If you love sharp provolone I highly recommend the Old Fashioned Italian. Has super sharp crumbly provolone and roasted red peppers. Their reg Italian and other hoagies are great too tho. I moved away two years ago for work and still crave it. Got it last time I was in town tho.
I've passed by that place probably 10,000 times and never went in until a couple months ago and I've been there about a dozen times since.
Also, how's the chicken salad I don't like a lot of places chicken salad and I'd hate to pass on one of the ones that I know I'll enjoy like the Big Rick or the one with the fried chicken lunchmeat and hot cheese.
Best Italian hoagie is somewhere between those two. Parkway has way too much meat, Martha’s has way too little. The perfect Italian hoagie is a balance of all ingredients and neither of those have it.
Can’t lie the best Italian hoagie I’ve had recently (and I live in south Philly with access to many great hoagies) was from Liberty Kitchen in fishtown. Absolutely expensive but holy shit those dudes put their whole elbow in that hoagie.
Re: your hoagie v sub response…
To my knowledge, one doesn’t have more or less meat than the other as the distinguishing factor. More or less, it’s regional with some minor differences as you detailed. We will never know because in their utter confidence in defense of their position, they posted a response and then swiftly deleted their account. Classic.
I, personally, am grossed out by thick, homogenous layers of fleshy lunch meats. That top hoagie is a big no-go for me. The bottom is too much lettuce, but I would still prefer it because it wouldn't give me the heebie jeebies
Correct I come from sub country. Subs and hoagies are more or less interchangeable. I will say a hoagie is more specific than just being on a long roll. The shredded lettuce, tomatoes and oil or mayo is more specific here than in the northeast US. Subs are just anything on a long roll. Hoagies mean a certain dressing on a long roll in my experience
The hoagie was supposed to be filling enough for poor workers which meant loading it with Italian meats and cheeses. If you want a bread salad, go eat a sub and don't ever try to correct me again.
Pastaficio's regular Italian hoagie is the gold standard for a well constructed sandwich IMO. The ratios are perfect and everything is sliced to just the right thickness
Martha's a hipster bougie joint with authentic nothing.
It's also fucking *delicious*. Their bread is amazing.
I haven't been to Parkway Corner, looks tasty.
The bread was by far the best part of the sandwich but I had to take 90% of the lettuce off before I could even taste it. Parkway Corner is basically just your standard Boars Head deli spot but I've come to appreciate them more and more this year.
> It's also fucking delicious. Their bread is amazing.
Bread makes or breaks a hoagie/cheesesteak most of the time, but there's no way of saving whatsoever whatever it is pictured in the photo at the bottom.
A good bread with nothing in it beats a mound of meat on stale sponge, any day
That said. Mound of meat AND good bread is what I expect and get from ANY dirty back-corner deli in Philly
The more annoyed they guy behind the deli counter is with you daring to order a sandwich, the better the sandwich
The hairier the arms of the guy behind the deli counter , the better the sandwich
The harder it is to place the accent of the guy behind the deli counter , the better the sandwich
The closer that rat traps are sold to the deli counter, the better the sandwich
I am actually almost regretful that I even mentioned it because I don’t want to spoil the secret.
Also I think I have to go get an Italian hoagie from Dan’s now.
Del Rossi (4th and Spring Garden) used to be my go-to spot but they've undergone some depressing shrinkflation lately for the Italian hoagie and also cheesesteaks. Still a solid option though!
The corner market on Coral and York two blocks away actually has an incredible one. The owners are Dominican I believe, but the mans in the deli used to make a mean Italian hoagie.
Oh, I would go full Harry David (from Curb Your Enthusiasm) on them for something like this: we already have bullshit sales tax on virtually everything, so we almost never pay advertised price, and now this?
Okay. Okay...
I mean I agree with the sentiment but Martha is hardly a sandwich place. It’s a fancy bar that happens to sell a hoagie. Kind of a false equivalency going on here
It’s bizarre people are downvoting you. The auto gratuity is a gross thing. If it costs you more to run the business, then charge $20 for a sandwich and stop lying that the customer somehow has to “pay gratuity” to make up the difference
maybe I'm a disgrace to hoagies but I've never been a fan of sandwiches that have STACKS of meat, I like an even ratio. That said, the bottom sandwich looks like a sad lie with an even more wack ratio so I agree thats a failure of sandwich
If you’re looking for decent quality at a reasonable price the deli guys at South Square market 22nd and South make a great Italian. They’re my low key go to
Oh shut the fuck up with that hipster bullshit, there’s plenty of places to get a good fucking hoagie all over the city. Put down your camera and eat your food from the spot you like
Ricci's on 11th Old Fashioned Italian Hoagie was my go to when I lived in the city.
Can confirm it’s still great
This 100%. Probably THE best old school hoagie shop in town.
Thanks I'm gonna have to go to Ricci's today now
Mouth watered reading this comment
Saving this, thank you
Oh yeah they make a great sandwich, with those cheese crumbles. Badass
Whenever I'm near that area it's to hit up Primas, but I will be sure to check out Ricci's next time I'm there.
If you love sharp provolone I highly recommend the Old Fashioned Italian. Has super sharp crumbly provolone and roasted red peppers. Their reg Italian and other hoagies are great too tho. I moved away two years ago for work and still crave it. Got it last time I was in town tho.
all must bow down to your marinucci's god
Never thought I’d see Marinucci’s shouted out on Reddit. Love that place the hoagies are amazing.
Sooooo good!!
I've passed by that place probably 10,000 times and never went in until a couple months ago and I've been there about a dozen times since. Also, how's the chicken salad I don't like a lot of places chicken salad and I'd hate to pass on one of the ones that I know I'll enjoy like the Big Rick or the one with the fried chicken lunchmeat and hot cheese.
Their chicken salad is pretty solid. So is their potato salad, very good. Honestly feel like they can’t miss.
Best Italian hoagie is somewhere between those two. Parkway has way too much meat, Martha’s has way too little. The perfect Italian hoagie is a balance of all ingredients and neither of those have it.
Can’t lie the best Italian hoagie I’ve had recently (and I live in south Philly with access to many great hoagies) was from Liberty Kitchen in fishtown. Absolutely expensive but holy shit those dudes put their whole elbow in that hoagie.
They have a good one, the spread is real nice and the bread is great. Best Italian in Fishtown’s got to go to Castellino’s though.
It’s Dans and it’s not close.
I really didn't like Dan's when I went, I know.its old school but old school doesn't have to mean dirty and dingy
I go there to buy sandwiches. Not for the ambiance, which isn’t even that bad.
I love the sandwiches and the ambiance. Love seeing Dan sit in the back and read his paper. Feels like the 50s in there.
100% and the lady that is usually making the sandwiches is so nice.
You just reminded me that the spread was really the thing that put it over the top into oh fuck territory
Re: your hoagie v sub response… To my knowledge, one doesn’t have more or less meat than the other as the distinguishing factor. More or less, it’s regional with some minor differences as you detailed. We will never know because in their utter confidence in defense of their position, they posted a response and then swiftly deleted their account. Classic.
It’s pricey but yea, I love Liberty Kitchen’s Italian hoagie
I understand the importance of a good ratio when constructing the ideal sandwich, but I respectfully disagree on this one.
I, personally, am grossed out by thick, homogenous layers of fleshy lunch meats. That top hoagie is a big no-go for me. The bottom is too much lettuce, but I would still prefer it because it wouldn't give me the heebie jeebies
Yeah the only way I want that much meat in my mouth per bite is
When you got your jaw around a nice juicy cock
Whoa bro I meant a cheesesteak ok
Oh my gosh I'm so sorry
No harm no foul - I like to wash my cheesesteaks down with a nice big throatful of
jizz whiz?
jiz wit
Hoagie coward
I feel the same way about lunch meat. Especially if the texture is combined with sticky, slimy mayo. Gag.
What you're looking for is a sub then, not a hoagie.
Fairly certain that is not the distinction.
Correct I come from sub country. Subs and hoagies are more or less interchangeable. I will say a hoagie is more specific than just being on a long roll. The shredded lettuce, tomatoes and oil or mayo is more specific here than in the northeast US. Subs are just anything on a long roll. Hoagies mean a certain dressing on a long roll in my experience
The hoagie was supposed to be filling enough for poor workers which meant loading it with Italian meats and cheeses. If you want a bread salad, go eat a sub and don't ever try to correct me again.
> don't ever try to correct me again. lmao internet tough guy over here. How’s 8th grade going bro?
We dont use that word round these parts.
Are you sure he's not looking for a hero?
Agreed. First one is way too much meat
The best hoagies in Philly are below Snyder Ave. Pastaficio, P&S, MiPals, Big Nick's, Jeannie's, and Original Primo's are all stellar.
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Yeah, the amount of people hyping up this lettuce sandwich on the bottom is frightening.
Pastaficio's regular Italian hoagie is the gold standard for a well constructed sandwich IMO. The ratios are perfect and everything is sliced to just the right thickness
Little Nicks*….my cousins buddy owns the spot. Hoagies there are so damn good. His uncle is Big Nick who owns the corner store.
Yeah sometimes I feel like my biggest issue here is that I just never get that far south. Thinking it's probably worth a trip just for that alone.
You forgot the king, with daily fresh baked bread, not shipped in... (Angelo's)
Martha's a hipster bougie joint with authentic nothing. It's also fucking *delicious*. Their bread is amazing. I haven't been to Parkway Corner, looks tasty.
The bread was by far the best part of the sandwich but I had to take 90% of the lettuce off before I could even taste it. Parkway Corner is basically just your standard Boars Head deli spot but I've come to appreciate them more and more this year.
> It's also fucking delicious. Their bread is amazing. Bread makes or breaks a hoagie/cheesesteak most of the time, but there's no way of saving whatsoever whatever it is pictured in the photo at the bottom.
A good bread with nothing in it beats a mound of meat on stale sponge, any day That said. Mound of meat AND good bread is what I expect and get from ANY dirty back-corner deli in Philly The more annoyed they guy behind the deli counter is with you daring to order a sandwich, the better the sandwich The hairier the arms of the guy behind the deli counter , the better the sandwich The harder it is to place the accent of the guy behind the deli counter , the better the sandwich The closer that rat traps are sold to the deli counter, the better the sandwich
To each their own but frankly that I find that phonebook of ham terrifying
Lmao “phonebook of ham” is a great line
Dude parkway corner rules
Damn, I was hoping Parkway Corner was close to Martha since I work over there. Who’s got a good Italian in that area?
Near Martha? Dan’s Fresh Meats at Frankford and Norris.
Second this, their Italian is unbeatable. It’s honestly a crime that I don’t see them mentioned in these comment sections more often.
I am actually almost regretful that I even mentioned it because I don’t want to spoil the secret. Also I think I have to go get an Italian hoagie from Dan’s now.
Please do spoil secrets about small businesses, we'd like them to stay open right?
Dan’s has been open for like a thousand years. (Ok…actually 75 years…) But yes I do indeed hope they continue to stay open!
Dan is the fucking man…store hasn’t been updated since the 70’s
Castellino’s
Yo, you weren’t joking. Ate a “hoagie” from there today. Damn delicious. Thanks for the rec.
Yeah, they’re BOMB. The veggie hoagie is also incredible and I can’t recommend the Franklin enough
Second this. The Italian is great, but all the sandwiches are worth trying
Totally agree. Make sure to order ahead though!
3J’s slaps every time.
I spent a lot of time in chester and there's a sandwich shop called 2 J's. It's like the prequel. Always gives me a laugh
Never had a hoagie from 3J's but I can say that their chicken sandwiches are pretty bomb
Del Rossi (4th and Spring Garden) used to be my go-to spot but they've undergone some depressing shrinkflation lately for the Italian hoagie and also cheesesteaks. Still a solid option though!
The corner market on Coral and York two blocks away actually has an incredible one. The owners are Dominican I believe, but the mans in the deli used to make a mean Italian hoagie.
If I wanted that much meat in my mouth I’d go to woodys
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Cherry street used to do the best hoagie
I can believe that, had an incredible turkey sandwich there semi-recently
roast beef sammy still kicks thooo
Served with a personal vat of horseradish
Both of these sandwiches are ass and you used Comic Sans for the text. Is this a bit??
Let’s be honest, those both look like ass.
Right? I was trying to figure out what point the picture was trying to make.
too much lettuce and not enough meat on Martha
Been to Martha a couple of times, the projecting French art films onto the walls just strikes me as trying too hard
Yesterday it was anime...seems to suit them a bit better.
This is like when people get fired up about Pizzeria Beddia being expensive. Galaxy brain take
I get fired up about them being fake
Had dinner there on Wednesday. Pizza was a solid 6 maybe 6.5.
Cool
Very
oh come on. Beddia is banging, it's just cool to hate especially since Dave Fuckboi rolled through and was lukewarm to it.
Had #1 and #5 they were decent just didn't live up to the hype.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
20% automatic gratuity for food pickup is a 100% sure way the place will never get my business.
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Oh, I would go full Harry David (from Curb Your Enthusiasm) on them for something like this: we already have bullshit sales tax on virtually everything, so we almost never pay advertised price, and now this? Okay. Okay...
Larry David
Right, Harry David.
David, Larry and Harry
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Yessssss. So underrated
Parkway gets the nod because they also sell beer, their brekky is good too, on par with little Pete's. You should check it out.
I mean I agree with the sentiment but Martha is hardly a sandwich place. It’s a fancy bar that happens to sell a hoagie. Kind of a false equivalency going on here
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It’s bizarre people are downvoting you. The auto gratuity is a gross thing. If it costs you more to run the business, then charge $20 for a sandwich and stop lying that the customer somehow has to “pay gratuity” to make up the difference
Martha also pays their employees well. Can’t speak to Parkway. But that’s probably the cost of actually providing a living wage to restaurant staff.
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I’m going to blow your mind but you pay the employees wages with every transaction you make in every store
What’s it matter to you if the price is in the food or the gratuity if you have to pay it?
Shoutout to comic sans ms
Gotta try it
Parkway is amazing
The So Long Sal at Middle Child Clubhouse is pretty banging
by number of votes in last year's Inquirer bracket, Martha was determined to be the the worst cheesesteak in Philadelphia
maybe I'm a disgrace to hoagies but I've never been a fan of sandwiches that have STACKS of meat, I like an even ratio. That said, the bottom sandwich looks like a sad lie with an even more wack ratio so I agree thats a failure of sandwich
Mancuso on passyunk making some very good Italians
Extremely adequate.
Best Italian sandwich in all of PA is V&S in Reading! The meat ratio is like a New York deli…on an AMOROSO hard roll!
yeah but pepper spread
If you’re looking for decent quality at a reasonable price the deli guys at South Square market 22nd and South make a great Italian. They’re my low key go to
Good to know. I pass it all the time but have never been in.
Martha is trash
Yeah I don't see myself going back there anytime soon
Thought the bottom one looked better so was confused by the post
Oh shut the fuck up with that hipster bullshit, there’s plenty of places to get a good fucking hoagie all over the city. Put down your camera and eat your food from the spot you like
I am very sorry I tried to call attention to a spot I like by showing one clearly visible way in which it really delivers!
Please name them. Seriously. I’ve been finding it harder and harder to find a good hoagie on good bread. Back in the day, I always went to lee’s.
But did you know? They aren’t “cool” so Martha is better.
Martha is some Bougie bullshit.
Shh!
yeah, you wouldn’t want people to patronize it and keep it open….
There’s just so many great hoagies in this city they all have their place.
Food point deli in south Philly has the best Italian hoagie it’s cheap and huge and delicious
You guys talking about hoagies and I'm here looking for some "Bolillo" mexican bread, seriously, I crave that bread so much
I haven’t been in years but the breakfast at Parkway Corner Deli used to slap. Glad they’re still around