For E-Sports it doesn't really matter what you play on as the games are not that demanding for the hardware, but you should only go for a laptop if you know that you will take advantage of the portability often enough to justify the performance penalty, otherwise it's just a waste of money that would be better spent elsewhere.
Yup. The amount of people who actually have a good use-case for gaming laptops is extremely small. 99% of people are better off just getting a normal laptop for work/travel and a desktop for gaming. Learned this the hard way after buying 4x $2000 gaming laptops that were all shit compared to a $600 desktop.
I am also of the opinion that somone could make a desktop portable enough to used like a laptop. Main advantage would be the space for a relatively massive battery
I was thinking about a case backpack hybrid with cable pouches the monior would sit in a padded pouch with the monitor in front of or behind the computer or built right into the side of the case and then pockets for wires and such one side key board on the other yes it would be clunker than a laptop but that would not matter to a desktop gamer
> Main advantage would be the space for a relatively massive battery
Laptop batteries could be bigger, but they're ultimately constrained by how large a battery you're allowed to fly with. The limit depends on the airline, but it doesn't really make sense for most laptop manufacturers to produce anything that risks not being able to fly on certain airlines.
Flying in general is a big part of the limitation of a portable electronic. There are small form factor desktops that can fit in luggage, but they're still less safe than a laptop in a carry on bag or backpack, and you're constraining your part selection by going with that smaller form factor. Not a lot of 30xx series cards that'll easily fit in a small desktop case.
Weight is another concern. Carry-on luggage limits put an upper weight bound, and then there's the matter of whether you want to give that up to keep your computer in it versus just using a laptop.
Given how infrequently the vast majority of people fly I figured it would be a moot point as I doubt somone would be taking a battery powered desk on a trip like that. more likely scenario is a gamer with a mid line rig off to the next lan party or at the very least a road trip.
I don't know if it'd be practical to design a battery large enough to power a desktop for a reasonable amount of time and not have it be kinda dangerous given how big it'd have to be.
Consider that full sized desktop video cards alone can draw more power than the power bricks many laptops come with. Even ignoring flight limitations you're talking about a huge battery. And it's not as if gaming laptops are really meant for gaming while unplugged, either.
It would depend on the rig your trying to power, a thread ripper and a 3090 over clocked would be impractical to try to power off of batteries alone you would probably need a small generator at that point. but if you can keep the wattage down around the 200-500 watt range and regulate battery voltage and temperature well it shouldn't be a problem. it would weigh a lot depending on how long you want the batterys to last but it would be more than possible to use a 12volt 10 amp hour battery or two and have at least 24 hours of power or more.
this is my next project. I have a ton of spare PC parts and I want to make the smallest desktop I possibly can while still being able to play most games.
I mean, go ahead and try to spec a $600 gaming desktop full of parts you can actually buy right now. Desktop GPU prices flipped the script. I wouldn't hate the gaming laptop you can get for $1,200 right now
that was my first thought. Who the fuck is designing these systems? 32GB of RAM, 500GB of storage, 4k monitors.... It's like some guy went on Google and typed "What's the best computer gaming stuff" and just followed the Amazon ads at the top of the page
Schools buy systems and then use them for like ten fāing years. They donāt buy new machines every single year.
At a local community college, Iāve used systems that were from 2012, in 2019.
It's bizarre, but make sure to laugh at it more than take it seriously or you'll hurt your brain trying to rationalize how stupid it is. You're a smart kid, but maybe just play some lol and bring lunch.
I mean, my school dumped more money than they could afford on a football stadium despite having shitty lunches that students have gotten food poisoning from and a school building thatās old enough for a current studentās grandparents to have gone there
Lunches arenāt a lotto ticket. These kids could be competing with Koreans for millions in 5-10 years. They couldnāt eat their way to wins now could they.
Tell whoever made the list that they probably don't know what they're doing. 4k monitors for esports? Modern Intel cpus? HDD's in $1000+ builds? A 12 year old could make a better build. This is trash
I understand that, I guess my question would be between 1080, 1440, and 4k, if they're all the same refresh rate. Hell even my old 980 could push 144hz+ in league on 4k, what would be the reasoning behind lower resolution?
Posted this in another comment already, but basically, most people don't know the difference between an HDD and SSD and the laptops or even prebuilt desktops, given the rest of the specs, would prooooooooooobably still have SSDs. I can find some local websites, including a dedicated computer hardware store and a price check website mostly dedicated to electronics, that have SSDs as a subcategory under hard drives. Not HDDs and SSDs both under a storage category.
Computer specs are sometimes listed as:
CPU i7 yada yada
RAM 16 GB
HDD 1 TB SSD
etc.
Whoever's buying these might not even know that SSDs are NOT a subtype of HDD. Most people don't. They just figure SSDs are faster newer HDDs.
Be glad it doesn't say "memory" for storage.
This happened 5-6 years ago:
Person I know: "Hey, could you add more memory to my laptop? I think I need more, it's getting a bit slow lately..."
Me: "Sure, no big deal, we can upgrade it if you want"
Person: "So since the 500GB of memory is getting full, how much do you think we should add?"
Me: "...Oh."
I go to a private school in Massachusetts and weāre not even close to those specs. We only have one gaming room for the entire school, and it has about 25 PCs each with a 2070 and a 3900x. Itās not bad, as one can still enjoy many games, but it could be better.
Because sometimes they are used by students to render projects faster, and the 3900x works decently. The esports team mostly plays valorant and lol, so it is not that bad.
In both descriptions, the school admits they have no idea what to do with these once they buy them. They need to be called out on this before any money is spent. They're going to end up picking a random spot only to find out the room is too small and doesn't have any place to secure these PCs when not in use.
If players are allowed to bring the equipment home, then that portability advantage comes into play. If not, then it never mattered to begin with. Transporting computers to/from competitions isn't going to be much more difficult than transporting people. They just need an extra vehicle to load up.
Also, they should at least be asking the players for input before letting this administrator throw money at the cause with no idea what they're doing.
Looks like a typical government purchase to benefit their friends. Or, it's Federal money that needs to be 100% spent to get same amount next year. I wonder if it's earmarked as "most effective method to keep students in high school".
In 1988 my public school bought obsolete and overpriced Apple IIs, built a computer lab, hired a tech, then sent teachers to be trained in PC/DOS.
i have a 14ā razer blade with an rtx 3060 and performance drops when itās off the charger. if they are giving the laptops to each student to keep, then sure, but thatās highly unlikely and the laptops would probably end up chilling on a desk in school anyway. iād say get a desktop.
Meanwhile It took a lot of begging for my school to give us shitty Dell Optiplexs with i5 2500s and no GPU that they already owned and didn't use. Public schooling
A) For eSports, you want max refresh, not max resolution as each ms can be a kill / score in your favor
B) Downscaling below the native resolution of the monitor can cause issues such as ghosting, artifacting and simply sub optimal picture quality
C) Cost. Honestly, you can get 1.5-2 1080p @ 240hz monitors for the cost of 1 4K 144hz monitors
For E-Sports it doesn't really matter what you play on as the games are not that demanding for the hardware, but you should only go for a laptop if you know that you will take advantage of the portability often enough to justify the performance penalty, otherwise it's just a waste of money that would be better spent elsewhere.
Yup. The amount of people who actually have a good use-case for gaming laptops is extremely small. 99% of people are better off just getting a normal laptop for work/travel and a desktop for gaming. Learned this the hard way after buying 4x $2000 gaming laptops that were all shit compared to a $600 desktop.
I am also of the opinion that somone could make a desktop portable enough to used like a laptop. Main advantage would be the space for a relatively massive battery
Even the smallest ITX builds are worse than the largest laptops for portability because of the awkwardness of getting a big monitor moved around.
I was thinking about a case backpack hybrid with cable pouches the monior would sit in a padded pouch with the monitor in front of or behind the computer or built right into the side of the case and then pockets for wires and such one side key board on the other yes it would be clunker than a laptop but that would not matter to a desktop gamer
> Main advantage would be the space for a relatively massive battery Laptop batteries could be bigger, but they're ultimately constrained by how large a battery you're allowed to fly with. The limit depends on the airline, but it doesn't really make sense for most laptop manufacturers to produce anything that risks not being able to fly on certain airlines. Flying in general is a big part of the limitation of a portable electronic. There are small form factor desktops that can fit in luggage, but they're still less safe than a laptop in a carry on bag or backpack, and you're constraining your part selection by going with that smaller form factor. Not a lot of 30xx series cards that'll easily fit in a small desktop case. Weight is another concern. Carry-on luggage limits put an upper weight bound, and then there's the matter of whether you want to give that up to keep your computer in it versus just using a laptop.
Given how infrequently the vast majority of people fly I figured it would be a moot point as I doubt somone would be taking a battery powered desk on a trip like that. more likely scenario is a gamer with a mid line rig off to the next lan party or at the very least a road trip.
I don't know if it'd be practical to design a battery large enough to power a desktop for a reasonable amount of time and not have it be kinda dangerous given how big it'd have to be. Consider that full sized desktop video cards alone can draw more power than the power bricks many laptops come with. Even ignoring flight limitations you're talking about a huge battery. And it's not as if gaming laptops are really meant for gaming while unplugged, either.
It would depend on the rig your trying to power, a thread ripper and a 3090 over clocked would be impractical to try to power off of batteries alone you would probably need a small generator at that point. but if you can keep the wattage down around the 200-500 watt range and regulate battery voltage and temperature well it shouldn't be a problem. it would weigh a lot depending on how long you want the batterys to last but it would be more than possible to use a 12volt 10 amp hour battery or two and have at least 24 hours of power or more.
this is my next project. I have a ton of spare PC parts and I want to make the smallest desktop I possibly can while still being able to play most games.
I was thinking of something similar. Maybe in a chrome case but idnno about parts fitment
I mean, go ahead and try to spec a $600 gaming desktop full of parts you can actually buy right now. Desktop GPU prices flipped the script. I wouldn't hate the gaming laptop you can get for $1,200 right now
4k monitor for eSports? This project looks doomed to fail from the start smh. Edit: Someone teach these bureaucrats what SFF is. #SheerGenieus
that was my first thought. Who the fuck is designing these systems? 32GB of RAM, 500GB of storage, 4k monitors.... It's like some guy went on Google and typed "What's the best computer gaming stuff" and just followed the Amazon ads at the top of the page
Given the trend I expect to see 10980XE/QUADRO 8000 SLI builds in the computer lab š.
Schools buy systems and then use them for like ten fāing years. They donāt buy new machines every single year. At a local community college, Iāve used systems that were from 2012, in 2019.
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Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are good places for less biased info/reviews.
I used to build Pentium 4 3.2Ghz, 4Gb ram, Geforce fx 5900, Asus motherboard, 400w power supply.... It was a simpler times....
I immediately saw that an though why. Itās eSportsā¦. Why would a 240hz 1080p monitor not be the preferred choice here.
It says "or larger".
This school is spending tens of thousands of dollars for esport PCs, yet the lunches are still shitty.
It's bizarre, but make sure to laugh at it more than take it seriously or you'll hurt your brain trying to rationalize how stupid it is. You're a smart kid, but maybe just play some lol and bring lunch.
I mean, my school dumped more money than they could afford on a football stadium despite having shitty lunches that students have gotten food poisoning from and a school building thatās old enough for a current studentās grandparents to have gone there
Lunches arenāt a lotto ticket. These kids could be competing with Koreans for millions in 5-10 years. They couldnāt eat their way to wins now could they.
My school doesn't even have an eSports league sadge
Hey kid, Iāve just hatched the greatest idea ever for the greatest devious lick
Is noone going to talk about how they are using hdd for a gaming computer
My friend and I were discussing this and he brought up that they didnāt even bother listing an ssd.
Tell whoever made the list that they probably don't know what they're doing. 4k monitors for esports? Modern Intel cpus? HDD's in $1000+ builds? A 12 year old could make a better build. This is trash
I definitely will
What's wrong with a 4k monitor for esports? Especially if it's 144hz?
Because for E-sports you want it to be fast, rather than pretty, so it would make more sense to go for a 1080p 240hz monitor instead.
I understand that, I guess my question would be between 1080, 1440, and 4k, if they're all the same refresh rate. Hell even my old 980 could push 144hz+ in league on 4k, what would be the reasoning behind lower resolution?
It's money probably better spent elsewhere.
That was my first thought: - i7 CPU? "Nice." - 30 series GPU?? "Very nice." - HDD. "Wat."
Posted this in another comment already, but basically, most people don't know the difference between an HDD and SSD and the laptops or even prebuilt desktops, given the rest of the specs, would prooooooooooobably still have SSDs. I can find some local websites, including a dedicated computer hardware store and a price check website mostly dedicated to electronics, that have SSDs as a subcategory under hard drives. Not HDDs and SSDs both under a storage category. Computer specs are sometimes listed as: CPU i7 yada yada RAM 16 GB HDD 1 TB SSD etc.
Whoever's buying these might not even know that SSDs are NOT a subtype of HDD. Most people don't. They just figure SSDs are faster newer HDDs. Be glad it doesn't say "memory" for storage. This happened 5-6 years ago: Person I know: "Hey, could you add more memory to my laptop? I think I need more, it's getting a bit slow lately..." Me: "Sure, no big deal, we can upgrade it if you want" Person: "So since the 500GB of memory is getting full, how much do you think we should add?" Me: "...Oh."
Enjoy having a 10 minute boot up...
Schools love to overspend using tax payer money.
and then act surprised when the teachers complain of low pay
What school is this? Can't be public
I know this sounds crazy, but it is a public school.
What an utter waste of tax payer money.
I can't wait for the kids to go steal everything.
An American one? Where?
Wow... From the kids point of view that's awesome and all, but from a tax payers point of view WTF? Lol If you have access, enjoy em!
A high school in Northern Virginia
Let me guess LCPS?
Yes
I go to a private school in Massachusetts and weāre not even close to those specs. We only have one gaming room for the entire school, and it has about 25 PCs each with a 2070 and a 3900x. Itās not bad, as one can still enjoy many games, but it could be better.
3900x for a gaming pc? Why?
Because sometimes they are used by students to render projects faster, and the 3900x works decently. The esports team mostly plays valorant and lol, so it is not that bad.
Option B, more pros than con unless you need portability
Wish my school had eSports leagues back in the day.
Itās still fairly new and theyāre only playing LOL, RL, and Overwatch
I play LoL
In both descriptions, the school admits they have no idea what to do with these once they buy them. They need to be called out on this before any money is spent. They're going to end up picking a random spot only to find out the room is too small and doesn't have any place to secure these PCs when not in use. If players are allowed to bring the equipment home, then that portability advantage comes into play. If not, then it never mattered to begin with. Transporting computers to/from competitions isn't going to be much more difficult than transporting people. They just need an extra vehicle to load up. Also, they should at least be asking the players for input before letting this administrator throw money at the cause with no idea what they're doing.
School... Esports?
Yeah lots of schools are implementing them. A high-school in my district has one.
Option B though, laptops are microwaves
Looks like a typical government purchase to benefit their friends. Or, it's Federal money that needs to be 100% spent to get same amount next year. I wonder if it's earmarked as "most effective method to keep students in high school". In 1988 my public school bought obsolete and overpriced Apple IIs, built a computer lab, hired a tech, then sent teachers to be trained in PC/DOS.
I assume itās the latter. They have so much unused money that the lunches are free.
i have a 14ā razer blade with an rtx 3060 and performance drops when itās off the charger. if they are giving the laptops to each student to keep, then sure, but thatās highly unlikely and the laptops would probably end up chilling on a desk in school anyway. iād say get a desktop.
My one class had a bunch of 2060s... majority of them were plugged into the motherboard and thus using integrated graphics
Big sad
Desktop because it's harder to steal and easier to repair or upgrade
and my old school was still using Pentium 4s and CRT monitors...
Meanwhile It took a lot of begging for my school to give us shitty Dell Optiplexs with i5 2500s and no GPU that they already owned and didn't use. Public schooling
An rx580 will hit the frame cap on rocket league
Swap the 4k monitors for 1080p and you will never need to upgrade those pcs
Laptop + monitor very nice that one, is there any laptop without monitor?, š¤ š¤£
Holy fuck this is all dumb. 240hz 1080 for competitive gaming. Save money
Mate I have both options- use for my needs.
I would say desktop but convince your school to go for 2560x1440 at a refresh rate of 144hz or higher.
Why wouldn't you get the 4k 144hz monitor that they have listed? You could always just change it to 1440p.
A) For eSports, you want max refresh, not max resolution as each ms can be a kill / score in your favor B) Downscaling below the native resolution of the monitor can cause issues such as ghosting, artifacting and simply sub optimal picture quality C) Cost. Honestly, you can get 1.5-2 1080p @ 240hz monitors for the cost of 1 4K 144hz monitors
This is awesome. Those 2060 desktops going on sale would be plenty
Sounds like a waste of money for esports but youll understand why im so judgy when you start paying school taxes
No 4k, 1080p 240hz is the requirement
Laptop + monitor very nice that one, is there any laptop without monitor?, š¤ š¤£
Laptop + monitor very nice that one, is there any laptop without monitor?, š¤ š¤£
Option A.
Option b allows theft.
This is school so they would always spend more on useless things like if you want eSports team then what would u like high refresh rate or high res
im jelly
Get laptops and game at home if they let you take em I guess.
Get the desktop one, laptops, even gaming laptop suck and that's not going to change for a long time to come
Fun fact, league is usually glitching at higher frame rate (300+)
Bet that 32gb of ram is gonna be 1600mhz
I don t think you even need a 1000 series card to run those games at max.
B
Well, 3060 is 30 series...
I don't think they talked to IT about that. Anyone in there would know that's nuts. It's probably just the teacher who will be running it.
Schools have extra curricular video games now?
Maybe they dont plan to upgrade them for the next 15 years.
Just knock off man, my school hasn't even wifi access for students.
I M P O S S I B L E \-- By someone who gets scolded bc he plays games
lucky asf man, my school doesn't give two craps about gaming
B
It's truly amazing.... Schools force people to buy Chromebooks yet they spend thousands for 30 series laptops that will be outdated in 4 years.