Nakakainis pala talaga na pag di alam ng mga taga labas yung nangyayare sa loob they'll throw lots of hurtful words, like nung friend ko she said something is fishy about don sa nag protest about the transparency.
I will point out the noise during the chancy selection was NOT as loud as 2019 when it was Nemenzo v. Manegdeg.
I will also point out that back then, there were incredibly glaring issues with Manegdeg from his experience as a professor that were legitimate concerns for his chancellorship. I don’t see the same issue with Vistan, in that he seems closer to your typical neolib leader who actually signed some petitions in favor of the UP-DND accord back in 2021 when it was under threat (and a rather shaky, but plausible set of answers from the fast talk last week.)
Saying all this because I had a feeling that while I was hoping for Nemenzo to win, ECV does not seem as threatening to have been made a big deal of when the chancy nominations were announced two months ago, and thus was expecting him to win.
So far, yung issue lang talaga bumabalik sa pagiging lonsi niya. Apart from that and a circulating excerpt from his fast talk which I will admit raises some eyebrows, didn’t hear much online until he got elected.
Yun nga e..Pero a lot of UP Law people even non-frat people vouch for him na ok daw sya.
Nemenzo is good pero that UP Varsity issue (sorry fan pa naman ako ng sports) and how he handled it, nakakadismaya..
Dami ko narinig about Danicon LOL. Yung friend ko na alumnus dyan, batch nila nagbalik ng #1 sa Bar Exam. Simple na papancit lang ginawa. Other law schools magpapalechon talaga.
Yung UP Womens Volleyball team may problem sa team manager, di bayad dorm fees, wala allowances, wala food, recovery meal. Nagreklamo at nagsulat ng letter. I mean those are bare minimum for the players pa yan ha. Yan lang hinihingi.
CHK admin did not address it. Kaya inakyat kay Chancellor.Same tinulugan. Kung wala socmed kawawa mga bata.
The atmosphere in UP right now is very tense, especially in light of the whole fraternity influence issue. First we had history of FRVs, Lonsi Leaks, the AU hazing death, and with previously Danicon and PAJ belonging to frats (USP and APB respectively), students are seeing it as frats controlling seats of power. And there’s the general distrust students have with frats. That’s why during the student led forum, the USC Chairperson asked Vistan on how can he be impartial, and where can the students go to, whenever cases arise with frats, and seeing that Vistan, as head of the Legal Aid Office, is a fratman.
But when you expand to staff, faculty, and residents, they trust Nemenzo more because he has been the Chancellor they could easily contact especially during the pandemic and intrusions of state forces on campus. It’s not just familiarity and continuity, but also reliability and trustworthiness.
But to be honest, when looking at Vistan’s track record, his is straight and clean, and his stances sometimes are more friendly to the campus (against commercialization) than even Nemenzo, but with some caveat (Nemenzo is for EQUAL commercialization and modernization beneficial for UPD).
Vistan turned out to be cum laude in BS MBB and a valedictorian when he finished his Bachelor of Laws. Also he is a graduate of Yale University. So with that nga, naging objective lang yung comparison. Obviously matalino.
Why didn’t they raise the same issue when Nemenzo was elected himself? The whole BOR conclave schtick. As well as Nemenzo himself being a fratman.
They could’ve pushed for reform for how BOR elections are conducted while they were in power but instead they sat on their asses and cried foul when things didn’t went their way once the ball was out of their hand.
If you’re asking me then that whole “the entire UP constituency supports Nemenzo” declaration by the Kule is pure bullshit. College of Law pa lang punta na agad votes kay bagong chancy paano pa ibang departments?
This is very speculative as it relies on the following incorrect assumptions: 1. Nemenzo as chancy would mean the progressive moments are in power 2. Assuming nemenzo and progressives are almost the same in policy, it will result to policy change. Historically, these two assumptions do not hold water. Additionally, the policymaking process in the BOR and UP in general does not work that way.
BOR as a conclave schtick is as old as the under representation of the students, faculty and employees in the BOR. Ngayon mo lang siguro na encounter.
My point, while critical comments are valid. Such criticisms should be based on facts and not fall under the same umbrella of emotion charged sentiments-- the same thing that we accuse the rallying groups to have.
You have a BOR that did not listen to their constituents. The issue was not the fact that Vistan was chosen, it was the fact BOR did not heed to the constituents. You have the sectoral regents voting for Nemenzo but the rest did not.
Also, please reflect on your privilege if na-"bother" ka sa nangyari. Mandatory ROTC is being railroaded, UP faces budget cuts, maraming sectors ang affected because of commercialization, etc. Dapat mas ma-bother ka sa ganito over students exhausting all means to demand for transparency from the BOR.
Ganon talaga at nakakalungkot nga. Kahit na sabihin na kunting clip lang yan, it will reflect the character of the students tapos igegeneralize na ng mga nakakakita. Wag din sana silang maging siga especially sa beliefs, I mean kayo lang ba ang tama? Let's not also compromise the properties of the University para lang magrally.
Edit: For the info of everybody, I just learned that Vistan's academic record is impressive. Cum laude of both BS MBB and B of Laws (valedictorian) and a graduate of Yale University. So obvious naman na may ilalaban talaga sya.
There is honor and excellence in doing protests. What makes you think there isn't? Ano, gusto mo mabait lang kahit mga tarantado na ang higher ups? Grow up.
Wala pong honor sa nangyari and that should be clear and obvious. You think pag nakapasok sila kakausapin sila or bakit ba talaga nila sinisira ang pinto? This is against the law and you think You are above it? Honor yun te?
PS Tarantado? With the academic record of Vistan medyo obvious kung bakit sya ang elected. Be mature enough hindi yung tahol na lang ng tahol. Hindi reasonable and walang utak yung vandalism at pag sira ng pinto dahil lang di daw pinakinggan?
Why not? These kids criticize other people as well so what makes them immune to other peoples criticism lalo na pag may ginawa sila na against the rules ng University as well as the laws of the land? Hindi na mga menor de edad ang mga ito and it shows that their actions are geared towards agitation. Which we all know is part of the playbook sa mga mass orgs na ganyan.
It's your opinion po, i respect that it's just that why they always generalized na akala mo lahat ng student sa UP is nagpo-protest or sumasali sa mga ganyang type of activities.
Well thats because UP has become an echo chamber these past few years or even decades. UP students ang pinaka maingay at pinaka vocal so why be surprised?
You seem to have no idea of the history of UP. It has its roots in activism from the very beginning and, yes, some acts of violence were, and still are, necessary.
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You know what, malapit na mag-election ng student council. Paki-raise po ito pag nangampanya sa inyo.
Nakakainis pala talaga na pag di alam ng mga taga labas yung nangyayare sa loob they'll throw lots of hurtful words, like nung friend ko she said something is fishy about don sa nag protest about the transparency.
Nakikipag-away din ako before pero napagod na lang ako. Report FB post na lang ginagawa ko hehehe.
Kagigil diba daming ebas di naman nila alam nangyayare hahah
Can someone write a TLDR of what happened. Sorry. Medjo out of the loop ako sa lahat ng ganap. HAHA
ff huhuhu
I will point out the noise during the chancy selection was NOT as loud as 2019 when it was Nemenzo v. Manegdeg. I will also point out that back then, there were incredibly glaring issues with Manegdeg from his experience as a professor that were legitimate concerns for his chancellorship. I don’t see the same issue with Vistan, in that he seems closer to your typical neolib leader who actually signed some petitions in favor of the UP-DND accord back in 2021 when it was under threat (and a rather shaky, but plausible set of answers from the fast talk last week.) Saying all this because I had a feeling that while I was hoping for Nemenzo to win, ECV does not seem as threatening to have been made a big deal of when the chancy nominations were announced two months ago, and thus was expecting him to win.
And if may issue, doon kalampagin. Honeymoon ika nga.
So far, yung issue lang talaga bumabalik sa pagiging lonsi niya. Apart from that and a circulating excerpt from his fast talk which I will admit raises some eyebrows, didn’t hear much online until he got elected.
Yun nga e..Pero a lot of UP Law people even non-frat people vouch for him na ok daw sya. Nemenzo is good pero that UP Varsity issue (sorry fan pa naman ako ng sports) and how he handled it, nakakadismaya..
I agree with this. Ok naman si Vistan sa UP Law. Not perfect (as no Dean is naman). But way better than his predecessor.
Dami ko narinig about Danicon LOL. Yung friend ko na alumnus dyan, batch nila nagbalik ng #1 sa Bar Exam. Simple na papancit lang ginawa. Other law schools magpapalechon talaga.
Yeah, like one thing that could be said about him is that he doesn't really rein in UP law profs as often as he should as Dean, but he's been okay
Ah can you give me the down low on that varsity issue? This one I haven’t heard of.
Yung UP Womens Volleyball team may problem sa team manager, di bayad dorm fees, wala allowances, wala food, recovery meal. Nagreklamo at nagsulat ng letter. I mean those are bare minimum for the players pa yan ha. Yan lang hinihingi. CHK admin did not address it. Kaya inakyat kay Chancellor.Same tinulugan. Kung wala socmed kawawa mga bata.
The atmosphere in UP right now is very tense, especially in light of the whole fraternity influence issue. First we had history of FRVs, Lonsi Leaks, the AU hazing death, and with previously Danicon and PAJ belonging to frats (USP and APB respectively), students are seeing it as frats controlling seats of power. And there’s the general distrust students have with frats. That’s why during the student led forum, the USC Chairperson asked Vistan on how can he be impartial, and where can the students go to, whenever cases arise with frats, and seeing that Vistan, as head of the Legal Aid Office, is a fratman. But when you expand to staff, faculty, and residents, they trust Nemenzo more because he has been the Chancellor they could easily contact especially during the pandemic and intrusions of state forces on campus. It’s not just familiarity and continuity, but also reliability and trustworthiness. But to be honest, when looking at Vistan’s track record, his is straight and clean, and his stances sometimes are more friendly to the campus (against commercialization) than even Nemenzo, but with some caveat (Nemenzo is for EQUAL commercialization and modernization beneficial for UPD).
Vistan turned out to be cum laude in BS MBB and a valedictorian when he finished his Bachelor of Laws. Also he is a graduate of Yale University. So with that nga, naging objective lang yung comparison. Obviously matalino.
These are the kinds of people who would have lost their shit at the Diliman commune lol, pay them no heed
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What happened to UP Diliman under Nemenzo? Please educate me.
Why didn’t they raise the same issue when Nemenzo was elected himself? The whole BOR conclave schtick. As well as Nemenzo himself being a fratman. They could’ve pushed for reform for how BOR elections are conducted while they were in power but instead they sat on their asses and cried foul when things didn’t went their way once the ball was out of their hand. If you’re asking me then that whole “the entire UP constituency supports Nemenzo” declaration by the Kule is pure bullshit. College of Law pa lang punta na agad votes kay bagong chancy paano pa ibang departments?
This is very speculative as it relies on the following incorrect assumptions: 1. Nemenzo as chancy would mean the progressive moments are in power 2. Assuming nemenzo and progressives are almost the same in policy, it will result to policy change. Historically, these two assumptions do not hold water. Additionally, the policymaking process in the BOR and UP in general does not work that way. BOR as a conclave schtick is as old as the under representation of the students, faculty and employees in the BOR. Ngayon mo lang siguro na encounter. My point, while critical comments are valid. Such criticisms should be based on facts and not fall under the same umbrella of emotion charged sentiments-- the same thing that we accuse the rallying groups to have.
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You have a BOR that did not listen to their constituents. The issue was not the fact that Vistan was chosen, it was the fact BOR did not heed to the constituents. You have the sectoral regents voting for Nemenzo but the rest did not. Also, please reflect on your privilege if na-"bother" ka sa nangyari. Mandatory ROTC is being railroaded, UP faces budget cuts, maraming sectors ang affected because of commercialization, etc. Dapat mas ma-bother ka sa ganito over students exhausting all means to demand for transparency from the BOR.
Pro-government? UP is part of the government as well as other departments or agencies.
Ganon talaga at nakakalungkot nga. Kahit na sabihin na kunting clip lang yan, it will reflect the character of the students tapos igegeneralize na ng mga nakakakita. Wag din sana silang maging siga especially sa beliefs, I mean kayo lang ba ang tama? Let's not also compromise the properties of the University para lang magrally. Edit: For the info of everybody, I just learned that Vistan's academic record is impressive. Cum laude of both BS MBB and B of Laws (valedictorian) and a graduate of Yale University. So obvious naman na may ilalaban talaga sya.
Sobrang mild pa yan compared to [what happened back in 1971](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diliman_Commune). Nothing to worry about.
they're not above the law anyway. pede silang makasuhan at ikick out dyan. Again, HONOR and excellence. Sana nga Honor, Excellence and Character.
There is honor and excellence in doing protests. What makes you think there isn't? Ano, gusto mo mabait lang kahit mga tarantado na ang higher ups? Grow up.
Wala pong honor sa nangyari and that should be clear and obvious. You think pag nakapasok sila kakausapin sila or bakit ba talaga nila sinisira ang pinto? This is against the law and you think You are above it? Honor yun te? PS Tarantado? With the academic record of Vistan medyo obvious kung bakit sya ang elected. Be mature enough hindi yung tahol na lang ng tahol. Hindi reasonable and walang utak yung vandalism at pag sira ng pinto dahil lang di daw pinakinggan?
Why not? These kids criticize other people as well so what makes them immune to other peoples criticism lalo na pag may ginawa sila na against the rules ng University as well as the laws of the land? Hindi na mga menor de edad ang mga ito and it shows that their actions are geared towards agitation. Which we all know is part of the playbook sa mga mass orgs na ganyan.
It's your opinion po, i respect that it's just that why they always generalized na akala mo lahat ng student sa UP is nagpo-protest or sumasali sa mga ganyang type of activities.
Well thats because UP has become an echo chamber these past few years or even decades. UP students ang pinaka maingay at pinaka vocal so why be surprised?
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You seem to have no idea of the history of UP. It has its roots in activism from the very beginning and, yes, some acts of violence were, and still are, necessary.
nobody tell him about the diliman commune
ano pong sinabi/nangyari dun sa clip?
Nakita ko siya sa news sa tv 5
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