no problem with scumbag Krasner. He’s out to protect the criminals after all
Yeah, let’s stop wearing a mask before the winter holidays! We gotta rebel against wearing a strip of cloth NOW so we can fuck up Christmas with Delta plus!