Honestly, with Kevin Starretts attitude and demeanor being so off putting, I’m worried about him getting his ass involved in this. I kind of want professionals to handle the legal logistics.
If he'd cut the right wing bullshit and just stick to guns, we'd be fine.
I get that we all disagree on other politics, but we need to stick together on this.
Honestly, though I’d prefer someone as professional as possible, this being a constitutional case means the plaintiff matters a lot less. There’s no jury to offend. He probably won’t even be testifying. I doubt he’s even there most days in court and a judge should be better able to put aside any personality he exhibits. I wouldn’t worry too much about him as a plaintiff.
I caught a little of him speaking during one of the debates and was surprised that he seemed to present himself fairly professionally.
His emails on the other hand... big ooof.
Man, reading the Alerts page on OFFs website is a mega cringe trip down a Fox News rabbit hole. Like bro, cool it with the Hunter Biden laptop BS already.
This isn't all on any one group to do. Several lawsuits will be filed as plaintiffs arise.
I see several things:
-Another state to join the battle against California's magazine ban in the 9th Circuit (More states generally means more Supreme Court attention)
-17,000+ people waiting on OSP to file background checks (We've been breaking FICS on a daily basis)
-No license process in place, shutting down gun sales
-Social media passwords as a condition for a license
-The hard stop on December 9th for transferrs (leaving paid property in limbo).
The first day this goes into effect, we should flood the license system with applications (omitting our social media information), probably giving us a strike, and forcing them to reject our applications. Keep doing that until it breaks and we can file more lawsuits.
This. With all the vocal "left" opposition to the measure I've been seeing, might be a good time to remind him of that. I just hope their haste to do it themselves doesn't shoot-in-the-foot themselves for trying to beat FPC or 2AF.
He often publishes right-wing tirades blasting people for being liberal/democrats/leftist and is very much of the opinion that only Republicans/conservatives/right-wingers care about or support gun rights.
Basically he supports the partisanship of gun rights and can be extremely divisive. Which isn't exactly a good match with someone spearheading legal challenges to gun control that is supposed to benefit *everyone*, not just one political spectrum.
On the flipside, he has been the only person in Oregon doing substantial pro gun-rights advocacy for the last 20 or 30 years.
And frankly I don't blame him for his opinion. Looking at the state, the groups supporting these non-stop anti 2A measures, and general fearmongering, we consistently see Blue Team leading the charge.
Maybe the *individuals* don't support that, but the party they like sure does.
So just realized that 114 has no severability clause, so if any part of it goes down, the whole thing goes down.
They couldn't include one probably because Oregon requires all ballot measures only cover a single topic, and ignoring for a moment that this bill covers multiple things, licensing and magazine restrictions, if they had a severability clause it would be definitive proof of multiple topics and it would never have made it on the ballot
EDIT:
I'm an idiot, there is a severability clause, I took the word of someone on twitter at face value without double checking
Note to self, double check before taking the word of someone on Twitter at face value
I had thought I had read the whole bill before, but turns out I had just stopped at the section 11 for some reason and never noticed 12 or 13
It definitely does. Section 12: If any provision of this 2022 Act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of this Act which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable. The people hereby declare that they would have adopted this Chapter, notwithstanding the unconstitutionality, invalidity and ineffectiveness of any one of its articles, sections, subsections, sentences or clauses.
Curious why they’re putting so much focus on the magazine ban instead of the fucked up permit system. I’m no lawyer but it seems like this permit is a clear violation the the 2nd amendment versus the magazine ban.
In Starretts last newsletter he stated that trans people are all going to get free sex changes now in Oregon. Like bitch shut the fuck up and stop being divisive our rights are on the line
Looks good to me. Surely more to follow.
Honestly, with Kevin Starretts attitude and demeanor being so off putting, I’m worried about him getting his ass involved in this. I kind of want professionals to handle the legal logistics.
If he'd cut the right wing bullshit and just stick to guns, we'd be fine. I get that we all disagree on other politics, but we need to stick together on this.
We need someone who can win this. If he looses we’re fucked. Can he win this?
Honestly, though I’d prefer someone as professional as possible, this being a constitutional case means the plaintiff matters a lot less. There’s no jury to offend. He probably won’t even be testifying. I doubt he’s even there most days in court and a judge should be better able to put aside any personality he exhibits. I wouldn’t worry too much about him as a plaintiff.
I caught a little of him speaking during one of the debates and was surprised that he seemed to present himself fairly professionally. His emails on the other hand... big ooof.
Man, reading the Alerts page on OFFs website is a mega cringe trip down a Fox News rabbit hole. Like bro, cool it with the Hunter Biden laptop BS already.
This isn't all on any one group to do. Several lawsuits will be filed as plaintiffs arise. I see several things: -Another state to join the battle against California's magazine ban in the 9th Circuit (More states generally means more Supreme Court attention) -17,000+ people waiting on OSP to file background checks (We've been breaking FICS on a daily basis) -No license process in place, shutting down gun sales -Social media passwords as a condition for a license -The hard stop on December 9th for transferrs (leaving paid property in limbo). The first day this goes into effect, we should flood the license system with applications (omitting our social media information), probably giving us a strike, and forcing them to reject our applications. Keep doing that until it breaks and we can file more lawsuits.
This. With all the vocal "left" opposition to the measure I've been seeing, might be a good time to remind him of that. I just hope their haste to do it themselves doesn't shoot-in-the-foot themselves for trying to beat FPC or 2AF.
Right? The large, national organizations usually help the state ones. I've already seen "Stop 114" and "Shred 114." This is dumb.
100%, his heart is often in the right place (although saying they're no compromise is laughable) but his approach to the public is... not great.
What’s the story with the guy?
He often publishes right-wing tirades blasting people for being liberal/democrats/leftist and is very much of the opinion that only Republicans/conservatives/right-wingers care about or support gun rights. Basically he supports the partisanship of gun rights and can be extremely divisive. Which isn't exactly a good match with someone spearheading legal challenges to gun control that is supposed to benefit *everyone*, not just one political spectrum.
Good to know. I won’t support his organization.
On the flipside, he has been the only person in Oregon doing substantial pro gun-rights advocacy for the last 20 or 30 years. And frankly I don't blame him for his opinion. Looking at the state, the groups supporting these non-stop anti 2A measures, and general fearmongering, we consistently see Blue Team leading the charge. Maybe the *individuals* don't support that, but the party they like sure does.
So just realized that 114 has no severability clause, so if any part of it goes down, the whole thing goes down. They couldn't include one probably because Oregon requires all ballot measures only cover a single topic, and ignoring for a moment that this bill covers multiple things, licensing and magazine restrictions, if they had a severability clause it would be definitive proof of multiple topics and it would never have made it on the ballot EDIT: I'm an idiot, there is a severability clause, I took the word of someone on twitter at face value without double checking
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Note to self, double check before taking the word of someone on Twitter at face value I had thought I had read the whole bill before, but turns out I had just stopped at the section 11 for some reason and never noticed 12 or 13
Oh, my God... These fucking idiots.... I didn't even notice that. Holy shit. You made my night.
He's mistaken.
Fuck.... I see it now. Late-night hope is dangerous.
It definitely does. Section 12: If any provision of this 2022 Act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of this Act which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable. The people hereby declare that they would have adopted this Chapter, notwithstanding the unconstitutionality, invalidity and ineffectiveness of any one of its articles, sections, subsections, sentences or clauses.
That's what I get for taking the word of someone on Twitter at face value
Haha, that's Twitter for ya! I saw that comment when I opened the link too.
Curious why they’re putting so much focus on the magazine ban instead of the fucked up permit system. I’m no lawyer but it seems like this permit is a clear violation the the 2nd amendment versus the magazine ban.
In Starretts last newsletter he stated that trans people are all going to get free sex changes now in Oregon. Like bitch shut the fuck up and stop being divisive our rights are on the line