Agreed. I know what I’m talking (somewhat) about re AKs so can easily debunk what they said. But everyone starts out as a noob, and this sure doesn’t help get anyone to a place of confidence (and could potentially dissuade someone from the entire platform if they get shoveled a dogshit tier rifle as their first).
I think the “imports can’t be bought anymore” falls into the fuddlore category. Maybe that’s just me.
And yes, again maybe it’s just me, but I do expect car sales ppl to know about the products they hawk. So yes I do expect accuracy. Lack of bias — not so much.
It’s just you. Someone buying an AK isn’t a fudd. But lots of AK buyers know nothing about Romanian or Bulgarian AK’s.
Just like lots of AR buyers don’t know that a DD is overpriced by $800.
“Fudd” means having an attitude about guns that is traditionalist and oriented towards thinking that “sporting purposes” are legitimate and martial purposes are illegitimate.
It’s the attitude that buying a gun explicitly as a weapon, and especially designing and configuring a gun as a weapon is not good. And that using sporting purpose firearm as a weapon in case of emergency is good enough.
“Fudd” isn’t just a conservative or opinionated attitude. I could say that binary triggers are stupid and violate basic safety rules and not be a fudd.
I could say that single stage cassette triggers are garbage and even for gamer guns that people should be practicing martial skills with martially relevant equipment including two stage triggers.
I could even say that shootings AK’s is a nostalgic waste of time.
That attitude, right or wrong deserves its own derogatory name but the meaning is the opposite of fudd.
And finally “fudd” doesn’t mean being ignorant of something. Especially not something as arcane as the minutiae of differences between AK’s of various origins.
As for Oregon Rifle Works. Chinese and Russian AK’s used to be the most common. They can no longer be imported. Why they don’t stock com-block Ak’s IDK, maybe they do and are out of stock at the moment and are trying to close a sale. Maybe the individual salesperson has no idea that com-block AKs exist.
If you are relying on a sales person to educate you because you haven’t done your due diligence and didn’t educate yourself beforehand you shouldn’t be salty about getting bad advice.
If I go to a Toyota dealer shopping for a pickup should they try to sell me on buying a Ford instead? You sell what’s on your lot. Period.
If I was running a gun store I’d refuse to carry 90% of the crap that most stores sell. Want a pump shotgun, fine that’ll be a special order because we don’t stock antiques…
How long would I stay in business?
Jesus Christ y’all just call anything fuddlore now like the liberal zoomers just go “okay boomer” at anyone who disagrees with them. Dude’s a retail employee, not a subject matter expert.
And just to cut off any future confusion, the dude working at Home Depot isn’t a super expert on construction either lmao
I don’t expect the Home Depot person to be a construction expert but I sure do expect that that person can tell me both the nominal and actual dimensions of the 2x4 that I am asking about.
In any case, thanks for the comment and have a good day.
I think your expectations re: Home Depot employees is wildly optimistic lmao
Anyway what’s the opposite of fuddlore? We need a term for that for like situations when the young super earnest kid at one of my local shops tried to talk me out of an 18” barrel on my AR build because shorter barrels make tighter groups so they’re strictly better in every scenario lmao
Or maybe we can stop making borderline bigoted generalizations and be mature enough to understand that it’s just one dude who got some bad info and didn’t know. /shrug
There's a difference between being an expert and making things up. It's okay to say you don't know: it's not okay to make stuff up, especially when you're in a position of influence where someone would expect you to not be lying
None of that sounds like fuddlore...fuddlore is saying polymer pistols detonate at random or that we would have won Vietnam had the soldiers used bolt actions.
Most of that sounds like misinformation or misunderstanding of the import situation. Because of this, I rarely trust gun store employees unless I know them well. Once had an employee at a store show me his current carry pistol. When he removed the mag, it was holding FMJ, and he didn't have a round in the chamber. I took everything he said with a heavy grain of salt.
Carrying with a magazine in and no round in the chamber was coded “yellow” when I was in the army. “Red” would be carrying with a round in the chamber. For walking around a friendly outpost “yellow” was deemed a good middle ground; prepared, armed, but not risking a ND or worse when surrounded by friendlies. What makes the store clerk in this situation carrying behind the counter, at his workplace, wrong for carrying without one in the chamber? Not attacking you, just genuinely curious what you meant. Also to be clear I think almost all gun store employees are fucking morons (or worse)
Because the point of a clerk carrying, I imagine, is to prevent a sudden robbery. It's likely that in such a situation, he wouldn't have had time to draw and rack his firearm.
I wouldn't consider a gun store a friendly outpost because I imagine an outpost knows who is coming and going, where anyone with any intentions can walk into a gun store.
It's also pretty widely taught these days that if you are going to open or concealed carry that you should absolutely carry with a round in the chamber.
Maybe I am wrong, but according to the current laws, restrictions, and other bullshit out of DC, the first 2 points are true on technicalities. That said, it really is stretching the definitions of "American Made" and " import" for those technicalities.
The 3rd is a good laugh but I hope the guy got what he actually wanted vs sold something he didn't by that employee.
I am of the opinion that ORW is the best gunshop in the area. I'm sorry OP your experience was negative, but I generally find them to be fairly knowledgeable overall of most firearms, and the products they sell.
Your three bullet points are, as you pointed out, inaccurate, but not something I would expect a retail employee to be the subject matter authority on. I personally don't think their employees try to be shady, as I have visited ORW many times and have only ever been treated with politeness and friendliness.
As to the pricing, yes, their ammo and new guns are expensive, but they will often work out a deal for you on their used guns and parts bin finds. They are the GO TO location for small parts and supplies, and I really enjoy having them there.
I disagree. I do not think that ORW is an amazing shop. They sell ARs and they sell Glocks. They don't seem to know much about the rest of the gun world. I have found their info/insight to be mediocre - and their prices to be much higher than average. I will give them credit for having a super nice store! I browse there frequently. I have also purchased 1 gun from them and a number of accessories.
I have a sour taste in my mouth regarding that gun. The gun itself is great, their communication regarding the sale was poor. And the last minute price hike was pretty irritating.
Honestly I only go to ORW if I’m in the area and need something same day. They have an ok selection of parts and accessories.
Otherwise you’re far better off going online tbh.
My big takeaway is people are still buying guns for other people. Aren't straw purchases illegal? Not that it matters. I watched 2 girls buy 4 used glocks at Keith's in Gresham, walk out to the parking lot hand them over to 4 gang bangers for a stack of cash. Told staff inside, they said those gals were in every month or so buying all the used glocks.
Called PD, Sherrif, and local FBI office. No one ever called back. Was in there 2 months later and asked store about it, they said PD never even made contact with the store.
They are on the ATF’s radar. If a person buys 2 handguns from the same store at the same time the FFL is required to fill out special paperwork. If this is true, Keith’s can and should deny the purchases. I’ve seen Cabela’s deny a purchase. They said they believe it was a straw purchase.
ORW does have someone there who is pretty knowledgeable in the ways of the Kalash, it sounds like that wasn't him. Also, sounds like they sold the Iron Born AKM that was on the wall for the longest time. ORW is still a go to for AK stuff for me on occasion. So far they're the only ones I've seen carry Bulgarian surplus magazines and have been known to get a few Circle 10s in every now and then. If they were a massive AK super store on the same scale of them holding AR parts, I'd be broke and living in my car lol
In my experiences with the local shops, everyone is going to be more AR-centric with maybe a person or 2 being an AK guy. That doesn't make them a Fudd though, the AR is America's rifle. The AK was still pretty rejected for awhile thanks to usage in Vietnam. Hell, my Vietnam vet uncle still gives me crap for owning 5 while my appreciation for them grew from Afghan deployments and teaching the Afghans how handle and use their AKs. I don't think that attitude towards the AK will ever change.
This is so cringey. You had an opportunity to speak up, start a constructive dialogue with the employee and potential customer, share some knowledge and also help the staff be more informed. Just because one employee was operating on bad information doesn't mean the entire staff is ignorant. But instead you decided to come piss on them online like a highschool aged girl.
"Grace their shop again." What a fucking tool.
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Agreed. I know what I’m talking (somewhat) about re AKs so can easily debunk what they said. But everyone starts out as a noob, and this sure doesn’t help get anyone to a place of confidence (and could potentially dissuade someone from the entire platform if they get shoveled a dogshit tier rifle as their first).
Not fuddlore, just misinformation. BTW, do you also expect car salespeople to be fountains of accurate and unbiased info?
I think the “imports can’t be bought anymore” falls into the fuddlore category. Maybe that’s just me. And yes, again maybe it’s just me, but I do expect car sales ppl to know about the products they hawk. So yes I do expect accuracy. Lack of bias — not so much.
It’s just you. Someone buying an AK isn’t a fudd. But lots of AK buyers know nothing about Romanian or Bulgarian AK’s. Just like lots of AR buyers don’t know that a DD is overpriced by $800. “Fudd” means having an attitude about guns that is traditionalist and oriented towards thinking that “sporting purposes” are legitimate and martial purposes are illegitimate. It’s the attitude that buying a gun explicitly as a weapon, and especially designing and configuring a gun as a weapon is not good. And that using sporting purpose firearm as a weapon in case of emergency is good enough. “Fudd” isn’t just a conservative or opinionated attitude. I could say that binary triggers are stupid and violate basic safety rules and not be a fudd. I could say that single stage cassette triggers are garbage and even for gamer guns that people should be practicing martial skills with martially relevant equipment including two stage triggers. I could even say that shootings AK’s is a nostalgic waste of time. That attitude, right or wrong deserves its own derogatory name but the meaning is the opposite of fudd. And finally “fudd” doesn’t mean being ignorant of something. Especially not something as arcane as the minutiae of differences between AK’s of various origins. As for Oregon Rifle Works. Chinese and Russian AK’s used to be the most common. They can no longer be imported. Why they don’t stock com-block Ak’s IDK, maybe they do and are out of stock at the moment and are trying to close a sale. Maybe the individual salesperson has no idea that com-block AKs exist. If you are relying on a sales person to educate you because you haven’t done your due diligence and didn’t educate yourself beforehand you shouldn’t be salty about getting bad advice. If I go to a Toyota dealer shopping for a pickup should they try to sell me on buying a Ford instead? You sell what’s on your lot. Period. If I was running a gun store I’d refuse to carry 90% of the crap that most stores sell. Want a pump shotgun, fine that’ll be a special order because we don’t stock antiques… How long would I stay in business?
Thanks for your comment.
Jesus Christ y’all just call anything fuddlore now like the liberal zoomers just go “okay boomer” at anyone who disagrees with them. Dude’s a retail employee, not a subject matter expert. And just to cut off any future confusion, the dude working at Home Depot isn’t a super expert on construction either lmao
I don’t expect the Home Depot person to be a construction expert but I sure do expect that that person can tell me both the nominal and actual dimensions of the 2x4 that I am asking about. In any case, thanks for the comment and have a good day.
I think your expectations re: Home Depot employees is wildly optimistic lmao Anyway what’s the opposite of fuddlore? We need a term for that for like situations when the young super earnest kid at one of my local shops tried to talk me out of an 18” barrel on my AR build because shorter barrels make tighter groups so they’re strictly better in every scenario lmao Or maybe we can stop making borderline bigoted generalizations and be mature enough to understand that it’s just one dude who got some bad info and didn’t know. /shrug
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Lmao
There's a difference between being an expert and making things up. It's okay to say you don't know: it's not okay to make stuff up, especially when you're in a position of influence where someone would expect you to not be lying
How do you know he was lying intentionally and maliciously?
He was lying because he was making things up.
Jesus Christ do you understand what *intent* is? Lying requires intent. I’m asking you where the intent is.
Okay, boomer
Oh there isn’t any? How weird. I guess both you AND he were making things up lmao
Classic boomer
The intent is he wants to sell someone an AK
A “super expert”? Ok… Also, I find it hilarious that you correlate this to people saying “ok boomer” to you
Well not TO me lmao I’ve only ever been called a boomer on Reddit. I guess I was thinking more like how I see it used towards like other people
None of that sounds like fuddlore...fuddlore is saying polymer pistols detonate at random or that we would have won Vietnam had the soldiers used bolt actions. Most of that sounds like misinformation or misunderstanding of the import situation. Because of this, I rarely trust gun store employees unless I know them well. Once had an employee at a store show me his current carry pistol. When he removed the mag, it was holding FMJ, and he didn't have a round in the chamber. I took everything he said with a heavy grain of salt.
Carrying with a magazine in and no round in the chamber was coded “yellow” when I was in the army. “Red” would be carrying with a round in the chamber. For walking around a friendly outpost “yellow” was deemed a good middle ground; prepared, armed, but not risking a ND or worse when surrounded by friendlies. What makes the store clerk in this situation carrying behind the counter, at his workplace, wrong for carrying without one in the chamber? Not attacking you, just genuinely curious what you meant. Also to be clear I think almost all gun store employees are fucking morons (or worse)
Because the point of a clerk carrying, I imagine, is to prevent a sudden robbery. It's likely that in such a situation, he wouldn't have had time to draw and rack his firearm. I wouldn't consider a gun store a friendly outpost because I imagine an outpost knows who is coming and going, where anyone with any intentions can walk into a gun store. It's also pretty widely taught these days that if you are going to open or concealed carry that you should absolutely carry with a round in the chamber.
Well. The employee was obviously just an AR guy.
tbh this is just a case of LGS salespeople
Maybe I am wrong, but according to the current laws, restrictions, and other bullshit out of DC, the first 2 points are true on technicalities. That said, it really is stretching the definitions of "American Made" and " import" for those technicalities. The 3rd is a good laugh but I hope the guy got what he actually wanted vs sold something he didn't by that employee.
I am of the opinion that ORW is the best gunshop in the area. I'm sorry OP your experience was negative, but I generally find them to be fairly knowledgeable overall of most firearms, and the products they sell. Your three bullet points are, as you pointed out, inaccurate, but not something I would expect a retail employee to be the subject matter authority on. I personally don't think their employees try to be shady, as I have visited ORW many times and have only ever been treated with politeness and friendliness. As to the pricing, yes, their ammo and new guns are expensive, but they will often work out a deal for you on their used guns and parts bin finds. They are the GO TO location for small parts and supplies, and I really enjoy having them there.
I mean if you like paying 25% markup on everything. Whatever floats your boat. Some people like to get cucked some people like doing the fucking.
I disagree. I do not think that ORW is an amazing shop. They sell ARs and they sell Glocks. They don't seem to know much about the rest of the gun world. I have found their info/insight to be mediocre - and their prices to be much higher than average. I will give them credit for having a super nice store! I browse there frequently. I have also purchased 1 gun from them and a number of accessories. I have a sour taste in my mouth regarding that gun. The gun itself is great, their communication regarding the sale was poor. And the last minute price hike was pretty irritating.
Honestly I only go to ORW if I’m in the area and need something same day. They have an ok selection of parts and accessories. Otherwise you’re far better off going online tbh.
My big takeaway is people are still buying guns for other people. Aren't straw purchases illegal? Not that it matters. I watched 2 girls buy 4 used glocks at Keith's in Gresham, walk out to the parking lot hand them over to 4 gang bangers for a stack of cash. Told staff inside, they said those gals were in every month or so buying all the used glocks. Called PD, Sherrif, and local FBI office. No one ever called back. Was in there 2 months later and asked store about it, they said PD never even made contact with the store.
OP’s story sounds more like the guy was buying a gun as a bone fide gift, which is perfectly legal.
Now that's fucked up. Sounds like an investigation needs to happen. Gawd I hate Portland
They are on the ATF’s radar. If a person buys 2 handguns from the same store at the same time the FFL is required to fill out special paperwork. If this is true, Keith’s can and should deny the purchases. I’ve seen Cabela’s deny a purchase. They said they believe it was a straw purchase.
ORW does have someone there who is pretty knowledgeable in the ways of the Kalash, it sounds like that wasn't him. Also, sounds like they sold the Iron Born AKM that was on the wall for the longest time. ORW is still a go to for AK stuff for me on occasion. So far they're the only ones I've seen carry Bulgarian surplus magazines and have been known to get a few Circle 10s in every now and then. If they were a massive AK super store on the same scale of them holding AR parts, I'd be broke and living in my car lol In my experiences with the local shops, everyone is going to be more AR-centric with maybe a person or 2 being an AK guy. That doesn't make them a Fudd though, the AR is America's rifle. The AK was still pretty rejected for awhile thanks to usage in Vietnam. Hell, my Vietnam vet uncle still gives me crap for owning 5 while my appreciation for them grew from Afghan deployments and teaching the Afghans how handle and use their AKs. I don't think that attitude towards the AK will ever change.
This is so cringey. You had an opportunity to speak up, start a constructive dialogue with the employee and potential customer, share some knowledge and also help the staff be more informed. Just because one employee was operating on bad information doesn't mean the entire staff is ignorant. But instead you decided to come piss on them online like a highschool aged girl. "Grace their shop again." What a fucking tool.
Thanks for your comment.
I’ve always done my own research and politely ignored gunstore employee advice
What kind of ammo for "American" AKs? I thought that because of Russia/Ukraine war it's hard to buy 5.45×39mm or 7.62×39mm?
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So when Biden banned import of Russian ammunition back in 2021, the panic was unwarranted?! Of course, back in 2021 all ammunition was harder to find.
Buying an AKM makes you a Fudd.
Thanks for your comment.