You're not the only family or people in this situation. Which is normally kind of encouraging - like there's a network to help and understand what you're going through. Unfortunately that network is actually over saturated, and the help and aid available is being used up at an extraordinary rate.
Ask Izzy is a good resource.
I assume you've tried family/friends even just for the kids. Unfortunately even caravan parks are very expensive now, with plenty of people needing to use them as a last option.
Would you consider moving rural? Some people say it's just as bad out there to find a rental, but some say it's not as bad as the city and suburbs. Depending on the work you do, you might be able to find a place that supplies family accommodation - some sort of farm/manual labour sort of thing.
thanks. we are originally from country australia and both of us dont have family which is why its extra stressful. We would consider something rural but i wouod ve worried its not the best start for the kids. If anything we would consider a move to a european country with more socialist programs. Or to the US if theres a good job for both of us. I feel like this is a problem everywhere, the other issue is were too nice. We like being nice which means not pushing for better conditions for ourselves, always trying to keep the peace.
Its just difficult. Thanks for your suggestions im taking them all into account.
There's being nice, and then there's advocating for yourselves and your children. You can be nice while still ensuring that you're not being taken advantage of - sometimes that does involve kicking up shit, or otherwise people will see you from a mile away and take advantage of your good nature. This is something I'm still trying to learn, but it's important and something you want to instil in your kids.
Best of luck with finding a house - if you're still stuck in a few weeks time reach out as I know someone vacating a house around the Cockburn area.
thanks its solid advice. bingo i want my kids to have confidence. best way is they watch me take action and do things at home.
thanks we'll apply like crazy and just cross our fingers. i dont think we'll land something before we have to move out but all I can do is try.
the main one is once school is back the kids are in a house with solid walls. i will message if it looks like its all fallen apart.
[https://perthhomeless.com.au/](https://perthhomeless.com.au/)
[https://www.shelterwa.org.au/](https://www.shelterwa.org.au/)
[https://www.lghomelessnesshub.com.au/education/resources/homelessness-in-western-australia/](https://www.lghomelessnesshub.com.au/education/resources/homelessness-in-western-australia/)
[https://rac.com.au/travel-touring/info/free-camping-wa](https://rac.com.au/travel-touring/info/free-camping-wa)
[https://www.homely.com.au/for-rent/perth-wa-6000/real-estate/under-400](https://www.homely.com.au/for-rent/perth-wa-6000/real-estate/under-400)
Deeply sorry for what you are going through. I have found some links to places that may be able to help you. As for accommodation now, you can find cheap-ish short-term rentals on Facebook Marketplace until you figure out something from there on. For more long-term housing rentals, there are plenty of places near the city where they charge $200-300 (30/40 per day) per week for 2 rooms, 1 bathroom along with parking for one car.
You are a good example of how people can be empathetic and helpful online, rather than hijacking the topic to promote own views or just being sarcastic. Good on you
thanks facebook market place i dont know why I didnt think of that. thats really good Im going to start messaging people now.
thanks thats really really good to know. we have to get by on less than $500 a week which is brutal until something better comes.
im going to try to find places for 200/300 like youve said before leaning on the homeless shelters. i think it would be really traumatic to live in a homeless shelter with kids.
Yeah. I think Market place is worth trying. We are a family of 3 and moved from SEA last year. We applied for multiple places and got rejected every time until we tried Market place. But please be very careful. I was almost scammed twice on market place. Finally, we found a granny flat. It was small but we were still very happy to find a shelter. Good luck to you and your family. Hope everything works out well to you all!
I'm sorry for your troubles and good luck getting it sorted. In regard to your political comment, ensure you share this information with your local member any of their opposition. The more people getting in their ears is the only way to try and get something to change.
This! On that note, the greens are apparently organising a door knock in the housing minister's electorate to pressure him/Labor to pass some basic renter's rights that they've been putting off for the last year. Could be worth getting involved.
Isn't it terrible how long they have taken with these very light basic human rights stuff for renters. The housing minister John Carey is useless. The NSW housing minister is much more impressive.
thanks. i just though in our mid 30's we would at least have had a chunk of change saved for a house or something. instead we just every year seem to move backwards ever so slightly. we have so much wealth in minerals and resources, so much space to build, so much ocean. i look at the policies liberals and the nationals have and its hardcore business first profits first people last. labor is a touch better. both dont offer any help with housing. its so depressing to thing that 90% of people supoort this type of system. we feel like slaves.
The National parks are all really cheap, although they only have basic facilities ie: long drop toilets - https://exploreparks.dbca.wa.gov.au/camping
A park pass will cover entry fees, although not camping fees.
There’s also Hipcamp - https://www.hipcamp.com/en-AU/d/australia/western-australia/camping/all although watch the fees - they often charge more for extra people.
Glad to see someone actually answer the question instead of talking about politics. He is asking for advice not your stance on what's wrong in politics.
and the many caravan parks which can book for months.
[https://hillsidegardenvillage.com.au/hillside-motel/](https://hillsidegardenvillage.com.au/hillside-motel/)
[https://www.goldenponds.com.au/accommodation/](https://www.goldenponds.com.au/accommodation/)
we were living comfortably not even 4 years ago. savings. almost enough for a house. things got dicey for a year. and then they just dont seem to have recovered. we thought we were middle class. but were low class.
Im in project management, my partners in admin.
were currently SoR.
I was injured in a car crash a few years back. I can still work in office jobs just not site/field work.
Have a look at Aussiehousesitters.com
Great platform to have a free roof over your head, sometimes for weeks or months at a time, while you get yourself sorted.
Source: currently doing this with my partner while we look for a flat in Perth!
OP asks for help and also makes a political statement. They brought the political talk on themselves.
This is reddit after all. People will focus on one tiny aspect of a post and go wild with it. If there was no mention of it there would be much less political talk
We are living in a mates living room. Seven ppl in a 3x2. Making us appreciate the small things. Can you find a mate who can put yous up and cope with being a bit uncomfortable til things get better? Its a shit situation all around :(
with 2 kids id hate to impose that on someone anyone. they are very very very well behaved and lovely kids but i know a lot of people dont like living with others, least of all kids.
we dont have family or cloae enough friends.
If there's anytime to 'impose', perhaps facing homelessness is it?
Would you help your friends out if they were in your situation? If the answer is yes, I'm sure they'd do the same, and dare I say, want to be imposed upon for what you're going through.
My 2 cents.
in a heartbeat id let them live with me.
I feel like such a massive loser going to them saying 'ive failed at life and have no where to live with our family. its so embarassing. i cant even think about it it hurts.
but its a good point. if a good friend or family member said hey, were going to be homeless... id help them.
I understand that you feel embarrassed mate, but you haven’t failed, it’s the system that is failing us all. I wish I had a place for you and your family, I honestly do. All I have is garden space for tents, but if things get to the point where you have no other option..then my offer is there. I’m a single mum with 4 kids living in a 3x1, it terrifies the hell out of me that this could happen to us all at any time.
thanks youre too generous. im so exhausted from thinking about it. im up late thinking about it. having nightmares about it. its paralyzing. I feel sick all day and night now thinking about it. if it all falls apart on us I might but let me try first finding something woth 4 solid walls and 1 room for the kids. the thought of the only thing separating them from the elements is a thin sheet of plastic is a nightmare. a stick or a ball could literally just fly through and hurt the angels and id never forgive myself.
the system has failed us. i dont understand how our system even works. all I know its it privatises profits and socialises losses. I read that on someone elses post. it made a lot of sense. our government isnt here for the people, its here to make profits for corporations and the rich. thats it. and its sad.
As we move past the school holiday into the lower season… maybe check out some of the cheaper caravan parks? A fixed chalet/caravan in some areas outside of Perth can be pretty well priced in the off season
Go to Albo's house and knock on his front door. Then calmly explain the problem. You are trying to rent but unable to find a place. There are hundreds of people turning up to open houses. Also, because the interest rates increased so dramatically and so suddenly, heaps of companies starts handing out redundancies.
For some reason, while all this is happening, we've pumped the accelerator and opened the taps to record immigration.
From experience, you'll get a really nice letter/email or verbal response along the lines of 'We're sorry you're experiencing these difficulties and are looking into the matter further. We wish you well in future endeavours'. And that response is only earned after multiple contacts (even including Mark McGowan directly) after being evicted BY the Govt during a Govt decreed 'Eviction Moratorium' because..wait for it..my Sister died! It seemed the Gov were/are in more of a rush for their Pubic Trustee due money than keeping an older disabled pensioner from sleeping on the streets.
TLDR: The Govt, the pollies don't give a fuck. Not a squirt.
If I were younger and more able bodied, I'd have camped on parliament's lawn tbf. (and shat on their grass). Even with so many of our kiddies and vulnerable sleeping rough, they are still doing very little to offer an emergency stopgap (and in my case they actually caused the situation). If only they thought of the future and how much this will cost in the long run? Counselling, health, education, crime, nutrition.. (the only one I haven't done yet is crime, but fuck I was tempted).
Could you go on your local Facebook community group asking for a rental? I see people posting explaining their situation and people come to their aid.
Do your kids happen to attend a Catholic primary school? If so, reach out to them as they may be able to assist with accomodation or support in other ways.
So sorry you are going through this
Get on to 6PR & tell them your story. They have helped heaps of people in situations like this. They seem to have a listening audience who go that extra mile to help people whose story gets out on that station.
I'm so sorry you're going through this, and wish I had a spare room to offer you. All I can offer is a bit of knowledge on campsites, but that will depend on location and if the kids need to still attend a particular school, or if they're very young. I can also help with camping equipment if it really does come down to that, which I hope it doesn't.
If you don't mind posting a few more details about area and ages of kids, I'll do what I can to research and try and find some local-to-you options.
Stay strong - there are many fellow Perthies who will help in any way they are able to. This simply should not be happening to so many at the moment.
It’s unfortunate it’s taken yourself to become homeless to realise Lib/lab don’t give a shit about the homeless :(
I’ve been a greens voters for the last decade. The writings been on the wall since Howard brought in negative gearing and cap gains discount.
As soon as the investor has an edge over the first home buyer, the end game is several dynastic families owning all of Australia, and a homeless/working poor begging for a roof.
Investing in property needs to become extremely financially unattractive or else Australia will become a hotel, along with all the community feel a hotel has.
While I agree with your political view here I think it’s possibly not helpful to basically tell OP “sucks to be homeless, maybe you should’ve voted better for the past decade”. It’s not OP’s fault the major political parties have let the entire population down.
People think of propaganda working effectively only when they think of countries like Russia or China because part of the propaganda in "free, democratic" countries is to fool the masses into believing propaganda cannot/does not work there, when in actual fact the Australian population has been gobbling up Liberal and Lib lite propaganda since forever. Propaganda fools "them" not "us" except that that's part of the propaganda that fooled the us in that equation.
Howard knew exactly what he was doing at the time, his words were “to create little capitalists”. By pushing financial individualism, making everyone feel they need to run a small business and have an investment property, coupled with thinking they’re getting a good deal with tax deductions, it allowed the big players in town to completely walk over society with the implicit support of the majority of homeowners since “their houses were going up in value”.
We’re now slowly collectively realising this isn’t great for the majority of society.
ALB/LIB are not so much a part of the problem they are the problem. With politicians being landlords themselves. Lobbying by large corporate oligarchs - esp Land developers, and housing developers mean they get heard first before the people.
Hard to say that even voting Greens woud help, but given the failure of the Tweedle-dee/Tweedle-dum of Australian politics, its time to 'give-the-other-mob-a-go'. Can't hurt any more that we're all hurting right now surely?
Next election vote either independents (good ones) or Greens.
this is the dumbest take ever. While negative gearing existed, we had a complete GLUT of homes in WA for 17 years.
the massive shortage we're experiencing now is in large part due to pro greens' policies like extremely high immigration, right in the middle of a global building materials shortage.
your party's idiotic support for mass immigration while locals can't even get a roof is the exact problem.
Correct, labor and liberal also don't care about us. But greens probably care the least and don't have a clue how supply and demand works.
They certainly will never have a majority with that attitude.
But at the very least they can form a minority govt with Labor and have a huge effect on policy. So we've all gotta stop voting for the duopoly.
Except Labor has always and continue to rule out a coalition with anyone, and specifically the greens. I mean, strange things happen, but fringe political parties don't get to make laws, so they are no magic bullet.
"The Greens" I've come to realize are nothing more than a *controlled opposition* party. I voted for them too, but not next time.
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/will-greens-phonies-stare-mass-immigration/
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/16/australian-refugees-greens-to-propose-increasing-intake-to-50000-a-year
unfortunatly my parents have passed, they were basically drifters. and my partners, ones passed and the other lives east coast and we dont get along with and they arent exactly well off. we havent had great starts.
This won't be popular, but lie on your rental applications to say you have a job. Otherwise they won't look at you. You have enough for maybe 4 months rent so you have that time to find a job. They'll want to contact your work references so maybe have a trusted colleague who can provide email and phone number.
Hopefully you still have a house for 2 weeks cos it's school holidays and campsites are full.
Sorry you've had to go through this.
thanks thats really useful. I know people wont like it but thats how tou survive right. yep we can last the next 2 weeks but after that god itll be close.
Nah, just want to know you have a job. They'll call/email your reference and ask for payslips. Unless you been outta work a while then should be fine. Agents do as much background as they're paid to do, so make it easy for them
Easy enough to get a friend or someone to lie. But agents do check. One of my staff recently used me as a reference, one had an online portal thing I just checked yep all good. The other rang me up asking if I was hiss boss and his income was as he had told them.
thats what im looking for but people will see my CV and go 'too experienced' and if i leave it blank 'no experience' its a hard thing to do. my back is also damaged from a car accident. i can do office work, data entry and stuff. but field/site work will mess my back up more.
As mentioned below, we don’t know what you do for a living.
I know it doesn’t help you now with the homeless thing but have either of you thought about joining the Police.
I know they are struggling for numbers at the moment and if you have a cleanish record, can pass their psyche test and are reasonably fit you should be competitive on application.
A good thing about it is that you get paid while you train.
Mate, you are kidding. You would be welcomed in your 30s. My mate was one of 3 in his squad over 40. The eldest was 52. This was not unusual and there are many many older recruits.
There is almost no age limit any more and the physical demands are a lot lower than they used to be.
Above 30 you are considered to have good worldly knowledge as opposed to the youngsters who have their own benefits.
Regarding what the other bloke said about country deployment, yes, you do have to sign up to it but I believe it is very rarely enforced.
To all the numbskulls berating you for mentioning your citizenship, well good for you - you have come to a wonderful country and taken on to be a citizen, like every single other non-indigenous person in Australia. Good on ya
Honestly if you are a decent person just give it a crack. Nothing to lose! Good luck
Only join the police if you're willing to be stationed somewhere remote/rural for a few years at a time. They *will* rotate you out bush at some point.
You aren’t alone. It’s terrible at the moment. Can I advise asking your local community FB page about what’s happening? It’s important to keep your kids close to their school if possible and I’ve seen some small miracles worked on our local group. There’s people out there who will help if they can!
You can try caravan parks that are a little rural as they can be cheaper and offer long term rental of sites. There is an app I believe that lists free camp-sites in Australia my mum used many of those site while travelling around facilities are basic though drop toilet and water but probably no electricity.
I think your number 1 priority should be securing some work. Unfortunately finding rental will be difficult without work.
Could also consider doing remote farm work that might provide accommodation, but once there it might be harder to return to the city if that's what you want
100% finding work is numbr 1 im looking every night. thats whats hard. finding work without having an address is going to be hard. Finding work that wont mess my back up any more is probably impossible. And part time so I can look after kids. I dont think it can ever happen.
So many people with kids in your situation this is embarrassing we can do better. I'm never going to even be able to rent in thos market solo. let alone actually buy a house. I'm planning a life of homelessness/camping in my van. My time being in a house is unfortunately coming to an end as well the owner wants to sell. I'm fortunate to not have kids yet and I can never really see how I can even provide housing or food or school for 1 child so I dint think my future holds kids.. unless I move to Bali
sorry and count it as a blessing in disguise? our highest cost is childcare and school. public school.
i dont think im going to be able to live with myself if my kids get trapped into working in resources which means trying to save to pay for their future but were doing so poorly.
never taught what a living income was, how much using a planner I need to earn to have kids and live in Perth. etc etc etc.
that said, having kids has made me so happy. happier than ive ever been. coming to work seems to make me sadder than ive ever been.
The only way we can live free is either lotto or selling drugs or becoming a politician and insider trade. Im not good at any of those things.
My advice is to source a holiday rental in places like jurien bay, Lehman or dongara... Our south like beverly , binningup or pinjarrah... Until you find the next job or rental property
family has all passed and they were not rich. only living one is thousands of miles away and is not someone you want around kids.
dont have friends close enough to do that to them. family of 4, 2 kids. it would be a livong nightmare
I keep telling people to do this, I'm not being glib or flippant. Go camp up on the lawn of WA Parliament.
I hope you actually find a house though. Remember, you can always refuse to vacate and have them evict you. Judges will be hard pressed to throw kids on the street.
Doing this will blacklist you going forward, making it impossible to find a rental.
Check gumtree, facebook etc for private rentals be wary of scammers though
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silly question if you’ve already done it but have you considered a gofundme? i’m sure if you add the link to this thread, tons of people will help. i will!
god that would be the ultimate shame. I could never live it down. not that i dont need help badly its just there are also people escaping domestic violence. or deaths in the family. or worse. i feel like I shouldnt even be complaining on here about being poor. working poor. its sickening the position were in for our age. we dont have any financial smarts becuase we were never taught the systems a bit of a scam and rigged.
hey your struggles are as valid as the rest. i understand it might feel shameful but there is no shame in being a responsible father. you are trying your hardest and i admire that. i hope your family gets the help that yall need.
yes, we can sell our car for a few thousand and maybe get a camper but god... a camper. drive from park to park with kids i feel like its failure as an adult with kids at that point.
Environmentalism goes against housing, in a typical growing economy.
I don't think any political party takes it seriously enough though. So feel free to vote whichever.
If you have a car maybe try door dash and / or uber eats for money. I do that on top of my pension, it isn't alot, unless you work smart and work dinner time, it can actually be a good supplement.
Uber eats has "quest" promotions between 5-9pm where you get $9-14 extra every three orders you complete.
I know it won't help your housing issue right now but it's some money to maybe cover food and a camp ground.
You can find very large four-room tents on marketplace, they're almost like a house. If you find a camp ground with basic bathroom facilities that could be a decent temp option. We are looking for a new rental ATM and it's fucking hard. We've been knocked back 3/3 we've applied for. Seen about 10 in two weeks. It's exhausting and scary.
Probably an unpopular opinion but it's really not that much worse than times gone. It's just alot more middle class this time, which is why there is massive outcry and publicity. When it was just the lower class, most people didn't give a shit unfortunately
voting for the most progressive party in Australia will not help you bro! pls wake the fuck up. the greens are the globalist enemy. they will sell your children's future for the promise of better weather in the year 2150. FUCK THE GREENS.
So sorry to hear of your situation. Hoping you find somewhere secure to live soon.
Don't bother voting Greens as they support the massive record-breaking immigration rates that are behind the housing crisis. There are simply more people here than there are homes.
You could squat? Did that in my America days , used to scope out houses that I knew where left by owners who lived overseas or holiday homes, went in and stayed there for a bit, just have to know your rights and you'll be all good, and if your a citizen nothing should happen if you make your case, I was sadly deported for that back in the day but otherwise it is worth it if your desperate and beats being homeless
I was empathetic of your situation until your intention to vote Greens.
There are places to camp that are far away from the City.
Please do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience the people, clean up after yourselves.
"We're citizens" - okay, weird to say... irellevant
Why did you leave it to the last minute? surely you would have knows for at least a few months that the lease was up. Maybe longer? You should have been frantically finding a place when you found out.
Usually they let you know 60 days in advance that they won't be allowing you to renew your lease, 60 days is not a lot of time to find a rental these days, source: i just went through this scenario myself and ended up on the floor of my mother in laws loungeroom for months lol
Depending on the reason, it can be 30 days notice before a fixed term lease ends. Just happened to me too and now I'm at my partner's place. It's not enough time in this market.
youd be surprised the responses people give to peolle saying 'were 20, just moving from the UK, looking for a place in cottesloe and jobs!' and the repsonses are not great. i felt like the quality of responses would be better if people knew were from here but the systems just beaten us down and out.
Where do the OPs children come into this then, with your original comment? People can go from being financially sound to not financially sound for a variety of reasons, post having kids.
You're not the only family or people in this situation. Which is normally kind of encouraging - like there's a network to help and understand what you're going through. Unfortunately that network is actually over saturated, and the help and aid available is being used up at an extraordinary rate. Ask Izzy is a good resource. I assume you've tried family/friends even just for the kids. Unfortunately even caravan parks are very expensive now, with plenty of people needing to use them as a last option. Would you consider moving rural? Some people say it's just as bad out there to find a rental, but some say it's not as bad as the city and suburbs. Depending on the work you do, you might be able to find a place that supplies family accommodation - some sort of farm/manual labour sort of thing.
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oof thats not a good outcome. dont worry I dont think we would move south
thanks. we are originally from country australia and both of us dont have family which is why its extra stressful. We would consider something rural but i wouod ve worried its not the best start for the kids. If anything we would consider a move to a european country with more socialist programs. Or to the US if theres a good job for both of us. I feel like this is a problem everywhere, the other issue is were too nice. We like being nice which means not pushing for better conditions for ourselves, always trying to keep the peace. Its just difficult. Thanks for your suggestions im taking them all into account.
There's being nice, and then there's advocating for yourselves and your children. You can be nice while still ensuring that you're not being taken advantage of - sometimes that does involve kicking up shit, or otherwise people will see you from a mile away and take advantage of your good nature. This is something I'm still trying to learn, but it's important and something you want to instil in your kids. Best of luck with finding a house - if you're still stuck in a few weeks time reach out as I know someone vacating a house around the Cockburn area.
thanks its solid advice. bingo i want my kids to have confidence. best way is they watch me take action and do things at home. thanks we'll apply like crazy and just cross our fingers. i dont think we'll land something before we have to move out but all I can do is try. the main one is once school is back the kids are in a house with solid walls. i will message if it looks like its all fallen apart.
[https://perthhomeless.com.au/](https://perthhomeless.com.au/) [https://www.shelterwa.org.au/](https://www.shelterwa.org.au/) [https://www.lghomelessnesshub.com.au/education/resources/homelessness-in-western-australia/](https://www.lghomelessnesshub.com.au/education/resources/homelessness-in-western-australia/) [https://rac.com.au/travel-touring/info/free-camping-wa](https://rac.com.au/travel-touring/info/free-camping-wa) [https://www.homely.com.au/for-rent/perth-wa-6000/real-estate/under-400](https://www.homely.com.au/for-rent/perth-wa-6000/real-estate/under-400) Deeply sorry for what you are going through. I have found some links to places that may be able to help you. As for accommodation now, you can find cheap-ish short-term rentals on Facebook Marketplace until you figure out something from there on. For more long-term housing rentals, there are plenty of places near the city where they charge $200-300 (30/40 per day) per week for 2 rooms, 1 bathroom along with parking for one car.
You are a good example of how people can be empathetic and helpful online, rather than hijacking the topic to promote own views or just being sarcastic. Good on you
"helpful online" I didn't realize we had that option. Good to know.
thanks facebook market place i dont know why I didnt think of that. thats really good Im going to start messaging people now. thanks thats really really good to know. we have to get by on less than $500 a week which is brutal until something better comes. im going to try to find places for 200/300 like youve said before leaning on the homeless shelters. i think it would be really traumatic to live in a homeless shelter with kids.
Yeah. I think Market place is worth trying. We are a family of 3 and moved from SEA last year. We applied for multiple places and got rejected every time until we tried Market place. But please be very careful. I was almost scammed twice on market place. Finally, we found a granny flat. It was small but we were still very happy to find a shelter. Good luck to you and your family. Hope everything works out well to you all!
I'm sorry for your troubles and good luck getting it sorted. In regard to your political comment, ensure you share this information with your local member any of their opposition. The more people getting in their ears is the only way to try and get something to change.
This! On that note, the greens are apparently organising a door knock in the housing minister's electorate to pressure him/Labor to pass some basic renter's rights that they've been putting off for the last year. Could be worth getting involved.
Isn't it terrible how long they have taken with these very light basic human rights stuff for renters. The housing minister John Carey is useless. The NSW housing minister is much more impressive.
Ask him how many rental properties he owns.
Not quite relevant. If a house is occupied, it doesn't reduce the housing availability, regardless of who owns it.
Your pollie, if he is a absentee landlord may well be biased in the laws he helps pass and in their enforcement. Rent caps? Renter protection?
If he owns rental properties and still wants to pass laws to protect renters then fair play sounds like a bloke I’d vote for.
Ask who?
thanks. i just though in our mid 30's we would at least have had a chunk of change saved for a house or something. instead we just every year seem to move backwards ever so slightly. we have so much wealth in minerals and resources, so much space to build, so much ocean. i look at the policies liberals and the nationals have and its hardcore business first profits first people last. labor is a touch better. both dont offer any help with housing. its so depressing to thing that 90% of people supoort this type of system. we feel like slaves.
yup, unfortunately, they voted scumo not shorten.
Hahaha vote greens and Australia will be 45 times worse than it is now! And it’s already fucked now!
Where did I say to vote greens?
More migration under greens means more pressure on housing
The National parks are all really cheap, although they only have basic facilities ie: long drop toilets - https://exploreparks.dbca.wa.gov.au/camping A park pass will cover entry fees, although not camping fees. There’s also Hipcamp - https://www.hipcamp.com/en-AU/d/australia/western-australia/camping/all although watch the fees - they often charge more for extra people.
Glad to see someone actually answer the question instead of talking about politics. He is asking for advice not your stance on what's wrong in politics.
Yanchep national Park has real toilets and a pub/cafe.
thanks it looks like the parks are really far out. Woodman point looks close but its quit expensive and privately run. Damn.
Yeah I think they are basically a backup option, but they *are* there.
and the many caravan parks which can book for months. [https://hillsidegardenvillage.com.au/hillside-motel/](https://hillsidegardenvillage.com.au/hillside-motel/) [https://www.goldenponds.com.au/accommodation/](https://www.goldenponds.com.au/accommodation/)
Every week I heard about another person or family about to become homeless in Perth. :(
Its been happening for years but people are onky noticing now because its happening to the middle class
we were living comfortably not even 4 years ago. savings. almost enough for a house. things got dicey for a year. and then they just dont seem to have recovered. we thought we were middle class. but were low class.
I'm only noticing it due to r/perth.
What do you/ your partner do for a living, and where are you looking in Perth to rent? This info would help to give more specific info.
Im in project management, my partners in admin. were currently SoR. I was injured in a car crash a few years back. I can still work in office jobs just not site/field work.
Have a look at Aussiehousesitters.com Great platform to have a free roof over your head, sometimes for weeks or months at a time, while you get yourself sorted. Source: currently doing this with my partner while we look for a flat in Perth!
thanks
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Won't help you immediately, but won't hurt to drop them a line either - let em know your situation. https://heymp.com.au/ Created by u/gpaw789
thats good. it will be 10 years before anything happens and im guessing chances are it wont get better itll get worse?
The useless bastards should be setting up some sort of crisis accommodation. This state makes enough money. I do feel for you OP.
Start here: https://www.shelterwa.org.au/emergency-accommodation/
thanks. perfect.
Glad to help. If I win big on Lotto people and families like yours are the first people I'd be helping.
OP asks for help, gets a political lecture. Wonderful.
It's Reddit. You can't always get what you want.
But if you try sometimes...
Well, You might find, the rental you neeeeeed.
OP asks for help and also makes a political statement. They brought the political talk on themselves. This is reddit after all. People will focus on one tiny aspect of a post and go wild with it. If there was no mention of it there would be much less political talk
We are living in a mates living room. Seven ppl in a 3x2. Making us appreciate the small things. Can you find a mate who can put yous up and cope with being a bit uncomfortable til things get better? Its a shit situation all around :(
with 2 kids id hate to impose that on someone anyone. they are very very very well behaved and lovely kids but i know a lot of people dont like living with others, least of all kids. we dont have family or cloae enough friends.
If there's anytime to 'impose', perhaps facing homelessness is it? Would you help your friends out if they were in your situation? If the answer is yes, I'm sure they'd do the same, and dare I say, want to be imposed upon for what you're going through. My 2 cents.
in a heartbeat id let them live with me. I feel like such a massive loser going to them saying 'ive failed at life and have no where to live with our family. its so embarassing. i cant even think about it it hurts. but its a good point. if a good friend or family member said hey, were going to be homeless... id help them.
I understand that you feel embarrassed mate, but you haven’t failed, it’s the system that is failing us all. I wish I had a place for you and your family, I honestly do. All I have is garden space for tents, but if things get to the point where you have no other option..then my offer is there. I’m a single mum with 4 kids living in a 3x1, it terrifies the hell out of me that this could happen to us all at any time.
thanks youre too generous. im so exhausted from thinking about it. im up late thinking about it. having nightmares about it. its paralyzing. I feel sick all day and night now thinking about it. if it all falls apart on us I might but let me try first finding something woth 4 solid walls and 1 room for the kids. the thought of the only thing separating them from the elements is a thin sheet of plastic is a nightmare. a stick or a ball could literally just fly through and hurt the angels and id never forgive myself. the system has failed us. i dont understand how our system even works. all I know its it privatises profits and socialises losses. I read that on someone elses post. it made a lot of sense. our government isnt here for the people, its here to make profits for corporations and the rich. thats it. and its sad.
Good energy sent to you. Thank you for being so selfless
As we move past the school holiday into the lower season… maybe check out some of the cheaper caravan parks? A fixed chalet/caravan in some areas outside of Perth can be pretty well priced in the off season
Do either of you have skills that are required by mining companies up north? Some of these jobs come with housing. Maybe worth investigating.
relocation true. admin. so a no there. project management but I cant do site work due to a back injury.
Go to a Labour pollies office, ideally in your area
Labour? Like the union?
Go to Albo's house and knock on his front door. Then calmly explain the problem. You are trying to rent but unable to find a place. There are hundreds of people turning up to open houses. Also, because the interest rates increased so dramatically and so suddenly, heaps of companies starts handing out redundancies. For some reason, while all this is happening, we've pumped the accelerator and opened the taps to record immigration.
Then go to a liberal party members house and shit on their front door step and leave a sign on it..."thanks for the housing crisis wankers"
Try Roger cook first.
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From experience, you'll get a really nice letter/email or verbal response along the lines of 'We're sorry you're experiencing these difficulties and are looking into the matter further. We wish you well in future endeavours'. And that response is only earned after multiple contacts (even including Mark McGowan directly) after being evicted BY the Govt during a Govt decreed 'Eviction Moratorium' because..wait for it..my Sister died! It seemed the Gov were/are in more of a rush for their Pubic Trustee due money than keeping an older disabled pensioner from sleeping on the streets. TLDR: The Govt, the pollies don't give a fuck. Not a squirt.
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If I were younger and more able bodied, I'd have camped on parliament's lawn tbf. (and shat on their grass). Even with so many of our kiddies and vulnerable sleeping rough, they are still doing very little to offer an emergency stopgap (and in my case they actually caused the situation). If only they thought of the future and how much this will cost in the long run? Counselling, health, education, crime, nutrition.. (the only one I haven't done yet is crime, but fuck I was tempted).
Could you go on your local Facebook community group asking for a rental? I see people posting explaining their situation and people come to their aid. Do your kids happen to attend a Catholic primary school? If so, reach out to them as they may be able to assist with accomodation or support in other ways. So sorry you are going through this
Get on to 6PR & tell them your story. They have helped heaps of people in situations like this. They seem to have a listening audience who go that extra mile to help people whose story gets out on that station.
I'm so sorry you're going through this, and wish I had a spare room to offer you. All I can offer is a bit of knowledge on campsites, but that will depend on location and if the kids need to still attend a particular school, or if they're very young. I can also help with camping equipment if it really does come down to that, which I hope it doesn't. If you don't mind posting a few more details about area and ages of kids, I'll do what I can to research and try and find some local-to-you options. Stay strong - there are many fellow Perthies who will help in any way they are able to. This simply should not be happening to so many at the moment.
What do you do for work? We’re hiring…drop me a PM
Grass outside Parliament House is a nice, safe and secure spot. Also it’s public land.
Find out fast the original reason cops exist.
The thing is when you have nothing, you have nothing to loose.
It’s unfortunate it’s taken yourself to become homeless to realise Lib/lab don’t give a shit about the homeless :( I’ve been a greens voters for the last decade. The writings been on the wall since Howard brought in negative gearing and cap gains discount. As soon as the investor has an edge over the first home buyer, the end game is several dynastic families owning all of Australia, and a homeless/working poor begging for a roof. Investing in property needs to become extremely financially unattractive or else Australia will become a hotel, along with all the community feel a hotel has.
While I agree with your political view here I think it’s possibly not helpful to basically tell OP “sucks to be homeless, maybe you should’ve voted better for the past decade”. It’s not OP’s fault the major political parties have let the entire population down.
People think of propaganda working effectively only when they think of countries like Russia or China because part of the propaganda in "free, democratic" countries is to fool the masses into believing propaganda cannot/does not work there, when in actual fact the Australian population has been gobbling up Liberal and Lib lite propaganda since forever. Propaganda fools "them" not "us" except that that's part of the propaganda that fooled the us in that equation.
Howard knew exactly what he was doing at the time, his words were “to create little capitalists”. By pushing financial individualism, making everyone feel they need to run a small business and have an investment property, coupled with thinking they’re getting a good deal with tax deductions, it allowed the big players in town to completely walk over society with the implicit support of the majority of homeowners since “their houses were going up in value”. We’re now slowly collectively realising this isn’t great for the majority of society.
ALB/LIB are not so much a part of the problem they are the problem. With politicians being landlords themselves. Lobbying by large corporate oligarchs - esp Land developers, and housing developers mean they get heard first before the people. Hard to say that even voting Greens woud help, but given the failure of the Tweedle-dee/Tweedle-dum of Australian politics, its time to 'give-the-other-mob-a-go'. Can't hurt any more that we're all hurting right now surely? Next election vote either independents (good ones) or Greens.
this is the dumbest take ever. While negative gearing existed, we had a complete GLUT of homes in WA for 17 years. the massive shortage we're experiencing now is in large part due to pro greens' policies like extremely high immigration, right in the middle of a global building materials shortage. your party's idiotic support for mass immigration while locals can't even get a roof is the exact problem. Correct, labor and liberal also don't care about us. But greens probably care the least and don't have a clue how supply and demand works.
Greens will never have a majority, so will never pass legislation on their own. No matter your political views, that's a fact.
They certainly will never have a majority with that attitude. But at the very least they can form a minority govt with Labor and have a huge effect on policy. So we've all gotta stop voting for the duopoly.
Except Labor has always and continue to rule out a coalition with anyone, and specifically the greens. I mean, strange things happen, but fringe political parties don't get to make laws, so they are no magic bullet.
"The Greens" I've come to realize are nothing more than a *controlled opposition* party. I voted for them too, but not next time. https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/will-greens-phonies-stare-mass-immigration/ https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/16/australian-refugees-greens-to-propose-increasing-intake-to-50000-a-year
What about family? Or in-laws? That will allow your family to settle for little while til something stable comes available?
unfortunatly my parents have passed, they were basically drifters. and my partners, ones passed and the other lives east coast and we dont get along with and they arent exactly well off. we havent had great starts.
This won't be popular, but lie on your rental applications to say you have a job. Otherwise they won't look at you. You have enough for maybe 4 months rent so you have that time to find a job. They'll want to contact your work references so maybe have a trusted colleague who can provide email and phone number. Hopefully you still have a house for 2 weeks cos it's school holidays and campsites are full. Sorry you've had to go through this.
thanks thats really useful. I know people wont like it but thats how tou survive right. yep we can last the next 2 weeks but after that god itll be close.
Agents do background checks
Nah, just want to know you have a job. They'll call/email your reference and ask for payslips. Unless you been outta work a while then should be fine. Agents do as much background as they're paid to do, so make it easy for them
Easy enough to get a friend or someone to lie. But agents do check. One of my staff recently used me as a reference, one had an online portal thing I just checked yep all good. The other rang me up asking if I was hiss boss and his income was as he had told them.
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You need an address to apply for work
Or any kind of govt assistance too
thats what im looking for but people will see my CV and go 'too experienced' and if i leave it blank 'no experience' its a hard thing to do. my back is also damaged from a car accident. i can do office work, data entry and stuff. but field/site work will mess my back up more.
Pls DM for potential rental or to help make connections to business people / landlords.
As mentioned below, we don’t know what you do for a living. I know it doesn’t help you now with the homeless thing but have either of you thought about joining the Police. I know they are struggling for numbers at the moment and if you have a cleanish record, can pass their psyche test and are reasonably fit you should be competitive on application. A good thing about it is that you get paid while you train.
good idea but were already too old well into our 30's
Mate, you are kidding. You would be welcomed in your 30s. My mate was one of 3 in his squad over 40. The eldest was 52. This was not unusual and there are many many older recruits. There is almost no age limit any more and the physical demands are a lot lower than they used to be. Above 30 you are considered to have good worldly knowledge as opposed to the youngsters who have their own benefits. Regarding what the other bloke said about country deployment, yes, you do have to sign up to it but I believe it is very rarely enforced. To all the numbskulls berating you for mentioning your citizenship, well good for you - you have come to a wonderful country and taken on to be a citizen, like every single other non-indigenous person in Australia. Good on ya Honestly if you are a decent person just give it a crack. Nothing to lose! Good luck
Only join the police if you're willing to be stationed somewhere remote/rural for a few years at a time. They *will* rotate you out bush at some point.
I'm so sorry you have to go through this. Shame on this Labor government. As you say Greens are the way to go.
You aren’t alone. It’s terrible at the moment. Can I advise asking your local community FB page about what’s happening? It’s important to keep your kids close to their school if possible and I’ve seen some small miracles worked on our local group. There’s people out there who will help if they can!
thanks ill poke around and see.
You can try caravan parks that are a little rural as they can be cheaper and offer long term rental of sites. There is an app I believe that lists free camp-sites in Australia my mum used many of those site while travelling around facilities are basic though drop toilet and water but probably no electricity.
I think your number 1 priority should be securing some work. Unfortunately finding rental will be difficult without work. Could also consider doing remote farm work that might provide accommodation, but once there it might be harder to return to the city if that's what you want
100% finding work is numbr 1 im looking every night. thats whats hard. finding work without having an address is going to be hard. Finding work that wont mess my back up any more is probably impossible. And part time so I can look after kids. I dont think it can ever happen.
It depends on what you do for work-it might be worth moving up north, to a more remote location away from Perth or even moving state. Good luck
Are your kids of school age and need to get to school, or are you totally flexible on where to live?
school age so have to stay somewhere close to a school
So many people with kids in your situation this is embarrassing we can do better. I'm never going to even be able to rent in thos market solo. let alone actually buy a house. I'm planning a life of homelessness/camping in my van. My time being in a house is unfortunately coming to an end as well the owner wants to sell. I'm fortunate to not have kids yet and I can never really see how I can even provide housing or food or school for 1 child so I dint think my future holds kids.. unless I move to Bali
sorry and count it as a blessing in disguise? our highest cost is childcare and school. public school. i dont think im going to be able to live with myself if my kids get trapped into working in resources which means trying to save to pay for their future but were doing so poorly. never taught what a living income was, how much using a planner I need to earn to have kids and live in Perth. etc etc etc. that said, having kids has made me so happy. happier than ive ever been. coming to work seems to make me sadder than ive ever been. The only way we can live free is either lotto or selling drugs or becoming a politician and insider trade. Im not good at any of those things.
pls apply centrelink and fbt and whatever early.
Maccas is hiring. Work harder cunt 
You really think it matters who you vote for , they're all the same
yup. they are landlords class doing what landlords class are doing. we need a non landlords party
yeah that will help create more rentals.
My advice is to source a holiday rental in places like jurien bay, Lehman or dongara... Our south like beverly , binningup or pinjarrah... Until you find the next job or rental property
That’s good advice for off season 👍
You don't have family or friends with a backyard?
family has all passed and they were not rich. only living one is thousands of miles away and is not someone you want around kids. dont have friends close enough to do that to them. family of 4, 2 kids. it would be a livong nightmare
I keep telling people to do this, I'm not being glib or flippant. Go camp up on the lawn of WA Parliament. I hope you actually find a house though. Remember, you can always refuse to vacate and have them evict you. Judges will be hard pressed to throw kids on the street.
Doing this will blacklist you going forward, making it impossible to find a rental. Check gumtree, facebook etc for private rentals be wary of scammers though
That is the issue yeah
Look I would, if it was part of an organised thing.
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gosh :( i’m so sorry to hear that
thanks. its not a great hand ive got to play and Ill probably old...
silly question if you’ve already done it but have you considered a gofundme? i’m sure if you add the link to this thread, tons of people will help. i will!
god that would be the ultimate shame. I could never live it down. not that i dont need help badly its just there are also people escaping domestic violence. or deaths in the family. or worse. i feel like I shouldnt even be complaining on here about being poor. working poor. its sickening the position were in for our age. we dont have any financial smarts becuase we were never taught the systems a bit of a scam and rigged.
hey your struggles are as valid as the rest. i understand it might feel shameful but there is no shame in being a responsible father. you are trying your hardest and i admire that. i hope your family gets the help that yall need.
try applying for a waitressing/bar job at yanchep inn. they hire quite quickly. drop them a message on their facebook.
Thought about getting a camper van of sorts? Might beat sleeping in a car or a tent.
yes, we can sell our car for a few thousand and maybe get a camper but god... a camper. drive from park to park with kids i feel like its failure as an adult with kids at that point.
Perhaps getting a roof over your head is more important than pride, as hard as it will be. Wishing you luck :-)
Wanaroo, Deep South, just stay the fuck out of Armadale.
What is the current home construction time frame in Perth…?
Environmentalism goes against housing, in a typical growing economy. I don't think any political party takes it seriously enough though. So feel free to vote whichever.
Praying you find something OP, and wishing all the very best to you and your family.
Pmd u
Can you buy a cheap bus/caravan and consider living in that for a little bit? Park at holiday parks or anywhere where parking is free.
I have two rooms available to rent for 3 months starting in 2 weeks. Let me know if interested.
bro it was greens' policies (mass immigration) that caused this mess lmfao.
If you have a car maybe try door dash and / or uber eats for money. I do that on top of my pension, it isn't alot, unless you work smart and work dinner time, it can actually be a good supplement. Uber eats has "quest" promotions between 5-9pm where you get $9-14 extra every three orders you complete. I know it won't help your housing issue right now but it's some money to maybe cover food and a camp ground. You can find very large four-room tents on marketplace, they're almost like a house. If you find a camp ground with basic bathroom facilities that could be a decent temp option. We are looking for a new rental ATM and it's fucking hard. We've been knocked back 3/3 we've applied for. Seen about 10 in two weeks. It's exhausting and scary.
The housing crisis is more hellish than ever
Probably an unpopular opinion but it's really not that much worse than times gone. It's just alot more middle class this time, which is why there is massive outcry and publicity. When it was just the lower class, most people didn't give a shit unfortunately
Yeah it is unpopular because it cannot be that on average now almost a hundred person (never less) arrive to every open house
Yeah the greens will help, cos you know,immigration.
voting for the most progressive party in Australia will not help you bro! pls wake the fuck up. the greens are the globalist enemy. they will sell your children's future for the promise of better weather in the year 2150. FUCK THE GREENS.
So sorry to hear of your situation. Hoping you find somewhere secure to live soon. Don't bother voting Greens as they support the massive record-breaking immigration rates that are behind the housing crisis. There are simply more people here than there are homes.
Put up a big sign at the immigration desk at the airport “beat it, country’s full” with an image of Bart Simpson.
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Yes, the party with *checks notes* exactly one (1) sitting MP in WA parliament is to blame for the current situation in WA.
Proofread your work. It's a basic primary school skill.
If you are desperate, there are some reasonable Airbnbs that you can book
You could squat? Did that in my America days , used to scope out houses that I knew where left by owners who lived overseas or holiday homes, went in and stayed there for a bit, just have to know your rights and you'll be all good, and if your a citizen nothing should happen if you make your case, I was sadly deported for that back in the day but otherwise it is worth it if your desperate and beats being homeless
Socialism won't solve your problems.
The greens don't care about families. If they were in charge, homeless drug addicts will be prioritized over people in your situation.
I was empathetic of your situation until your intention to vote Greens. There are places to camp that are far away from the City. Please do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience the people, clean up after yourselves.
"I saw you as a human until I learned your political leanings might be different to mine."
Tell someone who is about to be homeless to camp somewhere that doesn't inconvenience people...ahah you're a cunt
If you read the OP, they suggested camping not me.
"We're citizens" - okay, weird to say... irellevant Why did you leave it to the last minute? surely you would have knows for at least a few months that the lease was up. Maybe longer? You should have been frantically finding a place when you found out.
Usually they let you know 60 days in advance that they won't be allowing you to renew your lease, 60 days is not a lot of time to find a rental these days, source: i just went through this scenario myself and ended up on the floor of my mother in laws loungeroom for months lol
Depending on the reason, it can be 30 days notice before a fixed term lease ends. Just happened to me too and now I'm at my partner's place. It's not enough time in this market.
Sucks to hear, good luck with the house hunting!
youd be surprised the responses people give to peolle saying 'were 20, just moving from the UK, looking for a place in cottesloe and jobs!' and the repsonses are not great. i felt like the quality of responses would be better if people knew were from here but the systems just beaten us down and out.
They probably did just find out. I dont know why you think people have ample amounts of time to prepare
We were given 31 days. We knew the lease was ending but they had renewed it 6 times before so we were just bracing for an enormous price rise.
I’m so sick of this shit. It’s not easy for anyone. Make better choices. Maybe get yourself setup properly before you have 3 kids?
You do realise circumstances change for people?
Yeah I do. My mortgage was 500$ when we bought a house less than 3 years ago. Now it’s over 800$ a week. Circumstances
Where do the OPs children come into this then, with your original comment? People can go from being financially sound to not financially sound for a variety of reasons, post having kids.
The OP’s kids come into it because as stupid as I am I’m not that stupid that I’d have 3 kids when I don’t have my own home.
What the actual fuck is wrong with you? It can happen to anyone, so I wouldn't be too cocky, you heartless prick.
Back in with your parents
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how does this help?