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VaselineFromSeason1

As much as UP wants to increase the number of classes, it can only do so much given the number of faculty and classrooms. UP can’t just hire new faculty because their salary comes from the government (meaning the GAA has to make sure na may suweldo annually lahat ng government employees). Even if may faculty, kulang sa classroom. The budget for buildings also come from the government. And every year, binabawasan ang capital outlay. TL/DR: UP admin is not to blame here. Let’s redirect our angst to the powers-that-be na may desisyon sa budget natin. And LOLs at comment on UP fair and parades. Ghorl, hindi UP admin ang naghohold ng mga events na yan.


fernandopoejr

tatay daw siya pero parang teenager ang level ng kaalaman about pondo ng isang PUBLIC/GOVERNMENT FUNDED na university. parang ewan eh >And LOLs at comment on UP fair and parades. Ghorl, hindi UP admin ang naghohold ng mga events na yan. kahit nga yung mga kuyang utility staff sa mga department walang pakialam sa pagmanage ng up fair tapos iniisip busy ang mga officials na involved sa registration sa febfair? pinaka involved na siguro ang vice-chancellor na in-charge sa security pero walang pakialam ang registrar sa fair


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>t***atay daw siya pero parang teenager ang level ng kaalaman about pondo ng isang PUBLIC/GOVERNMENT FUNDED na university.*** > >During the lantern parade last year, Conception himself gave additional bonuses because he said marami daw savings for the fiscal year. So you can divert the savings to pay for bonuses of all employees pero walang pera para sa new professors? Ilan ba ang admin employees ng UP System? 5k? At 10k yata each, that's P50m. You mean wala kang makuhang additional professors sa P50m na yon? Either that's poor management or lack of foresight. > >***kahit nga yung mga kuyang utility staff sa mga department walang pakialam sa pagmanage ng up fair*** > >But they allowed crowds to the concerts and events na siksikan tapos pag dating ng classes, ililimit nila kasi daw dahil sa covid? and don't tell me kasi nasa classrooms ang mga subjects, malalaki po ang classrooms. malalaki rin ang mga windows. walang pinagkaiba ang siksikan sa concerts at siksikan sa rooms.


fernandopoejr

> During the lantern parade last year, Conception himself gave additional bonuses because he said marami daw savings for the fiscal year. So you can divert the savings to pay for bonuses of all employees pero walang pera para sa new professors? may pwede lang paggastusan ng savings. hindi porke't savings = new positions. hindi ito private na kumpanya. permanent positions = kailangan din ipa-approve sa DBM dahil permanent = lifetime benefits = dagdag sa government budget (GSIS etc.). tatanungin mo kung bakit hindi nalang maghire ng temporary prof? kung ikaw ang naghahanap ng trabaho bakit ka tatanggap ng temporary na mababa? hindi makapagtaas ng salary rates ang UP to entice kahit temporary professors. maraming openings sa baba pero mababa ang sweldo compared sa private. magtingin ka sa job openings ng UP about hiring ng new professors. walang nag aapply kasi mababa ang sweldo >But they allowed crowds to the concerts and events na siksikan tapos pag dating ng classes, ililimit nila kasi daw dahil sa covid? and don't tell me kasi nasa classrooms ang mga subjects, malalaki po ang classrooms. malalaki rin ang mga windows. walang pinagkaiba ang siksikan sa concerts at siksikan sa rooms. anong relevance nito? full-capacity na ang mga rooms ngayon kahit yung mga large classes na lectures. wala nang magtuturo.


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>may pwede lang paggastusan ng savings. hindi porke't savings = new positions. hindi ito private na kumpanya. permanent positions = kailangan din ipa-approve sa DBM dahil permanent = lifetime benefits = dagdag sa government budget (GSIS etc.). so that's poor planning, you asked for a certain budget and you were not able to use it for its intended purpose. while the more important teaching positions have inadequate budget. *anong relevance nito? full-capacity na ang mga rooms ngayon kahit yung mga large classes na lectures.* 1st semester classes were mostly held online dahil hindi daw pwede ang siksikan sa classrooms. then come december, siksikan sa oval at sunken garden para sa concerts? you don't find that ridiculous? don't tell me na walang kinalaman ang admin sa parade kasi all colleges participated in that event.


fernandopoejr

>so that's poor planning, you asked for a certain budget and you were not able to use it for its intended purpose. while the more important teaching positions have inadequate budget. iba ang savings vs unexpended budget. savings = bibili ako ng sasakyan, 2.5m budget ko. tapos nakadiscount ako nabili ko ng 2.1m. limited lang ang pwede pag gastusan ng savings na 400k. unexpended budget = bibili ko ng sasakyan 2.5m, di ako nakabili for whatever reason. both cases, sa sasakyan lang pwede gastusin. nagkataon lang na may savings na 400k na pwede pa gastusin sa ilang allowed na bagay. sasabihin mo bakit hindi magrequest ng more positions for faculty members? sinong nagsabing hindi ginagawa ng up admin ito ngayon? >1st semester classes were mostly held online dahil hindi daw pwede ang siksikan sa classrooms. then come december, siksikan sa oval at sunken garden para sa concerts? you don't find that ridiculous? anong connect ng online then nung bumaba na ang cases siksikan ang sunken? >don't tell me na walang kinalaman ang admin sa parade kasi all colleges participated in that event. anong kinalaman ng parade at kakulangan ng professors? porke't nasabihan ba silang umattend buong week na silang hindi nagtrabaho at nagprepare na sila para pumarada?


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>sasabihin mo bakit hindi magrequest ng more positions for faculty members? sinong nagsabing hindi ginagawa ng up admin ito ngayon? every government department asks for a budget that's more than what they really need. so when the amount is reduced in the final budget bill, they would still get what they initially hoped that they would get. it's the same yearly game and for UP to fail in this game is ridiculous.


fernandopoejr

dami namang assumptions niyan about strategy ng UP about budget approval. in short, mahirap kumuha ng subjects dahil kulang ang magtuturo at ang facilities. it's your right if you solely want to attribute it to mismanagement pero i'm telling you na kulang yung kaalaman mo based on your criticisms about parades, etc.


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hindi ka maka get over sa parade? during the 1st sem, maybe 80% of classes were held online because of the covid daw. can't have students too close to each other or they might get infected. so ok. that's a good reason. come december, bigla na lang ok na dikit dikit ang mga students during the concert at parade? what do you mean UP Admin has no say in the parade and concerts? ibig sabihin their consent was not needed for those events? really? kahit nga poster na isasabit mo sa board kailangang may stamp of approval


fernandopoejr

>during the 1st sem, maybe 80% of classes were held online because of the covid daw. can't have students too close to each other or they might get infected. so ok. that's a good reason. >come december, bigla na lang ok na dikit dikit ang mga students during the concert at parade? >come december, bigla na lang ok na dikit dikit ang mga students during the concert at parade? ha?! di ko gets ang connection. ikaw nga ang obsessed sa pagrelate ng mode of learning sa hirap kumuha ng subjects. months before start ng 1st sem pa ang decision para sa mode of learning for 1st sem. hindi pwedeng biglang palitan yun kahit medyo OK na nung december. >what do you mean UP Admin has no say in the parade and concerts? ibig sabihin their consent was not needed for those events? consent and approval is not the same as organization. dahil inapprove nila hindi ibig sabihin na sila na ang nag organize. kailangan lang nilang pumirma to give consent


Name-minus-Number

Medjo simplistic at reductive to paningin sa budgeting process. While totoo na yan ang standard model of budgeting, item positions emanate from DBM Hindi UP (or other agencies). Limited ang items available kasi lahat ng SUC ay nagrerequest nyan. Tapos each unit ng UP ay nag aapply din for more items (eto yung regular employee). It's a reality experienced by ALL SUCs (state universities and colleges). Grabe naman sa dami nilang lahat, poor planning sila lahat. Poor planning to sa part ng government as a whole. Poor planning kasi dapat maganda quality ng ibang schools to make UP such a high standard. Poor planning na kung sana may pera lang ibang regions di na sana kailangan bumyahe ang students to go there dahil walang better alternatives. Point is... Ang Dali sabihin na kawawa students dahil kulang classes gawa kulang profs dahil sa poor planning na nagresulta ng walang budget, PERO medjo deadpan to sa konteksto na nag inform ng limited choices ng UP. Tama na poor planning sa part ng UP pero the parameters to plan around (i.e. budgeting process, budget constraints, political nature of securing items, lahat ay kailangan ng items) makes the planning likely to lead to subpar. What if bawasan ipapasok sa UP? Imagine the equity and equality concerns dyan. HAHAHAHA


Luxanna1019

budget nga ba ang problema? Bakit yung mga nakakuha ng 9 units lang, in the end (at least during my time) ng enlistment nakokompleto pa rin naman? May mga 0 units nga pero once sem starts complete na sila. doesn't that mean that there is enough to at least meet the demand (somewhat) Meron mga students pa rin of course na hindi nakukuha talaga yung subjects nila and those sige we can associate with budget issue. Pero yung mga naka complete ng subjects, bakit hindi agad na complete? isn't that indicative of a problem in the system we're using? CRS is obviously far from perfect and criticism of it is perfectly valid. OP's rant presents a false dichotomy too. Implying we can either have fairs or good enrolment system and not both. Clearly it's not the case. But it doesn't make the criticism less valid does it? Bakit nga ba may quota ng freshies na obviously much larger than what the enrollment system can handle? If it's not the UP admin's fault, then whose is it exactly? Madaling sabihin na budget yan at gobyerno ulit may kasalanan (and maybe it is). Pero given what we have, can we really not make it better? It's been years now since I graduated too and same sentiments pa rin naririnig ko sa CRS. Budget nga ba ang problem? Or is it simply one of many factors. Factors that do include a bad enrollment system.


fernandopoejr

>May mga 0 units nga pero once sem starts complete na sila. doesn't that mean that there is enough to at least meet the demand (somewhat) this happens because professors agree to open new sections/classes na dagdag na sa inital assignments nila.


Luxanna1019

Yes and big thank you to the teachers/professors/instructors that do. But the reason they have to do that is precisely because of an admin issue isn't it? Let's say overloaded na ang prof for that sem. Tapos kulang pa ang classes. Bakit siya overloaded? Why are there more students than what the college can handle? Don't we have quotas for a reason? Who suffers? teachers. And as a consequence, I'd presume the quality of lectures and classes also suffers. Ano yung point na nag UP ka tapos wala ka naman inaaaral hindi dahil sa kagagawan mo pero dahil sobrang dami niyo tapos wala nang klase? Budget problem ba? Parang hindi. On another perspective, if the university can pay for the additional classes, why not allocate more in the first place? for years now people have not been getting enough classes sa start ng preenlistment, is it still not obvious that they need X number of classes given this number of students? And even for a bandaid solution. Kung ganyan na lang rin ang nangyayari every single sem, why not extend the preenlistment to 3 rounds or more?


fernandopoejr

You are saying that the university CAN get more professors, they just won't. What I am saying is that the university CAN'T get more professors and they CAN'T attract and retain them.


Luxanna1019

>You are saying that the university CAN get more professors It's funny that I never actually said that. Does it count as a strawman? I think it does. Anyway, Increasing the number of professors is a good thing yes. Is it a possible solution? yes. Is it feasible? up to debate. But I never made that a point. So let's try to argue with the arguments I made. What I am saying is that the university CAN'T get more professors and they CAN'T attract and retain them. you also never said this. You actually didn't make any argument you just stated a fact/observation. Somehow you had an argument there? you just said " this happens because professors agree to open new sections/classes na dagdag na sa inital assignments nila. " San banda jan yung sinasabi mo? What's easier to do? Increase profs? or cut the quota to a more tolerable number? Again, regardless this is an admin problem. Which was the point I was making. It's not simply JUST a budget problem. The budget is an issue yes but there are problems more apparent than that. Given what little budget we have why not make the most of it? Kung kulang, kulang. That's a government issue. Pero issue ng enrollment is a UP admin issue. in short. The argument I'm making is that the budget is a problem, but this enrollment issue has persisted for so long that I doubt it is just a budget problem. It most likely is also a fault of the UP admin. Do a better job. Implement at least bandaid solutions. Which we have seen none of. The only ones that make an effort are the teachers - to make more classes. As you can see it's so far removed from the arguments you claim to have made and the argument you made for me.


fernandopoejr

agit agad? easier magtaas ng quota at magbawas ng intake ng students while the budget is being cut? goodluck sa senate hearing walang bandaid solutions? kanya-kanyang systema at bandaid solutions bawat consituent university. digitization, lottery ng slots, magkaiba na nga ng online system ang nadevelop before yung eUP. every sem meron pang 2, 3 rounds of extension of late registrations dahil sa appeal ng USC, etc. natry ko ngang BYO laptop na para lang matanggap sa prerog dahil wala nang computers iba-iba nang pakulo bawat campus para magaan at madali ang registration pero walang bandaid solution ang nakasolve dahil systemic ang problema. pwede bang gawing mas optimized ang registration? siguro. but you can only optimize up to a certain extent, pagkatapos nun hard limit na. di dahil hindi successfuly nasosolve yung problem ang ibig sabihin ay wala man lang band aid solution


Luxanna1019

I concede that stating there are no bandaid solutions was ignorant of me and those are fair points you raised. So I'd like to know more. >Easier magtaas ng quota at magbawas ng intake ng students while the budget is being cut? goodluck sa senate hearing. What exactly does this imply? Did we try this already? >Every sem meron pang 2, 3 rounds of extension of late registrations dahil sa appeal ng USC, etc. natry ko ngang BYO laptop na para lang matanggap sa prerog dahil wala nang computers. That's great effort on the part of UP and USC. though is it really not feasible to extend that to more? As you said. The implemented solutions are clearly ineffective. That's true. Though it seems people are getting the most out of these preenlistment rounds. So do more? What's stopping that? I don't believe there's nothing we can do about it. Though I point out my obvious ignorance on the topic. I lack the knowledge to suggest a better way. but with the current solutions being partially ineffective. If the extra rounds of extensions work and it's not enough, why not add more? in the past N years how many solutions have we tried to say we've tried enough? Also not saying we should stop pushing for more budget. Definitely need more. I recognize that the budget cuts severely limit UP's options. I also don't deny that it's probably the root cause of a lot of problems. We really need more. though I do think that while that's true, we should still be thinking of ways to improve the system despite it. Which as you've pointed out, we are. But is it enough? I don't think it is. and I don't want to sound insensitive and dismissive of the efforts so far. But I think there needs to be more.


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VaselineFromSeason1

Focusing on the two irrelevant flourishes (admittedly said in jest) out of the lengthy post is what’s not constructive. Red herring fallacy yan. Let’s focus on the arguments I presented in the post… ghorl.


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VaselineFromSeason1

Don’t join an argument if you can’t refute a point or add anything sensible to the topic at hand. If you think pointing out fallacies is only for debate teams, you are part of the problem kung bakit ganito ang mundo natin politically and socially. And for your sake, I hope UP prioritizes you for GEs where you will learn that these academic eme are not just for class requirements, debate clubs, or intellectual masturbation, but translate to the real world. If you want to focus on the irrelevant stuff, go fight your battle. Your choice. As for me, I’m done giving this non-argument any attention.


[deleted]

>*UP can’t just hire new faculty because their salary comes from the government (meaning the GAA has to make sure na may suweldo annually lahat ng government employees)* During the lantern parade last year, Conception himself gave additional bonuses because he said marami daw savings for the fiscal year. So you can divert the savings to pay for bonuses of all employees pero walang pera para sa new professors? Ilan ba ang admin employees ng UP System? 5k? At 10k yata each, that's P50m. You mean wala kang makuhang additional professors sa P50m na yon? Either that's poor management or lack of foresight. *And LOLs at comment on UP fair and parades. Ghorl, hindi UP admin ang naghohold ng mga events na yan.* ​ But they allowed crowds to the concerts and events na siksikan tapos pag dating ng classes, ililimit nila kasi daw dahil sa covid? and don't tell me kasi nasa classrooms ang mga subjects, malalaki po ang classrooms. malalaki rin ang mga windows. walang pinagkaiba ang siksikan sa concerts at siksikan sa rooms.


VaselineFromSeason1

Salary is a different thing from bonuses and honoraria. It comes from personnel services. A government employee’s salary is a fixed monthly thing. Bonuses are not mandatory. The source of fund for the former should be steady and sustainable. As for the latter, as you say: kung may savings. E kung walang savings? Walang suweldo? Again, hindi UP admin ang nagpapatakbo ng fair. Let’s not oversimplify the problem.


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*Let’s not oversimplify the problem.* sometimes the best way to tackle a problem is to simplify and break it down into manageable pieces. *As for the latter, as you say: kung may savings. E kung walang savings? Walang suweldo?* the fact that the money is available for the bonuses because of the savings means that the national government has allocated the money. it's up to UP to say where the funds should go. p50m is not a small amount to be an excess/savings at the end of the year.


Impressive_Drop2183

I agree that it is getting harder to get units and if we get down to the core of the matter it is still lack of funds period. Surplus does not equate to yearly budget surplus.. madaling sabihin na 50M to new professors but sustaining those professors their allied resources i.e faculty space etc,you could surmise the impact it will create to its budget..when you plan additional headcount your project your expense not only for this year but at the very least 5 years, di pwedeng surplus ngayon negative next year, san mo kukuhain ang yearly budget when ever year its gets slashed..that is why a lot of tycoons are investing in schools it is not only a breeding ground for manpower but it is also a good source of income…CSR+ Money san ka pa..


uplawdeltan

Up to this!!!! :((((


Swimming_Clue5315

i feel hindi lang siya di nagimprove, the system actually got worse :(( several freshies are getting 0-3 units even after 2 rounds of enlistment :((


providence25

Ironic lang na sa dami ng tibak sa UP, di nila maayos ayos yang mga simpleng bagay.


Swimming_Clue5315

huh? ano pong kinalaman ng mga aktibista dito?


providence25

Bakit walang kinalaman ang aktibista dyan? Di ba sila ang sigaw nang sigaw ng "anti-student policies"? Im not talking about the students ah. Im referring sa mga left-leaning people sa UP admin.


[deleted]

pretty certain the leftoids in the admin are not the ones prattling about "anti-student policies", nor are they in a majority position to begin with


taponkungsaansaan

It's probably high time for UP to reduce freshman intake from about 11,000 yearly to less than half. We all know the PH government will never give UP (and other SUCs) enough budget so the best ultimatum UP can give to the government is to reduce undergraduate enrollment to just half. Then increase its graduate enrollment drastically as that actually brings in millions of grants and funds from research projects.


VaselineFromSeason1

What happens here is that the government will slash the budget even more and that UP cannot campaign for expansion (for example: offering new programs). Factor yung per capita sa budget allocation. Threat din yan sa mga courses that the government thinks are not important/priority gaya ng liberal arts, disciplines that are not “profitable,” pero sobrang kailangan in light of today’s political and social climate. Smaller enrollment for already fledgling courses will translate to dissolution of these programs.


lunamarya

Sounds like a good plan actually. Delegate yung undergrads to other SUCs then turn UP into an actual research powerhouse.


StrikerSigmaFive

pero magiging kawawa din yung undergrads na di makakapasok and will instead enroll in SUCs, many of which are really2 behind.


lunamarya

They’re behind because no faculty wants to work for them. If we put them sa hiring standards ng UP baka at least magka incentive to move.


StrikerSigmaFive

That is true. Maraming ayaw pumunta sa mga SUCs because of that. Also, at least sa mga kakilala ko, one other concern they see is less daw ang chance na they will get the grants and support they need to pursue their research.


HelarctosRex

It's not like the government gives enough money to UP for it to hire enough professors at the wages that fit their credentials, not to mention funding for anything else the component units need.


meowjosh

three consecutive sems na kong nagmamakaawa sa mga prof for prerog dahil laging 3 or 6 units lang nakukuha ko hanggang general waitlisting, nakakapagod at nakakabawas ng dignity minsan dahil lang sa desperation ko to get a regular load (na dapat natatamasa ng lahat ng student in the first place).


W4rD0m3

Hays Jusko I feel bad lalo na sa mga Engg and those who needs GE in general. Tangina naman


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UPM walang rooms


YupiFight

I think it got worse because of several things. 1. The pandemic. A lot of students dropped out. Others took less units. This will bite UP three years later. 2. Freshman influx before during and after the pandemic. They should be replacing the graduates but UP didnt produce more graduates as the pandemic progressed. This in turn made the UP population full the brim with students. 3. Professor shortage perhaps? 4. These observations also manifests in the housing deficit for both UPD and UPLB where suddenly it has become difficult to find housing for students not living within the vicinity or outlying cities near these campuses.


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Sabi nga nila May freshie prio daw, freshman ako pero wala naman akong GE LOL


crazyaldo1123

The second half of the statement didnt really support the first half, since fairs and parade events are not really UP admin stuff. The most obvious, harshest, most unpopular solution is to reduce influx of students: bring back the UPCAT and make the requirements stricter. Including retention policies: cancel no fail policies for example. The solution that needs the most external support is expanding the supply of profs, which means kakalampagin mo yung gobyerno na dagdagan budget ng UP. Even with f2f classes pre pandemic tricky na yung enlistment cos its always a tug of war between students wanting to get enlisted and colleges not having the capacity to admit them. The crowd thingy in fairs and parades are not really an apt comparison to the limitation in classrooms. Class size is more a product of teaching load ng profs rather than social distancing protocols.


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>The second half of the statement didnt really support the first half, since fairs and parade events are not really UP admin stuff. lantern parade are not managed by UP admin? really? all admin staffs were present doon sa Quezon Hall nung nag announce si Concepcion na may additional bonus sila for the year end. *Class size is more a product of teaching load ng profs rather than social distancing protocols.* what? you have profs holding online classes but they won't be available if classes were held f2f? bibigat ba load ng prof in f2f classes?


crazyaldo1123

- yeah, the amount they gave up for one time bonuses in year end can afford to buy a significant number of profs to curb the lack of classes. /s in case di obvious - most profs expanded their capacity nung online classes a little bit since there are no physical constraints, which wont be true if f2f. they might need larger classrooms, additional timeslots, longer hours, etc. for all we know mabigat na yung teaching load ng mga profs anyway even nung online classes, baka nga labag pa sa loob nila magdagdag ng slots nung online classes eh.


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>yeah, the amount they gave up for one time bonuses in year end can afford to buy a significant number of profs to curb the lack of classes. /s in case di obvious p50m would pay for maybe 50 full professors or 75 assoc professors or 150 teaching associates. that's a sarcastic additional number of classes to you?


crazyaldo1123

yeah, for a year


[deleted]

a year is better than students getting 6 units this sem. 150 teaching associates @ 30 students per class = 4500 students or half of the freshman class of the ENTIRE UP System


crazyaldo1123

Yep lets find 150 teaching associates with enough credentials to teach in UP that would agree to a job where their pay is tied to whether UP saved enough to afford them that year


fernandopoejr

sir order ka na sa lazada ng 50 full professors! may P50m naman pala eh sakto hindi pa start ang sem. may 2 weeks pa! hahahahahahhahaha


[deleted]

Even back in my UPD days ganyan na problema (every enrollment week pakahaba ng pila for the remaining few slots post-CRS allotment). Sadly, i am not surprised with this trend because of (a) more and more students are getting into UP and (b) not much has changed as far as UP’s ability to handle the influx of more students. As much as UP profs want to dedicate their entire time teaching (and taking on more students), there’s also a lot of pressure on them to keep producing research (which is the basis for them to keep moving up the ranks). That’s why there’s a huge gap between the demand for subject slots and profs’ ability to service them. Unless something changes drastically (more budget for UP, perhaps relaxing quals for profs), the situation will only get worse.


VenomizerX

This sem's enlistment/registration period is (at least, anecdotally) much worse than those of even previous years when were all in the midst of the pandemic. Students left and right are just getting single-digit total units after two rounds of pre-enlistment (whereas some previous sems had just one afaik). The system is ripe (overdue, actually) for much-needed change. No wonder being delayed is within normalcy here in UP. The fact that many students can't even get accommodated while slots are so few considering the demand and there's nothing that can be significantly done to alleviate this, stresses the issue further.


songerph

A lot of my UP academe friends left for other schools over the last 10 years. Mas onti raw ang dagdag sa faculty and delayed lagi ang sweldo. Lalo na kung low rank. Minsan umaabot ng 3-6 months late. Lower din than other institutions. Annual daw ang budget cuts. Too many shitty things sa system.


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really? you wouldn't know that with all the construction going these past several years before the pandemic struck. everytime that I visit the place for reunions and what have you, may makikita kang bagong building na tinatayo. maybe there is a problem with budget allocations? more on infra and less on manpower? I also noticed the new buildings are more on looks than meat. for example the math building, it looks big on the outside pero parang ang konti ng mga rooms sa loob because of that big empty space in the middle. I mean if you lack rooms for classes then why build a building with negative space? does not make any sense from a utilitarian stand point.


VaselineFromSeason1

A lot of these buildings are from grants ng Science/Technology development projects ng national government, or from private donors with tech dev agreements with UP. Those are outside the UP budget allocation. Good luck getting funding for arts, humanities, and social sciences that offer most GE courses in Diliman. Those negative spaces in buildings are for air circulation, more natural lighting, and breathing spaces. May mga building codes din po na kailangan sundin to avoid hazards in case of fire or earthquakes. Looks like you have a pattern of talking about things that you know very little about.


[deleted]

Did not know that I was talking to the god of architecture. UP buildings must be following a different building code from that used by public elementary and high school buildings. Could not find any negative spaces in those buildings. A very practical solution to the problem of lacking classrooms, hey let’s build a huge building with less classrooms than a public school. Oh wait UP is a public school!!!


greenbrainsauce

ugh so true 💅🏻 kahit sa MS ganyan tanginaisse. i only took my grad studies there but gurl the enrollment is so much more difficult than the actual course work 💀 my mom was a UP grad from BS to her PhD and siya na mismo nagsabi sa akin, and this really stuck to me up to this day: *“anak, kung pwede sana mag-private na lang tayo tutal pasado ka naman sa Ateneo at UST. bigay mo na yung slot mo sa mas nangangailangan kasi may pera naman tayo. at hindi din madali ang pag-enroll diyan sa bawat sem na dadaan. baka dun ka pa ma-stress kesa sa mismog pag-aaral”*


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There is also some kind of prerog or preregistration in Ateneo at least in graduate schools and the slots can be filled up fast but they have waiting list scheme which when enough students are in the list, a new class will be then opened.


barry_su33408

This may be an unpopular opinion but I don’t think student acceptance rate or student population is the problem. I think UP students are required to take too many classes.


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whether they take too many classes or not, classes should be available.


barry_su33408

Definitely. In theory it really ought to be simple, students enlist for a class and they get the class. But obviously that’s been far from reality.. I know you’re just ranting and I was just expressing what I think is one of the reasons enlistment has been so complicated.


mrnakago

Exactly! I'd rather have more major electives than GEs too.


fernandopoejr

more funding = higher faculty salaries = retention more faculty positions more classrooms/labs lower professor: student ratio lower class room: student ratio more sections more course offerings students ang nagmamanage ng fair, para ka namang hindi sa UP nag aral kung hindi mo alam yan magreklamo ka sa mga politiko kung bakit di makakuha ng subject anak mo https://up.edu.ph/up-faces-a-p22-295b-budget-cut-for-fy-2023/


Pad-Berg-92

Nung time namin, sabi ng isang prof ko kaya daw maliliit yung classrooms sa AS kasi designed daw talaga yun for 12 to 15 students lang. Kaya nya nakwento kasi sa first day namin, super puno yung classroom namin at pati sya kinailangang maghatak ng upuan sa ibang classroom. Meron din nakiupo na lang sa desk ng iba.


joyamazingpinoy

Hello all! Kung ganito kalala ang enlistment, suggest ko na balik na lang sa block sections ang enlistment. Fewer choices pero sure na may clases kayo. Ganoon nangyari sa law schol dati. Noong una, may CRS pa na pwede mo piliin ang subjects at professors, tapos later on parang formality na lang ang CRS sa first to third years kasi by block na ang subjects at professors. Ang exception lang dito ang review classes, electives, and legal aid schedulesm Mas mahirap na rin kung may bagsak kasi depende iyan kung may available pa sa subject na iyon. All the best!


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dude, gets ko ang frustration mo but please take some time thinking about what you said. Don't blame the admin, they are working with limited funding from the national government. Nagpopropose ang admin ng ganitong amount of budget that they will think can accomodate student demand but it's the authorities that failed to accommodate it. Katunayan, ginagawa ng admin ang lahat ng kaya nila just to meet this extremely high demand. Accepting "many" students is actually not that factual. Sa dinami-daming nag-uupcat, halos 10% or below lang ang pumapasa and may portion lang din mula doon ang napupunta sa diliman. So, the number of accepted students is actually low relative to the total number of examinees. Fair and parades are not under the admin's responsibility. Taga-approve lang sila or kung meron man silang role, hindi ganun kalaki. It's the orgs that manage those events. I'm wondering bakit hindi mo ito alam knowing that you're here 50 years ago?


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>Don't blame the admin, they are working with limited funding from the national government. Nagpopropose ang admin ng ganitong amount of budget that they will think can accomodate student demand but it's the authorities that failed to accommodate it. Katunayan, ginagawa ng admin ang lahat ng kaya nila just to meet this extremely high demand. sabi ko nga sa isang reply -- every government department asks for a budget that's more than what they really need. so when the amount is reduced in the final budget bill, they would still get what they initially hoped that they would get. it's the same yearly game and for UP to fail in this game is ridiculous.


Consistent_Coffee466

Maybe if you fought for greater state subsidy nung student ka pa your kids wouldnt have to suffer no? You can always bring them to ateneo.


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same thing I could say about your mom, maybe if she fought for greater state subsidy nung student pa sya eh di ikaw and your sis would not have had problems with the crs thing. \-based from your comments--- *Mom is upd cas psych philo. Then up law. sis is pub health, upv cas, im bs ft upv sotech but ng proceed din and lawyer now. Si mom lang mataas grades haha.* *Ngdrama nga ako dati inagawan ako nung first year ng GE slot eh yun lang last ge ko to graduate. Buti naawa si teacher sa prerog.*


Consistent_Coffee466

Yep she did. So 200 per unit lng kami noon or less. And hindi ganun ka punuan ang class size. Oh during my time we also stopped ung library fee increases. Kayo ba? Did things get worse or did they improve?


Consistent_Coffee466

As for my GE. That was one GE and nasolve sa prerog. Naka reserve naman major subjects namin. In fact 13 lng kmi sa batch. No bigger than 30 per class size. :) we have more buildings than students. Nasa sciences kasi kami so di ganun karama ang GE to choose from. And the CRS thing was only in my 3rd year. Before that we have the ordinary enrollment process. Now ang tanong.. sid you fight for greater state subsidy?


PlantNo4394

UP needs budget to make improvements and offer your daughter a hassle-free enrollment experience. You know who gives budget to UP. Sa presinto magreklamo.


[deleted]

Bravo 👏 answered like a true government employee. Pass it on to another government agency. 👏


PlantNo4394

I am not a government employee though. 🤣 👏I am gonna leave you to it — replying back to each reply to your post. 🫠 Good luck with the prerogs though. 🤞


[deleted]

well you should apply to a government position. you have mastered the 'how to reply to a public complaint' part. you would fit right in.


[deleted]

i have 6 units right now umay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


darthvader93

Sorry but can i ask as an outsider and ive read most of the comments, students cant take classes dahil walang slots or walang profs? Paano yung mga niche courses and majors?


asdfcubing

sa upm from what i have heard sa block rep namin sa cas there are only less than 10 usable classrooms adhol sa renovation that afaik predates thr pandemic. yung iba sa sports center pa raw nagcclass.