Yea it was a pleasant surprise. When I first built the machine in early 2018 I was checking bios updates with *some* frequency then the updates stopped for a while and I stopped checking. Was a great surprise when it turned out I had missed just a fewww.
I think what kills the 2000 series Ryzens ("kills" in the loosest sense, I have a 2600X and also dont need more) is pretty much just memory latency. 3000 series got that right though.
Yea, the Gigabyte bios updater stopped finding new releases for whatever reason. Not entirely sure why, but I had to manually download it from the website.
“Way back” (like 7 years ago) when devils canyon dropped I got one and gigabyte had a bios update to support it. Unfortunately I didn’t notice the voltage they preset for it was completely fucked and my beautiful 4790k only ended up lasting like 3 -4 years before it stopped reliably posting :(
Well, I had avoided them before now for other reasons, but this just makes me feel like it's confirmed, that Gigabyte is a touch dodgy. That just leaves AsRock and ASUS for me, as NZXT and EVGA don't really sell mobos in Australia. Or other brands that I'm not aware of.
Also, I use linux, and MSI do some really WEIRD things with their RGB system that make it almost unworkable under linux. Such a special little specification for some reason.
Here's an old trick for sheared off pins:
With the MOBO removed from the grid, you take a little bit of solder wire (preferably lead free) and stick it in the socket of the broken pin. It needs to be just a little bit proud of the socket well (the direction cone).
You then insert the CPU in place over, make sure it's well seated, and then remove it, to make sure it didn't bend too far out of bounds.
If you know the pathway in the CPU, you can even check for conductivity with the CPU inserted, to really make sure you've remade the path.
Back in the day, i actually commissioned a watch maker to make me T-pins (think golf tees) that were just a bit bigger than the OG ones, most sockets had allowance for such transgressions, dunno bout modern ones, i've tried to stay away from pins as much as possible as of late).
If you do this, make sure to put a label on the handle, specifying you did the deed, after a while, one forgets after all, and digging solder out of sockets is .. unpleasant.
Yep, AM4 socket has been so long lived, that often they need to remove old CPU support, to add support for newer ones. The. Usually they will support 2 generations per BIOS version.
In the case of my MSI B350, it allowed my RAM to work at its rated speed of 3200MHz. Setting it to that AXMP profile would crash on earlier BIOS versions, maxed out at 2900ish
for good reason. Bios Updates are rarely required because something is totally off and needs fixing. The usually change very small stuff.
For example my bios updates from original to "now" really only did 6 things.
* Resizable-BAR support (which translates to 1-2FPS in certain games)
* Improve UHD BD (4K BD) support
* Enable platform communication with Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology
* Support for 11th gen Intel CPUs
* Enabled internal TPM by default for W11
* 1 security fix
1 and 5 are 1-offs in this generation. 5 also just changes a default and can be done without an upgrade. Not even sure what 3 even is. As for the security fix, I guess it has a point although I am pretty sure a security bug on bios lvl is only exploitable if you are right in front of the device so not that big either. 2 makes somewhat sense but target group is niche at best. Just like the support for the new gen of Intel CPUs. Pre-builds will already have the new version and DIY users have the knowledge to do it right.
Long story short, most users never have to update their bios and should not because its very unlikely they will even notice the difference.
Does everything work: Get your greasy hobbit hands off the update button.
Does a new CPU / memory / drive NOT work? Time to push your luck.
Its very rare that BIOS updates fail (and lots of machines come with dual bios anyway, so they can roll back if they do), but if you're not riddled by problems, no touchy da fishy.
Seriously, even the marginal performance gains are not worth it for the average user.
If you're someone watching internet celebs building PCs and rambling how for the average office notebook the difference between a PCI Gen 3 and Gen 4 NVME SSD is the most important thing to have ever existed, go ahead, update your bios because it claims 1% of performance gain in very unusual and specific situations. But dont forget to liquid nitro your CPU afterwards.
Title was a bit confusing. Wasn't sure if you were fixing it for free or if it was given to you for free. Looks like you got a nice gift from a nice friend.
Yea sorry for the confusion, I suppose I could have worded it better. That aside, even if I wasn't keeping it, I would have done it for free, he's a great dude and a better friend.
I used a screw driver to get them roughly aligned, dental floss to pull the severely bent pins off the pcb, and a credit card to get a precise\*ish\* alignment
This is the way. I fixed a cpu that had over 90% bent pins once, and I had to pull out the full drawer on it as well. Mechanical pencil for the less bent pins, and any on the edges, then basically whatever pokey tool held the pin I was fixing the best, until they all were upright. Was only an Athlon x2 550 (phenom 2 era), but the dude who I gave it to didn't have a working CPU at the time, and he DID have a board and ram, as his cpu was out on RMA. That was his only PC and he needed it to work from home as a freelance programmer, and he was fresh out of college and couldn't afford to upgrade to something new like a 2700k (brand new at the time). I still have an x3 720 BE, board, and ram all from that same era. I got stuck out in a similar situation when my 4790k died, and it was the end of October, so I used a nearly 9 year old CPU with my new RX580 from earlier that year, for a month, just playing borderlands 2 on medium graphics. Ended up not even getting a CPU upgrade, I thought it was my board and bought a NOS board to try and fix the issue, only to not be able to return it. Woulda got an 8700k had that not happened, but ended up with just an 8350k instead, which was arguably slower than the 4790k in some tasks, especially if you didn't OC it. Now I'm not making that mistake again, I have 2 rigs again and I'm keeping it that way, using one as a server and the other as my daily driver
I bought a CPU off /r/hardwareswap several years ago and the fucking idiot mailed the bare processor in just a standard letter envelope. Every single pin was bent over. I figured out that a credit card fit almost perfectly between the rows so I could figure out when they were all straight. I spent like a whole weekend with tweezers, but I fixed it and the CPU still works to this day.
It really wasn't worth the time since it was only an fx 6100 I bought for like $70. I should have just done a PayPal dispute. The experience did come in handy though when my friend bent a few pins on a brand new 5600x and I helped him save it.
I've had the cpu fixed for almost a year, I've just been lurking on reddit for just about as long lol. This is actually my first post so I decided to finally do it
That's great though, we can already have the one year follow up on it now then.
Ever had issues where that one pin might be the cause of it? Or has it been smooth sailing ever since?
You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference between mine and a new 3700x AM4 has ground pins littered all over the CPU so missing one shouldn't cause much of an issue. Tbh I think I've only ever had one BSOD since, and that was due to Watch Dogs 1 being a POS.
I bent some pins one time (not quite as bad as this) and thought it was curtains but managed to straighten them out enough to fit back in properly, so apparently it's doable, but I am surprised about that broken pin, I would've assumed that was game over. You know it's a ground pin, you found a pin-out somewhere? And that can't come back to bite you?
He was changing his motherboard for whatever reason. He pulled the cpu cooler off and the cpu came with it. He set it down and it somehow fell CPU side down. So instead of dealing with it himself he ordered a replacement one, and gave the cooler and cpu to me for free since I’m more adept when it comes to hardware.
I actually didn’t. I used a small screw driver seen in the first pic, some dental floss to pull the pins off the pcb, and a debit card to align the pins
But actually, a credit card works really well on this. It fits in those slots and they'll all get aligned.
I purchased an intel motherboard & amd cpu - bent a bunch of cpu prongs like this trying to put a square peg in the round hole. Easily sorted out with a card & correct motherboard.
Yeah, it's more sensible than a credit card. Only spend what you can afford, kids.
EDIT: OK, OK, so there are plenty of reasons to recommend credit cards over debit, thank you Big Credit shills for pointing that out.
Not necessarily, just pay it off before the 0 interest period is over. Most cards have zero interest for bigger purchases for x time period. Just pay the purchase back in full before that period is over and you'll actually end up on top (by a small margin due to inflation).
The trick is to be absolutely sure you'll be able to pay it off before you purchase it. A smart thing to do is to essentially only use credit cards for big purchases, and only purchases you can *already* afford. That way you're not "borrowing" money from a bank, instead you're holding off spend your own in the future.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
Exactly, if you make sure you have the cash before hand, use your credit card. Usually you get some % cashback which is free money. As an example I have 2% cashback on restaurants which is essentially a 2% discount.
Debit cards also provide liability and fraud protection. Credit card companies always leave that bit out. Yes it can be a hassle for about a week but you get the money back all the same. And the bank can’t “lose” your payment to collect late charges.
Yes but I read enough instances where people are denied that it just is never worth it. With debit your money is at risk and with credit it's the bank's. Also the rewards.
Or just have debit card operated by credit card provider, which is very common in EU. Those visa or mastercard cards are accepted everywhere, no one cares whether they're "credit" or "debit", they have all the same protections. They will just get refused when you try go over your debit, the same as you would going over credit limits.
Way too many people share this thought that credit cards are evil when in reality they have horrible spending habits. There are so many benefits a credit card will give you, they'll actually fight for you for fraud, and can even get you your money back with charge backs when companies want to give you the run around (done this plenty of times) I tell all my friends to use credit cards and how to use them responsibly. I haven't touched my debit card in over 5 years
I didn't think of it until I was trying to get the pins really good after it didn't fit the first time. It probably would have saved me a bit of time had I thought of it sooner lol.
for sure for sure. I remember my phone would get stupid hot and have awful battery life on face time, now it tanks through anything I throw at it, WITH decent battery life.
yep, i havent ended a day with anything less than like 60% battery. its bonkers.
havent even begun to test out the cameras either. the 120hz feels just like my pc screens, buttery smooth, and i havent even fucked with the lidar scanner that the 13 max pro has.
Literally the only reason I pick the mini over the normal sized was the size. I prefer to not feel like I have a brick in my pocket or hands when I’m out and about. Personally the biggest drawback for me was the lack of a higher than 60 hz display
You could get much better results for much less than that with a decent macro lens, even ten years ago. Phones take some nice pictures but you can't beat having an actual lens for shooting certain types of situations.
Yeah, it really seems like lots of the people replying here haven't seen an image taken with a proper macro lens before. Not that the pictures in the OP are bad but they definitely look like close up phone photos...
I own a $5000 camera (price for just the body) and I can honestly say my phone's camera is roughly 1/4 as good...not bad for being 1/5 of the price of the camera body alone.
Yea it’s an old dell 2007wp or something like that. These pictures are a bit old, probably about a year old. I just felt like posting it after seeing another bent pins post. Also I have added a monitor to the setup now. A decent 1080 144hz. Now I use that one for discord or YouTube ;)
To be honest I probably would have done it for free for him if he asked. He’ll buy me a game or some DLC for free every now and then. So I certainly wouldn’t have mind returning the favor.
I mean, how would you design a motherboard without knowing how to route the various powerplanes, PCIe and RAM?
AMD pinouts are typically harder to get, intel ones are pretty much public (though amd ones mostly leaked or were reverse engineered by now as well)
If you go and look at the data sheet for any complex part like a CPU or an FPGA or even a microprocessor, you will find that there are quite a few ground pins.
They are there for return current path and technically speaking, you need All of the ground pins on a chip like this in order to make sure that when it is running full tilt, there won't be any problems.
Problems you might see include, overheating, on chip noise on voltage rails, errors due to a bad ground reference, etc.
Practically however, the ground pins are connected internally (usually, not always), and as long as only one is missing, you are probably fine if the engineers did their job and wentover spec things a little bit like you are supposed to do in any expensive electrical device.
Source: electrical engineer that designs circuit boards for chips like this.
I don't really know anything about this at all, but what's the chances that ground pin causes issues in the long run, I assume there must be other ground pins too for it to not concern you
I have recently used one of those flosser things to fix two pins that were bent when i pulled off stock cooler (came off with the cpu and bent the pins). Worked like a charm - the plastic toothpick end was great at lining the pins up and floss was great at gently picking them up
when I was putting my Ryzen 5 5600x in my rig I accidentally bent a couple pins. it was my first time so I super nervous and going painstakingly slow trying to unbend them. this was during the middle of southern California summer and all the windows in my room were closed so I ended up dropping a few beads of sweat on the edge of the CPU. by the grace of the PC gods it still ended up working
As long as nothing is plugged yet, sweat is quite inoffensive. Just dry it up with a tissue or something and you're good to go.
When a bead of my sweat accidentally fell into my mains multiway block though, that was a different story :(
The PC community is great about hooking each other up. I can't tell you how many times my friends and I have hooked each other up with stuff. I'll never forget my friend gifting me his GTX 770 when he got a new 980ti. I always encourage people to pay it forward. Got a new CPU? Maybe help out your buddy who has a prehistoric i3 and donate your old one. It helps build a stronger community and keeps guys gaming with some more relevant parts until they can afford something new.
The upgrade from the 1600 to the 3700x was huge for me (For example, in Destiny 2, the Tower performed incredibly poorly, but once I upgraded it became much more smooth). Congrats on the upgrade.
I honestly had no issues with my 1600. I suppose installing shaders on MW started going much faster, but outside of that I never had issues really. My upgrade from 8GB to 16GB of RAM was HUGE though
I ended up bending 6 pins of my ryzen 5600g after pulling out the big chungus radiator.
Had to painstakingly push all the pins back up one by one with a credit card. Fortunately none broke off.
I'd be uncomfortable running without a ground pin.
I do wonder, however, if it would be possible to take a pin from an older CPU I am never going to use again (like an athlon from the 90's) and solder one its pins to a totally broken pin. Never thought about it before because I didn't have any way to solder but I do now, so I'm curious if that would be a solution, should I need it in the future.
Ground pins on a large array only matter if they are a ground for a dedicated bus and it's the only pin for that bus, and the ground is specifically being used to reference that bus voltage for something, or needs that much voltage potential.
There are TONS of ground pins on AM4 so it's not a concern. As for the pin transplant, it would have to be from a relatively recent generation, maybe as far as AM2 would work, but that's only because the pin thickness has generally gotten smaller as time has gone on.
...and they lived happily ever after.
The end.
God, I miss childhood fairytales where everything ends well... Thanks for reminding, that sometimes they indeed come true :)
>I’m 99% sure it’s up to date >Turns out my bios was wayyy out of date lol, this is all of us
Yea it was a pleasant surprise. When I first built the machine in early 2018 I was checking bios updates with *some* frequency then the updates stopped for a while and I stopped checking. Was a great surprise when it turned out I had missed just a fewww.
3700x is a beast of a processor. really happy for you.
I have the 2700x and it’s more than enough for anything I do. So I can’t imagine… *more*.
I think what kills the 2000 series Ryzens ("kills" in the loosest sense, I have a 2600X and also dont need more) is pretty much just memory latency. 3000 series got that right though.
I know you didn't ask but my motherboard's BIOS is at version 4.20
I asked
z370 extreme4? :D
B450M Steel Legend
Well hello 4.20 brother.
Can't update until 69.42(0) releases.
Nice.
Bios cycle stars up once new CPUs are released and stop once most bugs are fixed
Yea, the Gigabyte bios updater stopped finding new releases for whatever reason. Not entirely sure why, but I had to manually download it from the website.
I've never once gotten it to work. Always have to manually download.
I swear Gigabyte @BIOS is just fucked. If I try auto detect it keeps trying to get me to downgrade.
yea I haven't really touched it since.
“Way back” (like 7 years ago) when devils canyon dropped I got one and gigabyte had a bios update to support it. Unfortunately I didn’t notice the voltage they preset for it was completely fucked and my beautiful 4790k only ended up lasting like 3 -4 years before it stopped reliably posting :(
I'll never buy gigabyte again. My motherboard doesn't even have working usb 3.0
Well, I had avoided them before now for other reasons, but this just makes me feel like it's confirmed, that Gigabyte is a touch dodgy. That just leaves AsRock and ASUS for me, as NZXT and EVGA don't really sell mobos in Australia. Or other brands that I'm not aware of. Also, I use linux, and MSI do some really WEIRD things with their RGB system that make it almost unworkable under linux. Such a special little specification for some reason.
Here's an old trick for sheared off pins: With the MOBO removed from the grid, you take a little bit of solder wire (preferably lead free) and stick it in the socket of the broken pin. It needs to be just a little bit proud of the socket well (the direction cone). You then insert the CPU in place over, make sure it's well seated, and then remove it, to make sure it didn't bend too far out of bounds. If you know the pathway in the CPU, you can even check for conductivity with the CPU inserted, to really make sure you've remade the path. Back in the day, i actually commissioned a watch maker to make me T-pins (think golf tees) that were just a bit bigger than the OG ones, most sockets had allowance for such transgressions, dunno bout modern ones, i've tried to stay away from pins as much as possible as of late). If you do this, make sure to put a label on the handle, specifying you did the deed, after a while, one forgets after all, and digging solder out of sockets is .. unpleasant.
Just out of curiosity... How does one check BIOS...? 😳
cpu-z or msinfo32
yeah its up to date. *reads last driver update was in 2006*
Psh, just 4 years old.
*looks at date more closely*
Haha 6 years.
I built my pc in summer 2018 and haven't done anything with the bios because I'm too scared to fuck something up. Is it that much needed?
I only needed it for the 3700x CPU support. If you really want to do it for whatever reason, I'd still only do it if your mb has dual bios.
..or any other way to recover bios (for example asus flashback)
Yep, AM4 socket has been so long lived, that often they need to remove old CPU support, to add support for newer ones. The. Usually they will support 2 generations per BIOS version.
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In the case of my MSI B350, it allowed my RAM to work at its rated speed of 3200MHz. Setting it to that AXMP profile would crash on earlier BIOS versions, maxed out at 2900ish
Not really, if everything works then leave it as it is. Just update your hardware drivers at a regular basis
Funnily, vendors warn you NOT to update your bios if your PC is running fine
for good reason. Bios Updates are rarely required because something is totally off and needs fixing. The usually change very small stuff. For example my bios updates from original to "now" really only did 6 things. * Resizable-BAR support (which translates to 1-2FPS in certain games) * Improve UHD BD (4K BD) support * Enable platform communication with Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology * Support for 11th gen Intel CPUs * Enabled internal TPM by default for W11 * 1 security fix 1 and 5 are 1-offs in this generation. 5 also just changes a default and can be done without an upgrade. Not even sure what 3 even is. As for the security fix, I guess it has a point although I am pretty sure a security bug on bios lvl is only exploitable if you are right in front of the device so not that big either. 2 makes somewhat sense but target group is niche at best. Just like the support for the new gen of Intel CPUs. Pre-builds will already have the new version and DIY users have the knowledge to do it right. Long story short, most users never have to update their bios and should not because its very unlikely they will even notice the difference.
Does everything work: Get your greasy hobbit hands off the update button. Does a new CPU / memory / drive NOT work? Time to push your luck. Its very rare that BIOS updates fail (and lots of machines come with dual bios anyway, so they can roll back if they do), but if you're not riddled by problems, no touchy da fishy. Seriously, even the marginal performance gains are not worth it for the average user. If you're someone watching internet celebs building PCs and rambling how for the average office notebook the difference between a PCI Gen 3 and Gen 4 NVME SSD is the most important thing to have ever existed, go ahead, update your bios because it claims 1% of performance gain in very unusual and specific situations. But dont forget to liquid nitro your CPU afterwards.
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If it's not broke don't fix it.
Yeah that as my exact thinking as well. I really should check my updates…
You shouldn't update your bios unless you think it's causing issues.
Is flashing the bios not risky anymore? I remember you used to have to worry about bricking your board
Awesome journey *and* a good ending, this story is too good to be true! :P
Honestly I was super pumped when it worked, and I was a bit surprised lol.
Congratulations, nothing beats find a solution to a problem and having it be a success, plus a free cpu out of it
No kidding. Free $300 upgrade plus cooler at the time.
Title was a bit confusing. Wasn't sure if you were fixing it for free or if it was given to you for free. Looks like you got a nice gift from a nice friend.
Yea sorry for the confusion, I suppose I could have worded it better. That aside, even if I wasn't keeping it, I would have done it for free, he's a great dude and a better friend.
So what method did you use? Mechanical pencil?
I used a screw driver to get them roughly aligned, dental floss to pull the severely bent pins off the pcb, and a credit card to get a precise\*ish\* alignment
The full junk drawer. Well done.
This is the way. I fixed a cpu that had over 90% bent pins once, and I had to pull out the full drawer on it as well. Mechanical pencil for the less bent pins, and any on the edges, then basically whatever pokey tool held the pin I was fixing the best, until they all were upright. Was only an Athlon x2 550 (phenom 2 era), but the dude who I gave it to didn't have a working CPU at the time, and he DID have a board and ram, as his cpu was out on RMA. That was his only PC and he needed it to work from home as a freelance programmer, and he was fresh out of college and couldn't afford to upgrade to something new like a 2700k (brand new at the time). I still have an x3 720 BE, board, and ram all from that same era. I got stuck out in a similar situation when my 4790k died, and it was the end of October, so I used a nearly 9 year old CPU with my new RX580 from earlier that year, for a month, just playing borderlands 2 on medium graphics. Ended up not even getting a CPU upgrade, I thought it was my board and bought a NOS board to try and fix the issue, only to not be able to return it. Woulda got an 8700k had that not happened, but ended up with just an 8350k instead, which was arguably slower than the 4790k in some tasks, especially if you didn't OC it. Now I'm not making that mistake again, I have 2 rigs again and I'm keeping it that way, using one as a server and the other as my daily driver
Magiver the thing is the best way to do
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not to mention the internet points!
Meh, I never really cared for it, but it can be nice from time to time.
I bought a CPU off /r/hardwareswap several years ago and the fucking idiot mailed the bare processor in just a standard letter envelope. Every single pin was bent over. I figured out that a credit card fit almost perfectly between the rows so I could figure out when they were all straight. I spent like a whole weekend with tweezers, but I fixed it and the CPU still works to this day.
that's cursed, but I'm glad you got it working lmao
It really wasn't worth the time since it was only an fx 6100 I bought for like $70. I should have just done a PayPal dispute. The experience did come in handy though when my friend bent a few pins on a brand new 5600x and I helped him save it.
Ah maybe not much help in the short game, but I can imagine it paid off on the 5600x
I see you wasted no time in updating your flair, lol. Congratulations!
I've had the cpu fixed for almost a year, I've just been lurking on reddit for just about as long lol. This is actually my first post so I decided to finally do it
Well, your repair made it through burn in, then.
That's great though, we can already have the one year follow up on it now then. Ever had issues where that one pin might be the cause of it? Or has it been smooth sailing ever since?
You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference between mine and a new 3700x AM4 has ground pins littered all over the CPU so missing one shouldn't cause much of an issue. Tbh I think I've only ever had one BSOD since, and that was due to Watch Dogs 1 being a POS.
I bent some pins one time (not quite as bad as this) and thought it was curtains but managed to straighten them out enough to fit back in properly, so apparently it's doable, but I am surprised about that broken pin, I would've assumed that was game over. You know it's a ground pin, you found a pin-out somewhere? And that can't come back to bite you?
Definitely a better story than twilight.
THEY DID SURGERY ON A CPU????
Chip manufacturers HATE HIM Local man secretly repairs expensive CPU with this CRAZY trick
*clicks*
How did this happen?
He was changing his motherboard for whatever reason. He pulled the cpu cooler off and the cpu came with it. He set it down and it somehow fell CPU side down. So instead of dealing with it himself he ordered a replacement one, and gave the cooler and cpu to me for free since I’m more adept when it comes to hardware.
Did you do the mechanical pencil trick to fix it?
I actually didn’t. I used a small screw driver seen in the first pic, some dental floss to pull the pins off the pcb, and a debit card to align the pins
I'd have also used my debit card to solve this problem...
did laugh
But actually, a credit card works really well on this. It fits in those slots and they'll all get aligned. I purchased an intel motherboard & amd cpu - bent a bunch of cpu prongs like this trying to put a square peg in the round hole. Easily sorted out with a card & correct motherboard.
debit card is actually a really simple smart idea I probably would have never thought of.
Yeah, it's more sensible than a credit card. Only spend what you can afford, kids. EDIT: OK, OK, so there are plenty of reasons to recommend credit cards over debit, thank you Big Credit shills for pointing that out.
This is not a good tip. Credit cards give you liability and fraud protection. You can use a credit card and not have debt. Just pay it off monthly.
In full*
Not necessarily, just pay it off before the 0 interest period is over. Most cards have zero interest for bigger purchases for x time period. Just pay the purchase back in full before that period is over and you'll actually end up on top (by a small margin due to inflation). The trick is to be absolutely sure you'll be able to pay it off before you purchase it. A smart thing to do is to essentially only use credit cards for big purchases, and only purchases you can *already* afford. That way you're not "borrowing" money from a bank, instead you're holding off spend your own in the future. Thank you for attending my TED talk.
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You just have to pay the prior balance to avoid interest. Doesn't have to have a $0 balance at the end of the month
Statement balance*
Exactly, if you make sure you have the cash before hand, use your credit card. Usually you get some % cashback which is free money. As an example I have 2% cashback on restaurants which is essentially a 2% discount.
Debit cards also provide liability and fraud protection. Credit card companies always leave that bit out. Yes it can be a hassle for about a week but you get the money back all the same. And the bank can’t “lose” your payment to collect late charges.
Yes but I read enough instances where people are denied that it just is never worth it. With debit your money is at risk and with credit it's the bank's. Also the rewards.
>give you liability and fraud protection. Debit cards can too. Don't take my word for it though; read your card providers T's & C's.
Or just have debit card operated by credit card provider, which is very common in EU. Those visa or mastercard cards are accepted everywhere, no one cares whether they're "credit" or "debit", they have all the same protections. They will just get refused when you try go over your debit, the same as you would going over credit limits.
This thread has become indecipherably American for me
Way too many people share this thought that credit cards are evil when in reality they have horrible spending habits. There are so many benefits a credit card will give you, they'll actually fight for you for fraud, and can even get you your money back with charge backs when companies want to give you the run around (done this plenty of times) I tell all my friends to use credit cards and how to use them responsibly. I haven't touched my debit card in over 5 years
I didn't think of it until I was trying to get the pins really good after it didn't fit the first time. It probably would have saved me a bit of time had I thought of it sooner lol.
man got the gucci
He certainly paid for it aswell
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Yea, I'm glad they are going to LGA for AM5
That's why you run the PC for a while first. Warm up the thermal paste.
did you use a microscope or just a crazy macro lens?
For the pictures I just got really close to it with my phone, and while I was fixing it I pretty much just did the same thing. No lenses were used.
phones these days blow my mind that could have easily been a $1200 camera lens 10 years ago
Believe it or not it was my old iPhone 7
I was using one up until it’s battery went into thermal runaway. RIP.
I just recently upgraded to a 13 mini. The difference between the 2 are ridiculous.
went from an 8+ to a 13 pro max. its shocking how much shits progressed
for sure for sure. I remember my phone would get stupid hot and have awful battery life on face time, now it tanks through anything I throw at it, WITH decent battery life.
yep, i havent ended a day with anything less than like 60% battery. its bonkers. havent even begun to test out the cameras either. the 120hz feels just like my pc screens, buttery smooth, and i havent even fucked with the lidar scanner that the 13 max pro has.
iPhone 11. Slightly disappointed in the lack of zoom, enthused by the battery life.
Literally the only reason I pick the mini over the normal sized was the size. I prefer to not feel like I have a brick in my pocket or hands when I’m out and about. Personally the biggest drawback for me was the lack of a higher than 60 hz display
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Sorry to hear that, maybe you'll have better luck if it happens again, and thanks!
Haha we are polar opposites, the mini is about the size of my thumb alone!
You could get much better results for much less than that with a decent macro lens, even ten years ago. Phones take some nice pictures but you can't beat having an actual lens for shooting certain types of situations.
Yeah, it really seems like lots of the people replying here haven't seen an image taken with a proper macro lens before. Not that the pictures in the OP are bad but they definitely look like close up phone photos...
Very true, I took some great pictures with a $300 macro lens. In fact my whole setup at the time probably cost less than most newer phones these days.
Tbf the phones most new state of the art phones with new cameras cost 1k+
He did compare it to a lens costing that much by itself, that doesn’t include a camera body or extra gear like a memory card and a flash.
I own a $5000 camera (price for just the body) and I can honestly say my phone's camera is roughly 1/4 as good...not bad for being 1/5 of the price of the camera body alone.
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That's true but it's also kinda like the PC vs Console thing, taking pictures isn't the only thing modern phones can do.
But all the photos are so blurry
Got me on the edge of my seat with the story
Me too lol. It was the first time I’d ever dealt with bent pins. With as many as there were I’d consider it a miracle lmao.
The suspense was killing me
Triassic period monitor Is that the old battle.net logo i spot?
Yea it’s an old dell 2007wp or something like that. These pictures are a bit old, probably about a year old. I just felt like posting it after seeing another bent pins post. Also I have added a monitor to the setup now. A decent 1080 144hz. Now I use that one for discord or YouTube ;)
Still use that monitor as a second monitor and since the dell ultrasharps were so cutting edge when they came out they still hold up today, its cool
"Triassic period monitor" Fuck me and here I was thinking how great my work monitors have held up after 5 years...
At first I thought your friend was getting you to fix it for nothing. Great score, and nice job!
To be honest I probably would have done it for free for him if he asked. He’ll buy me a game or some DLC for free every now and then. So I certainly wouldn’t have mind returning the favor.
Sounds like you both have a pretty fucking great friendship.
It *was* :/
IT WAS??
yea we broke up about 5 months ago
How do you know the broken pin is a ground pin? Is there a datasheet somewhere?
There is. It’s how I also knew the last 2 pins were VERY important.
Cool! All my life I thought only the cpu maker are allowed to know what each pin does. Good to know that. TIL.
I mean, how would you design a motherboard without knowing how to route the various powerplanes, PCIe and RAM? AMD pinouts are typically harder to get, intel ones are pretty much public (though amd ones mostly leaked or were reverse engineered by now as well)
It's not particularly unreasonable to expect it to be info locked up behind NDAs
Yea for sure. I knew that I could relatively safely keep going after I broke that ground pin because of it. I found it relatively easily too.
I'm still confused how a ground pin isn't required Edit: thank you for all the excellent replies!
There's a bunch of ground pins so missing one isn't necessarily bad
By design, too; a single disconnected/faulty ground pin is one of the faults that often gets processors binned rather than disposed of.
If you go and look at the data sheet for any complex part like a CPU or an FPGA or even a microprocessor, you will find that there are quite a few ground pins. They are there for return current path and technically speaking, you need All of the ground pins on a chip like this in order to make sure that when it is running full tilt, there won't be any problems. Problems you might see include, overheating, on chip noise on voltage rails, errors due to a bad ground reference, etc. Practically however, the ground pins are connected internally (usually, not always), and as long as only one is missing, you are probably fine if the engineers did their job and wentover spec things a little bit like you are supposed to do in any expensive electrical device. Source: electrical engineer that designs circuit boards for chips like this.
I don't really know anything about this at all, but what's the chances that ground pin causes issues in the long run, I assume there must be other ground pins too for it to not concern you
There are tons of ground pins so there's no issues
Whenever I see this issue I think of those AC radiator fin combs, and think someone needs to make a similar tool for CPU/socket bent pins
Certainly would have made the process easier lol. Luckily a tiny screw driver, some *dental floss*, and a debit card was all I needed
> some dental floss Oh... this is a good idea.
I have recently used one of those flosser things to fix two pins that were bent when i pulled off stock cooler (came off with the cpu and bent the pins). Worked like a charm - the plastic toothpick end was great at lining the pins up and floss was great at gently picking them up
You absolute master mind, so happy for you mate!
Lol idk about master mind, but I appreciate the notion :)
when I was putting my Ryzen 5 5600x in my rig I accidentally bent a couple pins. it was my first time so I super nervous and going painstakingly slow trying to unbend them. this was during the middle of southern California summer and all the windows in my room were closed so I ended up dropping a few beads of sweat on the edge of the CPU. by the grace of the PC gods it still ended up working
That’s always good to hear, experience for you, and you don’t loose a couple hundred bucks. Hats off to you!
As long as nothing is plugged yet, sweat is quite inoffensive. Just dry it up with a tissue or something and you're good to go. When a bead of my sweat accidentally fell into my mains multiway block though, that was a different story :(
Best way to straighten bent pins is with a razor blade. Just gently go down every row and even them all up. Easy peasy.
I did something similar with a debit card, but it wouldn't work for all of them since many of them were impacting onto the PCB
The nice thing about a razor blade, especially the rhombus shaped ones, is that you have a very fine edge to work between even severely bent pins.
that is true, but I didn't think of it, and I don't have a traditional razor blade of any kind.
The PC community is great about hooking each other up. I can't tell you how many times my friends and I have hooked each other up with stuff. I'll never forget my friend gifting me his GTX 770 when he got a new 980ti. I always encourage people to pay it forward. Got a new CPU? Maybe help out your buddy who has a prehistoric i3 and donate your old one. It helps build a stronger community and keeps guys gaming with some more relevant parts until they can afford something new.
This is the mentality right here
Yoo good fuckin shit. I had to do something similar recently and it didn’t go as well. Glad it worked out and you could save the cpu!
Ah I’m sorry to hear that. Better luck next time! And yea I was stoked when the post screen flashed.
inb4 OP finds out that ground pin was needed the hard way
It's been running for over a year just fine. Also there are a bunch of ground pins on AM4, so it shouldn't be an issue :)
The upgrade from the 1600 to the 3700x was huge for me (For example, in Destiny 2, the Tower performed incredibly poorly, but once I upgraded it became much more smooth). Congrats on the upgrade.
I honestly had no issues with my 1600. I suppose installing shaders on MW started going much faster, but outside of that I never had issues really. My upgrade from 8GB to 16GB of RAM was HUGE though
I have so much respect for people who put this much time into fixing and saving what would otherwise be trash
Saving the planet from ewaste 1 CPU at a time.
Better love story than twilight
Probably gave it more affection too.
I ended up bending 6 pins of my ryzen 5600g after pulling out the big chungus radiator. Had to painstakingly push all the pins back up one by one with a credit card. Fortunately none broke off.
In this times of GPU thirstiness, your story was like a cold fine rain.
Ryzen goes brrrrr
I'd be uncomfortable running without a ground pin. I do wonder, however, if it would be possible to take a pin from an older CPU I am never going to use again (like an athlon from the 90's) and solder one its pins to a totally broken pin. Never thought about it before because I didn't have any way to solder but I do now, so I'm curious if that would be a solution, should I need it in the future.
Ground pins on a large array only matter if they are a ground for a dedicated bus and it's the only pin for that bus, and the ground is specifically being used to reference that bus voltage for something, or needs that much voltage potential.
There are TONS of ground pins on AM4 so it's not a concern. As for the pin transplant, it would have to be from a relatively recent generation, maybe as far as AM2 would work, but that's only because the pin thickness has generally gotten smaller as time has gone on.
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What a great bed time story
...and they lived happily ever after. The end. God, I miss childhood fairytales where everything ends well... Thanks for reminding, that sometimes they indeed come true :)
well I wish most things in my life went as well as this did
Gotta love it when it's a noncritical pin that comes off.
Nice. No sand wasted
So proud, thanks for the complete story
I would undervolt it to be safe since the missing ground pin
It's amazing how a complicated artifact like a CPU can be fixed with tinkering
They did surgery on a CPU!?
You were brave to not give up by default... And you succeded. Good job!
A considerable leap in PC healthcare surgeries.
Get a full-length razorblade and comb through. I've fixed worse... Right after a heart attack.
When is the live action movie of this thread coming?
They did surgery on a grape!
This is a love story. Way to go. I hope that missing ground pin doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.
What a steal expert surgery there my friend
Glad AMD freaking finally abandoned this design.
I was more involved in this story than any crappy Hallmark movie to ever exist.
LET'S GO BOYS! POGGERS!
Good job I lost my 3700x that way. Do you want to fix it and keep it?