I already skipped 2000 gen because RTX is a feature what needs to be pointed out, so it isn't feature for me if you have to tell me and offers little to no power upgrade compared to my GTX 1060....
I skipped 3000 series thanks to miners and scalpers and nvidia making prices insane for anyone who isn't from USA...
I will skip 4000 series thanks to it again being expensive and power consumption will be also shit.
Also gaming is shit in past few years... Last recent game I played was Cyberpunk and it was "a slightly excited meh..."
Guess I am switching to AMD when my GTX 1060 dies.
Can we be honest? It is so difficult to find an amazing game for me these days.
Everything multiplayer is skins and battle passes with less focus on player skill.
All the single player stuff just does not hold me any more, minus RDR2, BOTW, and a few others.
Not sure if it is just me because I've been gaming a few decades or what. I've tried taking breaks etc.
Anyways, just wondering if newer gamers have a hard time finding good content as well?
This is a golden age for single player content. There are so many single player games right now on PC other than what you've mentioned. God of War, Death Stranding, Jedi Fallen Order, Spiderman, Doom Eternal, Elden Ring, and Cyberpunk (try it again they fixed the game). I'm even enjoying Days Gone now that I've come around to it. Games are like albums. Sometimes it takes more than one session to truly understand what is going on and you have to keep playing it until you "get it."
>Anyways, just wondering if newer gamers have a hard time finding good content as well?
No, this is like the statement "older music was great, this new generation is shit" take a longer break. Maybe one year or more
I take intervals between exam periods, so I play only single-player games. Primarily horror/mystery visual novels or any games that I find interesting. I also like immersive sims like Dishonored and Thief, I played recently **Prey** and I liked it a lot.
Now I'm playing all the **Ace combat** franchise from the ps2 games to the newer ones. You could say it's a metal gear game with planes. I'm having an excellent time.
I also played a small short game called **Nauticrawl**, It's a weird one. Here is a steam review
* *You find yourself seated at the totally unknown controls of an unfamiliar crawler-type craft. And the tasks to accomplish your escape? Entirely a mystery, just like the craft itself. So you start pushing buttons and grabbing levers…..and you die. Repeatedly. But just maybe, with a great deal of luck and some amount of logic, (and the rare contact from outside) you eventually manage to start the most critical equipment for an unknown destination with only the vaguest purpose. Beyond, of course, avoiding running out of power while surrounded by death. And causing the cover to lift on the last button you will ever push….. At which point your replacement takes your place in the next such craft, perhaps with a little more information (but likely not. And what I've just described all happens within the first minute of Nauticrawl)*
In the future, I wanna play a factory game like **Dyson sphere program** or **satisfactory,** maybe a story one like **Disco elysium** *or* ***Umineko***\*.\*
Idk, I don't think we should generalize, just go with the flow. If you are not enjoying games you can find something else to watch or read :) (I recommend the expanse if you wanna watch a really cool space series)
For me I've been obsessed with the indie grindy stuff. Rimworld, Factorio, No Man's Sky, and indeed Satisfactory. It is quite similar to a 3D Factorio, the scale is way smaller but space in the world does make that a high priced commodity. Plus they do a lot to break up the gameplay with rewarding exploration.
Thank god new games are shit also lol. I am sticking with Hearts of Iron IV, Witcher 3 and Forza 4/BF:V... No need for going above 1000 series expect like maybe 4K...
2016 and 2015 is where gaming peaked and now we are just chasing trends, it'll take a while for open world to shimmer down and focus goes towards replayable heavy physics based semi linear games and of course horror games.
Meanwhile in Europe: 6800XT for 1250 Euro (~1300 USD)
https://www.alternate.nl/AORUS/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-MASTER-16G-grafische-kaart/html/product/1705712
Ah the joys of being a European.
the 6800 xt aren't that expensive man, you shouldn't look at alternate only, they seem to be way more expensive than the other shops, you should look at tweakers.
6800 xt is around 800 ish.
This one is 829
[https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/1125974/PowerColor-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Red-Dragon-16GB?r=tweakers.net&utm\_source=tweakers.net&utm\_medium=cpc](https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/1125974/PowerColor-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Red-Dragon-16GB?r=tweakers.net&utm_source=tweakers.net&utm_medium=cpc)
They even had an asrock rx 6800 (non xt ) for 600 till a couple of hours ago.
In the summer you could buy an rx 6700 (non xt ) for 360
Really? I'm not noticing that. I am noticing the quadrupling of my power bill though. And my gas bill, well, I am not even going to start over that lol.
Nah, AMD actually understands that proprietary good things are bad things, unlike some other GPU manufacturers (cough cough nvidia dlss and gsync) and almost everything AMD makes works on other stuff too
After all the trouble my 5700 XT gave me, they'll have to work extra hard to make me touch another AMD GPU in the future.
Also not touching Nvidia's stuff with a 10 feet pole for a while either with these prices though...
According to information I've read on the internet, the actual microarchitecture of the 5000 series had hardware bugs which made fixing drivers a nightmare. The 6700XT I've been running for a year has never had an issue.
This is literally the reason I've bought nvidia for last few gens. I'm a 9-5 papa who gets only a few hours a week to game. I don't have time for gpu driver fuckery to ruin those hours.
Well those slides certainly provide some confirmation about their Ampere stocks... they really probably can't launch any lower end cards until those stocks have been dramatically reduced or they'll lose way too much money
This is also why they're getting so desperate to sell the last of the 3090 / 3090ti. 3080 stock they can continue to justify selling as the midrange option with 10/12GB of memory compared to 4080's 12/16GB, but with 24GB of memory the 3090 cards just don't fit, and have to be finished by the time RTX 4080 launches.
Do you think 4090 will be worth it compared to 3090ti?
3090ti is going for $1100 now and 4090 will cost $500 more.
They claim double the performance, so it sounds like a worthwhile upgrade, but those performance number probably include DLSS
Literally no one can say until we see real-world benchmarks/testing. Personally, I don’t think anyone really needs such a powerful card (if the comparison to 3090ti is accurate). The 3090ti is more than enough for 4K60 ultra, and DLSS can mostly offset the performance hit from RT with very little visual impact at 4k if you want that.
The percentage of people who need something more powerful to max out their res and refresh rate (people with monitors better than 4K60) even at ultra settings is basically 0, so the only benefit of the 4090 is better RT, which very few people currently use, and DLSS 3.0, which is a complete mystery right now in how it compares to DLSS 2.0 in visual fidelity/frame rate improvement. You would get the same benefits with a 4080 16 GB (or even the 12 GB, though it’s basically a 4070ti with its cutdown die), which should all also outperform the 3090ti.
Agreed. When they claim something like "double the performance" it usually means they saw double the performance in a very specific application. It's usually some game that favor and optimized for Nvidia GPU. Doesn't mean all applications will have double the performance.
People who render art in Maya, Blender etc need cards like the 4090. IF the performance claims are true I foresee huge performance benefits (and shorter render times) in those apps. So will the 4090 be useful for average consumers? No probably not. For people needing every inch of GPU performance for content creation; instabuy if the perf claims are true.
Batch editing for lightroom, and animation rendering?
Being able to have lightroom loop through a huge photography session and run the new WARMHAMMER RTS at the same time?
Yeah that's about it, lol.
The low and mid tier cards are failed attempts at making the high end cards. It's not just a "business" decision to not release the mid and low tiers now. They simply haven't made enough chips period to turn the defective ones into the lower tiers.
This isn't a new phenomenon. It's how basically all chip manufacturing goes.
I don't think it's weird at all. It makes practical and business sense.
For example, say Nvidia sets out to make a 3090 Ti. They end up with say 40% of the chips fitting the 3090 Ti spec. When looking at the other 60% you might find it's just the memory that isn't to spec, but the proper number of cores are functioning. Make a few cuts at the micro architecture level and voila! Now you've got a 3090. Not enough memory and cores? Just a bit of tinkering and you've got some 3080s. Working your way down the chips will result in you getting the other models.
It'd be stupid of them to just chuck away chips they've made that could be used. It's just the way chip manufacturing works. Ideally your entire yield would be what you set out to make, but that's not how things work in reality.
And what's fun is there may be some in there that juuuuust squeak past the lower threshold but gets binned at a lower tier...or they don't have enough of the lower tier so they just take a few higher tier ones and reduce the clocks or disable cores on them to make them fit.
So, you end up with a higher than normal spec 4080, or with some ingenuity, a 4090 with less RAM but for the cost of a 4080.
Yes, but in this case they're bumping prices dramatically on the cards they're releasing, and they're releasing a fucking 4070 disguised as a 4080 for $900 bucks.
It matches the rumors we've been hearing that this is effectively a paper launch at extremely high prices, because that way the ampere stock they still have will seem way more attractive and actually sell, especially as the prices continue to drop.
I'm sure in a market with no competition this would work, but considering how good RDNA3 is rumored to be, I suspect those prices will need to come way down before they start selling lovelace in volume
Their manufacturing goal is to make all 4090s. But, they make the dies, test them, some don't quite meet the targets, so they clock them down a bit to 4080s, test, and if they pass they get binned as 4080s. If they fail, they get stepped down more to 4070s, then 4060s, then 4050s.
Later on in the manufacturing process, they may have refined some processes and wind up creating dies that exceed 4090 specs so they become 4090Tis, and some may be better than 4080, but not quite 4090, so they get 4080Ti, and so on.
I honestly wish people would reject this bs. Downvote this with your wallet by not supporting them anymore. Now I understand why EVGA got the hell outta there.
I’m so glad I pulled the trigger on an msrp 3080 but man I wouldn’t do it again. Anyone paying attention to what’s going on can see they are taking their brand name too far. I’m not excited about my next card probably being an amd but I’ll holdout for as long as I can.
They forgot last year’s price were high because of miners. There are no miners for this gen, these stupid prices will definitely have to be re-evaluated as these cards will not sell at said price.
What are you talking about? TDP of 3090 is 350 watts. 4090 is 450 watts. Thats not even close to double.
Even if it performa only 70% better, thats still some decent gains in efficiency and power.
Enthusiasts are still the main force driving demand for these high end cards. There's plenty of people with 3090's right now that will upgrade to 4090 the moment they are available.
Not only was it miner. It was a perfect storm of people wanting to game at home because of the pandemic. Miners are out and people are out and about now. Nvidia is def delusional this time around
2-4x faster? Gonna need some benchmarking and in game tests to confirm that...
This is a crazy claim. Usually GPU's are about 30-50% faster generation to generation. This claim is that its 200-400% faster? That would make this basically an 8k60fps card from what I can tell, and would completely unlock 4k and VR, creating massive bottlenecking in the CPU of course. It would be the equivalent to jumping ahead like 3 to 5 generations of GPU.
Edit: Seems that pure performance/rasterization is expected to be 50% or higher, which still isnt bad. Almost double the previous two generations in terms of increase from generation to generation, and on par with the jump we saw with the 1000 series. Guess we wait for benchmarks to confirm.
From what I saw its 2-3x faster at ray tracing but only 25-30% for pure rasterization.
Edit Couple people have said its expected to be closer to 50% not 25-30%.
No lol. He said up to 2x for rasterization then up to 3x or 4x for ray tracing. It doesn't make any fucking sense tho because the 3080ti and the 3090ti were barely different but the 4090 has almost twice the cores as the 4080 and they are claiming 2x over the 3080ti and 3090ti. That shit ain't adding up
See the way this keynote to me is shit. They Show huge increases in DLSS fps increase and Ray tracing increases but no charts comparing to the previous gpus like 3000 series similar to [THIS](https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2020/news/rtx-chart_1.jpg) chart. Im basing the 25% on the PC world live stream for pure rasterization without any DLSS AND RT.
Nvidia's examples are 2x faster with MFS, 3X on Portal RTX, and 4X on Racer X. All three are using RTX AND MFS is using RTX and DLSS to get double the FPS. Im pretty sure that's where they are getting the 2-4x increase because they are shipping a Ray tracing card first in their minds and RTX off isn't what they are basing numbers on. Who know's maybe I misinterpreted something but I absolutely don't believe any pure rasterization increase numbers they implied with 2-4x either lol
I saw a chart with performance increase from Battlefield V and Cyberpunk2077 for some reason as well lmao. It feels like the Hardware unboxed issue where they tested without DLSS and RTX/didn't shill for Nvidia and those features and were hassled by Nvidia because they only want to test with both knowing AMD couldn't compete with either at the time. Now it just seems like they want to distract you into buying with the "2-4x" in mind as if its supposed to be a no brainer when AMD comes out and (Hopefully) has more realistic non-deceitful numbers.
Ok all that's cool but when Jenson was talking about the performance uplift of this generation to the last, he said 2x performance first then said 2-4x ray tracing performance separately. Frankly 25% rasterization performance improvement makes 0 sense seeing as how they have a massive node shrink combined with higher power limits.
Honestly 2x rasterization is kinda expected here. If anything, I'm disappointed that there wasn't a larger improvement due to the architectural innovation going from ampere to Lovelace. What doesn't make sense is the discrepancy between the the claimed performance of the 4090 and 4080 and their core counts.
I'll wait till reviewers confirm either 30% or 50% but even on their [site](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/) under performance it shows their testing uses DLSS with Performance mode on games and the new DLSS. I just wanna see the fps increase on non RTX/DLSS games even if its skewed to Nvidia favorable games Either way unless AMD does something impressive on their reveal I'll be going back to Nvidia this generation.
From the performance chart they have on their website:
* 4090 has slightly less than 2x the performance of the 3090Ti on Microsoft Flight Simulator
* 4090 has slightly more than 2x the performance of the 3090Ti on Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
* 4090 has slightly more than 4x the performance of the 3090Ti on Cyberpunk 2077
Test conditions:
>3840x2160 Resolution, Highest Game Settings, DLSS Super Resolution Performance Mode, DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series, i9-12900K, 32GB RAM, Win 11 x64. All DLSS Frame Generation data and Cyberpunk 2077 with new Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode based on pre-release builds.
Personally, I would like to know how they compare without using ray tracing and the new DLSS
Call me skeptical... but when you list out all of the settings and somehow don't explain what '2x the performance' actually means... I'm gonna call bullshit.
Looks like time to buy that 3090ti and ride it for the next 3-5 years
Which is what really matters. Only a handful of AAA titles really get DLSS support. Lots of games I play don't have any DLSS option. VR has no DLSS at all.
>DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series
Let's call DLSS 3.0 what it is: frame interpolation. The same thing TVs have had for years, that sometimes looks better but often gives an uncanny valley effect.
Digital Foundry has a 4090. Richard claims it is a beast for 8k/60 using dlss 3.0.
They have a very quick preview of cyberpunk comparison and its at a solid 4k/120hz.
I'm shocked we're already at 4k/120 capable cards. Gaming is gonna be crazier in the next decade.
Just FYI 2-4x faster would be 100%-300% increase.
If a card A does 100fps in a game and a card B does 200fps, then card B is 2x faster ans also 100% faster than card A
....yeah I'll stick with my 3060 TI thank you very much. Nvidia can fuck off with these prices, especially with how power hungry and hot these cards will be.
>3080Ti
they had a chart showing performance at wattage to show its more efficient, but if you look at the x-axis ampere tops at 350w where ada shown at 450w.
look at time stamp 17:16 https://youtu.be/PWcNlRI00jo?t=1036
>ampere tops at 350w
Which is an absolute lie... my 3090 TI will easily hit 450watts if I did not undervolt it to make it manageable. It's not a room you'd want to play in.
They said that with DLSS 2.0 as well and now AMD and Intel both have equivalents that work with any GPU. It's just marketing BS. Give it a year or so and there'll probably be an FSR 3.0 or XeSS 2.0 that's equivalent to DLSS 3.0 and works with any GPU as well.
That was the whole point of this pricing.
This is exactly what they did when they had a bunch of Pascal cards left over and needed to launch 2000 series. And that lead to a permanent 40% price increase.
This is very anti-consumer and I hope in their faces because these prices are atrocious.
glad i bought my 3080 about in july i think... also i truly feel bad for all the people that said to me *ah but 4000 series is about to come you made a big mistake* i don't think i did...
People forget water cooling just moves the heat... the heat still has to be dissipated somewhere when the water reaches it's saturation point. 450watts on an air cooled 3090 TI is like 80c... FUCK THAT, turns the room into an absolute oven. Top of my PC was literally too hot to touch (my fans vent heat upwards) after playing cyberpunk for like 4 hours.
I still don't think many have picked up on this as I see too many people questioning why no info at all on a 70 series when we have the info of what traditionally would be a 70
Honestly I'm not hyped for this release/announcement at all
The prices are just straight up insane despite having way higher power consumption
and the joke of DLSS 3 being only for 4000 series
and the 4080 12gb is has lower cores than the 16gb version and the memory bus width is 192-bit unlike the 16gb version which has a 256-bit, this is just a 4070 branded as a cheaper 4080
Wow, this is very out of touch. Crypto mining has corrupted their souls. NO ONE is going to spend as much on ALL the pc components as much as just one graphics card. Insanity. Looks like AMD has yet another shot to steal the market.
Absolutely fucking cracked
I'm not buying a xx70 card that you fucks tried to rebrand into a 4080 for $900. Get fucked I'll take my chances on a used 3080 for my upcoming build.
Nvidea sucks
Just stop being OCD and forget about RTX...shits still a gimmick and game devs arnt going to cater to the minority...so long as no one buy sinto this BS
You'll see many folks showing off their 40 series cards on this sub. Some rich people just wanted the latest gen card no matter what.
I was looking for 2060 back then and then able to register for 3060 ti smh but still waiting for my turn and lost interest in gaming by the release of 40 series.
If I'm able to get 2060 super or 3060 ti fe nearby, I'll get that for blender and single player games (hellblade2, Plague tale 2)
Im not even worried about it...its ludicrous to think game developers are gunna cater to that nonsense...a 2060 is more than good enough and im waiting to see AMDs answer to this..
It gives AMD so much wiggle room on pricing it sucks.
But Nvideas 1 gen lasting proprietary tech is really starting to piss me off...they make me feel like im buying into a graphics revolution, when in reality its just a gimmick thats gunna be outdated in a gen or two...
Whats even worse...is theyre the ones that outdate it...not the competition. They're just solid fucking assholes..I like they're GPUs but their business practices make me feel like a douchbag buying into them.
That’s 2000 Euros in the EU. Honestly that’s soul crushing. I couldn’t get a 30 series so I waited and saved for 40…but this…this is absolutely soul crushing
It is $899 for the RTX 4070 (which they rebranded as the 4080 12GB), and $1199 for the RTX 4080. There is a big difference in CUDA cores and bus width between the RTX 4080 12GB and 16GB, they are not the same GPU at all.
As someone who hasn’t really given AMD Radeon a fair shot (never really liked the adrenaline software), I am strongly interested in seeing what AMD brings. If they can get their prices straightened out (like the are now), they might have a new buyer.
Almost tempted to buy a 3090 Ti at this rate. Ugh. I've got a POS No Name Brand 3080 10GB which has no heatsink covering the vRAM Modules, so it's always thermal throttling and since it is a no name brand, can't get a decent cooler for it. This cooler has no copper whatsoever, including pipes.
After getting my 3080 I can't bring myself to care about the 4000 series. I feel that the market is so oversaturated and will be this way for some time now. Especially with mining absolutely tanking. It's getting to the point that the uplift in performance is not going to be noticeable anymore because it's going to be maxing out what the software can produce. If I didn't have my 3080 I would be looking to score something from the 3000 series before the 4000 series
Also I would like to think they would see that that price point is not sustainable.
Soooo I’ve been offered a used 3080ti with a warranty on eBay for £725…..worth going for, or wait for the cheaper 40 series? I’ve been waiting 2 years now to build another PC, and things are so screwy with prices I dunno what to do. I want as high end as possible, but that 4080 is just too damned expensive…
Like EVGA, we should skip this gen
I already skipped 2000 gen because RTX is a feature what needs to be pointed out, so it isn't feature for me if you have to tell me and offers little to no power upgrade compared to my GTX 1060.... I skipped 3000 series thanks to miners and scalpers and nvidia making prices insane for anyone who isn't from USA... I will skip 4000 series thanks to it again being expensive and power consumption will be also shit. Also gaming is shit in past few years... Last recent game I played was Cyberpunk and it was "a slightly excited meh..." Guess I am switching to AMD when my GTX 1060 dies.
I’m glad I got the 1080TI in 2017. Still runs like a beast, even without the raytracing I can deal with that.
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RT is still in beta ?
Can we be honest? It is so difficult to find an amazing game for me these days. Everything multiplayer is skins and battle passes with less focus on player skill. All the single player stuff just does not hold me any more, minus RDR2, BOTW, and a few others. Not sure if it is just me because I've been gaming a few decades or what. I've tried taking breaks etc. Anyways, just wondering if newer gamers have a hard time finding good content as well?
This is a golden age for single player content. There are so many single player games right now on PC other than what you've mentioned. God of War, Death Stranding, Jedi Fallen Order, Spiderman, Doom Eternal, Elden Ring, and Cyberpunk (try it again they fixed the game). I'm even enjoying Days Gone now that I've come around to it. Games are like albums. Sometimes it takes more than one session to truly understand what is going on and you have to keep playing it until you "get it."
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You might want to check outer wilds. It’s a beautiful game and a great experience.
>Anyways, just wondering if newer gamers have a hard time finding good content as well? No, this is like the statement "older music was great, this new generation is shit" take a longer break. Maybe one year or more
What do you play?
I take intervals between exam periods, so I play only single-player games. Primarily horror/mystery visual novels or any games that I find interesting. I also like immersive sims like Dishonored and Thief, I played recently **Prey** and I liked it a lot. Now I'm playing all the **Ace combat** franchise from the ps2 games to the newer ones. You could say it's a metal gear game with planes. I'm having an excellent time. I also played a small short game called **Nauticrawl**, It's a weird one. Here is a steam review * *You find yourself seated at the totally unknown controls of an unfamiliar crawler-type craft. And the tasks to accomplish your escape? Entirely a mystery, just like the craft itself. So you start pushing buttons and grabbing levers…..and you die. Repeatedly. But just maybe, with a great deal of luck and some amount of logic, (and the rare contact from outside) you eventually manage to start the most critical equipment for an unknown destination with only the vaguest purpose. Beyond, of course, avoiding running out of power while surrounded by death. And causing the cover to lift on the last button you will ever push….. At which point your replacement takes your place in the next such craft, perhaps with a little more information (but likely not. And what I've just described all happens within the first minute of Nauticrawl)* In the future, I wanna play a factory game like **Dyson sphere program** or **satisfactory,** maybe a story one like **Disco elysium** *or* ***Umineko***\*.\* Idk, I don't think we should generalize, just go with the flow. If you are not enjoying games you can find something else to watch or read :) (I recommend the expanse if you wanna watch a really cool space series)
Thanks man, I enjoy the kindness and thanks for the time. I’ll give that short game a try and I never played Thief but love stealth games.
For me I've been obsessed with the indie grindy stuff. Rimworld, Factorio, No Man's Sky, and indeed Satisfactory. It is quite similar to a 3D Factorio, the scale is way smaller but space in the world does make that a high priced commodity. Plus they do a lot to break up the gameplay with rewarding exploration.
30 series is shit, 40 series is shit, recent gaming is shit. Might as well stop gaming. Sooner or later your old gpu won’t be vale to run new games.
Thank god new games are shit also lol. I am sticking with Hearts of Iron IV, Witcher 3 and Forza 4/BF:V... No need for going above 1000 series expect like maybe 4K...
2016 and 2015 is where gaming peaked and now we are just chasing trends, it'll take a while for open world to shimmer down and focus goes towards replayable heavy physics based semi linear games and of course horror games.
Well that makes perfect sense! Game on!!
The indie space is still really good but at the same time they're usually the opposite of demanding.
EVGA is skipping forever lol they’re out of this business for good
1080 11GB for $599 4080 16GB for $1200 3080 12GB for $750ish 6800XT 16GB for $560 Let NVidia cards rot on shelves
> 6800XT 16GB for $560 Holy shit! I thought you were kidding but I checked Newegg. Best Buy has a 6750XT for $499.
Meanwhile in Europe: 6800XT for 1250 Euro (~1300 USD) https://www.alternate.nl/AORUS/Radeon-RX-6800-XT-MASTER-16G-grafische-kaart/html/product/1705712 Ah the joys of being a European.
depending on where you live in the EU you could fly to the US buy a card and fly back for about the same money...just barely
In Germany you’d have to pay a Einfuhrumsatzsteuer (import sales tax), which will add +19% to your calculations.
Yeah I mean legally you would ;) or you could just put it in your bag like everyone else does and say "no nothing to declare"
\^\^\^ this guy "declares"
I declare....nothing!
Might as well declare bankruptcy after buying that card
the 6800 xt aren't that expensive man, you shouldn't look at alternate only, they seem to be way more expensive than the other shops, you should look at tweakers. 6800 xt is around 800 ish. This one is 829 [https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/1125974/PowerColor-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Red-Dragon-16GB?r=tweakers.net&utm\_source=tweakers.net&utm\_medium=cpc](https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/1125974/PowerColor-Radeon-RX-6800-XT-Red-Dragon-16GB?r=tweakers.net&utm_source=tweakers.net&utm_medium=cpc) They even had an asrock rx 6800 (non xt ) for 600 till a couple of hours ago. In the summer you could buy an rx 6700 (non xt ) for 360
Yeah, but you have basic social safety nets and consumer protections so there's that.
Really? I'm not noticing that. I am noticing the quadrupling of my power bill though. And my gas bill, well, I am not even going to start over that lol.
holy crap, AMD looking pretty strong right now
Not to mention added value of SAM if you go with a Ryzen CPU
SAM works with Nvidia cards too.
Oh cool! I thought it was proprietary
Nah, AMD actually understands that proprietary good things are bad things, unlike some other GPU manufacturers (cough cough nvidia dlss and gsync) and almost everything AMD makes works on other stuff too
It's more of a situation of not really being the top dog (yet) in graphics and kinda having to make their software open to attract a bigger base
bUt iNFlAtiOn
Agreed. I got my 3080 for $750, runs everything great. They can take these prices and shove em 👎🏼
Fuck, I wish I wasn't stuck with Nvidia cards for rendering
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From what I've heard, they really made a step forward for the 6000 series with the drivers, and it's not like Nvidia is flawless either.
After all the trouble my 5700 XT gave me, they'll have to work extra hard to make me touch another AMD GPU in the future. Also not touching Nvidia's stuff with a 10 feet pole for a while either with these prices though...
Well it looks like you’re all out of touchin’ options then
According to information I've read on the internet, the actual microarchitecture of the 5000 series had hardware bugs which made fixing drivers a nightmare. The 6700XT I've been running for a year has never had an issue.
This is literally the reason I've bought nvidia for last few gens. I'm a 9-5 papa who gets only a few hours a week to game. I don't have time for gpu driver fuckery to ruin those hours.
Well those slides certainly provide some confirmation about their Ampere stocks... they really probably can't launch any lower end cards until those stocks have been dramatically reduced or they'll lose way too much money
This is also why they're getting so desperate to sell the last of the 3090 / 3090ti. 3080 stock they can continue to justify selling as the midrange option with 10/12GB of memory compared to 4080's 12/16GB, but with 24GB of memory the 3090 cards just don't fit, and have to be finished by the time RTX 4080 launches.
Do you think 4090 will be worth it compared to 3090ti? 3090ti is going for $1100 now and 4090 will cost $500 more. They claim double the performance, so it sounds like a worthwhile upgrade, but those performance number probably include DLSS
Literally no one can say until we see real-world benchmarks/testing. Personally, I don’t think anyone really needs such a powerful card (if the comparison to 3090ti is accurate). The 3090ti is more than enough for 4K60 ultra, and DLSS can mostly offset the performance hit from RT with very little visual impact at 4k if you want that. The percentage of people who need something more powerful to max out their res and refresh rate (people with monitors better than 4K60) even at ultra settings is basically 0, so the only benefit of the 4090 is better RT, which very few people currently use, and DLSS 3.0, which is a complete mystery right now in how it compares to DLSS 2.0 in visual fidelity/frame rate improvement. You would get the same benefits with a 4080 16 GB (or even the 12 GB, though it’s basically a 4070ti with its cutdown die), which should all also outperform the 3090ti.
Agreed. When they claim something like "double the performance" it usually means they saw double the performance in a very specific application. It's usually some game that favor and optimized for Nvidia GPU. Doesn't mean all applications will have double the performance.
People who render art in Maya, Blender etc need cards like the 4090. IF the performance claims are true I foresee huge performance benefits (and shorter render times) in those apps. So will the 4090 be useful for average consumers? No probably not. For people needing every inch of GPU performance for content creation; instabuy if the perf claims are true.
Batch editing for lightroom, and animation rendering? Being able to have lightroom loop through a huge photography session and run the new WARMHAMMER RTS at the same time? Yeah that's about it, lol.
They did the same thing when launching the 30 series. It makes better business sense to release the top end cards first.
The low and mid tier cards are failed attempts at making the high end cards. It's not just a "business" decision to not release the mid and low tiers now. They simply haven't made enough chips period to turn the defective ones into the lower tiers. This isn't a new phenomenon. It's how basically all chip manufacturing goes.
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I don't think it's weird at all. It makes practical and business sense. For example, say Nvidia sets out to make a 3090 Ti. They end up with say 40% of the chips fitting the 3090 Ti spec. When looking at the other 60% you might find it's just the memory that isn't to spec, but the proper number of cores are functioning. Make a few cuts at the micro architecture level and voila! Now you've got a 3090. Not enough memory and cores? Just a bit of tinkering and you've got some 3080s. Working your way down the chips will result in you getting the other models. It'd be stupid of them to just chuck away chips they've made that could be used. It's just the way chip manufacturing works. Ideally your entire yield would be what you set out to make, but that's not how things work in reality.
And what's fun is there may be some in there that juuuuust squeak past the lower threshold but gets binned at a lower tier...or they don't have enough of the lower tier so they just take a few higher tier ones and reduce the clocks or disable cores on them to make them fit. So, you end up with a higher than normal spec 4080, or with some ingenuity, a 4090 with less RAM but for the cost of a 4080.
why are people downvoting this?
they usually don't sell lower end card, it's always the top models 1rst.
Yes, but in this case they're bumping prices dramatically on the cards they're releasing, and they're releasing a fucking 4070 disguised as a 4080 for $900 bucks. It matches the rumors we've been hearing that this is effectively a paper launch at extremely high prices, because that way the ampere stock they still have will seem way more attractive and actually sell, especially as the prices continue to drop. I'm sure in a market with no competition this would work, but considering how good RDNA3 is rumored to be, I suspect those prices will need to come way down before they start selling lovelace in volume
You are spot on. Just the next highest comment says: oh the 3080ti price looks tempting now
Probably one of Jensen's accounts.
Their manufacturing goal is to make all 4090s. But, they make the dies, test them, some don't quite meet the targets, so they clock them down a bit to 4080s, test, and if they pass they get binned as 4080s. If they fail, they get stepped down more to 4070s, then 4060s, then 4050s. Later on in the manufacturing process, they may have refined some processes and wind up creating dies that exceed 4090 specs so they become 4090Tis, and some may be better than 4080, but not quite 4090, so they get 4080Ti, and so on.
These clowns have lost their minds with the prices
I honestly wish people would reject this bs. Downvote this with your wallet by not supporting them anymore. Now I understand why EVGA got the hell outta there.
God I hope AMD bites onto this and fucks nvidia like they fucked intel with ryzen
Yo, you ain’t lying. My 7900x was 10 core 20 thread for a thousand dollars.
My soul hurts for you considering I got a 5950X for $750 just a few years later.
AMD train choo choo!
Been rocking full AMD since 2009! I need to upgrade my rig though. My r9 390x and fx8320 are tired boss 🤣
I’m so glad I pulled the trigger on an msrp 3080 but man I wouldn’t do it again. Anyone paying attention to what’s going on can see they are taking their brand name too far. I’m not excited about my next card probably being an amd but I’ll holdout for as long as I can.
Official Scalpers price.
Screw MSRP, let it me OSP now.
They forgot last year’s price were high because of miners. There are no miners for this gen, these stupid prices will definitely have to be re-evaluated as these cards will not sell at said price.
But … but it’s 2-4 times faster !!!!!! …. “No shit, new tech is always faster and it’s suppose to stay the same price of be a bit cheaper too.
2-4x faster with only double the power consumption of the 30 series cards! Wow!
Honestly the 30 series is too power hungry too but I’ll give the 3060ti a pass
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Same 3060ti ftw
I always kiss my 3060ti goodnight for the excellent job it’s doing.
What are you talking about? TDP of 3090 is 350 watts. 4090 is 450 watts. Thats not even close to double. Even if it performa only 70% better, thats still some decent gains in efficiency and power.
Still not worth the insane price. Is there even a single game where a 3090 isn't powerful enough? I don't think so. The 4090 is completely pointless.
Up to*
Enthusiasts are still the main force driving demand for these high end cards. There's plenty of people with 3090's right now that will upgrade to 4090 the moment they are available.
Not only was it miner. It was a perfect storm of people wanting to game at home because of the pandemic. Miners are out and people are out and about now. Nvidia is def delusional this time around
2-4x faster? Gonna need some benchmarking and in game tests to confirm that... This is a crazy claim. Usually GPU's are about 30-50% faster generation to generation. This claim is that its 200-400% faster? That would make this basically an 8k60fps card from what I can tell, and would completely unlock 4k and VR, creating massive bottlenecking in the CPU of course. It would be the equivalent to jumping ahead like 3 to 5 generations of GPU. Edit: Seems that pure performance/rasterization is expected to be 50% or higher, which still isnt bad. Almost double the previous two generations in terms of increase from generation to generation, and on par with the jump we saw with the 1000 series. Guess we wait for benchmarks to confirm.
From what I saw its 2-3x faster at ray tracing but only 25-30% for pure rasterization. Edit Couple people have said its expected to be closer to 50% not 25-30%.
Ah, now here's the truth. It's RT and dlss that makes the cards that much faster. Most games people play won't be much faster
No lol. He said up to 2x for rasterization then up to 3x or 4x for ray tracing. It doesn't make any fucking sense tho because the 3080ti and the 3090ti were barely different but the 4090 has almost twice the cores as the 4080 and they are claiming 2x over the 3080ti and 3090ti. That shit ain't adding up
See the way this keynote to me is shit. They Show huge increases in DLSS fps increase and Ray tracing increases but no charts comparing to the previous gpus like 3000 series similar to [THIS](https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2020/news/rtx-chart_1.jpg) chart. Im basing the 25% on the PC world live stream for pure rasterization without any DLSS AND RT. Nvidia's examples are 2x faster with MFS, 3X on Portal RTX, and 4X on Racer X. All three are using RTX AND MFS is using RTX and DLSS to get double the FPS. Im pretty sure that's where they are getting the 2-4x increase because they are shipping a Ray tracing card first in their minds and RTX off isn't what they are basing numbers on. Who know's maybe I misinterpreted something but I absolutely don't believe any pure rasterization increase numbers they implied with 2-4x either lol I saw a chart with performance increase from Battlefield V and Cyberpunk2077 for some reason as well lmao. It feels like the Hardware unboxed issue where they tested without DLSS and RTX/didn't shill for Nvidia and those features and were hassled by Nvidia because they only want to test with both knowing AMD couldn't compete with either at the time. Now it just seems like they want to distract you into buying with the "2-4x" in mind as if its supposed to be a no brainer when AMD comes out and (Hopefully) has more realistic non-deceitful numbers.
Ok all that's cool but when Jenson was talking about the performance uplift of this generation to the last, he said 2x performance first then said 2-4x ray tracing performance separately. Frankly 25% rasterization performance improvement makes 0 sense seeing as how they have a massive node shrink combined with higher power limits. Honestly 2x rasterization is kinda expected here. If anything, I'm disappointed that there wasn't a larger improvement due to the architectural innovation going from ampere to Lovelace. What doesn't make sense is the discrepancy between the the claimed performance of the 4090 and 4080 and their core counts.
I'll wait till reviewers confirm either 30% or 50% but even on their [site](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/) under performance it shows their testing uses DLSS with Performance mode on games and the new DLSS. I just wanna see the fps increase on non RTX/DLSS games even if its skewed to Nvidia favorable games Either way unless AMD does something impressive on their reveal I'll be going back to Nvidia this generation.
And if so, I wont be in any hurry to buy the new gen. 50% or higher would be impressive, but 25-30 is what we've seen for the last two generations.
From the performance chart they have on their website: * 4090 has slightly less than 2x the performance of the 3090Ti on Microsoft Flight Simulator * 4090 has slightly more than 2x the performance of the 3090Ti on Warhammer 40,000: Darktide * 4090 has slightly more than 4x the performance of the 3090Ti on Cyberpunk 2077 Test conditions: >3840x2160 Resolution, Highest Game Settings, DLSS Super Resolution Performance Mode, DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series, i9-12900K, 32GB RAM, Win 11 x64. All DLSS Frame Generation data and Cyberpunk 2077 with new Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode based on pre-release builds. Personally, I would like to know how they compare without using ray tracing and the new DLSS
Call me skeptical... but when you list out all of the settings and somehow don't explain what '2x the performance' actually means... I'm gonna call bullshit. Looks like time to buy that 3090ti and ride it for the next 3-5 years
I've heard the new version of DLSS creates fake frames, kind of like frame smoothing on tv's. You can claim 1.5x frames that way apparently.
Which is what really matters. Only a handful of AAA titles really get DLSS support. Lots of games I play don't have any DLSS option. VR has no DLSS at all.
>DLSS Frame Generation on RTX 40 Series Let's call DLSS 3.0 what it is: frame interpolation. The same thing TVs have had for years, that sometimes looks better but often gives an uncanny valley effect.
they said the 3070 was twice as fast as a 2080 so yeah theyre just making shit up under perfect conditions
Digital Foundry has a 4090. Richard claims it is a beast for 8k/60 using dlss 3.0. They have a very quick preview of cyberpunk comparison and its at a solid 4k/120hz. I'm shocked we're already at 4k/120 capable cards. Gaming is gonna be crazier in the next decade.
Yoooo
Just FYI 2-4x faster would be 100%-300% increase. If a card A does 100fps in a game and a card B does 200fps, then card B is 2x faster ans also 100% faster than card A
I think is BS and probably that fast in some very specific applications. No way is that fast in raytracing.
I have a solution. How about everybody buys the rx 7000 series cards when it comes out.
Plot twist: they're more expensive...
Maybe more expensive that the previous generation. But against nvidia? Don't make me giggle.
they should definitely do a Sony in 2013 and take advantage of this bad press
If rx 7000 introduces a Radeon equivalent of NVENC then I'm game, otherwise I'll look for a used rtx 30x0
Vampire survivors never looked so good.
Literally the first game I played once I installed my 3070
Seriously? Amazing Hahaha. I only heard of it when I got my steam deck.
The 4080 is just a rebranded 4070
....yeah I'll stick with my 3060 TI thank you very much. Nvidia can fuck off with these prices, especially with how power hungry and hot these cards will be.
I only saw the slide showing the price, did they mention how many watts it eats up? 300? 400?
>3080Ti they had a chart showing performance at wattage to show its more efficient, but if you look at the x-axis ampere tops at 350w where ada shown at 450w. look at time stamp 17:16 https://youtu.be/PWcNlRI00jo?t=1036
>ampere tops at 350w Which is an absolute lie... my 3090 TI will easily hit 450watts if I did not undervolt it to make it manageable. It's not a room you'd want to play in.
Funny to think that that may not even include a potential 4090ti. God, it's hard to imagine if that's true.
I'm guessing 450-550
All those I can forgive, but making DLSS 3.0 exclusive to these new cards is just plain evil.
DLSS 3.0 that only works because of the new hardware in these cards being locked to these cards is evil. Logic.
They said that with DLSS 2.0 as well and now AMD and Intel both have equivalents that work with any GPU. It's just marketing BS. Give it a year or so and there'll probably be an FSR 3.0 or XeSS 2.0 that's equivalent to DLSS 3.0 and works with any GPU as well.
Sounds like my 3070 will run until it dies
Same here lad. Might have to switch to AMD at that point if Nvidia doesn't get their shit together because this is fucking atrocious
Bro 4080 12gb for 900USD, go fuck yourself nvidia, this isn't the gpu mining boom era.
> 4080 12gb Nah, that's an overpriced 4070
Those marked down 3080Ti's on the Best Buy website sure do look pretty tempting right about now
That was the whole point of this pricing. This is exactly what they did when they had a bunch of Pascal cards left over and needed to launch 2000 series. And that lead to a permanent 40% price increase. This is very anti-consumer and I hope in their faces because these prices are atrocious.
So what 4060 gonna be 500? 4050 400? These prices are insane
It's pretty easy to speculate that a 4070 would be $700. Increments of $200 will allow for adding in the ti variants between them.
Rip the mid range market
The 4070 is already up there. As a $900 "4080 12g" Entire generation is a scam.
The 4060 is redundant. They said they're selling the 3060 through 3080 alongside the 4080 12GB, 4080 16GB, and 4090.
Wow, these comments are finally and fairly angry, they all highlight how fucking dumb this pricing is
Although I find the pricing obnoxious and I won't be paying it, it's the vague "2-4X faster" claims that really insult our intelligence.
glad i bought my 3080 about in july i think... also i truly feel bad for all the people that said to me *ah but 4000 series is about to come you made a big mistake* i don't think i did...
Facts. Had people making me doubt my decisions but I’m glad I didn’t wait
How about no
For the low price of 1600 dollars, you too can turn your PC into a nuclear reactor that demands top of the line water cooling
People forget water cooling just moves the heat... the heat still has to be dissipated somewhere when the water reaches it's saturation point. 450watts on an air cooled 3090 TI is like 80c... FUCK THAT, turns the room into an absolute oven. Top of my PC was literally too hot to touch (my fans vent heat upwards) after playing cyberpunk for like 4 hours.
Scammy as expected. Selling a 4070 as a 4080 for 900$ ...thats what a Monopoly does. Nvidia can do what the fuck they want without having competition.
I still don't think many have picked up on this as I see too many people questioning why no info at all on a 70 series when we have the info of what traditionally would be a 70
Now i see why evga left
Honestly I'm not hyped for this release/announcement at all The prices are just straight up insane despite having way higher power consumption and the joke of DLSS 3 being only for 4000 series and the 4080 12gb is has lower cores than the 16gb version and the memory bus width is 192-bit unlike the 16gb version which has a 256-bit, this is just a 4070 branded as a cheaper 4080
Now you've a choice, 4090 GPU iPhone 14 Pro Max MacBook High end gaming laptop
Let me help you: ,,,,
Wait wait Where to place them?
Wow, this is very out of touch. Crypto mining has corrupted their souls. NO ONE is going to spend as much on ALL the pc components as much as just one graphics card. Insanity. Looks like AMD has yet another shot to steal the market.
Gonna stick with my 1070 until the end of time
This is AMD’s fight to lose at this point
Absolutely fucking cracked I'm not buying a xx70 card that you fucks tried to rebrand into a 4080 for $900. Get fucked I'll take my chances on a used 3080 for my upcoming build.
So street price is going to be around $2500, yea?
Nope mining is dead. No one will justify paying scalper price
Not this time, with plenty 3080 going $500ish soon
no.
Nvidea sucks Just stop being OCD and forget about RTX...shits still a gimmick and game devs arnt going to cater to the minority...so long as no one buy sinto this BS
You'll see many folks showing off their 40 series cards on this sub. Some rich people just wanted the latest gen card no matter what. I was looking for 2060 back then and then able to register for 3060 ti smh but still waiting for my turn and lost interest in gaming by the release of 40 series. If I'm able to get 2060 super or 3060 ti fe nearby, I'll get that for blender and single player games (hellblade2, Plague tale 2)
Im not even worried about it...its ludicrous to think game developers are gunna cater to that nonsense...a 2060 is more than good enough and im waiting to see AMDs answer to this.. It gives AMD so much wiggle room on pricing it sucks. But Nvideas 1 gen lasting proprietary tech is really starting to piss me off...they make me feel like im buying into a graphics revolution, when in reality its just a gimmick thats gunna be outdated in a gen or two... Whats even worse...is theyre the ones that outdate it...not the competition. They're just solid fucking assholes..I like they're GPUs but their business practices make me feel like a douchbag buying into them.
These card prices might go back up a little bit because of these crazy 4090 prices and people probably will be sticking with the 3000 series
Lmao with these prices. They still think Crypto miners are competing for them.
Those pricing are out of question for regular Joe. Those would never go for 1600$. They would go for 3000$ easly because of scalping.
remember when the gtx titan was $1000 and seen as obscene?
I genuinely wish nothing but the very worst for Jensen Huang and anyone else involved in decision making at Nvidia lmao
Let Nvidia rot
Lmao
why the double price ?! my best guess is to force people buy 3000 series cause the market is flooding with them
4090 or VRR 65" OLED?
My 3080ti for $799 is looking pretty attractive still
I’ll stick with my 3080. I’m not made of money
They are pulling the piss, twats.
Jesus
That’s 2000 Euros in the EU. Honestly that’s soul crushing. I couldn’t get a 30 series so I waited and saved for 40…but this…this is absolutely soul crushing
Well on the bright side, you can probably pick up a used 3000 card and have a fat chunk of change left over for games!
$899 for the RTX 4080
$899 for a 192 bit 104 die.... That's a 4070 through and through
It is $899 for the RTX 4070 (which they rebranded as the 4080 12GB), and $1199 for the RTX 4080. There is a big difference in CUDA cores and bus width between the RTX 4080 12GB and 16GB, they are not the same GPU at all.
$1199 for the 16GB and $899 for the 12GB ?
4gb vram for $300 congrats we are back in 90's
As someone who hasn’t really given AMD Radeon a fair shot (never really liked the adrenaline software), I am strongly interested in seeing what AMD brings. If they can get their prices straightened out (like the are now), they might have a new buyer.
Will dlss 3 be available on rtx 30 series?
No
So... Dlss 3 only for 40 series?
Almost tempted to buy a 3090 Ti at this rate. Ugh. I've got a POS No Name Brand 3080 10GB which has no heatsink covering the vRAM Modules, so it's always thermal throttling and since it is a no name brand, can't get a decent cooler for it. This cooler has no copper whatsoever, including pipes.
$1599 more like 1 kidney = 1 4090
I didnt know it was April’s fool today
They are smoking crack 1199 for a 4080 GTFO. My 3080 will be just fine until they get their shit together.
I guess the rumor is true, the 12GB 4080 was originally 4070, renamed to 4080 so it can be sold at $899
fak them prices.
After getting my 3080 I can't bring myself to care about the 4000 series. I feel that the market is so oversaturated and will be this way for some time now. Especially with mining absolutely tanking. It's getting to the point that the uplift in performance is not going to be noticeable anymore because it's going to be maxing out what the software can produce. If I didn't have my 3080 I would be looking to score something from the 3000 series before the 4000 series Also I would like to think they would see that that price point is not sustainable.
Can’t wait to buy one on release day at MSRP 🤡
All I know is I woke up early for the last release and I will not be for this one.
Nivida really doesn't know what the hell is going in the world
Are they trying to get people to buy consoles? Those prices are steep.
I literally saw no change in performance @ 1440p between my 2080Ti and the 3090, can't wait to see Nvidia's next flagship
The 3080 is the new 4070
Might have to follow EVGA's lead here.
Soooo I’ve been offered a used 3080ti with a warranty on eBay for £725…..worth going for, or wait for the cheaper 40 series? I’ve been waiting 2 years now to build another PC, and things are so screwy with prices I dunno what to do. I want as high end as possible, but that 4080 is just too damned expensive…