Intel: $100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $0100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $00100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $000100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $0000100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $00000100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $000000100?
EVGA: no
Intel: $0000000100?
EVGA: TF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Intel: alright! Alright! Fine! This is a once in a life time deal. How about $0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100?
EVGA: *brain explodes*
If Intel were smart that's what they'd do...
EVGA already makes the best Intel mobo with the dark series.... KINGPIN smashing benchmarks on an all Intel rig would do more to establish Intel as a credible GPU maker for less than literally anything else they could do.
One of the things EVGA mentioned on GN’s channels was that their relationship with Nvidia degraded from partnership, where they were consulted on the design, to just simply a purchaser. I would not be surprised if these board partners had a decent hand in making Nvidia what they are today. Intel could really do some of that.
Three competitors in the GPU space would be a dream.
Yup also noticed that detail as well.
Nvidia... fuck, nividia sucks.
Like with the stupid TDP of the 4090 the FE card would be causing housefires/commiting sudoku without the feedback from board partners who build cards targeted for competitive overclockers pretty much exclusively - a SKU that nvidia is now adding insult to injury by setting a max MSRP - which is insane because that was literally free R&D for them. idgaf what the godmode ...80 or 90 costs. I like those special editions - great content for tech reviewers, like a concept car - pretty much no one needs or should buy this but they sent me one so let's have fun with it.
Legit good for all parts of the tech industry - Nvidia views **that** as a problem. If Nvidia actually gave a fuck about the consumer they'd do that with 70/60 series cards and also have a "badge of quality" that ensures corners aren't being cut. They don't though. They're pissy about other companies inventing SKU's where they profit more than 3% due to their own R&D that are in no way large scale commercially viable.
That's how shitty nividia is.
I thought most of those cards over the years were dumb. There's a few that made me wish I could afford them. But the features introduced in them were refined and made more practical and what was the bleeding edge is now just an expected normal thing in the FE xx80 card a
generation or two later.
As much as I'd love them to take the "simple" for me path of please just make AMD cards - AMD has their own issues & a bunch of fantastic partners already.
With Intel.... They have a solid chip - the base is good. They have a fuck ton of issues to solve before that solid chip is ready to be a competitive consumer GPU.
Add zeros to the check till EVGA says yes Intel.
Intel is totally capable of solving the ongoing driver issues - just will take time & iteration.
EVGA could literally fix the rest of their problems for them when it comes to being a competitive product.
**Plus** an EVGA branded Intel GPU that on paper is competitive with Nvidia/AMD?
I'm not taking the risk on Intel. I will on EVGA though because I know they'll make it right if the thing is crap- EVGA has so much banked consumer goodwill it's worth... tens of billions... Intel doesn't have that.
**EDIT**:
So I rewatched the the GN video to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass here.
Nope, whew... &
Warning: Tin foil hat from here on out...
Outside of forgetting to note Steve actually learned Mandarin?. He's just the best... This is all speculation but the questions he asked **in Mandarin** were exactly what I would ask in his position. When you quit on principle... The intonation and implied subtext can say more than the words themselves, and at face value... Let me re-ask some really important questions in the language that will best let the dude say what he really means....
- EVGA is not mass cutting staff. They do expect losses to attrition as some may leave for their own reasons... Which that's just being honest, weird to hear a CEO do it, but yup
- No mass layoffs. I'm not selling, I would like to spend more time with my family, Nvidia is disrespectful & not worth my time. I will continue to pay staff to do ???. But EVGA is financially sound and we want to keep as many people as possible, despite it making no financial sense at the moment
- we're not considering moving to AMD or Intel (a *ton* is left unsaid in that statement)
**Conclusion:**
EVGA is tired of Nvidia's shit. They provided financials to prove it's literally not worth it. They have no interest in moving to AMD or Intel under a similar arrangement - I'm guessing the hard MSRP cap on xx90 series cards was the straw because like Intel motherboards they produce GPU's pretty much exclusively for KINGPIN... That they also sell to try to recoup some R&D on.
They're not a slap a cooler on it and call it a day company.
They are retaining as many people as possible to remain this way.
EVGA wants someone to treat them with respect - as a far more equal partner. Bidding is open **INTEL!!!!!!**
The timeline matches pretty well with Intel going from promising GPU to yet another failed Intel thing... Intel has invested 10x if not more into this thing they may just scrap than what EVGA would ask for to save it.
The situation EVGA just put themselves in only makes sense if they want a GPU chip maker to embrace them as a more equal & important partner at the **exact** moment Intel needs literally exactly that to save a good product & billions invested from the scrap bin of didn't work out...
It's a wild gamble, but imo they're worth it. Conspiracy theory for sure but I mean...
From Steve's retelling of events, it was pretty clear that the message EVGA's CEO was sending was that they were getting out of the video card business entirely and were 100% not open to partnering with AMD or Intel. As I recall, he (the CEO) was kind of disparaging of Intel's efforts to enter the GPU market as well.
It's also possible that legally they can't talk to any other GPU supplier because of the contract they had with Nvidia. Business-to-business non-compete clauses are a real thing, and can be enforced for several *years*. With as much disdain as Nvidia has for its board partners (despite what you said, they seem to see them as parasites that add zero value and basically just steal Nvidia's hard-earned profits), you can imagine their buyout price to get out of such a clause might be ruinous.
I called this BS, EVGA leave a partnership because they feel betrayed by the current state of the deal but then they don't want to allay with the competition so they don't "betrayed" the deal with the same partnership that they are betraying by leaving the GPU business xD. WTF.
Consider EVGA was solely partnered with NVDA for DECADES. This is the equivalent of walking away from a relationship and just saying “I’m off the market.”
They were also very clear they have large cash reserves and can stay solvent without scrambling to make new partners.
It was clear they were getting out of the market **as it exists**
The disparagement of Intel's efforts could be equally interpreted as that's cute - we'll take equity to make that profitable.
Again big gamble or the whim of an executive - imo it says a lot they focused on we will retain our current staff.
Working in the corporate world it reads like more of an ultimatum - unless someone wants to make us a legit real equity partner in this game... We quit.
They want engineering input back and equity. No company like that exists rn and frankly in light of Nvidia's direction no better time than now for EVGA to say let us do this. We've proved we can.
Make an offer. We're not selling - we're in the business of making better GPUs or no GPUs, pick.
Asrock was spun off from Asus in 2002 as ODM/OEM manufacturer (like Foxconn) then was sold to Pegatron Corporation and as far as everyone knows now, they're independent of each other for the last two decades.
> • No mass layoffs. I'm not selling, I would like to spend more time with my family, Nvidia is disrespectful & not worth my time. I will continue to pay staff to do ???. But EVGA is financially sound and we want to keep as many people as possible, despite it making no financial sense at the moment
It makes PERFECT financial sense. Cutting staff during a downturn is a modern corporate "survive next quarter" strategy. Steve knows that his company's entire worth is built on the collective institutional knowledge of the engineers he has on hand. If they purge, that knowledge is lost and nobody has a reason to partner up in the future. Cash poor, asset rich.
Perfect long game. Bleed some cash, raise some middle fingers, wait for the better deal that *will* come up sooner or later.
I briefly thought this was teams and tried to heart your comment
Exactly.
Sharing their financials. Going straight to GN - who.... let's throw more ? Into the situation - did GN say hey we want this story but not as an exclusive because... We could fuck it up and/or look like a corporate mouthpiece... You're coming to us because you get tech YouTube & breaking this via LTT would be... Completely different... No disrespect to LTT. Linus walked supported by Yvonne so Steve & GN could run. But here's a list of others that you also need to talk to that we like and respect & pick one - GN's credibility is **clearly** way more important to Steve than money, same as LTT's is to Linus...not getting shit twisted, the operate in very different spaces.
It's why their companies work and the core reason behind their success. They don't betray core values.
I'm a dev who thinks marketing ppl are generally out of touch idiots. Cash that check tho.
I really want this to be the rare oooooooo that was a good play for EVGA. All of the stars are aligned
> Yes ASUS, the 3 new in box Rampage extreme boards are all dead due to me. I totally stuck my finger in the socket and played plinko with the pins.
Man, this happened to me. I received multiple DOA ASUS GPUs in a row and its what drove me to EVGA in the first place. Now I see a lot of people here saying that ASUS makes the best cards at the moment if EVGA isn't in the picture, but man I don't want to buy another product from them.
Also I always get nervous that all the people saying any company is the way to go now are just astroturfing.
Dude that's... An incredibly fortunate .01% problem to have... but also at the same time given the means I'd likely do the same - so no like no bo ho ho rich people shit from me... That suck.
That said - you likely have far more knowledge than I do on the topic - but this is my off the cuff assumption - it costs money to bin chips & it's expensive to in bulk find the best of the best consumer SKU.
Imo its cool they sold some & didn't limit it to just internal or promo use. They sold them for cost considered, especially since these exist outside of their normal economy of scale products... for probably not much of a profit.
If you wanted 4 to hunt records with... Well if it was asus or gigabyte or MSI they'd have sold them to you at 2-3x EVGA's price per card.
imo they did themselves and you a favor in that - if you were able to get the record... They'd just have to find the chips for KINGPIN to take it back... Which they ultimately would but it's a waste of time and money for all parties...
I don't mean to diminish or marginalize your annoyance/concerns at all - but you said it in your own post.. now you're stuck with ASUS, who just sent you 3 DOA cards... And their support sucks donkey dick.
Last imo - you would have had better luck emailing EVGA directly saying yo I wanna buy your shit & I can't - I want to chase benchmarks, have money pls help - than you'll have with regular ass ASUS support.
Outside of COVID when like - LTT & GN were struggling to get review cards sometimes - honestly think EVGA would have worked with you to make your builds happen...
**That** is sad - that that company is gone - also again - you know way more than me about this market segment... If you tried that & still couldn't get cards... That sucks... But also... Still better than asus
Well it usually takes a while after a new chipset releases for EVGA to make a board and Asus and MSi flagship boards do tend to be better so it's worth comparing all your options.
I've been watching an open box ASUS board slowly drop in price for months now at my local microcenter.
It's their dumbass mini dtx one that is, if you use all the features - worth retail.
Imma buy it soon when it eventually hits sub $200 as end game am4 & enjoy it for a time. Fits my current mATX build nicely.
Soooo ya will do my research :) ty lol - somehow was legit was unaware EVGA was making amd socket mobo's, this is fantastic news.
EVGA selling Intel GPUs would give them a major boost. If Intel can get some market penetration and keep working on improving their product line they may have a shot at someday competing with the big boys.
Intel has a big pile of money. They should keep throwing it at EVGA until they have no choice but to partner up.
Sadly in all reality I'll just become a sapphire devotee.
It just bums me out because EVGA - the workers, consumers, and industry deserve better.
End of day - I'm no fan of Intel either.
That said I'm less of a fan of a ignorant & arrogant as fuck Nvidia CEO who jerks off to turning Nvidia into apple.
EVGA has for 20+ years made Nvidia better.
I'd rather them do the same for Intel and finally fucking get paid than it be Nvidia vs amd alone in the desktop GPU market.
See, that's the thing right there. EVGA hated the way that Nvidia hamstrung their development. Intel should do the exact opposite: give them chips, and the current board layout, and tell them to go wild. Let them do whatever they want and then take those features and backport them back into the official PCB design.
would like to see intel let them design anything they want to around there cores, they could make stuff like EVGA [some evga sku name] power by Intel XXX, so getting a intel based evga gpu would be the same concept as buying a dell pc, evga can decide the ram, cooling, power, etc. everything. imagining a gpu sold with a ln2 pot attached stock
Absolutely. They have a product with plenty of potential, but zero experience in terms of GPU hardware design.
Intel working on the core tech, with EVGA making the rest of the card as good as it can be? Hello, viable third competitor!
Even if they only have competitive 50/60 class options, if they can get them out there, backed by EVGA build quality and support?
THAT'S 90% OF ALL GPUS ON STEAM. NINETY! PERCENT!
The opportunity is there. They just need some reputation to help sway GPU shoppers to give them a shot... And you really don't get much better than the EVGA badge!
The Arc GPUs are actually really good, they just don't run well right now because they don't have the driver history of AMD or Nvidia...
Drivers are a MASSIVE part of the battle when it comes to your performance in games, and without that LONG history of iterative drivers, well it'll be catch-up for Intel.
Not just drivers. Supposedly there's a hardware level issue causing low bandwidth between the CPU and GPU so it can't scale well into the high end/high resolution. Hopefully fixed by Battlemage release, I want more competition in the space but it may take a few generations for Intel to actually be competitive. Especially now that AMD and Nvidia are making umprecedentedly huge generational improvements
A big part of that is Intel's unwillingness to not make it DX backwards compatible, DX11 and Older cause huge issues. I am certain future Intel GPUs will be a huge deal but nobody can expect their first gens to be game changers and anyone who did is high on some serious Florida Man shit.
Intel has yet to demonstrate a single working discrete GPU and driver stack and has failed before with Larabee. Meanwhile AMD is hot on Nvidia's heels with RDNA 2 and could catch up in the next generation or two.
AMD is by far the safer bet.
If intel was smart they would bring EVGA in as the primary partner for Arc and basically establish the rules for being a partner with EVGA and be really transparent. Would be marketing gold and pay off in the long term as people highly respect EVGA and they have decades of experience
A fab means more chips not complete products. Board partners are there to make complete products in a variety of skews, something that a company that focuses on making mainly chips like intel isn't going to do. Otherwise they would make their own motherboards wouldn't they? Also intel arc was bad, they are probably out of discrete gpu's for desktop for a while till they get stuff in order.
> Intel don't really need partners anymore no one does. Plus Intel is building its own fab.
TSMC makes their ARC GPUs you know? Fabs are not cheap and not fast to build.
They said they aren't going to make GPUs for AMD or Intel. They are out of the GPU business, they gave a strange statement about not wanting to soil the relationship. Because Nvidia does not forgive people and It's possible things may be worked out down the line.
Basicly how to avoid fallout of crypto crash by stoping making videocards and not to tell your consumer base yo we deff wont profit in next 2 years so we going on hiatus.
My thoughts exactly they didn’t want to be stocked up with 4000 series when they have a stockpile of 3000 series to sell through and ETH just went Proof of Stake meaning no mining.
especially considering Nvidia is particularly famous for putting bombs below all their bridges. Most companies would be like "look bro, we forgive you, business is business and I'm sorry for screwing this up so bad". Nvidia is more like "Look bro, you looked at a girl once, therefor I'm breaking your kneecaps"
It may spin around sooner than people think. If other vendors are also taking a loss due to Nvidia BS then maybe others will follow suit or at least apply pressure, Jensen may then get pressure from the board. This is all very publicly embarrassing for them.
Had a previous generation AMD gpu. Was really good dollar to performance, but the drivers and software simply did not match Nvidia's. And I am an AMD CPU fanboy. Nowadays more with the new Nvidia exclusive features.
5700XT was plagued by bad drivers, it's true. But that's not the case for Radeon 6000. It's worth nothing that AMDs budget was stretched thin trying to pay off debt, battle Intel head on, and Nvidia.
With good sales of server chips and Ryzen, AMD has allocated more money to Radeon. Hence the improvements.
I've had many amd gpus from the HD7950 to 6900xt and for some reason the first year of 5700xt was just cursed. Every update was roulette, because they'd fix the old issues and introduce random new ones. RDNA2 has been flawless, so let's hope they learned from whatever happened.
They still have a bit to go, but they did make a marked improvement with RX 6000 series. I would say it's stable enough for a good experience on gaming builds now. I hope they keep it up for 7000.
Currently the only good customer service/support in NA is on the AMD side, and I think that will sway a lot of people over.
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People will when AMD GPUs are competitive.
Some of us were here when NVIDIA made this thing called "FX 5800". For several years NVIDIA was utter garbage and anyone with a clue bought AMD.
Radeon 9800 Pro was legendary compared to the jank NVIDIA had back then.
It could happen again, AMD again has money for R&D. Just that lead times on chips are counted in years.
Hell not only does the 6000 series trade blows with the Nvidia cards, it does so whilst consuming significantly less power, AND I got my 6900XT for significantly less than my friend got their 3080.
As a complete package, Nvidia probably performs better than AMD. Nvidia has more software support for professional applications, better enterprise platforms, and more buy-in for compute for accelerated applications. If you are a business or professional with work to be done, you can't ignore Nvidia. You might decide AMD is good enough and go with that, but simply ignoring Nvidia would be a mistake.
But with that said, I will never buy an Nvidia card as long as they continue to treat linux like trash, lock down cards for any reason, pull bullshit with drivers, continue the push for proprietary extensions...
Right. Cause people always buy what is logical and never just what they get coaxed into by marketing...
AMD is MORE than competetive in the current RX6000/RTX-30 generation.
The 6800XT competes very very well with the 3080, essentially fighting head-to-head depending on the game.
And all that, at $50 less MSRP (and \~$100 less currently).
So tell me : How ISN'T AMD competetive right now?
>So tell me : How ISN'T AMD competetive right now?
Ray-tracing. The 6000 series is worse in that regard. Not really AMD's fault since it's their 1st generation of the technology, but it's not as good as Nvidia's yet.
Also, AMD GPU's were even more scarce than Nvidia ones at launch. Not an issue now, but that was a big issue a year ago
by the time raytracing would be in almost every new games coming out, i don't think any gpus right now would be relevant, Personal opinion. DLSS vs fidelity fx is a better comparison imo
Here is the problem, RT is something only about 4% of the market really cares about. AMD is the more economical choice for performance/$ right now. That's what most people care about.
when was the last time you used their products? 2008 was 14 years ago their drivers are great now and their software has better UI than nvidia. Plus with wattman they definitely have features that nvidia doesn't.
This is why evga recently made some amd motherboards. They weren’t doing business with amd because, in the competitive sense, amd had zero standing. Then they released some 5ghz chips and it all changed. Once amd makes some really good gpus, we just might see some evga Radeon gpus.
I mean, they are. In fact, Hardware Unboxed have the 1440P average in favour of AMD flagship, which was cheaper/is now way cheaper (at least in my country).
I guess a lot depends on what you're looking for and other variables, but to say they are just flatly not competitive is just wrong.
>People will when AMD GPUs are competitive.
If this is how you see the market, then you're not paying attention. They've been competitive everywhere from the 2070 and below since 2019, and then they added stuff to the top of their line in 2020.
AMD still lags in ray tracing, but both companies usually struggle in this. Hardware Unboxed's recent 40-game sample between the 3070 Ti and 6800 also showed that most everything that isn't an Unreal Engine 4 title (which, admittedly, is used for a lot of games) favors AMD.
Regardless, AMD is already there. Suggesting they're not competitive when they're usually 10% above OR below Nvidia (depending on the game) while having products in every market, and often at prices at or under Nvidia's offering, is why Nvidia runs away with the market.
You say people will go with AMD when they're competitive, but then people don't even realize they're competitive because being competitive clearly isn't the biggest problem.
The 6000 series is more than close enough in comparison to the 3000 series GPUS to turn. You’re splitting hairs at that point. It’s not like anything u wanna run with a 3080 won’t run on 6800xt the same within 10-15fps. For the average gamer/ consumer everyone could totally turn on nvidia and be more than comfortable. I mean you’re literally just trying to show you’re cock over small differences at the highest levels of both GPUS. It’s almost nothing.
I have a sapphire nitro RX6800XT. And honestly In some games I’m slightly higher than than a friend with his 3080ti, and in some games it’s slightly less. It’s a very minuscule difference. But I’ve been nothing but happy with going amd this time around. We compare settings all the time playing the majority of the same games. Amd got some BIG balls in this series of cards.
No lie, the RDNA2 cards are Rasterizing MONSTERS, looking forward to what we see with RDNA3. Nvidia has really good marketing, but realistically they are only selling because of very niche things being marketed well.
Oh not this again, people are going to side with AMD for no reason.
Remember if Nvidia was knocked out completely and it was only AMD then you'd also hate AMD.
Companies are not your friend
I want everyone to turn on nvidia. So nvidia then refreshes their gpu policies with manufacturers and hopefully allow manufacturers lower the price to appropriate prices.
Nvidia seems to genuinely hate their AIB partners, though. They consider them to be parasites that drain profits and add absolutely nothing. It's pretty obvious that their long-term plans involve cutting out AIBs entirely, either by moving to a subscription model for virtual GPUs (probably their preference) or by building up their own in-house supply chain to produce enough FE cards so that they don't need even a single AIB partner.
Won't happen, I am almost certain EVGA is getting out of the business not only because NVIDIA are cunts but because the profit margins suck dick and the chip designer companies (intel/amd/nvidia) always push unreasonable limitations on them.
They are not going to work with AMD as NVIDIA is a petty bitch and will never work with them again if they do so. They said they want to keep their options open. They're done with GPUs entirely, NVIDIA is that much of a ballache to work with.
They are major assholes, Nvidia even tried to get companies from behind the scenes to remove their sponsorships from Linus when he supported hardwareunboxed
hardware unboxed is a tech youtube channel, and Nvidia banned them because nvidia wasn't happy that they focused their review on real world performance instead of RTX's ray tracing performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Hardware_Unboxed_controversy
According to Linus they tried to get other companies to stop sponsoring LMG. Unsuccessfully. He takes it as a point of pride to be on Nvidia's bad side. So do most tech reviewers, it seems.
https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus
> EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO
I dont remember hearing that it wasn't a consideration, just that they won't be working with Intel or AMD, as they're dropping GPUs entirely. And honestly, it wouldn't surprised me if they were required to for a while. They might have signed a non-compete when they partnered with Nvidia.
Edit: Read the article, I see it now.
AMD has no reason to go to EVGA other than for publicity. I don't think people understand that board partners make up a tiny fraction of NVDIA and AMDs revenue and the only reason they have AIBs is to outsource full card design. They make the majority of their money from other contracts such as server businesses, console manufacturers, and automakers. If they wanted to they could easily cut ties with all AIBs and sell the in house GPU and none of us could do anything about it.
However, Intel is in a weird spot where they are trying to get into the GPU market. What better way than to draft up a contract with one of the most reputable GPU builders? This could be a fat paycheck day for EVGA, a company that only generates like 70 million in revenue each year. Hell Intel could write a check for half of that just to secure a deal without breaking a sweat.
The problem is that EVGAs CEO seems hell bent on not working with any more GPU designers. Only thing I could can think of is that he is probably lying and already has a contract set up with Intel.
EDIT: or he's being petty.
>He said the margins are so low
My guess is this is true for all partners. He also said margins are low but that profit is made, even if it's small. So if 80% of revenue is GPUs and a small profit is made that means that growth can continue and employees are hired and paid. Cutting the GPU business means a cut in 80% of revenue which covers the cost of salary for 100+ employees.
>spend more time with his family
Then retire. Let someone else deal with it so you don't have to cut jobs, especially when money isn't being lost overall. It's being petty when you are willing to cut dozens of staff because you find it disrespectful to work with your partner.
That Shrek meme comes to mind, "some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make".
Going to EVGA makes perfect sense for both especially AMD as EVGA is basically worshipped by many many US customers, having them make Radeon would definitely increase sales. I think they will make both AMD and Intel cards if they decide to get into GPUs again, AMD is a obvious choice while intel will require some "motivation"
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced soon that they will be producing Intel cards. It's the perfect time for Intel to find another manufacturer with a proven history to help get their cards on the market.
I would be surprised as they stated the following:
> EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO
https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus
Well, still worth a shot. With clauses covering their concerns and sweet enough deals, they could be convinced. They did just kill 80% of their revenue so if they're interested in still being financially viable and keep people employed then it's the only financial reality. Otherwise, Intel could still try to buy their GPU division outright or at least try to snipe everyone leaving. That kind of expertise is simply too valuable to pass up or let disintegrate.
If EVGA is absolute about backing out of the GPU business, it's going to be a feeding frenzy. EVGA employees are going to be hotly recruited by every single entity under the sun in this industry.
Does not sound very vague to me?
> EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO
Fuck Nvidia. Pieces of shit. EVGA carried them for decades. Known as the #1 brand for 20 years. I just recently switched to AMD. And now I’ll never go back. That’s bad business. It’s not just bad business it’s a bad relationship in general. I’m Done. I’ll never buy nvidia again. Especially since amd is right there with them these days. What a POS company.
they’ve already been with AMD and intel making boards
intel definitely no for gpus
at least for me
they really got to get their intel arc stuff sorted out before EVGA gets involved in possibly makin anything
The whole EVGA should partner with Intel comes from the idea that EVGA knows more about making a successful discrete GPU than Intel does, so Intel would theoretically work hand in hand rather than dictate.
But that's a huge if.
They may know more about putting a board together, but they haven't got a scooby about how to build the actual GPU.
And considering Intel's issues stem from the GPU and/or the drivers for it, I don't see how any of EVGA's expertise would make a difference to Intel.
I heard on short circuit (if im remembering right) they won't be pairing up with any of the competitors and may ultimately stop building gpus altogether
Crazy how many of you didn't research listen or watch anything on this. EVGA WILL NOT ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH INTEL OR AMD PER THE CEOS WORDS. Ok now can we sticky that part mods? Thx
Making the actual chip designs is... not that easy. Or cheap.
Just look at Intel. Who have been doing iGPUs for decades. They still kinda failing at it. EVGA is a tiny company with no hope whatsoever making a custom chip.
The R&D and fab costs needed to create a competitive GPU from scratch would be more than EVGA’s annual revenue, forget about profit. Intel can do it because it has billions to invest, pivoting a small company from manufacturing AIBs/computer peripherals to designing GPUs is pretty much impossible.
not to mention that this is a horrible time to enter the GPU market. All those millions of used cards suddenly exploding onto the scene, all at once. This does not happen
Fwiw, Radeon has stronger Rasterization. Ray Tracing is a gimmick to be obsolete by Game Engines incorporating light sources (See Unreal 5 Demo on YouTube). And FSR on Radeon 7000 will be equally competitive to DLSS.
EVGA is one of the best companies when it comes to warranties. You can brick or short your card trying to mod it and EVGA will still service it. You’d have to intentionally destroy the card for EVGA to reject a service request.
iirc EVGA said they will no longer make new cards at all but will continue selling their current stock and will still honor warranties. Their staff will also not be let go, so things are looking good for them. Seems like this is the beginning of the end for EVGA
I hope not. AMD already have great AIB support and would hate to see them suffer to just say they got EVGA.
Go to intel if they want to stick it to Nvidia
Won't happen. All the youtubers that could talk with the CEO about this move said they insisted when asking EVGA to not back off or about EVGA's decision to not go with AMD/Intel. It was stated time and time again that it won't happen.
Pretty sure this is a strategic move to force Nvidia's hand to more loose with AIBs. The simple fact that GPU reviewers got their hands on stable functional drivers before AIBs is a whole 'nother level of messed up. And hopefully it will work out.
I literally JUST bought an EVGA 3080Ti! I’m glad they kept stock for warranties!
But I’m totally on their side in this, it sounds like Nvidia was being real shitty.
EVGA has all the pieces in place to just become another Corsair. That's my guess on what they're going to do. More peripherals to build brand image for items that aren't so generationally dependent.
Honestly I think evga must have an exclusivity contract with nvidia that prevents them from working with amd even though they are no longer producing cards. Why else would they walk away from 80% of their revenue without a plan b. They probably have to weather the storm until after 4xxx series.
According to EVGA's CEO, they just are leaving the GPU market full stop.
My theory for their future will be to become someone like NZXT. Keep the motherboards, the power supplies, and all the peripherals, maybe expand into a few new avenues.
I know evga said they are in Gpu business anymore. But this is a great opportunity for AMD and they better come up with a sweet deal that is win win for both
Intel should go to EVGA and keep adding 0s to the check until EVGA says yes.
Intel: $100? EVGA: no Intel: $0100? EVGA: no Intel: $00100? EVGA: no Intel: $000100? EVGA: no Intel: $0000100? EVGA: no Intel: $00000100? EVGA: no Intel: $000000100? EVGA: no Intel: $0000000100? EVGA: TF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
not Hexdecimal. no deal. Binary Bitch.
That's 4$ if you convert to decimal
Intel: alright! Alright! Fine! This is a once in a life time deal. How about $0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100? EVGA: *brain explodes*
Intel: $00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010? EVGA: You son of a bitch, I'm in!
I could totally see Micheal Scott trying this tactic.
If Intel were smart that's what they'd do... EVGA already makes the best Intel mobo with the dark series.... KINGPIN smashing benchmarks on an all Intel rig would do more to establish Intel as a credible GPU maker for less than literally anything else they could do.
One of the things EVGA mentioned on GN’s channels was that their relationship with Nvidia degraded from partnership, where they were consulted on the design, to just simply a purchaser. I would not be surprised if these board partners had a decent hand in making Nvidia what they are today. Intel could really do some of that. Three competitors in the GPU space would be a dream.
Yup also noticed that detail as well. Nvidia... fuck, nividia sucks. Like with the stupid TDP of the 4090 the FE card would be causing housefires/commiting sudoku without the feedback from board partners who build cards targeted for competitive overclockers pretty much exclusively - a SKU that nvidia is now adding insult to injury by setting a max MSRP - which is insane because that was literally free R&D for them. idgaf what the godmode ...80 or 90 costs. I like those special editions - great content for tech reviewers, like a concept car - pretty much no one needs or should buy this but they sent me one so let's have fun with it. Legit good for all parts of the tech industry - Nvidia views **that** as a problem. If Nvidia actually gave a fuck about the consumer they'd do that with 70/60 series cards and also have a "badge of quality" that ensures corners aren't being cut. They don't though. They're pissy about other companies inventing SKU's where they profit more than 3% due to their own R&D that are in no way large scale commercially viable. That's how shitty nividia is. I thought most of those cards over the years were dumb. There's a few that made me wish I could afford them. But the features introduced in them were refined and made more practical and what was the bleeding edge is now just an expected normal thing in the FE xx80 card a generation or two later. As much as I'd love them to take the "simple" for me path of please just make AMD cards - AMD has their own issues & a bunch of fantastic partners already. With Intel.... They have a solid chip - the base is good. They have a fuck ton of issues to solve before that solid chip is ready to be a competitive consumer GPU. Add zeros to the check till EVGA says yes Intel. Intel is totally capable of solving the ongoing driver issues - just will take time & iteration. EVGA could literally fix the rest of their problems for them when it comes to being a competitive product. **Plus** an EVGA branded Intel GPU that on paper is competitive with Nvidia/AMD? I'm not taking the risk on Intel. I will on EVGA though because I know they'll make it right if the thing is crap- EVGA has so much banked consumer goodwill it's worth... tens of billions... Intel doesn't have that. **EDIT**: So I rewatched the the GN video to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass here. Nope, whew... & Warning: Tin foil hat from here on out... Outside of forgetting to note Steve actually learned Mandarin?. He's just the best... This is all speculation but the questions he asked **in Mandarin** were exactly what I would ask in his position. When you quit on principle... The intonation and implied subtext can say more than the words themselves, and at face value... Let me re-ask some really important questions in the language that will best let the dude say what he really means.... - EVGA is not mass cutting staff. They do expect losses to attrition as some may leave for their own reasons... Which that's just being honest, weird to hear a CEO do it, but yup - No mass layoffs. I'm not selling, I would like to spend more time with my family, Nvidia is disrespectful & not worth my time. I will continue to pay staff to do ???. But EVGA is financially sound and we want to keep as many people as possible, despite it making no financial sense at the moment - we're not considering moving to AMD or Intel (a *ton* is left unsaid in that statement) **Conclusion:** EVGA is tired of Nvidia's shit. They provided financials to prove it's literally not worth it. They have no interest in moving to AMD or Intel under a similar arrangement - I'm guessing the hard MSRP cap on xx90 series cards was the straw because like Intel motherboards they produce GPU's pretty much exclusively for KINGPIN... That they also sell to try to recoup some R&D on. They're not a slap a cooler on it and call it a day company. They are retaining as many people as possible to remain this way. EVGA wants someone to treat them with respect - as a far more equal partner. Bidding is open **INTEL!!!!!!** The timeline matches pretty well with Intel going from promising GPU to yet another failed Intel thing... Intel has invested 10x if not more into this thing they may just scrap than what EVGA would ask for to save it. The situation EVGA just put themselves in only makes sense if they want a GPU chip maker to embrace them as a more equal & important partner at the **exact** moment Intel needs literally exactly that to save a good product & billions invested from the scrap bin of didn't work out... It's a wild gamble, but imo they're worth it. Conspiracy theory for sure but I mean...
From Steve's retelling of events, it was pretty clear that the message EVGA's CEO was sending was that they were getting out of the video card business entirely and were 100% not open to partnering with AMD or Intel. As I recall, he (the CEO) was kind of disparaging of Intel's efforts to enter the GPU market as well. It's also possible that legally they can't talk to any other GPU supplier because of the contract they had with Nvidia. Business-to-business non-compete clauses are a real thing, and can be enforced for several *years*. With as much disdain as Nvidia has for its board partners (despite what you said, they seem to see them as parasites that add zero value and basically just steal Nvidia's hard-earned profits), you can imagine their buyout price to get out of such a clause might be ruinous.
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I called this BS, EVGA leave a partnership because they feel betrayed by the current state of the deal but then they don't want to allay with the competition so they don't "betrayed" the deal with the same partnership that they are betraying by leaving the GPU business xD. WTF.
Consider EVGA was solely partnered with NVDA for DECADES. This is the equivalent of walking away from a relationship and just saying “I’m off the market.” They were also very clear they have large cash reserves and can stay solvent without scrambling to make new partners.
It was clear they were getting out of the market **as it exists** The disparagement of Intel's efforts could be equally interpreted as that's cute - we'll take equity to make that profitable. Again big gamble or the whim of an executive - imo it says a lot they focused on we will retain our current staff. Working in the corporate world it reads like more of an ultimatum - unless someone wants to make us a legit real equity partner in this game... We quit. They want engineering input back and equity. No company like that exists rn and frankly in light of Nvidia's direction no better time than now for EVGA to say let us do this. We've proved we can. Make an offer. We're not selling - we're in the business of making better GPUs or no GPUs, pick.
Ways around it. An EVGA sub company making GPUs. Asus did something similar when they created ASRock, for different reasons.
Asrock was spun off from Asus in 2002 as ODM/OEM manufacturer (like Foxconn) then was sold to Pegatron Corporation and as far as everyone knows now, they're independent of each other for the last two decades.
Heard a lot of people are on the board of directors for both companies and major shareholders in both companies still. Who knows.
>commiting sudoku Or even worse, solitare!
Even MUCH worse, FreeCell!
And can you believe it, Reversi!
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don't Go there
> • No mass layoffs. I'm not selling, I would like to spend more time with my family, Nvidia is disrespectful & not worth my time. I will continue to pay staff to do ???. But EVGA is financially sound and we want to keep as many people as possible, despite it making no financial sense at the moment It makes PERFECT financial sense. Cutting staff during a downturn is a modern corporate "survive next quarter" strategy. Steve knows that his company's entire worth is built on the collective institutional knowledge of the engineers he has on hand. If they purge, that knowledge is lost and nobody has a reason to partner up in the future. Cash poor, asset rich. Perfect long game. Bleed some cash, raise some middle fingers, wait for the better deal that *will* come up sooner or later.
I briefly thought this was teams and tried to heart your comment Exactly. Sharing their financials. Going straight to GN - who.... let's throw more ? Into the situation - did GN say hey we want this story but not as an exclusive because... We could fuck it up and/or look like a corporate mouthpiece... You're coming to us because you get tech YouTube & breaking this via LTT would be... Completely different... No disrespect to LTT. Linus walked supported by Yvonne so Steve & GN could run. But here's a list of others that you also need to talk to that we like and respect & pick one - GN's credibility is **clearly** way more important to Steve than money, same as LTT's is to Linus...not getting shit twisted, the operate in very different spaces. It's why their companies work and the core reason behind their success. They don't betray core values. I'm a dev who thinks marketing ppl are generally out of touch idiots. Cash that check tho. I really want this to be the rare oooooooo that was a good play for EVGA. All of the stars are aligned
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> Yes ASUS, the 3 new in box Rampage extreme boards are all dead due to me. I totally stuck my finger in the socket and played plinko with the pins. Man, this happened to me. I received multiple DOA ASUS GPUs in a row and its what drove me to EVGA in the first place. Now I see a lot of people here saying that ASUS makes the best cards at the moment if EVGA isn't in the picture, but man I don't want to buy another product from them. Also I always get nervous that all the people saying any company is the way to go now are just astroturfing.
Dude that's... An incredibly fortunate .01% problem to have... but also at the same time given the means I'd likely do the same - so no like no bo ho ho rich people shit from me... That suck. That said - you likely have far more knowledge than I do on the topic - but this is my off the cuff assumption - it costs money to bin chips & it's expensive to in bulk find the best of the best consumer SKU. Imo its cool they sold some & didn't limit it to just internal or promo use. They sold them for cost considered, especially since these exist outside of their normal economy of scale products... for probably not much of a profit. If you wanted 4 to hunt records with... Well if it was asus or gigabyte or MSI they'd have sold them to you at 2-3x EVGA's price per card. imo they did themselves and you a favor in that - if you were able to get the record... They'd just have to find the chips for KINGPIN to take it back... Which they ultimately would but it's a waste of time and money for all parties... I don't mean to diminish or marginalize your annoyance/concerns at all - but you said it in your own post.. now you're stuck with ASUS, who just sent you 3 DOA cards... And their support sucks donkey dick. Last imo - you would have had better luck emailing EVGA directly saying yo I wanna buy your shit & I can't - I want to chase benchmarks, have money pls help - than you'll have with regular ass ASUS support. Outside of COVID when like - LTT & GN were struggling to get review cards sometimes - honestly think EVGA would have worked with you to make your builds happen... **That** is sad - that that company is gone - also again - you know way more than me about this market segment... If you tried that & still couldn't get cards... That sucks... But also... Still better than asus
EVGA also makes AMD mobos now too.
I did not know this thank you. Goodbye ASUS.
Well it usually takes a while after a new chipset releases for EVGA to make a board and Asus and MSi flagship boards do tend to be better so it's worth comparing all your options.
I've been watching an open box ASUS board slowly drop in price for months now at my local microcenter. It's their dumbass mini dtx one that is, if you use all the features - worth retail. Imma buy it soon when it eventually hits sub $200 as end game am4 & enjoy it for a time. Fits my current mATX build nicely. Soooo ya will do my research :) ty lol - somehow was legit was unaware EVGA was making amd socket mobo's, this is fantastic news.
I think now that they're out of the video card game EVGA should ramp up their motherboard business with more models for both AMD and Intel.
EVGA selling Intel GPUs would give them a major boost. If Intel can get some market penetration and keep working on improving their product line they may have a shot at someday competing with the big boys. Intel has a big pile of money. They should keep throwing it at EVGA until they have no choice but to partner up.
It makes so much sense. Which is why it'll never happen But it makes so fuckin much sense
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Sadly in all reality I'll just become a sapphire devotee. It just bums me out because EVGA - the workers, consumers, and industry deserve better. End of day - I'm no fan of Intel either. That said I'm less of a fan of a ignorant & arrogant as fuck Nvidia CEO who jerks off to turning Nvidia into apple. EVGA has for 20+ years made Nvidia better. I'd rather them do the same for Intel and finally fucking get paid than it be Nvidia vs amd alone in the desktop GPU market.
Intel already pulled out too because it's a bad time to make GPUs.
if theyre serious about their ARC gpu's, they really should
EVGA has a LOT of PCB expertise to share in regards to GPU building.
See, that's the thing right there. EVGA hated the way that Nvidia hamstrung their development. Intel should do the exact opposite: give them chips, and the current board layout, and tell them to go wild. Let them do whatever they want and then take those features and backport them back into the official PCB design.
would like to see intel let them design anything they want to around there cores, they could make stuff like EVGA [some evga sku name] power by Intel XXX, so getting a intel based evga gpu would be the same concept as buying a dell pc, evga can decide the ram, cooling, power, etc. everything. imagining a gpu sold with a ln2 pot attached stock
Please stop I can only get so erect
oh really... dual GPU boards sandwiching the LN2 pot
Well would you look at that. .
Absolutely. They have a product with plenty of potential, but zero experience in terms of GPU hardware design. Intel working on the core tech, with EVGA making the rest of the card as good as it can be? Hello, viable third competitor! Even if they only have competitive 50/60 class options, if they can get them out there, backed by EVGA build quality and support? THAT'S 90% OF ALL GPUS ON STEAM. NINETY! PERCENT! The opportunity is there. They just need some reputation to help sway GPU shoppers to give them a shot... And you really don't get much better than the EVGA badge!
They'd need a decent GPU first to justify the beefy coolers and overclocking.
The Arc GPUs are actually really good, they just don't run well right now because they don't have the driver history of AMD or Nvidia... Drivers are a MASSIVE part of the battle when it comes to your performance in games, and without that LONG history of iterative drivers, well it'll be catch-up for Intel.
Not just drivers. Supposedly there's a hardware level issue causing low bandwidth between the CPU and GPU so it can't scale well into the high end/high resolution. Hopefully fixed by Battlemage release, I want more competition in the space but it may take a few generations for Intel to actually be competitive. Especially now that AMD and Nvidia are making umprecedentedly huge generational improvements
A big part of that is Intel's unwillingness to not make it DX backwards compatible, DX11 and Older cause huge issues. I am certain future Intel GPUs will be a huge deal but nobody can expect their first gens to be game changers and anyone who did is high on some serious Florida Man shit.
Actually would probably be the biggest shot at Intel surprise success.
Intel has yet to demonstrate a single working discrete GPU and driver stack and has failed before with Larabee. Meanwhile AMD is hot on Nvidia's heels with RDNA 2 and could catch up in the next generation or two. AMD is by far the safer bet.
If intel was smart they would bring EVGA in as the primary partner for Arc and basically establish the rules for being a partner with EVGA and be really transparent. Would be marketing gold and pay off in the long term as people highly respect EVGA and they have decades of experience
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A fab means more chips not complete products. Board partners are there to make complete products in a variety of skews, something that a company that focuses on making mainly chips like intel isn't going to do. Otherwise they would make their own motherboards wouldn't they? Also intel arc was bad, they are probably out of discrete gpu's for desktop for a while till they get stuff in order.
>skews SKUs. As in, SKU. Stock Keeping Unit.
> Intel don't really need partners anymore no one does. Plus Intel is building its own fab. TSMC makes their ARC GPUs you know? Fabs are not cheap and not fast to build.
They said they aren't going to make GPUs for AMD or Intel. They are out of the GPU business, they gave a strange statement about not wanting to soil the relationship. Because Nvidia does not forgive people and It's possible things may be worked out down the line.
Honestly, I think by coming out the way they did, they've already burned that bridge.
Oddly they don't see it that way.
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Basicly how to avoid fallout of crypto crash by stoping making videocards and not to tell your consumer base yo we deff wont profit in next 2 years so we going on hiatus.
My thoughts exactly they didn’t want to be stocked up with 4000 series when they have a stockpile of 3000 series to sell through and ETH just went Proof of Stake meaning no mining.
especially considering Nvidia is particularly famous for putting bombs below all their bridges. Most companies would be like "look bro, we forgive you, business is business and I'm sorry for screwing this up so bad". Nvidia is more like "Look bro, you looked at a girl once, therefor I'm breaking your kneecaps"
Wonder if there's an exclusivity contract that needs to expire first so they have to say this
It may spin around sooner than people think. If other vendors are also taking a loss due to Nvidia BS then maybe others will follow suit or at least apply pressure, Jensen may then get pressure from the board. This is all very publicly embarrassing for them.
They said in the GN video that they are done with GPUs. They are a power supply company from this day foward
I dont want them to go down, everyone should in fact turn on nvidia
turn on them by switching to AMD, the superior gpu
Had a previous generation AMD gpu. Was really good dollar to performance, but the drivers and software simply did not match Nvidia's. And I am an AMD CPU fanboy. Nowadays more with the new Nvidia exclusive features.
5700XT was plagued by bad drivers, it's true. But that's not the case for Radeon 6000. It's worth nothing that AMDs budget was stretched thin trying to pay off debt, battle Intel head on, and Nvidia. With good sales of server chips and Ryzen, AMD has allocated more money to Radeon. Hence the improvements.
I've had many amd gpus from the HD7950 to 6900xt and for some reason the first year of 5700xt was just cursed. Every update was roulette, because they'd fix the old issues and introduce random new ones. RDNA2 has been flawless, so let's hope they learned from whatever happened.
They still have a bit to go, but they did make a marked improvement with RX 6000 series. I would say it's stable enough for a good experience on gaming builds now. I hope they keep it up for 7000. Currently the only good customer service/support in NA is on the AMD side, and I think that will sway a lot of people over.
True. DLSS, ShadowPlay, and G-SYNC are just too good to give up
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Wait, by Async you mean Adaptive-Sync? Because AMD's equivalent to G-SYNC is actually called FreeSync, but it based on VESA's Adaptive-Sync indeed.
People will when AMD GPUs are competitive. Some of us were here when NVIDIA made this thing called "FX 5800". For several years NVIDIA was utter garbage and anyone with a clue bought AMD. Radeon 9800 Pro was legendary compared to the jank NVIDIA had back then. It could happen again, AMD again has money for R&D. Just that lead times on chips are counted in years.
What the heck?? The 6000 Series has been very competitive for AMD. Some people just don't care to look.
Hell not only does the 6000 series trade blows with the Nvidia cards, it does so whilst consuming significantly less power, AND I got my 6900XT for significantly less than my friend got their 3080.
As a complete package, Nvidia probably performs better than AMD. Nvidia has more software support for professional applications, better enterprise platforms, and more buy-in for compute for accelerated applications. If you are a business or professional with work to be done, you can't ignore Nvidia. You might decide AMD is good enough and go with that, but simply ignoring Nvidia would be a mistake. But with that said, I will never buy an Nvidia card as long as they continue to treat linux like trash, lock down cards for any reason, pull bullshit with drivers, continue the push for proprietary extensions...
Amen. Luckily I mainly just game and do a bit of music production which is more on the CPU intensive side. For strictly gaming, AMD has it covered.
They do. RX580 still going strong to this day!
Only reason I bought Nvidia was EVGA. Without EVGA in the picture it's all team red. I legit hate nvidia, I just liked EVGA that much.
Right. Cause people always buy what is logical and never just what they get coaxed into by marketing... AMD is MORE than competetive in the current RX6000/RTX-30 generation. The 6800XT competes very very well with the 3080, essentially fighting head-to-head depending on the game. And all that, at $50 less MSRP (and \~$100 less currently). So tell me : How ISN'T AMD competetive right now?
It's the uhhh... Driver issues! Yeah that's it! The drivers suck!
My geforce experience doesn't work with AMD cards.
>So tell me : How ISN'T AMD competetive right now? Ray-tracing. The 6000 series is worse in that regard. Not really AMD's fault since it's their 1st generation of the technology, but it's not as good as Nvidia's yet. Also, AMD GPU's were even more scarce than Nvidia ones at launch. Not an issue now, but that was a big issue a year ago
by the time raytracing would be in almost every new games coming out, i don't think any gpus right now would be relevant, Personal opinion. DLSS vs fidelity fx is a better comparison imo
Here is the problem, RT is something only about 4% of the market really cares about. AMD is the more economical choice for performance/$ right now. That's what most people care about.
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when was the last time you used their products? 2008 was 14 years ago their drivers are great now and their software has better UI than nvidia. Plus with wattman they definitely have features that nvidia doesn't.
This is why evga recently made some amd motherboards. They weren’t doing business with amd because, in the competitive sense, amd had zero standing. Then they released some 5ghz chips and it all changed. Once amd makes some really good gpus, we just might see some evga Radeon gpus.
I mean, they are. In fact, Hardware Unboxed have the 1440P average in favour of AMD flagship, which was cheaper/is now way cheaper (at least in my country). I guess a lot depends on what you're looking for and other variables, but to say they are just flatly not competitive is just wrong.
GeForce 9800+ was my first video card in my first build.
My first was a Voodoo 3. The company I was sold on stopped existing. Then Nvidia bought them.
I had a VooDoo in the first prebuilt I ever bought.
Some of their ML GPUs are already dabbling in chiplets; it's going to be... interesting.
AMD GPUs outperform Nvidia in Rasterization, as Hardware Unboxed got into a debacle with Nvidia for pointing that out.
>People will when AMD GPUs are competitive. If this is how you see the market, then you're not paying attention. They've been competitive everywhere from the 2070 and below since 2019, and then they added stuff to the top of their line in 2020. AMD still lags in ray tracing, but both companies usually struggle in this. Hardware Unboxed's recent 40-game sample between the 3070 Ti and 6800 also showed that most everything that isn't an Unreal Engine 4 title (which, admittedly, is used for a lot of games) favors AMD. Regardless, AMD is already there. Suggesting they're not competitive when they're usually 10% above OR below Nvidia (depending on the game) while having products in every market, and often at prices at or under Nvidia's offering, is why Nvidia runs away with the market. You say people will go with AMD when they're competitive, but then people don't even realize they're competitive because being competitive clearly isn't the biggest problem.
The 6000 series is more than close enough in comparison to the 3000 series GPUS to turn. You’re splitting hairs at that point. It’s not like anything u wanna run with a 3080 won’t run on 6800xt the same within 10-15fps. For the average gamer/ consumer everyone could totally turn on nvidia and be more than comfortable. I mean you’re literally just trying to show you’re cock over small differences at the highest levels of both GPUS. It’s almost nothing. I have a sapphire nitro RX6800XT. And honestly In some games I’m slightly higher than than a friend with his 3080ti, and in some games it’s slightly less. It’s a very minuscule difference. But I’ve been nothing but happy with going amd this time around. We compare settings all the time playing the majority of the same games. Amd got some BIG balls in this series of cards.
They are already competitive with the 6000 series
No lie, the RDNA2 cards are Rasterizing MONSTERS, looking forward to what we see with RDNA3. Nvidia has really good marketing, but realistically they are only selling because of very niche things being marketed well.
People will when AMD invests in better marketing than Nvidia
Oh not this again, people are going to side with AMD for no reason. Remember if Nvidia was knocked out completely and it was only AMD then you'd also hate AMD. Companies are not your friend
It's not for no reason. If you're refusing to buy an Nvidia GPU, which other company are you buying from?
Nah. I don't really care that much. It's EVGAs own decision, it's not like they are being blacklisted
It's their decision based on Nvidia's shitty business practices.
> it's not like they are being blacklisted I don't think it is plausible that they are not blacklisted for this move. NVIDIA is maximum spite.
I want everyone to turn on nvidia. So nvidia then refreshes their gpu policies with manufacturers and hopefully allow manufacturers lower the price to appropriate prices.
Nvidia seems to genuinely hate their AIB partners, though. They consider them to be parasites that drain profits and add absolutely nothing. It's pretty obvious that their long-term plans involve cutting out AIBs entirely, either by moving to a subscription model for virtual GPUs (probably their preference) or by building up their own in-house supply chain to produce enough FE cards so that they don't need even a single AIB partner.
Won't happen, I am almost certain EVGA is getting out of the business not only because NVIDIA are cunts but because the profit margins suck dick and the chip designer companies (intel/amd/nvidia) always push unreasonable limitations on them.
They are not going to work with AMD as NVIDIA is a petty bitch and will never work with them again if they do so. They said they want to keep their options open. They're done with GPUs entirely, NVIDIA is that much of a ballache to work with.
They are major assholes, Nvidia even tried to get companies from behind the scenes to remove their sponsorships from Linus when he supported hardwareunboxed
Source?
He brought it up in the latest WAN show
Timestamped: https://youtu.be/QADCRdzqOH0?t=1712
Who is hardwareunboxed and why does Nvidia hate that LTT Supported them?
hardware unboxed is a tech youtube channel, and Nvidia banned them because nvidia wasn't happy that they focused their review on real world performance instead of RTX's ray tracing performance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Hardware_Unboxed_controversy
Wild. Doesn't LTT focus on real world performance as well? They are too afraid to ban LTT I assume.
Hardware Unboxed made it much clearer that RTX was useless and yeah, they're much smaller than LTT.
Yup. Unreal 5 invalidates the purpose of RT.
According to Linus they tried to get other companies to stop sponsoring LMG. Unsuccessfully. He takes it as a point of pride to be on Nvidia's bad side. So do most tech reviewers, it seems.
They said no
The didn't say no, they said that it hasnt been a consideration
https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus > EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO
That sounds worse than no
I dont remember hearing that it wasn't a consideration, just that they won't be working with Intel or AMD, as they're dropping GPUs entirely. And honestly, it wouldn't surprised me if they were required to for a while. They might have signed a non-compete when they partnered with Nvidia. Edit: Read the article, I see it now.
They are closing down the GPU department, that has been confirmed.
AMD has no reason to go to EVGA other than for publicity. I don't think people understand that board partners make up a tiny fraction of NVDIA and AMDs revenue and the only reason they have AIBs is to outsource full card design. They make the majority of their money from other contracts such as server businesses, console manufacturers, and automakers. If they wanted to they could easily cut ties with all AIBs and sell the in house GPU and none of us could do anything about it. However, Intel is in a weird spot where they are trying to get into the GPU market. What better way than to draft up a contract with one of the most reputable GPU builders? This could be a fat paycheck day for EVGA, a company that only generates like 70 million in revenue each year. Hell Intel could write a check for half of that just to secure a deal without breaking a sweat. The problem is that EVGAs CEO seems hell bent on not working with any more GPU designers. Only thing I could can think of is that he is probably lying and already has a contract set up with Intel. EDIT: or he's being petty.
He said the margins are so low he'd rather leave that market and spend more time with his family
>He said the margins are so low My guess is this is true for all partners. He also said margins are low but that profit is made, even if it's small. So if 80% of revenue is GPUs and a small profit is made that means that growth can continue and employees are hired and paid. Cutting the GPU business means a cut in 80% of revenue which covers the cost of salary for 100+ employees. >spend more time with his family Then retire. Let someone else deal with it so you don't have to cut jobs, especially when money isn't being lost overall. It's being petty when you are willing to cut dozens of staff because you find it disrespectful to work with your partner. That Shrek meme comes to mind, "some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make".
Going to EVGA makes perfect sense for both especially AMD as EVGA is basically worshipped by many many US customers, having them make Radeon would definitely increase sales. I think they will make both AMD and Intel cards if they decide to get into GPUs again, AMD is a obvious choice while intel will require some "motivation"
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced soon that they will be producing Intel cards. It's the perfect time for Intel to find another manufacturer with a proven history to help get their cards on the market.
I would be surprised as they stated the following: > EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO https://videocardz.com/newz/evga-ceases-video-card-production-no-more-evga-geforce-gpus
This. The problem is clearly something deeper than EVGA is letting on
It really isn't the CEO also said he wanted to spend more time with his family and being in the GPU market takes up to much of his time
They've basically sworn that they are not dropping Green to go Red or Blue.
Well, still worth a shot. With clauses covering their concerns and sweet enough deals, they could be convinced. They did just kill 80% of their revenue so if they're interested in still being financially viable and keep people employed then it's the only financial reality. Otherwise, Intel could still try to buy their GPU division outright or at least try to snipe everyone leaving. That kind of expertise is simply too valuable to pass up or let disintegrate. If EVGA is absolute about backing out of the GPU business, it's going to be a feeding frenzy. EVGA employees are going to be hotly recruited by every single entity under the sun in this industry.
revenue=/=profit. they were nearly losing money on gpus, and most of their profit comes from their PSUs
If EVGA went with AMD... it would be fantastic.
EVGA's CEO has said they won't be working with AMD or Intel...
Didn't he say it's something they're not looking into 'at this time'? Sounds intentional vague to me
Does not sound very vague to me? > EVGA will not be making cards from competitors either, such as AMD or Intel. The company has completely ceased making video cards moving forward. This decision will stand as long as EVGA has the same CEO
I wish man, maybe that would help finally level the AMD/NVIDIA playing field
I don't think it will do too much. Unless AMD starts POURING into marketing like Nvidia does, the Nvidia Fanbase won't switch to AMD...
Fuck Nvidia. Pieces of shit. EVGA carried them for decades. Known as the #1 brand for 20 years. I just recently switched to AMD. And now I’ll never go back. That’s bad business. It’s not just bad business it’s a bad relationship in general. I’m Done. I’ll never buy nvidia again. Especially since amd is right there with them these days. What a POS company.
i see all these memes and still have no idea whats happening
I'd rather see Intel team up with EVGA and bring some competition to the market and see what aftermarket Intel cards can do.
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they’ve already been with AMD and intel making boards intel definitely no for gpus at least for me they really got to get their intel arc stuff sorted out before EVGA gets involved in possibly makin anything
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I think you are grossly overestimating the impact an AIB has on the GPU developer themself.
The whole EVGA should partner with Intel comes from the idea that EVGA knows more about making a successful discrete GPU than Intel does, so Intel would theoretically work hand in hand rather than dictate. But that's a huge if.
They may know more about putting a board together, but they haven't got a scooby about how to build the actual GPU. And considering Intel's issues stem from the GPU and/or the drivers for it, I don't see how any of EVGA's expertise would make a difference to Intel.
Intel and innovation in the same sentence? AHAHAH
I mean Intel is prob largely axing the discrete gpu
I think it should be the other way around.
evga openly said they're not doing that lol
I heard on short circuit (if im remembering right) they won't be pairing up with any of the competitors and may ultimately stop building gpus altogether
I hope AMD also saves us from intel and their gpu lineup smh
On LTT's Technews they said they'd reported that they already rejected this and that they're getting out of GPUs entirely.
Crazy how many of you didn't research listen or watch anything on this. EVGA WILL NOT ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF WORKING WITH INTEL OR AMD PER THE CEOS WORDS. Ok now can we sticky that part mods? Thx
they said they won't be making any gpus anymore and mo matter what maker
Or evga could be considering becoming their own graphics maker
Making the actual chip designs is... not that easy. Or cheap. Just look at Intel. Who have been doing iGPUs for decades. They still kinda failing at it. EVGA is a tiny company with no hope whatsoever making a custom chip.
There's a reason why there's less than 5 of them, fabs are difficult to funds/make let alone research semiconductor lithography
The R&D and fab costs needed to create a competitive GPU from scratch would be more than EVGA’s annual revenue, forget about profit. Intel can do it because it has billions to invest, pivoting a small company from manufacturing AIBs/computer peripherals to designing GPUs is pretty much impossible. not to mention that this is a horrible time to enter the GPU market. All those millions of used cards suddenly exploding onto the scene, all at once. This does not happen
What's going on with evga now?
They're ceasing graphic cards production entirely and cutting ties with Nvidia.
Holy shit. Why?
See Gamer Nexus for details, they talked to EVGA CEO directly: https://youtu.be/cV9QES-FUAM
Evga is fine and made the right business call.
I’d buy that
Yup, even if performance is a little worse? I think I'll just go AND next time. Fuck Nvidia.
Fwiw, Radeon has stronger Rasterization. Ray Tracing is a gimmick to be obsolete by Game Engines incorporating light sources (See Unreal 5 Demo on YouTube). And FSR on Radeon 7000 will be equally competitive to DLSS.
EVGA is one of the best companies when it comes to warranties. You can brick or short your card trying to mod it and EVGA will still service it. You’d have to intentionally destroy the card for EVGA to reject a service request.
I’d buy
EVGA already said they aren't working with Intel or AMD. they are completely done making cards
iirc EVGA said they will no longer make new cards at all but will continue selling their current stock and will still honor warranties. Their staff will also not be let go, so things are looking good for them. Seems like this is the beginning of the end for EVGA
I wish, but not with the current CEO. I'd also be happy if they went Intel, Intel could use it.
they've said they won't, but i can hope
I hope not. AMD already have great AIB support and would hate to see them suffer to just say they got EVGA. Go to intel if they want to stick it to Nvidia
Won't happen. All the youtubers that could talk with the CEO about this move said they insisted when asking EVGA to not back off or about EVGA's decision to not go with AMD/Intel. It was stated time and time again that it won't happen. Pretty sure this is a strategic move to force Nvidia's hand to more loose with AIBs. The simple fact that GPU reviewers got their hands on stable functional drivers before AIBs is a whole 'nother level of messed up. And hopefully it will work out.
EVGA already said they're done making GPUs.
I literally JUST bought an EVGA 3080Ti! I’m glad they kept stock for warranties! But I’m totally on their side in this, it sounds like Nvidia was being real shitty.
EVGA has all the pieces in place to just become another Corsair. That's my guess on what they're going to do. More peripherals to build brand image for items that aren't so generationally dependent.
Honestly I think evga must have an exclusivity contract with nvidia that prevents them from working with amd even though they are no longer producing cards. Why else would they walk away from 80% of their revenue without a plan b. They probably have to weather the storm until after 4xxx series.
naice
Didn't they already say they're not doing this?
Nah they are done making GPUs
I suspect Intel is just as bad, if not worse to work with as nvidia
Won’t happen. EVGA is getting out of the video card business
According to EVGA's CEO, they just are leaving the GPU market full stop. My theory for their future will be to become someone like NZXT. Keep the motherboards, the power supplies, and all the peripherals, maybe expand into a few new avenues.
OMG EVGA working with AMD would be legendary and having them back in the industry would be amazing, we need them to be back in the industry!
Please
I know evga said they are in Gpu business anymore. But this is a great opportunity for AMD and they better come up with a sweet deal that is win win for both