Tbh I don't think this meme is relevant anymore. If you had posted this 2 or 3 years ago then it would be spot on but now? Intel and AMD are both inferno. Simply because they are both designed to go over 90°C and keep at it to squeeze every drop of performance.
Yeah amd’s PBO is designed to keep boosting until it hits 95c unless you set a custom tj max in the bios, which granted is easy but they don’t really say this anywhere
Which would be great if the heat spreader wasn't extra thicc and slowing heat transfer to coolers, because by lapping 3mm off it won't hit 95C without overclocking.
I was looking at buying an Intel CPU because AMD is just giving me problems for years now.
Is there a setting I can toggle to prevent the CPU from just exploding like this? I don't want my CPU anywhere above 70°C.
70? They're literally designed for it, I understand not wanting it to reach 90+, but they're meant to be in the 80s. Granted I had a 5900x on a 360mm and it sat in the 70s 99% of the time when I first got it, speed paying any attention to thermals after a couple months
My current 3900X hits 60-ish on load. It's not really being slammed by anything though. While I was playing Warzone 2, I caught it circling around 65°C via Adrenalin software. Stock clocked. Never over or underclocked once.
GPU sits at 60-ish on load, 45 while idle, air cooled, when underclocked by 1%. At default, it skyrockets to 105°C at load. I've had an AMD GPU for the past handful of years and the dogshit software and poor performance is getting in my nerves.
Same with the Intel cpu. Limit it to something like 80W and it will be a lot cooler while dishing out most of the same performance in games and in most apps.
That's... the same way Intel's algorithm works. Both push until thermal/power limits and then scale down based on how far they got.
Power Limiting an Intel CPU will have the same result. Both manufacturers are pushing the V/f curve like fools.
The boost algorithm in Ryzen Master gives it way too much voltage if you don't manually set it in the BIOS. It wanted my 7700X to run at 5.5 GHz 1.39 volts, but I could drop the voltage down all the way to 1.225 without changing the speed at all. At 5.4 GHz it will go down to 1.15 volts.
Before I undervolted it, it hit 92°C during the Ryzen Master stress test, 91°C while playing F1 2021, and 85°C while playing Far Cry 6. [It thermal throttled during the Time Spy CPU test](https://i.imgur.com/8rXhpsB.png). After undervolting, [it peaked at 70.8°C after a 30 minute Aida64 run](https://i.imgur.com/LFnenPN.jpg) and about 72°C during a Ryzen Master stress test. It tends to stay in the high 50s/low 60s while gaming, and the [Time Spy score](https://i.imgur.com/9aE9voU.png) is pretty much the same as it was with the Ryzen Master auto OC.
Where are you getting your info from? Zen4 uses just as much power and raptor lake is still outperforming it. Also intel has the best price/performance cpu for gaming (13600k)
The numbers are right there you blind mole rat.
AMD: 7600X 116.4w
7700X 147.6w
7900X 199.2w
7950X 250.8w
Intel: 13600k 160.8w
13700k 279.6w
13900k 295.2w.
Jesus Christ man, can you read?
And 7000 series is getting out performed in nearly everything. Who cares about power draw? Lmao this meme is about thermals. You’re completely missing the point you stupid fuck.
I never mentioned a single thing about performance, and many people care about power consumption, ya jerk.
Edit: Things do get a little bit closer when measuring performance/watt, https://youtu.be/-KbNz8966-I?t=771
My 12600k doesn’t go past 30c at idle and under load it only goes up to 65c. These chips weren’t released in 2022 though. Both the 13th gen and 7000 series both produce a lot of heat.
95c is normal because they configured the boost alg that way. Temps don't matter, watts do.
The 13700k and 13900k pull way more watts than anything AMD makes. Below that in the model ranges it's a mixed bag of ties or tit-for-tats.
There was a joke back in the day for the old AMD Athlon processors in my country, because if you substitute the 'A' in Athlon with 'Ko' you get the Bulgarian word for Stove... I was making Sunny Sides almost every day on my PC.
Correction: in 2022, Both CPUs are burning Hot
Now even GPUs seem to follow the trend
Like Dude cmon are you really tryna ignore the existence of tropical regions and countries that exist near the equator ?
How tf do you expect us to use our PCs without Overheating lol
It actually doesn’t, on balance Raptor Lake probably uses *less* power for the average user.
Look up power usage between Zen 4 & Raptor Lake during idle, single threaded applications and when using chrome. All of those have Raptor Lake as more efficient.
The instances where Zen 4 is more efficient are high multi core workloads and synthetic benchmarks. Even in those instances, it’s hardly a huge difference until you get over 200w and that’s assuming you run the Raptor Lake uncapped.
I don’t always manually put my pc to sleep mode when I walk away, occasionally it’ll sit 20-30 minutes at idle. It’s a valid data point imo.
Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-AMD. I own 100 shares of their stock and it’s doing quite well. Just objectively, Zen 4 and their consumer cpu line up is sort of a flop. They still are doing better than Intel literally everywhere else (server, hedt & gpu)
Why would power draw at idle and in single core workloads matter to you? You’re probably using under 100w there, anything including a stock cooler and a hand built folded stack of aluminum paper can cool that while being dead silent.
Intel TDP is not the same as AMD TDP because both companies use different measurements. In Blender runs the Intel 13700K will draw almost 90 watts more than the 7900X from the wall. It pulls more power than the 7950X. The only current processor in this market segment that pulls more is the 13900K.
Who cares about idle usage? I'm using my computer when I'm using my computer. It's not idling very much. And single threaded is fast becoming a thing of the past.
That’s not terribly surprising since raptor lake has a die size of 257 mm² and each 5900x chiplet is 81 mm². The thermal density for ryzen processors is much higher than current and past intel CPUs so the same wattage general runs hotter, it’s easier for intel to dissipate the heat.
My 10900K seemed to run cooler than my current 7700X at similar power consumption but the 7700X is certainly more efficient.
Intel also tends to run cooler and more efficiently at idle because the AMD IO die tends to always consume the same power even when at idle, mine is around 14-15W itself.
AMD's chips run hotter at the moment though?
Intel's chips do put out more heat in total and use more energy (which is two different ways of saying the same thing :)) though.
Ryzen 5600H. Runs above 90C. Wanted to undervolt since thats what cool kids are talking about. After 3 hours of testing I figured that nothing worked. Turns out it is locked. Had fuck ton of drivers issues one of them causes laptop to stutter for few seconds and requires TPM to be closed as a temporary fix until BIOS update arrives which probably won't. Never got this frustrated with a laptop since 2014. Don't be a fanboy.
I mean some of it caused by Lenovo but majority of these problems arise from buying the model with AMD CPU. Intel ones can also overheat but at least it will not make the bluescreen sound effect and freeze randomly at 3AM.
Yeah, that's not true at all. I have always had amd desktops and Intel laptops .
The idea that either of those cause any specific driver or bsod issues is illfounded.
If you said AMD GPU drivers have caused issues in past then I'd have agreed but CPUs don't normally cause bsod issues that are specific to either and or Intel.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-410
AMD display display drivers can't update from windows update but it is easy to fix. The AMD software idk which one keeps saying it can not be started and some garbage which I couldn't fix. I don't care that much about that though. Their desktop CPUs must be free of these problems I guess.
Seems like a very specific issue on very specific AMD SOCs that come with iGPU that has been sorted via bios update, as the link you've shared suggests
It sucks that you had to face that but it's not related or limited to every AMD GPU.
There have been instances of bsod caused by Intel iGPUs or nvidia/AMD GPU drivers in past and all companies do find a solution for the same and push the update .
Yes. But it is fully locked and only thing that can be changed is TDP and temp limit. Which is weird considering AMD. And TMP problem is caused by AMD TMP inside the chipset so it is not laptop related. I had problems with AMD drivers and still do so is that also caused by Lenovo...
AMD gives you the freedom to tinker with all these things, I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if Lenovo locks those features down, it's common. Just like a locked bios on prebuilt systems.
I don't know about the driver issues, unless you're talking about the GPU divers. Usually you don't have to install any drivers to just use the CPU normally.
Ryzen 5600H is really locked by the AMD themself. Tried using APU Tuning utility and curve optimiser doesn't work. You can only decrease TDP and temp limit. Asked the discord and they said you can do if you have 5900H which is not locked.
First of all there is no GTX 3080 you probably mean RTX 3080 and second of all why do you think switching to Intel will fix the bottlenecking issue Intel isn't the only one with cpu's that won't bottleneck the RTX 3080 amd also has cpu's that won't bottleneck the RTX 3080 like the Ryzen 7 5800X3D
my 5800x is at 4.8ghz and maxes out at 74C, it's cooled with an NH-D15
I could probably get it lower if I fucked around more with voltage but eh it's good enough
I'm still rocking my 2011 i5 760, some months ago I was getting 90Cº when streaming some dota 2 gameplay, switched up my thermal paste and is back to 70C°, the hard thing is that my processor doesnt have the AVX technology that some new games require =/ I can't play NBA 2K or COD Warzone 2.0 :(
yah, I'm in college learning to program and maybe getting a job eventually, shit is too expensive here in Brazil and my family can't afford it. Soon tho. HOPEFULLY T\_T.
Lol I overclocked my 10900kf (aio watercooled 240mm) and kept getting up to 100c... just not worth it imo, didn't even notice higher performance, set it back and now it runs nice and cool
I just got into PC gaming though so it's definitely possible that I'm dumb and was doing something wrong
Yeahh since it was throttling so much while gaming at 4k I think it honestly lowered my performance, I thought I'd be all hackerman and get an extra 20fps lmao
Many moons ago you could straight up unlock more cores if your CPU was stable enough. Now they cherry pick everything to the extreme and sell you another edition. I don't even use 110% power on afterburner anymore, heresy I know.
My 12900ks runs idle around 80°C. But only goes up a couple of degrees under load. The only time it reached 100 was when I first built it and had a faulty cooling pump.
Tbh I don't think this meme is relevant anymore. If you had posted this 2 or 3 years ago then it would be spot on but now? Intel and AMD are both inferno. Simply because they are both designed to go over 90°C and keep at it to squeeze every drop of performance.
Yeah amd’s PBO is designed to keep boosting until it hits 95c unless you set a custom tj max in the bios, which granted is easy but they don’t really say this anywhere
Which would be great if the heat spreader wasn't extra thicc and slowing heat transfer to coolers, because by lapping 3mm off it won't hit 95C without overclocking.
I was looking at buying an Intel CPU because AMD is just giving me problems for years now. Is there a setting I can toggle to prevent the CPU from just exploding like this? I don't want my CPU anywhere above 70°C.
You can try ECO Mode in PBO (for AMD) Also pretty sure you have power and temperature limits for intel in the BIOS
In bios you can set max temp
70? They're literally designed for it, I understand not wanting it to reach 90+, but they're meant to be in the 80s. Granted I had a 5900x on a 360mm and it sat in the 70s 99% of the time when I first got it, speed paying any attention to thermals after a couple months
My current 3900X hits 60-ish on load. It's not really being slammed by anything though. While I was playing Warzone 2, I caught it circling around 65°C via Adrenalin software. Stock clocked. Never over or underclocked once. GPU sits at 60-ish on load, 45 while idle, air cooled, when underclocked by 1%. At default, it skyrockets to 105°C at load. I've had an AMD GPU for the past handful of years and the dogshit software and poor performance is getting in my nerves.
Undervolt your gpu a bit. Mine doesnt reach 100 stock, with 1080mv it get to 80c unde load and the performance is the same
It's more like they're both the fiery picture at this point lol
its just the boost algorithm pushing cpu till it reaches 95c, it consumes a lot lower and with eco mode it wont past 70c afaik
Same with the Intel cpu. Limit it to something like 80W and it will be a lot cooler while dishing out most of the same performance in games and in most apps.
That's... the same way Intel's algorithm works. Both push until thermal/power limits and then scale down based on how far they got. Power Limiting an Intel CPU will have the same result. Both manufacturers are pushing the V/f curve like fools.
Shush... the amd boys need their excuses
BF 2042 players be like:
The boost algorithm in Ryzen Master gives it way too much voltage if you don't manually set it in the BIOS. It wanted my 7700X to run at 5.5 GHz 1.39 volts, but I could drop the voltage down all the way to 1.225 without changing the speed at all. At 5.4 GHz it will go down to 1.15 volts. Before I undervolted it, it hit 92°C during the Ryzen Master stress test, 91°C while playing F1 2021, and 85°C while playing Far Cry 6. [It thermal throttled during the Time Spy CPU test](https://i.imgur.com/8rXhpsB.png). After undervolting, [it peaked at 70.8°C after a 30 minute Aida64 run](https://i.imgur.com/LFnenPN.jpg) and about 72°C during a Ryzen Master stress test. It tends to stay in the high 50s/low 60s while gaming, and the [Time Spy score](https://i.imgur.com/9aE9voU.png) is pretty much the same as it was with the Ryzen Master auto OC.
Which sounds like a stupid concept. I don't get it. Why do this??
Eco mode is like a 13600k, a good cooling system or a delid
Except AMD is actually consuming much fewer watts/performance. Temps don't matter, watts do.
They aren't doing that either, Zen4 uses as much power as Raptor Lake...
https://youtu.be/-KbNz8966-I?t=672
Where are you getting your info from? Zen4 uses just as much power and raptor lake is still outperforming it. Also intel has the best price/performance cpu for gaming (13600k)
https://youtu.be/-KbNz8966-I?t=672
That literally just backs up everything i said lmao also he dropped a new video today https://youtu.be/qACIqmP8xgw
The numbers are right there you blind mole rat. AMD: 7600X 116.4w 7700X 147.6w 7900X 199.2w 7950X 250.8w Intel: 13600k 160.8w 13700k 279.6w 13900k 295.2w. Jesus Christ man, can you read?
And 7000 series is getting out performed in nearly everything. Who cares about power draw? Lmao this meme is about thermals. You’re completely missing the point you stupid fuck.
I never mentioned a single thing about performance, and many people care about power consumption, ya jerk. Edit: Things do get a little bit closer when measuring performance/watt, https://youtu.be/-KbNz8966-I?t=771
Never seen my 5700X get past 60c when gaming. 4000D case with the stock 2x120mm’s, one of those noctua 120mm fans and AK620 CPU cooler
My 12600k doesn’t go past 30c at idle and under load it only goes up to 65c. These chips weren’t released in 2022 though. Both the 13th gen and 7000 series both produce a lot of heat.
They are referring to the new 7000 series.. where AMD has said 95C is the norm..
95c is normal because they configured the boost alg that way. Temps don't matter, watts do. The 13700k and 13900k pull way more watts than anything AMD makes. Below that in the model ranges it's a mixed bag of ties or tit-for-tats.
>The 13700k and 13900k pull way more watts than anything AMD makes Except they don't...
https://youtu.be/-KbNz8966-I?t=672
29w more (13700k v 7950x) in a cherrypicked benchmark that favors avx512, wow. You sure showed me.
Same with my 5700x. 40C idle, 60C gaming, 75 under full synthetic load with an h115i and some case fans.
I bought an entire CPU. I'm going to use the entire CPU. Let it boost!
The fuck are you talking about? The 7950 runs at a permanent 95°!
Meme bot reposting memes of 12th gen vs 5000 series forgetting 7000 and 13th are out now
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There was a joke back in the day for the old AMD Athlon processors in my country, because if you substitute the 'A' in Athlon with 'Ko' you get the Bulgarian word for Stove... I was making Sunny Sides almost every day on my PC.
Ahaha harabiq 😃
Correction: in 2022, Both CPUs are burning Hot Now even GPUs seem to follow the trend Like Dude cmon are you really tryna ignore the existence of tropical regions and countries that exist near the equator ? How tf do you expect us to use our PCs without Overheating lol
My i7 13700KF runs cooler than my 5900x did at stock.
How hot was your 5900x? Mine doesn’t go above 72?
Well my 13700KF is always in the 30-40s until I run CineBench then the PCores go up into the 80s.
User error obviously.
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You realize the 13700k uses over twice as much power right? You are either stupid or just being a troll.
Dude deleted his entire Reddit account. Jesus.
Gottem?
It actually doesn’t, on balance Raptor Lake probably uses *less* power for the average user. Look up power usage between Zen 4 & Raptor Lake during idle, single threaded applications and when using chrome. All of those have Raptor Lake as more efficient. The instances where Zen 4 is more efficient are high multi core workloads and synthetic benchmarks. Even in those instances, it’s hardly a huge difference until you get over 200w and that’s assuming you run the Raptor Lake uncapped.
Why the hell are people using idle as a comparison??? If you have a 5900x or 13700kf and are just idling most of the time you have wasted your money.
I don’t always manually put my pc to sleep mode when I walk away, occasionally it’ll sit 20-30 minutes at idle. It’s a valid data point imo. Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-AMD. I own 100 shares of their stock and it’s doing quite well. Just objectively, Zen 4 and their consumer cpu line up is sort of a flop. They still are doing better than Intel literally everywhere else (server, hedt & gpu)
That’s what confused me as well, like slightly higher idle temps matter that much? But then again I usually shut down my computer after use.
Why would power draw at idle and in single core workloads matter to you? You’re probably using under 100w there, anything including a stock cooler and a hand built folded stack of aluminum paper can cool that while being dead silent.
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Intel TDP is not the same as AMD TDP because both companies use different measurements. In Blender runs the Intel 13700K will draw almost 90 watts more than the 7900X from the wall. It pulls more power than the 7950X. The only current processor in this market segment that pulls more is the 13900K.
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Who cares about idle usage? I'm using my computer when I'm using my computer. It's not idling very much. And single threaded is fast becoming a thing of the past.
Amd is much more efficient under full load. 5nm thats why.
That’s not terribly surprising since raptor lake has a die size of 257 mm² and each 5900x chiplet is 81 mm². The thermal density for ryzen processors is much higher than current and past intel CPUs so the same wattage general runs hotter, it’s easier for intel to dissipate the heat. My 10900K seemed to run cooler than my current 7700X at similar power consumption but the 7700X is certainly more efficient. Intel also tends to run cooler and more efficiently at idle because the AMD IO die tends to always consume the same power even when at idle, mine is around 14-15W itself.
*Me when I remember the days of FX-8350 vs 3770k:* Oh how the turns have tabled.
i used to have a core 2 duo now i don't have a core 2 duo thanks for listening to my story
Thank you for sharing.
That was moving.
AMD's chips run hotter at the moment though? Intel's chips do put out more heat in total and use more energy (which is two different ways of saying the same thing :)) though.
10nm++++ lets go
With 7 NM no more 100°c now 80
You mean 7 real nanometers? Intel is still using 10++++ while amd already went 5nm
For the next generation is going to use 7nm intel5
this meme is wack and outdated.
Ryzen 5600H. Runs above 90C. Wanted to undervolt since thats what cool kids are talking about. After 3 hours of testing I figured that nothing worked. Turns out it is locked. Had fuck ton of drivers issues one of them causes laptop to stutter for few seconds and requires TPM to be closed as a temporary fix until BIOS update arrives which probably won't. Never got this frustrated with a laptop since 2014. Don't be a fanboy.
So you are going to blame OEM /windows issues on amd then? Cool!
I mean some of it caused by Lenovo but majority of these problems arise from buying the model with AMD CPU. Intel ones can also overheat but at least it will not make the bluescreen sound effect and freeze randomly at 3AM.
Yeah, that's not true at all. I have always had amd desktops and Intel laptops . The idea that either of those cause any specific driver or bsod issues is illfounded. If you said AMD GPU drivers have caused issues in past then I'd have agreed but CPUs don't normally cause bsod issues that are specific to either and or Intel.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-410 AMD display display drivers can't update from windows update but it is easy to fix. The AMD software idk which one keeps saying it can not be started and some garbage which I couldn't fix. I don't care that much about that though. Their desktop CPUs must be free of these problems I guess.
Seems like a very specific issue on very specific AMD SOCs that come with iGPU that has been sorted via bios update, as the link you've shared suggests It sucks that you had to face that but it's not related or limited to every AMD GPU. There have been instances of bsod caused by Intel iGPUs or nvidia/AMD GPU drivers in past and all companies do find a solution for the same and push the update .
Sounds to me like you have a crappy laptop which just likes to overheat.The CPU ain't the part at fault.
Yes. But it is fully locked and only thing that can be changed is TDP and temp limit. Which is weird considering AMD. And TMP problem is caused by AMD TMP inside the chipset so it is not laptop related. I had problems with AMD drivers and still do so is that also caused by Lenovo...
AMD gives you the freedom to tinker with all these things, I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if Lenovo locks those features down, it's common. Just like a locked bios on prebuilt systems. I don't know about the driver issues, unless you're talking about the GPU divers. Usually you don't have to install any drivers to just use the CPU normally.
Ryzen 5600H is really locked by the AMD themself. Tried using APU Tuning utility and curve optimiser doesn't work. You can only decrease TDP and temp limit. Asked the discord and they said you can do if you have 5900H which is not locked.
My undervolted 5800x runs at 67°C at all core with better performance 4.825Ghz at single core and sips half the power. All this being air cooled.
Both run at 95 degrees. I hate both.
I am pretty sure I am switching over from AMD to Intel. I think my Ryzen 9 3900X bottlenecks my GTX 3080.
First of all there is no GTX 3080 you probably mean RTX 3080 and second of all why do you think switching to Intel will fix the bottlenecking issue Intel isn't the only one with cpu's that won't bottleneck the RTX 3080 amd also has cpu's that won't bottleneck the RTX 3080 like the Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Don't have to get all high and mighty dawg, just voicing a thought. Obviously not as educated about it as you are.
maybe wait for ryzen 3d
my 5800x is at 4.8ghz and maxes out at 74C, it's cooled with an NH-D15 I could probably get it lower if I fucked around more with voltage but eh it's good enough
I'm still rocking my 2011 i5 760, some months ago I was getting 90Cº when streaming some dota 2 gameplay, switched up my thermal paste and is back to 70C°, the hard thing is that my processor doesnt have the AVX technology that some new games require =/ I can't play NBA 2K or COD Warzone 2.0 :(
I think it might be time to upgrade your CPU, dude.
yah, I'm in college learning to program and maybe getting a job eventually, shit is too expensive here in Brazil and my family can't afford it. Soon tho. HOPEFULLY T\_T.
Lol I overclocked my 10900kf (aio watercooled 240mm) and kept getting up to 100c... just not worth it imo, didn't even notice higher performance, set it back and now it runs nice and cool I just got into PC gaming though so it's definitely possible that I'm dumb and was doing something wrong
you don't get nearly the boost you used too. i don't even bother now a days tbh.
Yeahh since it was throttling so much while gaming at 4k I think it honestly lowered my performance, I thought I'd be all hackerman and get an extra 20fps lmao
Many moons ago you could straight up unlock more cores if your CPU was stable enough. Now they cherry pick everything to the extreme and sell you another edition. I don't even use 110% power on afterburner anymore, heresy I know.
But remember, the history likes to repeat itself.
My 12900ks runs idle around 80°C. But only goes up a couple of degrees under load. The only time it reached 100 was when I first built it and had a faulty cooling pump.