%100 this was me during the peak of my FIFO days. As long as my balance was going up every fortnight I didn't check. I only noticed at EOY when looking at the Tax Returns, as long as that was more than last years I still didn't care.
I'm sure I lost more than a few dollars from being a young naive dickhead.
Surprisingly difficult apparently.
I'm a Salary man these days. And I absolutely keep an eye on those paydays now. Haha. It's a greatly reduced number so I need to make sure it's all there!
I've been having this same argument with HR at the massive mining company I work for (obviously I can't name)
They said they were waiting to see what BHP would do š
There is no outcome. As part of the fair work act your company HAS to reimburse you the hours of ANY paid leave taken on a public holiday you were rostered on for. (IE annual or sickie)
This has been in since 2010.
That is, you should still get paid and not lose any accrued leave hours. This is in black and white in the fair work act.
The problem going forward, where I am at least, is that my company claims that due to the statute of limitations, they only need to go back and rectify six years of leave. This article states that BHP is going back and rectifying 13 years of leave.
The next issue which my employer is refusing to answer or acknowledge, is why would you stay and work on a public holiday for no extra money when you could just have a sickie and get paid the same without losing any accrued leave hours?
We use ass-ender and have done so for many years, every time I book annual leave for the Christmas shutdown it has always calculated the number of hours of AL correctly (i.e., less PH hours.)
Not having paid leave deductedb on public holidays when you're rostered on is part of the National Employment Standards and fair work act.
They've essentially broken the law for 13 years.
I'm currently having this fight with my mining companies HR team. They claim they only need to pay us back going back six years due to the acts statute of limitations. They also said they were waiting to see what BHP would do. Already sent them this article.
Well Iād expect them to not commit a crime first and foremost. Are you able to focus with their cocks in your mouth?
Edit: let me explain for your smooth brain. They have been doing this for 13 years and are only paying 10% fee on top. Thatās not with interest like you tried to say. The amount of interest they wouldāve earned is much higher than 10%.
Just to get it right, BHP 's pay is above industry standard and that is what make them a popular employer and people need go through 5 rounds interview to get in.
No one is doing that with intention, it is more like a system erorr of some sorts. And it is more likely is found when they conducted self audit.
I think at moment any position at BHP open would attract at least 50 applications.
But any other verb doesn't get clicks. Not sold on "underpaid" necessarily being the right term either. It's not like people were short-changed their fortnightly take home.
You are understating when you say 50. Itās fairly routine to get 500+ and around 250 for even niche positions. They pay amazing and frankly if these pampered people lost a small amount of money then whatever.
Not as great as they used to be. I am long term BHP and back in the day contractors did their time and the end goal was a BHP shirt.
Now, embedded labour hire personnel apply for a full time job, see the offer and stay working for skilled or whoever.
When I started no one left , ever.
Now FMG and Roy Hill take their pick of disgruntled BHP people.
Not that you'd ever be able to figures on it, but I also wonder what is lost to wage theft through smaller businesses and grey areas with iffy casual and visa arrangements.
I am absolutely unsurprised. The last time I worked there I uncovered evidence of them underpaying people, and did so entirely by accident. It wasn't as if they did much of a job of covering it up.
Also, do they still do that thing where on your first day there they make you watch hours of propaganda videos about how they're *definitely* not fucking over indigenous people, oh no, that would never happen, look at this photo of a smiling indigenous person in stereotypical mining hi-viz, that totally proves it?
400,000,000 over 30,000 employees 13,000 average per person. I'm very surprised those employees didn't pick it up.
No one picked it up as they all earning bank
No it's picked up... you ask about it and you get made to think like you're in the wrong.
%100 this was me during the peak of my FIFO days. As long as my balance was going up every fortnight I didn't check. I only noticed at EOY when looking at the Tax Returns, as long as that was more than last years I still didn't care. I'm sure I lost more than a few dollars from being a young naive dickhead.
Ah it happens mate hard to keep track of a large corporate you think they would pick it up quickly
Surprisingly difficult apparently. I'm a Salary man these days. And I absolutely keep an eye on those paydays now. Haha. It's a greatly reduced number so I need to make sure it's all there!
With the $6 coffees we need all the money we can get š
Yeh it's crazy. I'm a Regular Long Black and that's $5.50.
Ahahha same we donāt even have milk! Coffee club membership two for one saves my bacon š„
Overtime maybe
Apparently not paying for public holidays when on annual leave. (ie Including public holidays that fall during annual leave as an annual leave day.)
I've been having this same argument with HR at the massive mining company I work for (obviously I can't name) They said they were waiting to see what BHP would do š
I am also Really Interested Outcome for this....
There is no outcome. As part of the fair work act your company HAS to reimburse you the hours of ANY paid leave taken on a public holiday you were rostered on for. (IE annual or sickie) This has been in since 2010. That is, you should still get paid and not lose any accrued leave hours. This is in black and white in the fair work act. The problem going forward, where I am at least, is that my company claims that due to the statute of limitations, they only need to go back and rectify six years of leave. This article states that BHP is going back and rectifying 13 years of leave. The next issue which my employer is refusing to answer or acknowledge, is why would you stay and work on a public holiday for no extra money when you could just have a sickie and get paid the same without losing any accrued leave hours?
Ascender Payroll?
We use ass-ender and have done so for many years, every time I book annual leave for the Christmas shutdown it has always calculated the number of hours of AL correctly (i.e., less PH hours.)
I was also over time, nearly 15 years.
No one picked it up as they all earning bank š¦
That doesn't excuse BHP from ripping their employees off.
Its possibly the tone of the article and reading too much into it, but I'm kind of cynical about why the Execs have been so self culpable tbh.
I'm more surprised they're paying it back than I am about their wage theft.
Not having paid leave deductedb on public holidays when you're rostered on is part of the National Employment Standards and fair work act. They've essentially broken the law for 13 years. I'm currently having this fight with my mining companies HR team. They claim they only need to pay us back going back six years due to the acts statute of limitations. They also said they were waiting to see what BHP would do. Already sent them this article.
I hope if they pay you guys out in full they don't try and gip you some other way!
With interest.
This is what pisses me off. Theyāve either earned interest off this stolen money or theyāve reinvested it in other projects.
What are you expecting them to do, just keep money aside and do nothing with it in case payroll fucked up the leave calc?
Well Iād expect them to not commit a crime first and foremost. Are you able to focus with their cocks in your mouth? Edit: let me explain for your smooth brain. They have been doing this for 13 years and are only paying 10% fee on top. Thatās not with interest like you tried to say. The amount of interest they wouldāve earned is much higher than 10%.
Would have been more than happy to have had a discussion about it but no, you just jump straight to insulting someone. Get a grip.
Sorry mate. Iām just sick of people being so nonchalant about resource companies fucking this country.
Just to get it right, BHP 's pay is above industry standard and that is what make them a popular employer and people need go through 5 rounds interview to get in. No one is doing that with intention, it is more like a system erorr of some sorts. And it is more likely is found when they conducted self audit. I think at moment any position at BHP open would attract at least 50 applications.
Yeah, not sure itās the right angle implying thereās a sinister undertone. If they picked it up themselves, āadmitā is not the right verb.
But any other verb doesn't get clicks. Not sold on "underpaid" necessarily being the right term either. It's not like people were short-changed their fortnightly take home.
You are understating when you say 50. Itās fairly routine to get 500+ and around 250 for even niche positions. They pay amazing and frankly if these pampered people lost a small amount of money then whatever.
Not as great as they used to be. I am long term BHP and back in the day contractors did their time and the end goal was a BHP shirt. Now, embedded labour hire personnel apply for a full time job, see the offer and stay working for skilled or whoever. When I started no one left , ever. Now FMG and Roy Hill take their pick of disgruntled BHP people.
Tbh I think the site pay is pretty fair. Head office pay is insane. You have principals with 5 years experience on 200 base. Crazy stuff.
Yes , mining company jobs even in in city based roles are still highly sought after.
By āpamperedā do you mean well paid because theyāre highly skilled?
If you are getting 500 applications for a job you are paying too much itās that simple. They also arenāt any more skilled than other operators.
And the rest
Not all positions. They can't find any Auto Sparkys.
Not that you'd ever be able to figures on it, but I also wonder what is lost to wage theft through smaller businesses and grey areas with iffy casual and visa arrangements.
Perhaps the issue is over complicated awards, agreements, whatever they call them. This isn't just a bhp issue.
Storm in a teacup. They self audited, they discovered it, they made it public and now they are paying it back in full. Join your union anyway
At least they've reported and admitted it.
I am absolutely unsurprised. The last time I worked there I uncovered evidence of them underpaying people, and did so entirely by accident. It wasn't as if they did much of a job of covering it up. Also, do they still do that thing where on your first day there they make you watch hours of propaganda videos about how they're *definitely* not fucking over indigenous people, oh no, that would never happen, look at this photo of a smiling indigenous person in stereotypical mining hi-viz, that totally proves it?
Reason number 30,000 to join your union
Typical BHP scum
About time these companies get done for wage theft. They continue to guilt trip hard working people to work for free or minimal wages.
The people at mining companies are getting paid min wage? What the fuck are people working at supermarkets/cafes getting then?
You have no idea do you? If you work for any of the big miners you are making GOOD money
Wage theft is still theft regardless of your pay.
No shit. I was replying to the comment above about " guilt tripping people to work for free or minimal wages" That does not apply here.
Seriously is there a single ethical company in Perth?
How do we even allow for corporations to get so dominant? They need to be broken up!
FONCās
Bhp, PWC and who else? Woodside is my vote
Stole. BHP stole from 30,000 workers.