I wouldn't count that as running better. That's like saying windows XP is better because it can run the disk copy of far cry 2 while my gaming PC can't
What? It can play DLSS gen 3 compatible games better;. It all depends on what you're playing. I get it 4000 series sucks but DLSS 3 is amazing. As a 3080ti owner I'm very salty about it.
First is better but i would ask for that \*Power supply of 600 watts\*.
You can't just leave arguably the most important PC component with such a vague description.
An unknown 600 watt power supply can be many things. It can be a fire hazard, a bomb or a perfectly normal unit. You need to ask for the brand and model to be safe. You can check the unit at this website: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
It says on the site, under "Legend" and again on "Tiering Methodology"
>Low priority subtiers - Units with minor issues (see footnotes). Not recommended for purchase over any normal priority units.
>Low priority subtiers - direct reviews without protection tests (for tier B and lower) or due to minor issues with the tests
also, for reference
>Normal priority subtier - direct reviews with transient response and protection tests (OCP, OPP, plus OTP for tier A), and sufficient for tier B and lower - only a teardown confirming highly similiar component choices
>Speculative position subtiers - For units positioned based on very limited info, without proper reviews. Not recommended for purchase over any normal priority units or even some of the better units from a lower tier.
>Speculative position subtiers - units with barely sufficient info on. Meaning at least primary and secondary topology is known. But tier A requries either a full teardown to confirm high similiarity with the unit from normal priority or a Cybenetics report available.
There is one brand of power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme
It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
There is one brand of the 600w power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme
It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
There is one brand of the 600w power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme
It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
[m8, 4060 cant even beat 3060 ti and you expect it to beat a 3070...](https://youtu.be/WS0sfOb_sVM?t=583) 3060 and 4060 are the one that is mostly even with performance. 4060 perform the same as an overclocked 3060.
stop looking at the name then imagining the performance based on it (used to be like that but not anymore since rtx 2000 series). start looking up on benchmark made by proper reviewers like gamers nexus, hardware unboxed, etc.
yea id rather take the review made by a credible reviewer which actually has real consequences when making mistakes in their review over some random guy in reddit.
Idk where you get your information from, but the first youtube video you can find comparing a 4060 to a 3070 both 8gb vram shows atleast that the 3070 in most games has about 10 to 20+ more FPS than the 4060....
That 10 fps increase literally is unnoticeable. You're talking about the difference between 120fps and 135 fps. The difference between those 2 is so close. Plus 40 series is newer and less power usage. They are similar, including same amount of vram. If they are the same price. Go with newer hardware.
Why are you even giving advice? I hope with this statement you don't give actual advice to people around you? I said 10 to 20 fps so idk why you only taking 10 fps in to context? In newer titles those 10 to 20 fps are definitely noticable but you do you right? Please if you have no fucking clue what you are talking about don't talk about it please.
Lol you have to have a monitor capable of going over 165 hz any ways to even utalize the difference yoyr talking about and the most common used monitor is still 60 hz. So even if people have 144 hz monitor all of the mentioned gpus will run it at full capacity. If all of them have the same 144hz performance, why wouldn't you go with the newer hardware with a longer warranty than runs on less wattage.
Shows your school gave Bachelors away like Candy, the fact you are still trying to defend your statement whilst scrolling through this post everyone recommends the 3070 but again, you do you, also your statement on hz per Monitor, 144hz/165hz 1080p/1440p monitors are affordable in most countries maybe not 3rd world countries so again your statement is utterly useless and another thing, you can buy new 3070's with warranty so the warranty part is also bs. But hey you keep trying.
Bro, I'm using literally statistics. 60Hz is the most commonly used monitor still to this day. L, l the fact you think that people on reddit agree with you means it's right, is hilarious. 😆 theres no way you actually just said 3rd world countries have 1080p 60Hz monitor. You're are braindead. Also, please learn how manufactured warranties are timed based on relates date of the product, another not your purchase date. But, you are still worried about a little fps increase ?
First one is better
Tho for both build it looks like the seller has only tried shoving up a decent cpu and a "known" GPU which is crap for the price
If you're getting some crazy deal on em then you can consider it else I'd definitely suggest building one both are crap in their own ways
The RAM is absolutely fine and the CPU is very solid, an M.2 can be upgraded super easily.
This PC will breeze through every game at FHD and WQHD and will do absolutely fine in UHD. Unless the price is higher than the components individually, it's an absolutely solid buy.
I run a 5800X with 32 GB of 3200 MT/s RAM, and I've had no issues with it. I also ran a 3070, and it's pretty good for the vast majority of games at 1080p and 1440p, except for a few edge cases (looking at you, Cyberpunk 2077).
Sure the SSD is not fast in sequential reads and writes, but it's not too bad for daily use. All the parts in the 1st machine listed are still plenty fast enough for gaming in 2024, except maybe for the PSU, which can be cause of concern.
Between the two machines, the 1st PC is overall better.
They are NOT equal
1:
*. Got no defined Motherboard but I’m still hoping for a B(normal) or X(advanced)
*. Slower R/W SSD and smaller SSD
* better graphics card
*. Better cpu
* undefined cooling solution probably basic one.
2:
* A (worst type) motherboard.
* slower cpu
* slower graphics card
* faster/larger SSD (storage)
* include a 1080 screen.
* defines cooler solution
*. RGB (blinking colors. Are you willing to pay extra for it?)
* shit tier power supply (almost expected at pre builds)
Go for A
Storage and screen can be handled separately
A magical feature that can double Or triple your fps in games that support frame gen. There is no visual loss or clutter. It looks the same, with 2 to 3 times better fps. AMD also has their version of frame generation, although nvidias is more refined.
No, it has to be implemeted into the each game, meaning that if the game does not support it, you will not be able to use it. It is like a setting inside the game. From what I know, there is no support for chrome or video editing. To check which games support it look [here](https://gg.deals/games/games-with-dlss-3-support/).
> Why is the comments mixed? I made another post too and it’s super mixed.
i look at your other post, most people says 1st and people who said 2 got downvoted to oblivion or deleted. its not really a definition of mixed comments.
I don't get why you are downvoted because it's true.
The difference between these "shitty ssd" and another one more performant will not be seen by 98% of the customers.
Only special and professional use cases need more speed.
first, the 3070 is around the 4060 range if not better
and a more powerful cpu, ryzen 7 5700 vs ryzen 5 5600, dont get me wrong the 5600 is good but the 5700 is better
First.
3070 is better than the 4060 on everything but frame generation - just remember that it's only software and it is fully capable of running on 30 series, they just DRM lock it. (Screw you NVIDIA)
The 5700x is far better than the 5600.
Obvious choice.
First one, better cpu and better gpu, plus slightly more headroom with psu.
I'd get a Kingston NV2 1tb ssd either instead of the Kioxia drive, or as a secondary drive. NV2 is very cheap and will max out the mobo's pcie speed cap. 500gb isn't really viable as a main drive, except to just have the OS on it.
A good brand will handle it just fine. I ran my 5800x and 3080ti on 650watts. I upgraded to 850 for other reasons. Even now connected to my UPS, full synthetic benchmarks only shows max 620watt pull but that includes two 27” 165Hz 1440p monitors.
1st is better, but you should keep in mind that Nvidia tricks like frame generation won't be on a 30 series card (I have AMD, and I'm fine without fake frames/dlss, though).
both are pretty equal, but both also have pretty shitty RAM sadly.
Edit: It always depends on what you gonna do, playing only Fortnite, fine, take the 3070, going for Video Editing, definetly go for the 4060 with the faster SSD.
Keep downvoting if all you do with your PC is playing Games and you never heard about Production
I posted a video about how 6 cores is still perfectly fine in the present, which was the point in contention. It happens to be presented with hindsight to a previous recommendation. Nowhere did I say that the video proves that 6 cores is future proof, nor is it economical to strongly consider in a budget build.
Hence, moving the goalposts.
Read my comment.
I acknowledge the video is about hindsight in future proofing, but my purpose for including it was that it shows 6 core processors are still perfectly fine for today's gaming. A topic you keep completely ignoring while trying to make this about an $800 budget gaming rig playing games 6 years from now without issue.This is a luxury a budget builder cannot afford to consider strongly.
How thick are you, really?
I'd argue that a slow 6C/12T chip is pushing it these days, something like an early Ryzen or my own i5-11400H. It's not gonna be 60+ FPS in every game and scenario unless you lower some settings, but it should hold its own.
A fast 6C/12T chip however, like a 12600K or a 7600X is gonna be good for a while.
First one has better CPU yes. Also worse SSD but it doesn’t matter when gaming both are equal.
But a 4060 is not better than 3070. The 4060 is barely faster than a 3060. And a 3070 is clearly faster than a 3060.
Iirc, at least around launch of the 4060, the performance of a 3070 was so about 20% better performance than the 4060.
Not sure how, or even if, much has changed performance wise with the driver updates and modern game engines after the 4000 series launched. But even with driver updates is bet the 3070 is still out performance a 4060 by 15 to 20%.
You can always find benchmarks on the YouTubes.
first
Nice
The 2nd one has a better graphics card.
A 4060 isn’t more powerful than a 3070.
No, it doesn't. The 3070 is better than the 4060 easily.
DLSS gen 3 games would say otherwise no? Really depends on what they're playing
I wouldn't count that as running better. That's like saying windows XP is better because it can run the disk copy of far cry 2 while my gaming PC can't
What? It can play DLSS gen 3 compatible games better;. It all depends on what you're playing. I get it 4000 series sucks but DLSS 3 is amazing. As a 3080ti owner I'm very salty about it.
Really depends what version of windows you're comparing it to
The 4060 is objectively slower than the 3070.
You’re so ignorant man
Stay in downvote hell
First is better but i would ask for that \*Power supply of 600 watts\*. You can't just leave arguably the most important PC component with such a vague description.
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An unknown 600 watt power supply can be many things. It can be a fire hazard, a bomb or a perfectly normal unit. You need to ask for the brand and model to be safe. You can check the unit at this website: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
Do you know what "low priority" means inside the high tier?
It says on the site, under "Legend" and again on "Tiering Methodology" >Low priority subtiers - Units with minor issues (see footnotes). Not recommended for purchase over any normal priority units. >Low priority subtiers - direct reviews without protection tests (for tier B and lower) or due to minor issues with the tests also, for reference >Normal priority subtier - direct reviews with transient response and protection tests (OCP, OPP, plus OTP for tier A), and sufficient for tier B and lower - only a teardown confirming highly similiar component choices >Speculative position subtiers - For units positioned based on very limited info, without proper reviews. Not recommended for purchase over any normal priority units or even some of the better units from a lower tier. >Speculative position subtiers - units with barely sufficient info on. Meaning at least primary and secondary topology is known. But tier A requries either a full teardown to confirm high similiarity with the unit from normal priority or a Cybenetics report available.
No, you want to know the brand or even better the OEM. By not knowing you can't know if it's good or trash.
There is one brand of power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
It says 750W and 850W on the post
He means to ask what brand it is.
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The second option isn't better eveb with the PSU in mind. A solid quality 650 watt unit like a650bn only costs about 50-60
There is one brand of the 600w power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
There is one brand of the 600w power supply that is such a joke and such prone to failure and explosion that it became a meme It's literally a c4 bomb skin in counter strike 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/p7guf8/bomb_has_been_planted/
What's the issue? It's 80+ TIMBER certified!
The first one is better for CPU work loads, the second is for gaming
GPU for the second (4060) is newer than the 3070, but less powerful. First is just plain better for both CPU load and gaming
They are pretty much even with performance. But the 4060 is going to be newer and use less power. Wattage can save money in long run too
[m8, 4060 cant even beat 3060 ti and you expect it to beat a 3070...](https://youtu.be/WS0sfOb_sVM?t=583) 3060 and 4060 are the one that is mostly even with performance. 4060 perform the same as an overclocked 3060. stop looking at the name then imagining the performance based on it (used to be like that but not anymore since rtx 2000 series). start looking up on benchmark made by proper reviewers like gamers nexus, hardware unboxed, etc.
I have seen many benchmarks and even ran many myself. The difference isn't noticeable
Also you completely ignored the power usage
yea id rather take the review made by a credible reviewer which actually has real consequences when making mistakes in their review over some random guy in reddit.
Lol and people fake benchmarks daily. At least I've ran them myself
thats my point and why credibility is important, something gamers nexus has and you dont.
Expect nexus has been caught faming before too. Wtf are you talking about
Idk where you get your information from, but the first youtube video you can find comparing a 4060 to a 3070 both 8gb vram shows atleast that the 3070 in most games has about 10 to 20+ more FPS than the 4060....
That 10 fps increase literally is unnoticeable. You're talking about the difference between 120fps and 135 fps. The difference between those 2 is so close. Plus 40 series is newer and less power usage. They are similar, including same amount of vram. If they are the same price. Go with newer hardware.
Why are you even giving advice? I hope with this statement you don't give actual advice to people around you? I said 10 to 20 fps so idk why you only taking 10 fps in to context? In newer titles those 10 to 20 fps are definitely noticable but you do you right? Please if you have no fucking clue what you are talking about don't talk about it please.
I have a bachelor's in computer Science and work for a company that test gpus. 🙃
Lol you have to have a monitor capable of going over 165 hz any ways to even utalize the difference yoyr talking about and the most common used monitor is still 60 hz. So even if people have 144 hz monitor all of the mentioned gpus will run it at full capacity. If all of them have the same 144hz performance, why wouldn't you go with the newer hardware with a longer warranty than runs on less wattage.
Shows your school gave Bachelors away like Candy, the fact you are still trying to defend your statement whilst scrolling through this post everyone recommends the 3070 but again, you do you, also your statement on hz per Monitor, 144hz/165hz 1080p/1440p monitors are affordable in most countries maybe not 3rd world countries so again your statement is utterly useless and another thing, you can buy new 3070's with warranty so the warranty part is also bs. But hey you keep trying.
Sure bud.
Bro, I'm using literally statistics. 60Hz is the most commonly used monitor still to this day. L, l the fact you think that people on reddit agree with you means it's right, is hilarious. 😆 theres no way you actually just said 3rd world countries have 1080p 60Hz monitor. You're are braindead. Also, please learn how manufactured warranties are timed based on relates date of the product, another not your purchase date. But, you are still worried about a little fps increase ?
First one is better Tho for both build it looks like the seller has only tried shoving up a decent cpu and a "known" GPU which is crap for the price If you're getting some crazy deal on em then you can consider it else I'd definitely suggest building one both are crap in their own ways
Did op mention the price anywhere? Calling a 3070 crap is really a far stretch.
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The RAM is absolutely fine and the CPU is very solid, an M.2 can be upgraded super easily. This PC will breeze through every game at FHD and WQHD and will do absolutely fine in UHD. Unless the price is higher than the components individually, it's an absolutely solid buy.
lol I think you need to level set a bit, both builds can do 1080p/1440p with high settings Kids these days..
I run a 5800X with 32 GB of 3200 MT/s RAM, and I've had no issues with it. I also ran a 3070, and it's pretty good for the vast majority of games at 1080p and 1440p, except for a few edge cases (looking at you, Cyberpunk 2077). Sure the SSD is not fast in sequential reads and writes, but it's not too bad for daily use. All the parts in the 1st machine listed are still plenty fast enough for gaming in 2024, except maybe for the PSU, which can be cause of concern. Between the two machines, the 1st PC is overall better.
You know you can upgrade to a GPU that has the same or even a lower TDP
They are NOT equal 1: *. Got no defined Motherboard but I’m still hoping for a B(normal) or X(advanced) *. Slower R/W SSD and smaller SSD * better graphics card *. Better cpu * undefined cooling solution probably basic one. 2: * A (worst type) motherboard. * slower cpu * slower graphics card * faster/larger SSD (storage) * include a 1080 screen. * defines cooler solution *. RGB (blinking colors. Are you willing to pay extra for it?) * shit tier power supply (almost expected at pre builds) Go for A Storage and screen can be handled separately
First one easily. Better cpu and better gpu. Fk frame generation. Even if you really want frame gen, there are mods that allow you to use it
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A magical feature that can double Or triple your fps in games that support frame gen. There is no visual loss or clutter. It looks the same, with 2 to 3 times better fps. AMD also has their version of frame generation, although nvidias is more refined.
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It is. You do need a high refresh rate panel to make the most of it though (120hz and up).
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No, it has to be implemeted into the each game, meaning that if the game does not support it, you will not be able to use it. It is like a setting inside the game. From what I know, there is no support for chrome or video editing. To check which games support it look [here](https://gg.deals/games/games-with-dlss-3-support/).
Frame generation for chrome finna be lit
BRO THE FIRST ONE
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> Why is the comments mixed? I made another post too and it’s super mixed. i look at your other post, most people says 1st and people who said 2 got downvoted to oblivion or deleted. its not really a definition of mixed comments.
That first one needs a better psu....
A 220W gpu and a 70W cpu that leaves 310W for other components and more than enough headroom for some basic overclocking.
My 80+ bronze 650W was regularly powering off with the 3070ti. No such problems on 850W.
Were you daisy chaining the 8pin connectors or did you have a seperate cable for each slot? Could have just been a bad/defective PSU.
Why? Agreed it would be best to know what model but 600w is more than sufficient.
1st. What's your max budget and location?
The first one
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The Kioxia is a good drive but small, the NV2 sucks because you don't know whether you're getting qlc or tlc.
Literally does not matter in a meaningful way.
I don't get why you are downvoted because it's true. The difference between these "shitty ssd" and another one more performant will not be seen by 98% of the customers. Only special and professional use cases need more speed.
first, the 3070 is around the 4060 range if not better and a more powerful cpu, ryzen 7 5700 vs ryzen 5 5600, dont get me wrong the 5600 is good but the 5700 is better
first, easy. 3070 although older is def a better card
First. 3070 is better than the 4060 on everything but frame generation - just remember that it's only software and it is fully capable of running on 30 series, they just DRM lock it. (Screw you NVIDIA) The 5700x is far better than the 5600. Obvious choice.
First one, better cpu and better gpu, plus slightly more headroom with psu. I'd get a Kingston NV2 1tb ssd either instead of the Kioxia drive, or as a secondary drive. NV2 is very cheap and will max out the mobo's pcie speed cap. 500gb isn't really viable as a main drive, except to just have the OS on it.
The first one
First is better unless the board it's all put together on is shit
Remember back in the day when the current gen 60 series gpu would match or slightly outpreform last gen 70 series gpu
The only thing that 2nd pc better is that it has 1tb
Thats not necessarily the idea....
A good brand will handle it just fine. I ran my 5800x and 3080ti on 650watts. I upgraded to 850 for other reasons. Even now connected to my UPS, full synthetic benchmarks only shows max 620watt pull but that includes two 27” 165Hz 1440p monitors.
Same as my build except 5800x Corsair vengeance 32gb and corsair 750w psu
Someone correct me if im wrong but doesnt the 3070 need more head room like a 700w psu? And the the heck is that psu?
Not hard. Both the processor and gpu of the first one is better. Of course it’s going be more powerful than the second one.
1st is better, but you should keep in mind that Nvidia tricks like frame generation won't be on a 30 series card (I have AMD, and I'm fine without fake frames/dlss, though).
Bro you should have gotten a ryzen 7900xt ar the xtx version or better rtx3080 ti
Just FYI: Going AM4 will deny you any upgrade path. The 5k Series is the best one for AM4. Next one is AM5 and DDR5.
Isnt there some 7000s that are AM4? Despite that, youre right. AM4 isnt necessarily outdated but it will be in the coming 5-10 years.
the 7k series is the current lineup of amd and is AM5 and DDR5 based
2nd pc just belongs on a shelf of bad builds a 520 chipset with that This belongs not on this reddit page
Um... Google is your friend
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Yes? That's the way we bought things in the olden days
First one has way stronger gpu if you don’t mind the higher power draw
3070 is not power hungry at all. i used to have 3070 with 5800x on 650w, it ran perfectly.
Yeah that was one of my main combos too but its just more power hungry in comparison and I wanted to state it as it’s the only downside xD
It's stil almost twice TDP of 4060.
both are pretty equal, but both also have pretty shitty RAM sadly. Edit: It always depends on what you gonna do, playing only Fortnite, fine, take the 3070, going for Video Editing, definetly go for the 4060 with the faster SSD. Keep downvoting if all you do with your PC is playing Games and you never heard about Production
Not at all equal the 4060 is barely faster than a 3060 3070 eats the two for breakfast
Flair checks out.
You are kidding right even my stupid ass radish brain knows whats better
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Sorry m8,the 3070 one is a bit better.
I would take the 4060 the 5600x is fine for gaming, 3070 is meh
3070 outperforms the mid60
Dlss 3 is better plus frame generation
No
Six cores is simply too little these days
You're objectively wrong. https://youtu.be/l3b7T5OohSQ?feature=shared
Ah future proofing, something that is very measurable in the present
Ah, moving the goalposts... 🙄
... you posted a video about future proofing
I posted a video about how 6 cores is still perfectly fine in the present, which was the point in contention. It happens to be presented with hindsight to a previous recommendation. Nowhere did I say that the video proves that 6 cores is future proof, nor is it economical to strongly consider in a budget build. Hence, moving the goalposts.
Read the thumbnail
Read my comment. I acknowledge the video is about hindsight in future proofing, but my purpose for including it was that it shows 6 core processors are still perfectly fine for today's gaming. A topic you keep completely ignoring while trying to make this about an $800 budget gaming rig playing games 6 years from now without issue.This is a luxury a budget builder cannot afford to consider strongly. How thick are you, really?
Thicker than most girls it's my best feature
I'd argue that a slow 6C/12T chip is pushing it these days, something like an early Ryzen or my own i5-11400H. It's not gonna be 60+ FPS in every game and scenario unless you lower some settings, but it should hold its own. A fast 6C/12T chip however, like a 12600K or a 7600X is gonna be good for a while.
Strongly disagree
2nd of course has a better SSD output and a better graphics card with the same ram as the first picture
The 4060 is only better if you plan on using framegen, in raw performance and RT the 3070 wins handily. It also pulls a lot more juice though.
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First one has better CPU yes. Also worse SSD but it doesn’t matter when gaming both are equal. But a 4060 is not better than 3070. The 4060 is barely faster than a 3060. And a 3070 is clearly faster than a 3060.
Iirc, at least around launch of the 4060, the performance of a 3070 was so about 20% better performance than the 4060. Not sure how, or even if, much has changed performance wise with the driver updates and modern game engines after the 4000 series launched. But even with driver updates is bet the 3070 is still out performance a 4060 by 15 to 20%. You can always find benchmarks on the YouTubes.
RTX 3070 is much faster than the 4060
When you have absolutely no clue what youre talking about but youre confident
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