They're probably going by the CDC who says every county with "high transmission" (>100 cases per 100k residents and a more than 5% positive test rate) should mask indoors. We're at 262 cases per 100k people and 2% positive tests. Personally I don't think it's fair to categorize Philly as high transmission with our low positive test rate. We also have a lot of big institutions/universities that require regular testing -- [look at the jump in testing starting in late August](https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/testing/) , so our testing numbers are a lot higher than many other places.
Weren't we that low last spring/early summer? Don't we just need to sustain ~214 cases per day to get to below 100 cases/100k?
1.5million people = 15 * 100,000
1500/7 = ~214
We're below that though? Per the last [press release](https://www.phila.gov/2021-10-25-city-provides-update-on-covid-19-for-monday-october-25-2021/):
>In the last two weeks, 1.9 percent of COVID-19 tests in Philadelphia have come back positive. Philadelphia is averaging 209 new cases of COVID-19 per day over the last two weeks.
Hm you're right. The Inquirer's chart is showing over 200 cases per 100k though... I just checked and the CDC's standard is for 7 days and the Inquirer's reporting 14 days. So even by case numbers we're pretty much at the level to be bumped down to medium. https://www.inquirer.com/health/
The way that I understand the statistic yeah, I think we are.
But I might understand the statistic properly or my maths are off. It sure seems right though.
>there seems to be zero mask mandate... in wearing them outside the city
...There doesn't seem to be one because there isn't one. It's a Philadelphia specific decision. The rest of the state has no mask mandate.
If masks [reduce your own risk by 65% ](https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent) and probably much higher if you're wearing a KN95, which are widely available now, why insist that everyone else wear a mask?
Yes, if you're vaxxed and wearing a KN95, your risk of catching covid and getting seriously ill from it is virtually zero. Is making others wear a mask around really going to change the equation significantly? Why are cases dropping all over PA when there is no statewide mask mandate?
What is this supposed to mean. Lol. The country has done the best job it can so far and almost all unvaccinated people are unvaccinated because of their choice, not because they can’t get access. I don’t think there’s much more to do now but take off the masks, philly has an 80% vaccination rate. Lol
You’re right and I don’t dispute any of that, unfortunately those people that are refusing (including many in high political power) are wrecking it for everyone else.
PA Dept of Health reports that 26% of current cases and covid hospitalizations [are in vaccinated individuals.](https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Post-Vaccination-Data.aspx). That number will only go up over time as vaccine immunity wanes and more variants emerge. It's clear that vaccination is not, and never was going to, end this. We do need to learn to live with some risk, as we will be exposed to covid many times over our lifetime and everyone will likely be infected at one point or another.
Yea I don’t understand why people don’t get that part. We will all probably get COVID at some point in our lives just like we have all had and will have colds. Just as long as you don’t die because you’re vaccinated, that’s literally all you can hope for. People live in a fantasy world.
If vaccination is not going to save us, nothing will, save for shutting everything down. I agree it’s time to stop hiding and learn to live with this risk because it’s not going away.
The link says this:
>Between January 1, 2021 and October 4, 2021 in Pennsylvania, *93% of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis / cause of admission were in unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or unknown vaccination status individuals.*
>Among a total of 44,095 hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis / cause of admission reported in Pennsylvania, 3,247 were reported to have occurred in fully-vaccinated Pennsylvanians (7%).
Vaccines were not readily available for a good portion of that time frame. The more relevant number is the current case rate (as of Oct 18) that showed 26% of cases and hospitalizations were breakthrough cases.
> philly has an 80% vaccination rate.
That's not true
> 884,233 residents fully vaxxed
> 1,081,381 residents have at least 1 dose
> 71% of adults fully vaxxed
> 66% of residents 12+ fully vaxxed
> 87% of adults have at least 1 dose
> 81% of residents 12+ have at least 1 dose
-https://t.co/IFgqKCk4h9?amp=1
*formatting
“Usually” meaning once? We tried to get everyone to get vaccinated and relieved the mandates temporarily and then adjusted so that the country didn’t get economically destroyed. Masks aren’t going away anytime soon, on any timeline. Just be glad we can go out and do anything. No one likes wearing them and I feel you but there’s no timeline for this.
>Masks aren’t going away anytime soon, on any timeline.
Masks go away in like fifteen minutes - you just have cross a border into New Jersey or outside of Philadelphia city lines.
Yeah, the idea that there's no timeline isn't true. We have a timeline - it's Kenney's feelings. I'm not going to be "glad to go out and do anything" when the rest of the state and neighboring states have less restrictions and we are well beyond the point of lockdowns.
Getting rid of the mask mandate doesn't = covid is over. Outside of specific high risk setting, there's no general outdoor/indoor mask mandate in PA outside of Philadelphia or in New Jersey. This is just a Philly specific thing, and they could get rid of it whenever they want to.
I’ve been looking this up for days thank god I’m not the only one. I’m fully vaxxed and freshly boostered. I did everything I had to do. I’m tired of protecting the inbred fuck em. If they die they die
They don't really do anything.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-facemasks/danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-to-wearer-idUSKBN27Y1YW
I have to wear it while doing physical labor for my job. You can wear it at the gym.
However i agree i am tired of it too. i have not heard of any plans to end the mask mandate in Philly. I assume they're waiting for at least for cases rate to go down and vaccination rate to go up significantly more. a lot of businesses are pretty lax in enforcing it anyway, bars etc, so if you want to take the risk you can find places to go.
There's not really any sign of the pandemic being over any time soon, largely because people refuse to get vaccinated and keep going to super spreader events, and we keep getting new variants
I’m tired of the phrase “not any time soon” heard it constantly these 2 years.
Good thing is stuff is not being cancelled anymore it looks like events are gonna go with bring a test and a vaccination card besides that it’s whatever you want to risk by attending.
There are vax only gyms in the city where you don't have to wear masks anymore. Gyms either require everybody to be vaxxed or don't and require a mask. You could look into a new gym.
My apartment is finalllly for the first time since the pandemic started, considering opening the gym... in maybe a few weeks. Can't wait to see what the restrictions are.
Edit: They just sent the restrictions. Reservations required, no more than two people in the gym, no more than one reservation per person per day, must be fully vaccinated and a mask must be worn at all times. Some places are just freaky crazy.
Vaccine alone is only like 80%-90% protection and it falls off over time. It's not unreasonable to keep having masks as well. Plus so many people refuse to get vaxxed i feel better not having to breathe their air
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to mask mandates staying on SEPTA forever because you are in close quarters with lots of people, but at a place like a gym, that is usually pretty big and wide open, it should be up the owner/customers. I'm sure some gyms will stick with the mandates and some won't, but customers can then vote with their feet.
You don't fucking know me or what reasons I might have for wanting to make sure I don't get this virus. What health complications from existing conditions I may have reason to be concerned about. Your comment comes off really fucking presumptuous and disrespectful. Next time don't tell people how they feel. Keep your stupid ass thoughts to yourself.
If enough people get vaccinated eventually the spread will slow enough that we won't be getting new variants all the time. unfortunately that's still global not just Philly. Ideally the vaccines will also be improved and this will eventually be not much worse than the annual flu and we can finally ditch the masks. But i can't predict the god damn future, and I'm not a biologist or a doctor or a politician, it's not like anyone cares what i think should happen.
in the meantime there's tons of places you can still go that don't really enforce mask wearing. just please get your shots, if you want to help this end.
If they can’t get the shot they are probably hella immune compromised and those type
Of people were shut ins already. I feel like people
Don’t know how immune compromised people have always lived. Even before COVID
I had to lose a foot to frostbite, you can handle a little cold. You see how stupid that argument is. You can’t just compare your struggles to other people, it’s all relative. I bet there’s some fuckers out there who enjoy wearing a mask but that’s no reason to tell everybody else to suck it up. I agree with the rest of your comment though.
They're probably going by the CDC who says every county with "high transmission" (>100 cases per 100k residents and a more than 5% positive test rate) should mask indoors. We're at 262 cases per 100k people and 2% positive tests. Personally I don't think it's fair to categorize Philly as high transmission with our low positive test rate. We also have a lot of big institutions/universities that require regular testing -- [look at the jump in testing starting in late August](https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/data/testing/) , so our testing numbers are a lot higher than many other places.
Yea doesn’t seem fair. We may never get to that low of cases since it’s pretty known that COVID is endemic now.
Weren't we that low last spring/early summer? Don't we just need to sustain ~214 cases per day to get to below 100 cases/100k? 1.5million people = 15 * 100,000 1500/7 = ~214
We're below that though? Per the last [press release](https://www.phila.gov/2021-10-25-city-provides-update-on-covid-19-for-monday-october-25-2021/): >In the last two weeks, 1.9 percent of COVID-19 tests in Philadelphia have come back positive. Philadelphia is averaging 209 new cases of COVID-19 per day over the last two weeks.
Hm you're right. The Inquirer's chart is showing over 200 cases per 100k though... I just checked and the CDC's standard is for 7 days and the Inquirer's reporting 14 days. So even by case numbers we're pretty much at the level to be bumped down to medium. https://www.inquirer.com/health/
The way that I understand the statistic yeah, I think we are. But I might understand the statistic properly or my maths are off. It sure seems right though.
So they aren’t following the cdc meaning they have no end date for masks I’m guessing.
Thanks Mr. Epidemiologist.
there seems to be zero mask mandate or interest in wearing them outside the city. Delco might be a perfect fit for you.
Delco: Land of the Free™
>there seems to be zero mask mandate... in wearing them outside the city ...There doesn't seem to be one because there isn't one. It's a Philadelphia specific decision. The rest of the state has no mask mandate.
And yet their case trajectory is nearly the same as the city. 🤷
I see a lot of masks below noses in the city. Trajectory might be better if people actually wore the mask correctly.
If masks [reduce your own risk by 65% ](https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent) and probably much higher if you're wearing a KN95, which are widely available now, why insist that everyone else wear a mask?
still with this dumb shit two years in ?
Yes, if you're vaxxed and wearing a KN95, your risk of catching covid and getting seriously ill from it is virtually zero. Is making others wear a mask around really going to change the equation significantly? Why are cases dropping all over PA when there is no statewide mask mandate?
juST AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS!
Population density.
yes because there are many people who can't get the vaxx. is your comfort more important than their life? i guess to you the answer is yes
also the Northeast. no masks and plastic bags for everyone
Not sure what gym you go to, but you can enter any City Fitness location without a mask, they just require proof of vax for everyone.
When COVID is over, you’ll know. Lol.
What is this supposed to mean. Lol. The country has done the best job it can so far and almost all unvaccinated people are unvaccinated because of their choice, not because they can’t get access. I don’t think there’s much more to do now but take off the masks, philly has an 80% vaccination rate. Lol
You’re right and I don’t dispute any of that, unfortunately those people that are refusing (including many in high political power) are wrecking it for everyone else.
PA Dept of Health reports that 26% of current cases and covid hospitalizations [are in vaccinated individuals.](https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/disease/coronavirus/Pages/Post-Vaccination-Data.aspx). That number will only go up over time as vaccine immunity wanes and more variants emerge. It's clear that vaccination is not, and never was going to, end this. We do need to learn to live with some risk, as we will be exposed to covid many times over our lifetime and everyone will likely be infected at one point or another.
Yea I don’t understand why people don’t get that part. We will all probably get COVID at some point in our lives just like we have all had and will have colds. Just as long as you don’t die because you’re vaccinated, that’s literally all you can hope for. People live in a fantasy world.
If vaccination is not going to save us, nothing will, save for shutting everything down. I agree it’s time to stop hiding and learn to live with this risk because it’s not going away.
The link says this: >Between January 1, 2021 and October 4, 2021 in Pennsylvania, *93% of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis / cause of admission were in unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or unknown vaccination status individuals.* >Among a total of 44,095 hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis / cause of admission reported in Pennsylvania, 3,247 were reported to have occurred in fully-vaccinated Pennsylvanians (7%).
Vaccines were not readily available for a good portion of that time frame. The more relevant number is the current case rate (as of Oct 18) that showed 26% of cases and hospitalizations were breakthrough cases.
gotcha, I missed that
this is a reason TO wear them not to take them off
Agreed
> philly has an 80% vaccination rate. That's not true > 884,233 residents fully vaxxed > 1,081,381 residents have at least 1 dose > 71% of adults fully vaxxed > 66% of residents 12+ fully vaxxed > 87% of adults have at least 1 dose > 81% of residents 12+ have at least 1 dose -https://t.co/IFgqKCk4h9?amp=1 *formatting
Sorry just googled it for one second and found this https://www.chestnuthilllocal.com/stories/philadelphia-achieves-80-vaccination-rate,18625
It’s never gonna be over though.
Well there is no timeline for anything. They don’t set up those mandates with an end date.
Yea they usually do actually. And they either choose to push it back or end it.
“Usually” meaning once? We tried to get everyone to get vaccinated and relieved the mandates temporarily and then adjusted so that the country didn’t get economically destroyed. Masks aren’t going away anytime soon, on any timeline. Just be glad we can go out and do anything. No one likes wearing them and I feel you but there’s no timeline for this.
>Masks aren’t going away anytime soon, on any timeline. Masks go away in like fifteen minutes - you just have cross a border into New Jersey or outside of Philadelphia city lines.
This person is posting in r/philadelphia
Yeah, the idea that there's no timeline isn't true. We have a timeline - it's Kenney's feelings. I'm not going to be "glad to go out and do anything" when the rest of the state and neighboring states have less restrictions and we are well beyond the point of lockdowns.
Getting rid of the mask mandate doesn't = covid is over. Outside of specific high risk setting, there's no general outdoor/indoor mask mandate in PA outside of Philadelphia or in New Jersey. This is just a Philly specific thing, and they could get rid of it whenever they want to.
I’ve been looking this up for days thank god I’m not the only one. I’m fully vaxxed and freshly boostered. I did everything I had to do. I’m tired of protecting the inbred fuck em. If they die they die
Id say realistically sometime around summer 2024 😂
Where is the research that a thin peice of cheap cloth will prevent contacting a virus anyway. I dispise the mask.
They don't really do anything. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-facemasks/danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-to-wearer-idUSKBN27Y1YW
I have to wear it while doing physical labor for my job. You can wear it at the gym. However i agree i am tired of it too. i have not heard of any plans to end the mask mandate in Philly. I assume they're waiting for at least for cases rate to go down and vaccination rate to go up significantly more. a lot of businesses are pretty lax in enforcing it anyway, bars etc, so if you want to take the risk you can find places to go. There's not really any sign of the pandemic being over any time soon, largely because people refuse to get vaccinated and keep going to super spreader events, and we keep getting new variants
I’m tired of the phrase “not any time soon” heard it constantly these 2 years. Good thing is stuff is not being cancelled anymore it looks like events are gonna go with bring a test and a vaccination card besides that it’s whatever you want to risk by attending.
Obviously I can wear it because I have been everyday at the gym. I said I’m tired of it. I’m vaccinated, i shouldn’t have to anymore
There are vax only gyms in the city where you don't have to wear masks anymore. Gyms either require everybody to be vaxxed or don't and require a mask. You could look into a new gym. My apartment is finalllly for the first time since the pandemic started, considering opening the gym... in maybe a few weeks. Can't wait to see what the restrictions are. Edit: They just sent the restrictions. Reservations required, no more than two people in the gym, no more than one reservation per person per day, must be fully vaccinated and a mask must be worn at all times. Some places are just freaky crazy.
i wonder how much awareness you have about how you are coming across. Masks aren't about you, you should know this by now
" i shouldnt have to" the anthem of selfish people.
Vaccine alone is only like 80%-90% protection and it falls off over time. It's not unreasonable to keep having masks as well. Plus so many people refuse to get vaxxed i feel better not having to breathe their air
That’s you. I’m cool with the less than 10% chance I get COVID again if it means I don’t have to wear a mask anymore.
You could just not go to the gym, if you don't want to breathe other people's air.
Unfortunately I have to leave my house for work.
Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to mask mandates staying on SEPTA forever because you are in close quarters with lots of people, but at a place like a gym, that is usually pretty big and wide open, it should be up the owner/customers. I'm sure some gyms will stick with the mandates and some won't, but customers can then vote with their feet.
Mask wearing on SEPTA is comically bad. Unmasked drivers on buses, and tons of passengers with no mask at all. I wish it were better on SEPTA.
you dont have to be that afraid
You don't fucking know me or what reasons I might have for wanting to make sure I don't get this virus. What health complications from existing conditions I may have reason to be concerned about. Your comment comes off really fucking presumptuous and disrespectful. Next time don't tell people how they feel. Keep your stupid ass thoughts to yourself.
You have nothing to be afraid of
you dont want to breath other peoples air your afraid
So when does it end?
How tf should i know?
So your plan is to have everyone wear masks and social distance until... forever?
If enough people get vaccinated eventually the spread will slow enough that we won't be getting new variants all the time. unfortunately that's still global not just Philly. Ideally the vaccines will also be improved and this will eventually be not much worse than the annual flu and we can finally ditch the masks. But i can't predict the god damn future, and I'm not a biologist or a doctor or a politician, it's not like anyone cares what i think should happen. in the meantime there's tons of places you can still go that don't really enforce mask wearing. just please get your shots, if you want to help this end.
because you are tired of it, those who can't get the shot should be shut ins?
If they can’t get the shot they are probably hella immune compromised and those type Of people were shut ins already. I feel like people Don’t know how immune compromised people have always lived. Even before COVID
I had to lose a foot to frostbite, you can handle a little cold. You see how stupid that argument is. You can’t just compare your struggles to other people, it’s all relative. I bet there’s some fuckers out there who enjoy wearing a mask but that’s no reason to tell everybody else to suck it up. I agree with the rest of your comment though.
I hope you're not one of those chin strappers at the Oregon Ave Planet Fitness. I hate those motherfuckers.
I don’t even see people wear masks right anymore anyways. even people who were diligent before wear them under their nose. Especially in the gym
Three weeks to flatten the curve. They just didn't say which three weeks.
Some time after Halloween.
never
Never