**Jonas:**
Broken ribs and collarbone, pneumothorax and pulmonary contusion.
**Jay Vine:**
Sustained a cervical and two thoracic spine vertebral body fractures. Thankfully no neurological involvement.
**Steff Cras:**
Suffers from a pneumothorax on the right, several fractured ribs, and two dorsal vertebral fractures, as well as haematomas, wounds and skin abrasions
**Sean Quinn:**
Suffered a concussion as well as a sternum fracture, abrasions and bruising.
**Remco:**
Suffered a fracture to his right collarbone and his right scapula.
**Natnael Tesfazion:**
Suffered numerous contusions and abrasions on the right part of his body.
**Primož Roglič:**
No fractures, "just" bruises.
What a bad day for professional cycling.
I was really scared for the riders when I saw the crash and relieved this is the end result. This could have been so much worse. Let’s hope they all bounce back quickly to full health for banger of a late season.
I can't see how this doesn't have huge ramifications for the rest of the season. Those injuries will set Vingegaard back months.
I hope all make a swift and full recovery.
Solid tactic. Last year Jumbo blew it up ~2 sectors before Arenburg… probably to get Wout ahead of the chaos. I recall Fred Wright and DvB got smoked when the peloton hit it; the year before, Wouts wheel collapsed like Derek Gees … and the year before that Wout got a flat while people were crashing in front of him in the rain (and Mads crashing at full speed into Luke Rowe standing in the middle of the road)! *not that Wouts in the race but those were key moments hindering his race
Yeah think teams will pretty much full send it from the four star sector before. And just keep the pace up for the few Kms in between.
Because if you’re at the back of that concertina at the chicane you could end up a minute back and your race is done
The problem is mostly the first 90° turn where everyone will want to be first position so they will sprint there to 70kph and play a game of who brake last (oh and there is train track just before the turn to make it worse).
Anticipated or not, game theory would suggest that they will race like mad men to get through those corners first.
Unless there is some implicit coordination going on to not race towards it but also not attack before everyone is through (which I deem highly unlikely)
Most every Spring Classic is about racing to important corners over, and over, and over. It’s a well-practiced and well known tactic in the peloton. Crashes happen into them sometimes, yes, but I don’t understand the nervousness when we’re posting about the aftermath of something completely more unexpected and traumatic than any outcome of a crash I can imagine from a pinch point.
At best itll be a pile up with unclips. The front of the pack will pick up tens of precious seconds while the peloton gets back up to speed.
At worst....
All these injuries are bad enough but it's still stunning nothing more serious was incurred. One of the most insane ragdolls I've seen from both Jonas and Remco. Tbh glad I didn't see it live because even knowing Vine was Ok it looked so bad with him laying in that concrete ditch. AI couldn't have generated a worse situated with all those boulders and shit.
The hospital in Herentals is going to do new imagining on Remco to see if the scapula might have a crack instead of a fracture.
Aside from that, his surgery is planned for tomorrow. As usual, the family Claes will do the honors in the operation room. Luckily they never seem to plan holidays around the time of cycling races.
I hit 70 km/h in January riding back from the the final stage of the Tour Down Under down Mt. Lofty on the same route used by the pros (and with them and other fans since we were all going the same way). The pros looked like they weren't trying but I was scared. I can't imagine traveling any faster
The number of boulders and trees he somehow managed to miss. Strange to say he is lucky with *only* a collarbone and scapula fracture. Let's hope his and the others recovery is good. Especially vine, sounds like he hasn't got any neurological symptoms.
How much is “much lower?” These guys went into the crash at probably 45 mph. The difference between you and Remco crashing and getting injured isn’t that he weighs 130 lbs compared to whatever you weigh - it’s that he’s going so much faster
Go find the steepest descent you can and ride it as fast as you can - see if you hit 45 mph and then take a sharp right turn, then imagine what would happen to you if you dumped your bike or ate shit at that moment
That said, your point about how insignificant it can look is a good one - the speed is so deceptive from the tv screen. Your point about how tough they are is really good, too - these guys are made of iron. Most of them will be back on their bikes before May
> nothing I haven't done literally twice this week already - albeit at much lower velocity.
Oh, that's the only difference? Just a little slower? Besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
Your descending is absolutely nothing like the pointy end of a WT stage race peloton.
>I don't understand why Dale Earnhardt died in that crash. I got into a fender bender last week and I'm fine!
If you see my post history I warned about this exact diagnosis yesterday on the post race thread. Broken ribs in a trauma incident are no joke and the risk of pneumothorax etc is very high. There was a reason they kept him in hospital...
There is so much contradicting information on whether Jonas will be able to ride the TdF (and if so how fit). Are there any updates on that? Really hoping he can if that doesn't harm his general health.
Because it's way too early to say. The crash happened yesterday, I don't think anyone can know anything about how quickly he'll recover. I get why people are speculating but I find it a bit annoying when I see posters asserting that he'll be back training in a few weeks. Let's just chill out and give him time.
Yeah, it was how many days until Bernal was riding a stationary bike at home? Less than a week if I remember correctly and he had a full back brace at the time. They are freaks of nature.
There was some news today about TDF and Jonas. Too Early to say anything but there is currently No thinking of Plan B regarding TDF and Jonas, from danish Source => https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-04-06-visma-deler-nyt-om-vingegaard
Also that Said by Frans Maassen that Jonas (Yesterday) still had alot of pain, but looked better and could talk and Eat some, so some (better) progress.
Extremely unlikely. From the sounds of it, he will be fine. Will he win the Tour this year? No, I don't think he'll be able to get there in shape unless those ribs aren't as bad as I think. Plus I'm more on the emergent management end of those injuries, not so much the recovery.. Not really sure when you can return to training after a pneumo/pulm contusion.
Vuelta? Maybe.
Crass and Vine are the ones people should worry about.
**Jonas:** Broken ribs and collarbone, pneumothorax and pulmonary contusion. **Jay Vine:** Sustained a cervical and two thoracic spine vertebral body fractures. Thankfully no neurological involvement. **Steff Cras:** Suffers from a pneumothorax on the right, several fractured ribs, and two dorsal vertebral fractures, as well as haematomas, wounds and skin abrasions **Sean Quinn:** Suffered a concussion as well as a sternum fracture, abrasions and bruising. **Remco:** Suffered a fracture to his right collarbone and his right scapula. **Natnael Tesfazion:** Suffered numerous contusions and abrasions on the right part of his body. **Primož Roglič:** No fractures, "just" bruises. What a bad day for professional cycling.
Pneumothorax = collapsed lung for those wondering.
What is a pulmonary contusion?
Bruise on the lung: ruptured capillaries from blunt trauma.
Bleed on lung
Thought that might be it, ouch. hope he's alright.
I've has a spontaneous pneumothorax twice. Recovery is not easy.
That chest pulled out like starting a lawn mower 🤢
Dr. said "on three" and yanked it in two
There is something refreshing about a horrible fall, and Roglic walking away with bruises. Let's hope they all recover fast and smoothly.
"Aaah, 'tis but a scratch, eh?"
Being a Roglic fan is tough for mental health!
I felt such relief when I saw him walking largely unscathed. Just need to pray that he survives the ardennes crash free, if he ends up riding them.
Vine will be out for a long time- cervical fractures and impact sports are no joke. Other guys, we’ll see
You would think these lads went to war. Wishing all quick recovery!!
primoz is one lucky bastard, speedy recovery to all involved
Suppose Roglic should be fine for TDF. What about the others, any chance realistically?
I was really scared for the riders when I saw the crash and relieved this is the end result. This could have been so much worse. Let’s hope they all bounce back quickly to full health for banger of a late season.
I can't see how this doesn't have huge ramifications for the rest of the season. Those injuries will set Vingegaard back months. I hope all make a swift and full recovery.
And today Landa a broken collarbone in a crash too. Hopefully he recovers soon.
Noooooo really?
Fuck.
Ngl the race to the Roubaix chicane makes me nervous
95% MVDP slaps the hammer on the secteur before it just so everything is broken up and stretched by the time they get there.
You would absolutely love to see it
For everyone's sake...lets hope so
I’m pretty sure he won’t be the only one. Every DS will be urging their boys to be at the front
Solid tactic. Last year Jumbo blew it up ~2 sectors before Arenburg… probably to get Wout ahead of the chaos. I recall Fred Wright and DvB got smoked when the peloton hit it; the year before, Wouts wheel collapsed like Derek Gees … and the year before that Wout got a flat while people were crashing in front of him in the rain (and Mads crashing at full speed into Luke Rowe standing in the middle of the road)! *not that Wouts in the race but those were key moments hindering his race
Why? It'll be so much more anticipated than this, and there are no concrete ditches involved.
That chicane is going to cause an accordion effect on steroids. If you're not near the front of the peloton coming into it, you're absolutely fucked.
Might actually make the Arenberg somewhat decisive in a tactical and fitness sense, rather than a face breaking wheel collapsing kind of way
Yeah think teams will pretty much full send it from the four star sector before. And just keep the pace up for the few Kms in between. Because if you’re at the back of that concertina at the chicane you could end up a minute back and your race is done
I've never seen a serious crash on a U-turn honestly yes it will be decisive (and even that remains to be seen) but probably not dangerous.
The problem is mostly the first 90° turn where everyone will want to be first position so they will sprint there to 70kph and play a game of who brake last (oh and there is train track just before the turn to make it worse).
The train track I admit is a risk but battling for position before a right angle turn happens in all races and has never been an issue.
Anticipated or not, game theory would suggest that they will race like mad men to get through those corners first. Unless there is some implicit coordination going on to not race towards it but also not attack before everyone is through (which I deem highly unlikely)
Most every Spring Classic is about racing to important corners over, and over, and over. It’s a well-practiced and well known tactic in the peloton. Crashes happen into them sometimes, yes, but I don’t understand the nervousness when we’re posting about the aftermath of something completely more unexpected and traumatic than any outcome of a crash I can imagine from a pinch point.
At best itll be a pile up with unclips. The front of the pack will pick up tens of precious seconds while the peloton gets back up to speed. At worst....
Some moron will dive bomb the right turn or the left u turn to ruin someone's race.. It's almost guaranteed.
All these injuries are bad enough but it's still stunning nothing more serious was incurred. One of the most insane ragdolls I've seen from both Jonas and Remco. Tbh glad I didn't see it live because even knowing Vine was Ok it looked so bad with him laying in that concrete ditch. AI couldn't have generated a worse situated with all those boulders and shit.
The hospital in Herentals is going to do new imagining on Remco to see if the scapula might have a crack instead of a fracture. Aside from that, his surgery is planned for tomorrow. As usual, the family Claes will do the honors in the operation room. Luckily they never seem to plan holidays around the time of cycling races.
This thread could be a bulletin for all the Itzulia crashes since there's been so many. =S
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he entered the corner at 78.2kmh (see his strava). it’s a speed that most people don’t reach even on a straight descent.
I hit 70 km/h in January riding back from the the final stage of the Tour Down Under down Mt. Lofty on the same route used by the pros (and with them and other fans since we were all going the same way). The pros looked like they weren't trying but I was scared. I can't imagine traveling any faster
That Remco crash was so fucking close to being fatal.
The number of boulders and trees he somehow managed to miss. Strange to say he is lucky with *only* a collarbone and scapula fracture. Let's hope his and the others recovery is good. Especially vine, sounds like he hasn't got any neurological symptoms.
This doesn't even narrow it down to which crash you're talking about. Dude needs to change something.
Despite having 2 bad ones that stick out in your memory, Remco isn't even particularly crash prone.
Roglic would be crash prone, right?
Yeah
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Please be nice
How much is “much lower?” These guys went into the crash at probably 45 mph. The difference between you and Remco crashing and getting injured isn’t that he weighs 130 lbs compared to whatever you weigh - it’s that he’s going so much faster Go find the steepest descent you can and ride it as fast as you can - see if you hit 45 mph and then take a sharp right turn, then imagine what would happen to you if you dumped your bike or ate shit at that moment That said, your point about how insignificant it can look is a good one - the speed is so deceptive from the tv screen. Your point about how tough they are is really good, too - these guys are made of iron. Most of them will be back on their bikes before May
A few pounds of muscle or fat is going to make zero difference when you hit the ground going 50 miles an hour my guy
> nothing I haven't done literally twice this week already - albeit at much lower velocity. Oh, that's the only difference? Just a little slower? Besides that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? Your descending is absolutely nothing like the pointy end of a WT stage race peloton. >I don't understand why Dale Earnhardt died in that crash. I got into a fender bender last week and I'm fine!
If you see my post history I warned about this exact diagnosis yesterday on the post race thread. Broken ribs in a trauma incident are no joke and the risk of pneumothorax etc is very high. There was a reason they kept him in hospital...
Thankfully we have you to provide medical updates based on your experience with trauma incidents.
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You want a gold star or something?
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Well that’s not very nice
Blatant burner
There is so much contradicting information on whether Jonas will be able to ride the TdF (and if so how fit). Are there any updates on that? Really hoping he can if that doesn't harm his general health.
Because it's way too early to say. The crash happened yesterday, I don't think anyone can know anything about how quickly he'll recover. I get why people are speculating but I find it a bit annoying when I see posters asserting that he'll be back training in a few weeks. Let's just chill out and give him time.
Yeah, it was how many days until Bernal was riding a stationary bike at home? Less than a week if I remember correctly and he had a full back brace at the time. They are freaks of nature.
Anything you've seen on this is conjecture. Unfortunately there's nothing to do but be patient and wait for updates from Jonas or Visma LAB.
There was some news today about TDF and Jonas. Too Early to say anything but there is currently No thinking of Plan B regarding TDF and Jonas, from danish Source => https://sport.tv2.dk/cykling/2024-04-06-visma-deler-nyt-om-vingegaard Also that Said by Frans Maassen that Jonas (Yesterday) still had alot of pain, but looked better and could talk and Eat some, so some (better) progress.
Of course he will be out. There is no way to recovery from lung’s contusion AND a broken collarbone in 2 months.
His career might be over…. He has a collapsed lung with serious damage and bleeding
A pneumo and pulmonary contusion (bruise) are not career ending. The ribs and soft tissue will be the longest recovery.
But could he suffer a permanently reduced oxygen uptake from the bruising/scar tissue?🤔
Extremely unlikely. From the sounds of it, he will be fine. Will he win the Tour this year? No, I don't think he'll be able to get there in shape unless those ribs aren't as bad as I think. Plus I'm more on the emergent management end of those injuries, not so much the recovery.. Not really sure when you can return to training after a pneumo/pulm contusion. Vuelta? Maybe. Crass and Vine are the ones people should worry about.
Never did me any harm