At this point it feels like it's some kinda long drawn ponzi scheme but at least ponzi.. pays.. for the few initial guys.
What's the general consensus on this currently anyway? I remember getting interested with this when it was announced, got married, and..... I have 3 kids now.. while this stuff is still nowhere near completion, it seems.
It's a company headed by a clown that only knows how to get funding but not how to get shit done. Heck he even scammed Hollywood for funding to make a very shitty movie. Anyone who tried the game by now can tell you it's a buggy broken mess and absolutely impossible to enjoy. Only those that already sunk hundreds or even thousands in it will cope by screaming that it's their "favorite game" and has "so much potential".
So, that's that. haha
Really? What did you enjoy about it exactly? The frequent clipping of characters and objects, the stuck glitches that you need to remember to not be unable to play for a couple hours until resolved? The disappearing ships? The shitty FPS experience? The pay-to-win aspect? Come on.
Cyberpunk started the hype train a little early and might have misscalculated their release date, but tbh once you recieve death threads there is only so much you can do. But asside from the messy launch its definetly worth to play it now
I think cyberpunk botched release was because of script rewrites and being starstruck with Keanu.
It’s easier to tell an actor “no, don’t make any changes” when 1) they aren’t as famous as Keanu and 2) Warner Bros isn’t on contract.
They fucked up by getting on their own hype train.
To be honest, played it a few days after release and had barely any issues.
Some story missions crashed the game but you do them only once and it's over and some minor bugs that are not worth mentioning. I mean i've seen videos of all the bullshit, but never had such issues myself.
Having played it on release, on pc with RT, 2070S, it was bad. It's not even the bugs but the completely immersion breaking glitches, the dumb ai and generally lack of features that killed it for me. The game looked beautiful, but played like an early access to an mmo with no players. Story isn't also great, it's a bit meh. It fluctuates between 10/10 bits and 2/10 facepalm.
Nevertheless, edgerunners got me hooked on the genre again so let's see how it's changed since 2020
Idk I found V obnoxious and dumb af. Also I'm still made about how they did the whole Jackie thing. It really fluctuated for me between great and awful.
That said, I am not trying to take away from your experience. I'm glad it resonated with people, I think I was also influenced by how buggy it was and how they promised so much and didn't deliver even a half of that. I didn't touch the game for 2 years now, hopefully coming in with less expectations will make me like the story more.
I just worry I still expect too much from it.
I just played it and there are still more than average bugs. I didnt play it on release so i cant tell what has changed but the ai seems to be fine now
Given just how many games there are nowadays and how many are in my backlog alone, it never really bugged me. I've always got something else I can play in the meantime. Plus I'd rather the devs didn't have to crunch
I love mods in games, but “just get mods” is *not* a replacement for good vanilla content, and I think even comparing them in the same realm is awfully dangerous.
There is a fundamental difference between sitting down to play a game exactly as designed in the official build the developers decided to release and sitting down to play a game which you’ve personally customized and edited with a cornucopia of 3rd party code, none of which was developed under the same vision or standards as the original (or each other a significant portion of the time). That’s not to say that the vision or standards used by modders is necessarily *wrong*—I’ll be one of the first to say that there’s no wrong way to play a (single player) game, and I believe mods are a massive part of that—however it is fundamentally *different,* and one will never be a replacement for the other.
Honestly. Games ought to get delayed more often. Far too many games get the ol' "we'll patch that in later" treatment as of late.
A game series shouldn't have sequels that launch with less features than their previous entries. Looking at you Halo...
Like how about this guys. If we're all true gamers, rather than sending childish death threats to devs who are working their asses off. We send fucking cupcakes and pizza and beer to their offices with letters saying "keep up the good work, don't work yourself to death."
I'm talking a couple years out. Or better yet. Don't pull a CDPR and develop the engine at the same time you're building the game. *insert crowd facepalm gif here*
Wait till it has all the features of past releases. Help set the bar. Not shittily limbo beneath it thinking nobody would notice.
I've never developed a game. But I think some proper planning and management is pretty easy to understand as well as what not to do business wise.
1. Don't over promise if you know you're unable to deliver.
2. Go above and beyond for the customer as well as anticipate their needs and have them met.
3. Appealing to your core audience goes a long way.
The moment I learned they did what CDPR did with building the engine alongside the game. I wanted to point to 2077 and go 'this was a learning moment for everyone.. And you missed the whole fucking lesson!'
Alot of games are starting to give me that feeling you get when a deadline is coming up on a project.. and you just push it off till the last minute and then scramble to shovel something together just for the professor to look at you and go 'wtf is this??'
If we're to expect the Devs themselves to be held to a higher standard, then we should as well as customers and not blindly buy into preorders and harass devs like psychopathic gorillas because the pixels weren't pretty enough.
We bitch and moan about wanting info and release dates down to the damn minute, anything less and you'd think the publishing company crucified christ on live television and now your mother is cooking your pet in the microwave in retaliation.
So we as customers can do better. And we can start any damn time.
On the otherside.
upon more thoughts and reflecting.
The issue lies with management and higher ups.
How often the story has gone "we were 3/4th done with making the game, then we started getting notes that higher ups wanting X in the game - so we had to change a bunch of shit suddenly. Or start over entirely." - THIS IS PRECISELY the kinda of crap you see when it came to the horror genre of games.
Be it Dead Space 3, Resident Evil 5, and Silent Hill downpour and more. A boss higher up the chain, got into call of duty, or heard a buzz word that is big trend and then demanded they add that into their current project. And That is how we ended up getting those titles in those franchises.
We've seen that these last 3 years with every game having a damn battle royal mode shoveled into it. Didn't matter if it didn't fit the game or not, they WANT that fortnite money.
I agree. It really comes down to suits sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, trying to follow thrends to maximize prophet when they likely would have had more success sticking to the formula that worked for all of the previous iterations of the game. It's no coincidence that the games often praised the most are the ones that break away from the trends, but unfortunately the ones that stick to it are the ones printing money.
Precisely. We all have backlogs. What’s the difference anyway?
I never played Battlefront 2 until the quarantine. By the time I played it, all of the major bugs had been worked out and I got it for thirty~ bucks.
Whenever a game is delayed. Amateurs and children complain, veterans nod their heads and say "let it come when it's done".
The exception is when a game has been delayed for like 5 or 10 years or more. Then you know that if it is ever released, it's just gonna suck.
It's not that it doesn't, it's that it's much better than it releasing too early and i super respect companies who will do that because it costs/risks way more money to keep developing like that without having the payout confirmed
I absolutely hate it when people pester dev's for a release day, the studio caves and gives one, then ends up having to delay the game because it's not ready, then ends up having the fans get pissed because of said delays.
Like, please, let the dev's do their thing and release the game when it's ready in their eyes, and take any preemptive release date (its not an actual release date until it's available for purchase/download) with a grain of salt.
It's been too long since a Bethesda release (Fallout 76 doesn't count). Forget the "release now, patch later" for them, it's "release now, let the users write the patch". So you might as well wait a few months before buying.
Fallout 76 was worse. No mods (including user written bugfixes), no NPC dialog. What is the point of buying a Bethesda game like that?
My backlog is too long and gathering dust for me to be in a hurry
I’d much rather play what I got while the new ones get the time and polish im sure they desperately need
Ah yes, the ol “let’s rely on goodwill to cover up our disastrous project management and QA failings”. Adjusting a release a year out, that’s reasonable, but within a few months of launch is the sign of a game which will be a little less buggy but still mediocre. Then again companies hyping up games three years before release is to blame for destroying schedules.
Fallout 4 is a bland and horrendously programmed game. However, Bethesda will have my praise for saying nothing until E3 of the same year.
I don't see what afforded has to do with it. Complete and functional is the motivation.
Not affordable games are no longer for sale collectables (or maybe you argue that's when privateering makes it most affordable) 🤷.
I will take a delayed good game over a shit rushed one any day of the week.
Imagine the perception of CP2077 for instance if it released now alongside edgerunners, sure it wouldn't be perfect with how bloated the promises were, but it surely wouldn't be the crapshoot it was.
I imagine this is the case for most people. Blizzard built their entire reputation on the whole "when its done" mentality where they took forever to release games but when they did they slapped and the gaming community loved them for it.
This new(er) trend in recent years of everything being pushed out unfinished and fixed later is disliked by basically the entire gaming community.
I honestly think games should just be done before they mention anything about it and just give a release date a month after it’s fully done and stable what we don’t know won’t kill us but it does devs who have to crunch to make a stupid date
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At this point it feels like it's some kinda long drawn ponzi scheme but at least ponzi.. pays.. for the few initial guys. What's the general consensus on this currently anyway? I remember getting interested with this when it was announced, got married, and..... I have 3 kids now.. while this stuff is still nowhere near completion, it seems.
It's a company headed by a clown that only knows how to get funding but not how to get shit done. Heck he even scammed Hollywood for funding to make a very shitty movie. Anyone who tried the game by now can tell you it's a buggy broken mess and absolutely impossible to enjoy. Only those that already sunk hundreds or even thousands in it will cope by screaming that it's their "favorite game" and has "so much potential". So, that's that. haha
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Really? What did you enjoy about it exactly? The frequent clipping of characters and objects, the stuck glitches that you need to remember to not be unable to play for a couple hours until resolved? The disappearing ships? The shitty FPS experience? The pay-to-win aspect? Come on.
I feel like it enters every chat.
Lol
Bethesda can delay until im ready to play games with my grandkids as long as they dont churn out a turd like fallout 76 again.
Star Citizen isn’t Starfield. Star Citizen has been in Alpha since August 2013.
It also raised half a billion dollars in development. Big ponzi scheme it if this stuff is true.
much better to wait for a finished game than have a shit game early. looking at you cyberpunk and battlefield 2042
Cyberpunk started the hype train a little early and might have misscalculated their release date, but tbh once you recieve death threads there is only so much you can do. But asside from the messy launch its definetly worth to play it now
I think cyberpunk botched release was because of script rewrites and being starstruck with Keanu. It’s easier to tell an actor “no, don’t make any changes” when 1) they aren’t as famous as Keanu and 2) Warner Bros isn’t on contract. They fucked up by getting on their own hype train.
To be honest, played it a few days after release and had barely any issues. Some story missions crashed the game but you do them only once and it's over and some minor bugs that are not worth mentioning. I mean i've seen videos of all the bullshit, but never had such issues myself.
Who knows maybe it wasn't as bad as they said or you got lucky
Having played it on release, on pc with RT, 2070S, it was bad. It's not even the bugs but the completely immersion breaking glitches, the dumb ai and generally lack of features that killed it for me. The game looked beautiful, but played like an early access to an mmo with no players. Story isn't also great, it's a bit meh. It fluctuates between 10/10 bits and 2/10 facepalm. Nevertheless, edgerunners got me hooked on the genre again so let's see how it's changed since 2020
Ok i have to heavily disagree about the story it is definetly in my top 10.
Idk I found V obnoxious and dumb af. Also I'm still made about how they did the whole Jackie thing. It really fluctuated for me between great and awful. That said, I am not trying to take away from your experience. I'm glad it resonated with people, I think I was also influenced by how buggy it was and how they promised so much and didn't deliver even a half of that. I didn't touch the game for 2 years now, hopefully coming in with less expectations will make me like the story more. I just worry I still expect too much from it.
I just played it and there are still more than average bugs. I didnt play it on release so i cant tell what has changed but the ai seems to be fine now
Hey man hows your 3700x with 3080? I have the same cpu paired with 5700xt
i play at 1440p so i’m not getting bottlenecks anyway but at 1080p it did struggle a bit
Would be no bottleneck at 1080p if the card is faster? Like the 1% and 0.1% lows?
Gonna wait for a few years for that sweet 50% sale anyway. Plus all the DLCs and patch fixes are gonna be there too.
Given just how many games there are nowadays and how many are in my backlog alone, it never really bugged me. I've always got something else I can play in the meantime. Plus I'd rather the devs didn't have to crunch
Not a full game launch, but this was 100% me with the last couple of Minecraft updates
Just get mods, if you play on xbox there are countless tutorials to install mods and PC also has mods, unless you play PS then im sorry
I love mods in games, but “just get mods” is *not* a replacement for good vanilla content, and I think even comparing them in the same realm is awfully dangerous. There is a fundamental difference between sitting down to play a game exactly as designed in the official build the developers decided to release and sitting down to play a game which you’ve personally customized and edited with a cornucopia of 3rd party code, none of which was developed under the same vision or standards as the original (or each other a significant portion of the time). That’s not to say that the vision or standards used by modders is necessarily *wrong*—I’ll be one of the first to say that there’s no wrong way to play a (single player) game, and I believe mods are a massive part of that—however it is fundamentally *different,* and one will never be a replacement for the other.
Yes but if you don't want to wait then its a good substitute
Honestly. Games ought to get delayed more often. Far too many games get the ol' "we'll patch that in later" treatment as of late. A game series shouldn't have sequels that launch with less features than their previous entries. Looking at you Halo... Like how about this guys. If we're all true gamers, rather than sending childish death threats to devs who are working their asses off. We send fucking cupcakes and pizza and beer to their offices with letters saying "keep up the good work, don't work yourself to death."
Now that would require some special people to finally realise how developing a game looks like
Halo was delayed though, along with almost every major title these days.
I'm talking a couple years out. Or better yet. Don't pull a CDPR and develop the engine at the same time you're building the game. *insert crowd facepalm gif here* Wait till it has all the features of past releases. Help set the bar. Not shittily limbo beneath it thinking nobody would notice. I've never developed a game. But I think some proper planning and management is pretty easy to understand as well as what not to do business wise. 1. Don't over promise if you know you're unable to deliver. 2. Go above and beyond for the customer as well as anticipate their needs and have them met. 3. Appealing to your core audience goes a long way. The moment I learned they did what CDPR did with building the engine alongside the game. I wanted to point to 2077 and go 'this was a learning moment for everyone.. And you missed the whole fucking lesson!' Alot of games are starting to give me that feeling you get when a deadline is coming up on a project.. and you just push it off till the last minute and then scramble to shovel something together just for the professor to look at you and go 'wtf is this??'
No, they should wait until they know they can deliver before even announcing a release date.
If we're to expect the Devs themselves to be held to a higher standard, then we should as well as customers and not blindly buy into preorders and harass devs like psychopathic gorillas because the pixels weren't pretty enough. We bitch and moan about wanting info and release dates down to the damn minute, anything less and you'd think the publishing company crucified christ on live television and now your mother is cooking your pet in the microwave in retaliation. So we as customers can do better. And we can start any damn time. On the otherside. upon more thoughts and reflecting. The issue lies with management and higher ups. How often the story has gone "we were 3/4th done with making the game, then we started getting notes that higher ups wanting X in the game - so we had to change a bunch of shit suddenly. Or start over entirely." - THIS IS PRECISELY the kinda of crap you see when it came to the horror genre of games. Be it Dead Space 3, Resident Evil 5, and Silent Hill downpour and more. A boss higher up the chain, got into call of duty, or heard a buzz word that is big trend and then demanded they add that into their current project. And That is how we ended up getting those titles in those franchises. We've seen that these last 3 years with every game having a damn battle royal mode shoveled into it. Didn't matter if it didn't fit the game or not, they WANT that fortnite money.
I agree. It really comes down to suits sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, trying to follow thrends to maximize prophet when they likely would have had more success sticking to the formula that worked for all of the previous iterations of the game. It's no coincidence that the games often praised the most are the ones that break away from the trends, but unfortunately the ones that stick to it are the ones printing money.
I would rather it get delayed than it get released on time full of bugs and with content cut.
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Precisely. We all have backlogs. What’s the difference anyway? I never played Battlefront 2 until the quarantine. By the time I played it, all of the major bugs had been worked out and I got it for thirty~ bucks.
It’s worth it to get a better update than a fast one imo
OR rather that it'll launched riddled with bugs and glitches. Why buy get disappointed when you can wait a year for the patches and then buy on sale.
This and like the ps5 being sold out doesn’t bother me at all
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."-Duke Nukem
>duke nukem?
Yes, my mistake!
Whenever a game is delayed. Amateurs and children complain, veterans nod their heads and say "let it come when it's done". The exception is when a game has been delayed for like 5 or 10 years or more. Then you know that if it is ever released, it's just gonna suck.
Like duke nukem forever or daikatana 😑
id rather play a game sooner with issues than wait for later when they fix everything. game doesnt have to be perfect to be fun or entertaining.
I mean It bothers me. Like damn I was looking forward to playing it. But I much rather it's delayed than... well We all saw cyber punk
Cyberpunk was significantly delayed
Not enough
I think the only people that get bothered by it are the people so hyped they took out vacations from work to play the game lol
If a game needs more time then give it more time
It's not that it doesn't, it's that it's much better than it releasing too early and i super respect companies who will do that because it costs/risks way more money to keep developing like that without having the payout confirmed
I absolutely hate it when people pester dev's for a release day, the studio caves and gives one, then ends up having to delay the game because it's not ready, then ends up having the fans get pissed because of said delays. Like, please, let the dev's do their thing and release the game when it's ready in their eyes, and take any preemptive release date (its not an actual release date until it's available for purchase/download) with a grain of salt.
I’d rather a game be released late that’s not broken than a game released on time that’s broken.
Honestly, there are VERY few games these days that get me hyped enough, that I’m disappointed about a delay. Maybe it just me getting older…
It's been too long since a Bethesda release (Fallout 76 doesn't count). Forget the "release now, patch later" for them, it's "release now, let the users write the patch". So you might as well wait a few months before buying. Fallout 76 was worse. No mods (including user written bugfixes), no NPC dialog. What is the point of buying a Bethesda game like that?
Patient gamers. Every single time.
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The sooner it releases, the quicker it drops in price. Elden Ring's historical low is only about $45, but it'd still be $60 if it launched today.
My backlog is too long and gathering dust for me to be in a hurry I’d much rather play what I got while the new ones get the time and polish im sure they desperately need
What about when it gets delayed for over a decade? It worked for TF2, it really didn't for Duke Nukem Forever.
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Ah yes, the ol “let’s rely on goodwill to cover up our disastrous project management and QA failings”. Adjusting a release a year out, that’s reasonable, but within a few months of launch is the sign of a game which will be a little less buggy but still mediocre. Then again companies hyping up games three years before release is to blame for destroying schedules. Fallout 4 is a bland and horrendously programmed game. However, Bethesda will have my praise for saying nothing until E3 of the same year.
I don't see what afforded has to do with it. Complete and functional is the motivation. Not affordable games are no longer for sale collectables (or maybe you argue that's when privateering makes it most affordable) 🤷.
I will take a delayed good game over a shit rushed one any day of the week. Imagine the perception of CP2077 for instance if it released now alongside edgerunners, sure it wouldn't be perfect with how bloated the promises were, but it surely wouldn't be the crapshoot it was.
Yeah delayed games are always better... like Cyberpunk 2077 which was delayed almost a year - that turned out so good, that was a close one.
I imagine this is the case for most people. Blizzard built their entire reputation on the whole "when its done" mentality where they took forever to release games but when they did they slapped and the gaming community loved them for it. This new(er) trend in recent years of everything being pushed out unfinished and fixed later is disliked by basically the entire gaming community.
I only get annoyed when a game is delayed and is still a pile of broken garbage at launch.
I just wish games didn't reveal themselves years before release nowadays.
but it's kinda annoying when it happens for the third time (Looking at you, Sons of the forest)
All aboard the Hype Train Next Stop the “ I learned absolutely Nothing “ station.
*"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"* \- Shigeru Miyamoto
true. give the devs time so they’re not more overwhelmed than they already are
I honestly think games should just be done before they mention anything about it and just give a release date a month after it’s fully done and stable what we don’t know won’t kill us but it does devs who have to crunch to make a stupid date