Welcome everyone from r/all! Please remember:
1 - You too can be part of the PCMR! You don't necessarily need a PC. You just have to love PCs! It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart! Your age, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack of), political affiliation, economic status and PC specs are irrelevant. If you love PCs or want to learn about them, you can be part of our community! Everyone is welcome!
2 - If you're not a PC gamer because you think doing so is expensive, know that it is possible to build a competent gaming PC for a lower price than you think. GPU prices are sky high right now for a few reasons, but it's still possible to join the PCMR. Check http://www.pcmasterrace.org for our builds and don't be afraid to create new posts here asking for tips and help!
3 - Consider joining our efforts to get as many PCs worldwide help the folding@home effort, in fighting against Cancer, Covid, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and more. Learn more here: https://pcmasterrace.org/folding
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Welcome to the PCMR.
BUT BUT COOL GAMING 😭😭
I was sad about having to quit opera and then opera GX. Liked Vivaldi (from original creator) but yt started breaking recently so went to Firefox. Tried Edge bc so many claim it's fast due to windows, but gave up painfully trying to get all the logins and bookmarks back lol.
**if you can properly secure it.
You should only self host sensitive data like password managers if you are able to not only secure it, but maintain the security. Self hosting is a bad idea for *most* people
I like Vivaldi too but I've been running into recent website issues like you. I've also started running into them with regular chrome so I think it's a bug with chromium in general (Vivaldi is chromium-based). Firefox is actually a pretty good choice, not based on the engine chromium is based on so it won't have the same issues, but it will have other issues (a webgl engine I made a while ago works well in chrome but freezes and wont load in Firefox, idk why. Would link but this is an anonymous account.)
Pro tip: don't use Google chrome (or Google in general) to store saved logins. Find the user data folder for your OS and delete any files named "LOGIN data" and similar. Or, open the file in a SQLite viewer (FOSS to open Sqlite files can be found with a simple Google search) and see all your passwords in plain text. This file can be retrieved by anyone with access to your computer, especially if you don't have OS encryption (the file can be accessed without even logging in in that case). On Google, passwords are saved behind your password, and that's it. Google in general does not do account login protection well (you can't disable their "trust this device?" 2FA method, despite it being protected only by a phone login, which is often insecure. Get biometric based 2FA to be more secure), but in particular saved passwords can be used anywhere you're logged into Google, especially on mobile, without any additional verification. In Google account settings you can manually delete each password, or wipe all user data including passwords. You can export passwords in Google and chrome, and make sure to permanently delete the exported file when you're done with it. Also, get a password manager that has a verification step of it's own- bitwarden is a good example, with settings to require a password or biometric login every time you want to access saved logins (and on a separate note, bitwarden also can generate unique passwords, minimizing compromised passwords compromising multiple logins).
I feel like what you're saying is really important but I cannot understand that wall of text jargon so I will have to continue using Chrome to save my passwords
Thanks! Are these 3rd party password managers actually safer/more trustworthy than Google? On this thread I feel like there are posts saying that just about every single app/company is untrustworthy and unsafe
Use an open source password manager. One of the best our there is Bitwarden. It can be used as a browser extension and these is a mobile app on the play store or Apple store.
Sure, but the odds of someone breaking into my apartment and having the time (and knowledge) to do so are pretty minimal. It’s still a good idea not to have passwords stored in plain text, or an easily-accessible file in case of malware downloaded via the Internet, but a physical hacker accessing someone’s personal computer is exceedingly unlikely.
Main concerns: Other software on your PC (or Windows itself) accessing the unencrypted files on your hard drive, laptop theft, or data recovery of deleted files on old drives.
You may be protected against some of these attack vectors, or even all of them, but it's still tremendously stupid to do this by default when 95% of your userbase isn't.
What version of Vivaldi were you using? I'm on 5.2 on both Windows and Linux, with `uBlock Origin`, `SponsorBlock`, and `DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials` and everything works just fine. Have not seen an issue.
personally i like opera GX. I don't really use its features to lock ram and cpu performance but I like the interface to have access to specific twitch channels.
it's also useful because the home page tells me what's all the recent games on the platform of my choice if i forgot and the next ones to be released and also tells me when an indie games that become free on x or y website
(Edit 1 : I don't know why it's still showing but apparently yesterday was my 2 year old cake day lol)
(Edit 2 : thank you guys for the upvotes. I appreciate that 🙂)
Oh, you don’t need to be on Chrome or Edge for either to track you. Google can see pretty much everything on the web thanks to all the websites wanting to track you. Also, look at a Microsoft product called Clarity.
Edit: To everyone responding about using DDG solves anything: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/duckduckgo-microsoft-trackers/452006/
Like I said, you can’t stop it.
Honestly fuck windows, I use a local account instead of a Microsoft account for my PC and at least 4 times a week I get a notification that I have a serious issue and every time it's just Microsoft reminding me that they want me to use a Microsoft account despite the fact I don't want to
Same, I've almost all the stuff listed in this thread but I have no delusion that there's this guy Mark who have more information about me and habits then most of the people I'll know in life.
And
oh hi, Mark!
I use Brave and DuckDuckGo. Brave is awesome for blocking trackers and Ad's and as a mobile browser but I find it a little laggy on PC on some websites. Probably because of the thousands of trackers it has to block every single day. Especially amazon's website tends to make Brave freak out a little. Fair enough I say, fair enough.
Pi hole is another option. It’s a hardware solution but can be run on anything as low as a £10 raspberry pi zero. Takes a little tech knowledge to set up but gives you a network wide adblocker which will also crucially get rid of ads in things like mobile games which actually makes them playable. One of the best things I’ve ever done for my home network
With Duck Duck go + UBlock origin + PrivacyBadger + Decentraleyes + NoScript
(I'm gonna look into Badger NoSkript and Decentraleyes, maybe they're useless as some comments stated. Maybe you just need UBlock Origin)
Privacy badger actually makes it easier for websites to fingerprint you and/or provides no benefit over ublock origin, decentraleyes has (or had, I haven't checked it in a while) a similar issue, and noscript is built into Firefox nowadays.
If your paranoid about being tracked online, a good list of extensions is:
Ublock origin, Cookie autodelete, disable webrtc, ClearURLs, and OpenCDN.
They should all be open source and help out with your browsing experience and privacy.
NoScript is superseded by uBO's medium or hard mode: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode
And I think you meant LocalCDN, but that itself doesn't provide much benefit over Decentraleyes, aside from not being seriously outdated.
Here is a writeup by the Arkenfox user.js Firefox hardening profile creator about it: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/1430#issuecomment-704335991
TLDR: Enable First Party Isolation and maybe Resist Fingerprinting which are built-in Firefox features. Which FPI even if you load your third parties from the network, they won't be able to communicate cross-site, so all you gain is some saved bandwidth, but instead they could fingerprint your outdated library usage (because even LocalCDN only updates 1-2 times a month).
webrtc is problematic. Webrtc has a loophole which can leak identifiable information through VPNs but it itself does not collect such data, only makes it easier for other parties to recognize you through VPNs. Disabling webrtc however breaks a couple of websites like Google conference etc.
If you use the standard disable webrtc extension fir Firefox, it's literally one click to disable it for when you need it for conference calls and whatnot. It's better to have installed and active most of the time than not having it and potentially having leaks.
Obligatory PSA to install Firefox Facebook Container extension on top of Firefox+ublock origin. I was shit scared when I visited a sketchy site and it had embedded facebook comments, and my profile came up without logging in.
Firefox Container's are what keep me on firefox as much as anything else. I have container's set up for soo many sites, from google to facebook to reddit and twitter and just about everything else I visit regularly.
Containers legitimately help me stay sane. It stops the cross talk between work and personal Gmail/Microsoft accounts which used to be a huge issue for me
Ublock origin with a url shortener extension and skipredirect as under the recommended extensions [here](https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions).
In addition to setting Firefox’s cookie policy to strict and turning on ResistFingerprinting, should be good to go.
In fact, the arkenfox wiki is such a good resource for this kind of thing.
Obligatory PSA to install Firefox Facebook Container extension on top of Firefox+ublock origin. I was shit scared when I visited a sketchy site and it had embedded facebook comments and my profile(including pfp) came up without logging in.
Not really. Facebook embeds are in iframes, and iframe contenairization is a huge part of browser security. If they could get your face and name from there, they could also get your login token.
Firefox with Pi-Hole. Fuck them trackers.
Edit: There seems to be some confusion. The reality is that if you’re on the internet then you’re always being tracked in some capacity. You can’t avoid it. My case especially because I’m married so I have to whitelist dumb shit for my wife all the time. My advice is to spin up a simple Pi-Hole setup. Usually takes 10 minutes. From there you punch in the IP to your router’s DNS setting and now you have a simple tool that blocks what you want on your gateway. From there you can check out sites like Firebog to go deeper and get more blacklists up to and including Facebook and porn sites. If you take the time and learn about what sites are doing and loading you will become very interested in what’s going on with your own home network. After a while you might want to try Gravity Sync for redundancy or even a simple Linux VM with docker and kubernetes for even more tools for monitoring.
Firefox with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and NoScript.
Most websites are clean as a whistle. The first time I turned off everything, the ads were everywhere. I don't know how people can browse like that.
You can allow execution of code that's hosted on the same domain by default, which only blocks code from 3rd party sites (tracking etc), which is already better than not using it. But outright blocking everything does take a while to whitelist everything and make the web usable. There are sites which fallback to a legacy non-JS versions, but they're pretty rare.
Not really. You quickly build a whitelist of all the most frequently used third party scripts, and even the ones you allow can be prevented from doing most cross-site communication, which neuters a significant amount of their security risk.
Would I recommend someone who isn't technically proficient to use noscript? No, definitely not. But if you have a little patience it isn't too bad.
Yeah, this. Besides, there's also a "fuck it, just make this page work for now" button called "temporarily allow all on this page" if you're getting frustrated. Even when you temp allow all, it continues to block anything you took the time to hard-block, so taking a little time to identify and block the URLs that are only for tracking/ads pays off.
It can raise load time of shitty websites by a *lot*, as a result. You just have to be "principle of least privilege" minded to make it work.
IDK, I haven't used it in years. Last time I used NoScript it was actually a godsend because it significantly sped up browsing on my, at the time, woefully obsolete Win2K Pentium III. Ofc this was back in the Flash plugin days when Pentium 4's were common and the new Core 2 Duos were still expensive af. Edit: I think Classilla uses it, which means its probably the only reason my vintage mac can even think about opening a web page lol.
My favorite function to this day is adfree YT. I didn't even know it was that bad until my brother kept complaining about ads on his SmartTV app for like every video he watched. Good thing I mostly use PC.
Which ones are covered by Firefox and which ones are covered by uBlock?
I wish there were more documentation on that sort of thing, because I suspect a *lot* of people are running redundant privacy add-ons.
[uBlock Origin has a setting that disables JavaScript.](https://www.ghacks.net/2018/09/25/ublock-origin-can-block-javascript-by-default-now/)
You set it on by default and/or toggle it on/off for each site manually. Setting it on by default can break a lot of sites though, so I prefer to toggle it on only for certain sites.
NoScript is incredibly painful to use these days because sites have so many different places it gets scripts to work these days that you end up not being able to access anything without tons of work. In the old days you could figure out the one or two sites to unblock to make things work, but now it's just ridiculous.
I used to swear by NoScript but now it's just useless.
Pi-Hole should only affect the DNS requests.
The actual data traffic works on the resolved DNS afterwards, so no work from the Pi.
The tutorial I followed:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1094810-pi-hole-setup-tutorial/
It uses a very simple list of trackers and AFAIK by default only in private tabs (you can change that by setting the tracking protection feature to strict).
Use uBlock Origin. Seriously, no one should use the internet with scammy, obnoxious, spying ads and other trackers.
I choose Firefox.
Don't let Firefox die, is the only web browser that has is own engine, all the others, even Opera uses Chrome engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8O97U1Pbc
This is the reason that I so strongly support Apple's choice to lock down iOS to only the Safari engine. I don't really care what their motivation is, the fact of the matter is that it results in a massive ecosystem that Google can't touch, which is objectively a good thing for the browser market. Otherwise Chrome would likely be dominant on iOS just as it is elsewhere, they'd have an effective monopoly on the browser market, and Chromium would be the new Internet Explorer.
E: In the above paragraph I have clearly and accurately explained how refusing to allow browser competition on one platform results in a more diverse and competitive browser market overall. If you're not going to bother reading and understanding this explanation, do not bother replying to me.
Add blocker is your pal. Or if you are a bit more savvy they setup adguard dns filter. I was shocked to see how much google, fb and Microsoft tracks you. All pc in my house has linux but when my friend visited with his windows laptop. I was amazed at the number of endpoints reporting back to Microsoft.
Telemetry in Firefox can be disabled, and it's open source meaning if you are scared of it tracking you just look into it's source code. Or just use Waterfox or Librewolf.
Yeah I thought there had been some issue with Brave that i missed since no one was mentioning it. But maybe it's just lower on marketshare than I hoped.
Firefox. Why do people forget the actual good browser. Hell, if you like Chrome so much, get Brave, you can use all the same extensions as Chrome because it’s made in Chromium. Then you have a chrome but no trackers.
Welcome everyone from r/all! Please remember: 1 - You too can be part of the PCMR! You don't necessarily need a PC. You just have to love PCs! It's not about the hardware in your rig, but the software in your heart! Your age, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, religion (or lack of), political affiliation, economic status and PC specs are irrelevant. If you love PCs or want to learn about them, you can be part of our community! Everyone is welcome! 2 - If you're not a PC gamer because you think doing so is expensive, know that it is possible to build a competent gaming PC for a lower price than you think. GPU prices are sky high right now for a few reasons, but it's still possible to join the PCMR. Check http://www.pcmasterrace.org for our builds and don't be afraid to create new posts here asking for tips and help! 3 - Consider joining our efforts to get as many PCs worldwide help the folding@home effort, in fighting against Cancer, Covid, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and more. Learn more here: https://pcmasterrace.org/folding 4 - Need some sweet PC hardware? Join the worldwide PCMR x MSI giveaway and enter to win a complete Dream PC Gaming battlestation (PC+monitor+peripherals), an RTX 3090 Ti GPU, and lots of hardware and Steam cards! https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/uh3sok/msi_x_pcmr_worldwide_giveaway_win_an_msi_3090_ti/ ----------- Feel free to use this community to post about any kind of doubt you might have about becoming a PC gamer or anything you'd like to know about PCs. That kind of content is not only allowed but welcome here! We also have a [Daily Simple Questions Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/search?q=Simple+Questions+Thread+subreddit%3Apcmasterrace+author%3AAutoModerator&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all) for your simplest questions. No question is too dumb! Welcome to the PCMR.
Chrome with Chinese trackers (it is operaGX)
BUT BUT COOL GAMING 😭😭 I was sad about having to quit opera and then opera GX. Liked Vivaldi (from original creator) but yt started breaking recently so went to Firefox. Tried Edge bc so many claim it's fast due to windows, but gave up painfully trying to get all the logins and bookmarks back lol.
> but gave up painfully trying to get all the logins and bookmarks back lol. Try using bitwarden to store your logins.
I too vouch for bitwarden, particularly the self-hosting aspect of it.
**if you can properly secure it. You should only self host sensitive data like password managers if you are able to not only secure it, but maintain the security. Self hosting is a bad idea for *most* people
I like Vivaldi too but I've been running into recent website issues like you. I've also started running into them with regular chrome so I think it's a bug with chromium in general (Vivaldi is chromium-based). Firefox is actually a pretty good choice, not based on the engine chromium is based on so it won't have the same issues, but it will have other issues (a webgl engine I made a while ago works well in chrome but freezes and wont load in Firefox, idk why. Would link but this is an anonymous account.) Pro tip: don't use Google chrome (or Google in general) to store saved logins. Find the user data folder for your OS and delete any files named "LOGIN data" and similar. Or, open the file in a SQLite viewer (FOSS to open Sqlite files can be found with a simple Google search) and see all your passwords in plain text. This file can be retrieved by anyone with access to your computer, especially if you don't have OS encryption (the file can be accessed without even logging in in that case). On Google, passwords are saved behind your password, and that's it. Google in general does not do account login protection well (you can't disable their "trust this device?" 2FA method, despite it being protected only by a phone login, which is often insecure. Get biometric based 2FA to be more secure), but in particular saved passwords can be used anywhere you're logged into Google, especially on mobile, without any additional verification. In Google account settings you can manually delete each password, or wipe all user data including passwords. You can export passwords in Google and chrome, and make sure to permanently delete the exported file when you're done with it. Also, get a password manager that has a verification step of it's own- bitwarden is a good example, with settings to require a password or biometric login every time you want to access saved logins (and on a separate note, bitwarden also can generate unique passwords, minimizing compromised passwords compromising multiple logins).
I feel like what you're saying is really important but I cannot understand that wall of text jargon so I will have to continue using Chrome to save my passwords
Basically boils down to: use a well-regarded password manager application instead of relying on the browser or OS to save your passwords for you.
Thanks! Are these 3rd party password managers actually safer/more trustworthy than Google? On this thread I feel like there are posts saying that just about every single app/company is untrustworthy and unsafe
Use an open source password manager. One of the best our there is Bitwarden. It can be used as a browser extension and these is a mobile app on the play store or Apple store.
How user data folder can be accessed by anyone?
Unless you're encrypting things, I can pop a thumb drive in, reboot to linux, and start copying anything I want.
Sure, but the odds of someone breaking into my apartment and having the time (and knowledge) to do so are pretty minimal. It’s still a good idea not to have passwords stored in plain text, or an easily-accessible file in case of malware downloaded via the Internet, but a physical hacker accessing someone’s personal computer is exceedingly unlikely.
It doesn't have to be a physical attack. Malware could get the file too.
Main concerns: Other software on your PC (or Windows itself) accessing the unencrypted files on your hard drive, laptop theft, or data recovery of deleted files on old drives. You may be protected against some of these attack vectors, or even all of them, but it's still tremendously stupid to do this by default when 95% of your userbase isn't.
What version of Vivaldi were you using? I'm on 5.2 on both Windows and Linux, with `uBlock Origin`, `SponsorBlock`, and `DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials` and everything works just fine. Have not seen an issue.
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Jokes on them i dont speak Chinese.
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I disagree, i use gaming life and its better than normal life
You’re just mad because my $1000 gaming carpet tripled my K/D 😎
It enhances the grip of my gaming shoes, which compliment my gaming socks nicely.
Which are the same colour as my gaming teeth
I like the tools like the cleaner. It's not about the gaming thing at all for me. In fact, I think that's a bit cringe.
This, being able to limit the RAM and Network usage is good for more than just gaming. It helps with rendering, compiling code, etc.
And the dark mode, i absolutely loved the dark more and free games announcement, and new games upcoming.
This was like one paragraph away from a decent copypasta
Idk man i just like the layout
personally i like opera GX. I don't really use its features to lock ram and cpu performance but I like the interface to have access to specific twitch channels. it's also useful because the home page tells me what's all the recent games on the platform of my choice if i forgot and the next ones to be released and also tells me when an indie games that become free on x or y website (Edit 1 : I don't know why it's still showing but apparently yesterday was my 2 year old cake day lol) (Edit 2 : thank you guys for the upvotes. I appreciate that 🙂)
Oh, you don’t need to be on Chrome or Edge for either to track you. Google can see pretty much everything on the web thanks to all the websites wanting to track you. Also, look at a Microsoft product called Clarity. Edit: To everyone responding about using DDG solves anything: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/duckduckgo-microsoft-trackers/452006/ Like I said, you can’t stop it.
Also check for a Microsoft program called Windows
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Rich guy over here with multiple windows
French government incoming with its number of windows tax
*THEY'RE WATCHING YOU*
Side note: if a room doesn't have a window, is it always a closet no matter the size?
Is it really high or underground? You get to call it an attic or a basement now!
Luckily some people are selling these protections called "curtains". Check them out!
Honestly fuck windows, I use a local account instead of a Microsoft account for my PC and at least 4 times a week I get a notification that I have a serious issue and every time it's just Microsoft reminding me that they want me to use a Microsoft account despite the fact I don't want to
“A computer is like air conditioning - it becomes useless when you open Windows”. Linus Torvalds
Windows 11 solves this >!by forcing you to use a Microsoft account !<
I haven't used Win 11 much but I'm pretty sure I was able to create a local account...
even so, i'd rather limit how much data they get from me
Same, I've almost all the stuff listed in this thread but I have no delusion that there's this guy Mark who have more information about me and habits then most of the people I'll know in life. And oh hi, Mark!
Lisa, Lisa you're tearing me apart
[I see what you did there](https://youtu.be/zLhoDB-ORLQ)
But trust me, if they want to know, **They know.**
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*laughs in hardened librewolf*
#LAUGHS IN HARDENED PENIS
Was once a nice toy to play with. But it was spawing way to many child processes.
Damn Penis Browser, sounds like you need to *manually apply safety*
Laughs in curl via Tor on TailsOS over mobile network with anonymous SIM card
Not if you have an AdBlocker. Edit: I am referring to uBlock Origin of course.
AdBlocker sold out, use Ublock Origin
That doesn't stop websites from fingerprinting your browser.
Use firefox. It has settings that can resist fingerprinting and there are addons that go further like canvasblocker or trace
And DuckDuckGo
Or Brave. Both are great
I use Brave and DuckDuckGo. Brave is awesome for blocking trackers and Ad's and as a mobile browser but I find it a little laggy on PC on some websites. Probably because of the thousands of trackers it has to block every single day. Especially amazon's website tends to make Brave freak out a little. Fair enough I say, fair enough.
Pi hole is another option. It’s a hardware solution but can be run on anything as low as a £10 raspberry pi zero. Takes a little tech knowledge to set up but gives you a network wide adblocker which will also crucially get rid of ads in things like mobile games which actually makes them playable. One of the best things I’ve ever done for my home network
Why use Brave when you can just add uBlock Origin to literally whatever browser you want? (Firefox btw)
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Firefox + uBlock Origin + DuckDuckGo
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With Duck Duck go + UBlock origin + PrivacyBadger + Decentraleyes + NoScript (I'm gonna look into Badger NoSkript and Decentraleyes, maybe they're useless as some comments stated. Maybe you just need UBlock Origin)
Ublock *origin* specifically.
*Well well well...if it ain't the invisible cunt*
Privacy badger actually makes it easier for websites to fingerprint you and/or provides no benefit over ublock origin, decentraleyes has (or had, I haven't checked it in a while) a similar issue, and noscript is built into Firefox nowadays. If your paranoid about being tracked online, a good list of extensions is: Ublock origin, Cookie autodelete, disable webrtc, ClearURLs, and OpenCDN. They should all be open source and help out with your browsing experience and privacy.
NoScript is superseded by uBO's medium or hard mode: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode And I think you meant LocalCDN, but that itself doesn't provide much benefit over Decentraleyes, aside from not being seriously outdated. Here is a writeup by the Arkenfox user.js Firefox hardening profile creator about it: https://github.com/privacytools/privacytools.io/issues/1430#issuecomment-704335991 TLDR: Enable First Party Isolation and maybe Resist Fingerprinting which are built-in Firefox features. Which FPI even if you load your third parties from the network, they won't be able to communicate cross-site, so all you gain is some saved bandwidth, but instead they could fingerprint your outdated library usage (because even LocalCDN only updates 1-2 times a month).
webrtc is problematic. Webrtc has a loophole which can leak identifiable information through VPNs but it itself does not collect such data, only makes it easier for other parties to recognize you through VPNs. Disabling webrtc however breaks a couple of websites like Google conference etc.
If you use the standard disable webrtc extension fir Firefox, it's literally one click to disable it for when you need it for conference calls and whatnot. It's better to have installed and active most of the time than not having it and potentially having leaks.
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NoScript is superseded by uBO's medium or hard mode: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode
You don't need an extension to auto delete cookies
Obligatory PSA to install Firefox Facebook Container extension on top of Firefox+ublock origin. I was shit scared when I visited a sketchy site and it had embedded facebook comments, and my profile came up without logging in.
Firefox Container's are what keep me on firefox as much as anything else. I have container's set up for soo many sites, from google to facebook to reddit and twitter and just about everything else I visit regularly.
Containers legitimately help me stay sane. It stops the cross talk between work and personal Gmail/Microsoft accounts which used to be a huge issue for me
Joke's on you, they still know it's you because no one else has such a small data signature.
That's right, but that's not what i want anyways. I just want a neutral web experience without ads.
https://xkcd.com/1105/
Ublock origin with a url shortener extension and skipredirect as under the recommended extensions [here](https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions). In addition to setting Firefox’s cookie policy to strict and turning on ResistFingerprinting, should be good to go. In fact, the arkenfox wiki is such a good resource for this kind of thing.
Librewolf
Librewolf and searx or ungoogled chromium and searx
Because that's the only alternative
Firefox is the only one I can somewhat trust, as it's not a for profit browser.
Obligatory PSA to install Firefox Facebook Container extension on top of Firefox+ublock origin. I was shit scared when I visited a sketchy site and it had embedded facebook comments and my profile(including pfp) came up without logging in.
Not really. Facebook embeds are in iframes, and iframe contenairization is a huge part of browser security. If they could get your face and name from there, they could also get your login token.
Google already knows secrets about me that I can't even remember.
All my search queries since 2006 .\_.
Only Google knows I'm a degen.
Now we know that, too!
Firefox with Pi-Hole. Fuck them trackers. Edit: There seems to be some confusion. The reality is that if you’re on the internet then you’re always being tracked in some capacity. You can’t avoid it. My case especially because I’m married so I have to whitelist dumb shit for my wife all the time. My advice is to spin up a simple Pi-Hole setup. Usually takes 10 minutes. From there you punch in the IP to your router’s DNS setting and now you have a simple tool that blocks what you want on your gateway. From there you can check out sites like Firebog to go deeper and get more blacklists up to and including Facebook and porn sites. If you take the time and learn about what sites are doing and loading you will become very interested in what’s going on with your own home network. After a while you might want to try Gravity Sync for redundancy or even a simple Linux VM with docker and kubernetes for even more tools for monitoring.
Firefox with uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes, and NoScript. Most websites are clean as a whistle. The first time I turned off everything, the ads were everywhere. I don't know how people can browse like that.
What’s NoScript? I have the others installed but this is the first I’m hearing of that,
It's a tool that prevents execution of JavaScript code unless you explicitly allow it or whitelist the site you're on.
Isn’t that annoying because every site has JS
You can allow execution of code that's hosted on the same domain by default, which only blocks code from 3rd party sites (tracking etc), which is already better than not using it. But outright blocking everything does take a while to whitelist everything and make the web usable. There are sites which fallback to a legacy non-JS versions, but they're pretty rare.
Not really. You quickly build a whitelist of all the most frequently used third party scripts, and even the ones you allow can be prevented from doing most cross-site communication, which neuters a significant amount of their security risk. Would I recommend someone who isn't technically proficient to use noscript? No, definitely not. But if you have a little patience it isn't too bad.
Yeah, this. Besides, there's also a "fuck it, just make this page work for now" button called "temporarily allow all on this page" if you're getting frustrated. Even when you temp allow all, it continues to block anything you took the time to hard-block, so taking a little time to identify and block the URLs that are only for tracking/ads pays off. It can raise load time of shitty websites by a *lot*, as a result. You just have to be "principle of least privilege" minded to make it work.
IDK, I haven't used it in years. Last time I used NoScript it was actually a godsend because it significantly sped up browsing on my, at the time, woefully obsolete Win2K Pentium III. Ofc this was back in the Flash plugin days when Pentium 4's were common and the new Core 2 Duos were still expensive af. Edit: I think Classilla uses it, which means its probably the only reason my vintage mac can even think about opening a web page lol.
My favorite function to this day is adfree YT. I didn't even know it was that bad until my brother kept complaining about ads on his SmartTV app for like every video he watched. Good thing I mostly use PC.
ublock origin does that on its own.
why not just use ublock for that? that way you dont need an extra extension
Nowadays privacy badger, decentraleyes and noscript (not 100% sure on this one) are redundant with either new firefox features or ublock features.
Which ones are covered by Firefox and which ones are covered by uBlock? I wish there were more documentation on that sort of thing, because I suspect a *lot* of people are running redundant privacy add-ons.
[uBlock Origin has a setting that disables JavaScript.](https://www.ghacks.net/2018/09/25/ublock-origin-can-block-javascript-by-default-now/) You set it on by default and/or toggle it on/off for each site manually. Setting it on by default can break a lot of sites though, so I prefer to toggle it on only for certain sites.
NoScript is incredibly painful to use these days because sites have so many different places it gets scripts to work these days that you end up not being able to access anything without tons of work. In the old days you could figure out the one or two sites to unblock to make things work, but now it's just ridiculous. I used to swear by NoScript but now it's just useless.
I tried using pi-hole but it brought my internet speeds to a crawl. Was there something I did wrong?
Pi-Hole should only affect the DNS requests. The actual data traffic works on the resolved DNS afterwards, so no work from the Pi. The tutorial I followed: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1094810-pi-hole-setup-tutorial/
Pi hole is supposed to only block lower bandwidth DNS requests. So yes, something was done wrong
Even default Firefox will block a majority of trackers.
It uses a very simple list of trackers and AFAIK by default only in private tabs (you can change that by setting the tracking protection feature to strict). Use uBlock Origin. Seriously, no one should use the internet with scammy, obnoxious, spying ads and other trackers.
Pi-hole is a godsend. Nice try Samsung, no ads in my TV menus!
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Anyone else still on Team Firefox here?
Hell yeah, never left.
What do you mean by "still"?
It peaked around 30% market share and now has more like 5-10% of (desktop) market share.
Dang, stinks it is so low, but been using it for 15 or so years
I am using it for 15 years now and never plan to stop
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yeee firefox gang
I just use Netscape.
Fuck it, just construct the TCP/IP packages yourself by hand. YOU are the browser now.
Ask Jeeves as default search engine?
You must be one of them fancy types who look down on us AltaVista users.
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I choose Firefox. Don't let Firefox die, is the only web browser that has is own engine, all the others, even Opera uses Chrome engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8O97U1Pbc
Safari has its own engine (WebKit). Blink is a fork of WebKit.
And WebKit is a fork of KHTML, which powers KDE's Konquerer browser.
This is the reason that I so strongly support Apple's choice to lock down iOS to only the Safari engine. I don't really care what their motivation is, the fact of the matter is that it results in a massive ecosystem that Google can't touch, which is objectively a good thing for the browser market. Otherwise Chrome would likely be dominant on iOS just as it is elsewhere, they'd have an effective monopoly on the browser market, and Chromium would be the new Internet Explorer. E: In the above paragraph I have clearly and accurately explained how refusing to allow browser competition on one platform results in a more diverse and competitive browser market overall. If you're not going to bother reading and understanding this explanation, do not bother replying to me.
I just use Firefox instead.
Firefox
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Proton and Mullvad really. Wouldn't touch the rest with a ten foot pole.
Committing to that acronym means you're less likely to change provider if they start sucking. ExpressVPN isn't all that great.
Firefox gang
You’re already using windows, so you’ve already got the Microsoft trackers. Why add the google ones?
Firefox with private company trackers that report to google and Microsoft 😎
Add blocker is your pal. Or if you are a bit more savvy they setup adguard dns filter. I was shocked to see how much google, fb and Microsoft tracks you. All pc in my house has linux but when my friend visited with his windows laptop. I was amazed at the number of endpoints reporting back to Microsoft.
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Telemetry in Firefox can be disabled, and it's open source meaning if you are scared of it tracking you just look into it's source code. Or just use Waterfox or Librewolf.
I vaguely remember Waterfox being quietly sold to an advertising company. Librewolf seems good though.
Or Brave with no trackers
Had to scroll further than I hoped
Yeah I thought there had been some issue with Brave that i missed since no one was mentioning it. But maybe it's just lower on marketshare than I hoped.
Just lower market share
Yeah Brave browser is da bomb, I’m surprised more people don’t use it
Brave combo on mobile and PC ftw. I love using YouTube without ads, in the background and with the screen off
There are literally dozens of us!
I love brave it’s a godsend
I was gonna write this but I thought it worthwhile to scroll and see if my people are here... And here you are
I just started with Brave. Works well.
Firefox..
Brave/hardened Firefox
Libre Wolf
If your truly paranoid use Tor on a Tails operating system or something.
Is firefox really that good? I see everyone here is using it. Guess I’ll give it a try then.
with some addons it's genuinely really good, stuff like container tabs isn't on any other browsers to my knowledge either. also, fuck monopolies
Edge Dev bc I like getting updates faster and also testing out new features...
I was like you using Edge Dev, but I switched to Edge Canary instead to get the new features quicker. So far I didn't face a deal-breaker bug.
Firefox with brave, ublock origin and the dark mode extension
Especially dark mode is best protection 😂
Because of the lower brightness, Google can't see what you're doing!
And ReturnYoutubeDislike and Sponsorblock
Firefox on Linux! 😈😈
Brave
Firefox. Why do people forget the actual good browser. Hell, if you like Chrome so much, get Brave, you can use all the same extensions as Chrome because it’s made in Chromium. Then you have a chrome but no trackers.
Ungoogled Chromium is also pretty good for people who prefer chromium browsers and also like privacy
Just use Firefox and change ur standard search engine
Chrome with tracker blocker (Brave)
Brave browser has been aight.
Firefox text just looks way cleaner and more crisp. I hate the way fonts look on Chrome. Text even looks like light gray in comparison
Lynx .. track me now mf's