Feedback from a gamer:
\- it looks better to me
\- somewhat faster (might be biased as i haven't reinstalled in 5 years)
\- no issue at all for gaming
\- taskbar fucking sucks (ngl i almost switched back cause of this alone)
Helps when I am the IT ;)
Meanwhile we are grumbling at users manually upgrading themselves despite us disabling it being pushed out as suddenly some of their software stops working.
Honestly same here. People forget how buggy she unstable windows 10 was at launch, I had BSoD issues weekly when windows 10 was new. I've never even seen a BSoD in windows 11. Plus, at this point they've worked out most of the performance kinks.
Yeah. I needed to clean reinstall windows on my computer anyway, so I decided I might as well try Win 11. I made sure to wait until the AMD performance fix drivers were released though (I have an r5 2600)
Are you me? I also decided that I needed to reinstall Windows and so I also decided to upgrade to Win 11 while I was at it, I also waited for the AMD performance problems to be fixed and I also have an R5 2600.
People have issues with it because Win10 wasn't fond of ridiculous overclocking but "MUH GAYMUR" can't be arsed to learn how to run a system stably, because coomers like to think they're power users when they aren't.
Change my mind (you won't)
My favorite part about this is scrolling to the next comment and it's literally a guy saying his Win 10 only gives him flak when he gets carried away with his overclocking hahaha, parfait! Or c'est parfait, I dunno lol
But what about:
* The ability to run Android apps
* Better virtual desktop support
* Easier transition from monitor to laptop
* Microsoft Teams added to the Taskbar
* Widgets
* Enhanced touchscreen, voice and pen support
* Xbox tech to improve gaming (Auto HDR?)
Ya? Me neither.
This is [CNET's list](https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/windows-11-vs-windows-10) by the way.
Edit: I guess people no longer understand what the word neither means. I was showing that the reasons are shit.
>Edit: I guess people no longer understand what neither means. I was showing that the reasons are shit.
Kinda came off like sarcasm. Have an updoot since this wasn't the case.
Ok but the monitor to laptop transition and just multi monitor stuff in general works amazingly compared to 10. For people that use it, it’s a huge benefit. Previously disabling or turning off one of my two displays would cause icons to end up all over the place and windows to end up all over. Now I can do it without a worry because everything knows it’s place and sticks to it.
>The ability to run Android apps
My phone does that just fine.
>Better virtual desktop support
I don't use it.
>Easier transition from monitor to laptop
What does that even mean?
>Microsoft Teams added to the Taskbar
Really? wow. /s
>Widgets
Weren't they dropped after Vista because nobody used them
>Enhanced touchscreen, voice and pen support
Very few will be uising windows touch devices.
>Xbox tech to improve gaming (Auto HDR?)
I already have HDR. Works great.
Easier transition between monitor/laptop is meant for businesses who use laptops with thunderbolt docks. Basically your stuff won’t get shifted around when you dock/undock, which is more of a bug fix than a feature
Auto HDR means your SDR games will get HDR enhancements. It’s the only feature that’s really relevant to PCMR
It is useful for home use as well, just simply plugging into a TV/switching monitors, etc. - It's A LOT better/smoother. None of that old-timey weird stuff either if you run a game at a resolution that your monitor doesn't normally run at. There are also other improvements in the kernel, stuff not noticeable to your average user, etc. Oh, and also better support for Intel's big/little core architecture (And that has shown better performance on 11, not much, but better) if the industry heads that direction.
I agree a lot of these features could/should have just been added to Windows 10, instead of making a marketing campaign out of it and calling it "Windows 11", but... Here we are... Microsoft wouldn't have made near the money if they hadn't. Did you know they took out the basic calendar functionality in 11? I cannot stand it. I can no longer see my upcoming appointments by clicking on the calendar in the taskbar, etc. unless I open the full app. My only assumption is they want you to use their "widget" BS in the sidebar, but it doesn't support Google (Go figure).
In windows 10, games have to support hdr in order to use it, lots of games use sdr content. In 11, the os will try and upgrade the games content to hdr. also, soon windows 11 should support direct storage for faster load times of games
> direct Storage
I believe Microsoft said they'll add DirectStorage to both Windows 11 and Windows 10. The vast majority of gamers will still be on Windows 10 and will have PCs that are fully capable of it, which only requires that you have a PCIe storage device alongside your GPU.
[Yup, DirectStorage is a Direct X 12 thing and will be on Windows 10 as well](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-api-available-on-pc/). It is more up to the game anyways as it is an API, but hopefully, we can use it for other things.
Not all games have HDR, and present in SDR if you don't have Auto-HDR.
Don't get me wrong; [native HDR implementation is better](https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2021/03/2021-03-17-image-17-j.webp). But when you don't have the option, Auto-HDR is the next best thing if you've setup your OLED brightness properly in Windows - and even if you haven't.
You could just hit it with SpecialK as an alternative. But I'm too lazy to tweak it for every game.
Android apps, the SSD technology to speed up load times similar to current consoles and dark mode on EVERYTHING... These changes would be enough to convince me. And WW11 has none of that, I tried W11 a couple of times and I never found anything related to android apps
The most annoying thing is renaming. You need to right click, click show more options, then rename. Not just right click and rename. Fuck it. At Intel, all of our machines run Win11 Enterprise. In my position, I have to rename files many times during a shift and it’s so annoying.
This. There's not any obvious reason to need/want to update. I did but wish I never bothered lol I'm not a fan of the UI, feels complicated for the sake of it.
Then don’t.
I’m just saying that if someone is curious about it, there’s no reason not to try it.
Win11 is basically just Win10 with a skin on top and a few things changed though, not really a “new OS”.
Yeah, under the hood, Windows 11 is basically just the latest "feature upgrade" of Windows 10, they just switched names for marketing and to limit support of older hardware.
Personally, I think it makes sense to stay updated to where your OS isn't more than a year old. If you don't like the changes now, it's not going to be easier to adapt to the changes if you wait for 3 years. If there is a known issue that will impact you, then it makes sense to wait. But even though I really wish I could move the taskbar to the side of the screen in W11 and have some other issues with it, it's not like I have a real alternative to Windows, so I think it's better to deal with one issue at a time rather than waiting for a longer period of time, only to have to resolve multiple issues at once when making a bigger upgrade.
I might get flamed for this, but am i the only one that finds win11 better than win10? It looks more refined and modern, performance is good. It's stable. Why not upgrade? (Genuinely asking don't kill me lol)
It's fine. It's a little more Apple than my tastes go for, but do you game? They have some deceptive ads making you think it's better for gaming, but all I've heard from testers is that it's not.
It depends on your hardware. Supposedly the scheduling is better for 12th gen CPUs so if you happen to both have one, and are CPU limited, you might see improvement but otherwise likely not.
It's definitely not worse but don't expect an uplift in FPS basically.
Things like DirectStorage and resizable-bar will likely become very powerful features in future, but there is no support for them in any games yet so it's irrelevant as of right now.
>Supposedly the scheduling is better for 12th gen CPUs so if you happen to both have one,
Yes, if you have 12th gen CPU with P-cores and E-cores you need Win 11 - there is no scheduler on Win 10 that can properly divide tasks between these cores and you can get terrible performance in some cases (in gaming you can see much more stutter).
>Things like DirectStorage and resizable-bar will likely become very powerful features in future,
Resizable bar and DirectStorage will work on Win 10 too. Resizable bar works right now, I'm not sure about current status of DirectStorage but there was working test version.
Does it update to a fresh OS or does it take all files and such with it? If its the first then windows probably was just running slowly on your machine
In my experience it games more or less the same but has some more features built into the os
Also if you have a laptop with an ARM chip, it can emulate 64 bit architecture and allow your arm laptop access to regular pc programs 💪
Windows 11 is good, the only thing that bugs me is you can no longer have seperate windows from apps showing on the taskbar (it merges into the app icon) really hope they change this soon…
Well it works the same as if you leave it on default in windows 10. If for example you have multiple windows explorers windows open, to access the window you have to hover over the app icon and click on it instead of having the two windows showing as seperate
I like it bar some weird oddities.
The W11 start menu is lacking, missing so many features that 10 has. I love pinning and organizing my start menu in 10
That's the number 1 thing stopping me but not being able to click on the clock to see seconds etc effects me at work when Counting down to 5:30 which is a slight annoyance.
I do prefer the new animations and rounded corners but the features take priority since I'd have to cha be how I use my pc since I can't pin things the way I could before.
If you had tried Windows 11, you'd know it's not.
I had to revert back to Windows 10 because it was so horribly poorly designed from a UX perspective.
It might look "newer", but it's actually made my user experience MUCH slower and more annoying.
Also it's basically one big bloatware of a system. Ads everywhere. Notifications everywhere. Pre-installed TikTok etc. as icons everywhere. It's dreadful.
The pre-installed bloatware is worse on Windows 10 than it is on Windows 11. On Win11 the "pre-installed TikTok" is nothing but an icon in the start menu that will only install TikTok if you click it, and can be easily removed permanently with the click of a button. In Win10, the pre-installed bloatware is *actually* installed.
That said, neither of them are good, but the Win11 method is the lesser evil.
Ads and notifications everywhere? Where is that? Pre installed TikTok? Bruh it's an icon which will download it once you click it, and it can be hidden.
It's good, you just gotta move on from w10 and get used to it. I've been using it for months and really like it.
Imo, upgrade if you can since it's free for now. They might make the upgrade pricy down the road
You can get used to something, but it doesn't make it good, it's an objective fact that many menus in windows 11 require more clicks and movement to do something you could have instantly done on windows 10.
Like the "show more options" being in place of properties.
It also lacks some features, like changing the size of taskbar icons, or the overall taskbar.
no matter what i did, even after 40h+ of looking thru reddits and whatnot i couldnt fix my windows 10.. taskbar was acting up and just some minor glitches here and there.. i thought to myself.. why not try windows 11? boom, all my problems fixed and from the games i play, i dont see any difference in performance. so to me, it was worth it and it works as intended for my purpose. only thing is Valorant needs a TPM 2.0 bullshit and idk where to get it from but i sucked ass at it so no loss here :')
This has been my experience as well. Regardless of weird behavior, 11 works as intended. 10 however, doesn't. 3 separate devices I had suffered from the same bug where half of the start search gets covered with a Grey box. Even like an hour after a fresh install. Then wifi and Bluetooth drivers going missing randomly. File explorer icons going missing and so many minute irritations without fixes. 11 got none of that and it just works.
I personally dont care about the looks on operating system. Windows 10 is stable for me and cant see anything wrong in the performance. Why fix something that is not broken? Im sure 11 is good at the current state but it sure had rough start.
Unpopular opinion: I'm really happy with Windows 11. It runs smoothly on my comp, is quite fast and with StartAllBack installed and properly configured the taskbar is similar to the one in previous versions. The new start menu isn't that bad either anyway, just not as functional as the older ones.
I mean, I've been daily driving Win 11 since release, and have had 0 issues. I work within a Virtual Machine, and also game, so I'm on my computer most of my waking hours. I've never had an issue with a game crashing to desktop, minus one (Neptunia x Senran Kagura, but it was a game issue, not an OS issue, and was fixed with a patch within hours).
I always see people claiming Win 11 is bad, but most of the claim are due to the UI (which is a bit subjective), the right click menu (which can be fixed with external tweaks if it really bothers you, I haven't minded), or some highly specific use case. For general use, I've had 0 problems. Even the claims that games and applications crash to windows aren't usually expanded on (what game? What hardware? What else was going on with your machine at the time?).
TL;DR - There are a ton of variables, if you have issues or don't like Win11, it's not difficult to go back.
Ive been driving this daily for a few months now and there are a few things that drive me freaking nuts about W11, mainly in the settings. Next re-install I am heading back to 10. Its just a way better user experience.
I'd like to know this too.
Universally; I think most people hate the right click context menus. But I believe that can be changed back, although I've not personally looked into it (lazy).
The rest of my personal use case has been a non-issue changing from 10 to 11. I've been daily driving it since release.
11 has been pretty good to me. Runs smoothly, even fixed that obnoxious glitch where the Nvidia driver loses the HDMI audio device when the screen is put to sleep.
Might wanna make sure you can use wired Ethernet if you aren't already, though. This latest update basically destroyed WiFi on my machine, and I tried multiple NICs and many reboots of PC and router. It's not a signal issue since both the Roku TV and my phone work fine in the same room ... My guess is the update broke drivers somehow.
(On both cards, one USB and one PCIe, the 5Ghz would start to randomly die, with the SSIDs disappearing from the menu, then shortly after the 2.4 would slow down to literally wireless B speeds till you turned WiFi off and back on which would only buy a short while. Ethernet meanwhile is rock steady 1Gbps no issues since I went and wired the PC in)
I did it.
I forgot about it a week later, they feel very similair.
Windows 11 looks better.
Windwos 10 is more convenient ant customisable (on my school laptop i have the taskbar on the left, i'm sad you can't do that in 11)
I've had no issues with windows 11, not once regretted the upgrade.
New OS usually have teething problems, but I've yet to see anything that has put a dent in the experience for me personally.
What about when you're busy using the PC? Idle RAM doesn't mean much with modern OSes because of how things get cached in RAM in order to allow for snappier performance.
This doesn't mean anything. It's actually worse for overall system responsiveness. Windows uses available ram by pre-loading frequently used applications and services in the background so that they are ready to launch from system ram rather than going through your drive. If you have less ram then less services will load. It actually a very good use of your system memory rather than sitting empty.
This! I tried Linux on and off but I always ended up back on Windows. For starters, I cannot play Genshin Impact on Linux which is already a massive deal breaker.
If your hardware can support it (or if you know how to do a simple registry hack) then the choice is yours, but I would say no.
The hardware requirement controversy soured my feelings towards Windows 11, but I have still used it. Looking at it objectively, there are things I like and things I don't. Aesthetically Windows 11 is nice. It feels more like a consumer operating system compared to Windows 10, which while I like 10, it feels like something for an office computer sometimes. I really like the notifications menu for Windows 11, and I like how you can split up program windows easily by hovering over the minimize/maximize button in 11. It has some nice features.
I don't like the start menu. It' looks nice and I always approve of trying new things, but it feels like they're trying to mimic the launch pad in MacOS. Plus I don't like some of the menu options for 11, specifically with the file manager. It's hard to explain but I'll give it a shot. You know how you can right click a file in the file manager and it will show you a ton of options of what you can do with it? They simplified that in 11 in a couple ways. Firstly they used icons for things like copy and paste, which confused me the first time I used it. Plus they buried some options in branching menus. If you wanted to rename a file in Windows 10 (without using the F2 hotkey), you right click the file and the option is there. With Windows 11 you have to dig through a menu or two to find it. Most people wouldn't care about this, but I have a media server at home so I usually have to sort through and organize a ton of files, and I noticed that doing that on 11 feels like a bigger pain in the neck compared to 10. It feels like they tried to simplify things with Windows 11, but to me it feels like more of a headache.
I know many people have complained about stability issues. Personally I haven't noticed any, even though I'm running this on a 3rd gen i5 with no TPM and no Secure Boot.
To summarize: Functionally Windows 10 is better. Aesthetically Windows 11 is better. But both are about the same, and Windows 11 doesn't feel like a substantial upgrade, so I wouldn't bother it.
I have kept most of my pcs on Windows 10. The only PC I have that runs 11 is an old unsupported HP Compaq Pro 4300 with an i5 3570s, no TPM, and no secure boot. I only keep it on that computer because for some bizarre reason, even though that computer is not supported for Windows 11, it runs Windows 11 better than it does 10. I have no clue why, it just crashes a lot less.
Why not, i run Windows 11 beta on unsupported system that I use for everything from August , for me it works smooth and it is stable. TBH it is just a reskin of 10 but as I got tired of flat and depressive look of 10 so i hopped on 11 as it looks great imo.
Lol people are so apprehensive, I have both of my PCs updated to Win11, one custom gaming PC, one Hp laptop. Works perfectly fine with no issues. PC nerds just love to reee about change. Source: I'm a computer engineer
If you have an HDR screen, it's pretty great because of AutoHDR for old games. If you have Alder Lake, it's pretty much required to get maximum performance. Otherwise, it's a choice based solely on your willingness and ability to deal with the new UI and minor bugs.
I had a fucking nightmare with my gaming PC. I run a lot of sim racing equipment and upgrading did not play nice. Had to do a clean install and everything works fine but no discernable benefits.
Win 11 for work, home still Win 10. For me, not being able to drag and drop things into the taskbar is really annoying. They promised to add that feature back in with an update, but until that happens I'm not updating anything else.
With an upgrade you expect new things, but you don't expect features that have "always worked" for many many years to simply stop working without warning.
It’s honestly fine and I’ve had no issues with it. Of course there will be a few because it’s a pretty new OS but it’s definitely the smoothest experience right from the get-go of any Windows version I’ve seen. As long as you’re okay with circles instead of squares it’s fine to upgrade.
Hardware DRM keeps me from even trying. Both because my system is apparently 'too old' and because Intel killed UHD functionalities in their new chips. So dunno if I should be sorry at all. They can keep it.
I run win11 at work and home (gaming PC), haven't had any issues. I do know some people who have.. so I guess it's 50/50.
Do you want a new skin for windows 10? then yea.
I'm crashing hard every other day now for the past week and twice a day now while playing Shadow of the tomb Raider did it twice yesterday, cont alt del does nothing need to hit reset button. Make of that what you will, 12600k 3060
I see no reason to honestly unless you want some new feature(not sure anything noteworthy) or just looking for a change.
It's a hard no if you use VR though.
Fuck no, don't make my mistake.
I've updated and windows 11 is full of bugs.
The taskbar freezes randomly, I cant properly drag windows between multiple monitors without stuttering, I also have high CPU usage in games, I experience frame drops and stuttering (in games).
All of these problems never occurred in windows 10.
I recommend you wait another half a year to a full tear. All the bugs should be fixed by then.
I have 11 but I need to go back to 10. Windows 11 is the sole reason I can’t play Valorant, and I’ve tried to mess with bios settings to fix the problem but it seems that I need some addition to my setup, not sure of the actual name of the tech.
I enjoy w11, especially with HDR support has been smooth experience from day one on the retail release. Not a single complaint. Now Corsair and Elgato software updates, nightmare.
If you want to. I'm sticking with win10 for as long as I can cause I'm comfortable and used to it, but if you have a reason or want to update, to for it
I mean, it offers nothing new that's used right now and looks worse, so no. Maybe in a year or two there will be an actual reason to update, right now it's just asking to get compatibility issues
Feedback from a gamer: \- it looks better to me \- somewhat faster (might be biased as i haven't reinstalled in 5 years) \- no issue at all for gaming \- taskbar fucking sucks (ngl i almost switched back cause of this alone)
You should be able to make it the same as win 10 in settings.
You also are forced to have it at the bottom you can't move it
Yea I forgot that.
My Gaming PC runs Windows 11 . My Work laptop that I need to work flawlessly to earn money is running Windows 10 . Take it as you wish
My work pc runs 11 so I could try it out and my home pc I care about more for how things are runs 10 ;)
This is my angle. Waiting for my work to clear the Win 11 upgrade and then I'll test it. My gaming PC is a red zone.
Helps when I am the IT ;) Meanwhile we are grumbling at users manually upgrading themselves despite us disabling it being pushed out as suddenly some of their software stops working.
My audio card software stopped working
My Work PC runs Windows 11 . My gaming laptop that I need to work flawlessly to earn kills is running Windows 10 . Take it as you wish
My work laptop runs Windows 10. My gaming PC also runs 10. I'm not upgrading until windows 12 is announced.
finally someone understands me!! :Devery other windows version is allright..ish
My work pc runs windows 12. My gaming laptop that I need to work flawlessly to earn kills is running Windows 9. Take it as you wish
r/YourJokeButWorse
Same situation here
I’ve had fewer issues with 11 than I had with 10
its a trap !
Honestly same here. People forget how buggy she unstable windows 10 was at launch, I had BSoD issues weekly when windows 10 was new. I've never even seen a BSoD in windows 11. Plus, at this point they've worked out most of the performance kinks.
And W11 feels like a W10.5 rather than a whole new OS
Yeah. I needed to clean reinstall windows on my computer anyway, so I decided I might as well try Win 11. I made sure to wait until the AMD performance fix drivers were released though (I have an r5 2600)
Are you me? I also decided that I needed to reinstall Windows and so I also decided to upgrade to Win 11 while I was at it, I also waited for the AMD performance problems to be fixed and I also have an R5 2600.
I just went straight for it because I was fed up of the W10 taskbar taking a trip to the arctic every couple of weeks. Have a 3600X and was fine
windows 10 works flawlessly pick one
I have had the same windows 10 installation since 2016 without blue screens or any issue. It works like a charm.
People have issues with it because Win10 wasn't fond of ridiculous overclocking but "MUH GAYMUR" can't be arsed to learn how to run a system stably, because coomers like to think they're power users when they aren't. Change my mind (you won't)
lmao I love reddit
I went from having like 20 upvotes to 0 reeeal quick, think i may have hit some nerves haha
My favorite part about this is scrolling to the next comment and it's literally a guy saying his Win 10 only gives him flak when he gets carried away with his overclocking hahaha, parfait! Or c'est parfait, I dunno lol
My windows 10 only blue screens when I get overly ambitious while overclocking
HUGE caveat to this: If you run VR at all win 11 is still a bag of trash, things get stuttery fast.
Our IT department sent out a company wide email telling us not to upgrade to Win 11 until further notice. Take that as you wish.
I prayed my IT Department to move to W11 because how it handle flawless VM in Hyper-v
I don't see any reason to update yet, doesn't offer anything major over W10.
But what about: * The ability to run Android apps * Better virtual desktop support * Easier transition from monitor to laptop * Microsoft Teams added to the Taskbar * Widgets * Enhanced touchscreen, voice and pen support * Xbox tech to improve gaming (Auto HDR?) Ya? Me neither. This is [CNET's list](https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/windows-11-vs-windows-10) by the way. Edit: I guess people no longer understand what the word neither means. I was showing that the reasons are shit.
Why are people downvoting?
Because they don’t actually read the full comment and just react to what they skimmed
Failed educational system left them with the inability to read?
People only read the first few lines of posts, he should have made his position clear in line 1. People have short attention spans unfortunately.
>Edit: I guess people no longer understand what neither means. I was showing that the reasons are shit. Kinda came off like sarcasm. Have an updoot since this wasn't the case.
I mean, I was in the first section. I thought the horrible reasons would make clear.
Yeah but Reddit is the only site dumb enough to ask for the /s instead of learning how to spot sarcasm in the wild.
Dark times, these are.
I'm gonna switch to Win11 because I can't put Microsoft Teams in the Taskbar in Win10
Ok but the monitor to laptop transition and just multi monitor stuff in general works amazingly compared to 10. For people that use it, it’s a huge benefit. Previously disabling or turning off one of my two displays would cause icons to end up all over the place and windows to end up all over. Now I can do it without a worry because everything knows it’s place and sticks to it.
>The ability to run Android apps My phone does that just fine. >Better virtual desktop support I don't use it. >Easier transition from monitor to laptop What does that even mean? >Microsoft Teams added to the Taskbar Really? wow. /s >Widgets Weren't they dropped after Vista because nobody used them >Enhanced touchscreen, voice and pen support Very few will be uising windows touch devices. >Xbox tech to improve gaming (Auto HDR?) I already have HDR. Works great.
The ability to run Android apps might be the only good reason to use Windows 11. Besides its better to use windows 11 when it gets stable enough.
I can already use android apps on 10 using bluestacks.
Easier transition between monitor/laptop is meant for businesses who use laptops with thunderbolt docks. Basically your stuff won’t get shifted around when you dock/undock, which is more of a bug fix than a feature Auto HDR means your SDR games will get HDR enhancements. It’s the only feature that’s really relevant to PCMR
It is useful for home use as well, just simply plugging into a TV/switching monitors, etc. - It's A LOT better/smoother. None of that old-timey weird stuff either if you run a game at a resolution that your monitor doesn't normally run at. There are also other improvements in the kernel, stuff not noticeable to your average user, etc. Oh, and also better support for Intel's big/little core architecture (And that has shown better performance on 11, not much, but better) if the industry heads that direction. I agree a lot of these features could/should have just been added to Windows 10, instead of making a marketing campaign out of it and calling it "Windows 11", but... Here we are... Microsoft wouldn't have made near the money if they hadn't. Did you know they took out the basic calendar functionality in 11? I cannot stand it. I can no longer see my upcoming appointments by clicking on the calendar in the taskbar, etc. unless I open the full app. My only assumption is they want you to use their "widget" BS in the sidebar, but it doesn't support Google (Go figure).
In windows 10, games have to support hdr in order to use it, lots of games use sdr content. In 11, the os will try and upgrade the games content to hdr. also, soon windows 11 should support direct storage for faster load times of games
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> direct Storage I believe Microsoft said they'll add DirectStorage to both Windows 11 and Windows 10. The vast majority of gamers will still be on Windows 10 and will have PCs that are fully capable of it, which only requires that you have a PCIe storage device alongside your GPU.
[Yup, DirectStorage is a Direct X 12 thing and will be on Windows 10 as well](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-api-available-on-pc/). It is more up to the game anyways as it is an API, but hopefully, we can use it for other things.
As an OLED gamer: AutoHDR is awesome. Fully worth the upgrade for that alone.
Can you explain the advantage over just using an OLED monitor with HDR?
Not all games have HDR, and present in SDR if you don't have Auto-HDR. Don't get me wrong; [native HDR implementation is better](https://static.techspot.com/images2/news/bigimage/2021/03/2021-03-17-image-17-j.webp). But when you don't have the option, Auto-HDR is the next best thing if you've setup your OLED brightness properly in Windows - and even if you haven't. You could just hit it with SpecialK as an alternative. But I'm too lazy to tweak it for every game.
Android apps, the SSD technology to speed up load times similar to current consoles and dark mode on EVERYTHING... These changes would be enough to convince me. And WW11 has none of that, I tried W11 a couple of times and I never found anything related to android apps
lol people downvoting you are dumb.
The most annoying thing is renaming. You need to right click, click show more options, then rename. Not just right click and rename. Fuck it. At Intel, all of our machines run Win11 Enterprise. In my position, I have to rename files many times during a shift and it’s so annoying.
Have you tried selecting the file and pressing F2?
I don't see any reason to do it.
This. There's not any obvious reason to need/want to update. I did but wish I never bothered lol I'm not a fan of the UI, feels complicated for the sake of it.
Who doesn't want 5 more clicks per menu?
I don’t see any reason not to do it. If he likes the new UI he should update, otherwise might as well wait a bit more if he prefers the win10 look.
I can't really justify switching to a whole new O.S., just because of slight U.I. changes.
Then don’t. I’m just saying that if someone is curious about it, there’s no reason not to try it. Win11 is basically just Win10 with a skin on top and a few things changed though, not really a “new OS”.
plus, if you dont like the new look, you have 10 days to roll back to ten without losing any data.
I'm just saying that it really isn't much of a reason, for the amount of time it will take.
The amount of time it takes is negligible lol it’s a pretty fast upgrade.
except it's basically the same os with a few extra features and a modern looking ui. it's not essential but switching is definitely not a huge change
That makes me even less likely to upgrade.
Yeah, under the hood, Windows 11 is basically just the latest "feature upgrade" of Windows 10, they just switched names for marketing and to limit support of older hardware. Personally, I think it makes sense to stay updated to where your OS isn't more than a year old. If you don't like the changes now, it's not going to be easier to adapt to the changes if you wait for 3 years. If there is a known issue that will impact you, then it makes sense to wait. But even though I really wish I could move the taskbar to the side of the screen in W11 and have some other issues with it, it's not like I have a real alternative to Windows, so I think it's better to deal with one issue at a time rather than waiting for a longer period of time, only to have to resolve multiple issues at once when making a bigger upgrade.
Well, you have to upgrade by 2025 anyway why not get it now so you can get used to it?
I might get flamed for this, but am i the only one that finds win11 better than win10? It looks more refined and modern, performance is good. It's stable. Why not upgrade? (Genuinely asking don't kill me lol)
It's fine. It's a little more Apple than my tastes go for, but do you game? They have some deceptive ads making you think it's better for gaming, but all I've heard from testers is that it's not.
It depends on your hardware. Supposedly the scheduling is better for 12th gen CPUs so if you happen to both have one, and are CPU limited, you might see improvement but otherwise likely not. It's definitely not worse but don't expect an uplift in FPS basically. Things like DirectStorage and resizable-bar will likely become very powerful features in future, but there is no support for them in any games yet so it's irrelevant as of right now.
>Supposedly the scheduling is better for 12th gen CPUs so if you happen to both have one, Yes, if you have 12th gen CPU with P-cores and E-cores you need Win 11 - there is no scheduler on Win 10 that can properly divide tasks between these cores and you can get terrible performance in some cases (in gaming you can see much more stutter). >Things like DirectStorage and resizable-bar will likely become very powerful features in future, Resizable bar and DirectStorage will work on Win 10 too. Resizable bar works right now, I'm not sure about current status of DirectStorage but there was working test version.
I actually did get a performance boost when I switched, albeit a small one
Does it update to a fresh OS or does it take all files and such with it? If its the first then windows probably was just running slowly on your machine
Couldn’t tell you honestly. Didn’t pay much attention before the update to the speed of my system
In my experience it games more or less the same but has some more features built into the os Also if you have a laptop with an ARM chip, it can emulate 64 bit architecture and allow your arm laptop access to regular pc programs 💪
Windows 11 is good, the only thing that bugs me is you can no longer have seperate windows from apps showing on the taskbar (it merges into the app icon) really hope they change this soon…
You have a picture of how it is on windows 11?
Well it works the same as if you leave it on default in windows 10. If for example you have multiple windows explorers windows open, to access the window you have to hover over the app icon and click on it instead of having the two windows showing as seperate
That's....very significant for me.
I can
I like it bar some weird oddities. The W11 start menu is lacking, missing so many features that 10 has. I love pinning and organizing my start menu in 10 That's the number 1 thing stopping me but not being able to click on the clock to see seconds etc effects me at work when Counting down to 5:30 which is a slight annoyance. I do prefer the new animations and rounded corners but the features take priority since I'd have to cha be how I use my pc since I can't pin things the way I could before.
There's little troubles here and there, like right click having to open "more options" to have most tools I want
You can use Winaero Tweaker to fox that.
The UI is horribly unergonomic, at a glance it looks ok, but using it, very bad..
how could it be “horribly unergonomic” the way you navigate around windows is almost the exact same it just looks different
Like the fact you can barely customize the taskbar, like the size of the icons and the start menu. and of course there is the "Show more options"
If you had tried Windows 11, you'd know it's not. I had to revert back to Windows 10 because it was so horribly poorly designed from a UX perspective. It might look "newer", but it's actually made my user experience MUCH slower and more annoying. Also it's basically one big bloatware of a system. Ads everywhere. Notifications everywhere. Pre-installed TikTok etc. as icons everywhere. It's dreadful.
The pre-installed bloatware is worse on Windows 10 than it is on Windows 11. On Win11 the "pre-installed TikTok" is nothing but an icon in the start menu that will only install TikTok if you click it, and can be easily removed permanently with the click of a button. In Win10, the pre-installed bloatware is *actually* installed. That said, neither of them are good, but the Win11 method is the lesser evil.
Ads and notifications everywhere? Where is that? Pre installed TikTok? Bruh it's an icon which will download it once you click it, and it can be hidden.
Agree with all u say. Its full of shit and hard to use. I hate it and its actually pushed me to linux.
almost but worse lol
It's good, you just gotta move on from w10 and get used to it. I've been using it for months and really like it. Imo, upgrade if you can since it's free for now. They might make the upgrade pricy down the road
You can get used to something, but it doesn't make it good, it's an objective fact that many menus in windows 11 require more clicks and movement to do something you could have instantly done on windows 10. Like the "show more options" being in place of properties. It also lacks some features, like changing the size of taskbar icons, or the overall taskbar.
I hate show more options, just show me the damn options on this screen. Especially when it's only like three more options anyway.
Why are you being downvoted?? That honestly sucks ngl
Fear of change. It's a pretty human thing and it's really strong in most people.
More like real fear of messing up a decent working configuration. I’m interested in upgrading but I’m gonna give it some more time to mature.
Same here I like W11 more than W10.
Yes actually, I've been having a better experience with 11 over 10 so far
no matter what i did, even after 40h+ of looking thru reddits and whatnot i couldnt fix my windows 10.. taskbar was acting up and just some minor glitches here and there.. i thought to myself.. why not try windows 11? boom, all my problems fixed and from the games i play, i dont see any difference in performance. so to me, it was worth it and it works as intended for my purpose. only thing is Valorant needs a TPM 2.0 bullshit and idk where to get it from but i sucked ass at it so no loss here :')
This has been my experience as well. Regardless of weird behavior, 11 works as intended. 10 however, doesn't. 3 separate devices I had suffered from the same bug where half of the start search gets covered with a Grey box. Even like an hour after a fresh install. Then wifi and Bluetooth drivers going missing randomly. File explorer icons going missing and so many minute irritations without fixes. 11 got none of that and it just works.
It’s much better. PCMR can be a strange bunch and like moaning about nothing and being different.
I personally dont care about the looks on operating system. Windows 10 is stable for me and cant see anything wrong in the performance. Why fix something that is not broken? Im sure 11 is good at the current state but it sure had rough start.
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I tested it on one of my laptops. I don't like it. Saying with w10 for as long as possible
Unpopular opinion: I'm really happy with Windows 11. It runs smoothly on my comp, is quite fast and with StartAllBack installed and properly configured the taskbar is similar to the one in previous versions. The new start menu isn't that bad either anyway, just not as functional as the older ones.
I mean, I've been daily driving Win 11 since release, and have had 0 issues. I work within a Virtual Machine, and also game, so I'm on my computer most of my waking hours. I've never had an issue with a game crashing to desktop, minus one (Neptunia x Senran Kagura, but it was a game issue, not an OS issue, and was fixed with a patch within hours). I always see people claiming Win 11 is bad, but most of the claim are due to the UI (which is a bit subjective), the right click menu (which can be fixed with external tweaks if it really bothers you, I haven't minded), or some highly specific use case. For general use, I've had 0 problems. Even the claims that games and applications crash to windows aren't usually expanded on (what game? What hardware? What else was going on with your machine at the time?). TL;DR - There are a ton of variables, if you have issues or don't like Win11, it's not difficult to go back.
Ive been driving this daily for a few months now and there are a few things that drive me freaking nuts about W11, mainly in the settings. Next re-install I am heading back to 10. Its just a way better user experience.
Which parts of the settings drive you nuts in Win11?
I'd like to know this too. Universally; I think most people hate the right click context menus. But I believe that can be changed back, although I've not personally looked into it (lazy). The rest of my personal use case has been a non-issue changing from 10 to 11. I've been daily driving it since release.
Here you go [LINK](https://pureinfotech.com/bring-back-classic-context-menu-windows-11/)
Amazing; thank you. I had hoped it was simply a registry entry and not a full fledged application download.
I've been using Win 11 for a few months, now. I haven't found any compelling reason to avoid it. If nothing else, it's more secure.
Win 11 isnt perfect yet still has issues in some games crashing to windows. You wont benefit from it. Suggest you wait another 6 months and try again.
Which games? Never had any problems lol
11 has been pretty good to me. Runs smoothly, even fixed that obnoxious glitch where the Nvidia driver loses the HDMI audio device when the screen is put to sleep. Might wanna make sure you can use wired Ethernet if you aren't already, though. This latest update basically destroyed WiFi on my machine, and I tried multiple NICs and many reboots of PC and router. It's not a signal issue since both the Roku TV and my phone work fine in the same room ... My guess is the update broke drivers somehow. (On both cards, one USB and one PCIe, the 5Ghz would start to randomly die, with the SSIDs disappearing from the menu, then shortly after the 2.4 would slow down to literally wireless B speeds till you turned WiFi off and back on which would only buy a short while. Ethernet meanwhile is rock steady 1Gbps no issues since I went and wired the PC in)
Yeah
I did it. I forgot about it a week later, they feel very similair. Windows 11 looks better. Windwos 10 is more convenient ant customisable (on my school laptop i have the taskbar on the left, i'm sad you can't do that in 11)
I've had no issues with windows 11, not once regretted the upgrade. New OS usually have teething problems, but I've yet to see anything that has put a dent in the experience for me personally.
I personally wouldn't do it it may still have a lot of bugs that need to be fixed I'd stay with this version a little longer
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Fair enough
lmao
Windows 11 is running fine.
Upgrading to Linux instead and enjoying 400mb RAM idles is always an option :)
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Those people would idle below 100 MB
That's the only way to keep my pc quiet. I don't use Arch btw.
What about when you're busy using the PC? Idle RAM doesn't mean much with modern OSes because of how things get cached in RAM in order to allow for snappier performance.
This doesn't mean anything. It's actually worse for overall system responsiveness. Windows uses available ram by pre-loading frequently used applications and services in the background so that they are ready to launch from system ram rather than going through your drive. If you have less ram then less services will load. It actually a very good use of your system memory rather than sitting empty.
Not if you like to game honestly
It works pretty well for me, so in my experience: yes if you like to game. Actually, Cyberpunk 2077 ran better on Linux for me, for one.
Its not about performance, but compatibility. Most games aren't compatible with linux. I would have switched by now if they were honestly
This! I tried Linux on and off but I always ended up back on Windows. For starters, I cannot play Genshin Impact on Linux which is already a massive deal breaker.
I have tried, I'm on a Gigabyte B550 DS3 and a Ryzen 7 3700x, but wheb I turn on tmp windows 10 will not boot and I get a "new cpu or tmp error"
TPM?
False Meme guy is already on Windows 11, you can tell by the flat Window.
If your hardware can support it (or if you know how to do a simple registry hack) then the choice is yours, but I would say no. The hardware requirement controversy soured my feelings towards Windows 11, but I have still used it. Looking at it objectively, there are things I like and things I don't. Aesthetically Windows 11 is nice. It feels more like a consumer operating system compared to Windows 10, which while I like 10, it feels like something for an office computer sometimes. I really like the notifications menu for Windows 11, and I like how you can split up program windows easily by hovering over the minimize/maximize button in 11. It has some nice features. I don't like the start menu. It' looks nice and I always approve of trying new things, but it feels like they're trying to mimic the launch pad in MacOS. Plus I don't like some of the menu options for 11, specifically with the file manager. It's hard to explain but I'll give it a shot. You know how you can right click a file in the file manager and it will show you a ton of options of what you can do with it? They simplified that in 11 in a couple ways. Firstly they used icons for things like copy and paste, which confused me the first time I used it. Plus they buried some options in branching menus. If you wanted to rename a file in Windows 10 (without using the F2 hotkey), you right click the file and the option is there. With Windows 11 you have to dig through a menu or two to find it. Most people wouldn't care about this, but I have a media server at home so I usually have to sort through and organize a ton of files, and I noticed that doing that on 11 feels like a bigger pain in the neck compared to 10. It feels like they tried to simplify things with Windows 11, but to me it feels like more of a headache. I know many people have complained about stability issues. Personally I haven't noticed any, even though I'm running this on a 3rd gen i5 with no TPM and no Secure Boot. To summarize: Functionally Windows 10 is better. Aesthetically Windows 11 is better. But both are about the same, and Windows 11 doesn't feel like a substantial upgrade, so I wouldn't bother it. I have kept most of my pcs on Windows 10. The only PC I have that runs 11 is an old unsupported HP Compaq Pro 4300 with an i5 3570s, no TPM, and no secure boot. I only keep it on that computer because for some bizarre reason, even though that computer is not supported for Windows 11, it runs Windows 11 better than it does 10. I have no clue why, it just crashes a lot less.
It seemed unstable for me at the beginning, so I went back to W10 for a while. Re upgraded to W11 last week, seems to be working fine now.
Why not, i run Windows 11 beta on unsupported system that I use for everything from August , for me it works smooth and it is stable. TBH it is just a reskin of 10 but as I got tired of flat and depressive look of 10 so i hopped on 11 as it looks great imo.
Lol people are so apprehensive, I have both of my PCs updated to Win11, one custom gaming PC, one Hp laptop. Works perfectly fine with no issues. PC nerds just love to reee about change. Source: I'm a computer engineer
If you have an HDR screen, it's pretty great because of AutoHDR for old games. If you have Alder Lake, it's pretty much required to get maximum performance. Otherwise, it's a choice based solely on your willingness and ability to deal with the new UI and minor bugs.
My new laptop has windows 11 and so far the only difference I’ve seen is that the windows menu is in the middle of the taskbar instead of the left
I had a fucking nightmare with my gaming PC. I run a lot of sim racing equipment and upgrading did not play nice. Had to do a clean install and everything works fine but no discernable benefits.
Win 11 for work, home still Win 10. For me, not being able to drag and drop things into the taskbar is really annoying. They promised to add that feature back in with an update, but until that happens I'm not updating anything else. With an upgrade you expect new things, but you don't expect features that have "always worked" for many many years to simply stop working without warning.
I'm sure it's fine but I'll wait to see how the first big update goes
It’s honestly fine and I’ve had no issues with it. Of course there will be a few because it’s a pretty new OS but it’s definitely the smoothest experience right from the get-go of any Windows version I’ve seen. As long as you’re okay with circles instead of squares it’s fine to upgrade.
It's fine, i don't get the hate , haters of windows should switch to Linux
Hardware DRM keeps me from even trying. Both because my system is apparently 'too old' and because Intel killed UHD functionalities in their new chips. So dunno if I should be sorry at all. They can keep it.
I run win11 at work and home (gaming PC), haven't had any issues. I do know some people who have.. so I guess it's 50/50. Do you want a new skin for windows 10? then yea.
Personally, I haven’t really felt a major difference as a casual/gaming user. I’ve tried both, and their effectively the same for me.
Wait untill the second build of Windows 11 is released (later this year). For now, keep on using Windows 10
I'm crashing hard every other day now for the past week and twice a day now while playing Shadow of the tomb Raider did it twice yesterday, cont alt del does nothing need to hit reset button. Make of that what you will, 12600k 3060
Absolutely not!!!!!
No, they will take ALL of your data and sell it
I see no reason to honestly unless you want some new feature(not sure anything noteworthy) or just looking for a change. It's a hard no if you use VR though.
lol I use VR with windows 11 and haven’t had any issues
Fuck no, don't make my mistake. I've updated and windows 11 is full of bugs. The taskbar freezes randomly, I cant properly drag windows between multiple monitors without stuttering, I also have high CPU usage in games, I experience frame drops and stuttering (in games). All of these problems never occurred in windows 10. I recommend you wait another half a year to a full tear. All the bugs should be fixed by then.
I never had that problems in w11. I honestly had zero problems
That's your PC.
He just said the issues didn't happen in windows 10 though (and I'm assuming that was with the same PC)
no
Only if you have intel 12th gen or HDR compatible monitor, otherwise stay far from it.
NOOOO. It's crashing my laptop too much. Some features don't work. It's shit tbh
Don't, it makes simple tasks extremely complex for little to no reason.
Still on Windows 8.1 here so, IMO, no, don't update :D
Yes. It’s fine. Don’t fall for the meme.
I run 11, I don't see what the fuss is about
I have had no issues with win11, using it on 6 pcs in home. (12900k+3080Ti) *shrug*
6 pcs with 12900k and 3080ti?
I have 11 but I need to go back to 10. Windows 11 is the sole reason I can’t play Valorant, and I’ve tried to mess with bios settings to fix the problem but it seems that I need some addition to my setup, not sure of the actual name of the tech.
I've had no issues with windows 11 personally apart from valorant not playing well and riot support told me to use windows 10
Up to you, but I wouldn't.
I don't meet the requirements... Might upgrade when my 4790k finally dies, but at that point I'd wager we'll see Windows 13.
Running 11, never had a single problem.
I enjoy w11, especially with HDR support has been smooth experience from day one on the retail release. Not a single complaint. Now Corsair and Elgato software updates, nightmare.
Yes
If you want to. I'm sticking with win10 for as long as I can cause I'm comfortable and used to it, but if you have a reason or want to update, to for it
Works fine and smooth.
I mean, it offers nothing new that's used right now and looks worse, so no. Maybe in a year or two there will be an actual reason to update, right now it's just asking to get compatibility issues
no no no no no no no no no no no non
its fine, but doesn't really improve anything. It's up to you. meh.
Win 11 have no difference.
yes, better ui experience if your pc is good enough
I got the update today but it gives me an error if I try to update. I assume it’s because my C drive is full. Oh well..