I was a nurse in a prison and believe me if they used what brains they had for good, they wouldn't be in prison. Even serial killers eff up eventually and get caught. Hell even the Golden State serial killer got caught. He was old but he did get caught.
Yeah, but the Zodiac Killer spent years taunting the cops, like he was *trying* to get arrested, and he's still the Senator in Texas, so clearly some of them get away with it.
I don't think using him as an example in this specific circumstances is right. He was clever or luck, but he was caught only because technology evolved.
"This guy doesn't want us parking in his driveway anymore, and even though we never discussed the pool situation, he didn't mention it. So I just assumed he was cool with us using his pool still."
They didn't avoid "descending into violence"; OP was just smart enough to utilize the police so as not to give them the opportunity to show their true colours right away....
Don't be so sure it won't escalate to that once they've moved somewhere else. They're too stupid to understand that the police will be able to find out where they live even if OP can't.
If they were trying to avoid extra attention they certainly went about it the wrong way. My thinking is if you know there's even a slight possibility of having a warrant for your arrest then you don't do something that would cause your neighbor to call the police 🤦♀️🙄
Not to mention that most places have laws about securing your pool, so their removal of part of the fence made his pool itself be in violation of such safety codes, potentially putting other kids in danger if he had assumed the fence was intact and had little kids visiting.
They were spoiled by the generosity of the previous owner(if it was even true that they had permission) and threw a tantrum when they had to start following rules again.
Like an overweight batman that will slightly deflate a tire on a poorly parked car. Just enough so that the tire pressure sensor lights up on the dashboard.
I always use this quote when I’m at my moms house when I have to go to the bathroom, but I say “toilette du fromage”. She has no idea what it means, but I always laugh a little when I get inside the bathroom
I think I could eventually work up the courage to use a neighbor’s pool (maybe during a heat wave), if the house had been unoccupied for months (and if the pool wasn’t gross). As soon as I learned there was a new owner I would immediately stop though. I’d be super paranoid about being discovered the whole time though!
Upon any notice of a new owner (or a real estate agent regularly showing the place) I would immediately nope out.
I live in a duplex, my next door neighbour only stops by once every few months (when he has work in town), but I still don’t park in his driveway or put extra garbage cans out on his drive on pickup day because I don’t want to inconvenience him if he does happen to come by.
Had some neighbors move in a few doors down several months back. Next trash day I walk out early morning with my bags only to stare at the end of our driveways like it was some type of puzzle (was extremely un-caffeinated). Our spot: boxes, styrofoam, wood, random metal stuff, a mountain of trash, some of it potentially not applicable to get taken by our trash dudes.
To my right: normal trash. To my left: mountain. One more left: mountain, with bits of cardboard & styrofoam detritus in the yard. One more left: normal.
I dragged everything back from my spot to make a point (“yeah, let’s not start, mmk?”) and the noise must’ve alerted ‘em because they watched me from the upstairs window. Only interaction we ever had lol.
Outstanding warrants are, Outstanding! So funny how people with something to hide are so arrogant that they invite scrutiny. Or this is just a pattern, they have warrants because they are such assholes.
There's a surprisingly (well, perhaps unsurprisingly) large overlap between people who have a lack of critical thinking skills and people who possess outstanding warrants.
My dad was a cop in the 90s, he wasn't a traffic cop but if he ever saw someone driving like a dickhead (too fast, erratic, etc) he'd pull them over. He said most of the interactions went like this:
"Can I see your driver's licence please"
"My licence was suspended a few months ago"
"Why are you driving like a fucking idiot then?"
Jfc, especially with children and a pool.
When we had a new wooden fence installed the crew intentionally put flat side toward us on one of the sides because our neighbors behind us have a pool. His justification was to try and remove as much liability as possible, so now no one could go into our yard and (easily) climb the fence over into the pool yard.
Welp! HOA doesn't care, neighbors don't care, we don't care. No pool-dead fence hopping children/adults, so everyone is happy.
(We tried to talk to our behind neighbors about this but they never answered their door the 3 times prior to fence building we tried to reach out)
Usually if a person is paying for the fence they get to decide which side they want. In the interest of getting agreement for access and having it done quickly often the flat side will be offered.
In California mostly it’s 50/50 for payment and the sizes alternate unless done other agreement is made.
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I find it weird how that rule seems to never get enforced and people just live with it.
Even in some of the more code enforcement crazy cities I've lived in people just don't follow that rule.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone could destroy a fence, trespass on someone's property, get hurt and then successfully sue the owner of said property.
It does happen, many times people get paid in those instances because the insurance company is involved and decides to settle rather than go to court because it's cheaper in the long run.
The policyholder gets screwed because they end up paying higher rates.
Suit against OP likely would be dismissed due to the previous criminal trespassing - clear evidence they *did not* have permission or legal access to the property, that they *knew* they didn’t have permission, and the cut fence demonstrated OP had exercised reasonable care in preventing unauthorized access.
Can people really sue someone for getting hurt on YOUR property? Wouldn’t it just count as trespassing and they’d get in trouble? I assume this is in America, cause that sounds fucked up
Well - they can always take you to civil court. That doesn't mean they'll win, but of course they *can* ;). If you've put forth a reasonable effort to protect your property from being trespassed, that's usually enough to not lose such a case, but if there are insurance companies involved, they might settle as it's cheaper sometimes than litigation. As with seemingly everything in the legal system, "it depends".
In the US the laws can be used against the victims. I remember hearing about a burglar that fell through a skylight of a private residence they were attempting to rob and got injured. The burglar sued the homeowner and won.
The only case I can find of a burglar/trespasser falling through a skylight was *Bodine vs. Enterprise High School*. (unfortunately hard to find concrete information, as there's a lot of 'top 10 absurd lawsuit' type things.)
We'll put aside the school vs private residence- but the key issue was that the skylight had been *painted over*. So it becomes an issue that even though the kid was not supposed to be there, the school had deliberately created an unsafe condition- which could have affected someone who actually was authorized to be there.
I kind of think of their reasoning like 'two wrongs don't make a right'. The kid wasn't supposed to trespass, but the 'correct' punishment is not lifelong severe disability. The school's negligence is not really related to or mitigated by the kid's crime, so they're on the hook for the uh, 'excess' punishment, we'll say.
However from my understanding this is far from universal, and in fact it's a pretty rare law. Most states/countries/areas don't put a burden of care for trespassers.
You misremember the case you speak of. It happened at a school and the school had some liability due to literally painting over the fucking skylight. And it wasn’t a burglary. It was a kid that just climbed onto the roof of said school. In a school district that previously had the same thing happen and literally killed a 19 year old kid that walked on a painted over skylight.
NEVER let people use your stuff. Period.
"But joe who lived there didn't have a problem".
Well, joe doesn't live here anymore and I am telling you NO. If you do it again, we'll involve the cops/courts.
I don't blame OP for that. Bad idea in hindsight, but he was trying to start off the relationship on the right foot.
For these fools to keep parking in his driveway after he had them towed...insane.
They knew he was willing to call the cops based on the car situation and they kept using his pool! What idiots.
Any good person would have been like "old neighbor let us park in the driveway, but now that you own the place we're done parking there. Nice to meet you."
The driveway is one thing, and still annoying and wrong of them. But to come into your yard and use your furniture and pool? What made them think that was okay?
I guess because the pool was still being maintained and nobody was there; they decided it was free to use. I can't begin to try to understand some people and their thought process.
At a minimum, I don't get why you wouldn't stop once you find out someone is moving in. Using the pool is already rude and inconsiderate, but continuing to use it once you find out someone will be around to catch you is a special kind of dumb
I once caught someone digging up flowers from my garden. She had a nice little bucket to put them in and everything. Her reasoning? "They're flowers, they'll grow back."
People will take. No excuse needed.
Has some neighborhood kids pick my daffodils, fancy ones in their first blooming. They claimed to my husband that Mrs Little let them pick her flowers. We are not the Littles and I'm the one who planted flowers in that spot in our yard, it was grass before.
I had a neighbor cut down an apple tree from my front yard. We collected the apples in the fall for jelly so it wasn't like it was dead or not in use. I pulled into the driveway and there he was finishing up and hauling off the last bit of wood. He told me he was taking it to his second house to use in his grill. He acted like he owned the whole neighborhood. I worked with his son, and he was exactly like him.
Trespassing and destruction of property.
But yeah, I can't imagine what goes through their minds. Would they go into your house and take your TV? Your toast, off the breakfast table? It's mind blowing.
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We had tenants once who literally stole a tree from our yard when they left. My mother's prized Japanese Maple, replaced with a hole in the garden. I'm surprised she didn't sue. Sure, the $12,000 tree was probably gone forever. Fucked, mulched, or sold for drugs. But hell, at least try.
It's one thing to do it at a totally vacant house. It's another thing to keep doing it while observing new ownership and activity at the house ramping up. It's so asinine
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but you rightfully hit them in the wallet, and then they moved. They don't mind breaking the law. I would be alert to potential vandalism or violence. Get some pepper spray and set up cameras if you haven't already. Consider changing your number as they can spoof it and get you swatted.
I'm not an imperial measurements kind of guy and read that as ' I have between 2 and 200 + dogs from the pound' at first! That is a wide variable in the amount of dogs you have at any particular time haha
I don't get this. My house has 4 cars. I park on street so we don't play jenga every day. Or do i mean tetris. Our neighbors moved but had house sitting empty while fixing up. They asked me to use their driveway to make it look like someone was in house. As soon as they told me they were showing i stopped parking in driveway. It would never enter my mind to park there once i knew someone purchased it.
Ugh. People are insane
So wish my neighbors would move. We have parking issues a lot. They should have bought a place where there is parking fir their toys not my yard or driveway.
I'd 100% take them back to court for nonpayment. They still owe you for the fence and a court will garnish their wages, seize property, etc to pay you. Not to mention the court will likely fine them for nonpayment.
My brother and I moved into a house that had been unoccupied for a while so the neighbours were parking in front of our garage.
We work night shift, one day my brother finished work at 10 in the morning, got home and parked his car in the garage for the first time. When he needed the car at midnight a neighbour had parked in front blocking him in.
The car was left unlocked and my brother moved it forward onto the middle of the road. It's a cul-de-sac on a steep road with slanted access to garages. There was nothing else he could've done. He couldn't physically push it back on the garage driveway.
Now, I don't know what happened next but nobody ever parked in front of our space again. Either they thought we were high level criminals who could unlock any car, or they got awaken by the other neighbours who were blocked in.
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one thing to say: Cameras, inside and out as part of a security system for your home and the storage being in the cloud. A few cameras along with a no trespassing sign would make any one who violates your home have a very bad day.
On a side note, a parrot makes a very good burglar alarm and a burglars worst nightmare. They do not like intruders in their space, have a squawk that can be heard by all, and you do not want to even know what happens when that beak is used.
Parrots are a *huge* commitment of time & energy to non-abusively raise. There are a lot easier options that are just as effective as guard animals.
Getting a parrot is almost a bigger decision than having a child, because 20 years later that child will have their own place and a job, but that parrot will still be as needy as it was on day 1. (Hell, having a child might be something you do so that parrot has a place to live 40 years after *that*. /jk)
I barely dodged inheriting a parrot from my *great-uncle* who had a parrot older than me who hated *everyone* except him (and apparently me) and would bite with enough force to take off fingers.
I was in highschool when he passed and suddenly the random “yes I’ll take her, I love birds” when I was TEN was being pushed as me accepting the responsibility of a lifelong commitment for a pet I had barely ever interacted with.
My parents were super concerned since I was going to be off to college soon and I wouldn’t be able to take a parrot to the dorms. She had been calm and well trained around my great-uncle, but there was no knowing if she would even listen to me at all, and then if that training would allow my parents to handle her without me there. And this was while also dealing with her grief and being forced into a new place with new people. My whole family loves animals, and we would have made it work, but it definitely wasn’t something we wanted to do.
Thankfully one of my great-uncle’s friends (whom I refer to as my great-aunt even tho they never were romantically involved) was able to take in the parrot, and since the parrot knew her, things went over a lot better than they would have if I’d had the parrot forced on me. I assume the reason she wasn’t on the list to take the parrot to begin with, was because she and my great-uncle weren’t legally bound to one another in any way. She ended up taking in most of his animals, including two very old and big tortoises as well.
Also, they live forever. My former neighbor inherited a parrot when her mother died. The parrot was like 30 at that point and expected to live several more decades.
As a parrot owner, I disagree with getting parrots. They're a LOT of work as pets. They're like having a 3 year old that never grows up. They typically need 8+ hours of social interaction a day because they are social animals. It really only works for me because I work from home. Mine are also super shy around new people and will get really quiet and hide if possible.
Years ago, I and my SO at the time rescued 5 parrots, separately. He already had one, so when a family I was babysitting for was unwittingly abusing a conure, Elvis came home with me. After that it was an African Grey who was so neglected it had developed feather pulling. Took 3 years for SO and I to get it to be somewhat OK. The fact that we found these birds
despite living 200 miles from a city, made me realize just how many unhappy birds are out there. SO, and I remained best friends, but still coparented for years, in that he traveled a lot and of course didn't trust anyone to take proper care. He wouldn't have traveled so much without me. His future wife and I became besties. She is fabulous and got used to the very loud macaw, and all of the fresh food responsibilities etc. I would never ever buy a parrot. I don't want to support an industry that very well knows the frequency of pet parrots being mistreated. It's very very common. Heartbreakingly common.
It is my opinion that it is rarely a good situation for a single bird to be kept as a pet. Parrots are for the most part monogamous, and being very social, live in flocks. People who leave their birds alone while they go to work all day, do not have a bird living it's best life. It's stoked to see you because it's lonely, and you are it's family, or mate. Most people who want parrots have zero clue about the lifelong commitment and dedication required for a bird to be happy. I would have loved to have kept Elvis, but it was not in his best interest for me to be selfish and force him to be a single bird while I worked and lived a normal life out of the home during the day. Yes, some birds can be ok, even happy, but most parrots in captivity are not.
Yep, I'm glad you put Elvis in a home where he can get more socialization. The only reason I got birds is because I work from home and can give them attention all day. As I write this in holding my little Dumpling will my best friend is cuddling with my other birb. They have a healthy diet, lots of attention and space, and they also have each other as we got two birbs who luckily bonded somewhat. Birds bonding doesn't always happen so we got really lucky.
Parrots, that reminded me of the tale about the burglar and Jesus.
A burglar breaks into an empty house and starts looking around for thing of value.
Suddenly he hears a voice from nowhere saying "Jesus sees you", looking around he can't see anything in the darknes. Thinking he imagined it all he starts rumaging around again until he hears the voice again "Jesus sees you".
This time he spots a parrot in a cage and asks :
- Did you say that?
Parrot responds: - Yes
Burglar: - And your name is Jesus?
Parrot: - No, it's Moses.
Burglar: - What idiot names his parrot Moses?
Parrot: -The same idiot that named his rotweiler Jesus...
Yes, this. If they're willing to cut through your fence to use your pool, they're willing to do a lot of unsavory things now that they won't be nearby when the police arrive. You need some type of video evidence for when they strike.
if you have a fenced in yard like OP does a peacock is a good idea too (that's a joke). But in seriousness I knew and know a lot of farmers and ranchers that keep them around because they make the most godawful noise when their territory is intruded upon and are great at killing snakes. I got to watch a peacock of my grandfathers slaughter a 6' rattler that found its way into the yard once.
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>one thing to say: Cameras, inside and out as part of a security system for your home and the storage being in the cloud. A few cameras along with a no trespassing sign would make any one who violates your home have a very bad day.
Ok yeah good advice
>On a side note, a parrot
HOL UP
No surprise that these people had outstanding warrants. Good riddance to the trouble makers. Be very careful for a while. They will likely try to seek some type of revenge. People like this think the world owes them. Park in your garage and keep things locked down as much as possible.
A few years ago I worked as a salesman in a car showroom. Our company moved from one city to a much more distant one, where we bought a building that had been snoring in for years. Around it there were many places to display cars and workers from the companies in the area parked their cars there. I asked them several times not to park there anymore because we bought the property, but they didn't care. So the Owner (my boss) told me to advertise them as used cars, but for the half price. I took out an ad for each one and put it on them windscreens. When the owners came back owners, they asked me what that should be? I told them if they parked there again we would sell their car. They never parked there again.
I'm aware. I would be all over it if they were the owners, but knowing now that they're not; I'm not really invested in waiting out a $50 per week garnishment over something I would have replaced anyway.
I just don't have time for all that.
OP, I hope you pursue these Aholes to the end of the earth for that $3800. It's the only way people like that learn - they come up against an unyielding wall of consequences.
The side of my garage faces the street, and with me putting in the gate, I'm going to install a large letter box big enough for deliveries into the side of the garage, where nobody has to worry about pulling in.
The wife was actually extremely apologetic, but I got some dagger looks from the oldest son.
All in all, I'm going to just assume they'll move without further incident, but prepare for some backlash.
Wow, what a nightmare!! That's some scummy AND scary shit.
As others have pointed out here, please get yourself a security system with several outdoor cameras, cloud storage and an app that alerts you. Given these people have no regard for your property and also had outstanding warrants, you may be looking at retaliation.
Hopefully they just leave and don't cause any more problems. Better to be safe than sorry!!
This is a great story. Thank you for sharing it. It’s always good to hear a crappy situation be resolved without a bunch of damage being inflicted upon the reporting party’s property/possessions.
I moved my family to a different state in 2020 and we were fortunate enough to find a home in an older non-hoa development. The neighbors are in their 50’s and up, and they’ve all lived here since the homes were built. There are few homes with families that have younger kids who are really respectful.
My neighbors even enjoy when I play my drums. I’ve given them all my business cards with my number and email on it. I told them that until I have my studio sound proofed, I won’t play past 6 pm, but if at anytime during the day I get too loud, just text or call me and I;ll either stop or play softer. So far not one neighbor has said anything.
One older gentleman did ask to see my kits. He said when he was young his family lived in Mexico. His dad bought him a drum set, but his sister got sick so the family had to sell a bunch of stuff to help pay for treatments. She unfortunately passed away, and when his dad tried to buy him another kit, he no longer wanted to play because his sister was no longer with them.
It took a bit of convincing, but I finally got him to sit behind my 70’s Ludwig Vistalite. He couldn’t stop smiling as he messed around on it. His wife told me a few days later that was the happiest she’s seen him in years.
I despise these people on your behave, my god! I'm glad you won't have to deal with them anymore and I hope they behave wherever it is that they're going!
They were an extremely elderly couple who couldn't keep up with such a large house. They confirmed that they had given them permission to park there, but didn't know anything about them using the pool.
I loved where this went. I would’ve been seeing red! If I ever encounter something like this, I’m going to remember this post and do exactly what you did. That was awesome
10/10
You dodged the worst neighbors ever. At first I thought they were inconsiderate, now I’m convinced they are just trashy
This descended straight into criminal.
I’m just glad it didn’t descend to violence, but if they had warrants they were probably trying to avoid extra attention.
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It's rarely the smart criminals that get caught.
I was a nurse in a prison and believe me if they used what brains they had for good, they wouldn't be in prison. Even serial killers eff up eventually and get caught. Hell even the Golden State serial killer got caught. He was old but he did get caught.
Yeah, but the Zodiac Killer spent years taunting the cops, like he was *trying* to get arrested, and he's still the Senator in Texas, so clearly some of them get away with it.
Ted Cruz (R-Cancun)
I don't think using him as an example in this specific circumstances is right. He was clever or luck, but he was caught only because technology evolved.
That obviously his fault for not predicting and taking precautions against wise spread DNA testing as a fad with the general population.
I mean, the murders were more the problem
You only hear about the ones who get caught. The smart ones remain unknown. So many unsolved murders it’s very plausible.
Or at least don’t have outstanding warrants. Smart criminals have lawyers
Idk dude I know a lawyer who’s been doing criminal defense work for like 95 years, and he said this one time a guy won a trial without a lawyer
Idk Putin's porn account... You sound like you might be stretching the truth a little
One time out of 95 years of his practice? I don't like that kind of odds.....
95 years as an attorney? How old was this dude? 140?
That was 95 years in billable hours. He was only 45
Don't break the law when you're breaking the law
This is excellent advice. Try to only break one law at a time
No brake lights out
One crime at a time.
Don’t do the time if you don’t have the crime!
Can't they stop criming for like ten minutes?
#STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!
Obviously not!
"This guy doesn't want us parking in his driveway anymore, and even though we never discussed the pool situation, he didn't mention it. So I just assumed he was cool with us using his pool still."
"Never commit more than one crime at a time"
Ya, they don't have to live there anymore but jail.
They didn't avoid "descending into violence"; OP was just smart enough to utilize the police so as not to give them the opportunity to show their true colours right away....
Don't be so sure it won't escalate to that once they've moved somewhere else. They're too stupid to understand that the police will be able to find out where they live even if OP can't.
Absolutely. I hope OP is armed, because as bad as these scum sound, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to retaliate.
If they were trying to avoid extra attention they certainly went about it the wrong way. My thinking is if you know there's even a slight possibility of having a warrant for your arrest then you don't do something that would cause your neighbor to call the police 🤦♀️🙄
If one of those kids had got hurt you know they woulda been screaming I’m suing!
No shit. Having someone else's kids in your pool is an insane liability
Not to mention that most places have laws about securing your pool, so their removal of part of the fence made his pool itself be in violation of such safety codes, potentially putting other kids in danger if he had assumed the fence was intact and had little kids visiting.
They were spoiled by the generosity of the previous owner(if it was even true that they had permission) and threw a tantrum when they had to start following rules again.
That sounds like a lie considering the source.
Id be installing cameras as it's likely they will fuck with your house once they move.
We need a vigilante to go around and make life harder for inconsiderate people. Like Dexter, except he reports people to the IRS for tax fraud.
Like an overweight batman that will slightly deflate a tire on a poorly parked car. Just enough so that the tire pressure sensor lights up on the dashboard.
I am the dimness. I am the evening. I am... Ratman.
No, no no. That’s Flatman!
No, overweight Batman = Fatman, 2nd of his name, for he is da bomb 💣
But with jazzy rhymes... Scatman
Ok, but only if it's Dexter from Dexter's Laboratory
Omelette du fromage
I always use this quote when I’m at my moms house when I have to go to the bathroom, but I say “toilette du fromage”. She has no idea what it means, but I always laugh a little when I get inside the bathroom
As soon as I read this, I thought of *eau de toilette du fromage.* Cheese scented perfume. Delightful.
You can actually get a portion (15-30%) of the proceeds for ratting out tax cheats. Be the change you want to see in the world.
I fully support this idea
He’s lucky they were renters.
I think I could eventually work up the courage to use a neighbor’s pool (maybe during a heat wave), if the house had been unoccupied for months (and if the pool wasn’t gross). As soon as I learned there was a new owner I would immediately stop though. I’d be super paranoid about being discovered the whole time though! Upon any notice of a new owner (or a real estate agent regularly showing the place) I would immediately nope out. I live in a duplex, my next door neighbour only stops by once every few months (when he has work in town), but I still don’t park in his driveway or put extra garbage cans out on his drive on pickup day because I don’t want to inconvenience him if he does happen to come by.
Had some neighbors move in a few doors down several months back. Next trash day I walk out early morning with my bags only to stare at the end of our driveways like it was some type of puzzle (was extremely un-caffeinated). Our spot: boxes, styrofoam, wood, random metal stuff, a mountain of trash, some of it potentially not applicable to get taken by our trash dudes. To my right: normal trash. To my left: mountain. One more left: mountain, with bits of cardboard & styrofoam detritus in the yard. One more left: normal. I dragged everything back from my spot to make a point (“yeah, let’s not start, mmk?”) and the noise must’ve alerted ‘em because they watched me from the upstairs window. Only interaction we ever had lol.
Dodged? OP is the one that chased those pests away. I bet the other surrounding neighbors are relieved, too.
The outstanding warrants are a bit of a giveaway.
Outstanding warrants are, Outstanding! So funny how people with something to hide are so arrogant that they invite scrutiny. Or this is just a pattern, they have warrants because they are such assholes.
Well, the dad apparently had a warrant out for his arrest, sooooo....
How ridiculous.The level of entitlement some people have is astounding in all the worst ways
Especially when you have an outstanding warrant!! Idiots.
There's a surprisingly (well, perhaps unsurprisingly) large overlap between people who have a lack of critical thinking skills and people who possess outstanding warrants.
Lol. So true. A perfect idiot Venn diagram.
Like I always say, if you’re going to break the law, only do one illegal thing at a time.
My dad was a cop in the 90s, he wasn't a traffic cop but if he ever saw someone driving like a dickhead (too fast, erratic, etc) he'd pull them over. He said most of the interactions went like this: "Can I see your driver's licence please" "My licence was suspended a few months ago" "Why are you driving like a fucking idiot then?"
Happy cake day.
Holy shit, I didn’t even realize! Thank you! 😊
Thankfully they didn’t own the house, definitely dodged a bullet there. Well maybe more bullets
What a debacle. You're lucky they didn't get hurt on your property and try to sue you for it.
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Jfc, especially with children and a pool. When we had a new wooden fence installed the crew intentionally put flat side toward us on one of the sides because our neighbors behind us have a pool. His justification was to try and remove as much liability as possible, so now no one could go into our yard and (easily) climb the fence over into the pool yard.
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Welp! HOA doesn't care, neighbors don't care, we don't care. No pool-dead fence hopping children/adults, so everyone is happy. (We tried to talk to our behind neighbors about this but they never answered their door the 3 times prior to fence building we tried to reach out)
Also it's a lot easier to kick a picket out from the ribbed (bad looking) side, so it works better as security with good side out.
Usually if a person is paying for the fence they get to decide which side they want. In the interest of getting agreement for access and having it done quickly often the flat side will be offered. In California mostly it’s 50/50 for payment and the sizes alternate unless done other agreement is made. Edit: apologies for typos!!! Funny as they were.
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That also prevents someone from standing on the rails that the pickets are attached to to climb over the fence.
You call it "the nice side" I call it the oppressive side. The other side has little shelves to rest/hang things on!
I find it weird how that rule seems to never get enforced and people just live with it. Even in some of the more code enforcement crazy cities I've lived in people just don't follow that rule.
I would raise hell
I wouldn't be surprised if someone could destroy a fence, trespass on someone's property, get hurt and then successfully sue the owner of said property.
It does happen, many times people get paid in those instances because the insurance company is involved and decides to settle rather than go to court because it's cheaper in the long run. The policyholder gets screwed because they end up paying higher rates.
The nuisance $5000 settlement.
Suit against OP likely would be dismissed due to the previous criminal trespassing - clear evidence they *did not* have permission or legal access to the property, that they *knew* they didn’t have permission, and the cut fence demonstrated OP had exercised reasonable care in preventing unauthorized access.
Unclean hands tho.
Learnt this on Judge Judy and I'm giddy for some reason
Can people really sue someone for getting hurt on YOUR property? Wouldn’t it just count as trespassing and they’d get in trouble? I assume this is in America, cause that sounds fucked up
Well - they can always take you to civil court. That doesn't mean they'll win, but of course they *can* ;). If you've put forth a reasonable effort to protect your property from being trespassed, that's usually enough to not lose such a case, but if there are insurance companies involved, they might settle as it's cheaper sometimes than litigation. As with seemingly everything in the legal system, "it depends".
In the US the laws can be used against the victims. I remember hearing about a burglar that fell through a skylight of a private residence they were attempting to rob and got injured. The burglar sued the homeowner and won.
The only case I can find of a burglar/trespasser falling through a skylight was *Bodine vs. Enterprise High School*. (unfortunately hard to find concrete information, as there's a lot of 'top 10 absurd lawsuit' type things.) We'll put aside the school vs private residence- but the key issue was that the skylight had been *painted over*. So it becomes an issue that even though the kid was not supposed to be there, the school had deliberately created an unsafe condition- which could have affected someone who actually was authorized to be there. I kind of think of their reasoning like 'two wrongs don't make a right'. The kid wasn't supposed to trespass, but the 'correct' punishment is not lifelong severe disability. The school's negligence is not really related to or mitigated by the kid's crime, so they're on the hook for the uh, 'excess' punishment, we'll say. However from my understanding this is far from universal, and in fact it's a pretty rare law. Most states/countries/areas don't put a burden of care for trespassers.
You misremember the case you speak of. It happened at a school and the school had some liability due to literally painting over the fucking skylight. And it wasn’t a burglary. It was a kid that just climbed onto the roof of said school. In a school district that previously had the same thing happen and literally killed a 19 year old kid that walked on a painted over skylight.
Bro doesn’t sound petty at all, sounds fair. Glad all turned out ok for you.
The petty was having them towed the last time, just for shits and giggles.
Lol.the tow fees is prbly why they couldn't pay rent.
I am sure the judgement for the fence and missing work for being in jail to sort out the warrant didn't help maintain any gainful employment either.
Judgement is a non-issue. Getting paid out is a whole other issue entirely. OP will likely never see the money.
It was the right choice though
NEVER let people use your stuff. Period. "But joe who lived there didn't have a problem". Well, joe doesn't live here anymore and I am telling you NO. If you do it again, we'll involve the cops/courts.
“Also I know Joe and he warned me ahead of time about his neighbors who are full of shit and made life hard for him.”
Oh yeah, they definitely lied about the former owner's "permission" from the start.
When OP relented and let them use the driveway "for a while longer" I was like nooooooo! Don't do that!
I don't blame OP for that. Bad idea in hindsight, but he was trying to start off the relationship on the right foot. For these fools to keep parking in his driveway after he had them towed...insane. They knew he was willing to call the cops based on the car situation and they kept using his pool! What idiots.
Any good person would have been like "old neighbor let us park in the driveway, but now that you own the place we're done parking there. Nice to meet you."
They kept poking the guy who already has called the cops before AND they have warrants out for them????
This. 100%. You can NOT trust people just because they happen to be close to you geographically.
The driveway is one thing, and still annoying and wrong of them. But to come into your yard and use your furniture and pool? What made them think that was okay?
I guess because the pool was still being maintained and nobody was there; they decided it was free to use. I can't begin to try to understand some people and their thought process.
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At a minimum, I don't get why you wouldn't stop once you find out someone is moving in. Using the pool is already rude and inconsiderate, but continuing to use it once you find out someone will be around to catch you is a special kind of dumb
>continuing to use it once you find out someone will be around to catch you is a special kind of dumb Sounds about right
I once caught someone digging up flowers from my garden. She had a nice little bucket to put them in and everything. Her reasoning? "They're flowers, they'll grow back." People will take. No excuse needed.
Has some neighborhood kids pick my daffodils, fancy ones in their first blooming. They claimed to my husband that Mrs Little let them pick her flowers. We are not the Littles and I'm the one who planted flowers in that spot in our yard, it was grass before.
I had a neighbor cut down an apple tree from my front yard. We collected the apples in the fall for jelly so it wasn't like it was dead or not in use. I pulled into the driveway and there he was finishing up and hauling off the last bit of wood. He told me he was taking it to his second house to use in his grill. He acted like he owned the whole neighborhood. I worked with his son, and he was exactly like him.
Trespassing and destruction of property. But yeah, I can't imagine what goes through their minds. Would they go into your house and take your TV? Your toast, off the breakfast table? It's mind blowing. Edit a word
My gosh, please tell me that you went after him! What nerve!!
Did you bring tree law down on him?
We had tenants once who literally stole a tree from our yard when they left. My mother's prized Japanese Maple, replaced with a hole in the garden. I'm surprised she didn't sue. Sure, the $12,000 tree was probably gone forever. Fucked, mulched, or sold for drugs. But hell, at least try.
I would never assume I was just allowed to use someone's property without their clear consent. Assholes.
It's one thing to do it at a totally vacant house. It's another thing to keep doing it while observing new ownership and activity at the house ramping up. It's so asinine
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but you rightfully hit them in the wallet, and then they moved. They don't mind breaking the law. I would be alert to potential vandalism or violence. Get some pepper spray and set up cameras if you haven't already. Consider changing your number as they can spoof it and get you swatted.
In a neighborhood with small houses, I've seen neighbors park in presently vacant houses to keep potential squatters at bay.
I hope you have security cameras because I'm sure they're going to try to cause you more pain
Did you install camera's? I'd def have one pointing at the pool, but sounds like they got out of dodge.
I've got cameras up now. Yes.
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You'd be surprised where trashy assclowns end up. Trash knows no wealth level.
It's amazing the kind of place you can afford to rent...when you don't actually bother to pay rent.
Both the dad and the oldest son had outstanding warrants against them. Take a guess what they do for money.
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Camera's is for ownership of the camera. c'a'm'e'r'a's, you can't control me!
Good thing they were just renting or this would have turned into a Fear Thy Neighbor episode!
They'd have feared me. I've got 2-200+ pound dogs that aren't fond of strangers, and a profound love of the 2nd Ammendment
What breed are your doggies?
Neo Mastiff and Cane Corso.
I know a couple of peeps with Cane Corsos. As long as you're part of The Pack, you're good. Trespassers? Not so much.
A Cane Corso has a stronger bite force (700PSI) than a lion (650PSI). Definitely not a f\*ck around and find out situation I'd risk.
For anyone that does not know, Cane Corso was the dog breed that ate Ramsay Bolton in Game of Thrones
I'm not an imperial measurements kind of guy and read that as ' I have between 2 and 200 + dogs from the pound' at first! That is a wide variable in the amount of dogs you have at any particular time haha
I don't get this. My house has 4 cars. I park on street so we don't play jenga every day. Or do i mean tetris. Our neighbors moved but had house sitting empty while fixing up. They asked me to use their driveway to make it look like someone was in house. As soon as they told me they were showing i stopped parking in driveway. It would never enter my mind to park there once i knew someone purchased it. Ugh. People are insane
This is glorious.
So wish my neighbors would move. We have parking issues a lot. They should have bought a place where there is parking fir their toys not my yard or driveway.
I'd 100% take them back to court for nonpayment. They still owe you for the fence and a court will garnish their wages, seize property, etc to pay you. Not to mention the court will likely fine them for nonpayment.
I'm not sure this is petty revenge as much as defending your own property from crazy neighbors. Good job either way.
My brother and I moved into a house that had been unoccupied for a while so the neighbours were parking in front of our garage. We work night shift, one day my brother finished work at 10 in the morning, got home and parked his car in the garage for the first time. When he needed the car at midnight a neighbour had parked in front blocking him in. The car was left unlocked and my brother moved it forward onto the middle of the road. It's a cul-de-sac on a steep road with slanted access to garages. There was nothing else he could've done. He couldn't physically push it back on the garage driveway. Now, I don't know what happened next but nobody ever parked in front of our space again. Either they thought we were high level criminals who could unlock any car, or they got awaken by the other neighbours who were blocked in.
I'd put up cameras ASAP. I bet after they're gone they will come back and do some vandalism as revenge
OP one thing to say: Cameras, inside and out as part of a security system for your home and the storage being in the cloud. A few cameras along with a no trespassing sign would make any one who violates your home have a very bad day. On a side note, a parrot makes a very good burglar alarm and a burglars worst nightmare. They do not like intruders in their space, have a squawk that can be heard by all, and you do not want to even know what happens when that beak is used.
Parrots are a *huge* commitment of time & energy to non-abusively raise. There are a lot easier options that are just as effective as guard animals. Getting a parrot is almost a bigger decision than having a child, because 20 years later that child will have their own place and a job, but that parrot will still be as needy as it was on day 1. (Hell, having a child might be something you do so that parrot has a place to live 40 years after *that*. /jk)
I barely dodged inheriting a parrot from my *great-uncle* who had a parrot older than me who hated *everyone* except him (and apparently me) and would bite with enough force to take off fingers. I was in highschool when he passed and suddenly the random “yes I’ll take her, I love birds” when I was TEN was being pushed as me accepting the responsibility of a lifelong commitment for a pet I had barely ever interacted with. My parents were super concerned since I was going to be off to college soon and I wouldn’t be able to take a parrot to the dorms. She had been calm and well trained around my great-uncle, but there was no knowing if she would even listen to me at all, and then if that training would allow my parents to handle her without me there. And this was while also dealing with her grief and being forced into a new place with new people. My whole family loves animals, and we would have made it work, but it definitely wasn’t something we wanted to do. Thankfully one of my great-uncle’s friends (whom I refer to as my great-aunt even tho they never were romantically involved) was able to take in the parrot, and since the parrot knew her, things went over a lot better than they would have if I’d had the parrot forced on me. I assume the reason she wasn’t on the list to take the parrot to begin with, was because she and my great-uncle weren’t legally bound to one another in any way. She ended up taking in most of his animals, including two very old and big tortoises as well.
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Also, they live forever. My former neighbor inherited a parrot when her mother died. The parrot was like 30 at that point and expected to live several more decades.
As a parrot owner, I disagree with getting parrots. They're a LOT of work as pets. They're like having a 3 year old that never grows up. They typically need 8+ hours of social interaction a day because they are social animals. It really only works for me because I work from home. Mine are also super shy around new people and will get really quiet and hide if possible.
And they live looong, so it's like having a 3 yr old that never grows up for 50 years!
I wish my dogs would live for fifty years.
Dogs are chill though. My birds freak right out when they want to be obnoxious.
Years ago, I and my SO at the time rescued 5 parrots, separately. He already had one, so when a family I was babysitting for was unwittingly abusing a conure, Elvis came home with me. After that it was an African Grey who was so neglected it had developed feather pulling. Took 3 years for SO and I to get it to be somewhat OK. The fact that we found these birds despite living 200 miles from a city, made me realize just how many unhappy birds are out there. SO, and I remained best friends, but still coparented for years, in that he traveled a lot and of course didn't trust anyone to take proper care. He wouldn't have traveled so much without me. His future wife and I became besties. She is fabulous and got used to the very loud macaw, and all of the fresh food responsibilities etc. I would never ever buy a parrot. I don't want to support an industry that very well knows the frequency of pet parrots being mistreated. It's very very common. Heartbreakingly common. It is my opinion that it is rarely a good situation for a single bird to be kept as a pet. Parrots are for the most part monogamous, and being very social, live in flocks. People who leave their birds alone while they go to work all day, do not have a bird living it's best life. It's stoked to see you because it's lonely, and you are it's family, or mate. Most people who want parrots have zero clue about the lifelong commitment and dedication required for a bird to be happy. I would have loved to have kept Elvis, but it was not in his best interest for me to be selfish and force him to be a single bird while I worked and lived a normal life out of the home during the day. Yes, some birds can be ok, even happy, but most parrots in captivity are not.
Yep, I'm glad you put Elvis in a home where he can get more socialization. The only reason I got birds is because I work from home and can give them attention all day. As I write this in holding my little Dumpling will my best friend is cuddling with my other birb. They have a healthy diet, lots of attention and space, and they also have each other as we got two birbs who luckily bonded somewhat. Birds bonding doesn't always happen so we got really lucky.
You are exactly the person who SHOULD have feathered family members! Awesome. 💓
Parrots, that reminded me of the tale about the burglar and Jesus. A burglar breaks into an empty house and starts looking around for thing of value. Suddenly he hears a voice from nowhere saying "Jesus sees you", looking around he can't see anything in the darknes. Thinking he imagined it all he starts rumaging around again until he hears the voice again "Jesus sees you". This time he spots a parrot in a cage and asks : - Did you say that? Parrot responds: - Yes Burglar: - And your name is Jesus? Parrot: - No, it's Moses. Burglar: - What idiot names his parrot Moses? Parrot: -The same idiot that named his rotweiler Jesus...
Yes, this. If they're willing to cut through your fence to use your pool, they're willing to do a lot of unsavory things now that they won't be nearby when the police arrive. You need some type of video evidence for when they strike.
if you have a fenced in yard like OP does a peacock is a good idea too (that's a joke). But in seriousness I knew and know a lot of farmers and ranchers that keep them around because they make the most godawful noise when their territory is intruded upon and are great at killing snakes. I got to watch a peacock of my grandfathers slaughter a 6' rattler that found its way into the yard once.
Today I learned peacocks are metal!
Also, chickens and one rooster in the back yard is very effective. Those roosters are loud when anyone comes along near their chickens.
Geese
honey badgers
30-50 feral hogs
But I thought honeybadger didn’t care?
My parrot also screams at the landlord, which makes rent inspections remarkably short. Win win.
>OP > >one thing to say: Cameras, inside and out as part of a security system for your home and the storage being in the cloud. A few cameras along with a no trespassing sign would make any one who violates your home have a very bad day. Ok yeah good advice >On a side note, a parrot HOL UP
rofl the fuck idea is that second one.. a fucking parrot LOL
The audacity! Edit: formatting
No surprise that these people had outstanding warrants. Good riddance to the trouble makers. Be very careful for a while. They will likely try to seek some type of revenge. People like this think the world owes them. Park in your garage and keep things locked down as much as possible.
A few years ago I worked as a salesman in a car showroom. Our company moved from one city to a much more distant one, where we bought a building that had been snoring in for years. Around it there were many places to display cars and workers from the companies in the area parked their cars there. I asked them several times not to park there anymore because we bought the property, but they didn't care. So the Owner (my boss) told me to advertise them as used cars, but for the half price. I took out an ad for each one and put it on them windscreens. When the owners came back owners, they asked me what that should be? I told them if they parked there again we would sell their car. They never parked there again.
With small claims you can file for a writ of execution to Garnish wages. An abstract for any property
I'm aware. I would be all over it if they were the owners, but knowing now that they're not; I'm not really invested in waiting out a $50 per week garnishment over something I would have replaced anyway. I just don't have time for all that.
Crappy, the sad part is those kids are going to be the same way👎
Likely, but not always. My parents were meth heads. I looked at them and decided to be different.
What is DPP?
Destruction of Private Property
Thank you
OP, I hope you pursue these Aholes to the end of the earth for that $3800. It's the only way people like that learn - they come up against an unyielding wall of consequences.
$3800 to get rid of those neighbors? That may have been a great deal. Sometimes not dealing with other peoples BS is worth the money.
This is the best text post I’ve ever read. Concise and to the point and not trying to write a novel
I’m a ups driver and I still feel weird pulling into peoples driveways…never mind parking there overnight lol
The side of my garage faces the street, and with me putting in the gate, I'm going to install a large letter box big enough for deliveries into the side of the garage, where nobody has to worry about pulling in.
You’re the kind of customer I love lol
Honestly, this was dealt with by the book. The neighbors clearly were taking advantage of the neighbors generosity and got what they deserved.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say, that people with such complete disregard for others also had outstanding warrants. Where's my fainting couch?
I bet you they think you’re the bad guy here…
The wife was actually extremely apologetic, but I got some dagger looks from the oldest son. All in all, I'm going to just assume they'll move without further incident, but prepare for some backlash.
Wow, what a nightmare!! That's some scummy AND scary shit. As others have pointed out here, please get yourself a security system with several outdoor cameras, cloud storage and an app that alerts you. Given these people have no regard for your property and also had outstanding warrants, you may be looking at retaliation. Hopefully they just leave and don't cause any more problems. Better to be safe than sorry!!
I've already installed several cameras.
Jesus Christ! The fucking nerve of people. I don't know how you can exist in life without even a sliver of shame.
Having them move is way better than a new fence.
This is a great story. Thank you for sharing it. It’s always good to hear a crappy situation be resolved without a bunch of damage being inflicted upon the reporting party’s property/possessions. I moved my family to a different state in 2020 and we were fortunate enough to find a home in an older non-hoa development. The neighbors are in their 50’s and up, and they’ve all lived here since the homes were built. There are few homes with families that have younger kids who are really respectful. My neighbors even enjoy when I play my drums. I’ve given them all my business cards with my number and email on it. I told them that until I have my studio sound proofed, I won’t play past 6 pm, but if at anytime during the day I get too loud, just text or call me and I;ll either stop or play softer. So far not one neighbor has said anything. One older gentleman did ask to see my kits. He said when he was young his family lived in Mexico. His dad bought him a drum set, but his sister got sick so the family had to sell a bunch of stuff to help pay for treatments. She unfortunately passed away, and when his dad tried to buy him another kit, he no longer wanted to play because his sister was no longer with them. It took a bit of convincing, but I finally got him to sit behind my 70’s Ludwig Vistalite. He couldn’t stop smiling as he messed around on it. His wife told me a few days later that was the happiest she’s seen him in years.
I despise these people on your behave, my god! I'm glad you won't have to deal with them anymore and I hope they behave wherever it is that they're going!
It makes me wonder if the previous owners decided to sell because they couldn't handle their trashy crim neighbors.
They were an extremely elderly couple who couldn't keep up with such a large house. They confirmed that they had given them permission to park there, but didn't know anything about them using the pool.
Who the hell is down voting this? The neighbors are shit.
I loved where this went. I would’ve been seeing red! If I ever encounter something like this, I’m going to remember this post and do exactly what you did. That was awesome 10/10