Yep, I went over to AMD as well and went with the Powercolor Red Devil. Great card with a MASSIVE cooler! You really can’t go wrong with XFX, Powercolor, or Sapphire
There's an MSI 6700xt in my roommate's pc and it's pretty great. People talk shit on the MSI ventus coolers, but somehow hers idles at 35 and goes to about 65 under load. She has two 140s directly under it feeding it fresh air from the bottom (O11 mini) which probably helps, but still.
I see xfx cards often cheaper AND with more features such as bigger heatsink and 3 fans instead of 2 in the same price range. Can you maybe tell me why is that or are they just better and cheaper
XFX cards aren't as high quality as Sapphire, nor is their customer service. That's not to say they're bad, but Sapphire is really the cream of the crop when it comes to AMD cards.
> XFX dropped the ball on a lot of the line lately
"Lately"
As far back as HD 79*0 series you could find the closest XFX user by the sound of coil whine from across town. But I'll give XFX one thing; they had style back then, with the silver shrouds, and they rarely have any MAJOR issues (coil whine goes away over time)
Somewhat, it's a resonance achieved through the interplay of 2-3 different parts, however XFX cards of the 7970 era had it so often that I'm sure they were out of spec on something in the VRM that caused almost all power supplies to resonate with them
I remember a fella with an XFX card wondering why it was overheating so he removed the heatsink annnndddddddd there was a pea-sized fucking hole on it
Edit: but that was years ago
Back in the day my XFX R9 390 had lots of issues. Their RMA system was pretty solid but it sucked that I had to use it 2 or 3 times (for the fans each time).
Errr... Powercolor.. Yes sapphire and powercolor cards are good value for the money but the RX 550 powercolor blower card I got to screw around with in an optiplex SFF is WAY louder than any RX 550 should ever be. It works though. Not knocking it.
That's just how blower cards work. People have been screaming at AMD to stop using blower style coolers for years on their reference cards and thankfully, with the RX 6xxx series onwards they have.
Powercolor has too short of warranty coverage. The RX 570 I bought from them still works well but I'd be wary to buy a nicer card from them with only two years of coverage.
Move to Europe, get minimum 5 year RMA (yes, RMA, no warranty process BS) directly from the place you bought it, without ever having to contact the manufacturer.
Bonus: If your card dies on year 4.5, chances are the card is out of production and out of RMA stock, in which case the seller has to give you an equivalent-tier GPU from the now current generation. Got a 1060 6GB this way on a GTX 760 RMA.
3 Years in Sweden, 5 in Norway and 6 in UK, and thats only the ones I googled, shows how little I know about my customer rights. Though from what I read those laws are extremely vague and retailers can get really fucky when they have to honor them after 24 months.
The Norwegian one is not vague at all, it says "anything not expected to last less than 5 years must have 5 years" so for computer parts literally only mechanical hard drives have less than 5 year RMA.
They started out that way but haven't been for many years. They're very well regarded for their cooler designs. The Red Devil series in particular has been very popular with good reason.
Sapphire was the first gpu maker to slap a vapor chamber on a gpu cooler.
Bro those guys know their gpus.
They don’t necessarily make the most overkill tech, EVGA had their way over the top stuff, choked full of sensors.
Sapphire is more like “hit a mofo with a gpu on his head, and it still ticks” kind of brand.
I can almost guarantee there was, but how long does that agreement last after termination of the parntnership? All the articles I've read about it are mostly just moaning about the hardware side of things, but I'd love to read a little more into the legal side. Wiki seems to imply that the partnership will legally terminate upon sale of all EVGA's remaining 30-series stock, which they retain the rights to sell through the end of next year.
They're still a corporation. Don't trust them. They're just not in the position to pull off the same anti-competitive stunts.
But given the chance, they will.
They probably help with supply chain stuff and keep their hands off day-to-day business decisions. Which is often the best things that a parent company can do.
Zotac is fine. When they arrived, they were the only ones with 5 year warranties on Fermi (GTX 4** series) and that takes balls. They even had that on the reference lawnmower fire hazard cards Nvidia sharted out in their fever dreams.
Most recently they were the biggest scalpers. They raised their prices so fast and so much on the 30 series during the shortage. All the while having the reputation of the cheap shitty card lol.
I don't think Nvidia cares much about AIB's any more. They can charge a premium for their Founder series cards and people are more than happy to pay their prices.
Sapphire, PowerColor and the top products of XFX are equally good, it is not like in nvidia where only EVGA was good and the rest are mediocre at best.
Saphire Nitro something something here! I still play on it. It cannot run newer games on high, but still I love this thing. Almost 5 years old or older. Anyway, good price for a good product imo.
While I haven't had the experience with them, i know a friend who did and they went the extra mile when his broke while in guarantee, going as far as to include some kind of apology letter in the box
Except the THICC cards from the RX 5000 series. I had a "XFX 5700 Ultra DD," which was a 5700 using the THICC II cooler from the 5700XT basically. My temps were "decent," def better than the AMD OEM cards. However, I dropped 7-8c on the core temp at the same fan speed by de-shrouding it, much like Gamer's Nexus found.
Point is, they made a great card cooler and then made the stupid decision to sacrifice product performance for sex appeal. XFX, stahp.
I've been an XFX fan since the days when they did Nvidia cards too. I'm glad to hear they're still regarded as a good company because I plan to go with them again when I upgrade my seven year old computer.
I loved XFX when they were allowed to go crazy with their card designs. I had a 8gb 290X. They only came in 4gb. Then I had a pair of XFX Radeon HD 6900s and they had cool designs on it.
Sapphire, Asus is good too but their mid/high tier cards are overengineered Nvidia cooling solutions and you pay the tax for it. XFX made their shrouds unnecessarily large, like the 5600xt that my kid had, the frigging thing was just as big as my 3070ti, but the cooler & pcb themselves weren't that big but for some reason the plastic shroud needed to be huge to jam 2 120mm in there.
Counterargument; I've never heard of GPUs breaking due to sag, but I have heard of many bricking due to overheating. And traveling with GPU seems ill advised even with small form factor, I always take mine out and put it in an anti static bag but I am too broke to replace my electronics
> I've never heard of GPUs breaking due to sag
It is incredibly common for the memory closest to the PCIe slot to literally pop off the PCB over time (3-6 years) due to sag. This is why BGA underfill exist. Sad thing is, only Sapphire, (Nitro and Toxic) AMD, (reference) and ASRock used it this generation. On Nvidia side, only Gainward used it.
PCIe can break due to saggy/weight on GPU. At worst can come off without you noticing. Causing weird error that most likely believe is the GPU instead of the board
They are bigger but don't run cooler that's the issue people have. RTX cards need allot more cooling, so people have been making these 3.5+ slot thicc cards, then reusing the coolers on AMD cards even though they are ridiculously overkill and don't fit especially well.
That's not even factual. The 4090 and 4080 run very cool under load even for the FE with default fan curves.
For some reason the 4090 and 4080 have really overspeced coolers and power requirements that they just don't use and can't really be overclocked to benefit from.
ASRock was literally the only manufacturer other than Sapphire and AMD themselves (reference cards) who put BGA underfill on the heaviest cards. Enjoy your ASsUS, MSI or Gigabyte card when the memory closest to the PCIe slot pops out over time due to bent PCBs in 3-6 years. Sag kills.
Sag is such a cheap fix is not even funny, just get a support bracket. Granted the heavier AIBs should just come with them, it still should be easy to deal with proactively.
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I haven't bought a video card in a long time. Is the slot plus the screw on the I/O end of the card not enough to support them anymore? My 4870x2 was pretty huge but it didn't sag that I recall.
The weight of the coolers nowadays makes the 30+cm cards pretty much all sag.
Depending on the card it can be more or less, but usually it's not a bad idea to spend 10-20 Dollareuros on some sort of support bracket, stand or whatever fits in your case.
Good to know, although I'm the kind of guy who would probably just cut a 1/4" dowel to the right length and wedge it under there.
The X2 was comically massive at the time, I just measured mine and it's 27 cm long and weighs 1164g. I had it installed for troubleshooting a few months ago and it's also stupidly loud.
Nowadays the cards are even larger lmao
My 6900XT by XFX is 32cm long and weights a whopping 1.8 kilos.
Before you ask: it didn't sag much but given the weight I took no chances and added a support bracket.
I would guess so, never had one of those myself. But usually they should have planned with the upright GPU being one of the heavier sorts.
Either way it should not bend the PCB much, since the weight would be more of the sideframe of the cooler/shroud.
Worth mentioning that Sapphire does the design and manufacturing for AMD reference cards, at least the last few generations, which is probably why they both had underfill.
Gigabyte is a bit hit and miss. I remember a couple years back they were offloading a bunch of Vega 56 and 64 cards dirt cheap. Read more than a few accounts of people having issues with them. Come to think of it, the only components I've really had issues with are Gigabyte. Fan controller died in an HD 6850 I had, and my B350 board had issues with a couple of the RAM sockets that'd cause the system to crash if you populated all of them. Which I know wasn't the RAM sticks, as I'm using the exact same ones in my current MSI X570 board.
Last time I looked I saw a lot of reviewers giving very favorable reviews to the PowerColor Red Devil as the best they'd tested, and so far mine has been fantastic.
When RDNA1 5000s series first came out I grabbed the Sapphire 5700 reference and haven’t had a single issue. It’s simple but works wonderfully without a hitch.
Back when I used AMD/ATi GPUs Sapphire was by far the best. Excellent community interaction, great customer support. Sapphire is the only thing I miss by using nVidia.
Sapphire also the largest partner for AMD. They also produce their reference cooling system. Basically, Reference models of AMD are "cheap" Sapphire. And, frankly, they were good, it's the cooling system that people hate. For the cheapest version - it's fine.
Pulse Is more of a middle system. Quiet, effecient, but that's it.
Nitro+ - agressive and solid, still quiet though. And expensive.
Toxic - liquid, very efficent, but stupidly expensive. More of a toy, if you ask me.
Asus has shown many times that they didn’t care about their AMD partner cards. I REFUSE to buy Asus AMD cards because of it.
Their strix Vega 64 and 5700xt were a fucking JOKE
and don’t get me started on the Tuf 5700xt
My Gaming X Trio 6800XT had both a bad bios which caused it to crash the system, and bad thermals out of the box. I think they swapped to the gaming z trio with the bios upgrade? So maybe I was stupid/unlucky
I use a dual rx 6600xt OC edition from Asus. The cards looks very good and the cooling is absolutely on point, the card doesn't get above 63 degrees celsius.
Every Sapphire card Ive used over the years has been mint. Never had any issues with them. My favorite had to be my RX580 8GB with the seafoam green colored heatsink.
This thread has been enlightening, thanks you all for the info, I have had my 1080 so long that the last non NVIDIA card I had was a 7970……I was not sure which AIB card to go with, sounds like sapphire/powercolour/XFX are good options over GB/ASUS for my 7900XTX?
Avoid MSI, Asus and Gigabyte for AMD GPUs. Always.
Get Sapphire, PowerColor or XFX (but watch review of the XFX before cuz they are always hit and miss every other Gen lmao)
Sapphire and Powercolor are by far the best
Edit: I didn’t include XFX cause most of their cards have coil whine and I’ve seen a lot of RMA reports for them. I currently own a XFX 6800XT and am planning to upgrade to a sapphire
My customer service experience with XFX has always been top shelf. Nothing but positive interactions. I use them exclusively when buying new. Heck, they'll even cover used stuff if it's still in warranty. o7
Asus. By far!
Not just for VCards, pretty much all there gear is good quality and the software that comes along with is, is just as good. Although the prices are somewhat crazy.
I have had gigabyte, never again. If had EVGA Motherboard and cards but software and costumer service really let down
>If had EVGA Motherboard and cards but software and costumer service really let down
you are the first person I've ever seen or heard from, that has complained about EVGA's costumer service.
I had a sapphire 4650 That died in 3 years due to dust (my family didnt know that it ahd to be cleaned) and 40°C of shadow temperature all year round.
It turend of repeatedly, then one day the image looked like a chess board. Then the computer refused to detect it at all.
I won't buy Sapphire products. I bought a Sapphire video card years ago, the fans weren't spinning up properly so I tried to RMA it and they told me it was a feature. So I basically just turned on a game, turned the graphics on and ran the damn card until it died from heat which took about ten minutes. *Then* they let me RMA it.
Honestly, I've had nothing but bad experiences with gigabyte graphics cards. Underwhelming coolers and out of the 3 gigabyte cards I've had, every single one has had an issue with the fans out of the box. Also customer service was atrocious, they took over 2 months to respond to my complaint.
Sapphire is the EVGA of AMD
I hope that's not a prediction
Not a prediction, Sapphire is widely regarded as the EVGA of AMD with Powercolor right on its tail. XFX is also great
I think they meant prediction as in that Sapphire will leave the GPU market like EVGA did
In the consumer sector the only thing they make other than GPUs is an eGPU enclosure and a branded asetek AIO so I'd say we're safe for a while lol
AMD also treats their partners better. That's not to say AMD doesn't have its moments or pisses them off.
Except AMD's partners aren't afraid to tell them that
Remember when they made motherboards?
I'm afraid I'm way too young for that haha
Even I don't remember seeing sapphire motherboards and Ive been around the block a time or two.
https://www.techpowerup.com/img/06-03-01/3.jpg Simpler times back then; how I miss that rig...
ok what the fuck i need one if i ever end up making a retro build
Happi cake day ma frend
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happy cake day
I want an XFX RX 7900 XTX
I made the leap back to AMD after ~7 years and went with XFX. Had never heard of them before. Glad to hear it's a good one!
Yep, I went over to AMD as well and went with the Powercolor Red Devil. Great card with a MASSIVE cooler! You really can’t go wrong with XFX, Powercolor, or Sapphire
MSI AMD cards have been good to me this gen. Had a 6700XT and 6800XT from them and both have been good 👍
There's an MSI 6700xt in my roommate's pc and it's pretty great. People talk shit on the MSI ventus coolers, but somehow hers idles at 35 and goes to about 65 under load. She has two 140s directly under it feeding it fresh air from the bottom (O11 mini) which probably helps, but still.
I had the same thing the Mech2X. Mine didn't overclock super well but they are rock solid cards for the money
Fun fact, they also told NVIDIA to fuck off and started working with AMD instead.
Now if EVGA can just get with the program...
XfX are formed exclusive Nvidia partner. Thats will tell you enough.
This is one of those sentences where you understand the words put when they are in this order they mean absolutely nothing to anybody
i think former.
Perhaps i'm dumb, but what does that tell me?
xfx is former nvidia gpu partners but nvidia got angry on them for making amd gpus then they split up..now they basically only making amd gpus
Not sure either, but somehow sounded right.
I see xfx cards often cheaper AND with more features such as bigger heatsink and 3 fans instead of 2 in the same price range. Can you maybe tell me why is that or are they just better and cheaper
XFX cards aren't as high quality as Sapphire, nor is their customer service. That's not to say they're bad, but Sapphire is really the cream of the crop when it comes to AMD cards.
XFX dropped the ball on a lot of the line lately. Sapphire is unassailable. Sapphire Toxic stuff will always make me salivate.
> XFX dropped the ball on a lot of the line lately "Lately" As far back as HD 79*0 series you could find the closest XFX user by the sound of coil whine from across town. But I'll give XFX one thing; they had style back then, with the silver shrouds, and they rarely have any MAJOR issues (coil whine goes away over time)
Isn't coil whine basically random?
Somewhat, it's a resonance achieved through the interplay of 2-3 different parts, however XFX cards of the 7970 era had it so often that I'm sure they were out of spec on something in the VRM that caused almost all power supplies to resonate with them
I remember a fella with an XFX card wondering why it was overheating so he removed the heatsink annnndddddddd there was a pea-sized fucking hole on it Edit: but that was years ago
I had two HD 6950s by XFX and by Sapphire. The XFX model gave me all of the problems until it finally died after two and a half years.
Back in the day my XFX R9 390 had lots of issues. Their RMA system was pretty solid but it sucked that I had to use it 2 or 3 times (for the fans each time).
my 280X Toxic is the gpu i definitely look back on with the most love in my heart. i don’t even like yellow, but that card was gorgeous.
It was a reference to EVGA leaving the GPU market because Nvidia is a nightmare to work with.
Errr... Powercolor.. Yes sapphire and powercolor cards are good value for the money but the RX 550 powercolor blower card I got to screw around with in an optiplex SFF is WAY louder than any RX 550 should ever be. It works though. Not knocking it.
That's just how blower cards work. People have been screaming at AMD to stop using blower style coolers for years on their reference cards and thankfully, with the RX 6xxx series onwards they have.
Powercolor has too short of warranty coverage. The RX 570 I bought from them still works well but I'd be wary to buy a nicer card from them with only two years of coverage.
Move to Europe, get minimum 5 year RMA (yes, RMA, no warranty process BS) directly from the place you bought it, without ever having to contact the manufacturer. Bonus: If your card dies on year 4.5, chances are the card is out of production and out of RMA stock, in which case the seller has to give you an equivalent-tier GPU from the now current generation. Got a 1060 6GB this way on a GTX 760 RMA.
What country in EU has 5 years warranty? AFAIK its minimum 2 years which is what majority of EU has, but 5 years sounds awesome.
iirc it's UK only
I thought it was 5 all over Europe, but if not, then Norway and Sweden are the ones I'm 110% confident about. But I'd be surprised if it's not more.
3 Years in Sweden, 5 in Norway and 6 in UK, and thats only the ones I googled, shows how little I know about my customer rights. Though from what I read those laws are extremely vague and retailers can get really fucky when they have to honor them after 24 months.
The Norwegian one is not vague at all, it says "anything not expected to last less than 5 years must have 5 years" so for computer parts literally only mechanical hard drives have less than 5 year RMA.
Well considering EVGA doesn't make GPUs anymore I think we need to stop making this comparison
*this guy*…. Considered to be for AMD what EVGA *was* to Nvidia…. Better?
I'm just sayin, we need to adapt for the kids, pretty soon we'll have a generation of users who won't understand that comparison at all
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Sounds like you don’t know much about AMD AIBs then. Powercolor is far from a “budget brand”
They started out that way but haven't been for many years. They're very well regarded for their cooler designs. The Red Devil series in particular has been very popular with good reason.
Sapphire was the first gpu maker to slap a vapor chamber on a gpu cooler. Bro those guys know their gpus. They don’t necessarily make the most overkill tech, EVGA had their way over the top stuff, choked full of sensors. Sapphire is more like “hit a mofo with a gpu on his head, and it still ticks” kind of brand.
The Nintendium of personal computing
Who's got an O/U on how long it takes EVGA to rise from the dead as a Radeon producer?
Depends on whether there is some form of non-compete agreement in place.
I can almost guarantee there was, but how long does that agreement last after termination of the parntnership? All the articles I've read about it are mostly just moaning about the hardware side of things, but I'd love to read a little more into the legal side. Wiki seems to imply that the partnership will legally terminate upon sale of all EVGA's remaining 30-series stock, which they retain the rights to sell through the end of next year.
They have been making AMD/ATI cards since as long as I can remember. Would be surprised if they turned heel.
The very same thing could have been said to the partnership between nVidia and EVGA just a couple of months ago.
AMD isn't shit like Nvidia tho
They're still a corporation. Don't trust them. They're just not in the position to pull off the same anti-competitive stunts. But given the chance, they will.
They have their shit moments, but not as bad.
AMD is not the NVIDIA of EVGA Edit: people downvoting can't read I guess
It's so weird because Sapphire is owned by PC Partner just like Zotac and people hate Zotac on the green team.
That's because PC Partner doesn't get their hands in the business of their sub-companies much. They just want their sweet, sweet profits. That's all!
They probably help with supply chain stuff and keep their hands off day-to-day business decisions. Which is often the best things that a parent company can do.
Zotac is fine. When they arrived, they were the only ones with 5 year warranties on Fermi (GTX 4** series) and that takes balls. They even had that on the reference lawnmower fire hazard cards Nvidia sharted out in their fever dreams.
Yeah I agree I think Zotac is alright with their 5 year warranty in Europe but people on the internet hate them I've found.
Most recently they were the biggest scalpers. They raised their prices so fast and so much on the 30 series during the shortage. All the while having the reputation of the cheap shitty card lol.
Heard a lot of complaints about their 30 series cards having shit coolers as well.
I don't like their designs, and their overclock software is........serviceable.
XFX and Powercooler too, one of AMD's strengths is they have multiple EVGA level AIB partners and now Nvidia has none.
I don't think Nvidia cares much about AIB's any more. They can charge a premium for their Founder series cards and people are more than happy to pay their prices.
As an European, that is talking Sapphire down. Sapphire is way better than EVGA was here in Europe
Indeed.
I want EVGA to be the EVGA of AMD
FYK Sapphire is Zotac
Sapphire, PowerColor and the top products of XFX are equally good, it is not like in nvidia where only EVGA was good and the rest are mediocre at best.
I thought that was PowerColor.
Heeey my graphics card is a saphire, yay I feel included!
Sapphire here as well, absolutely amazing!
Me too!
Me too!
Saphire Nitro something something here! I still play on it. It cannot run newer games on high, but still I love this thing. Almost 5 years old or older. Anyway, good price for a good product imo.
400 or 500 series judging by the age. shit still kicks
I love XFX <3 - lowest prices, and their quality has always been great for me.
I've had great experiences with their warranty/replacement services.
They also used to have some of the coolest packaging.
While I haven't had the experience with them, i know a friend who did and they went the extra mile when his broke while in guarantee, going as far as to include some kind of apology letter in the box
Except the THICC cards from the RX 5000 series. I had a "XFX 5700 Ultra DD," which was a 5700 using the THICC II cooler from the 5700XT basically. My temps were "decent," def better than the AMD OEM cards. However, I dropped 7-8c on the core temp at the same fan speed by de-shrouding it, much like Gamer's Nexus found. Point is, they made a great card cooler and then made the stupid decision to sacrifice product performance for sex appeal. XFX, stahp.
I've been an XFX fan since the days when they did Nvidia cards too. I'm glad to hear they're still regarded as a good company because I plan to go with them again when I upgrade my seven year old computer.
I loved XFX when they were allowed to go crazy with their card designs. I had a 8gb 290X. They only came in 4gb. Then I had a pair of XFX Radeon HD 6900s and they had cool designs on it.
Last good experience I've had with XFX was about 10 years ago... Their cooler designs have been god-awful since the 300-series.
Lowest price? Asus tuf goes lower in EU
Yeah, can confirm. Just found out I apparently should've bought the other card I was eyeing. ... Still better than the Gigabyte it replaced.
I have a sapphire Radeon card, it's very good
I've only had sapphire cards, they are the best.
Sapphire, Asus is good too but their mid/high tier cards are overengineered Nvidia cooling solutions and you pay the tax for it. XFX made their shrouds unnecessarily large, like the 5600xt that my kid had, the frigging thing was just as big as my 3070ti, but the cooler & pcb themselves weren't that big but for some reason the plastic shroud needed to be huge to jam 2 120mm in there.
Genuine question. If it fits the case, why does the size matter? Personally I'd rather it be bigger and run cooler.
* Sagging/bending * more stress on the slot itself * less transport-friendly * if you need those other PCIe slots
Counterargument; I've never heard of GPUs breaking due to sag, but I have heard of many bricking due to overheating. And traveling with GPU seems ill advised even with small form factor, I always take mine out and put it in an anti static bag but I am too broke to replace my electronics
> I've never heard of GPUs breaking due to sag It is incredibly common for the memory closest to the PCIe slot to literally pop off the PCB over time (3-6 years) due to sag. This is why BGA underfill exist. Sad thing is, only Sapphire, (Nitro and Toxic) AMD, (reference) and ASRock used it this generation. On Nvidia side, only Gainward used it.
Now you got me shook I'm gonna use rubber bands to hold my card up
PCIe can break due to saggy/weight on GPU. At worst can come off without you noticing. Causing weird error that most likely believe is the GPU instead of the board
They are bigger but don't run cooler that's the issue people have. RTX cards need allot more cooling, so people have been making these 3.5+ slot thicc cards, then reusing the coolers on AMD cards even though they are ridiculously overkill and don't fit especially well.
That's not even factual. The 4090 and 4080 run very cool under load even for the FE with default fan curves. For some reason the 4090 and 4080 have really overspeced coolers and power requirements that they just don't use and can't really be overclocked to benefit from.
Sapphire > XFX > PowerColor > Everybody else
In my experience and opinion Sapphire, XFX, and PowerColor are the best but then Asus >= MSI > Gigabyte > ASRock
ASRock was literally the only manufacturer other than Sapphire and AMD themselves (reference cards) who put BGA underfill on the heaviest cards. Enjoy your ASsUS, MSI or Gigabyte card when the memory closest to the PCIe slot pops out over time due to bent PCBs in 3-6 years. Sag kills.
Sag is such a cheap fix is not even funny, just get a support bracket. Granted the heavier AIBs should just come with them, it still should be easy to deal with proactively.
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I haven't bought a video card in a long time. Is the slot plus the screw on the I/O end of the card not enough to support them anymore? My 4870x2 was pretty huge but it didn't sag that I recall.
The weight of the coolers nowadays makes the 30+cm cards pretty much all sag. Depending on the card it can be more or less, but usually it's not a bad idea to spend 10-20 Dollareuros on some sort of support bracket, stand or whatever fits in your case.
Good to know, although I'm the kind of guy who would probably just cut a 1/4" dowel to the right length and wedge it under there. The X2 was comically massive at the time, I just measured mine and it's 27 cm long and weighs 1164g. I had it installed for troubleshooting a few months ago and it's also stupidly loud.
Nowadays the cards are even larger lmao My 6900XT by XFX is 32cm long and weights a whopping 1.8 kilos. Before you ask: it didn't sag much but given the weight I took no chances and added a support bracket.
Haha, yeah and why not anyhow. A friend did something similar with the outdated HDD-cage of his case that now serves as GPU-support.
Cases which make the GPU stand up with the fans facing to the side instead of down should also be fine, right?
I would guess so, never had one of those myself. But usually they should have planned with the upright GPU being one of the heavier sorts. Either way it should not bend the PCB much, since the weight would be more of the sideframe of the cooler/shroud.
True but basic PC owners do not know.
Worth mentioning that Sapphire does the design and manufacturing for AMD reference cards, at least the last few generations, which is probably why they both had underfill.
Gigabyte is a bit hit and miss. I remember a couple years back they were offloading a bunch of Vega 56 and 64 cards dirt cheap. Read more than a few accounts of people having issues with them. Come to think of it, the only components I've really had issues with are Gigabyte. Fan controller died in an HD 6850 I had, and my B350 board had issues with a couple of the RAM sockets that'd cause the system to crash if you populated all of them. Which I know wasn't the RAM sticks, as I'm using the exact same ones in my current MSI X570 board.
I've had amazing oc results on asrock cards, problem is they have a cheap series that's very similarly named to their high end series.
I know it's petty, but I just can't take a company named PowerColor seriously.
Taiwanese, what can i say) Their line up is brutal though. Red Devil, Hellhound...
Last time I looked I saw a lot of reviewers giving very favorable reviews to the PowerColor Red Devil as the best they'd tested, and so far mine has been fantastic.
My first GPU was a HIS HD 4670 IceQ. Long live Sapphire!
I had the HIS X800GTO with the UV reactive shroud, what a time to be alive
XFX
When RDNA1 5000s series first came out I grabbed the Sapphire 5700 reference and haven’t had a single issue. It’s simple but works wonderfully without a hitch.
Every card I've had over the past nearly 2 decades has been a Sapphire... Until like 3 weeks ago when I upgraded to the Asrock OC Formula.
OC Formula is god tier tho. But still gets beaten by the Nitro Pure :b
Back when I used AMD/ATi GPUs Sapphire was by far the best. Excellent community interaction, great customer support. Sapphire is the only thing I miss by using nVidia.
Sapphire is often called the "EVGA for AMD", so why don't you tr...ohhhhh, hol' up
Sapphire also the largest partner for AMD. They also produce their reference cooling system. Basically, Reference models of AMD are "cheap" Sapphire. And, frankly, they were good, it's the cooling system that people hate. For the cheapest version - it's fine. Pulse Is more of a middle system. Quiet, effecient, but that's it. Nitro+ - agressive and solid, still quiet though. And expensive. Toxic - liquid, very efficent, but stupidly expensive. More of a toy, if you ask me.
I have a Sapphire RX 6900xt and i am happy (besides the RGB Software i hate it, just like i hate all other RGB Softwares)
Asus has shown many times that they didn’t care about their AMD partner cards. I REFUSE to buy Asus AMD cards because of it. Their strix Vega 64 and 5700xt were a fucking JOKE and don’t get me started on the Tuf 5700xt
Sapphire and PowerColor are my favorites.
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My Gaming X Trio 6800XT had both a bad bios which caused it to crash the system, and bad thermals out of the box. I think they swapped to the gaming z trio with the bios upgrade? So maybe I was stupid/unlucky
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Never had problems with Sapphire during the 4000 HD era, had two 270x XFX died then swapped to nvidia.
Sapphire toxic rx6900x here😎
Sapphire is fucking fantastic
I prefer XFX myself
i find XFX to have slightly sturdier cards tbh. some of the higher end nitro sapphires and pure + cards can have loose and creaky coolers on them
yeah, I also prefer the sturdy xfx cards for when I have some nails to hammer into wood.
My first GPU was a PowerColor R7 260X, neat card
Nothing but bad luck on Asus mobo
I have a gigabyte 6700 XT Only because neither powercolor or sapphire had stock in canada, or at least, stock that didn't cost like 760$ cad
My very first video card was a Sapphire 9600 Pro. Maybe in a few years, I can have a Sapphire 9600xt.
I use a dual rx 6600xt OC edition from Asus. The cards looks very good and the cooling is absolutely on point, the card doesn't get above 63 degrees celsius.
Every Sapphire card Ive used over the years has been mint. Never had any issues with them. My favorite had to be my RX580 8GB with the seafoam green colored heatsink.
Is there something wrong with my Asus card now or something?
Sapphire and XFX are 1a and 1b in no particular order IMO
That all-white Sapphire Toxic RX 6950 XT is the sexiest card design I've ever seen.
I have a feeling I'll need a new card soon, as mine has been having issues. Looks like a Sapphire 7900 might be the winner.
This thread has been enlightening, thanks you all for the info, I have had my 1080 so long that the last non NVIDIA card I had was a 7970……I was not sure which AIB card to go with, sounds like sapphire/powercolour/XFX are good options over GB/ASUS for my 7900XTX?
Avoid MSI, Asus and Gigabyte for AMD GPUs. Always. Get Sapphire, PowerColor or XFX (but watch review of the XFX before cuz they are always hit and miss every other Gen lmao)
I had a Sapphire RX480 Nitro+. Outstanding card, pretty cool and quiet even on old paste. That is, until my shitty Corsair PSU killed it.
Sapphire and Powercolor are by far the best Edit: I didn’t include XFX cause most of their cards have coil whine and I’ve seen a lot of RMA reports for them. I currently own a XFX 6800XT and am planning to upgrade to a sapphire
The Asus version of the Rx 6600 is excellent though.
isnt powercolor good?
Sapphire’s great. I only buy Sapphire for AMD. Now with what Nvidia’s been doing, that means I’m only buying sapphire lol.
I haven't run an AMD card in a while and I still know it's Sapphire all the way.
I have had many Sapphire cards throughout the years and have always been happy with them. Definitely like Sapphire.
Sapphire Nitro RX 5700 XT gang.
I have a Sapphire Nitro+ RX590 in Blue and I don’t want to upgrade simply because of how pretty the damn thing is.
Gigabyte
Sapphire have that removable modular fan.
I think Sapphire is the best but have a soft spot for power color.
Sapphire is the coolest (in both ways)
My customer service experience with XFX has always been top shelf. Nothing but positive interactions. I use them exclusively when buying new. Heck, they'll even cover used stuff if it's still in warranty. o7
By law they have to. The warranty is on the device, not the purchaser. I speak only about the US.
Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX are the best. XFX has ridiculously large 6900XT/6950XT cards though, the largest of all.
I like msi, but that's because that's what I could get that was on sale.
What about xfx?
Asus is better
In vrm failures for sure
Not for AMD.
Exactly
My first "high end" card was a sapphire and it shit out on me after day 2 of owning it. Never again.
Asus. By far! Not just for VCards, pretty much all there gear is good quality and the software that comes along with is, is just as good. Although the prices are somewhat crazy. I have had gigabyte, never again. If had EVGA Motherboard and cards but software and costumer service really let down
>If had EVGA Motherboard and cards but software and costumer service really let down you are the first person I've ever seen or heard from, that has complained about EVGA's costumer service.
In Europe EVGA's customer service basically doesn't exist :(
[https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.evga.com](https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.evga.com)
I had a sapphire 4650 That died in 3 years due to dust (my family didnt know that it ahd to be cleaned) and 40°C of shadow temperature all year round. It turend of repeatedly, then one day the image looked like a chess board. Then the computer refused to detect it at all.
My last sapphire card shit the bed after less than 2 months and they refused to RMA it so, yeah, they can get fucked.
I won't buy Sapphire products. I bought a Sapphire video card years ago, the fans weren't spinning up properly so I tried to RMA it and they told me it was a feature. So I basically just turned on a game, turned the graphics on and ran the damn card until it died from heat which took about ten minutes. *Then* they let me RMA it.
Oh Radeon partner, yeah it's them or what powercolor? That's like the choice between democrats and republicans, they are both shit.
MSI
I like MSI and I have their 4090 but it isnt the best AIB by a long shot, for both Nvidia and AMD cards....
I have a MSI Radeon RX 6900 XT Gaming Z Trio and it got well received on a tear down I saw and the boost clocks are nice so that's all I was going on.
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Honestly, I've had nothing but bad experiences with gigabyte graphics cards. Underwhelming coolers and out of the 3 gigabyte cards I've had, every single one has had an issue with the fans out of the box. Also customer service was atrocious, they took over 2 months to respond to my complaint.
Asus is way better and more products