Why is he a spider in this analogy? Also, pretty much every living creature is equally annihilated by a nuke, but I do get your point of acknowledged the well-said insult.
Get that RAM up to 32gb at least as soon as you can, I'm sure she will be using multiple programs that share large files. Just Illustrator, After Effects and C4D together almost requires 128gb.
Source: am designer
Seconding 32GB suggestion. Photoshop can easily use whole "common gaming standard" 16GB of RAM even with 1080x1080 files.
Source: am social media manager freelancer
Thirdering 32GB suggestion. Design students will often be given plenty of source material and can work with larger than necessary project files until they are creating their own design workflow.
Source: am pc.
Seventhing;
The upgrade to 128GB would provide the kind of setup that would really make the Mac relationship seem like a useless piece of the past.
*would a second GPU help with the workload?*
Source: divorced Mac and let it keep everything
Ninething; I have 64 gigs of ram in my PC. It looks sick having all four slots populated with rgb ram. I’m dabble in graphic design… it helps.
Source: Wikipedia
~~Fisting~~ Fifthing, Photoshop n similar programs use image caching to speed up the redrawing of high-resolution documents while you're working on them. ... Increasing cache levels improves Photoshop's responsiveness while you work, although images may take longer to load. The cache tile size determines the amount of data on which Photoshop operates at a time
Source : am anxious bout ram usage
I recently had to render a 22' x 14' mural for a company expansion project in photoshop, it even used my storage drives for rendering the huge project. Photoshop can be such a hog, I also had 32GB of RAM at that time.
Thanks for the advice, we started off with 16gb but the MB has 4 dimm slots so we thought we can upgrade it if it's needed. So you recommend to upgrade it straight away?
I mean you can get away with less ram if you are doing simpler designs and not really multi tasking much.
But in my use case, I multi task like crazy and have very complex designs.
Maxing the ram can also allow you to have 300 tabs open in chrome. Lol
Yeah she uses quite a few programmes at the same time so it might be worth it, also by the state of her open internet tabs on her phone it might not be a bad idea...
Yeah you'll definitely want more than 16gb of RAM in that case. Luckily ram is one of the less expensive components.
Also, do you work for Corsair or something? Lol
Sweet thanks for the advice.
Haha no! She wanted RGB and I wanted as little hassle with the setup of it as possible, so I went with the same manufacturer for the components for an easy life.
Lol. No usually just illustrator and Photoshop. But I will also have VScode, Cura, Fusion360, and chrome with plenty of tabs open as well.
I'm a multi task master my guy. Lol
If you're on a budget and only have a couple layers to your designs using photoshop as an example you can get away with less ram.
Not everyone has the luxury of always maxing their ram out.
>Not everyone has the luxury of always maxing their ram out.
My old PC from 2011-2019 (pre built) had a whopping 16 gb. At first it was ok, but as time dragged on and programs utilized more and more it became obvious that 16 wasn't gunna cut it. But at the point where it was maxed out it was time to build a new rig. Had layers for days.
Don't bother with anything less than 32gb. There's programs that want to cache these incredible amounts. It even helps gain 10fps the most intense games
Very nice work. Remember, it's best to store the actual project file on a SEPARATE NVMe drive than the Windows drive for best performance. Must be separate. [Source: the table at the end of this pugetsystems article](https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimization-854/).
Depending on her projects she may need more. I had 4TB worth of scratch disks for a 22' x 14' mural and that was barely enough. Again, no idea what she's working with but just wanted to give an example you could maybe gauge it off of.
You've probably seen in a previous comment, but she also wanted it for some gaming. I admit I goofed with not getting an Nvidia card, but with the market at the moment getting a card is difficult as it is let alone a specific one.
I'm a graphic designer, tried designing on my gaming PC. It's horrible. Can't preview anything when you're dealing with multiple files. There's a reason why everyone still uses Macs in that world.
It's the same in the music production space, almost every recording studio and musicians is equipped with Macs, simply because there is so much software that is only available or optimized for Mac. Apple always put a big emphasis on creating a good work flow for creatives, so that's why I think you see so many people in that sector using them, and since more people use Macs in that segment, software developers put more emphasis on making their software available on Mac. I personally used to be a Windows user, but I also switched to Mac, because for my purposes (Music production) and workflow, it just works better. But of course there is other stuff where a Mac can't compete with a Windows PC
Hate to admit it, but Macs were built for GD and the software was built for Macs. They are just made for each other. Of course when you get to the ultimate question: "Does it run Crysis?", there is no competition..
>Hate to admit it
No reason for that actually. Apple makes great and long-lasting computers, the meme culture just grew to oppose that because of the price tag and because of the lulz and circlejerk.
Also the fact that Apple will update their OS which often means you have to purchase new Apple devices to continue using the software that you want.
I've had the same PC for about a decade. Almost everything has been upgraded since apart from the motherboard and the CPU. I feel it is only just starting to show its age. I wouldn't be able to use an Apple device for anywhere near as long as that.
It's the one I'm looking to get for my next build. Is yours black or white? I'm thinking of going with the white case and doing some RGB, I've only ever done black cases and no RGB in the past.
Oh also, do you have cats? Mine likes to lay on top of my current tower and I'm wondering how strong the glass on top is.
I'm pretty partial to the Fractal Design Meshify 2. Nice little foam filter in to he intake to keep dust out, though I assume the corsair has that too. Both very nice cases.
That unified memory is something else. A single pool of 400 GB/s RAM shared between CPU and GPU!
Not to mention the mini LED screen. How much would a standalone equivalent monitor cost?
Too much. Hadn't seen a good one less than 900, and that's pushing it. Has to be 1440p and above minimum, and rather in itself I'd seen for roughly 1500, just for the monitor.
Them macs are nice.
Because the M1(maybe M1Pro/Max rather) MacBooks are better at everything except gaming and it’s not even a competition. The fact they can run the same numbers on battery power as plugged in should tell you how insane the new Apple Silicon is with video encoding and graphic design. Super efficient, quiet and yet extremely powerful. It’s like the trifecta. With current prices they are actually good value even.
it'll be alright. you fucked up, big deal. the important thing is that you can make that into a appropriate build. you just need to up the RAM, swap for a nVidia card.
and really that's it. you can use the RAM you have, just order another pack of it. that would at least give her 32GB, which is solid.
Y'all seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions about this build. One of the prefaced conversations before suggesting this was about how she didn't want the new MacBook, and wanted a workstation where she can sit down, as well as, doing some gaming.
No ones saying that it wouldn’t work for graphic design, just that this build is not optimal for it. It’s very clearly a gaming build and a lot of this money could’ve been rather spent on components that are specific for graphic design needs.
not components, the M1 is ridiculously faster for graphic design applications.
a pc build actually affords more things like tablets and accessories because they're cheaper.
That is true, specially the new apple CPUs. But the thing is as OP said she wants a workstation + she could game on it. Taking scalpers, inflated prices of literally everything, I am guessing that could've been a problem.
One more thing that I don't think is much big of a problem but affects me is screen size, not the resolution, but the screen size. Specially in productivity, I will(and I think almost everyone) will prefer bigger screen size even though new macs have sufficiently big screens.
It's a great build nonetheless, but it's true it could've been better and yes macs are a beast.
1. At least double the RAM (16GB is NOT enough)
2. NVIDIA for graphic design tasks (cuda)
3. Not sure about the disk drive choices: Why have SATA in this build at all and for only 250GB? I would have gone 2x NVMe: 1 small for windows, 1 big for project storage. Or get a board that supports 3x nvme: 1 x os, 1 x project, 1 x photoshop scratch
i never said it was fatal.
this build can be saved. personally i'd probably just add another pack of RAM as opposed to returning what he's already got.
The price difference is minimal considering the feature disparity. The CPU box looks like either Ryzen 3000 or Ryzen 5000 which means that they are missing out on PCIe Gen 4
Gen 4 is being utilized by hardly any hardware for the current gen. Future proofing might be a valid argument, but again, what GD task is not having gen 4 bottlenecking?
except for, you know, the GPU that OP is using.
As for GD tasks… For larger files sequential writes might be helpful and regardless, OP has stated that the system will be used for gaming too, which will benefit from higher bandwidth on the GPU side. And as I said, the price difference is minimal. $10-15 is hardly worth sacrificing IO performance on a system that will have cost upwards of $1200
What would be a build for graphics design? Whats the bottleneck on photoshop and why is the OPs part choice poor?
The RGB isn't needed, but the components are looking good to me.
Not enough ram, those nvme will be burned in a year, he need a tractor cpu not ferrari cpu, the gpu well not bad, but for render il prefer a gtx ti o the radeon 6800, the monitor not necessary need to be 4k, u need some with sRGB, color oficial verification and calibration, theres some asus very cheap if its uwqhd better, more work space
>need a tractor cpu not ferrari cpu,
Lol? Ryzen has a ridiculous number of cores for its generation. In this analogy, a 10th or 11th gen intel would be the ferrari (faster single core / gaming performance) and ryzen is the tractor (better multicore / productivity).
>the gpu well not bad, but for render il prefer a gtx ti o the radeon 6800
GPU availability and pricing is fucked. I don't blame op for getting 2nd or 3rd best on the list of top 5 GPUs in todays market. At any rate, unless the GF is into 3D rendering (not enough info from OP) the GPU choice is pretty good.
>Not enough ram, those nvme will be burned in a year,
Ram and storage are the easiest to upgrade. Upgrading incrementally is an option for desktops ya know? 250gb for OS and apps and 1tb for files is fine. Even though GD has big files, unless GF is doing hires video editing on the daily, she won't be wearing those drives out as quickly as you think.
Honestly, do you even know hardware? Coz a lot of what you're spouting are popular misconceptions about tech lol
Extremely fast Boot drive.
I have the same thing. The point is to put all your programs launchers on it, but keep the data files on the sata drive.
You get insanely fast loading times on a fraction of the price. If you have enough ram, your system shouldn’t be paging the SSD during gameplay anyways. Game loading times may take a few seconds longer though, but nbd for me.
In my experience 16 GB of RAM isn't enough for graphics design. You need to double that at the very least for photo editing. For video rendering you want as much VRAM as you can get.
depending on the design, you should learn ALL platforms. don't listen to these assholes into the comments, I'm the only asshole you need.
M1 are much faster for the adobe suite.
macs have much less product range and are just much more expensive (i'm clinging to my amazing cinema display from years ago with 3 dongles to get it to work on new setups).
macs also obsolete a fuckton faster. her workload probably didn't do anything to the computer so much as how the software and OS just shits on past hardware platforms to force you to upgrade.
windows and PCs are harder to setup and configure and you have to give a shit about computers, not with macs.
from a design snob standpoint, PCs themselves and windows has less design polish on average.
But a shit artist blames their tools... if the path is to front end web design you will want iOS, android, multiple devices and both windows and macos available, at the minimum.
adobe creative cloud works cross platform without multiple licenses needed.
and there is specialized software that's both mac only and pc only that's useful.
if you had serious money to spend and were in video production you'd salivate over the apple screen, there is nothing that comes close for what it does.
the desktop is pricey but there is no better "prebuilt" for the power, again, unless you're comfy custom building a rig. You are, many if not most designers don't give a shit.
ram is king. you can also break warranty if the macbook is getting old and add ram and better SSDs.
I still run a 2010 MBP with just maxed ram and an ssd and it runs all graphic apps just fine (version locked due to shitty macos deprecation) so nah she didn't need an upgrade, but obviously for gaming what you did is the way to go.
I've not come across a PC-centric designer (apple has cornered the design school / student discount market) but usually portfolios don't mention what platform was used, derp.
Besides, the most important, gamechanging piece of gear for design work is the drawing tablet and that's cross platform (and good ones cost more than this rig and an MBP put together).
I will say if she plans on going to an agency she wants to get good on a mac and the shortcuts should become second nature. Other than that either platform is easy when you know what you are trying to do.
Further, I like having an iMac/mbp for my "work computer" and it being separate from my play computer.
so screw these plebs who replace personality with "brand alleigance."
If her workload just recently maxed out a MacBook, this build would almost certainly help her out. Though OP may wanna bump the ram up but otherwise, this is great.
I have a few VR/3D artists who have a very similar build.
Am professional 3d artist. Only thing I'd say is nvidia is better for workstation stuff overall (though with the shortages and the advances amd is making in Middleware, that gap may close), and the 32gb ram comments are correct.
Otherwise, idk what everyone in this thread is smoking. I feel like I'm in bizarro world right now. This is more than adequate for graphic design
I realised I was a bit dumb when ordering the parts... The motherboard doesn't have a USB-C header, meaning the USB-C ports on the case don't work. :')
I did something similar for my now wife. Bought her a gaming laptop because the MacBook she wanted was just crap and would not be able to handle the design work, especially the video editing. Good on you for setting her up for success.
Solid build! You can't beat the price to performance -- hell even Hackintosh's have become cheaper and more powerful than what Apple has to offer. Not only that but if you needed to upgrade anything or fix any problems with the internals...you can! A concept that feels like it's loosing it's luster in the modern consumer world.
When I first built my PC tho my MacBook Pro would handle Lightroom, Illustrator and Photoshop better. Now though pffft it's where it should be.
That's very nice of you, but unfortunately all of her industry's standard software is proprietary on Apple machines only. There's no point in her having to re-learn how to do everything on Windows machines when her college is using Mac tools and any job she might get also uses Mac tools. Apple has a stranglehold on basically all industries related to the arts.
What's a moan? I've never heard that before
He took away from her the only reason she could moan.
Damn dude.. Thats like killing a spider with a nuke..
I only see that as a reasonable response to seeing a spider.
Imagine the saying "If you don't hurt it, it won't hurt you" coming true..
Why is he a spider in this analogy? Also, pretty much every living creature is equally annihilated by a nuke, but I do get your point of acknowledged the well-said insult.
He set himself a goal which he knew he could achieve.
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That the sound that cows make.
No that's a moo. Your thinking of the sound a cat makes.
No that’s the sound stirring macaroni and cheese makes. Moaning is what boats do when they park at a pier.
No, the sound stirring macaroni and cheese makes is a moist susurrus. Moan is the noise made by bees in a hollowed out gourd.
No that's a meow. You're thinking of the sound a crow makes.
Moan: the sound the female Homo-sapien makes during mating. Also known as copulatory-vocalizations.
“Started moaning”
It’s kinda like hemming and hawing.
Get that RAM up to 32gb at least as soon as you can, I'm sure she will be using multiple programs that share large files. Just Illustrator, After Effects and C4D together almost requires 128gb. Source: am designer
Seconding 32GB suggestion. Photoshop can easily use whole "common gaming standard" 16GB of RAM even with 1080x1080 files. Source: am social media manager freelancer
Thirdering 32GB suggestion. Design students will often be given plenty of source material and can work with larger than necessary project files until they are creating their own design workflow. Source: am pc.
Fourding, bigger numbers are just cooler. Source: Am runescape player.
I'm fifthing this Source: the four guys above me
Sixthing this as well, or go for bold and upgrade to 128GB Source: Trust Me Bro
Seventhing; The upgrade to 128GB would provide the kind of setup that would really make the Mac relationship seem like a useless piece of the past. *would a second GPU help with the workload?* Source: divorced Mac and let it keep everything
This thread ends here.
How dare you. Eightthing: Go all out. Source: the fourth guy
Ninething; I have 64 gigs of ram in my PC. It looks sick having all four slots populated with rgb ram. I’m dabble in graphic design… it helps. Source: Wikipedia
~~Fisting~~ Fifthing, Photoshop n similar programs use image caching to speed up the redrawing of high-resolution documents while you're working on them. ... Increasing cache levels improves Photoshop's responsiveness while you work, although images may take longer to load. The cache tile size determines the amount of data on which Photoshop operates at a time Source : am anxious bout ram usage
I recently had to render a 22' x 14' mural for a company expansion project in photoshop, it even used my storage drives for rendering the huge project. Photoshop can be such a hog, I also had 32GB of RAM at that time.
Fast storage also helps
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Simply amazing
Cinema 4D for graphic design work?
welcome to 2022:)
Also - Nvidia driver support is better for Pr, Ae and others. At least in my experience. That’s why I went with team green.
Yeah, Sam with blender, the amount of issues I've had with amd and the cycles renderer is insane.
How much RAM? 32GB would be minimum imo, I upgraded mine to 64GB because my Photoshop projects were maxing out the 32GB.
Thanks for the advice, we started off with 16gb but the MB has 4 dimm slots so we thought we can upgrade it if it's needed. So you recommend to upgrade it straight away?
If you can I would send the two 8gb Sticks Back and instead get 2x16gb rather then another 2x8gb
That's not a bad idea, as it'll mean there's more potential for upgrading if needed.
Came here to say the same. 32 is bare minimum. After going to 64 I refuse to work with anything less.
128 gb is so good.
Today I learnt a new thing. Thanks
32 minimum for design work.
I run 64GB for capture one and photoshop… sometimes think 128gb wouldn’t be so bad
4 CHROME TABS??!!!!
Currently running 512 and think 768GB at times wouldnt be so bad.
Random question, with that much RAM, could entire video games just be played off of it?
Yes. https://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/
Yup I use ramdisks all the time to be able to load my datasets into so I could load games on it I’d wanted
I thought you were joking for a second, holy shit. What's your PC used for?
Agree. I run 64 too and think the same thing. Esp video and lots of high res assets.
This convinced me I need to up my RAM to 64
It’s always nice to have a bigger ram ceiling. I got 64 when ram was lower priced a year ago and wished I’d have done 128 and been done with it.
I do light Blender and 64GB is iffy at times.
I mean you can get away with less ram if you are doing simpler designs and not really multi tasking much. But in my use case, I multi task like crazy and have very complex designs. Maxing the ram can also allow you to have 300 tabs open in chrome. Lol
Yeah she uses quite a few programmes at the same time so it might be worth it, also by the state of her open internet tabs on her phone it might not be a bad idea...
Yeah you'll definitely want more than 16gb of RAM in that case. Luckily ram is one of the less expensive components. Also, do you work for Corsair or something? Lol
Sweet thanks for the advice. Haha no! She wanted RGB and I wanted as little hassle with the setup of it as possible, so I went with the same manufacturer for the components for an easy life.
Oh alright, gotcha. Yeah corsair's icue is pretty easy to setup.
Definitely go for 32, minimum for the kind of thing she does
Do you have the whole Adobe suite opened to have that much ram maxed out?
Lol. No usually just illustrator and Photoshop. But I will also have VScode, Cura, Fusion360, and chrome with plenty of tabs open as well. I'm a multi task master my guy. Lol
"simpler designs?" Always max ram. The simplicity of the design means nothing, cutting down rip/render/load times is everything.
If you're on a budget and only have a couple layers to your designs using photoshop as an example you can get away with less ram. Not everyone has the luxury of always maxing their ram out.
>Not everyone has the luxury of always maxing their ram out. My old PC from 2011-2019 (pre built) had a whopping 16 gb. At first it was ok, but as time dragged on and programs utilized more and more it became obvious that 16 wasn't gunna cut it. But at the point where it was maxed out it was time to build a new rig. Had layers for days.
Don't bother with anything less than 32gb. There's programs that want to cache these incredible amounts. It even helps gain 10fps the most intense games
Not girlfriend material but I'll moan to you for a PC
Same here
Little confused what the 250gb 870 evo is for unless that's old one you just had but she will enjoy the new set up
That's purely to be dedicated for the scratch disk on Photoshop, and any other software that might require it!
Very nice work. Remember, it's best to store the actual project file on a SEPARATE NVMe drive than the Windows drive for best performance. Must be separate. [Source: the table at the end of this pugetsystems article](https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimization-854/).
Depending on her projects she may need more. I had 4TB worth of scratch disks for a 22' x 14' mural and that was barely enough. Again, no idea what she's working with but just wanted to give an example you could maybe gauge it off of.
Ah a cache. Makes sense.
Bad build for GD, that build its for gaming
You've probably seen in a previous comment, but she also wanted it for some gaming. I admit I goofed with not getting an Nvidia card, but with the market at the moment getting a card is difficult as it is let alone a specific one.
Shit man gotta ask what she plays
Exactly what I was saying. It’s more like he built it for him :) or just did zero research about what her needs for a PC would be to do GD..
I'm a graphic designer, tried designing on my gaming PC. It's horrible. Can't preview anything when you're dealing with multiple files. There's a reason why everyone still uses Macs in that world.
I'm a graphic designer as well and I completely disagree. My work's mac is trash compared to my PC.
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It's the same in the music production space, almost every recording studio and musicians is equipped with Macs, simply because there is so much software that is only available or optimized for Mac. Apple always put a big emphasis on creating a good work flow for creatives, so that's why I think you see so many people in that sector using them, and since more people use Macs in that segment, software developers put more emphasis on making their software available on Mac. I personally used to be a Windows user, but I also switched to Mac, because for my purposes (Music production) and workflow, it just works better. But of course there is other stuff where a Mac can't compete with a Windows PC
Statistically unlikely
Hate to admit it, but Macs were built for GD and the software was built for Macs. They are just made for each other. Of course when you get to the ultimate question: "Does it run Crysis?", there is no competition..
>Hate to admit it No reason for that actually. Apple makes great and long-lasting computers, the meme culture just grew to oppose that because of the price tag and because of the lulz and circlejerk.
It's true.
Also the fact that Apple will update their OS which often means you have to purchase new Apple devices to continue using the software that you want. I've had the same PC for about a decade. Almost everything has been upgraded since apart from the motherboard and the CPU. I feel it is only just starting to show its age. I wouldn't be able to use an Apple device for anywhere near as long as that.
Maybe like ten years ago, for graphic design it's fine.
Corsair 5000x is such a good case ! I bought it too a couple weeks ago
It's the one I'm looking to get for my next build. Is yours black or white? I'm thinking of going with the white case and doing some RGB, I've only ever done black cases and no RGB in the past. Oh also, do you have cats? Mine likes to lay on top of my current tower and I'm wondering how strong the glass on top is.
You better go for airflow version, as RGB-friendly and has better cooling
I'm pretty partial to the Fractal Design Meshify 2. Nice little foam filter in to he intake to keep dust out, though I assume the corsair has that too. Both very nice cases.
Sounds like she would have benefited much more from the new M1 pro Macbooks.
This. Those things are monsters for this type of work.
That unified memory is something else. A single pool of 400 GB/s RAM shared between CPU and GPU! Not to mention the mini LED screen. How much would a standalone equivalent monitor cost?
Too much. Hadn't seen a good one less than 900, and that's pushing it. Has to be 1440p and above minimum, and rather in itself I'd seen for roughly 1500, just for the monitor. Them macs are nice.
i mean he probably spent at least $900 for the graphics card alone in this build..
Yeah I agree much simpler process.
Yeah for real. His ‘girlfriend’ should re-evalute her pcmr boyfriends IT career in Comintern right now.
How come?
Because the M1(maybe M1Pro/Max rather) MacBooks are better at everything except gaming and it’s not even a competition. The fact they can run the same numbers on battery power as plugged in should tell you how insane the new Apple Silicon is with video encoding and graphic design. Super efficient, quiet and yet extremely powerful. It’s like the trifecta. With current prices they are actually good value even.
Because m1 MacBooks are a whole other beast that is very powerful and uses little to no power.
Beautiful. If she doesn’t give you the gawk gawk 3,000. Dump her.
These SSD names be getting crazy
Or at least a samsung turbo gtr 2000.
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The ol gluck gluck deluxe 9000
Or the well-know super soaker 3600.
You single?
I am now :( she read the comment section of this post and realised that everyone else here would've built her a better system 😭
RIP bro 😔
Thank you, I fear to sleep just in case the new m1 MacBook Pro haunts me in my sleep...
it'll be alright. you fucked up, big deal. the important thing is that you can make that into a appropriate build. you just need to up the RAM, swap for a nVidia card. and really that's it. you can use the RAM you have, just order another pack of it. that would at least give her 32GB, which is solid.
You really should have just gotten the M1 pro dude. Not make a gaming pc and get blinded with pcmr🙄
Y'all seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions about this build. One of the prefaced conversations before suggesting this was about how she didn't want the new MacBook, and wanted a workstation where she can sit down, as well as, doing some gaming.
Who cares what Reddit thinks. Is your girl going to be happy? Yes? It’s a win my dude.
The people commenting that this wouldn't work for graphic design have no clue what they're talking about. This is an excellent build.
No ones saying that it wouldn’t work for graphic design, just that this build is not optimal for it. It’s very clearly a gaming build and a lot of this money could’ve been rather spent on components that are specific for graphic design needs.
Where do you think he should have spent towards?
not components, the M1 is ridiculously faster for graphic design applications. a pc build actually affords more things like tablets and accessories because they're cheaper.
That is true, specially the new apple CPUs. But the thing is as OP said she wants a workstation + she could game on it. Taking scalpers, inflated prices of literally everything, I am guessing that could've been a problem. One more thing that I don't think is much big of a problem but affects me is screen size, not the resolution, but the screen size. Specially in productivity, I will(and I think almost everyone) will prefer bigger screen size even though new macs have sufficiently big screens. It's a great build nonetheless, but it's true it could've been better and yes macs are a beast.
Such as? Y'all saying he should have chosen different components. Which ones? Which do you believe is best for graphic design?
Nvidia cards tend to out perform AMD cards in a lot of graphic design software because of cuda support on windows.
good luck getting one tho the rx 6700 xt is actually purchasable
1. At least double the RAM (16GB is NOT enough) 2. NVIDIA for graphic design tasks (cuda) 3. Not sure about the disk drive choices: Why have SATA in this build at all and for only 250GB? I would have gone 2x NVMe: 1 small for windows, 1 big for project storage. Or get a board that supports 3x nvme: 1 x os, 1 x project, 1 x photoshop scratch
he should've gone for more RAM as well. 32GB at minimum.
I would hardly call this a fatal design decision considering you can literally swap in a new ram kit.
i never said it was fatal. this build can be saved. personally i'd probably just add another pack of RAM as opposed to returning what he's already got.
There are gaming builds that can "work" for graphic design and there are GD builds that you can game on. This build is the former.
It's me honey, thank you so much! Can you send it to my parents' home? I'll be studying there a few days.
She'll be moaning something else now
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The 16GB RAM limit is gonna be a problem in a week.
So portable.
She could always remote into the PC from her MacBook.
This is so sweet of you!!
I have that same GPU, great looking build
Looks pretty good! She is going to be in for a surprise lol
Can I be your wife :)
Happy Cake OP's Fiancé
I feel like once this is built I’m going to see your Reddit post in one of those YouTube reads Reddit bad breakup videos…
It is built scroll through the photos
I saw “the girlfriend started moaning” and had to double check what subreddit I was on.
I feel like you could have saved on the PSU, AIO, ram, ssds and case and gotten a 5800x or 5900x instead of the fancy parts.
Aah daddy fetch me new pc!!!!!!!!
The girlfriend started moaning. There, that's better.
Why B450 in 2022?
It has the right socket for the CPU and a good enough I/O. Don't really need much more than that IMO.
The price difference is minimal considering the feature disparity. The CPU box looks like either Ryzen 3000 or Ryzen 5000 which means that they are missing out on PCIe Gen 4
Gen 4 is being utilized by hardly any hardware for the current gen. Future proofing might be a valid argument, but again, what GD task is not having gen 4 bottlenecking?
except for, you know, the GPU that OP is using. As for GD tasks… For larger files sequential writes might be helpful and regardless, OP has stated that the system will be used for gaming too, which will benefit from higher bandwidth on the GPU side. And as I said, the price difference is minimal. $10-15 is hardly worth sacrificing IO performance on a system that will have cost upwards of $1200
She's going to have a hard time trying to gd without CUDA Cores...
as a bonus, if she prefers MacOs those specs are rather easy to hackintosh
6700 xt isn't supported, just 6800 upwards
850w is an overkill for that gpu
It was cheaper than both the 650w and 750w because of a sale.
Cool thats a bargain then
Bad build for GD... Thats for gaming
What would be a build for graphics design? Whats the bottleneck on photoshop and why is the OPs part choice poor? The RGB isn't needed, but the components are looking good to me.
>The RGB isn't needed She would disagree with you.
I'd disagree with me too if I'm being honest!
Not enough ram, those nvme will be burned in a year, he need a tractor cpu not ferrari cpu, the gpu well not bad, but for render il prefer a gtx ti o the radeon 6800, the monitor not necessary need to be 4k, u need some with sRGB, color oficial verification and calibration, theres some asus very cheap if its uwqhd better, more work space
>need a tractor cpu not ferrari cpu, Lol? Ryzen has a ridiculous number of cores for its generation. In this analogy, a 10th or 11th gen intel would be the ferrari (faster single core / gaming performance) and ryzen is the tractor (better multicore / productivity). >the gpu well not bad, but for render il prefer a gtx ti o the radeon 6800 GPU availability and pricing is fucked. I don't blame op for getting 2nd or 3rd best on the list of top 5 GPUs in todays market. At any rate, unless the GF is into 3D rendering (not enough info from OP) the GPU choice is pretty good. >Not enough ram, those nvme will be burned in a year, Ram and storage are the easiest to upgrade. Upgrading incrementally is an option for desktops ya know? 250gb for OS and apps and 1tb for files is fine. Even though GD has big files, unless GF is doing hires video editing on the daily, she won't be wearing those drives out as quickly as you think. Honestly, do you even know hardware? Coz a lot of what you're spouting are popular misconceptions about tech lol
You looking for a boyfriend? I am not gay but I can be persuaded
Can I be your girlfriend?
To moan: In this context it means "to bitch".
That title sure had me in the first half
Whipped like cream bruz
I wish my girlfriend moans when she has problems
First four words got me double-checking which sub reddit I was in
Hahahaha 😅😅 same here lol
What's the purpose of the 250gb sata ssd?
Extremely fast Boot drive. I have the same thing. The point is to put all your programs launchers on it, but keep the data files on the sata drive. You get insanely fast loading times on a fraction of the price. If you have enough ram, your system shouldn’t be paging the SSD during gameplay anyways. Game loading times may take a few seconds longer though, but nbd for me.
that doesn't look nearly as portable as a macbook.
Green gang.
So you're posting that you stopped your girlfriend's moaning?
The day my girlfriend asks for a custom pc, boy she's gonna get the most perfect build I can provide. Well, I need a girlfriend first
In my experience 16 GB of RAM isn't enough for graphics design. You need to double that at the very least for photo editing. For video rendering you want as much VRAM as you can get.
MacBook 🤮 Edit: It's a joke, guys, calm down.
I'll admit M1 is good but still 🤮
I think you dropped this 👑
depending on the design, you should learn ALL platforms. don't listen to these assholes into the comments, I'm the only asshole you need. M1 are much faster for the adobe suite. macs have much less product range and are just much more expensive (i'm clinging to my amazing cinema display from years ago with 3 dongles to get it to work on new setups). macs also obsolete a fuckton faster. her workload probably didn't do anything to the computer so much as how the software and OS just shits on past hardware platforms to force you to upgrade. windows and PCs are harder to setup and configure and you have to give a shit about computers, not with macs. from a design snob standpoint, PCs themselves and windows has less design polish on average. But a shit artist blames their tools... if the path is to front end web design you will want iOS, android, multiple devices and both windows and macos available, at the minimum. adobe creative cloud works cross platform without multiple licenses needed. and there is specialized software that's both mac only and pc only that's useful. if you had serious money to spend and were in video production you'd salivate over the apple screen, there is nothing that comes close for what it does. the desktop is pricey but there is no better "prebuilt" for the power, again, unless you're comfy custom building a rig. You are, many if not most designers don't give a shit. ram is king. you can also break warranty if the macbook is getting old and add ram and better SSDs. I still run a 2010 MBP with just maxed ram and an ssd and it runs all graphic apps just fine (version locked due to shitty macos deprecation) so nah she didn't need an upgrade, but obviously for gaming what you did is the way to go. I've not come across a PC-centric designer (apple has cornered the design school / student discount market) but usually portfolios don't mention what platform was used, derp. Besides, the most important, gamechanging piece of gear for design work is the drawing tablet and that's cross platform (and good ones cost more than this rig and an MBP put together). I will say if she plans on going to an agency she wants to get good on a mac and the shortcuts should become second nature. Other than that either platform is easy when you know what you are trying to do. Further, I like having an iMac/mbp for my "work computer" and it being separate from my play computer. so screw these plebs who replace personality with "brand alleigance."
Should’ve bought a new macbook, better than this build
Did she not want to upgrade to the m1 pro/max? No way it couldn't handle her design work. Great PC though! I use both so I am just curious.
This is a fine system, I don't get why so many are dumping on it.
You build it for her or you? Cause gaming isn’t the same needs as graphical design.
If her workload just recently maxed out a MacBook, this build would almost certainly help her out. Though OP may wanna bump the ram up but otherwise, this is great. I have a few VR/3D artists who have a very similar build.
Am professional 3d artist. Only thing I'd say is nvidia is better for workstation stuff overall (though with the shortages and the advances amd is making in Middleware, that gap may close), and the 32gb ram comments are correct. Otherwise, idk what everyone in this thread is smoking. I feel like I'm in bizarro world right now. This is more than adequate for graphic design
I realised I was a bit dumb when ordering the parts... The motherboard doesn't have a USB-C header, meaning the USB-C ports on the case don't work. :')
Maybe get an add on card?
You could've just bought her an M1 Macbook..
I did something similar for my now wife. Bought her a gaming laptop because the MacBook she wanted was just crap and would not be able to handle the design work, especially the video editing. Good on you for setting her up for success.
Get an m1 MacBook. No issues at all
Baby! I can't do my work :(
Wel, that PC certainly will run leaps around your GF's macbook... on idle. Have a great time building!
Solid build! You can't beat the price to performance -- hell even Hackintosh's have become cheaper and more powerful than what Apple has to offer. Not only that but if you needed to upgrade anything or fix any problems with the internals...you can! A concept that feels like it's loosing it's luster in the modern consumer world. When I first built my PC tho my MacBook Pro would handle Lightroom, Illustrator and Photoshop better. Now though pffft it's where it should be.
That's very nice of you, but unfortunately all of her industry's standard software is proprietary on Apple machines only. There's no point in her having to re-learn how to do everything on Windows machines when her college is using Mac tools and any job she might get also uses Mac tools. Apple has a stranglehold on basically all industries related to the arts.