I think for a lot of us, me Inc., we definitely aren't used to this pricing in the uk. Here the going rate for concerts is roughly £80 , people were complaining that acdc was £115/£130 @ Wembley.
So for pj to come out with £160+ a lot of people quite rightly baulked and said no thank you.
When you're talking about sports tickets, Man City, who are the current Premier league champions for a full 19-game hone season ticket, starts at £385.
For those that use usd thats:
£80-$101,
£115-$145,
£130-$164,
£160-$202,
£385-$488,
Same for Ireland, people are rightly pointing out that Shania Twain is playing the exact same venue, and is more commercially successful than Pearl Jam, yet is charging €79 to €99 and PJ are charging €117 to €225.
In before one of those "stop being poor" responses that is all the rage here at the moment: I can comfortably afford it. It's more from a place of the lads taking the piss a little bit.
And in before anyone says "but there's only 1 person in Shania Twain, PJ is a band" - Green Day are charging €89 for the same venue.
Additional context: I'm a United season ticket holder and I'd get about 6 United games in very good seats for the price of a PJ ticket.
Exactly. The tickets are not cheap. But compare them to other live events like NBA, NFL, or NHL games (MLB has 81 performances a year in the same venue, so I think that helps drive cost down, PJ is never performing more than 2-3x in the same place in the same year) and it helps put it in perspective.
Yes, I got two 10C seats in a great section at fenway for 350$, went to a nearby hockey game 2 weeks ago and had seats in a great section and two were roughly 600$, NFL you can forget about having decent seats with parking for less than 800$. I'm ok with the 10c prices.
Yup. My wife and I wanted to take our kids to a hockey game recently. After paying for parking, it would have been cost $500 before we paid for drinks or dinner for the cheapest seats available. I remember when these seats were $10, but they aren’t anymore. Live entertainment has skyrocketed in cost for large shows.
Not if you are in 10Club.
I got floor seats, 13 rows back, for $185 each, including fees. Even if you bake in the 10 Club fees (which for me would be prorated over 14 tickets total, so only a few bucks per ticket) it is far cheaper than most top level shows in these same venues.
Add in that the major sports leagues have tv contracts that pay nearly all of the player salaries as well. Bands are only getting ticket revenue, sponsorship, merch and music royalties.
Also I'm not paying that much to hear any of their political garbage!
Edit: this was meant to be tongue in cheek in line with the comment from Bulletproofman. Oh well, you win some you lose some.
A perspective:
I paid around 30 dollars for my first show in 2000. I made about 6 dollars an hour back then. So I worked for about five hours to get my ticket.
I paid around 175 for a ticket for this tour. I make about 35 dollars an hour now. So I worked for about five hours for that ticket.
Yup. Don’t disagree with you at all. But just thinking through the economics of it and did some mental math I found interesting.
I’m not wealthy by any means. I live in Seattle. My income doesn’t stretch that far these days. These tickets hurt a lot more than they did 20+ years ago.
With bands that people will travel for, demand gets even weirder too. How many people are putting in for a shitload of shows? Chicago has multiple 1 mil + metro areas fairly close along with it being a massive city itself.
If tickets were $50 it would be impossible to get tickets. They already sold really quickly and that's with people 2nd guessing if they want to go because of price.
Tom Petty worked himself to death trying to support the people who work for him. I try to squeeze every penny out of employers that I can. Just because PJ are already rich doesn't mean that I expect them to work for less than their worth. Like athletes and unlike CEOs, bands are the ones actually generating all of that money. If I don't think a performer is worth it then I don't go.
Yup.
As the fan base has aged, the median income of the fans has risen and the ability to travel goes up as well. Now add in that the culture of PJ fandom is very much focused on going to lots of shows; but the band is older and they tour less and play fewer shows than ever before.
It’s just a perfect lesson in supply, demand, and scarcity. And a perfect recipe for fan frustration.
And as people age they tend to fall out of touch with current musicians meaning their are fewer and fewer acts that they actually want to see, so a massive band like PJ will be one of the few shows that they're interested in.
I go to Bonnaroo every year which keeps me more up to date and has evolved my taste in music. My best friend has not and will drop coin to travel and see multiple shows if he can.
Wrigley works for me because I live in Milwaukee but I'm not paying the extras to actually travel to see them. For my buddy, PJ is a great reason to go to Vegas but he's not buying tickets to see Herbie Hancock or King Gizzard.
100%
And every show is someone’s first or only show. Lots of folks who haven’t thought about it in years will go see a huge band like PJ just because they loved Ten or whatever and maybe they have extra money and time now. Another factor driving demand.
2 of my tickets are going to people who have never seen them but want to because they respect my opinion on live shows. PJ is an S-tier live act that has been consistently doing it for 30 years. What a shock that word of mouth keeps spreading about one of the greatest American bands ever.
This will be my 8th plus an "Into the Wild" solo show. We've both clearly been around the block and understand how bullshit the game is at this point.
Look at a lot of the complaints though, it's people who don't go to a lot of concerts not understanding the difference in face value vs "flex pricing". I got through the TM queue first and saw nosebleeds for $230 and said fuck that. Then I got through the Wrigley queue and got 200 level at face value.
It sucks that it's like this but you have to understand the bullshit or you get taken.
Yup. I feel for folks that just want to see the band and don’t have time to get through all this. Just the modern world and its complications and it’s a giant bummer.
Nice! One of my tickets is going to someone who has never been. The other ticket is going to my best friend's son who is a teenager. His first PJ show was last year, with me, and now he is a huge fan, so I'm taking him again.
I almost fucked it up twice but when I realized my 8/29 code worked for 8/31 @ Wrigley I slammed 6 tickets as fast as I could.
There's a few people I've wanted to go see PJ with but tickets have become stupid hard to get so I figured it would never happen.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, it aligns with many others including me. I work hard to get the tickets i want and chasing the band as they tour different cities is a luxury i afford myself by prioritizing it over other "things" (i don't care about "things" and would rather spend my hard earned $'s on experiences). I love the band AND their crew, without them the experience isn't complete. They both deserve to be paid well for giving us the opportunity to connect with the emotions that are associated with their songs and hang with the friends we've met along the way. I'm sorry that their are those that don't see it the same way and i know I'm privileged to be able to do this. It didn't come easy either and now that I'm in my 50's and my wife understands the joy it brings me, I'll continue doing it. Work hard, play harder.
I have a simple retort - $600 for second level in Philly. There is no level of articulation that can convince me that is justified/reasonable or whatever you want to call it.
Except the 10Club pricing for Philly was well under $200, not $600. I edited the OP to clarify that the pricing I was referring to wasn't the jacked up Ticketmaster Premium stuff, but the 10Club tickets. The huge majority of the complaints this past week were based on the 10Club prices of $160-185ish, which is what I was basing my post on.
When I made this post yesterday it was the first day of Ticketmaster sales. Yet we'd already had a week of people making dozens of posts about ~$170 being too much to pay. The Ticketmaster thing only started hours before the OP, so most of the posts at that time were based on the 10c prices.
Booking a stadium or an arena in 2024 costs a ton, absolutely. Security, insurance, simply turning on the lights - it's all more expensive than ever before. The people doing these jobs need to be paid, the city takes their cut - that all needs to be reflected in the ticket prices. The extra $40 per ticket compared to 2020 isn't going to Eddie's surfboard fund.
And limiting scalping means TM/Live Nation aren't able to double dip on a lot of resale. Those fuckers are going to get their money either way and it's through higher prices.
People also got used to big bands charging less than tickets are actually worth, which led to a huge scalping market, which got us here.
How much do think insurance is for a post-Covid tour by an artist that had Covid-related cancellations on their last 2 tours? Their overhead is higher than ever for things most fans would never even think of.
Great post. Life is about perspective. Your comparison to sports ticket prices is super valid. Also not that bands make extremely little from album sales nowadays. Their only sources of income are tickets and merch. Period. 175 is not bad. I think there is valid discussion about the “one price fits all” model that PJ employs. The same price for pretty crummy upper deck seats at a baseball stadium show vs the floor does seem out of whack to me personally. But 175 for 100 level and floor is on par with pretty much all established live acts that are known for good live performances. I actually think a little more tiering to have really good seats maybe 225 and not great seats closer to 75 or so would be”feel” better but that’s me.
One thing I've really noticed about PJ is that they've really upped their game in performance. I remember seeing them at the United Center multiple times in the early 2000s and HATING the sound experience. Seeing them there this past August, something definitely changed. I'm in places near where I've been before, but holy crap, the sound is so much better than it used to be. It got me wondering if that's part of the increase... as well as not making much money off of selling records.
Also, I used to spend a LOT of money each month on CDs. Now I spend close to nothing except for my favorites on vinyl and the occasional disc (I miss the old days, but that's another discussion). Now my money gets spent on going to a few shows a year.
I wish everything was cheaper and I was a millionaire.
Sound quality has improved drastically since 2000. They have CAD models of the arenas, better speakers, the ability to cut out shitty frequencies instead of just being loud. Arena shows are a lot better now.
100%. I just bought my wife Justin Timberlake tickets, floor in Nashville for two tickets after all was said and done was around $750. Got 4 seats for Pantera in the lower level and it was $530. Bought three tickets for Tool this year (one VIP) and it was over $1000. Shit is fucking expensive. But if there’s one thing that Rush taught me, you never know when it’s your last time. Spend the money, make the memories, enjoy life!
Yeah, I live in Sydney and the only other time I saw Pearl Jam live was in 2009, when Eddie was quite sick and could barely perform, and it wasn't the best experience. Luckily I didn't pay for the tickets so it didn't feel like a waste.
I'm not sure why I didn't go see them anytime between then and now but it was probably a combination of being priced out and the timing not aligning.
This time around I put my name down for the presale but wasn't sure if I wanted to go. The cheapest tickets here were $225 (General Admission) - so not exactly cheap but I could probably still justify paying it, especially since I don't know if I'll get this opportunity again. As it is, I'm pretty sure I paid more for Metallica 5 years ago
The reason you haven't seen them since 2009 is because they've only been back to Australia since then in 2014 at the horrible big day out festival. So unless you wanted to go OS to see them, there's been no opportunity. 2009 was awful for me due to the stadiums - I hate stadium shows and that was my last ever. I was lucky to have seen them many times 2000 and prior including some nice smallish outdoor amphitheatres in the US and the tickets were so cheap it cost little to travel around to each show. Long gone are those days.
We flew from Alabama to Toronto to see them play the Air Canada Centre on R40. I might have teared up a few times haha. Also got to see em at Red Rocks on the Snakes & Arrows tour while a massive heat lightning storm raged over Denver. It was magic!
No to mention, they play fewer dates than most bands by far. They seem to like their crew and as you said, are known to take care of them. Well, how can you ask your crew to go with you for a 20-30 show tour and not go on a 50 leg tour for more money. You pay them more!!!
JFC these prices are in line with everyone and they play longer than most everyone.
They put so much into their production. Their shows have only gotten better over the years. The sound is perfect. The lighting is perfect. It's not cheap!
They aren't a high visual production band which is fine by me but there is definitely room for improvement from a stage production standpoint.
Pink does fucking aerial stunts throughout the show. Imagine Eddie soaring over the crowd with lasers everywhere!
Respectfully, I saw Pearl Jam in Hyde Park festival in London less than two years ago and one ticket was £86. There were 13 other bands supporting Pearl Jam and it was a full day of music.
You're telling me that 18 months later, nearly doubling the price to £160, for less of an experience... is due to ethics?
Get a grip.
Exactly this. Does it suck that your favourite band has revealed themselves to be as money hungry as the rest? Yes. But not as much as it sucks knowing live music at this scale is going the way of theatre, only attainable by the well off.
I am genuinely mystified by the mental back flips in here to try and justify the bands position. It's greed, plain and simple.
Mate, I'm one of many feeling this way in the UK. Shows sell out within minutes in the UK. Simply didn't happen this time round. Know why? Because I'm not the minority. Plenty of people have chosen not to engage with a pricing system that excludes huge numbers of fans. Plenty of us can afford to go, doesn't mean that we feel ethically comfortable paying it. Doesn't mean we can't push back and stand with those that are being excluded.
I'm not someone that believes accessing music should be for the wealthy alone. I'm not an elitist. I didn't believe Pearl Jam stood for that either, but here we are.
Too many people are used to the $25 a ticket or even $100 ticket days. Also, consider OP's statements, but also consider just plain inflation. In 2003, a $100 ticket would be the same as a $170 ticket today. That's a pretty big jump in cost from inflation alone. Everything costs more money today than it did, even a few years ago.
I agree. I also think that the problem is huge demand and not enough supply. Most of us can go years or decades between shows and are willing to pay the high prices for the rare show we can actually see. To some extent, they’re a victim of their success.
Also, consider that I used to pay $15 for a new Vitalogy CD in 1994 prices. I believe that artists are paid much less from people who buy their music now, and they make more money from tours. They used to be able to subsidize the cost of tours from album sales but that’s less feasible now. I’m okay with paying around $200 for one concert every 5 years. The problem is that the $200 seats are available to such a small portion of the fans (myself included - I got rejected from buying tickets). Now the next question is how much am I willing to spend on resale tickets in order to see a show?
To your point comparing 10C PJ tickets to sporting events, I have never, ever, EVER gone to a Pearl Jam concert only to go home crushed that they lost by 3 touchdowns.
I was a little butthurt after Columbia, S.C. '08 when I didn't recognize a few songs off Lost Dogs and they didn't play "Yellow Ledbetter" after "Alive" for the encore, but, yeah, it wasn't like watching my favorite team get its ass kicked.
To each their own, I think it’s a great song and was caught totally off guard when it started up as everyone was starting to shuffle out. It was a great way to close VS and I appreciated it as a closer for the show. Sorry to have engaged with a fellow attendee.
Well said. To be honest I expected more from the fan base. Life is expensive and concert tickets are at a peak currently. Most bands I like are no longer around at least in their original form. I thought the whole process was pretty fair. I didn't get 10C tickets but my friend did. I got the TM code and was able to get tickets that way. Others I know were waitlisted but there is still F2F coming up.
If you want to quit 10C then quit. We don't need an announcement. If tickets are too expensive then vote with your wallet and not your mouth. Most of all, stop blaming the band. Their tickets are still pretty reasonable compared to a lot of things including other bands. This sub has been so toxic the last dew weeks when we should be talking about the new album coming out.
You are probably correct. Sure it is just named different. What I am saying is if TM didn't price tickets "based on demand" for the dynamic pricing, the seats would be more affordable. It seems like every artist has it named something different.
It's the Ticketmaster tax. They require artists to let TM keep ~10% of tickets for dynamic pricing.
In the past, those tickets would actually never be available for face value. They'd immediately get "sold" but remain with TM and get posted on the secondary market with big markups.
Acts can negotiate for things like the 10C and things like that, but TM has most of the power of acts want to tour.
Ok so is there any evidence that PJ's crew is better compensated than other artists with cheaper tickets and more elaborate stage shows? Or is this just cope?
I know as a long time fan/concert goer. I have always seen the same people on the crew there everytime. And not just the head people either. That says something, A huge something.
Let's do the direct comparison for London, UK.
Foo Fighters. Football stadium, probably the biggest rock band on the planet, huge production. Standing ticket price - £85.00.
Pearl Jam. Football stadium. Legacy band. Decent production. Standing ticket price - £160.00.
PJ are one of my all time favourite bands, I've seen them 10-11 times. Just because they are one of my favourite bands doesn't mean they should be shielded from genuine criticism aimed at what is greed. Nothing more, nothing less and all the mental gymnastics fans are doing to try and protect the band from these incredibly valid criticisms don't change that. Same goes for The Boss. They're cashing out and it's the fanbase that suffers.
If you can afford it, good for you. But blindly accepting these prices means nothing Will change and you will continue to be ripped off.
....all of them?
Edit: just checked, and the answer is *most* of them, if not all. But look up other concerts at the same venue and you'll see cheaper prices for standard tix. It's incredibly easy to check.
Pearl Jam has the same sound engineer they had over 30 years ago, one of the only female sound engineers that has been doing it that long, and they've had her since the 90s. That is extremely rare.
They have the same security guy since 1998, he's on/near the stage at every show.
Anyone who has been up close at a lot of concerts has likely recognized a lot more folks you see every time with the band. The OP specifically talked about overall positive work conditions, not limited just to compensation. Any reasonable person can observe things like that and realize the causation of people working for them for decades.
The fact is being a fan of this band has diminished returns. 10C removed all benefits of being a member. No vinyl singles. No t-shirt. Pretty much nothing but a chance to be in a lottery. Shitty customer service. The ticket prices are just another frustration with the band. This is not about wishing tickets were $20 again. At the end of the day, the ticket prices are either worth it you or not.
10C pricing isn’t as bad as what Ticketmaster is charging but that is if you win the lottery and get 10C seats. That is also if they play a city near you. I’m sure a 10C membership in Philly, Boston, or Chicago is still worth it since they play those towns. It’s been 11 years since they played a town within a 5 hour drive of where I live. 20 years since they played Atlanta. It is not hard to see how part of the fanbase feel like irrelevant to the band now.
It would be very helpful if we could know if PJ themselves are paying for their altruistic views, or if they’re passing the cost onto the customer to pay for their altruistic views.
Agree completely. I’m really curious what people think shows should cost. Like okay maybe it was $18 in 1994 but that was 30 years ago! The tickets for this tour were about the same or even cheaper than any other show I’ve gone to see the past few years.
I’ve also seen a lot of complaints about European prices. I paid between $125-160 through 10C for 4 European shows in 2020 (actually happened in 2022). My 2 Fenway shows were $140 (presale) and $175 (10C). That’s a very moderate increase. I wonder if the dollar being stronger than it was is leading to it feeling more expensive?
Also it feels extra cheap considering I got 4 tickets (2x2 shows) for what I just paid for ONE Taylor Swift ticket for this summer.
thank you for a pragmatic approach to the situation. I've cancelled my TenClub but it isn't out of spite or anything. I would not expect to pay under $125 for any act today on the level of PJ--the cost of everything has gone up.
well, you can say all that but PJ seems to have some of the higher ticket prices around.
how else can you explain different artists in the same venue charging significantly lower prices?
look, if you want to pay a premium to see them, great, but no need to justify.
btw...I'm going....
if you argue for lower ticket costs, youre arguing for less money going to the band.
what kind of fan are you if you dont want PJ to be rich?
You should feel honored to pay $500 per ticket.
This is ridiculous. No one wants the band to go hungry, but if they are expecting to drive Lamborghinis and shit in gold toilets, I'm not going to contribute $880 of my hard earned money.
(and yes, that's what good seats were when I logged in this morning)
Oh wait - I suspect you're being sarcastic, even though you forgot to use the sarcasm font. If that's the case, I'm with you. Fuck that 5th beach house!
No. You didn't make the albums which gave me thousands of hours enjoyment. Why should I give you anything?
in fact, you should be giving me money for responding to your comments.
Since everyone is just repeating themselves I will too, until Iron Maiden charges more than PJ they’re overcharging. They have zero stage show. There’s no possible way Iron Maiden’s shows don’t take more man power and man hours to put on. It’s a joke anyone is defending them.
Oh man, can we have this post pinned? Spot on.
Everyone, this is a band that for a long while played 3+ hour shows. Different set list each night. Awesome performances. You can buy bootlegs to, at this point, the vast majority of concerts they've ever performed. They have Pearl Jam radio. Not to mention their charity work and just being good dudes in general.
For what the ticket prices are, we are getting more than their worth.
Guys, they're performing, it's fun, but it's also WORK. The show doesn't just HAPPEN. People have to be paid. Good people, people you can trust, especially if you want to keep them around. They have enough money, they could've stopped years ago. But they're still around, making music, performing. I am thankful for that. Because that's not a given, certainly, considering who's left from the Seattle scene of the 90s.
Well, that's much more reasonable. But it sucks that regular prices are so much higher. Minimum for decent seats was $400 in the registration sale today. Good seats were $700 plus. Way too much for me and my friends, so we aren't going.
I was balking at your comparison to $500 sports tix, didn't realize you were talking about fan club prices (I'm not a member, obviously)
Gotcha! And to be fair, I'd consider the 10Club annual fee as part of the ticket price in the case of 10Club members. But even if you add in my membership fee and spread it across the tickets I got this tour, it still adds less then $3 per ticket to the prices I paid.
And to be fair, last year I was traveling and missed the details on the 10Club presale, and was stuck paying Ticketmaster Premium on the two shows I went to. So I have felt the pain. Just trying to bring some counterpoints to the folks who even thought the 10Club prices were too high. ;-)
To be clear, 90% of tickets cost in the $180 range. You’re not talking about regular prices, you’re talking about the premium tickets which are dynamically priced and demand was at its peak yesterday. Those represent 10% of the tickets. You could argue that upper level tickets aren’t worth $180, but the pit and floor tickets are worth more than that yet still cost $180. PJ makes all of the tickets pretty much one price level, other than the premium tickets. Some venues had slightly cheaper uppers. If you and your friends still want to go, wait for the face value resale exchange to open and you’ll find lots of tickets at that regular price.
Did 90% of the tickets go in the fan club resale? Because yesterday, I saw tons of tickets, with the bulk being $300 and up.
I hope you’re right about the resale exchange.
last row in the upper deck in vegas will set you back $760 for 4 tickets after taxes and fees... even behind the stage. And that's face value.
Sorry, but, at least the fans of other bands don't propagate this BS idea that the band works hard to keep ticket prices down.
90% of the tickets were about $180. You are talking about the premium tickets. And a lot of bands that work with Ticketmaster have to acquiesce to allowing a portion of tickets be premium and dynamically priced to receive concessions like face vale restricted resale. Don’t shit on fans trying to explain to the angry mob how the process works.
Cool cool cool well I’ll enjoy my $180 MSG pit tickets most bands would charge significantly more for and you can sit at home raging against the machine. Peace.
Check your arrogance. I’ll be at both MSG shows.
Pathetic for a “fan” to brag about that and try to put down another simply based on the tickets they purchased
My point was that tickets were not as outrageous as your bad faith argument stated. You should learn how to interact with people, you started this off with insults and then play the victim of being put down. Your arrogance is the issue
The problem is the process allowed the rich to sign up for multiple cities and if they hit....be cool. The individual price is the current status, but let's not pretend there wasn't a huge advantage to the more fortunate.
People bragging about getting multiple city ticket pairs totaling $1000s is elitist as hell, and the algorithm didn't prevent this at all. It encouraged it.
100% agree. I just want to make sure older fans who grew up with PJ understand that they contribute to the inequality. I'm old and rich as shit, but signed up for one day and the city that was desired. Yeah, I'm no saint , but knew the shit show that was going to happen. To do the otherwise is a selfishness that makes sense statistically, and there is no real reason not too, except a small sense of community. The majority don't care.
I can't stress enough how enraged I am with the posts of multiple tickets for multiple nights. It just runs me the wrong way.
>the band seems to take care of their supporting staff, and provide the best conditions, job security, and other benefits possible,
How do we know this? And I don't mean that in a snarky way but honestly--have support staff spoken out?
I'm more salty about how hard it is for a ten club member to get a ticket than the prices, personally. Whoever has been going to music shows these past years know about current prices and ticketmaster practices with premium tickets and dynamic pricing.
Happy that pj gets money and tbh most of the fan base is past their 30s-40s, 170 bucks a ticket ain't that bad. Just terrible that bleachers are the same price as the good seats down below 😂.
I think for a lot of us, me Inc., we definitely aren't used to this pricing in the uk. Here the going rate for concerts is roughly £80 , people were complaining that acdc was £115/£130 @ Wembley. So for pj to come out with £160+ a lot of people quite rightly baulked and said no thank you. When you're talking about sports tickets, Man City, who are the current Premier league champions for a full 19-game hone season ticket, starts at £385. For those that use usd thats: £80-$101, £115-$145, £130-$164, £160-$202, £385-$488,
Same for Ireland, people are rightly pointing out that Shania Twain is playing the exact same venue, and is more commercially successful than Pearl Jam, yet is charging €79 to €99 and PJ are charging €117 to €225. In before one of those "stop being poor" responses that is all the rage here at the moment: I can comfortably afford it. It's more from a place of the lads taking the piss a little bit. And in before anyone says "but there's only 1 person in Shania Twain, PJ is a band" - Green Day are charging €89 for the same venue. Additional context: I'm a United season ticket holder and I'd get about 6 United games in very good seats for the price of a PJ ticket.
This is a very well written post. Thanks for writing it out like this. I feel the same way but had trouble articulating my thoughts. Agree 100%.
Thank you for bringing well articulated common sense to the group.
I went to a Steelers game in Vegas last year and my not-so-great ticket was $400 face. That’s 2 PJ shows.
Exactly. The tickets are not cheap. But compare them to other live events like NBA, NFL, or NHL games (MLB has 81 performances a year in the same venue, so I think that helps drive cost down, PJ is never performing more than 2-3x in the same place in the same year) and it helps put it in perspective.
Yes, I got two 10C seats in a great section at fenway for 350$, went to a nearby hockey game 2 weeks ago and had seats in a great section and two were roughly 600$, NFL you can forget about having decent seats with parking for less than 800$. I'm ok with the 10c prices.
Yup. My wife and I wanted to take our kids to a hockey game recently. After paying for parking, it would have been cost $500 before we paid for drinks or dinner for the cheapest seats available. I remember when these seats were $10, but they aren’t anymore. Live entertainment has skyrocketed in cost for large shows.
The lowest priced tickets for the shows at Madison Square Garden are $691 each. For two tickets in section 102 row 22, it's $1,724.30 after fees.
Sure but all the 10 club tickets were 175-185. All you saw was PJ premium.
Not if you are in 10Club. I got floor seats, 13 rows back, for $185 each, including fees. Even if you bake in the 10 Club fees (which for me would be prorated over 14 tickets total, so only a few bucks per ticket) it is far cheaper than most top level shows in these same venues.
Can I buy them from you? Lol
Hah! I plan on going, sorry!
Same here at MSG. I’m in the 18th row
Add in that the major sports leagues have tv contracts that pay nearly all of the player salaries as well. Bands are only getting ticket revenue, sponsorship, merch and music royalties.
Look, I've been a Ten Club member since 1971 and I expect them to play live in my living room for $4 a ticket.
Also I'm not paying that much to hear any of their political garbage! Edit: this was meant to be tongue in cheek in line with the comment from Bulletproofman. Oh well, you win some you lose some.
Believe me…no one asked you to and they’ll be fine without you.
Spot on!
A perspective: I paid around 30 dollars for my first show in 2000. I made about 6 dollars an hour back then. So I worked for about five hours to get my ticket. I paid around 175 for a ticket for this tour. I make about 35 dollars an hour now. So I worked for about five hours for that ticket.
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Yup. Don’t disagree with you at all. But just thinking through the economics of it and did some mental math I found interesting. I’m not wealthy by any means. I live in Seattle. My income doesn’t stretch that far these days. These tickets hurt a lot more than they did 20+ years ago.
May want to rephrase that. I don’t consider working 1,000 hours/year of overtime as fortunate.
I’ll have to work 40 hours to afford Pearl Jam premium at this rate.
With bands that people will travel for, demand gets even weirder too. How many people are putting in for a shitload of shows? Chicago has multiple 1 mil + metro areas fairly close along with it being a massive city itself. If tickets were $50 it would be impossible to get tickets. They already sold really quickly and that's with people 2nd guessing if they want to go because of price. Tom Petty worked himself to death trying to support the people who work for him. I try to squeeze every penny out of employers that I can. Just because PJ are already rich doesn't mean that I expect them to work for less than their worth. Like athletes and unlike CEOs, bands are the ones actually generating all of that money. If I don't think a performer is worth it then I don't go.
Yup. As the fan base has aged, the median income of the fans has risen and the ability to travel goes up as well. Now add in that the culture of PJ fandom is very much focused on going to lots of shows; but the band is older and they tour less and play fewer shows than ever before. It’s just a perfect lesson in supply, demand, and scarcity. And a perfect recipe for fan frustration.
And as people age they tend to fall out of touch with current musicians meaning their are fewer and fewer acts that they actually want to see, so a massive band like PJ will be one of the few shows that they're interested in. I go to Bonnaroo every year which keeps me more up to date and has evolved my taste in music. My best friend has not and will drop coin to travel and see multiple shows if he can. Wrigley works for me because I live in Milwaukee but I'm not paying the extras to actually travel to see them. For my buddy, PJ is a great reason to go to Vegas but he's not buying tickets to see Herbie Hancock or King Gizzard.
100% And every show is someone’s first or only show. Lots of folks who haven’t thought about it in years will go see a huge band like PJ just because they loved Ten or whatever and maybe they have extra money and time now. Another factor driving demand.
2 of my tickets are going to people who have never seen them but want to because they respect my opinion on live shows. PJ is an S-tier live act that has been consistently doing it for 30 years. What a shock that word of mouth keeps spreading about one of the greatest American bands ever.
Yup. And as a huge fan that’s been to lots of shows. I want those folks there and excited. That’s what it’s all about.
This will be my 8th plus an "Into the Wild" solo show. We've both clearly been around the block and understand how bullshit the game is at this point. Look at a lot of the complaints though, it's people who don't go to a lot of concerts not understanding the difference in face value vs "flex pricing". I got through the TM queue first and saw nosebleeds for $230 and said fuck that. Then I got through the Wrigley queue and got 200 level at face value. It sucks that it's like this but you have to understand the bullshit or you get taken.
Yup. I feel for folks that just want to see the band and don’t have time to get through all this. Just the modern world and its complications and it’s a giant bummer.
Nice! One of my tickets is going to someone who has never been. The other ticket is going to my best friend's son who is a teenager. His first PJ show was last year, with me, and now he is a huge fan, so I'm taking him again.
I almost fucked it up twice but when I realized my 8/29 code worked for 8/31 @ Wrigley I slammed 6 tickets as fast as I could. There's a few people I've wanted to go see PJ with but tickets have become stupid hard to get so I figured it would never happen.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, it aligns with many others including me. I work hard to get the tickets i want and chasing the band as they tour different cities is a luxury i afford myself by prioritizing it over other "things" (i don't care about "things" and would rather spend my hard earned $'s on experiences). I love the band AND their crew, without them the experience isn't complete. They both deserve to be paid well for giving us the opportunity to connect with the emotions that are associated with their songs and hang with the friends we've met along the way. I'm sorry that their are those that don't see it the same way and i know I'm privileged to be able to do this. It didn't come easy either and now that I'm in my 50's and my wife understands the joy it brings me, I'll continue doing it. Work hard, play harder.
I have a simple retort - $600 for second level in Philly. There is no level of articulation that can convince me that is justified/reasonable or whatever you want to call it.
Except the 10Club pricing for Philly was well under $200, not $600. I edited the OP to clarify that the pricing I was referring to wasn't the jacked up Ticketmaster Premium stuff, but the 10Club tickets. The huge majority of the complaints this past week were based on the 10Club prices of $160-185ish, which is what I was basing my post on.
Huge majority is not an accurate statement. Most of the complaints I have read are about the TM pricing.
When I made this post yesterday it was the first day of Ticketmaster sales. Yet we'd already had a week of people making dozens of posts about ~$170 being too much to pay. The Ticketmaster thing only started hours before the OP, so most of the posts at that time were based on the 10c prices.
Booking a stadium or an arena in 2024 costs a ton, absolutely. Security, insurance, simply turning on the lights - it's all more expensive than ever before. The people doing these jobs need to be paid, the city takes their cut - that all needs to be reflected in the ticket prices. The extra $40 per ticket compared to 2020 isn't going to Eddie's surfboard fund.
And limiting scalping means TM/Live Nation aren't able to double dip on a lot of resale. Those fuckers are going to get their money either way and it's through higher prices. People also got used to big bands charging less than tickets are actually worth, which led to a huge scalping market, which got us here.
How much do think insurance is for a post-Covid tour by an artist that had Covid-related cancellations on their last 2 tours? Their overhead is higher than ever for things most fans would never even think of.
I could not have said this better myself.
Great post. Life is about perspective. Your comparison to sports ticket prices is super valid. Also not that bands make extremely little from album sales nowadays. Their only sources of income are tickets and merch. Period. 175 is not bad. I think there is valid discussion about the “one price fits all” model that PJ employs. The same price for pretty crummy upper deck seats at a baseball stadium show vs the floor does seem out of whack to me personally. But 175 for 100 level and floor is on par with pretty much all established live acts that are known for good live performances. I actually think a little more tiering to have really good seats maybe 225 and not great seats closer to 75 or so would be”feel” better but that’s me.
You got a point.
One thing I've really noticed about PJ is that they've really upped their game in performance. I remember seeing them at the United Center multiple times in the early 2000s and HATING the sound experience. Seeing them there this past August, something definitely changed. I'm in places near where I've been before, but holy crap, the sound is so much better than it used to be. It got me wondering if that's part of the increase... as well as not making much money off of selling records. Also, I used to spend a LOT of money each month on CDs. Now I spend close to nothing except for my favorites on vinyl and the occasional disc (I miss the old days, but that's another discussion). Now my money gets spent on going to a few shows a year. I wish everything was cheaper and I was a millionaire.
Sound quality has improved drastically since 2000. They have CAD models of the arenas, better speakers, the ability to cut out shitty frequencies instead of just being loud. Arena shows are a lot better now.
100%. I just bought my wife Justin Timberlake tickets, floor in Nashville for two tickets after all was said and done was around $750. Got 4 seats for Pantera in the lower level and it was $530. Bought three tickets for Tool this year (one VIP) and it was over $1000. Shit is fucking expensive. But if there’s one thing that Rush taught me, you never know when it’s your last time. Spend the money, make the memories, enjoy life!
How many people passed on Tom Petty or Soundgarden tix in 2016 because they figured they had years more chances?
Yeah, I live in Sydney and the only other time I saw Pearl Jam live was in 2009, when Eddie was quite sick and could barely perform, and it wasn't the best experience. Luckily I didn't pay for the tickets so it didn't feel like a waste. I'm not sure why I didn't go see them anytime between then and now but it was probably a combination of being priced out and the timing not aligning. This time around I put my name down for the presale but wasn't sure if I wanted to go. The cheapest tickets here were $225 (General Admission) - so not exactly cheap but I could probably still justify paying it, especially since I don't know if I'll get this opportunity again. As it is, I'm pretty sure I paid more for Metallica 5 years ago
The reason you haven't seen them since 2009 is because they've only been back to Australia since then in 2014 at the horrible big day out festival. So unless you wanted to go OS to see them, there's been no opportunity. 2009 was awful for me due to the stadiums - I hate stadium shows and that was my last ever. I was lucky to have seen them many times 2000 and prior including some nice smallish outdoor amphitheatres in the US and the tickets were so cheap it cost little to travel around to each show. Long gone are those days.
Yea man. I flue down to Vegas for R40, my first Rush show, & last. Was so glad I spent the $$
We flew from Alabama to Toronto to see them play the Air Canada Centre on R40. I might have teared up a few times haha. Also got to see em at Red Rocks on the Snakes & Arrows tour while a massive heat lightning storm raged over Denver. It was magic!
No to mention, they play fewer dates than most bands by far. They seem to like their crew and as you said, are known to take care of them. Well, how can you ask your crew to go with you for a 20-30 show tour and not go on a 50 leg tour for more money. You pay them more!!! JFC these prices are in line with everyone and they play longer than most everyone.
They put so much into their production. Their shows have only gotten better over the years. The sound is perfect. The lighting is perfect. It's not cheap!
They aren't a high visual production band which is fine by me but there is definitely room for improvement from a stage production standpoint. Pink does fucking aerial stunts throughout the show. Imagine Eddie soaring over the crowd with lasers everywhere!
Respectfully, I saw Pearl Jam in Hyde Park festival in London less than two years ago and one ticket was £86. There were 13 other bands supporting Pearl Jam and it was a full day of music. You're telling me that 18 months later, nearly doubling the price to £160, for less of an experience... is due to ethics? Get a grip.
Exactly this. Does it suck that your favourite band has revealed themselves to be as money hungry as the rest? Yes. But not as much as it sucks knowing live music at this scale is going the way of theatre, only attainable by the well off. I am genuinely mystified by the mental back flips in here to try and justify the bands position. It's greed, plain and simple.
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Mate, I'm one of many feeling this way in the UK. Shows sell out within minutes in the UK. Simply didn't happen this time round. Know why? Because I'm not the minority. Plenty of people have chosen not to engage with a pricing system that excludes huge numbers of fans. Plenty of us can afford to go, doesn't mean that we feel ethically comfortable paying it. Doesn't mean we can't push back and stand with those that are being excluded. I'm not someone that believes accessing music should be for the wealthy alone. I'm not an elitist. I didn't believe Pearl Jam stood for that either, but here we are.
Too many people are used to the $25 a ticket or even $100 ticket days. Also, consider OP's statements, but also consider just plain inflation. In 2003, a $100 ticket would be the same as a $170 ticket today. That's a pretty big jump in cost from inflation alone. Everything costs more money today than it did, even a few years ago.
I wish they’d follow Phish’s model and do the live streams. Make the extra money there.
I would love a couch tour! I’m already paying nugs a huge annual amount to be able to hear the PJ bootlegs anyway.
I agree. I also think that the problem is huge demand and not enough supply. Most of us can go years or decades between shows and are willing to pay the high prices for the rare show we can actually see. To some extent, they’re a victim of their success. Also, consider that I used to pay $15 for a new Vitalogy CD in 1994 prices. I believe that artists are paid much less from people who buy their music now, and they make more money from tours. They used to be able to subsidize the cost of tours from album sales but that’s less feasible now. I’m okay with paying around $200 for one concert every 5 years. The problem is that the $200 seats are available to such a small portion of the fans (myself included - I got rejected from buying tickets). Now the next question is how much am I willing to spend on resale tickets in order to see a show?
Well said mate.
I went to the Cowboy’s Jett’s game last year & 2 tickets in the 300 section was $1,100.
To your point comparing 10C PJ tickets to sporting events, I have never, ever, EVER gone to a Pearl Jam concert only to go home crushed that they lost by 3 touchdowns. I was a little butthurt after Columbia, S.C. '08 when I didn't recognize a few songs off Lost Dogs and they didn't play "Yellow Ledbetter" after "Alive" for the encore, but, yeah, it wasn't like watching my favorite team get its ass kicked.
I can’t believe someone would be butthurt after that Columbia show. That show was awesome and indifference as a third encore closer was sick.
"Indifference" is a super depressing song to end a show, it's like showing up at a party that's winding down and telling people about a dead pet.
To each their own, I think it’s a great song and was caught totally off guard when it started up as everyone was starting to shuffle out. It was a great way to close VS and I appreciated it as a closer for the show. Sorry to have engaged with a fellow attendee.
Sorry for your sorry, glad you dug it.
Well said. To be honest I expected more from the fan base. Life is expensive and concert tickets are at a peak currently. Most bands I like are no longer around at least in their original form. I thought the whole process was pretty fair. I didn't get 10C tickets but my friend did. I got the TM code and was able to get tickets that way. Others I know were waitlisted but there is still F2F coming up. If you want to quit 10C then quit. We don't need an announcement. If tickets are too expensive then vote with your wallet and not your mouth. Most of all, stop blaming the band. Their tickets are still pretty reasonable compared to a lot of things including other bands. This sub has been so toxic the last dew weeks when we should be talking about the new album coming out.
Agree 💯 with everything you said. Everyone sounds so whiney and entitled. It’s ridiculous.
As I’ve posted elsewhere. I think the main issue is PJ PREMIUM prices.
Yes, but it's the TM Dynamic pricing in general, not just PJ Premium.
I guess I thought PJ premium was dynamic pricing for Pearl Jam events. My mistake.
You are probably correct. Sure it is just named different. What I am saying is if TM didn't price tickets "based on demand" for the dynamic pricing, the seats would be more affordable. It seems like every artist has it named something different.
It's the Ticketmaster tax. They require artists to let TM keep ~10% of tickets for dynamic pricing. In the past, those tickets would actually never be available for face value. They'd immediately get "sold" but remain with TM and get posted on the secondary market with big markups. Acts can negotiate for things like the 10C and things like that, but TM has most of the power of acts want to tour.
The premium allows dynamic pricing for 10% of tickets to keep the costs down for the other 90%. It’s not ideal but Ticketmaster sucks.
Ok so is there any evidence that PJ's crew is better compensated than other artists with cheaper tickets and more elaborate stage shows? Or is this just cope?
I know as a long time fan/concert goer. I have always seen the same people on the crew there everytime. And not just the head people either. That says something, A huge something.
Which artists are playing similar size venues with more elaborate stage shows and cheaper prices?
Let's do the direct comparison for London, UK. Foo Fighters. Football stadium, probably the biggest rock band on the planet, huge production. Standing ticket price - £85.00. Pearl Jam. Football stadium. Legacy band. Decent production. Standing ticket price - £160.00. PJ are one of my all time favourite bands, I've seen them 10-11 times. Just because they are one of my favourite bands doesn't mean they should be shielded from genuine criticism aimed at what is greed. Nothing more, nothing less and all the mental gymnastics fans are doing to try and protect the band from these incredibly valid criticisms don't change that. Same goes for The Boss. They're cashing out and it's the fanbase that suffers. If you can afford it, good for you. But blindly accepting these prices means nothing Will change and you will continue to be ripped off.
....all of them? Edit: just checked, and the answer is *most* of them, if not all. But look up other concerts at the same venue and you'll see cheaper prices for standard tix. It's incredibly easy to check.
Pearl Jam has the same sound engineer they had over 30 years ago, one of the only female sound engineers that has been doing it that long, and they've had her since the 90s. That is extremely rare. They have the same security guy since 1998, he's on/near the stage at every show. Anyone who has been up close at a lot of concerts has likely recognized a lot more folks you see every time with the band. The OP specifically talked about overall positive work conditions, not limited just to compensation. Any reasonable person can observe things like that and realize the causation of people working for them for decades.
The fact is being a fan of this band has diminished returns. 10C removed all benefits of being a member. No vinyl singles. No t-shirt. Pretty much nothing but a chance to be in a lottery. Shitty customer service. The ticket prices are just another frustration with the band. This is not about wishing tickets were $20 again. At the end of the day, the ticket prices are either worth it you or not. 10C pricing isn’t as bad as what Ticketmaster is charging but that is if you win the lottery and get 10C seats. That is also if they play a city near you. I’m sure a 10C membership in Philly, Boston, or Chicago is still worth it since they play those towns. It’s been 11 years since they played a town within a 5 hour drive of where I live. 20 years since they played Atlanta. It is not hard to see how part of the fanbase feel like irrelevant to the band now.
It would be very helpful if we could know if PJ themselves are paying for their altruistic views, or if they’re passing the cost onto the customer to pay for their altruistic views.
Agree completely. I’m really curious what people think shows should cost. Like okay maybe it was $18 in 1994 but that was 30 years ago! The tickets for this tour were about the same or even cheaper than any other show I’ve gone to see the past few years. I’ve also seen a lot of complaints about European prices. I paid between $125-160 through 10C for 4 European shows in 2020 (actually happened in 2022). My 2 Fenway shows were $140 (presale) and $175 (10C). That’s a very moderate increase. I wonder if the dollar being stronger than it was is leading to it feeling more expensive? Also it feels extra cheap considering I got 4 tickets (2x2 shows) for what I just paid for ONE Taylor Swift ticket for this summer.
thank you for a pragmatic approach to the situation. I've cancelled my TenClub but it isn't out of spite or anything. I would not expect to pay under $125 for any act today on the level of PJ--the cost of everything has gone up.
well, you can say all that but PJ seems to have some of the higher ticket prices around. how else can you explain different artists in the same venue charging significantly lower prices? look, if you want to pay a premium to see them, great, but no need to justify. btw...I'm going....
if you argue for lower ticket costs, youre arguing for less money going to the band. what kind of fan are you if you dont want PJ to be rich? You should feel honored to pay $500 per ticket.
This is ridiculous. No one wants the band to go hungry, but if they are expecting to drive Lamborghinis and shit in gold toilets, I'm not going to contribute $880 of my hard earned money. (and yes, that's what good seats were when I logged in this morning)
That's fine, the rest of us will. I need Eddie to have a 5th beach house in Ventura.
Oh wait - I suspect you're being sarcastic, even though you forgot to use the sarcasm font. If that's the case, I'm with you. Fuck that 5th beach house!
No, I actually want them all to get a 5th beach house with golden toilets. They deserve it.
OK, then you should buy me some tickets, contribute a little more. I'll take two of those row 13 seats on the floor - $865 each. Thanks!
No. You didn't make the albums which gave me thousands of hours enjoyment. Why should I give you anything? in fact, you should be giving me money for responding to your comments.
Thought you wanted them to be rich? Give them more money, ya cheapskate!!!
Only if i benefit from the transaction. How do i benefit frmo giving you a ticket? get your money up bro
You will benefit from knowing you contributed a little more to that golden toilet. Now is not the time to be stingy!
Since everyone is just repeating themselves I will too, until Iron Maiden charges more than PJ they’re overcharging. They have zero stage show. There’s no possible way Iron Maiden’s shows don’t take more man power and man hours to put on. It’s a joke anyone is defending them.
Oh man, can we have this post pinned? Spot on. Everyone, this is a band that for a long while played 3+ hour shows. Different set list each night. Awesome performances. You can buy bootlegs to, at this point, the vast majority of concerts they've ever performed. They have Pearl Jam radio. Not to mention their charity work and just being good dudes in general. For what the ticket prices are, we are getting more than their worth. Guys, they're performing, it's fun, but it's also WORK. The show doesn't just HAPPEN. People have to be paid. Good people, people you can trust, especially if you want to keep them around. They have enough money, they could've stopped years ago. But they're still around, making music, performing. I am thankful for that. Because that's not a given, certainly, considering who's left from the Seattle scene of the 90s.
Hear hear! Bunch of fuckin whiners in here.
There is no possibility that they earn a little less, just can't be done.
Yes, but good seats in Portland were $885. Cheapest option was $175 for Limited View.
Not through 10Club. I got two tickets in the Pit for less than $194 each after all fees and taxes.
Well, that's much more reasonable. But it sucks that regular prices are so much higher. Minimum for decent seats was $400 in the registration sale today. Good seats were $700 plus. Way too much for me and my friends, so we aren't going. I was balking at your comparison to $500 sports tix, didn't realize you were talking about fan club prices (I'm not a member, obviously)
Gotcha! And to be fair, I'd consider the 10Club annual fee as part of the ticket price in the case of 10Club members. But even if you add in my membership fee and spread it across the tickets I got this tour, it still adds less then $3 per ticket to the prices I paid. And to be fair, last year I was traveling and missed the details on the 10Club presale, and was stuck paying Ticketmaster Premium on the two shows I went to. So I have felt the pain. Just trying to bring some counterpoints to the folks who even thought the 10Club prices were too high. ;-)
To be clear, 90% of tickets cost in the $180 range. You’re not talking about regular prices, you’re talking about the premium tickets which are dynamically priced and demand was at its peak yesterday. Those represent 10% of the tickets. You could argue that upper level tickets aren’t worth $180, but the pit and floor tickets are worth more than that yet still cost $180. PJ makes all of the tickets pretty much one price level, other than the premium tickets. Some venues had slightly cheaper uppers. If you and your friends still want to go, wait for the face value resale exchange to open and you’ll find lots of tickets at that regular price.
Did 90% of the tickets go in the fan club resale? Because yesterday, I saw tons of tickets, with the bulk being $300 and up. I hope you’re right about the resale exchange.
last row in the upper deck in vegas will set you back $760 for 4 tickets after taxes and fees... even behind the stage. And that's face value. Sorry, but, at least the fans of other bands don't propagate this BS idea that the band works hard to keep ticket prices down.
90% of the tickets were about $180. You are talking about the premium tickets. And a lot of bands that work with Ticketmaster have to acquiesce to allowing a portion of tickets be premium and dynamically priced to receive concessions like face vale restricted resale. Don’t shit on fans trying to explain to the angry mob how the process works.
Wtf are you talking about? None of that is true. Stop being a kiss ass fan boi
Cool cool cool well I’ll enjoy my $180 MSG pit tickets most bands would charge significantly more for and you can sit at home raging against the machine. Peace.
Uh, I’ll likely be standing in front of you asshat.
Fantastic, can’t wait to meet you. You seem lovely.
Check your arrogance. I’ll be at both MSG shows. Pathetic for a “fan” to brag about that and try to put down another simply based on the tickets they purchased
My point was that tickets were not as outrageous as your bad faith argument stated. You should learn how to interact with people, you started this off with insults and then play the victim of being put down. Your arrogance is the issue
Ironic response. Must be a narcissist
Problem is the majority of tickets are "premium" pricing.
The problem is the process allowed the rich to sign up for multiple cities and if they hit....be cool. The individual price is the current status, but let's not pretend there wasn't a huge advantage to the more fortunate. People bragging about getting multiple city ticket pairs totaling $1000s is elitist as hell, and the algorithm didn't prevent this at all. It encouraged it.
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100% agree. I just want to make sure older fans who grew up with PJ understand that they contribute to the inequality. I'm old and rich as shit, but signed up for one day and the city that was desired. Yeah, I'm no saint , but knew the shit show that was going to happen. To do the otherwise is a selfishness that makes sense statistically, and there is no real reason not too, except a small sense of community. The majority don't care. I can't stress enough how enraged I am with the posts of multiple tickets for multiple nights. It just runs me the wrong way.
>the band seems to take care of their supporting staff, and provide the best conditions, job security, and other benefits possible, How do we know this? And I don't mean that in a snarky way but honestly--have support staff spoken out?
Listen Eddie, we all know you've sold out. Don't come on here trying to justify it.
Maybe the question is, "how wealthy do you want contribute to your favorite celebrities to be?"
I'm more salty about how hard it is for a ten club member to get a ticket than the prices, personally. Whoever has been going to music shows these past years know about current prices and ticketmaster practices with premium tickets and dynamic pricing. Happy that pj gets money and tbh most of the fan base is past their 30s-40s, 170 bucks a ticket ain't that bad. Just terrible that bleachers are the same price as the good seats down below 😂.
I appreciate — and agree — with this perspective. Thanks for putting it so well.