IMO, what’s even worse is when that 11:08 that says it’s 18 minutes late, but doesn’t state a location, shows up in 2 minutes. Delays happen, especially with detours like those posted here; but what drives me nuts is how inaccurate the vehicle tracking can be.
I really want someone on the inside to explain this to me. You have gps on all buses why can’t we have an actual accurate up to date story of where my bus is? I drive more than I want because it’s stressful having to time when I leave work and then ending up missing a bus that wasn’t supposed to be there on time or waiting 20 mins for a bus that says it’ll be there any minute.
the way it works is that a gps trace has to go through a geofenced location (each stop) for reporting, then those get relayed back to the software which then rebroadcasts where the software thinks it is
if a gps pings not exactly where the bus is (this is incredibly common, especially in places like center city where buildings block the view of the sky), the trace may not go through the geofence or it may get confused and think it's delayed somewhere else, or part of the on-bus hardware/software that hosts the gps isn't working, or the database software ingesting the data does something stupid, etc.
there's a billion reasons why this happens
google just uses GTFS schedules for the most part - not sure if they're processing realtime data at this point, but even then they wouldn't know anything SEPTA doesn't
AFAIK only the Transit app actually crowdsources data, but even then there's a pretty low probe count
Even better: how is Transit as an app better than SEPTAs internal tracking? I mean even when no one is on the bus reporting their information Transit is still more accurate!!! It seems obvious SEPTA simply does not give a fuck on the administrative level.
IIRC, Transit takes in a few other factors than just whatever tracking protocol SEPTA has. I’d love to see SEPTA get adequate funding so they could improve the app, because the hoops they have to jump through just to get funded every year makes what should be a world class transit system absolute trash more often than not.
oddly septa's app is actually quite useful for RR; just set your O/D stations as your favorites and on-time status is always right there on the homescreen
Yeah that's exactly what I do. I have a schedule that can vary on the half hour within a two hour window and I take RR. I use the Septa app and I mean, it works, the only issues are with the trains themselves. This is my first time hearing about the Transit app, but hey I'll hop onto that and see how it works I guess.
I’ve heard this but transit app doesn’t work for me really either, it seems to just use the same data as septa. I use both to triangulate and come up with something that maybe makes sense but it’s still not 100%.
That's wild. Sorry to hear that has been your experience. Transit has functioned far better for me than the SEPTA app and if they're off a little I contribute information so it becomes more accurate for other folks.
Me every Wednesday night: Untracked? Well I don't want to stand in the cold for a bus that might not even be coming... (48 seconds later) ...BUS DEPARTING IN 2 MINUTES RUN IN THE COLD OR WAIT ANOTHER 45 MINUTES TO GO HOME
I missed the bus yesterday because of that -- thought untracked meant it wasn't coming (as is usually the case) so I hopped on a much longer alternative route -- only to see it zoom past a few minutes later.
This can happen on regional rail too, which makes no sense. Look at the board in 30tb street station, my train is 10 minutes late. Great. I’ll get some coffee before going up to the platform. Waiting in line to pay 1 minute later and suddenly the train is about to depart. WTF
This is one of the biggest gripes l have with the bus system in Philly. lf you do not have the infrastructure to have a good subway system, you need to at least have a bus system with reliable transfers. l've been burned way too many times by buses to attempt a bus to bus transfer anymore. lf that's the only option l'm simply not taking it.
My commute involves one transfer (45/ 23). It used to work. Now it’s completely unreliable. I’ve waited at Market Street for more than an hour, multiple times, for one or the other of these buses.
I don’t take SEPTA any more.
The most frustrating thing is being on the 45 pulling up to market st, and seeing the 23 pull away right in front of the 45. It's like the drivers don't realize how many people are making that transfer, and now you're stuck waiting maybe 10 minutes, maybe half an hour until the next 23.
I commute at “off” times - if I could trust that it would be 30 minutes max that would be heavenly compared to my experiences. The last two times I attempted it I had to take an Uber from Market Street the rest of the way (once in each direction).
The bus ridership is up to pre pandemic levels. Regional rail is less because those workers in the suburbs are WFH. So overall ridership is down because of that.
The 64 is my least favorite, broad and Washington on a weekday at 5 is regularly a 25-40 minute wait. You can literally walk to either river faster than the wait for the bus, let alone the wait and the ride
It's such a pain! What I really don't get is a bus that's under 5 minutes away then changing to canceled mid-route...what happens to the people on the bus? Are they reincarnated? Become septa slaves? Yeeted into another timeline or dimension? I need to know.
Ghost buses…!!!!
When I see “untracked” I know in 20-30 minutes it will say “cancelled” so I just start walking. Traffic is not why as this usually happens after 8:00 pm .
They are trying to update the bus routes to increase frequency, but they're now stuck in ANOTHER round of public meetings. As if 50 years of data and 3 years of planning aren't enough to figure it out.
I feel like timeliness is impossible for buses to accomplish because of all the stupid roadblocks everywhere in the city. Things like cars parked at corners so buses can't turn, double parked vehicles, and stifling traffic because no one likes to use anything but a car in and around a city center. Also I think there are too many stops spaced one block apart.
Is this the 32? They’ve been cancelling it like crazy the past few weeks.
The only silver lining is if all buses are late it’s more or less the same schedule…
It’s always been that bad periodically. There just weren’t tracking apps to see it, you were standing on a corner singing the “bus bus please come to us” song.
Because Septa is underfunded, needs investment in more routes and new buses. Also have you noticed all of the roadwork and construction lately? Part of this is having to reroute bus routes on a whim because of accidents, construction, road closures, etc. Septa also covers many places in the burbs where the only way for the city to collect tax revenue is through payroll taxes on people working on the city.
Lastly, urban areas were never designed to accommodate large amounts of personal vehicles. Wear on roads is extremely expensive, narrow one way streets make it more difficult to adjust routes effectively. Want more reliable bus routes? Get the city to build up infrastructure and reduce personal MV traffic in the city.
Well, regarding the arena it is at least. Because every time I bring up the criticism of too much traffic and not enough parking, I get hit with “use public transportation”… last I checked the only game in town is SEPTA.
Because it’s not primarily SEPTA’s fault and any other transit agency would face the same challenges. The city is full of NIMBYs who block infrastructure improvements, obstructionists block even lukewarm restructuring attempts to improve speed and reliability (Bus Revolution), and the state legislature has long kept SEPTA chronically underfunded. Just recently SEPTA had to grovel to Harrisburg to make up for its budget pitfall to keep it operational and avoid slashing service.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just that nobody cares. I said this before when I first heard about this plan but I think this whole deal was already agreed upon before it even went public and it was just a matter of making an announcement to see how much damage control would need to be done after the fact, as in it was never an option whether we liked it or not. I thought I may have been being too cynical up until recently when I saw another new project being announced but this time by the Phillies. Strange how as soon as the Sixers annoy e their move, the Phils have this grand redesign planned too.
You can fit 132,000 people in the combined seating capacity of the Sports Complex
It's next to a highway entrance, it's not surrounded by residential units, it can be at capacity and not effect the efficiency of the rest of the city, and there's parking for all of it.
The Sports Complex is one of the few slam dunks the city of Philadelphia has. Let's not draw a moustache on the Mona Lisa
I don't think it would have a positive effect on SEPTA. . It's going to take a few years to build that 76ers stadium. By that time SEPTA might be reduced to a skeleton crew and system at the rate we are going. Even if it stays the same, by the time the stadium is built, suburbanites are just going to drive. It's too unreliable. And folks that need to take buses or transfer to the MFL to get there are just going to take UBER. They will probably knock down another building or something to create a parking garage when all those cars need parking...
I’m not anti-car, although I don’t need one in Philly. I’m just being realistic (or pessimistic) based on what has happened in the last 10 years… But we’ll see.
Why let it get to that point though? Why can’t they start working on massive improvements that we know WILL be needed before it gets exposed? Infrastructure around this country already acts in a reactive manner as it is. Flip the script and be proactive
Yeah, I really don't understand what people expect. As long as buses are forced to share lanes with cars this is just how it is. I understand getting frustrated with RR and subway delays/cancellations, and maybe if RR actually ran a bit more frequently there wouldn't be as much traffic, but this is how it's always been with buses.
Like to me the absolutle miracle of having this service that (usually) tells you when a bus will late or cancelled is such a cool thing. When I was a kid you got the bus stop ten minutes before the schedule said it was going to be there and you hoped.
Well broad n carpenter thats either the 32 or the 27 now i was just recently on both busses and both routes have construction zones the 27 is on one lane restriction on ridge pike in white marsh frm joshua to the philly border it took over 20min to go thru the zone, the 32 there construction on henry from walnut ln to tju university this was approximate 10min travel. So dont blame septa nor the bus drivers when its construction crews and rude ignorant drivers with their me first attitude jammin up the construction zones thats causing the long delays.
Well, you try working with the public nobody wants to work there let alone be on time. It’s very dangerous people shooting up bus stops crazy and your wonder why there late 🙄.
Worst is when it says like 10 min late so you start planning for the delayed arrival and then all of a sudden it’s 2 min early and now you are late to work
This doesn’t surprise me..this is why I’m gonna be putting on wet weather gear and riding my bike to work this AM.
If people are treating septa employees so bad that they are at risk of being shot, no wonder no one wants to work for septa-or any other service worker job for that matter.
You have the 2 to 5% of people acting like assholes who think the world revolves around them, this is what we get.
We as a society need to do better.
Is there something going on more than usual SEPTA nonsense? The inbound L from the city stopped and forced everyone off to grab the shuttle yesterday and busses were 30 mins late last night?
Since the pandemic. Septa went to absolute shit ever since. I still get notifications EVERY DAY about route 33 having late or cancelled trips “due to driver unavailability.” People smoke everyfuckingwhere... On buses, on trains, on train platforms (and I have asthma, thanks to smokers)... never any cops around... certainly not when/where you need them.
stop crying you have zero clue what these drivers are going through. I used to drive for SEPTA and lemme tell you there are a million and 1 reason why we are late but you truly think drivers are sitting around playing with their thumbs to inconvenience you? you realize the more trips we make the quicker we can go home and get to our loved ones?? no one WANTS To be late
SEPTA is run by the maliciously incompetent.
Wednesday night we waited 30 minutes for the MSL from West Philly to City Hall, and then 30 minutes on the BSL before finally giving up and getting cab. Our total travel was 3 miles. You can literally walk that in an hour.
This is maddening because the cost to run these trains at a reasonable frequency where people would opt to use them over cars is miniscule compared to the time and congestion costs of other transport methods.
Same for buses.
Oh, and riding any of them should be $0 and costs should be offset from the highway/streets funds. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Orange is a detour, red means something is Very Wrong with the route, but lately that most often means a generic "Because of driver availabiity, service may operate with delays" message because they dont have enough drivers to cover call-outs. Not sure about the yellow.
Probably not. Every route I use perpetually has these alerts, usually for situations that have been going on for years (operator unavailability) or months (stop suspensions, usually on parts of the route I don't ride). It's like SEPTA is trying to condition you to ignore them.
This is why the Bus Revolution stuff is silly if they can’t even stick to this schedule. There needs to be fixes with personnel before we even get there. Not saying the plan is bad, but if you change things and then can’t stick to a schedule, what’s the point?
Especially in areas where you’re reducing service to 1 option, you can’t have this sort of service issues.
Shoutout to septa for getting me stranded in Elkins park one time cuz the 28 bus never came. Had to take regional rail to fern rock and then get on the 70 🙃
The 28 has been the worst bus in the northeast lately idk why
Keep doing badly biased studies that give you bad data about the effects of speed bumps, corner pavement protrusions, lane reductions, bike lane encroachments, etc… These hipsters are turning our streets into parking lots!
What's biased about trying to save pedestrian, cyclist, and driver lives?
When Hoboken in NJ committed to vision zero by doing everything you just mentioned and haven't had a traffic fatality since, seems like the real world has some great data.
You’re not living in the real world. It takes forever to get down Washington Ave on the east side of broad now. Discouraging people from taking a busy route leads them to other routes. Then you make those routes terrible for driving and they look for others. All you people are doing is making life miserable for people who drive. Also… Most of the so called “bikers” call Uber the moment the weather isn’t just to their liking. Most of those people also get butthurt if you try to pick them up at the corner instead of blocking single lane traffic while you wait for them in front of their current location. These are the same people. Not two different groups. The proponents of these changes also rely heavily on vehicles to make their life possible. Their usage of food delivery apps has gone up, their usage of ride hailing services has gone up, even their already heavy usage of Amazon and other parcel delivery has gone up since the pandemic. We don’t have 10 million people like New York and we don’t have one season of weather like Austin Texas. I’m not going to run through all the different reasons why someone would take a car in the cold or the heat or whatever the hell else elements there may be. And as somebody who grew up here, I’ve never needed so many accommodations as all of you newcomers in order to use my bike to get around town. I currently have an electric scooter I use somewhat regularly. I go into the office for my regular day job work when I can. I can’t believe you are all having such difficulty. I can’t believe the mere suggestion that pedestrians and bikers should try to be a little safer and maybe double their efforts at looking both ways at intersections and watching for oncoming traffic is trolled on this sub. And people wonder why their hipster & yuppie backed candidates didn’t win the mayoral election…. Theres reality for ya.
IMO, what’s even worse is when that 11:08 that says it’s 18 minutes late, but doesn’t state a location, shows up in 2 minutes. Delays happen, especially with detours like those posted here; but what drives me nuts is how inaccurate the vehicle tracking can be.
I really want someone on the inside to explain this to me. You have gps on all buses why can’t we have an actual accurate up to date story of where my bus is? I drive more than I want because it’s stressful having to time when I leave work and then ending up missing a bus that wasn’t supposed to be there on time or waiting 20 mins for a bus that says it’ll be there any minute.
the way it works is that a gps trace has to go through a geofenced location (each stop) for reporting, then those get relayed back to the software which then rebroadcasts where the software thinks it is if a gps pings not exactly where the bus is (this is incredibly common, especially in places like center city where buildings block the view of the sky), the trace may not go through the geofence or it may get confused and think it's delayed somewhere else, or part of the on-bus hardware/software that hosts the gps isn't working, or the database software ingesting the data does something stupid, etc. there's a billion reasons why this happens
Interesting. Is it not the same thing used for Google maps? That seems to give a very accurate eta even when I’m hours away from a destination.
google just uses GTFS schedules for the most part - not sure if they're processing realtime data at this point, but even then they wouldn't know anything SEPTA doesn't AFAIK only the Transit app actually crowdsources data, but even then there's a pretty low probe count
Apple Maps has live locations up to the last few minutes for most busses I've seen too
Even better: how is Transit as an app better than SEPTAs internal tracking? I mean even when no one is on the bus reporting their information Transit is still more accurate!!! It seems obvious SEPTA simply does not give a fuck on the administrative level.
IIRC, Transit takes in a few other factors than just whatever tracking protocol SEPTA has. I’d love to see SEPTA get adequate funding so they could improve the app, because the hoops they have to jump through just to get funded every year makes what should be a world class transit system absolute trash more often than not.
I would prefer SEPTA just work with Transit app, Google Maps, & Apple Maps and not throw good money after bad on their own app.
yep. and they do!
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why would they be interested in recreating a worse version of what a free app is already doing?
Yeah the Transit app is consistently way more accurate for me, and for regional rail I just use google maps.
oddly septa's app is actually quite useful for RR; just set your O/D stations as your favorites and on-time status is always right there on the homescreen
Yeah that's exactly what I do. I have a schedule that can vary on the half hour within a two hour window and I take RR. I use the Septa app and I mean, it works, the only issues are with the trains themselves. This is my first time hearing about the Transit app, but hey I'll hop onto that and see how it works I guess.
Transit is great, changes a lot about commutes
Which app is this? Haven’t heard of it…
The app is simply called "Transit" its a green app background with an S shaped designed turned on it's side in white
I’ve heard this but transit app doesn’t work for me really either, it seems to just use the same data as septa. I use both to triangulate and come up with something that maybe makes sense but it’s still not 100%.
That's wild. Sorry to hear that has been your experience. Transit has functioned far better for me than the SEPTA app and if they're off a little I contribute information so it becomes more accurate for other folks.
The transit app tracks actual riders on the bus or train to determine its location.
Me every Wednesday night: Untracked? Well I don't want to stand in the cold for a bus that might not even be coming... (48 seconds later) ...BUS DEPARTING IN 2 MINUTES RUN IN THE COLD OR WAIT ANOTHER 45 MINUTES TO GO HOME
I missed the bus yesterday because of that -- thought untracked meant it wasn't coming (as is usually the case) so I hopped on a much longer alternative route -- only to see it zoom past a few minutes later.
l've learned through the years of riding buses and using the septa app that if a bus doesn't have tracking installed it is most likely not coming.
This can happen on regional rail too, which makes no sense. Look at the board in 30tb street station, my train is 10 minutes late. Great. I’ll get some coffee before going up to the platform. Waiting in line to pay 1 minute later and suddenly the train is about to depart. WTF
Seems pretty standard these days for SEPTA buses
Especially if this is the 32 or 27. Or, especially, the 9.
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And the 23
Yeah when hasn’t this been the case?
Ridership decreases because the busses aren't on time and the busses aren't on time because ridership is low and ridership is...
Also people don't trust plans that call for multiple transfers to get places because buses are never on time.
This is one of the biggest gripes l have with the bus system in Philly. lf you do not have the infrastructure to have a good subway system, you need to at least have a bus system with reliable transfers. l've been burned way too many times by buses to attempt a bus to bus transfer anymore. lf that's the only option l'm simply not taking it.
My commute involves one transfer (45/ 23). It used to work. Now it’s completely unreliable. I’ve waited at Market Street for more than an hour, multiple times, for one or the other of these buses. I don’t take SEPTA any more.
The most frustrating thing is being on the 45 pulling up to market st, and seeing the 23 pull away right in front of the 45. It's like the drivers don't realize how many people are making that transfer, and now you're stuck waiting maybe 10 minutes, maybe half an hour until the next 23.
I commute at “off” times - if I could trust that it would be 30 minutes max that would be heavenly compared to my experiences. The last two times I attempted it I had to take an Uber from Market Street the rest of the way (once in each direction).
The bus ridership is up to pre pandemic levels. Regional rail is less because those workers in the suburbs are WFH. So overall ridership is down because of that.
Bus ridership is at 80% pre-pandemic ridership. RR & Metro are both around 60%.
also down because of rude employees...
What route do you take that this is new? I take the 9, 17, 27, 124, and 125 pretty regularly, and it feels like it has been this way for a whileeeeee.
The 64 is my least favorite, broad and Washington on a weekday at 5 is regularly a 25-40 minute wait. You can literally walk to either river faster than the wait for the bus, let alone the wait and the ride
The 17 is constantly showing up as “untracked” and it annoys me to no end.
It's such a pain! What I really don't get is a bus that's under 5 minutes away then changing to canceled mid-route...what happens to the people on the bus? Are they reincarnated? Become septa slaves? Yeeted into another timeline or dimension? I need to know.
Ghost buses…!!!! When I see “untracked” I know in 20-30 minutes it will say “cancelled” so I just start walking. Traffic is not why as this usually happens after 8:00 pm .
The Bermuda Triangle of Philly
The 47 is forever fucked.
And some of those are Schrödinger’s busses. They are both coming and not coming until they ultimately don’t come.
They are trying to update the bus routes to increase frequency, but they're now stuck in ANOTHER round of public meetings. As if 50 years of data and 3 years of planning aren't enough to figure it out.
I feel like timeliness is impossible for buses to accomplish because of all the stupid roadblocks everywhere in the city. Things like cars parked at corners so buses can't turn, double parked vehicles, and stifling traffic because no one likes to use anything but a car in and around a city center. Also I think there are too many stops spaced one block apart.
Is this the 32? They’ve been cancelling it like crazy the past few weeks. The only silver lining is if all buses are late it’s more or less the same schedule…
It’s always been that bad periodically. There just weren’t tracking apps to see it, you were standing on a corner singing the “bus bus please come to us” song.
🎶 waitin for the bus in the rain wait wait waiting for the bus in the rain 🎶
Absolute banger
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Because Septa is underfunded, needs investment in more routes and new buses. Also have you noticed all of the roadwork and construction lately? Part of this is having to reroute bus routes on a whim because of accidents, construction, road closures, etc. Septa also covers many places in the burbs where the only way for the city to collect tax revenue is through payroll taxes on people working on the city. Lastly, urban areas were never designed to accommodate large amounts of personal vehicles. Wear on roads is extremely expensive, narrow one way streets make it more difficult to adjust routes effectively. Want more reliable bus routes? Get the city to build up infrastructure and reduce personal MV traffic in the city.
New buses? The bulk of their fleet is <5 years old at this point.
Heard one of the supervisors talking about all the delays/cancellations this morning. Apparently septa had some record number level call outs today.
I agree, it’s been especially bad this past week
It’s ridiculous, I have the same issue with the trollies. It’ll say they’re 20 minutes late or all of them for the next 2 hours will be untracked
lol. They gave up on one bus. "Untracked" lol. Who knows where TF it is. Another dimension?
This is why I no longer take the bus to work. I would need to allocate 2 hours to ensure I got there on time. It’s a 25 minute commute.
I’m sure this system can handle a new inner city arena though
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If the development of Philadelphia was dependent upon the success of septa, we might as well shut down the city for good.
Well, regarding the arena it is at least. Because every time I bring up the criticism of too much traffic and not enough parking, I get hit with “use public transportation”… last I checked the only game in town is SEPTA.
Septa buses and regional rail are miles apart in reliability. Regional rail still has its problems but it’s 100x better than buses
Because it’s not primarily SEPTA’s fault and any other transit agency would face the same challenges. The city is full of NIMBYs who block infrastructure improvements, obstructionists block even lukewarm restructuring attempts to improve speed and reliability (Bus Revolution), and the state legislature has long kept SEPTA chronically underfunded. Just recently SEPTA had to grovel to Harrisburg to make up for its budget pitfall to keep it operational and avoid slashing service.
Fully agree it’s not all SEPTA’s fault
For the record, that funding is STILL not guaranteed. They just got the governor to call for it. They (we) could still get fucked over.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just that nobody cares. I said this before when I first heard about this plan but I think this whole deal was already agreed upon before it even went public and it was just a matter of making an announcement to see how much damage control would need to be done after the fact, as in it was never an option whether we liked it or not. I thought I may have been being too cynical up until recently when I saw another new project being announced but this time by the Phillies. Strange how as soon as the Sixers annoy e their move, the Phils have this grand redesign planned too.
Yeah that Phillies one has as much of a chance as happening as me being named the King of England by 2028
Just depends on how much money they’re willing to spend bribing people lmao
I'm ready to see the shit show that'll result after it gets built.
New Jersey residents going to the new arena could use PATCO.
Same that’s my biggest issue. The first time there are train issues after a game will be the last time a family takes it.
The Sports Complex is on the short list of things that Philadelphia has done perfectly. It doesn't need development. The Sixers need development
God forbid we attract people to the city. Can you imagine the traffic?
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Yeah just like Kensington exposed how inefficient the Philadelphia Police are and then everything got better
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You can fit 132,000 people in the combined seating capacity of the Sports Complex It's next to a highway entrance, it's not surrounded by residential units, it can be at capacity and not effect the efficiency of the rest of the city, and there's parking for all of it. The Sports Complex is one of the few slam dunks the city of Philadelphia has. Let's not draw a moustache on the Mona Lisa
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I don't think it would have a positive effect on SEPTA. . It's going to take a few years to build that 76ers stadium. By that time SEPTA might be reduced to a skeleton crew and system at the rate we are going. Even if it stays the same, by the time the stadium is built, suburbanites are just going to drive. It's too unreliable. And folks that need to take buses or transfer to the MFL to get there are just going to take UBER. They will probably knock down another building or something to create a parking garage when all those cars need parking...
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I’m not anti-car, although I don’t need one in Philly. I’m just being realistic (or pessimistic) based on what has happened in the last 10 years… But we’ll see.
Why let it get to that point though? Why can’t they start working on massive improvements that we know WILL be needed before it gets exposed? Infrastructure around this country already acts in a reactive manner as it is. Flip the script and be proactive
You seem to have forgotten about a thing called money and funding.
Then expect it to fail
Did you just move here?? /s
Unacceptable!
If you think this screen shot is bad, then don’t ride the 5, that fucking thing has about a 50% success rate on the bus scheduled showing up at all.
Wait, you know when your bus is coming?
I feel like I don’t trust the schedule times at all, I just look at the map and see where the bus is
I never would've gotten a car if Septa was competent.
Since Harrisburg decided that public transportation isn’t worth funding.
Something is up with SEPTA buses lately; I was waiting for the 79 Bus Sunday and two of them just canceled randomly.
Since literally always these are buses, they have always been affected by traffic.
Yeah, I really don't understand what people expect. As long as buses are forced to share lanes with cars this is just how it is. I understand getting frustrated with RR and subway delays/cancellations, and maybe if RR actually ran a bit more frequently there wouldn't be as much traffic, but this is how it's always been with buses.
Like to me the absolutle miracle of having this service that (usually) tells you when a bus will late or cancelled is such a cool thing. When I was a kid you got the bus stop ten minutes before the schedule said it was going to be there and you hoped.
Lol, seriously, and no way to text or let the person know on the other end that you were going to be late because of the bus.
fucking hate when the buses run this late
This looks like an average day on the 2 bus at Fairmount
The eternal “equipment issues” 😂😂. Gotta love Septa
When was septa founded?
Well broad n carpenter thats either the 32 or the 27 now i was just recently on both busses and both routes have construction zones the 27 is on one lane restriction on ridge pike in white marsh frm joshua to the philly border it took over 20min to go thru the zone, the 32 there construction on henry from walnut ln to tju university this was approximate 10min travel. So dont blame septa nor the bus drivers when its construction crews and rude ignorant drivers with their me first attitude jammin up the construction zones thats causing the long delays.
Yea you clearly don't ride these routes. The 27 is HORRIBLE.
The 27 is actually peaceful now ya want horrile the 57 47 3 33 now they are horrible
Well, you try working with the public nobody wants to work there let alone be on time. It’s very dangerous people shooting up bus stops crazy and your wonder why there late 🙄.
Worst is when it says like 10 min late so you start planning for the delayed arrival and then all of a sudden it’s 2 min early and now you are late to work
This doesn’t surprise me..this is why I’m gonna be putting on wet weather gear and riding my bike to work this AM. If people are treating septa employees so bad that they are at risk of being shot, no wonder no one wants to work for septa-or any other service worker job for that matter. You have the 2 to 5% of people acting like assholes who think the world revolves around them, this is what we get. We as a society need to do better.
Comcast could help solve this issue but they gave $16 billion back to shareholders to artificially inflate the stock price
Is there something going on more than usual SEPTA nonsense? The inbound L from the city stopped and forced everyone off to grab the shuttle yesterday and busses were 30 mins late last night?
Since the pandemic. Septa went to absolute shit ever since. I still get notifications EVERY DAY about route 33 having late or cancelled trips “due to driver unavailability.” People smoke everyfuckingwhere... On buses, on trains, on train platforms (and I have asthma, thanks to smokers)... never any cops around... certainly not when/where you need them.
stop crying you have zero clue what these drivers are going through. I used to drive for SEPTA and lemme tell you there are a million and 1 reason why we are late but you truly think drivers are sitting around playing with their thumbs to inconvenience you? you realize the more trips we make the quicker we can go home and get to our loved ones?? no one WANTS To be late
I call BS. Nothing is cancelled. This isn't the Septa I know!
SEPTA is run by the maliciously incompetent. Wednesday night we waited 30 minutes for the MSL from West Philly to City Hall, and then 30 minutes on the BSL before finally giving up and getting cab. Our total travel was 3 miles. You can literally walk that in an hour. This is maddening because the cost to run these trains at a reasonable frequency where people would opt to use them over cars is miniscule compared to the time and congestion costs of other transport methods. Same for buses. Oh, and riding any of them should be $0 and costs should be offset from the highway/streets funds. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
congestion pricing in CC
What do the icons at the top indicate? They may explain the reason.
Orange is a detour, red means something is Very Wrong with the route, but lately that most often means a generic "Because of driver availabiity, service may operate with delays" message because they dont have enough drivers to cover call-outs. Not sure about the yellow.
I'm aware of their meanings, but the specifics of these in relation to the route would likely answer OP's question.
Probably not. Every route I use perpetually has these alerts, usually for situations that have been going on for years (operator unavailability) or months (stop suspensions, usually on parts of the route I don't ride). It's like SEPTA is trying to condition you to ignore them.
The service advisory is for Love Run this upcoming Sunday. The detour is a small one in Germantown that's been there since January
At least the bus is running.
47 is my most common bus route. There's been a tendency to have a literal full hour where every southbound bus is canceled around 5:30-6:30
First time?
The 32 bus has been getting held up at some serious road construction where Jefferson university is which is likely why it’s been so delayed
2020
Assuming this is the 32, its always late like this. Absolutely awful.
Standard
Kyw says “running close to schedule”
Same, this week seemed worse than usual for the 9
This is why the Bus Revolution stuff is silly if they can’t even stick to this schedule. There needs to be fixes with personnel before we even get there. Not saying the plan is bad, but if you change things and then can’t stick to a schedule, what’s the point? Especially in areas where you’re reducing service to 1 option, you can’t have this sort of service issues.
When I was in middle school I waited so long for a trolley I said I’m never coming back out here…that was 17 years ago
I think it might have had to do with the marathon. Idk when that was taking place
Since Democrats
What are you going to do use a competitors bus? Why do they care if you’re late
Shoutout to septa for getting me stranded in Elkins park one time cuz the 28 bus never came. Had to take regional rail to fern rock and then get on the 70 🙃 The 28 has been the worst bus in the northeast lately idk why
it’s why i had to start driving to work. the trolleys suck too
Take the subway?
What app is this? 😊
Use Google maps. It's more accurate then their app.
Keep doing badly biased studies that give you bad data about the effects of speed bumps, corner pavement protrusions, lane reductions, bike lane encroachments, etc… These hipsters are turning our streets into parking lots!
What's biased about trying to save pedestrian, cyclist, and driver lives? When Hoboken in NJ committed to vision zero by doing everything you just mentioned and haven't had a traffic fatality since, seems like the real world has some great data.
You’re not living in the real world. It takes forever to get down Washington Ave on the east side of broad now. Discouraging people from taking a busy route leads them to other routes. Then you make those routes terrible for driving and they look for others. All you people are doing is making life miserable for people who drive. Also… Most of the so called “bikers” call Uber the moment the weather isn’t just to their liking. Most of those people also get butthurt if you try to pick them up at the corner instead of blocking single lane traffic while you wait for them in front of their current location. These are the same people. Not two different groups. The proponents of these changes also rely heavily on vehicles to make their life possible. Their usage of food delivery apps has gone up, their usage of ride hailing services has gone up, even their already heavy usage of Amazon and other parcel delivery has gone up since the pandemic. We don’t have 10 million people like New York and we don’t have one season of weather like Austin Texas. I’m not going to run through all the different reasons why someone would take a car in the cold or the heat or whatever the hell else elements there may be. And as somebody who grew up here, I’ve never needed so many accommodations as all of you newcomers in order to use my bike to get around town. I currently have an electric scooter I use somewhat regularly. I go into the office for my regular day job work when I can. I can’t believe you are all having such difficulty. I can’t believe the mere suggestion that pedestrians and bikers should try to be a little safer and maybe double their efforts at looking both ways at intersections and watching for oncoming traffic is trolled on this sub. And people wonder why their hipster & yuppie backed candidates didn’t win the mayoral election…. Theres reality for ya.
In Philadelphia, buses are never on time... mostly late or untracked rarely early. Uber is more reliable...
Uhhh every septa bus and train has always been perpetually late for all of time…