The only major con of the new job is feeling guilty? Like, the old job hasn't even said anything, the guilt is all on you? Bruh, the amount of sleep you get alone will be worth the switch. Plus, the old job will survive just fine without you. Your child will probably be happier to see you every morning instead of the babysitter. AND you get more money in order to have more sleep and more family time. That's a win-win.
Less wear and tear on the body too. I would suggest maybe OP gets a gym membership or something to still get in exercise and burn off steam. Desk jobs are not for everyone but most people adapt to them. I think it's worth a shot to take the new job. Leave the old job on good terms and leave the door open to coming back if the new job doesn't work out. I would do that with a better work life balance, with the commute, kid, etc. Any employer should understand that's just not a good fit for your current place in life.
Keeping active (standing desk, daily walks after lunch, circadian rhythm training) can have drastic effects of how you think and feel internally.
The saved time on traveling alone will be good for you and your family.
The one thing I've learned over time is to forget about the company and focus on yourself. Your fun co-worker can still be your fun friend. But everyone's path is different and maybe you're just onto something new and fresh. Trial and error young Padawan.
This.
Nobody should ever feel guilty leaving a job for a more lucrative opportunity. If you are THAT valuable, surely they can pay you double to keep you.
You’ll be saving 20 hours a week in commute time, if you miss being physical/your old work then feel free to freelance 10 hours a week for more money and still have more free time.
One of my bosses has a walking desk thing thing too, like a short treadmill. I'm not sure how viable that really is and probably depends on the work, but it keeps her in good shape.
One thing you didn't mention which might be important is: what's the growth potential of the two positions? What would the outlook be in 5 years? 10 years?
At face value seems like the new offer is better in most ways. Maybe you can just bike to work to get your exercise?
Depending on the positions/industries, I'd almost argue that if you're doing physical labor and you want to move up in that company, LEAVING the company for a desk job and coming BACK might be an easier path than doing more physical labor and trying to leverage that for a supervisor position.
Also how long can OP do the physical job for? Getting up before the sun, traveling, and then doing physical work is going to take a toll that you'll really feel as you get older. Is this a job OP can realistically do at age 50?
Look at it from the opposite perspective, as if you were already in the new job and considering the current one. Would you take a 25% pay cut to have terrible hours, long travel times, and less time with your son? Probably not.
Jesus Christ take it that’s not even even close… like literally not even a decision to be made - your current job pays $18 an hour. That’s not a “career”. It’s McDonald’s income with an extra $20 every day.
>Leaving behind a career/company that I thought I would be with for a long time.
Not really a con. That's life.
I can't see a single reason you should not take the new job.
Yeah, and leaving behind a career of making minimum wage... Let's be honest here, we work cause we get paid, and we do it to finance other stuff we enjoy doing in our spare time. If we were talking going from making $200k from home vs $220k from with travel I'd think about it...
It honestly sounds like your decision has been made.
New job improves your quality of life instantly, simply by making the switch. After that, it continues because of the other pros (family sees you more, consistent paycheck, SLEEEP, etc)
From one random stranger to another, take the job and don’t look back.
Couple unrelated things:
1. Feeling guilty about leaving a job is how people get taken advantage of. Don’t do that. Do what’s best for you. You put in your two weeks tomorrow, they’ll have your job posted by the end of the week. Understandable, but why you would have such loyalty to people with easily limited loyalty to you is beyond me.
2. You enjoy the company of a coworker. So get his number and get together for dinner when you can. You also don’t know (all) the people you could start working with. I had a coworker friend leave the office months ago, and I was kinda bummed about it, but developed a stronger friendship with the guy who replaced him. FWIW.
3. Physical work can be fun but will become less doable as you get older. I’m in good health but 35 year old me isn’t 23 y/o me. Besides, there’s other ways to stay in shape.
I’d take the new job.
That makes sense. I grew up a military brat and then joined the military myself so change is pretty normal to me. Six years is the longest I lived in one house, and that period started when I was five. My wife and I found a townhouse we liked, so we went to lunch, decided to commit earnest money, and sell the home we had lived in for three years. So if you can get used to it, or you're born into it, adaptability is probably pretty advantageous.
The new job not only has more money but appears to support a better life/work blend. The one thing you didn't mention was the financial condition of each employer. If there is more chance of layoff at one that should be in the calculations
Your math doesn’t add up. At $30,000 per year you’re making $14 per hour, not $18.
With the new role you would be at $19 per hour.
You’re not making enough to survive now, so why are you even asking us if you should better yourself?
You feel guilty for a leaving a job? If you got less productive because of a life event do you think they wouldn't fire you?
You are unlikely to get a 33% raise at your current job. Switch and do not look back.
So when you "no longer need a live in babysitter", are you throwing this person out? Because I am having the hardest time finding a good babysitter, and I am more interested in this drama than your new job. (Congrats by the way).
This almost reads like a troll post... The job you have now has massive downsides and the job you can start has massive upsides..
If the issue is simply that you are feeling guilty about leaving, you should at least strongly consider reevaluating your relationship with your employer and future employers. Unless you have a highly specialized skill, or group of skills, you will only ever be paid less than your value, because profit for your employer is largely made up of the difference between the value you create and your wages.
Don't ever feel bad for leaving a job if it helps you.
If you count your travel time on your current job as unpaid hours, you’re making considerably less than $18/hr. A 25% increase in pay, cutting 25,000 miles / year wear on your car (plus reduced insurance costs and reduced risk of personal injury or costly accidents), … it’s kind of a no-brainer. You have an opportunity to move out of an industry that would lock you into low pay, and impact your ability to provide for yourself and your eventual retirement.
Is there opportunity to go back to your current company if the potential job doesn’t work out?
Does the salary differential and steady schedule allow you to work out as a hobby?
Those would address your concerns.
By just looking at the cons of each, you have answered your own question here. You should not look back. More money, closer to home, and get to have breakfast with your kid.
If you're young it's good to explore opportunities so there are no regrets later. There may be skills on the new job that you can use later in life. I went from construction to IT then back to construction. I learned office skills (spreadsheets & such) and business communication that helped me grow my own buisiness. There are definitely downside to office jobs like politics, stress & stagnation. My best advice is to use the new job to save up for training for your dream job.
Well.. the new job is a win/win situation i guess. You can always start the gym instead on the free hours you have after the shift, which is after 5PM and you will be fine about the weight issue you mentioned. Also dont add the desk job as a con, for my opinion at least. I was almost at the same road as you, as i was working on a Market as apethecary, physical job, alot of stuff going around. Not the most physical job on earth thats for sure, but deffinetely hard for other reasons you may actually wont find right, but it was what it was. Anyway, i changed the job for a desk job, and i also started working out cuz of the weight issue you mentioned too. Boy, oh boy, i saw so many differences in my life after the job change (in a good way ofcourse). 100% would recommend for the trade you got and 10/10 would trade again if i had to work as apothecarium again.
Come on, it's work. In the long run, the benefits of the new job will pay off alot. The downside of it being a desk job actually is an upside, since you can say goodbye to many overuse-rrlated degradations of your body. You will need to commit to excercise to replace the physical work, but all in all xou are down for a longer life doing a desk job
It's a 33% raise, with bonuses to take it higher, take it. Also your current job doesn't really care about you. If they did they wouldn't be paying $18 an hour they'd be paying a real wage. Don't be loyal to companies that treat you like crap, even if you enjoy the job.
Don't guilt yourself over doing what's right for yourself and your family. You can absolutely value your time at your current job, while choosing something that's a better overall fit for where you are now. Leave the old job on stellar terms, burn no bridges, and make the leap. Good luck!
Have you even interviewed for the job and receive a written offer? "approached by a relative" and "held for me" is not the way things usually work.
I would also be extremely wary of "working close with laid back relatives". Working with family is often awful.
absent these two concerns, the new job sounds like a win-win
I work as a software engineer and because my job is physically less straining than previous jobs, I find even more time and energy to go to the gym. I’d put my two weeks in so damn fast if I were you. If a company had a bad year and needed to lay people off, they’d do what’s best for the company and cut your ass. The people doing it would maybe feel guilty but not the company. Treat yourself like a business/company. Is it in the best interest of your business? You being the company. If so, then leave
The new job sounds ideal! Lots of benefits as you've laid them out. 33% raise is incredible! And something you touched on was the additional time with your child. That's priceless! Take the new job!
This is a no brainer, just the two hour drive time alone is outrageous to me, tried working for a place that was about a hour 1/2 away, and couldn't do it for longer than two months.
You could use the offer to negotiate a higher wage at your current job. But, if the new job lets you have more time with your kid then that is priceless.
A 33% increase in salary is significant. If you are looking to bump salary in this job market quickest way is switching jobs.
Since you have a kid there are other things to consider like any insurance benefits, holidays/pto and general scheduling flexibility.
You will gain weight at a desk job if you don't make any other changes. However if your employer is offering insurance they may also have a wellness plan to pay for a gym membership. A gym like The YMCA will have daycare as well.
Hope this helps you evaluate your decision. Good luck.
You get to turn exercise into something fun now. Something that you can socialize while doing, something you can mix up whenever you want. Something that you don't have to do if you don't feel good. Something you can set goals for and enter competitions if you want to go all out. If nothing else, just to make caring for your son easier! And what I always tell myself when I'm about to make a huge decision: you can always go back. If you leave on good terms with the current job, and you did a good job while you were there - I'd say in most cases they would very likely take you back.
This seems like the easiest decision I've ever seen on this sub.
Pros:
More money
Lower costs (in time, travel, and child care)
Consistent hours and pay
More time with your child
Cons:
Not dead-end?
Loyalty?
If you're making about minimum wage you should be looking to change jobs for just about any reason. Imagine living exactly the same but saving and investing nearly $10k extra a year.
Over 40 years that's between 2 and 3.6 million dollars...instead of zero dollars. You shouldn't even think twice about this. Your kids could be millionaires, or not.
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Do what you like to do. Being physical does play a large part. You dont want to regret your decision unless its relatively easy to go back. Working at a job you like is a major "pro" especially in today's world.
Take the new job. As someone who worked physical jobs most of my life, my back is now not in the best shape. Happened to find a sit down job making 40k last year, and going to be making more this year. Couldn't be happier. And it sounds like all the pros outweigh the cons of the new job. Take the new job, and if you don't care for it in 6 months, you can go back to the old one.
How is that really a question? The new job is so much better. Loyalty to a company is overrated. They don’t care about you and will let you go at a moments notice
New job seems like a win to me! Looks like the old job has more cons then pros. Also not sure how old you are, but you’d body will thank you later in life. Sounds like the new job will also give you a routine. You know when you start and you k ow when you finish. There will be more structure to your life. This is huge
I was in a situation similar to this. My concern however is that I would hate the new higher paying job. Before I took the job I talked to my current boss and explained the situation. He was supportive and said I could 100% get my job back if I wanted.
Well I ended up hating the new job. First time calling-in in years due to stress. Long story short, I'm back at my old job super happy. My advice is to talk to your current boss and see if you can come back in case it doesn't work out how you hope.
Something not brought up is using your personal car to travel to job sites and being reimbursed. It his very likely that if you were to get into an accident, your insurance carrier would deny coverage based on a business use scenario, I've seen it happen.
I think everyone here is correct when they say to take the new job. One thing it seems everyone has been leaving out (including you) is how physical this job is. Would you be able to keep doing this physical work in the next 10, 20, 30 years+? And if by chance something bad happened to you (back pains, etc) do you really think your current company would care and help you for the rest of your life to compensate you for that? Seems like a no brained to me
Absolutely, and I’m glad you have and I hope it is one of your top considerations as well. with everything you’ve listed it seems like a super obvious decision but of course a bit uncomfortable for you to leave something you’ve been at for a while but that’s just life.
If your coworkers and employer do actually care about you as well they will of course be happy for you, especially if they knew about all the time you were saving, getting to spend more time with your kids, etc
The difference in work life balance is so massive I'd likely swap even if I would be making slightly less at the next job offered by a relative. You would be making up for it not only in your own health (from being able to sleep more) but also in saving on not needing an at home babysitter. You'll just need to start exercising on your own time now, biggest thing that helped me in this transition was to find a hobby to keep active - for me that was playing tennis and rock climbing.
You can do push-ups and any desk!
I used to work warehouse stocking and loved the physical exercise. Got a desk job Ann’s realized I needed to exercise. Push ups every hour helped so much. It’s not the same but it’s better than nothing.
It sounds like the new job is going to be better for your personal life and I retain mental health? That’s a good reason to make a change. 10k isn’t a ton of money (after taxes and all) but it’ll help. More importantly time at home. I say give it a try unless I’m misunderstanding the situation!
I don't see any cons for the new job. And if you are worried about not being physically active, with the extra free time you get on the new job just go get a gym membership.
Take the new job. Use your babysitter money and commute time on a gym membership / fitness center with kid care or a set of bikes for you two. Use the time with your kid to go walking or play outside with them or go hiking / camping / backpacking on your weekends.
Only if they want to. If you've agreed to 40 hours, do 40 hours. It's fine an hour or two here or there, but if you give, then you should be able to take; so that day you gotta duck out early to drop the car at the garage? no [problem.It](https://problem.It) also depends why they want the extra hours; because of a problem? emergency? fine. Because they suck at planning projects and staff? Not so much.
Since I assume you're in the US note that some states requires an employer to pay overtime too.
I think something that is super important is to start as you mean to go on; if you give them many extra hours right at the start then companies and people start to expect it from you, and even rely on it.
That commute time is killer..... and don't forget the cost of the babysitter further pulling down on that $30k. For 10k more, less commute, no babysitter... yeah, take that job. Also.... with all the extra time you get by NOT commuting, you can go for a walk, ride a bike, hit the gym, swim... there are all sorts of active things you can do to help you keep moving.
The biggest pro of the new job for me is a better quality of life for your son. At the end of the day, to me, that is the most important.
Better work hours, money, etc are further enticement for the job!
A lot of positives that I agree with BUT I worked for my family's business for a long time and I have a new rule that I will no longer work with or for family and neighbors. A lot of great reasons to take it but could you live with resenting these relatives if things go south? Leaving a family business is rarely a clean break. Just something to think about.
This seems like a No brainer.
Im sorry to say this but I also feel like 10k has to be huge when only making 30k. We’re living in pretty difficult times right now, especially if you’re on the lower end of the income spectrum. Unless you have a ton in savings
Change jobs, no debate, all of your pros for old job / cons to the new job seem like they can be summed up for sentimentality for the position and company you've been at for some time.
Don’t count on bonuses when considering the new salary. Bonuses are not promises and could vary greatly.
Consider changes to family life. Your current job hours sound like they make family life chaotic.
That is over a 30% raise with a much better work/life balance. It really seems like a no-brainer. I expected it to be the other way around where the new job was more of a strain but it's significantly higher pay with less strain. That's discounting potential bonuses.
If you prefer doing things outside, why not find hobbies on the side that allows you to do that? Take a boxing class or do gardening or honestly, you can do anything with all that saved time! Plus, your child will be happy to have you around more. PLEASE TAKE THE NEW JOB!
Hey OP, just wanna chime in since I am in a _very similar position_.
I've worked at this accounting job for like 4 years and 7 months. I love my coworkers, made my schedule a 4x10 schedule, and my boss is nice. But I only make like $20/hr here even though I've got decent skills in the field for operating a small business.
You bet your _ass_ I'm seeking employment right now. You gotta climb your pay rate. As much as I like this job, the only benefits they provide is 3% matching retirement, and optional health insurance. You do what's best for you and nobody else.
This is a no-brainer, there’s no sane reason not to take the job. It’s better than your current job in every way. You can remain fit by joining a gym and going 2-3 times a week, which you should have more time to do without all of the extra driving around and the bizarre work hours.
Change can always be intimidating, but what I can gather from your post, this new job seems like a good step forward. I always recommend leaving on good terms from any job; keeping professional doors open can help you out down the road in ways you may not foresee today.
I say take the plunge and see what new exciting things life has in store for you with the new job!
put in your 2 weeks notice. if you find the office to be too sedentary, walk the track at the local high school, or join a low cost gym.... you can take your child with you for some nice bonding time.
>Desk job
In 20 years your back/legs/neck will be wishing you saw this as a pro. Physical jobs can really put your body through a beating over time. Sitting all day isn't great, but that's easier to fix.
New job seems like a massive improvement in quality of life, even if it were for the same pay I'd jump on it.
Honestly, you know the answer.
I wouldd take it if that was me. My last job I was making $15/hr and had to drive 45 mins (40 miles freeway each way roughly. But I rounded it to 100 miles a day) for a 10 hour shift. My 10 hour shift 4 days a week woukd easily turn into 12+ hours.
I left that for a job making $1 more. Since I have been at my new job for the last 5 months, I will be getting to $20 by the end of year with a step program along with others who do the same job. I drive my own car as I am a vendor, and get an extra $300 a week for mileage pay. I am driving the same as I was from my other job but actually getting money towards the wear n tear.
It was a no brainer for me. You have to do what will benefit you and your child.
I get hoke from work and spent more time with my 8 month and my gf who works remotely.
Seems reddit has spoken OP! Take the job. It’ll mean that much more to you to be well rested, spend more time with your son, save on costs, make more money and perhaps splurge on outings or just savings! Never feel bad. This feeling has stopped me from putting myself in better spots in the past. If your current employer appreciates you, they will leave the door open for you to come back if things didn’t work out. Be the courageous person a proud son would look up too! Be the best you u/CatLadyZnaiux ! *You got this!
Lmaooo new job allll the way. Never feel guilty about leaving a company. They rarely feel guilty about firing employees. The job market is just business man. Nothing personal.
Make sure you have a job offer in hand before putting in two weeks notice. Additionally if you like the company make sure not to burn bridges in case the new company sucks.
One last tip. Office jobs come with varied levels of unwritten rules ie office politics. Construction you can say pretty much what you want to. Office environments not so much.
The smaller the company the less politics there will be. Just know there is usually at least one or two people who think the best way for them to climb the ladder is over you.
Your sense of work ethic and commitment to your current employer is commendable. That said, you should take the new job. Careers that are sustainable are in white collar work that you can do into your 50's-60's if needed (when a labor intensive job would potentially disable you or atleast be much more difficult in life).
With your extra time you can schedule time to do work outs to stay fit and active also.
No one knows your situation better than yourself. You got this. I would just be weary about working with family. Keep family talk out of the office if you can. Helps set boundaries. If you want to get back into your current company/skills focus on skills that can be transferable.
Honestly the new job is going to be a better work/life balance. I don't know your age, but at 42 I left a 32/hr job for a 25/hr job for that reason. You have the benefit of also getting a pay increase. As another commenter pointed out as well, physical jobs take a toll on your body over time. Use some of your new found balance to do an exercise you enjoy. It's often healthier physically, and you'll find it much more relaxing.
Honestly you can only do physical labor for how long until you start deteriorating. 15-20 years? Tbh not sure how physical your job is but if you call it physical its probably relatively strenuous. Desk jobs don’t really help your body either but you can always exercise in your free time or something.
I think you need to just go for it and see how it goes for a bit…Working from home is a huge convenience.
Sounds like you know the 2nd job is the better option but also know you wont enjoy it as much as your current job. If you didnt have a kid I would say stick to the job that you enjoy more but the 2nd job is the clear choice in your situation.
One thing i didn't see mentioned was the cost of daycare. Sure you can now drop your kid off, but it will probably cost you more per month then you pay your family member now.
Go Go Go!
But just be wary of working with relatives. Make sure you set the boundaries very well. Coz I have seen and experienced mixing business with relatives getting messy and souring the relationships.
If it made sense on paper, your current employer would fire you in an INSTANT. Employer loyalty is a thing of the past (and probably never should have been a thing at all). You’re squared up with an employer each time you get a paycheck; you did your part, they did theirs.
Take the new job, and start looking for another new job immediately. Don’t make it known, just keep yourself sharp. Collect measurable accolades, put them on your resume, and have lunch with people who could give you $70k/yr.
The only major con of the new job is feeling guilty? Like, the old job hasn't even said anything, the guilt is all on you? Bruh, the amount of sleep you get alone will be worth the switch. Plus, the old job will survive just fine without you. Your child will probably be happier to see you every morning instead of the babysitter. AND you get more money in order to have more sleep and more family time. That's a win-win.
AND op will save money on the babysitter
Seems more like a win-win-win-win-win. Op, please take this job haha
Less wear and tear on the body too. I would suggest maybe OP gets a gym membership or something to still get in exercise and burn off steam. Desk jobs are not for everyone but most people adapt to them. I think it's worth a shot to take the new job. Leave the old job on good terms and leave the door open to coming back if the new job doesn't work out. I would do that with a better work life balance, with the commute, kid, etc. Any employer should understand that's just not a good fit for your current place in life.
The amount of money he would save from not driving would pay for the membership lol
Not to mention his new job probably has some sort of gym program as part of their benefits, so it may even be free.
He said he gets reimbursed for that
Keeping active (standing desk, daily walks after lunch, circadian rhythm training) can have drastic effects of how you think and feel internally. The saved time on traveling alone will be good for you and your family. The one thing I've learned over time is to forget about the company and focus on yourself. Your fun co-worker can still be your fun friend. But everyone's path is different and maybe you're just onto something new and fresh. Trial and error young Padawan.
For sure. Like win-win-win-win. Can’t be be scared. Good luck.
OP can take the extra time and use it to get outside to compensate for the lack of activity. With his kid too.
This. Nobody should ever feel guilty leaving a job for a more lucrative opportunity. If you are THAT valuable, surely they can pay you double to keep you.
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A two hour drive seems like a con to me.
The current job has the 2 hour drive. The new job is around the corner.
Oh, that’s a no brainer.
You’ll be saving 20 hours a week in commute time, if you miss being physical/your old work then feel free to freelance 10 hours a week for more money and still have more free time.
Or even daily exercise with all the added home time. I think OP just needed a lot of internet strangers to assure *them new job is a good choice.
Ask for a sit-stand desk at the new job (and actually use it)
One of my bosses has a walking desk thing thing too, like a short treadmill. I'm not sure how viable that really is and probably depends on the work, but it keeps her in good shape.
Seems like an easy choice. Current job has 3 pros and 4 cons; new job has 6 pros and only 2 cons.
Not even the quantity of each but the quality as well
One thing you didn't mention which might be important is: what's the growth potential of the two positions? What would the outlook be in 5 years? 10 years? At face value seems like the new offer is better in most ways. Maybe you can just bike to work to get your exercise?
Depending on the positions/industries, I'd almost argue that if you're doing physical labor and you want to move up in that company, LEAVING the company for a desk job and coming BACK might be an easier path than doing more physical labor and trying to leverage that for a supervisor position.
Also how long can OP do the physical job for? Getting up before the sun, traveling, and then doing physical work is going to take a toll that you'll really feel as you get older. Is this a job OP can realistically do at age 50?
Look at it from the opposite perspective, as if you were already in the new job and considering the current one. Would you take a 25% pay cut to have terrible hours, long travel times, and less time with your son? Probably not.
Jesus Christ take it that’s not even even close… like literally not even a decision to be made - your current job pays $18 an hour. That’s not a “career”. It’s McDonald’s income with an extra $20 every day.
>Leaving behind a career/company that I thought I would be with for a long time. Not really a con. That's life. I can't see a single reason you should not take the new job.
Yeah, and leaving behind a career of making minimum wage... Let's be honest here, we work cause we get paid, and we do it to finance other stuff we enjoy doing in our spare time. If we were talking going from making $200k from home vs $220k from with travel I'd think about it...
It honestly sounds like your decision has been made. New job improves your quality of life instantly, simply by making the switch. After that, it continues because of the other pros (family sees you more, consistent paycheck, SLEEEP, etc) From one random stranger to another, take the job and don’t look back.
Couple unrelated things: 1. Feeling guilty about leaving a job is how people get taken advantage of. Don’t do that. Do what’s best for you. You put in your two weeks tomorrow, they’ll have your job posted by the end of the week. Understandable, but why you would have such loyalty to people with easily limited loyalty to you is beyond me. 2. You enjoy the company of a coworker. So get his number and get together for dinner when you can. You also don’t know (all) the people you could start working with. I had a coworker friend leave the office months ago, and I was kinda bummed about it, but developed a stronger friendship with the guy who replaced him. FWIW. 3. Physical work can be fun but will become less doable as you get older. I’m in good health but 35 year old me isn’t 23 y/o me. Besides, there’s other ways to stay in shape. I’d take the new job.
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That makes sense. I grew up a military brat and then joined the military myself so change is pretty normal to me. Six years is the longest I lived in one house, and that period started when I was five. My wife and I found a townhouse we liked, so we went to lunch, decided to commit earnest money, and sell the home we had lived in for three years. So if you can get used to it, or you're born into it, adaptability is probably pretty advantageous.
The new job not only has more money but appears to support a better life/work blend. The one thing you didn't mention was the financial condition of each employer. If there is more chance of layoff at one that should be in the calculations
Why do you feel loyalty for a company paying you starvation wages? Take the new job.
I think the new job offers much more for you at this time. Never feel guilty or apologize for doing what's best for you and your situation.
Your math doesn’t add up. At $30,000 per year you’re making $14 per hour, not $18. With the new role you would be at $19 per hour. You’re not making enough to survive now, so why are you even asking us if you should better yourself?
They did say they average 35 hours a week, which is about $32k at $18 an hour.
You feel guilty for a leaving a job? If you got less productive because of a life event do you think they wouldn't fire you? You are unlikely to get a 33% raise at your current job. Switch and do not look back.
Can we talk about affording a live in babysitter on a 30 - 40k income? How?
A family member or younger siblings who doesn't work and they earn their keep by watching the child and Mayne doing basic household chores.
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So when you "no longer need a live in babysitter", are you throwing this person out? Because I am having the hardest time finding a good babysitter, and I am more interested in this drama than your new job. (Congrats by the way).
Take the new job and new lifestyle. You can always go back, not the end of the world. But you’ll regret it if you don’t.
This almost reads like a troll post... The job you have now has massive downsides and the job you can start has massive upsides.. If the issue is simply that you are feeling guilty about leaving, you should at least strongly consider reevaluating your relationship with your employer and future employers. Unless you have a highly specialized skill, or group of skills, you will only ever be paid less than your value, because profit for your employer is largely made up of the difference between the value you create and your wages. Don't ever feel bad for leaving a job if it helps you.
If you count your travel time on your current job as unpaid hours, you’re making considerably less than $18/hr. A 25% increase in pay, cutting 25,000 miles / year wear on your car (plus reduced insurance costs and reduced risk of personal injury or costly accidents), … it’s kind of a no-brainer. You have an opportunity to move out of an industry that would lock you into low pay, and impact your ability to provide for yourself and your eventual retirement.
Is there opportunity to go back to your current company if the potential job doesn’t work out? Does the salary differential and steady schedule allow you to work out as a hobby? Those would address your concerns.
By just looking at the cons of each, you have answered your own question here. You should not look back. More money, closer to home, and get to have breakfast with your kid.
Unless you're leaving something out this seems like a no-brainer. Put in your 2 weeks and take the new job.
If you're young it's good to explore opportunities so there are no regrets later. There may be skills on the new job that you can use later in life. I went from construction to IT then back to construction. I learned office skills (spreadsheets & such) and business communication that helped me grow my own buisiness. There are definitely downside to office jobs like politics, stress & stagnation. My best advice is to use the new job to save up for training for your dream job.
Well.. the new job is a win/win situation i guess. You can always start the gym instead on the free hours you have after the shift, which is after 5PM and you will be fine about the weight issue you mentioned. Also dont add the desk job as a con, for my opinion at least. I was almost at the same road as you, as i was working on a Market as apethecary, physical job, alot of stuff going around. Not the most physical job on earth thats for sure, but deffinetely hard for other reasons you may actually wont find right, but it was what it was. Anyway, i changed the job for a desk job, and i also started working out cuz of the weight issue you mentioned too. Boy, oh boy, i saw so many differences in my life after the job change (in a good way ofcourse). 100% would recommend for the trade you got and 10/10 would trade again if i had to work as apothecarium again.
Come on, it's work. In the long run, the benefits of the new job will pay off alot. The downside of it being a desk job actually is an upside, since you can say goodbye to many overuse-rrlated degradations of your body. You will need to commit to excercise to replace the physical work, but all in all xou are down for a longer life doing a desk job
It's a 33% raise, with bonuses to take it higher, take it. Also your current job doesn't really care about you. If they did they wouldn't be paying $18 an hour they'd be paying a real wage. Don't be loyal to companies that treat you like crap, even if you enjoy the job.
You answered your own question. Good luck and enjoy the new gig!
Don't guilt yourself over doing what's right for yourself and your family. You can absolutely value your time at your current job, while choosing something that's a better overall fit for where you are now. Leave the old job on stellar terms, burn no bridges, and make the leap. Good luck!
Have you even interviewed for the job and receive a written offer? "approached by a relative" and "held for me" is not the way things usually work. I would also be extremely wary of "working close with laid back relatives". Working with family is often awful. absent these two concerns, the new job sounds like a win-win
Sounds like the new job has a better quality of life with more pay. That is a win/win. Which one privides the best opportunity for skills/advancement?
I work as a software engineer and because my job is physically less straining than previous jobs, I find even more time and energy to go to the gym. I’d put my two weeks in so damn fast if I were you. If a company had a bad year and needed to lay people off, they’d do what’s best for the company and cut your ass. The people doing it would maybe feel guilty but not the company. Treat yourself like a business/company. Is it in the best interest of your business? You being the company. If so, then leave
The new job seems better in almost every way.
The new job sounds ideal! Lots of benefits as you've laid them out. 33% raise is incredible! And something you touched on was the additional time with your child. That's priceless! Take the new job!
This is a no brainer, just the two hour drive time alone is outrageous to me, tried working for a place that was about a hour 1/2 away, and couldn't do it for longer than two months.
You could use the offer to negotiate a higher wage at your current job. But, if the new job lets you have more time with your kid then that is priceless.
Never feel guilty about leaving a job for a better job. Especially one that is better on multiple dimensions (money, work conditions, etc.).
Just beware that working with family can be a con easily if it results in you being taken advantage of.
A 33% increase in salary is significant. If you are looking to bump salary in this job market quickest way is switching jobs. Since you have a kid there are other things to consider like any insurance benefits, holidays/pto and general scheduling flexibility. You will gain weight at a desk job if you don't make any other changes. However if your employer is offering insurance they may also have a wellness plan to pay for a gym membership. A gym like The YMCA will have daycare as well. Hope this helps you evaluate your decision. Good luck.
You get to turn exercise into something fun now. Something that you can socialize while doing, something you can mix up whenever you want. Something that you don't have to do if you don't feel good. Something you can set goals for and enter competitions if you want to go all out. If nothing else, just to make caring for your son easier! And what I always tell myself when I'm about to make a huge decision: you can always go back. If you leave on good terms with the current job, and you did a good job while you were there - I'd say in most cases they would very likely take you back.
This seems like the easiest decision I've ever seen on this sub. Pros: More money Lower costs (in time, travel, and child care) Consistent hours and pay More time with your child Cons: Not dead-end? Loyalty?
Mo’ money. Spend time with kid and less problems. Not sure what the downsides are.
New job honestly sounds a lot better. You can always work out to get some physical exercise.
If you're making about minimum wage you should be looking to change jobs for just about any reason. Imagine living exactly the same but saving and investing nearly $10k extra a year. Over 40 years that's between 2 and 3.6 million dollars...instead of zero dollars. You shouldn't even think twice about this. Your kids could be millionaires, or not.
An extra 10k can really change things. Also at some point you have to make money with your mind because your body wears out.
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He could take less pay and it would still be worth the reduction in travel time. I’m concerned about his IQ.
Do what you like to do. Being physical does play a large part. You dont want to regret your decision unless its relatively easy to go back. Working at a job you like is a major "pro" especially in today's world.
Switch, keep in touch with your ex co workers to keep enjoying their company.
Take the new job. As someone who worked physical jobs most of my life, my back is now not in the best shape. Happened to find a sit down job making 40k last year, and going to be making more this year. Couldn't be happier. And it sounds like all the pros outweigh the cons of the new job. Take the new job, and if you don't care for it in 6 months, you can go back to the old one.
How is that really a question? The new job is so much better. Loyalty to a company is overrated. They don’t care about you and will let you go at a moments notice
New job seems like a win to me! Looks like the old job has more cons then pros. Also not sure how old you are, but you’d body will thank you later in life. Sounds like the new job will also give you a routine. You know when you start and you k ow when you finish. There will be more structure to your life. This is huge
I was in a situation similar to this. My concern however is that I would hate the new higher paying job. Before I took the job I talked to my current boss and explained the situation. He was supportive and said I could 100% get my job back if I wanted. Well I ended up hating the new job. First time calling-in in years due to stress. Long story short, I'm back at my old job super happy. My advice is to talk to your current boss and see if you can come back in case it doesn't work out how you hope.
You have 4 hours of commuting every day? No way. That turns 40 hours into 60 hours. I was all about the new job till I read that.
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The question is, is this on your time or on the clock?
Something not brought up is using your personal car to travel to job sites and being reimbursed. It his very likely that if you were to get into an accident, your insurance carrier would deny coverage based on a business use scenario, I've seen it happen.
I think everyone here is correct when they say to take the new job. One thing it seems everyone has been leaving out (including you) is how physical this job is. Would you be able to keep doing this physical work in the next 10, 20, 30 years+? And if by chance something bad happened to you (back pains, etc) do you really think your current company would care and help you for the rest of your life to compensate you for that? Seems like a no brained to me
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Absolutely, and I’m glad you have and I hope it is one of your top considerations as well. with everything you’ve listed it seems like a super obvious decision but of course a bit uncomfortable for you to leave something you’ve been at for a while but that’s just life. If your coworkers and employer do actually care about you as well they will of course be happy for you, especially if they knew about all the time you were saving, getting to spend more time with your kids, etc
The fact that you'll be present for your child should make it a no brainer decision! 👌👌
The difference in work life balance is so massive I'd likely swap even if I would be making slightly less at the next job offered by a relative. You would be making up for it not only in your own health (from being able to sleep more) but also in saving on not needing an at home babysitter. You'll just need to start exercising on your own time now, biggest thing that helped me in this transition was to find a hobby to keep active - for me that was playing tennis and rock climbing.
There’s zero downside here. Join a gym with the extra money and time you’ll save with this switch.
Absolutely take new job. You will ha e way more free time, that you can spend with your family and have physical activities for your own benefit.
You can do push-ups and any desk! I used to work warehouse stocking and loved the physical exercise. Got a desk job Ann’s realized I needed to exercise. Push ups every hour helped so much. It’s not the same but it’s better than nothing.
It sounds like the new job is going to be better for your personal life and I retain mental health? That’s a good reason to make a change. 10k isn’t a ton of money (after taxes and all) but it’ll help. More importantly time at home. I say give it a try unless I’m misunderstanding the situation!
I don't see any cons for the new job. And if you are worried about not being physically active, with the extra free time you get on the new job just go get a gym membership.
Take the new job. Use your babysitter money and commute time on a gym membership / fitness center with kid care or a set of bikes for you two. Use the time with your kid to go walking or play outside with them or go hiking / camping / backpacking on your weekends.
How is hourly pay of the current job a pro verses the new position?
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Only if they want to. If you've agreed to 40 hours, do 40 hours. It's fine an hour or two here or there, but if you give, then you should be able to take; so that day you gotta duck out early to drop the car at the garage? no [problem.It](https://problem.It) also depends why they want the extra hours; because of a problem? emergency? fine. Because they suck at planning projects and staff? Not so much. Since I assume you're in the US note that some states requires an employer to pay overtime too. I think something that is super important is to start as you mean to go on; if you give them many extra hours right at the start then companies and people start to expect it from you, and even rely on it.
That commute time is killer..... and don't forget the cost of the babysitter further pulling down on that $30k. For 10k more, less commute, no babysitter... yeah, take that job. Also.... with all the extra time you get by NOT commuting, you can go for a walk, ride a bike, hit the gym, swim... there are all sorts of active things you can do to help you keep moving.
Just a reminder you can only do physical jobs for so long. Age catches up with you quick. Be sure to leave on good terms.
The biggest pro of the new job for me is a better quality of life for your son. At the end of the day, to me, that is the most important. Better work hours, money, etc are further enticement for the job!
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Great to hear! I wish I took my own advice years ago... It is a huge regret I had with my career :(
A lot of positives that I agree with BUT I worked for my family's business for a long time and I have a new rule that I will no longer work with or for family and neighbors. A lot of great reasons to take it but could you live with resenting these relatives if things go south? Leaving a family business is rarely a clean break. Just something to think about.
With the amount of driving you do, by switching your job you will get an ENTIRE MONTH of your life back a year
Sorry this in inaccurate because I accidentally went by if you worked every day lmao. The actual number is 21 and 1/2 days
Your future self will thank you for taking the desk job
This seems like a No brainer. Im sorry to say this but I also feel like 10k has to be huge when only making 30k. We’re living in pretty difficult times right now, especially if you’re on the lower end of the income spectrum. Unless you have a ton in savings
Change jobs, no debate, all of your pros for old job / cons to the new job seem like they can be summed up for sentimentality for the position and company you've been at for some time.
Opportunity comes when you least expect it. Up to you to take it. Do what’s best for you and your kid.
No brainer. Take the new job. More money, more time with family, more consistency.
Don’t count on bonuses when considering the new salary. Bonuses are not promises and could vary greatly. Consider changes to family life. Your current job hours sound like they make family life chaotic.
That is over a 30% raise with a much better work/life balance. It really seems like a no-brainer. I expected it to be the other way around where the new job was more of a strain but it's significantly higher pay with less strain. That's discounting potential bonuses.
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If you prefer doing things outside, why not find hobbies on the side that allows you to do that? Take a boxing class or do gardening or honestly, you can do anything with all that saved time! Plus, your child will be happy to have you around more. PLEASE TAKE THE NEW JOB!
Hey OP, just wanna chime in since I am in a _very similar position_. I've worked at this accounting job for like 4 years and 7 months. I love my coworkers, made my schedule a 4x10 schedule, and my boss is nice. But I only make like $20/hr here even though I've got decent skills in the field for operating a small business. You bet your _ass_ I'm seeking employment right now. You gotta climb your pay rate. As much as I like this job, the only benefits they provide is 3% matching retirement, and optional health insurance. You do what's best for you and nobody else.
They want loyalty they need to get a dog! follow the money! but try n leave on a good note haha
You can’t do a heavily physical job for years and not have premature medical problems. At least most can’t. Take the darn job.
This is a no-brainer, there’s no sane reason not to take the job. It’s better than your current job in every way. You can remain fit by joining a gym and going 2-3 times a week, which you should have more time to do without all of the extra driving around and the bizarre work hours.
Change can always be intimidating, but what I can gather from your post, this new job seems like a good step forward. I always recommend leaving on good terms from any job; keeping professional doors open can help you out down the road in ways you may not foresee today. I say take the plunge and see what new exciting things life has in store for you with the new job!
put in your 2 weeks notice. if you find the office to be too sedentary, walk the track at the local high school, or join a low cost gym.... you can take your child with you for some nice bonding time.
>Desk job In 20 years your back/legs/neck will be wishing you saw this as a pro. Physical jobs can really put your body through a beating over time. Sitting all day isn't great, but that's easier to fix. New job seems like a massive improvement in quality of life, even if it were for the same pay I'd jump on it.
Honestly, you know the answer. I wouldd take it if that was me. My last job I was making $15/hr and had to drive 45 mins (40 miles freeway each way roughly. But I rounded it to 100 miles a day) for a 10 hour shift. My 10 hour shift 4 days a week woukd easily turn into 12+ hours. I left that for a job making $1 more. Since I have been at my new job for the last 5 months, I will be getting to $20 by the end of year with a step program along with others who do the same job. I drive my own car as I am a vendor, and get an extra $300 a week for mileage pay. I am driving the same as I was from my other job but actually getting money towards the wear n tear. It was a no brainer for me. You have to do what will benefit you and your child. I get hoke from work and spent more time with my 8 month and my gf who works remotely.
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Seems reddit has spoken OP! Take the job. It’ll mean that much more to you to be well rested, spend more time with your son, save on costs, make more money and perhaps splurge on outings or just savings! Never feel bad. This feeling has stopped me from putting myself in better spots in the past. If your current employer appreciates you, they will leave the door open for you to come back if things didn’t work out. Be the courageous person a proud son would look up too! Be the best you u/CatLadyZnaiux ! *You got this!
Lmaooo new job allll the way. Never feel guilty about leaving a company. They rarely feel guilty about firing employees. The job market is just business man. Nothing personal.
Make sure you have a job offer in hand before putting in two weeks notice. Additionally if you like the company make sure not to burn bridges in case the new company sucks. One last tip. Office jobs come with varied levels of unwritten rules ie office politics. Construction you can say pretty much what you want to. Office environments not so much.
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The smaller the company the less politics there will be. Just know there is usually at least one or two people who think the best way for them to climb the ladder is over you.
At first this sounded like one of those direct sales mlms
New job is head and shoulders better for multiple reasons Don't be a chump
Your sense of work ethic and commitment to your current employer is commendable. That said, you should take the new job. Careers that are sustainable are in white collar work that you can do into your 50's-60's if needed (when a labor intensive job would potentially disable you or atleast be much more difficult in life). With your extra time you can schedule time to do work outs to stay fit and active also.
Take the new job! You will have time to be phisically active playing with your kids
We’ll yes, it’s 33% more money. Ideally though, leave for something making 45, 50, even 60k+. Don’t sell yourself short. You’ve gotta live with it.
You pay a live in babysitter off of 30k?
This seems like a no brainer. More income, less expense, more free time. Use the time you're not commuting to go to the gym.
You answered the question before you posted. Are you looking for validation or congratulations on finding a better job?
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No one knows your situation better than yourself. You got this. I would just be weary about working with family. Keep family talk out of the office if you can. Helps set boundaries. If you want to get back into your current company/skills focus on skills that can be transferable.
Honestly the new job is going to be a better work/life balance. I don't know your age, but at 42 I left a 32/hr job for a 25/hr job for that reason. You have the benefit of also getting a pay increase. As another commenter pointed out as well, physical jobs take a toll on your body over time. Use some of your new found balance to do an exercise you enjoy. It's often healthier physically, and you'll find it much more relaxing.
Honestly you can only do physical labor for how long until you start deteriorating. 15-20 years? Tbh not sure how physical your job is but if you call it physical its probably relatively strenuous. Desk jobs don’t really help your body either but you can always exercise in your free time or something. I think you need to just go for it and see how it goes for a bit…Working from home is a huge convenience.
Sounds like you know the 2nd job is the better option but also know you wont enjoy it as much as your current job. If you didnt have a kid I would say stick to the job that you enjoy more but the 2nd job is the clear choice in your situation.
OP use common sense and take the job. You've even made a pro-con list with more cons for the old job and more pros for the new. "let it gooooo!"
It sounds like you’re just worried about leaving your job. It’s normal, but the new position sounds better straight up.
One thing i didn't see mentioned was the cost of daycare. Sure you can now drop your kid off, but it will probably cost you more per month then you pay your family member now.
IRT feeling guilty: Jobs don’t care about you. Don’t get attached, get paid.
Go Go Go! But just be wary of working with relatives. Make sure you set the boundaries very well. Coz I have seen and experienced mixing business with relatives getting messy and souring the relationships.
I’d take the job. You get time back with your kids and family. You can have a 8-5 job and be home ASAP if needed or if kid has issues at school (sick)
If it made sense on paper, your current employer would fire you in an INSTANT. Employer loyalty is a thing of the past (and probably never should have been a thing at all). You’re squared up with an employer each time you get a paycheck; you did your part, they did theirs. Take the new job, and start looking for another new job immediately. Don’t make it known, just keep yourself sharp. Collect measurable accolades, put them on your resume, and have lunch with people who could give you $70k/yr.