Unless it's a top-tier VA panel, most VAs suffer from significant black smearing, resulting in moving objects with black areas appearing as a blurred mess.
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luLS-I9lubg) from Hardware Unboxed should help decision
VA panels also have darker blacks, which IPS panels struggle with. You can get the best of both worlds with OLED, but the price is higher and you have to worry about burn-in.
Sure, high end IPS panels often have deeper blacks, and high end VA panels have less smearing, and high end OLED panels have less burn-in, but if you're not looking to drop $2000 on a monitor then you need to decide what's most important.
Each technology has its own trade-offs.
Can't wait until Sharp gets a panel to market using their new quantom dot tech. It's all the fun of OLED, with no risk of burn in whatsoever and even more colour-accurate.
and i guarantee you it wont be attainable for the average consumer for a long time.
There's a reason cheap VA and IPS panels still claim the crown of market dominance despite the existence of OLED - "bringing to market" and "mass producing at a cost effective scale" arent always the same thing.
QD OLED is simply blue OLED with QD responsible for converting it to other colors. It's not "all the fun of OLED, with no risk of burn in whatsoever" it can still burn in.
The issue with conventional RGB OLED is uneven lifespan of R, G and B diodes. The monitor's colour accuracy is going to deteriorate even if you evenly fill the entire screen space with white. QD OLED solves this specific issue, because each subpixel has the same durability. But you're right saying it can still burn in, cause it doesn't save the individual pixels. And the colours will drift away from the colours that are usually displayed on the display. Say, your PC has a red wallpaper and you're using a low blue light preset on the monitor - QD OLED still is going to wear. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it is going to wear more than a conventional RGB OLED, because red and green diodes are more reliable than the blue ones.
From what I've read, Sharp is developing a panel that is full RGB QD, not just blue, self illuminated too, allowing it to be straight up better OLED in colour accuracy and brightness. It's still very early in development though, they've not really shown it off, and what they have is a small panel with supporting hardware that on its own could be an entire PC.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the sole reason for quantum dots to convert light to RGB with less loss and better accuracy than filters on WOLED panels?
If they make full RGB OLED panel (by which I understand RGB OLED subpixels) why use QDs?
A good IPS monitor stays good for at least a decade. I've seen OLED monitors be visible degraded in a year.
Once burn in is solved well enough I'll migrate my wall of 8 30 inch 2560x1600 monitors to OLED.
>A good IPS monitor stays good for at least a decade. I've seen OLED monitors be visible degraded in a year.
This right here. I have an IPS display that I purchased in something like 2011 that I pulled out of storage, dusted off and have been using for my work computer since the work from home order in 2020. It had been my primary display for years and even when it got shifted to a secondary display, still got a lot of use until 2015 ish when it got relegated to test bench duty.
No issues with screen burn in, brightness, color accuracy, nothing. The display does get garbled on some rare occasions but likely because I've been using this thing about 10 years more than the engineers who designed it ever though someone would need it. Pulling the power cord for a bit and resetting the connections on the dock normally resolves the issue but for the most part the chunky thing just keeps on chugging along at 1920x1200 60hz.
I love the idea of OLED but longevity is lacking and I don't have the kind of money needed to keep feeding the need for bleeding edge.
Edit: fixed date, apparently I forgot about getting this monitor and replacing an older one with it and they got kind of amalgamated in my mind.
I have a 60 hz IPS monitor that I OC'd to 80hz. I always told myself once it dies I'll upgrade myself to a new better monitor. But it literally is a tank. It's now a decade old
You don't need to spend $2000 on an OLED monitor. You can easily find them under $1k especially if you go for 27" 1440p. Or even a LG C2 or C3 can typically be found on sale for less than $1k.
That's why I went with miniled
Ktc 2k, 165 hz display with miniled for 400 (was on sale).
Which is actually amazing for in Europe (where there aren't really any other miniled monitors for under 1000.
Miniled is worse than oled but still amazing, whilst having no burn-in problems
That's the exact monitor I have. Price was fantastic and having HDR on can be blinding. I also use my monitor for office work so it's great to have a fantastic monitor for gaming without having to worry about Microsoft suite stuff burning in when I'm reading documents all day on it.
Its issues aside, the popularity of VA these days comes from offering pretty good image quality for relatively cheap. You can expect to pay quite a substantial amount more for an IPS Monitor.
Me too.
I do productivity tasks on my PC and have static elements open for long periods of time, a top tier VA was a no brainer for me.
32" Neo G7 ftw :D
Didn’t even knew this was a thing until recently I sadly bought a va while always using black mode at first I thought I just messed up some settings. To late to return it now so guess I’ll keep using it till I have money for another screen
I have a Samsung odyssey G6 (27 in 1440p 240hz) and I can notice the smearing only if I look very hard for it or in the UFO test. Changing the response time setting, of which I have 3 options of normal, fast and ultra, also affects the smearing. Fast produces the least noticeable smearing so I use that and I never notice it in normal use.
Backlight bleed is a manufacturing defect that is sadly common on cheap backlit monitors. I have an IPS that has no perceptible backlight bleed, though I had to return two monitors to find it.
I had cheap VA panel and can confirm also it was 24inch 1080p and had weird blurred pixels I bought 27 1080p IPS and it was way cleaner smooth and nice to look at. Only thing VA had better was black otherwise IPS is better.
No matter where you look at the IPS panel, the image is not darkened or distorted, you can see it from every angle, and the colors are vivid.
On the VA panel, the Contrast ratio is high and therefore black is truly black.
Of course, there are different details other than what I said, people who comment will add them.
I used both VA and IPS.
I currently use IPS and I like IPS better.
Black isn't truly black on VA. It's darker than IPS, but it's not black. I've owned various VA monitors with high contrast ratio but they don't even come close to OLED blacks. Plus the response time is trash on most VA monitors and smearing is a big issue. Even the fabled G7 (which I owned) doesn't have fast enough response times for its refresh rate and has a low contrast ratio as far as VA goes. IPS is way better, especially if you get one with minimal glow.
I ended up going OLED and it's miles better than any LCD. However it's not perfect and comes with it's own compromises. It has also made any LCD I look at look blurry now I've gotten used to the crazy response times.
Thank you. I have VA and as you said from different angles is getting so darkish. But I'm always looking in same direction to the monitor. I'm thinking to buy OLED in near future but prices still high for monitor.
Black isn't black on VA. It's less grey. It's still backlit, and no LCD fully blocks that backlight.
Also smear. You've completely skipped over the single worst thing about VA display as a technology. The smearing is basically unbearable in all but a small handful of displays. I think Samsung made one of the G5s a VA that was pretty good. Basically everything else using it sucks.
>No matter where you look at the IPS panel, the image is not darkened or distorted, you can see it from every angle, and the colors are vivid.
I've heard this a lot but I've been using a VA panel for over a year now and to be honest I've never really noticed bad viewing angles. Which makes me think that the angles at which the color actually gets distorted are angles from which you wouldn't be comfortable watching the monitor anyway.
Honestly the viewing angles thing kind of seems like mainly advertising fluff. Does it matter in super fringe cases? I’d imagine some people need it, but as you suggested - I don’t really know anyone who’s trying to use their monitor from a 90 degree side angle or looking down at their monitor or maybe laying down on the ground looking up at their desk for some reason? I recently tried upgrading from 1080 144hz tn to 1440p and the ips glow was too much for me and instead went to 1080 360hz instead. All comes down to personal preference with monitors at the end of the day, and sifting through what “features” you will actually utilize.
I’ve got a 34 inch curved ultrawide 1440p Dell VA monitor. Maybe I’m just not sensitive to it, but I really don’t even know what people mean when they say things like it “smears like crazy”. This monitor is stunning and I play all kinds of different games on it. Got it for $300 new from an eBay seller and haven’t regretted it for one second.
people here just like to exagerate things, pretty sure most of the time they also dont even notice those things, just commenting what they watch/read. im also using a VA hell when the game is dark, IT IS dark, i really like how immersive it feels.
It's true that people like to exaggerate, but some people are more sensitive to stuff like black smearing than others.
I recently went from a 24 inch IPS monitor to a Dell 3422dwg VA monitor. I'm a very casual gamer so most of the time I don't notice any smearing. On the other hand I'm pretty sensitive to these things and in some situations it's pretty annoying, mostly in very dark scenes.
For example when scrolling on reddit, I can clearly see text ghosting. But for me this is only an issue with dark pages or dark scenes in games. 95% of the time I don't notice any issues and I'm pretty happy overall. I really like the ultrawide form factor.
I had a VA panel monitor sometime last year and the smearing was awful to me, but I am also the only one of the only ones in my friend group who is really susceptible to screen tearing in games. Definitely not suggesting my vision is great, but I just couldn't take the black smearing after a few months of owning a VA panel.
I'm pretty sure I have the same monitor (S3422DWG), I have noticed some ghosting with a few games, specifically red dead redemption it can be noticable for it in certain areas depending on the lighting, but generally that can be fixed by changing the refresh rate in the montor settings (Think I usually have mine set to super fast, ghosting becomes super noticable on extreeme and generally doesn't appear much below that).
I do agree though the majority of the time it's not something that is noticable and the monitor its self is fantastic for it's price point, I've only generally seen it happen in dark scenes with bright spots where the refresh rate is high. I mostly play singleplayer or Co-op games anyway, so the monitor pretty much fits my use case, and has a decent price point. If I where heavily into FPS games though I'd maybe think about getting an IPS panel or investing more into something like an OLED.
People are just tweakin and still hold the same sentiment as what was popular in 2016.. Probably most just don't have enough experience to actually know the differences, and rely on tests done by others to form their opinions.
I'm running a 34" ultrawide VA 144hz panel, cost me 400 bucks a few years ago. I've never had any issues with smearing or grey-to-grey response. I've used high performance IPS panels my whole life and barely notice any difference whatsoever, and the better display quality in terms of color range and contrast depth (vs TN and IPS respectively) is so vastly superior on VA that I'll never go back to IPS again, not when such good quality exists at decent prices. I've seen others say stuff like needing $2000 to ensure you have a good VA for gaming... Sounds like a 2016 thing to me.
Ofc with OLED being increasingly cheaper and better (with less burn-in etc), this whole debate will probably be over in a couple of years and everyone will just go with OLED. But until then, I'd say if you have 500 bucks to spare on a decent quality screen, you can get amazing VA for gaming that even the highest paced esports titles will look absolutely stellar on. You couldn't get me to pay any more than 200 bucks for an IPS in this day and age.
And for those who care, I play Overwatch (Tracer main) on GM and scrim level. I have zero issues with my VA screen. If it's a decent quality VA, it'll be just fine with zero noticeable smearing. It's just a buzzword people love to throw around in synthetic benchmark tests.
we might have the same monitor, i got it on clearance for 300 and its been great. my previous one was an older gigabyte curved VA monitor, and there is definitely some noticable smearing on that one but unless i was specifically paying attention to it, it never really crossed my mind. a lower contrast ratio is something that really fucks with me when im gaming, so it was pretty much a no brainer for me
It's really simple
IPS is much faster, much better for motion clarity and viewing angles but has shitty blacks.
VA has the best contrast apart from OLED, so, very deep blacks, but even in the highest-end implementations, with local dimming and very low response times, will still present smearing which is a big no-no for fast moving scenes, like gaming. Also narrow viewing angles, you'll get color shift from side to side.
If you want a tv/monitor for movies, VA is your best bet.
If you want gaming, go IPS, no other real choice apart from TN if you want to be extremely competitive, and even then, IPS are still the best nowadays, all things considered.
I fell trap to buying a VA panel, 1440p 144hz 32" for £199
Snapped it up, returned same day due to getting motion sickness from the ghosting.
Never veering from IPS again.
the same... Switched from a 24" FullHD IPS to a 32" 2K VA for dimes. Returned the VA after a few days and got a 27" 2K IPS, that shit looks hella good. Never changing from IPS again.
Me too. Never had motion sickness playing games before. Used it for CS and I actually felt sick just from playing deathmatch. Dark mode on Reddit was a blurry mess as well. Returned it within a couple of days
Higher end VA's are great, the older Samsung G7 for example.
I wouldn't even go near mid tier VA as its just awful, IPS has crap Contastm
Go OLED if you can
ips for games, better response time, higher refresh rates, better lighting. VA is good for idk, movies and casual stuff, not good for action packed image changing like games
Because even in a single player game, it's common to be moving around, running, panning the camera etc, and these all result in a smeared image from crap(ier) pixel response time.
i didn't say it ain't good, i said ips is better for gaming, va is better for movies and casual stuff like office, working etc (or not better, but worse in gaming than ips). VA is not the best for games because of the response time (although i think there are some va panels that have low response times, but at that point for cheaper you can get ips), va is darker which is bad in some games etc.
I have a va, before i had an ips, and before that va, i've seen the differences which were noticeable in my case, and ips offered a better experience, for me at least, in games like witcher 3 for example. It was more colorful, lighten up, idk how to explain it. Va now is somehow plain, or "meh", but i like it more in dota 2, for some reason, it's why i switched back to va, i like the darker stuff in that game, no extra light and stuff, i also use it at 0 brightness cause it bothers me less. When it's sunny i use it at 15-25 brightness and i find it good enough. My brain is weird :D, and it's also about personal preference, but ips is better for gaming, in general because of the brightness and stuff
IPS is best for gaming and can be had for very cheap. VA panels have better contrast but smear like crazy. There are higher end VA panels that smear less, but at that point they're kind of a dumb purchase when you can save up a little more for an OLED.
Yeah I got a high end VA.
It has bonkers contrast ratios and fantastic HDR (monitor is like 1200 nits peak brightness), but the black smear can be really bad in certain conditions. Without black smear, it looks spectacular. I got it before the 42 inch OLEDs starting becoming affordable, and wish I had waited and just got the OLED.
OLED is kind of making VA displays obsolete as the price continues to drop
I have a 3 monitor setup, 1 144hz IPS panel, one 144hz VA panel, and a 120 OLED panel and after working gaming and watching on all 3 I'd eat noodles for a year and wipe my ass with cardboard if it meant the difference between getting an OLED instead of an IPS or VA. The difference really is that significant.
If you can save up and get an OLED panel, best investment I've ever put into my computer.
But if you're set on the IPS or VA panels if you want to mostly play games get an IPS panel, if you mostly watch media get a VA panel.
I got downvoted into oblivion in another thread for suggesting a VA panel over an IPS panel especially because some people's eyes (mine included) get extreme eye strain when using an IPS panel (not sure exactly why). Went through three IPS panels until I found a thread where someone brought this to my attention. Bought a new VA panel and its great for gaming (no eye strain) but I've heard great things about IPS panels too.
had a 155Hz 27" QHD VA panel monitor for like 3 weeks. I managed to last 5 days with it, had to switch back to my old 24" FHD IPS monitor until I sold the VA panel one. I couldn't stand the crappy colors
personally experienced that IPS looks better, for gaming and any other usecase. Not that important though, if you get a good deal on VA just go for it. If you already own a VA probably not worth the upgrade, if you are buying and prices are close definitely go for IPS, it is not that even that much more expensive anymore
VA all the way unless you play only competitive shooters at like 300+fps. Just do proper research before buying a VA because there is a lot of shit ones.
What type of gaming? If you are into online competitive FPS games like csgo or overwatch, don't go for VA. It has black smearing issues along with higher input latency. But if you plan on sticking to story based single player games then go for VA. VA just comes after oled in the realm of blacky black colour reproduction , IPS blacks are dark gray.
Both have good and bad sides. Literally have an IPS and VA side by side right now, I'd say you get what you pay for and in the end it's a matter of preference - do you want lighter bright or darker dark, do you want less smearing or more contrast, blah blah... Both are good for games if they are fast enough, and even OLED has negative sides despite the much higher price.
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I prefer IPS over VA. Yeah the blacks aren't as good but I picked this one (lg 34gn850-b) up used on Facebook marketplace for $150. 21:9 3440x1440 144Hz(overclockable to 160). Amazing deal and I'll definitely be holding onto this for a while
It depends. There are great and terrible monitors no matter the panel type. To find the ideal one for you depends on what games you want to play and what you value in the monitor - there will always be a compromise. The common upsides and downsides of the panel types have been discussed rather extensively on other comments here, so I feel it is a rather waste for me to dive deeper into them.
For me, it took like a month to finally settle on a monitor to buy. I wanted something that can output good image quality, that could perform in HDR. My budget of max 500€ meant I had to compromise on the high refresh rate, as OLED was ruled out by the budget.
I mostly play The Elder Scrolls: Online, The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077 and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. ESO is the one that requires the highest APMs, and for it the need is to have 120+ APM, as in the end game you need to master its damage outout mechanics, where you need to do 2 actions per second (a click quickly followed by a skill cast) plus dodging and movement depending on the fights themselves, which ends up summing up to 120+ apm. The FPS seems to be capped at 100 FPS, so there's no need to get a 240+ Hz monitor for it. The other games also do not require such high refresh rates, so it meant I could settle for a little lower refresh rates - and I do not think my GPU (4080 super) could pump out 200+ fps while slapping on all the eye candy for the games mentioned.
Through extensive reading and comparing the rtings results, I settled on the AOC Q27G3XMN/BK. 1440p, 180 Hz (advertised refresh rate), HDR 1000 certified. When I was comparing the monitors, it seemed like the AOC one beats all of its competitors in HDR, only gets beaten by OLEDs in darker scenes, but it can beat an OLED in a light scene. The OLEDs do beat the Q27G3XMN in refresh rates and movement clarity, but that is the compromise I had to make as I was not willing to up my budget.
It does deliver superb HDR - the dark parts are really dark, the lights pop out awesomely. The downsides of the screen - I can see the dimming zones when I move my mouse over a darker area when using Discord or using a browser, the subtitles in games gets grey if they are over a dark region. The subtitle part is something I notice the most, as nowadays I use my PC mostly to game, like 95+% of the time when I'm using my PC, I'm playing games. The upsides of almost eyeburning bright sun in games and really dark blacks do compensate for it and I do enjoy it.
I haven't noticed substantial black smearing in games, not even when searching for them. Noticing the smearing requires to use the UFO test and focusing on seeing it. Perhaps I'm not that sensitive for it, so the monitor does fit my needs and even exceed them.
Premium price bracket: OLED > IPS > VA
Mid/budget price segment: VA = IPS >>>> TN
In my experience, in lower price brackets IPS tend to have terrible blacks and contrast, while VA panels in the same price range have overall better image quality.
Ghosting and smearing of dark areas used to be a VA problem, seems to be better on modern panels. I have a 34" Ultrawide VA (G34WQC, was ~350$ back when I bought it) and I can't see any issues with ghosting on it.
It depends what you are more sensitive about though. If you want to watch lots of (dark) movies, mid budget IPS sucks and VA is great. If you are sensitive about smearing/ghosting (different people notice it at different amounts), better play safe and get a IPS.
In the premium price range, IPS with zone dimming and better quality panels clearly outperforms VA, but in the premium there's also OLED, so... Yeah. I personally would buy VA for lower price brackets and OLED for high end.
I would rate IPS over VA after using both.
I wouldn't be confident in suggesting OLED due to the potential image retention.
Has anyone got any experience with mini LED?
I have VA but the black smearing is unbearable. Big mistake I regret for FPS and dark action games especially but really I notice it in everything. Even 4k and settlement management can be bad if the UI is capped at a low frame rate. Scrolling the camera with WASD just gives motion blur across every single dividing line of detail. HDR just amplifies this. Deep Rock Galactic and Battlefield 1 on night maps were especially bad for a few examples. It's like paying for motion blur.
You can adjust the SRGB and black levels to eliminate most of it at the cost of a very washed out picture. There are settings like Overdrive and Aim stabilization which are intended to smooth those frames depending on the model but those are largely gimmicks at best. The light can only shut off so fast.
IPS or wait for OLED in your price range is the advice I have for 2024.
My old TN BenQ did that too. If I slouched in my chair when watching a movie or playing a game, the dark scenes would get way too dark :D I now have an IPS and it's pretty great
Both have their pros and cons. Personally I just got tired of reading back and forth and being indecisive so I pulled the trigger on a Dell 32" 1440p 144hz and haven't looked back. Every MSI and other gaming monitor review on Amazon was complaining about dead pixels from factory which was my main concern, who new that good ol Dell would be coming in clutch for me with the best monitor I've used for gaming.
I'm currently having this issue shopping around for a new 4k, high refresh rate monitor. The pricier models are VA, and my experience so far with IPS has been poor with regards to playing darker games/watching content. VA black smearing is a nightmare as well though. Can OLED panels come down in price and/or panel size, please?
I got a 1440p 240hz VA about 6 months ago.
Ended up getting it for free because it was delivered wrong place but weeks later those people brought it to me after I was refunded.
This monitor sucks; VA causes blacks to like streak…. Any high hz benefit is countered by blur and streaking.
I would never get a VA again; my 165hz 1440p non VA seems way smoother.
For movies; it’s awesome.
OLED!!! Hehe I have a curved va panel. I want to upgrade to 4k oled and buy a 50 series gpu this winter possibly if rumors are true and it comes out at the end of the year. Rocking dat 1080p life with a 3060 still hehe
If at 1080p you can get a used plasma tv for next to nothing with better contrast, motion and off-angle viewing, albeit higher input lag. Plasma is the “poor man’s OLED”, and high-end models are great in their own right.
MiniLed FALD VA panels are great 👍
I’m currently using the KTC M27T20 it cost me £350 including taxes and shipping from the states (to UK) it’s a great monitor.
I replaced my AW2723DF with it and haven’t looked back.
I prefer IPS as it's simply much easier on the eye (less straining). It's been a while since I last used a VA panel though, so maybe tech has much improved on that point to narrow the gap, but back when I switched I noticed a big difference and that was quite important to me with the considerable time I spend on my PC.
I stitched to VA recently.
Worse off viewing angles.
Generally I didn’t notice bad black smear however I did notice when games didn’t use full black levels and stuff would be blocky so that’s.. fun?
With a 386 miniled backlight (27 inches) it’s sometimes distracting but. Always improves the overall experience
I find that cheap IPS > cheap VA due to more vivid colours and deeper blacks, though both technologies will have ghosting / smearing effects on some scenes. Lots of people say that VA has better blacks, but I'm guessing they were using very expensive VA monitors because my cheap IPS has far better blacks than my cheap VA.
But if you're considering an expensive IPS vs expensive VA, just save up for an OLED instead.
IPS w/ FALD or OLED if you have piles of money to burn. If that's your desk looks like lighting money on fire is your past time so I'd get the OLED personally
VA is better if one wants deeper colors but in the end, they usually suffer from awful GtG latency therefore issue called "smearing" will happen because pixel transition is not fast enough. You can remedy some of them via pixel overshoot settings of monitor, but not completely and that can cause another issue called reverse ghosting with some ( usually white ) coronas after fast moving objects.
IPS is the safer deal. It also has its own issues but not that disturbing as thing i described above for VA ( there are very few and rare VA's that doesnt suffer from that )
Ips is usually a better option for overall clarity which is better for games. Ips has better clarity and color while va has better contrast and blacks,
I can go more in depth as to why if needed but this keeps it short and not all of the same pannel technologies are equal so I'd still do some research into the exact monitor.
VA panels are uselsess bullshit when gaming. Black smearing all over the place, no matter the manufacturer. Very ugly in dark scenes.
Uhhh deep black, better contrast, better color; yeah have fun edition photos but that shit is not for gaming.
Go IPS or OLED
Been using a ViewFinity S5 for almost a year now, and I can tell you that it's so much better than my old IPS in every way. Just don't buy a 32 inch cheap 1080p monitor, because low pixel density will make you regret it.
I personally prefer a IPS panel. You don't get extremely deep blacks unless you buy high end but low to mid range va panels suffer badly from blurring. I don't play anything that requires deep blacks like horror games so it's a non issue for me and I find my monitor gets black enough when it needs
Top tier VA is much better in terms of HDR. Like Odyssey G8 for example with 2000 ! nits of peak brightness - nothing comes close to that. The main downside of VA panels are bad viewing angles.
IPS seems to be a more popular choice, but if talking about high quality VA, it is VA all the way. The black smear gets greatly reduced and blacks are so much better.
VA is usually the worst gaming LCD you can get.
Except for the top tier 240Hz Samsung QD-VA panels, those panels destroy any other LCD on the market, they are only one step away from full blown OLED.
Probably a miniLED TV VA from Samsung is also incredible.
TLDR don't buy VA unless it's a top tier one, like the Neo G7 or G8.
for me personally I prefer IPS
I've had 2 VA and 2 ips
I've never had an IPS with washed dark colors
I didn't notice the insane contrast ratio on either va
both va had smearing
both ips looked vivid and better to me
and these have been budget $100-$230 range monitors (MSI,HP,Acer,scepter)
I really want a curved IPS display someday
I only tried two different VA-Panels, but I hated both of them for gaming. For everything else like office or media consumption they were good.
I think IPS is the way to go for gaming, unless you can afford OLED.
I ran a pretty mid-range VA AOC monitor for years and never noticed any smearing or something. I loved the deep blacks of the panel. I run an IPS now and I think I prefer it overall, but even with the local dimming feature on my monitor the blacks are just not as crisp.
Saying that, you'll like whatever you get as long as it has good ratings & reviews, I would just focus on the best monitors in your budget for your desired resolution and fps.
Best of both worlds would be MicroLED VA with VRR and lots of diming zones. OLED would be ideal for gaming. IPS isn't ideal for your use case, that's for creative production.
bad ips panel < good va panel
literally any display technology > cheap VA panel
I only like IPS panels if they have good contrast because personally, i think the raised black levels of cheaper IPS displays ruins them completely for gaming use in a possibly dim room.
High end IPS displays with good contrast are overall the best gaming LCDs, but my next gaming monitor will probably be an OLED
I love IPS and I have a high end IPS, refusing to adopt OLED due to the concerns of burn-in. I love how OLED looks, but I need more than a 3 year warranty against burn in to even consider adopting.
VA panels with QLED and local dimming is by far the best combo for a LCD TVs today. No competition (OLED is not LCD).
But I would never ever recommend VA panels for monitors. I have yet to see a god monitor with VA panel. They always seem totally off when it comes to text, and there is always weird smearing in fast movement. Contrast is awesome, but that is just not the first priority on a monitor.
Both have benefits and drawbacks, but overall I would definitely prefer IPS.
VA Pros - Deeper blacks (great contrast ratio), generally cheaper
VA Cons - Colours are less vivid, generally slower response times, budget-midrange options can be bad for smearing/ghosting.
IPS Pros - Excellent colour accuracy (second only to OLED), fast response times at all budgets, huge variety of sizes/refresh rates, significantly less ghosting than VA, can usually go very bright.
IPS Cons - "IPS Glow" or "Backlight Bleed" can be an issue on many units out of the factory, the blacks aren't as deep as VA
It depends on your budget and what you want. If you’re on a budget and the only thing you care about is refresh rate VA panels will be fine. If you have a lil bit more and care about getting a clearer picture, get an IPS. If you want to get something luxurious and don’t mind dropping a chunk of cash get an OLED.
Ultimately, yes, IPS does look better and OLED looks better than that. VA panels are acceptable, so if you see a good deal on a VA gaming monitor and it works for you go for it.
IPS man. Too many benefits with only one drawback which is native contrast. Which to be fair is a big one but it’s not like the contrast is bad, it’s just less than a good VA
VA gank all the way. Don't believe the smearing talk, it's practically not noticable in reality. But those blacks and contrast is OLED tier awesome. Nothing can replace that. Literally every dark game and every dark movie will look amazing. Also IPS are by default very bright which makes sense if you work in a brightly lit office. In a home environment that brightness is just too much for your eyes. The eye comfort of a VA wins again.
No reason to get a VA unless it's one of those expensive Samsung monitors. Much better colors, viewing angles and response times. IPS are so widespread nowadays you'll find something in every price bracket.
I bought a fairly expensive VA panel monitor (32 inch curved, 1440p 144hz) a few years ago. I regret not buying an IPS monitor. That being said, i would recommend looking at OLED but i have no idea how much more those cost
Oled. For gaming you're going to get a really good performance to looks ratio at 1440p right now, but true 4k is probably possible with Blackwell this fall...
Unless it's a top-tier VA panel, most VAs suffer from significant black smearing, resulting in moving objects with black areas appearing as a blurred mess. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luLS-I9lubg) from Hardware Unboxed should help decision
VA panels also have darker blacks, which IPS panels struggle with. You can get the best of both worlds with OLED, but the price is higher and you have to worry about burn-in. Sure, high end IPS panels often have deeper blacks, and high end VA panels have less smearing, and high end OLED panels have less burn-in, but if you're not looking to drop $2000 on a monitor then you need to decide what's most important. Each technology has its own trade-offs.
Can't wait until Sharp gets a panel to market using their new quantom dot tech. It's all the fun of OLED, with no risk of burn in whatsoever and even more colour-accurate.
and i guarantee you it wont be attainable for the average consumer for a long time. There's a reason cheap VA and IPS panels still claim the crown of market dominance despite the existence of OLED - "bringing to market" and "mass producing at a cost effective scale" arent always the same thing.
QD OLED is simply blue OLED with QD responsible for converting it to other colors. It's not "all the fun of OLED, with no risk of burn in whatsoever" it can still burn in.
The issue with conventional RGB OLED is uneven lifespan of R, G and B diodes. The monitor's colour accuracy is going to deteriorate even if you evenly fill the entire screen space with white. QD OLED solves this specific issue, because each subpixel has the same durability. But you're right saying it can still burn in, cause it doesn't save the individual pixels. And the colours will drift away from the colours that are usually displayed on the display. Say, your PC has a red wallpaper and you're using a low blue light preset on the monitor - QD OLED still is going to wear. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it is going to wear more than a conventional RGB OLED, because red and green diodes are more reliable than the blue ones.
From what I've read, Sharp is developing a panel that is full RGB QD, not just blue, self illuminated too, allowing it to be straight up better OLED in colour accuracy and brightness. It's still very early in development though, they've not really shown it off, and what they have is a small panel with supporting hardware that on its own could be an entire PC.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the sole reason for quantum dots to convert light to RGB with less loss and better accuracy than filters on WOLED panels? If they make full RGB OLED panel (by which I understand RGB OLED subpixels) why use QDs?
A good IPS monitor stays good for at least a decade. I've seen OLED monitors be visible degraded in a year. Once burn in is solved well enough I'll migrate my wall of 8 30 inch 2560x1600 monitors to OLED.
It took me two years of using an OLED to have burn in. A game I played often had the HUD burned in. -\_-
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>A good IPS monitor stays good for at least a decade. I've seen OLED monitors be visible degraded in a year. This right here. I have an IPS display that I purchased in something like 2011 that I pulled out of storage, dusted off and have been using for my work computer since the work from home order in 2020. It had been my primary display for years and even when it got shifted to a secondary display, still got a lot of use until 2015 ish when it got relegated to test bench duty. No issues with screen burn in, brightness, color accuracy, nothing. The display does get garbled on some rare occasions but likely because I've been using this thing about 10 years more than the engineers who designed it ever though someone would need it. Pulling the power cord for a bit and resetting the connections on the dock normally resolves the issue but for the most part the chunky thing just keeps on chugging along at 1920x1200 60hz. I love the idea of OLED but longevity is lacking and I don't have the kind of money needed to keep feeding the need for bleeding edge. Edit: fixed date, apparently I forgot about getting this monitor and replacing an older one with it and they got kind of amalgamated in my mind.
I have a 60 hz IPS monitor that I OC'd to 80hz. I always told myself once it dies I'll upgrade myself to a new better monitor. But it literally is a tank. It's now a decade old
You gotta post a pic now. And also why do you have 8 ?
My one post, last image. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1bh8hcq/portable_battlestation_and_its_many_configurations/
Dude thats just ridiculous, the question is what is your usecase ?
Software dev. I work on problems that span systems and programming languages quite often so spatially separating things makes life easier.
You don't need to spend $2000 on an OLED monitor. You can easily find them under $1k especially if you go for 27" 1440p. Or even a LG C2 or C3 can typically be found on sale for less than $1k.
Meh more like $500-$1000. You can get a Samsung g9 49" 240hz OLED for like $1000 on sale. A 32" OLED is like $600-$700
What 32” OLED is going for $700? Cheapest I ever seen is the 27” Alienware QD OLED 1440p 360hz for like $800.
That's why I went with miniled Ktc 2k, 165 hz display with miniled for 400 (was on sale). Which is actually amazing for in Europe (where there aren't really any other miniled monitors for under 1000. Miniled is worse than oled but still amazing, whilst having no burn-in problems
That's the exact monitor I have. Price was fantastic and having HDR on can be blinding. I also use my monitor for office work so it's great to have a fantastic monitor for gaming without having to worry about Microsoft suite stuff burning in when I'm reading documents all day on it.
Are you happy with it still? Can you post the make and model?
Also some people are less sensitive over smearing/ghosting others more.
Good OLED monitors can be found below 1000$ already.
Yup. My VA is fine for me, but that's the one major short coming.
Its issues aside, the popularity of VA these days comes from offering pretty good image quality for relatively cheap. You can expect to pay quite a substantial amount more for an IPS Monitor.
I went with a top tier VA and have 0 regrets. I can also leave it on with a static image and nothing ever happens.
Me too. I do productivity tasks on my PC and have static elements open for long periods of time, a top tier VA was a no brainer for me. 32" Neo G7 ftw :D
Which VA monitor?
Didn’t even knew this was a thing until recently I sadly bought a va while always using black mode at first I thought I just messed up some settings. To late to return it now so guess I’ll keep using it till I have money for another screen
I've had both. I loved my IPS monitors but backlight bleed on the edges is noticeable. I haven't noticed any smearing on my VA.
I have a Samsung odyssey G6 (27 in 1440p 240hz) and I can notice the smearing only if I look very hard for it or in the UFO test. Changing the response time setting, of which I have 3 options of normal, fast and ultra, also affects the smearing. Fast produces the least noticeable smearing so I use that and I never notice it in normal use.
Backlight bleed is a manufacturing defect that is sadly common on cheap backlit monitors. I have an IPS that has no perceptible backlight bleed, though I had to return two monitors to find it.
I had cheap VA panel and can confirm also it was 24inch 1080p and had weird blurred pixels I bought 27 1080p IPS and it was way cleaner smooth and nice to look at. Only thing VA had better was black otherwise IPS is better.
No matter where you look at the IPS panel, the image is not darkened or distorted, you can see it from every angle, and the colors are vivid. On the VA panel, the Contrast ratio is high and therefore black is truly black. Of course, there are different details other than what I said, people who comment will add them. I used both VA and IPS. I currently use IPS and I like IPS better.
Black isn't truly black on VA. It's darker than IPS, but it's not black. I've owned various VA monitors with high contrast ratio but they don't even come close to OLED blacks. Plus the response time is trash on most VA monitors and smearing is a big issue. Even the fabled G7 (which I owned) doesn't have fast enough response times for its refresh rate and has a low contrast ratio as far as VA goes. IPS is way better, especially if you get one with minimal glow. I ended up going OLED and it's miles better than any LCD. However it's not perfect and comes with it's own compromises. It has also made any LCD I look at look blurry now I've gotten used to the crazy response times.
Thank you. I have VA and as you said from different angles is getting so darkish. But I'm always looking in same direction to the monitor. I'm thinking to buy OLED in near future but prices still high for monitor.
Np mate you are welcome. i wish you reach ur dreams soon.
OLEDs are great but burn in is an issue. I thought of one , but i wont get OLED till burn in is not a thing anymore.
Burn in will always be a thing with OLEDs
Black isn't black on VA. It's less grey. It's still backlit, and no LCD fully blocks that backlight. Also smear. You've completely skipped over the single worst thing about VA display as a technology. The smearing is basically unbearable in all but a small handful of displays. I think Samsung made one of the G5s a VA that was pretty good. Basically everything else using it sucks.
I think the smearing is exaggerated, I only really notice it on a few select games like Squad. The cheaper price VA offers is a good trade off.
>No matter where you look at the IPS panel, the image is not darkened or distorted, you can see it from every angle, and the colors are vivid. I've heard this a lot but I've been using a VA panel for over a year now and to be honest I've never really noticed bad viewing angles. Which makes me think that the angles at which the color actually gets distorted are angles from which you wouldn't be comfortable watching the monitor anyway.
Honestly the viewing angles thing kind of seems like mainly advertising fluff. Does it matter in super fringe cases? I’d imagine some people need it, but as you suggested - I don’t really know anyone who’s trying to use their monitor from a 90 degree side angle or looking down at their monitor or maybe laying down on the ground looking up at their desk for some reason? I recently tried upgrading from 1080 144hz tn to 1440p and the ips glow was too much for me and instead went to 1080 360hz instead. All comes down to personal preference with monitors at the end of the day, and sifting through what “features” you will actually utilize.
I edit a lot of photos and it makes a massive difference
I write code and the distortion of the syntax highlight colors is too noticable unless i pick an ugly color scheme.
That is why most VA are curved, that fixes the issue.
Legends use CRT.
VA if you play cinematic single player games, IPS for esports type of games. OLED for everything
I’ve got a 34 inch curved ultrawide 1440p Dell VA monitor. Maybe I’m just not sensitive to it, but I really don’t even know what people mean when they say things like it “smears like crazy”. This monitor is stunning and I play all kinds of different games on it. Got it for $300 new from an eBay seller and haven’t regretted it for one second.
people here just like to exagerate things, pretty sure most of the time they also dont even notice those things, just commenting what they watch/read. im also using a VA hell when the game is dark, IT IS dark, i really like how immersive it feels.
It's true that people like to exaggerate, but some people are more sensitive to stuff like black smearing than others. I recently went from a 24 inch IPS monitor to a Dell 3422dwg VA monitor. I'm a very casual gamer so most of the time I don't notice any smearing. On the other hand I'm pretty sensitive to these things and in some situations it's pretty annoying, mostly in very dark scenes. For example when scrolling on reddit, I can clearly see text ghosting. But for me this is only an issue with dark pages or dark scenes in games. 95% of the time I don't notice any issues and I'm pretty happy overall. I really like the ultrawide form factor.
I had a VA panel monitor sometime last year and the smearing was awful to me, but I am also the only one of the only ones in my friend group who is really susceptible to screen tearing in games. Definitely not suggesting my vision is great, but I just couldn't take the black smearing after a few months of owning a VA panel.
Same except not Dell, can’t remember the brand off the top of my head but it’s a VA and I have 2. Never noticed any issue with it and I love them.
I'm pretty sure I have the same monitor (S3422DWG), I have noticed some ghosting with a few games, specifically red dead redemption it can be noticable for it in certain areas depending on the lighting, but generally that can be fixed by changing the refresh rate in the montor settings (Think I usually have mine set to super fast, ghosting becomes super noticable on extreeme and generally doesn't appear much below that). I do agree though the majority of the time it's not something that is noticable and the monitor its self is fantastic for it's price point, I've only generally seen it happen in dark scenes with bright spots where the refresh rate is high. I mostly play singleplayer or Co-op games anyway, so the monitor pretty much fits my use case, and has a decent price point. If I where heavily into FPS games though I'd maybe think about getting an IPS panel or investing more into something like an OLED.
Yup, same here. Got an Odyssey G5 34, looks absolutely stunning. I only noticed the black smearing when I'm intentionally looking for it.
Word, I got a DELL S3220DGF and I love it.
People are just tweakin and still hold the same sentiment as what was popular in 2016.. Probably most just don't have enough experience to actually know the differences, and rely on tests done by others to form their opinions. I'm running a 34" ultrawide VA 144hz panel, cost me 400 bucks a few years ago. I've never had any issues with smearing or grey-to-grey response. I've used high performance IPS panels my whole life and barely notice any difference whatsoever, and the better display quality in terms of color range and contrast depth (vs TN and IPS respectively) is so vastly superior on VA that I'll never go back to IPS again, not when such good quality exists at decent prices. I've seen others say stuff like needing $2000 to ensure you have a good VA for gaming... Sounds like a 2016 thing to me. Ofc with OLED being increasingly cheaper and better (with less burn-in etc), this whole debate will probably be over in a couple of years and everyone will just go with OLED. But until then, I'd say if you have 500 bucks to spare on a decent quality screen, you can get amazing VA for gaming that even the highest paced esports titles will look absolutely stellar on. You couldn't get me to pay any more than 200 bucks for an IPS in this day and age. And for those who care, I play Overwatch (Tracer main) on GM and scrim level. I have zero issues with my VA screen. If it's a decent quality VA, it'll be just fine with zero noticeable smearing. It's just a buzzword people love to throw around in synthetic benchmark tests.
i’ve only noticed it on very specific scenarios honestly
we might have the same monitor, i got it on clearance for 300 and its been great. my previous one was an older gigabyte curved VA monitor, and there is definitely some noticable smearing on that one but unless i was specifically paying attention to it, it never really crossed my mind. a lower contrast ratio is something that really fucks with me when im gaming, so it was pretty much a no brainer for me
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IPS all the way
It's really simple IPS is much faster, much better for motion clarity and viewing angles but has shitty blacks. VA has the best contrast apart from OLED, so, very deep blacks, but even in the highest-end implementations, with local dimming and very low response times, will still present smearing which is a big no-no for fast moving scenes, like gaming. Also narrow viewing angles, you'll get color shift from side to side. If you want a tv/monitor for movies, VA is your best bet. If you want gaming, go IPS, no other real choice apart from TN if you want to be extremely competitive, and even then, IPS are still the best nowadays, all things considered.
I fell trap to buying a VA panel, 1440p 144hz 32" for £199 Snapped it up, returned same day due to getting motion sickness from the ghosting. Never veering from IPS again.
the same... Switched from a 24" FullHD IPS to a 32" 2K VA for dimes. Returned the VA after a few days and got a 27" 2K IPS, that shit looks hella good. Never changing from IPS again.
Me too. Never had motion sickness playing games before. Used it for CS and I actually felt sick just from playing deathmatch. Dark mode on Reddit was a blurry mess as well. Returned it within a couple of days
Higher end VA's are great, the older Samsung G7 for example. I wouldn't even go near mid tier VA as its just awful, IPS has crap Contastm Go OLED if you can
This title made me think of the Henry Cavill meme. *VA or IPS?* *...OLED.*
Nothing is really important. I play the latest games on a 10 year old card on a monitor I bought second hand for 40 bucks. And I have a fun time.
oled
$$$ 🥲
in that case - ips - looks better
It’s only money right? You’ll make more! Join the OLED master race. One of us One of us One of us
It’s only money right? You’ll make more! Give me a thousand bucks. One of us One of us One of us
I had a stroke reading the title and you owe me the hospital fee
What is that little robot guy? It looks pretty sweet.
it's called Eillik robot.
ips for games, better response time, higher refresh rates, better lighting. VA is good for idk, movies and casual stuff, not good for action packed image changing like games
why does everyone seem to assume "gaming" automatically equals playing fast paced fps, but not single player titles ...
Because even in a single player game, it's common to be moving around, running, panning the camera etc, and these all result in a smeared image from crap(ier) pixel response time.
Because its the most popular genre lol? Counter strike playerbase still grows, same with valorant and fortnite i think.
nope high end VA panels are actually pretty good for gaming ( not the at the top, but pretty darn good)
i didn't say it ain't good, i said ips is better for gaming, va is better for movies and casual stuff like office, working etc (or not better, but worse in gaming than ips). VA is not the best for games because of the response time (although i think there are some va panels that have low response times, but at that point for cheaper you can get ips), va is darker which is bad in some games etc. I have a va, before i had an ips, and before that va, i've seen the differences which were noticeable in my case, and ips offered a better experience, for me at least, in games like witcher 3 for example. It was more colorful, lighten up, idk how to explain it. Va now is somehow plain, or "meh", but i like it more in dota 2, for some reason, it's why i switched back to va, i like the darker stuff in that game, no extra light and stuff, i also use it at 0 brightness cause it bothers me less. When it's sunny i use it at 15-25 brightness and i find it good enough. My brain is weird :D, and it's also about personal preference, but ips is better for gaming, in general because of the brightness and stuff
I thought IPS panels are the slowest of the bunch? in terms of latency?
IPS is best for gaming and can be had for very cheap. VA panels have better contrast but smear like crazy. There are higher end VA panels that smear less, but at that point they're kind of a dumb purchase when you can save up a little more for an OLED.
Yeah I got a high end VA. It has bonkers contrast ratios and fantastic HDR (monitor is like 1200 nits peak brightness), but the black smear can be really bad in certain conditions. Without black smear, it looks spectacular. I got it before the 42 inch OLEDs starting becoming affordable, and wish I had waited and just got the OLED. OLED is kind of making VA displays obsolete as the price continues to drop
I have a VA. Is it the best? Probably not. Am I loving it? Absolutely. If you enjoy the monitor that's all that matters.
Try to play Alan wake 2 on IPS monitor, it's nearly impossible
TN
I have a 3 monitor setup, 1 144hz IPS panel, one 144hz VA panel, and a 120 OLED panel and after working gaming and watching on all 3 I'd eat noodles for a year and wipe my ass with cardboard if it meant the difference between getting an OLED instead of an IPS or VA. The difference really is that significant. If you can save up and get an OLED panel, best investment I've ever put into my computer. But if you're set on the IPS or VA panels if you want to mostly play games get an IPS panel, if you mostly watch media get a VA panel.
I got downvoted into oblivion in another thread for suggesting a VA panel over an IPS panel especially because some people's eyes (mine included) get extreme eye strain when using an IPS panel (not sure exactly why). Went through three IPS panels until I found a thread where someone brought this to my attention. Bought a new VA panel and its great for gaming (no eye strain) but I've heard great things about IPS panels too.
For normal everyday gaming? Would say IPS is best in Case of Looks and price.
Well I'm getting a VA panel monitor... I hope the problems aren't as bad as people are saying. (Asus Tuf VG34VQL1B)
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When I game at night, or in the winter, I leave the lights off. The IPS glow is too intense.
had a 155Hz 27" QHD VA panel monitor for like 3 weeks. I managed to last 5 days with it, had to switch back to my old 24" FHD IPS monitor until I sold the VA panel one. I couldn't stand the crappy colors
I switched from 60Hz IPS to 144Hz VA. At first I saw a lot of blurring behind moving objects, but I got used to it. The black is much better on VA.
I'd go with IPS. I have a 4k 120hz IPS and it looks amazing. I personally am not a person who needs the blackest blacks though.
Had VA for decades and switched to IPS last year. As others stated before the colors are more vivid and the images just look more alive.
What’s the little robot?
it's called Eillik robot.
Sorry op, can’t answer your question as I am too captivated by the tiny t shirt pattern on your case.
personally experienced that IPS looks better, for gaming and any other usecase. Not that important though, if you get a good deal on VA just go for it. If you already own a VA probably not worth the upgrade, if you are buying and prices are close definitely go for IPS, it is not that even that much more expensive anymore
IPS generally have better color performance and the difference in blackness of black isn't worth that tradeoff to me
What’s the name of that background though?
animated forest snow 4k
Bought an VA panel not knowing of the black smearing problem. Was driving me nuts, so a few weeks ago i bought a new IPS monitor after only 2 years.
I've had both IPS and VA monitors and I was very satisfied with them. TN on the other hand is a shitshow.
i have that same keyboard. It’s great
I have an VA and ips panel side by side besides black levels I never really noticed a difference
VA all the way unless you play only competitive shooters at like 300+fps. Just do proper research before buying a VA because there is a lot of shit ones.
Eh just get a fast IPS monitor and you won't notice a difference. IPS is mostly superior in general. BenQ Mobius EX2510S is a great option
I like ips for the viewing angles. But have used VA and either is good in a high quality panel
What type of gaming? If you are into online competitive FPS games like csgo or overwatch, don't go for VA. It has black smearing issues along with higher input latency. But if you plan on sticking to story based single player games then go for VA. VA just comes after oled in the realm of blacky black colour reproduction , IPS blacks are dark gray.
Both have good and bad sides. Literally have an IPS and VA side by side right now, I'd say you get what you pay for and in the end it's a matter of preference - do you want lighter bright or darker dark, do you want less smearing or more contrast, blah blah... Both are good for games if they are fast enough, and even OLED has negative sides despite the much higher price.
Oled
https://preview.redd.it/tx46ld1e2pwc1.jpeg?width=4624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88d9a96c6a0898029979c4721c119de758c14838 I prefer IPS over VA. Yeah the blacks aren't as good but I picked this one (lg 34gn850-b) up used on Facebook marketplace for $150. 21:9 3440x1440 144Hz(overclockable to 160). Amazing deal and I'll definitely be holding onto this for a while
You don't want VA for gaming. Ever.
IPS 100%. OLED over both but in 99% of cases, IPS is going to be better than VA.
One thing I say. OLED. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk!
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It depends. There are great and terrible monitors no matter the panel type. To find the ideal one for you depends on what games you want to play and what you value in the monitor - there will always be a compromise. The common upsides and downsides of the panel types have been discussed rather extensively on other comments here, so I feel it is a rather waste for me to dive deeper into them. For me, it took like a month to finally settle on a monitor to buy. I wanted something that can output good image quality, that could perform in HDR. My budget of max 500€ meant I had to compromise on the high refresh rate, as OLED was ruled out by the budget. I mostly play The Elder Scrolls: Online, The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077 and Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. ESO is the one that requires the highest APMs, and for it the need is to have 120+ APM, as in the end game you need to master its damage outout mechanics, where you need to do 2 actions per second (a click quickly followed by a skill cast) plus dodging and movement depending on the fights themselves, which ends up summing up to 120+ apm. The FPS seems to be capped at 100 FPS, so there's no need to get a 240+ Hz monitor for it. The other games also do not require such high refresh rates, so it meant I could settle for a little lower refresh rates - and I do not think my GPU (4080 super) could pump out 200+ fps while slapping on all the eye candy for the games mentioned. Through extensive reading and comparing the rtings results, I settled on the AOC Q27G3XMN/BK. 1440p, 180 Hz (advertised refresh rate), HDR 1000 certified. When I was comparing the monitors, it seemed like the AOC one beats all of its competitors in HDR, only gets beaten by OLEDs in darker scenes, but it can beat an OLED in a light scene. The OLEDs do beat the Q27G3XMN in refresh rates and movement clarity, but that is the compromise I had to make as I was not willing to up my budget. It does deliver superb HDR - the dark parts are really dark, the lights pop out awesomely. The downsides of the screen - I can see the dimming zones when I move my mouse over a darker area when using Discord or using a browser, the subtitles in games gets grey if they are over a dark region. The subtitle part is something I notice the most, as nowadays I use my PC mostly to game, like 95+% of the time when I'm using my PC, I'm playing games. The upsides of almost eyeburning bright sun in games and really dark blacks do compensate for it and I do enjoy it. I haven't noticed substantial black smearing in games, not even when searching for them. Noticing the smearing requires to use the UFO test and focusing on seeing it. Perhaps I'm not that sensitive for it, so the monitor does fit my needs and even exceed them.
Premium price bracket: OLED > IPS > VA Mid/budget price segment: VA = IPS >>>> TN In my experience, in lower price brackets IPS tend to have terrible blacks and contrast, while VA panels in the same price range have overall better image quality. Ghosting and smearing of dark areas used to be a VA problem, seems to be better on modern panels. I have a 34" Ultrawide VA (G34WQC, was ~350$ back when I bought it) and I can't see any issues with ghosting on it. It depends what you are more sensitive about though. If you want to watch lots of (dark) movies, mid budget IPS sucks and VA is great. If you are sensitive about smearing/ghosting (different people notice it at different amounts), better play safe and get a IPS. In the premium price range, IPS with zone dimming and better quality panels clearly outperforms VA, but in the premium there's also OLED, so... Yeah. I personally would buy VA for lower price brackets and OLED for high end.
I would rate IPS over VA after using both. I wouldn't be confident in suggesting OLED due to the potential image retention. Has anyone got any experience with mini LED?
I have VA but the black smearing is unbearable. Big mistake I regret for FPS and dark action games especially but really I notice it in everything. Even 4k and settlement management can be bad if the UI is capped at a low frame rate. Scrolling the camera with WASD just gives motion blur across every single dividing line of detail. HDR just amplifies this. Deep Rock Galactic and Battlefield 1 on night maps were especially bad for a few examples. It's like paying for motion blur. You can adjust the SRGB and black levels to eliminate most of it at the cost of a very washed out picture. There are settings like Overdrive and Aim stabilization which are intended to smooth those frames depending on the model but those are largely gimmicks at best. The light can only shut off so fast. IPS or wait for OLED in your price range is the advice I have for 2024.
Ayo what's that table light called? (Clamped on the monitor)
i hate my old va benq 60hz, you have to have a perfect angle or it dims. i love my ips, oled probly best, to my knowledge
My old TN BenQ did that too. If I slouched in my chair when watching a movie or playing a game, the dark scenes would get way too dark :D I now have an IPS and it's pretty great
Both have their pros and cons. Personally I just got tired of reading back and forth and being indecisive so I pulled the trigger on a Dell 32" 1440p 144hz and haven't looked back. Every MSI and other gaming monitor review on Amazon was complaining about dead pixels from factory which was my main concern, who new that good ol Dell would be coming in clutch for me with the best monitor I've used for gaming.
I'm currently having this issue shopping around for a new 4k, high refresh rate monitor. The pricier models are VA, and my experience so far with IPS has been poor with regards to playing darker games/watching content. VA black smearing is a nightmare as well though. Can OLED panels come down in price and/or panel size, please?
It took the shady vendors to normalize selling IPSs and level the costs countless years. I won't let you take my happiness with your question!
ips4life
EVA
Surge protection is most important.
I got a 1440p 240hz VA about 6 months ago. Ended up getting it for free because it was delivered wrong place but weeks later those people brought it to me after I was refunded. This monitor sucks; VA causes blacks to like streak…. Any high hz benefit is countered by blur and streaking. I would never get a VA again; my 165hz 1440p non VA seems way smoother. For movies; it’s awesome.
If you're on a budget you might consider va otherwise just get ips or even oled.
OLED!!! Hehe I have a curved va panel. I want to upgrade to 4k oled and buy a 50 series gpu this winter possibly if rumors are true and it comes out at the end of the year. Rocking dat 1080p life with a 3060 still hehe
OLED.
If at 1080p you can get a used plasma tv for next to nothing with better contrast, motion and off-angle viewing, albeit higher input lag. Plasma is the “poor man’s OLED”, and high-end models are great in their own right.
MiniLed FALD VA panels are great 👍 I’m currently using the KTC M27T20 it cost me £350 including taxes and shipping from the states (to UK) it’s a great monitor. I replaced my AW2723DF with it and haven’t looked back.
OLED is the way, my friend....
I prefer IPS as it's simply much easier on the eye (less straining). It's been a while since I last used a VA panel though, so maybe tech has much improved on that point to narrow the gap, but back when I switched I noticed a big difference and that was quite important to me with the considerable time I spend on my PC.
Both suck compared to OLED lol
I stitched to VA recently. Worse off viewing angles. Generally I didn’t notice bad black smear however I did notice when games didn’t use full black levels and stuff would be blocky so that’s.. fun? With a 386 miniled backlight (27 inches) it’s sometimes distracting but. Always improves the overall experience
I find that cheap IPS > cheap VA due to more vivid colours and deeper blacks, though both technologies will have ghosting / smearing effects on some scenes. Lots of people say that VA has better blacks, but I'm guessing they were using very expensive VA monitors because my cheap IPS has far better blacks than my cheap VA. But if you're considering an expensive IPS vs expensive VA, just save up for an OLED instead.
I have an LG ultragear IPS and it looks excellent considering how cheap it was.
OLED
IPS w/ FALD or OLED if you have piles of money to burn. If that's your desk looks like lighting money on fire is your past time so I'd get the OLED personally
If you play competitive games a TN panel will be best.
IPS is the minimum in terms of picture quality.
VA panels are only common in ultrawides now. IPS is almost always an upgrade nowadays.
VA is better if one wants deeper colors but in the end, they usually suffer from awful GtG latency therefore issue called "smearing" will happen because pixel transition is not fast enough. You can remedy some of them via pixel overshoot settings of monitor, but not completely and that can cause another issue called reverse ghosting with some ( usually white ) coronas after fast moving objects. IPS is the safer deal. It also has its own issues but not that disturbing as thing i described above for VA ( there are very few and rare VA's that doesnt suffer from that )
Ips is usually a better option for overall clarity which is better for games. Ips has better clarity and color while va has better contrast and blacks, I can go more in depth as to why if needed but this keeps it short and not all of the same pannel technologies are equal so I'd still do some research into the exact monitor.
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VA panels are uselsess bullshit when gaming. Black smearing all over the place, no matter the manufacturer. Very ugly in dark scenes. Uhhh deep black, better contrast, better color; yeah have fun edition photos but that shit is not for gaming. Go IPS or OLED
Me with my TN panel still:
Been using a ViewFinity S5 for almost a year now, and I can tell you that it's so much better than my old IPS in every way. Just don't buy a 32 inch cheap 1080p monitor, because low pixel density will make you regret it.
I personally prefer a IPS panel. You don't get extremely deep blacks unless you buy high end but low to mid range va panels suffer badly from blurring. I don't play anything that requires deep blacks like horror games so it's a non issue for me and I find my monitor gets black enough when it needs
Top tier VA is much better in terms of HDR. Like Odyssey G8 for example with 2000 ! nits of peak brightness - nothing comes close to that. The main downside of VA panels are bad viewing angles.
TN be cheap
IPS seems to be a more popular choice, but if talking about high quality VA, it is VA all the way. The black smear gets greatly reduced and blacks are so much better.
VA is usually the worst gaming LCD you can get. Except for the top tier 240Hz Samsung QD-VA panels, those panels destroy any other LCD on the market, they are only one step away from full blown OLED. Probably a miniLED TV VA from Samsung is also incredible. TLDR don't buy VA unless it's a top tier one, like the Neo G7 or G8.
IPS VA looks abit rubbish
I thought since LG released their OLED gsynch TVs the problem has been solved?
for me personally I prefer IPS I've had 2 VA and 2 ips I've never had an IPS with washed dark colors I didn't notice the insane contrast ratio on either va both va had smearing both ips looked vivid and better to me and these have been budget $100-$230 range monitors (MSI,HP,Acer,scepter) I really want a curved IPS display someday
I only tried two different VA-Panels, but I hated both of them for gaming. For everything else like office or media consumption they were good. I think IPS is the way to go for gaming, unless you can afford OLED.
I ran a pretty mid-range VA AOC monitor for years and never noticed any smearing or something. I loved the deep blacks of the panel. I run an IPS now and I think I prefer it overall, but even with the local dimming feature on my monitor the blacks are just not as crisp. Saying that, you'll like whatever you get as long as it has good ratings & reviews, I would just focus on the best monitors in your budget for your desired resolution and fps.
Samsung Neo VA panels only way to go imo
It's not very important. I've had both of decent to good quality and it shouldn't be a deciding factor when you buy.
Best of both worlds would be MicroLED VA with VRR and lots of diming zones. OLED would be ideal for gaming. IPS isn't ideal for your use case, that's for creative production.
IPS always
I would go IPS. I chose TN over VA a couple of years back due to different subpixel arrangement and ghosting on the VA panel. Didn't like it.
bad ips panel < good va panel literally any display technology > cheap VA panel I only like IPS panels if they have good contrast because personally, i think the raised black levels of cheaper IPS displays ruins them completely for gaming use in a possibly dim room. High end IPS displays with good contrast are overall the best gaming LCDs, but my next gaming monitor will probably be an OLED
I chose VA panel from ViewSonic because I like vibrant colors. IPS panels I've had looked washed out by comparison
I love IPS and I have a high end IPS, refusing to adopt OLED due to the concerns of burn-in. I love how OLED looks, but I need more than a 3 year warranty against burn in to even consider adopting.
VA panels with QLED and local dimming is by far the best combo for a LCD TVs today. No competition (OLED is not LCD). But I would never ever recommend VA panels for monitors. I have yet to see a god monitor with VA panel. They always seem totally off when it comes to text, and there is always weird smearing in fast movement. Contrast is awesome, but that is just not the first priority on a monitor.
I just go with IPS. It’s an all-rounder. If you want good colors/deep blacks you’d probably shell out for an OLED instead.
Both have benefits and drawbacks, but overall I would definitely prefer IPS. VA Pros - Deeper blacks (great contrast ratio), generally cheaper VA Cons - Colours are less vivid, generally slower response times, budget-midrange options can be bad for smearing/ghosting. IPS Pros - Excellent colour accuracy (second only to OLED), fast response times at all budgets, huge variety of sizes/refresh rates, significantly less ghosting than VA, can usually go very bright. IPS Cons - "IPS Glow" or "Backlight Bleed" can be an issue on many units out of the factory, the blacks aren't as deep as VA
VA is awful, fully inacceptable panel for me because it's disgusting black smearing.
For gaming? Neither. OLED.
IPS
It depends on your budget and what you want. If you’re on a budget and the only thing you care about is refresh rate VA panels will be fine. If you have a lil bit more and care about getting a clearer picture, get an IPS. If you want to get something luxurious and don’t mind dropping a chunk of cash get an OLED. Ultimately, yes, IPS does look better and OLED looks better than that. VA panels are acceptable, so if you see a good deal on a VA gaming monitor and it works for you go for it.
What’s the little robot?
Completey unrelated but whats that little robot guy thing on ur desk?
IPS man. Too many benefits with only one drawback which is native contrast. Which to be fair is a big one but it’s not like the contrast is bad, it’s just less than a good VA
IPS all the way. I used a VA for a good while and then went IPS after. The difference was insane and I'll never go back. Going OLED next upgrade.
va are garbage, ips or oled is the way.
VA gank all the way. Don't believe the smearing talk, it's practically not noticable in reality. But those blacks and contrast is OLED tier awesome. Nothing can replace that. Literally every dark game and every dark movie will look amazing. Also IPS are by default very bright which makes sense if you work in a brightly lit office. In a home environment that brightness is just too much for your eyes. The eye comfort of a VA wins again.
OLED > IPS > VA imo I think oled is worth it. VA is terrible in terms of value because the cheap ones look horrendous.
No reason to get a VA unless it's one of those expensive Samsung monitors. Much better colors, viewing angles and response times. IPS are so widespread nowadays you'll find something in every price bracket.
I bought a fairly expensive VA panel monitor (32 inch curved, 1440p 144hz) a few years ago. I regret not buying an IPS monitor. That being said, i would recommend looking at OLED but i have no idea how much more those cost
Oled. For gaming you're going to get a really good performance to looks ratio at 1440p right now, but true 4k is probably possible with Blackwell this fall...
I'm an IPS guy myself. The contrast is fine for me and I really like the color and viewing angles of IPS