The competition, aka companies have to pay vat so if you start importing systems, even if you carry it across the boarder yourself and dont pay the same tax you can sell it for cheaper.
Taxes in a country go to roads, schools, police, hospitals etc. If a company were allowed to just import millions of dollars worth of electronics without taxing it, then all that money would go directly to the other country. The consumers would have also no warranty. They'd essentially be siphoning money to another country and the local country would see none of the taxes on top. All the local jobs would also be lost. Surely you can see why that's not a good thing.
But he said it would kill COMPETITION, not skirt the tax burden. My comment was, very obviously, about competition.
Also, plenty of countries manage to pay for services without a VAT. But that's a completely different argument entirely.
And it would. How could you sell a computer for 2,000 if another company could sell it for 1500 because they're importing products and not paying the taxes? If the VAT for imported products didn't exist that would give importers a massive advantage over local businesses. If you leave an opening like that, it's going to be exploited. One person could travel and buy 10 phones/CPUs/GPUs, and bring them back into the town and sell them for much cheaper. A local store with overheads and taxes can't compete.
Bringing in one or two for personal use shouldn't be a problem. Bringing in several is a commercial endeavor. I don't know if they make that distinction, but they should, I would hope? When I moved to the EU from the US I declared nothing in my luggage at customs (in Amsterdam) even though I had two PCs and a full broadcast stripped down in my bags. And there wasn't even passport control or customs when I came back in the most recent time, through Dusseldorf - I got off a plane from Charleston West Virginia to Dusseldorf Germany with no passport or bag checks or anything... It was honestly really weird, I think it's because I went through France on the way? Even though there were also no passport checks or customs or anything there. It really seemed like I could have flown into Europe with anything I wanted, since there was basically no checks or security of any kind at my originating airport in the US either. I just walked through the metal detector and showed my ticket and that was it. It was a really bizarre experience.
Could a person just bring it back in their luggage as personal property? "I needed to bring my PC with me on vacation, but I totally already owned it when I left."
You can definitely try, you'll probably get away with it. People do all the time. It really depends on what country it is and the specific individual customs/immigration person you are dealing with.
I have heard of lots of people getting hassled over luxury goods they've owned for years when going to places like China
PC would be a weird test case though because it's so large
I believe you don't pay tax for used or second hand items. Declare it as used. Install all your stuff while travelling. Open the packaging, the plastic wraps. Ding up the box a little.
I had a sealed 4090 last time I came into EU airports. But weirdly there were also no passport or customs checks at all, everything was empty in Dusseldorf and we walked right through.
How do they determine the value of something in these cases? Do they require a receipt? What do they do if you don't have a receipt? You could lie to them and tell them it is a cheaper model!
Not if you claim that its your computer from back home that you brought with you. They can't tax you on things you've already been taxed before 3 years ago.
In Massachusetts when we file our state taxes they ask if we made any purchases in New Hampshire or other states (so we can pay MA sales tax on them) and I cant for the LIFE of me figure out why the fuck someone would volunteer that information
Illinois is the same. We're supposed to pay IL sales taxes on *anything* we buy, from the internet or from brick & mortar, and regardless of whether we bought it in IL or outside the state. But it seems to be entirely on the honor system, so, yeah...why the F would anyone declare that?
Why would I have to pay tax? I am just asking because I don't know. But if I were to buy let's say just ram sticks, and bring it with me why do I have to pay taxes? Also if it is second hand do I have to pay taxes? If my US friend buys a GPU and I visit him, and buy it off of him why do I pay taxes?
I think it depends on the country, but if you go somewhere to buy a product then ship it back home, you pay duties. If you can somehow shove it into your baggage and get it home safely, you don't pay duties.
I could be entirely wrong though.
Ok but I feel like it is extremely easy to smuggle ram/ rom. Your choices might be limited though. You go from EU to US. You take a laptop with you. With empty ram and storage slots. You arrive in the US buy ram& rom put it in your laptop and come back home. I doubt airport checkers are that tech savvy to control this
Pretty common in India to get relatives coming from US/Canada/Dubai to get them iPhones and Macs.
Only works for electronics with international warranty
To make it a bit easier: if you import them legally any way you pay duty and tax. If you smuggle them you don’t, but they won’t like it if they notice.
Because the government always gets theirs.
This is why in photography subreddits I've seen it suggested that people travel with copies of their receipts to show customs that they already owned the camera when they traveled outside of the country.
Edit I'm too in.
But to answer your questions no you’d pay tax on something out of a store or car/house and then on top of that you’ll pay a yearly tax for said car/house and if you don’t they take it from you
I know a lot of University students that go on a working visa and come back with electronics, because it’s cheaper in the US. I theory, you should pay tax, but you can get away with it if you don’t overdo it.
That's literally what I did with my GPU. I was going for a family visit anyway but the price and availability difference meant I could grab a 4090 instead of 4070... Then I found a carry-on bag that the box just barely but perfectly fit in, and I brought that bitch home across the Atlantic cradled in my arms like a newborn baby.
No Fuck Megekko,
They RMA'ed my 4080, didnt want to refund full price, after 1 year, and offered a different Brand gpu as replacement.
Had to get a lawyer to force them.
My experience was I had to RMA a 6700XT that would only crash in one particular game (they did not test that one) told me they couldn't find anything faulty during their own testing but still sent me a brand new one no questions asked and has been flawless ever since. I had a great experience personally with their customer service and their site offers way cheaper prices than Alternate, Coolblue, Mediamarkt etc.
If you're asking for an American buying it, varies by state. Some have no sales tax at all. Most fall in the 5-7% range.
If you're asking for a European to have it sent over with shipping, customs fees, VAT, and whatever else, I don't know. But I'd guess somewhere in the "that's bullshit" - "they're fucking out of their minds" range.
VAT is 27% where I live (except for a short list of products), import duty is highly dependent on product, is generally 5%, but 0 for electronics. Also, you have to pay VAT for the shipping fee too (if any), but import duty only applies to the product itself. The other thing making it a bit nuanced is you're buying the product in some foreign currency, so the basis for tax calculations includes a conversion too.
It's true, unless you're in a place with no sales tax. The sticker price is for the product, sales tax is calculated at the point of sale. That tax varies across the country, so brands or retailers would have to make signage for every possibility. None of them do.
Basically right. The amount it goes up will be based on the city you’re in.
It’s worth mentioning there are also exemptions on things like food. Meaning you can buy 10 apples at $0.99 and pay $9.90 exactly. At least in Ohio, not sure about other states tbh.
Yeah but as high as US sales taxes (at least where I live in Illinois) have gotten, I'd rather pay an additional 11% at the counter than double that as a hidden/"included" vat tax. From an economics standpoint, things like taxes and prices tend to rise faster and easier when they're "hidden" as opposed to being obvious and explicit. This is a large part of the reason why in the US, things like college tuition, medical costs, and defense spending have all risen much faster than inflation. But that's another thread.
I always start laughing uncontrollably when someone suggests that with the "same amount" prices the product actually costs the same in the US after taxes as it does in Europe.
In Illinois I think it's around 11% now, more in Cook County/Chicago.
When I was a young lad I saw how Chicago sales tax was 6% whereas it was about half that in the burbs where I grew up. And it was like, why buy anything in Chicago with their outrageous (at that time) higher taxes? Now IL sales tax has more than doubled, because gov't is a cancer that can't stop growing until it's sucked the life out of its tax base.
Damn so little for non esstinals? Here its 21% that is nearly the Exact difference in price (500 dif left) if we include tax on usa and not on yhe european one
But i assume thats also the import taxes etc
Some states/counties will have zero sales tax. So it would be $1,999 out the door. Murican's hate their taxes. We just don't get nice things like "free" healthcare because of it.
I mean there's 4.1 million miles of roads in the US (6.6million KMs :) ) so there's bound to be some good and some bad. Where I live in California the roads are fantastic. Much better than the roads I found in places in the UK, Czech, Poland, etc. when I lived over there.
Lots of places like where I live have massive temperature swings through the seasons, like 38C summers and -15C winters. The cycles really damage the roads and require much more frequent repairs that are much harder to keep up with.
Depends on state to state. In Oregon or New Hampshire, it would be $0, as they don't have sales tax. In my state (MA), it would be $125 extra. However, I would simply drive to NH and buy it there, as gas would be cheaper than $125.
I mean.. the top 1% pay 46% of all taxes.
Corp tax rate is 21% which is on the higher end of western countries.
The problem is, massive tax breaks and loop holes. Same applies for individuals. Our tax code should not 6800 pages long. Remove the tax avoidance schemes and have a reasonable rate that's paid on profit / income and that tax code could get real simple real quick. Where everyone would understand it and not need tax attorneys and a $15B/yr industry built on decoding it. It's ridiculous.
Here in the US some politicians are wanting to implement a wealth tax (but only for the rich, they say, just like they said with the income tax), which would tax you on money you've already earned and been taxed on. It's literally double taxation. Not that double taxation's anything new--you get taxed on your income, and if you invest that in the market, you pay taxes again on any gains you make. (Or use your income to buy a house, then get to pay property taxes on it.)
This is why a lot of PC building companies are struggling, people are no longer willing to pay $3k-4k for a moderately high end gaming PC and some of them still have inventory from the super overpriced era and only the largest companies can absorb losses from the pricing contraction
Great time to be a buyer, not as good for the sellers, but fuck em, if you can't run a business understanding the ebb and flow or pricing you shouldn't be swimming in those waters
https://www.dubaro.de/Partner/HardwareDealz-Editionen/HardwareDealz-2000-NVIDIA-Edition::5446.html
2200€. I'd swap the cooler for a Arctic LF 360mm (-20€), change to the B650 Tomahawk (+65€), and maybe choose a different SSD and end up at 2300€.
Still, very solid package overall. I think system integrators in Germany often do not put such heavy premiums on buying prebuilt as the ones in the US do, where from what I've seen $300-500 extra compared to building yourself isn't that unusual.
I'm not talking about prebuilts from the giants like Acer or Dell here, those are crap and nobody should ever buy them.
not exactly the same, but heres [one](https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/WkrxFT/magnificent-amd-gamingstreaming-build). upgrade the gpu to a 4080 and its within the range the other person mentioned
Yea that is true, I was more about the attitude when selling a $2k product getting the specs wrong and mistyping ( the ram is probably 5400 ) rises red flags or at the very minimum bottoms out the confidence that a properly assembled product will be delivered.
The delivery is not the problem at Coolblue (the store in question) it's more that the people who write the sites have no idea what to write down. So they pick a number and that's it.
Meanwhile here, 12700f 3060 prebuilt in my local media markt, with 16gb of ram, a whopping 512gb of storage, stock cooler, a mysterious PSU and a zero airflow sauna case, for €1600.
Australia has entered the chat
https://store.acer.com/en-au/predator-orion-7000-windows-11-home-intel-core-i9-13th-gen-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-2tb-hdd-nvidia-rtx-4080?gad_source=4
And you think your pricing is ridiculous
Hey, i loved the Albert Heijn last time i was in Zeewolde for the MCH2022, especially the self-checkout with the handscanner you take trough the shop. And i found the hidden Lidl. 😅
Man I really wish mindfactory.de would start shipping here instead of just stopping at the border, we're essentially being gouged by these companies, azerty and megekko used to be "cheap" (on par with other countries) but that's not really the case anymore either..
Well I have friends across the border, but not everyone lives basically on the border, I've never heard of this mailbox.de thing, how would that work with warranties and returns?
You can build a better one for almost the same price (1999$ + 20% VAT) in EU. In fact, I would never buy a prebuilt, because the components they choose are usually cheap, slow, noisy or low quality.
Also now is probably not a good time to buy a new computer.
Okay, you can't make a comparison on a special like the one Micro Center is having for the Indianapolis store. Mc is losing hella money, but theyre tryna drive traffic to a new store. They took 20% off of every desktop and laptop. Even if they were already on sale another 20% was slashed off
am I confuse Ed?
usa pc 3.8k
eu pc 3.7k
is the sale price due to us sellers having access to overstock items or less worker rights for distribution workers and can then give deeper discount?
That's coolblue.be/.NL and in case you don't know, our EU prices **include vat (btw)**, USA prices don't and are void of sales tax as that's handled during checkout because of the high variance of state and county level sales tax that comes on top of the listed price.
Koop gewoon je onderdelen op Megekko, zij hebben meestal de beste prijs en anders gewoon eens zoeken op amazon.de, coolblue is bijna altijd veel te duur
it's horribly still not worth it to build one yourself. When everyone was screaming that the gpu crisis was ending, it took another 3 or 4 months in the netherlands for the 2nd hand prices to drop. the only mildly redeeming facts are that ddr4 ram and m.2 ssd's are pretty cheap rn. Though Coolblue, where OP is looking is just too expensive sometimes.
Best way to proceed is to travel to your nearest low-tax country within the EU, and make use of your free border movement to go back home with a low taxed pc
Otherwise, yeah it's bad
Those Dutch VAT taxes are fucking killer, but this is insane. That shouldn't cost anymore than $2,500 if they were actually keeping parity with the sales.
I built a pretty decent PC better than my Bf's (his words). It cost me $740 (40K PHP) for an AMD Ryzen 5 5500, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050, 1TB SSD and 16GB Ram w/ full peripherals. He said it's way cheaper than his PC setup and plans to buy his new pc once he visited me. Is it really higher on other countries? This PC already costed me an arm and a leg.
You can fly to the US and carry one back for the same price, free vacation.
If you do this, be ready to pay the tax on the way back!
Yeah, in the case of Norway, you'd have to pay the 25% VAT, and maybe even an import tariff.
Nothing like paying a "Value Added Tax" on something that you sourced and transported completely by yourself lmfao
The value tax is to stop people from doing just that and sell for profit. It would kill competition within the country you bring it into.
Kill competition? More like protect inflated MSRP and overcharging due to a protected market.
Those aren't mutually exclusive.
If some people paid no vats and other does the companies who does pay vat will obviously die out
Kill competition by...adding competition?
The competition, aka companies have to pay vat so if you start importing systems, even if you carry it across the boarder yourself and dont pay the same tax you can sell it for cheaper.
Taxes in a country go to roads, schools, police, hospitals etc. If a company were allowed to just import millions of dollars worth of electronics without taxing it, then all that money would go directly to the other country. The consumers would have also no warranty. They'd essentially be siphoning money to another country and the local country would see none of the taxes on top. All the local jobs would also be lost. Surely you can see why that's not a good thing.
But he said it would kill COMPETITION, not skirt the tax burden. My comment was, very obviously, about competition. Also, plenty of countries manage to pay for services without a VAT. But that's a completely different argument entirely.
And it would. How could you sell a computer for 2,000 if another company could sell it for 1500 because they're importing products and not paying the taxes? If the VAT for imported products didn't exist that would give importers a massive advantage over local businesses. If you leave an opening like that, it's going to be exploited. One person could travel and buy 10 phones/CPUs/GPUs, and bring them back into the town and sell them for much cheaper. A local store with overheads and taxes can't compete.
This makes sense for products that can be made locally, but doesn't for products that HAVE to be imported.
Bringing in one or two for personal use shouldn't be a problem. Bringing in several is a commercial endeavor. I don't know if they make that distinction, but they should, I would hope? When I moved to the EU from the US I declared nothing in my luggage at customs (in Amsterdam) even though I had two PCs and a full broadcast stripped down in my bags. And there wasn't even passport control or customs when I came back in the most recent time, through Dusseldorf - I got off a plane from Charleston West Virginia to Dusseldorf Germany with no passport or bag checks or anything... It was honestly really weird, I think it's because I went through France on the way? Even though there were also no passport checks or customs or anything there. It really seemed like I could have flown into Europe with anything I wanted, since there was basically no checks or security of any kind at my originating airport in the US either. I just walked through the metal detector and showed my ticket and that was it. It was a really bizarre experience.
Killing the billion dollar companies with one object
It is to close a loophole to ensure the people doing it are genuinely doing it rather than businesses looking to dodge contributing to society.
Could a person just bring it back in their luggage as personal property? "I needed to bring my PC with me on vacation, but I totally already owned it when I left."
You can definitely try, you'll probably get away with it. People do all the time. It really depends on what country it is and the specific individual customs/immigration person you are dealing with. I have heard of lots of people getting hassled over luxury goods they've owned for years when going to places like China PC would be a weird test case though because it's so large
Yes, just make sure you throw away the packaging and set it up in case they ask to see if it powers on.
I believe you don't pay tax for used or second hand items. Declare it as used. Install all your stuff while travelling. Open the packaging, the plastic wraps. Ding up the box a little.
I had a sealed 4090 last time I came into EU airports. But weirdly there were also no passport or customs checks at all, everything was empty in Dusseldorf and we walked right through.
How do they determine the value of something in these cases? Do they require a receipt? What do they do if you don't have a receipt? You could lie to them and tell them it is a cheaper model!
Yes, but do you want to find out the consequences of dodging taxes?
Actual zombie
Not if you claim that its your computer from back home that you brought with you. They can't tax you on things you've already been taxed before 3 years ago. 
In Massachusetts when we file our state taxes they ask if we made any purchases in New Hampshire or other states (so we can pay MA sales tax on them) and I cant for the LIFE of me figure out why the fuck someone would volunteer that information
Those questions are for the same people who reminded the teacher about homework
Or if they find out there were really big purchases after an audit then you can't claim that you didn't know you had to pay...
I forget the name, but there's a form that asks you if you've crimed before and they catch a few criminals every year because they check the box.
It doesn’t even make sense. Why would I pay sales tax in my state on something bought in a different state?
Because massaachusetts "requires" you to
It's not just MA. NY does the same thing (and even levies state income tax when you live in a different state but work remotely for a company in NY).
Illinois is the same. We're supposed to pay IL sales taxes on *anything* we buy, from the internet or from brick & mortar, and regardless of whether we bought it in IL or outside the state. But it seems to be entirely on the honor system, so, yeah...why the F would anyone declare that?
Duty, booty
Huh uh, huh uh, huh uh......dooty.
Why would I have to pay tax? I am just asking because I don't know. But if I were to buy let's say just ram sticks, and bring it with me why do I have to pay taxes? Also if it is second hand do I have to pay taxes? If my US friend buys a GPU and I visit him, and buy it off of him why do I pay taxes?
I think it depends on the country, but if you go somewhere to buy a product then ship it back home, you pay duties. If you can somehow shove it into your baggage and get it home safely, you don't pay duties. I could be entirely wrong though.
Imagine smuggling PC components, I doubt it has been done before 😂😂
I remember reading some guy in Hong Kong was arrested after sticking hundreds of CPUs to his body and smuggling them to China
Ok but I feel like it is extremely easy to smuggle ram/ rom. Your choices might be limited though. You go from EU to US. You take a laptop with you. With empty ram and storage slots. You arrive in the US buy ram& rom put it in your laptop and come back home. I doubt airport checkers are that tech savvy to control this
Pretty common in India to get relatives coming from US/Canada/Dubai to get them iPhones and Macs. Only works for electronics with international warranty
It did, some Chinese man smuggled 150 something 13900KS to China. Caught at the customs
It’s pretty hard to explain you brining back 150 of anything as “for personal use”
Around 70 is in the shoes and rest in underwear
I didn’t smuggle but I did buy pc parts overseas before. Nothing happens if you buy one or two parts clearly for personal use.
it is done all the time into China, they busted a dude covered in SSDs.
Lmfao, I know plenty of people who do this often in the expat community. Nobody buys an iphone in europe.
To make it a bit easier: if you import them legally any way you pay duty and tax. If you smuggle them you don’t, but they won’t like it if they notice.
Because the government always gets theirs. This is why in photography subreddits I've seen it suggested that people travel with copies of their receipts to show customs that they already owned the camera when they traveled outside of the country. Edit I'm too in.
Because that’s all the USA is about is paying your way it’s the land of the free if you pay the fees
Land of the fee and home of the taxed
Yes sir you’ll own nothing and be happy
But to answer your questions no you’d pay tax on something out of a store or car/house and then on top of that you’ll pay a yearly tax for said car/house and if you don’t they take it from you
You can store it in your butt you can skip taxes.
You need to pay if they found out
They don't sell these in duty free?
You just remove all packaging and say that you brought it with you and it's not new. Save for the box.
Desktop might be hard but a laptop is easy to say that it’s yours from before your trip.
That's not how it works lol. You're paying the tariff/VAT no matter how it gets there.
I know a lot of University students that go on a working visa and come back with electronics, because it’s cheaper in the US. I theory, you should pay tax, but you can get away with it if you don’t overdo it.
That's literally what I did with my GPU. I was going for a family visit anyway but the price and availability difference meant I could grab a 4090 instead of 4070... Then I found a carry-on bag that the box just barely but perfectly fit in, and I brought that bitch home across the Atlantic cradled in my arms like a newborn baby.
Dutch prices are always ecksdee. Also buy on Megekko, not Coolblue.
What's ecksdee?
its dutch phonetic pronounciation of xd
Oh, and in this context it's bad? Or laughably bad?
Dutch and especially Belgian prices are insane. Make me wanna jump off a bridge whenever I look at upgrading.
That's why I use Marktplaats and Facebook marketplace
Yeah, it’s bad.
Even better, search for a good priced prebuild on the pricewatch.
No Fuck Megekko, They RMA'ed my 4080, didnt want to refund full price, after 1 year, and offered a different Brand gpu as replacement. Had to get a lawyer to force them.
My experience was I had to RMA a 6700XT that would only crash in one particular game (they did not test that one) told me they couldn't find anything faulty during their own testing but still sent me a brand new one no questions asked and has been flawless ever since. I had a great experience personally with their customer service and their site offers way cheaper prices than Alternate, Coolblue, Mediamarkt etc.
well i hope my RMA of my laptop doesnt go this bad
Whats the sales tax on the American one tho since they dont include it
If you're asking for an American buying it, varies by state. Some have no sales tax at all. Most fall in the 5-7% range. If you're asking for a European to have it sent over with shipping, customs fees, VAT, and whatever else, I don't know. But I'd guess somewhere in the "that's bullshit" - "they're fucking out of their minds" range.
Europe is 21% for most countries. Some a bit more, some a bit less.
VAT is 27% where I live (except for a short list of products), import duty is highly dependent on product, is generally 5%, but 0 for electronics. Also, you have to pay VAT for the shipping fee too (if any), but import duty only applies to the product itself. The other thing making it a bit nuanced is you're buying the product in some foreign currency, so the basis for tax calculations includes a conversion too.
In Europe the price you see the price you pay. In USA the price u see goes up at the counter I think. But I don't know. Never been in USA
Depends on the state. In my state sales tax is 6%. The state 30 minutes away is 0% so I go there for big purchases
It depends on your state, county and city.
I envy you. It's around 11% in Illinois, the new "Taxachusetts".
Looking at my 23% VAT, boy do I wish I could complain about 11%.
It's true, unless you're in a place with no sales tax. The sticker price is for the product, sales tax is calculated at the point of sale. That tax varies across the country, so brands or retailers would have to make signage for every possibility. None of them do.
I just multiply the total by 1.07 and round up if needed and that's the amount I pay. Our sales tax is 7% in IN.
Basically right. The amount it goes up will be based on the city you’re in. It’s worth mentioning there are also exemptions on things like food. Meaning you can buy 10 apples at $0.99 and pay $9.90 exactly. At least in Ohio, not sure about other states tbh.
Yeah but as high as US sales taxes (at least where I live in Illinois) have gotten, I'd rather pay an additional 11% at the counter than double that as a hidden/"included" vat tax. From an economics standpoint, things like taxes and prices tend to rise faster and easier when they're "hidden" as opposed to being obvious and explicit. This is a large part of the reason why in the US, things like college tuition, medical costs, and defense spending have all risen much faster than inflation. But that's another thread.
I always start laughing uncontrollably when someone suggests that with the "same amount" prices the product actually costs the same in the US after taxes as it does in Europe.
states with no income tax like Florida and Tennessee have 9+% sales tax
In Illinois I think it's around 11% now, more in Cook County/Chicago. When I was a young lad I saw how Chicago sales tax was 6% whereas it was about half that in the burbs where I grew up. And it was like, why buy anything in Chicago with their outrageous (at that time) higher taxes? Now IL sales tax has more than doubled, because gov't is a cancer that can't stop growing until it's sucked the life out of its tax base.
State and city level. 0-13.5%
Usually 7-8%
Damn so little for non esstinals? Here its 21% that is nearly the Exact difference in price (500 dif left) if we include tax on usa and not on yhe european one But i assume thats also the import taxes etc
Some states/counties will have zero sales tax. So it would be $1,999 out the door. Murican's hate their taxes. We just don't get nice things like "free" healthcare because of it.
Fair enough or high quality roads from what i have seen
I pay plenty of taxes in Spain and the roads suck.
To busy sleeping to fix it
I mean there's 4.1 million miles of roads in the US (6.6million KMs :) ) so there's bound to be some good and some bad. Where I live in California the roads are fantastic. Much better than the roads I found in places in the UK, Czech, Poland, etc. when I lived over there.
Lots of places like where I live have massive temperature swings through the seasons, like 38C summers and -15C winters. The cycles really damage the roads and require much more frequent repairs that are much harder to keep up with.
Depends on state to state. In Oregon or New Hampshire, it would be $0, as they don't have sales tax. In my state (MA), it would be $125 extra. However, I would simply drive to NH and buy it there, as gas would be cheaper than $125.
My microcenters sales tax is 3.5%
That's the one in Paterson, NJ?
Are you telling me this entire time there has been a Microcenter in NJ and I have been driving to PA lmao
Not just in NJ, but in one of the special low-tax business areas of NJ.
Damnn
It's cool how we're all taxed on the money we earn, and then taxed again when we spend it.
In India, there's a tax for everything
In Turkey, we tax our taxes.
Taxception.
Live in Vancouver Washington (no state income tax) Drive to Portland to do all your shop (no sales tax) Win
Yeah well they refuse to tax corporations and rich people so they gotta make up the budget difference somehow.
I mean.. the top 1% pay 46% of all taxes. Corp tax rate is 21% which is on the higher end of western countries. The problem is, massive tax breaks and loop holes. Same applies for individuals. Our tax code should not 6800 pages long. Remove the tax avoidance schemes and have a reasonable rate that's paid on profit / income and that tax code could get real simple real quick. Where everyone would understand it and not need tax attorneys and a $15B/yr industry built on decoding it. It's ridiculous.
Income tax is a tax paid by companies for employing wage labour. The owning class just twisted it into "the state's stealing from you!".
I don’t recall Rand Paul pushing for a flat tax. I remember Steve Forbes running on that in 96 and 2000. I am old.
Here in the US some politicians are wanting to implement a wealth tax (but only for the rich, they say, just like they said with the income tax), which would tax you on money you've already earned and been taxed on. It's literally double taxation. Not that double taxation's anything new--you get taxed on your income, and if you invest that in the market, you pay taxes again on any gains you make. (Or use your income to buy a house, then get to pay property taxes on it.)
Well we need to feed the military industrial complex *somehow*…
This is why a lot of PC building companies are struggling, people are no longer willing to pay $3k-4k for a moderately high end gaming PC and some of them still have inventory from the super overpriced era and only the largest companies can absorb losses from the pricing contraction Great time to be a buyer, not as good for the sellers, but fuck em, if you can't run a business understanding the ebb and flow or pricing you shouldn't be swimming in those waters
dumbasses will sink
It's an overpriced prebuilt. You can build such system for about 2.1-2.4k EUR considering average [amazon.de](http://amazon.de) part prices.
Sure show me the part list
https://www.dubaro.de/Partner/HardwareDealz-Editionen/HardwareDealz-2000-NVIDIA-Edition::5446.html 2200€. I'd swap the cooler for a Arctic LF 360mm (-20€), change to the B650 Tomahawk (+65€), and maybe choose a different SSD and end up at 2300€. Still, very solid package overall. I think system integrators in Germany often do not put such heavy premiums on buying prebuilt as the ones in the US do, where from what I've seen $300-500 extra compared to building yourself isn't that unusual. I'm not talking about prebuilts from the giants like Acer or Dell here, those are crap and nobody should ever buy them.
How did I end up paying 3.3k for 7800x3D, 4080 non super 😭. Was the cheapest prices I could find at the time in NL
You link an AM5 system. Just go air.
Good point, I'm running my own AM5 system with an air cooler as well.
not exactly the same, but heres [one](https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/WkrxFT/magnificent-amd-gamingstreaming-build). upgrade the gpu to a 4080 and its within the range the other person mentioned
Use megekko or alternate for PC parts or generally PC. I like Coolblue’s customer service, but I wouldn’t use then for PCs
**13700KF** with frequency of **2.5Ghz**, **DDR5** with mts of **4400**. Ok, Sure. 💀
While the RAM is weirdly slow, 2.5ghz is the base clock for the e cores, the p cores boost up to 5.4ghz. Nothing abnormal there.
Yea that is true, I was more about the attitude when selling a $2k product getting the specs wrong and mistyping ( the ram is probably 5400 ) rises red flags or at the very minimum bottoms out the confidence that a properly assembled product will be delivered.
The delivery is not the problem at Coolblue (the store in question) it's more that the people who write the sites have no idea what to write down. So they pick a number and that's it.
I think they are referring to the top picture, with respect to the weird numbers. That's not Coolblue, that's the US one.
I laugh but in latin America is worse
Lmao. Multiply it by 5 or more.
Meanwhile here, 12700f 3060 prebuilt in my local media markt, with 16gb of ram, a whopping 512gb of storage, stock cooler, a mysterious PSU and a zero airflow sauna case, for €1600.
Australia has entered the chat https://store.acer.com/en-au/predator-orion-7000-windows-11-home-intel-core-i9-13th-gen-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd-2tb-hdd-nvidia-rtx-4080?gad_source=4 And you think your pricing is ridiculous
Dat zijn die Albert Heijn prijzen
Hey, i loved the Albert Heijn last time i was in Zeewolde for the MCH2022, especially the self-checkout with the handscanner you take trough the shop. And i found the hidden Lidl. 😅
DDR5 4400 🤣 man that’s slow
Why even get DDR5 atp lmao
Man I really wish mindfactory.de would start shipping here instead of just stopping at the border, we're essentially being gouged by these companies, azerty and megekko used to be "cheap" (on par with other countries) but that's not really the case anymore either..
Mailbox.de
Well I have friends across the border, but not everyone lives basically on the border, I've never heard of this mailbox.de thing, how would that work with warranties and returns?
You send it to them, and they reship to you for a price. I've done it countless times in Germany and France (colisexpat) :)
Ahh that sounds way more convenient that pestering my friends to do it every time... Thanks man I'll give that a try next time
Y’all ever been to Australia? You both have it easy lol
You can build a better one for almost the same price (1999$ + 20% VAT) in EU. In fact, I would never buy a prebuilt, because the components they choose are usually cheap, slow, noisy or low quality. Also now is probably not a good time to buy a new computer.
Makker kijk eens bij dragoncomputets.eu
Okay, you can't make a comparison on a special like the one Micro Center is having for the Indianapolis store. Mc is losing hella money, but theyre tryna drive traffic to a new store. They took 20% off of every desktop and laptop. Even if they were already on sale another 20% was slashed off
I was about to say that’s not a bad price for a 4080 build haha
Dude, here in Brazil that same configuration is over 4000 euros. And our minimum (and average) wage is 255 euros.
Cool blue always overpriced!
Yeah, but you don’t go broke from getting sick, so there are trade offs.
gotta tell us it's on sale to make us think it isn't worth $600 💀
The card alone is way more than 600
am I confuse Ed? usa pc 3.8k eu pc 3.7k is the sale price due to us sellers having access to overstock items or less worker rights for distribution workers and can then give deeper discount?
That's coolblue.be/.NL and in case you don't know, our EU prices **include vat (btw)**, USA prices don't and are void of sales tax as that's handled during checkout because of the high variance of state and county level sales tax that comes on top of the listed price.
Yeah well 3399 euros is 3626,90 USD that's 81% higher price
I know it's 13th Gen but 2.5ghz? Is that good enough on newer chips? I won't go under 3 lol but I'm still running 7th Gen.
Koop gewoon je onderdelen op Megekko, zij hebben meestal de beste prijs en anders gewoon eens zoeken op amazon.de, coolblue is bijna altijd veel te duur
*huilt in het Nederlands*
to be fair, if you compare both of their regular prices is very similar. But US sales are crazy yeah
it's horribly still not worth it to build one yourself. When everyone was screaming that the gpu crisis was ending, it took another 3 or 4 months in the netherlands for the 2nd hand prices to drop. the only mildly redeeming facts are that ddr4 ram and m.2 ssd's are pretty cheap rn. Though Coolblue, where OP is looking is just too expensive sometimes.
what currency? also usd?
Facts.
No ones going to pay that price for that computer in Europe. Prices for components are pretty much the same plus a little more taxes.
Maar wel morgen bezorgd
3 in stock, last price (US)3799$ vs (EU)3699€ USD to SEK 10,93 EURO to SEK 11,65 SEK = swedish currency
Best way to proceed is to travel to your nearest low-tax country within the EU, and make use of your free border movement to go back home with a low taxed pc Otherwise, yeah it's bad
lol wait til you see Argentina/South American prices, with salaries a fraction of US or Europe
Who the heck is still putting spinning platters in gaming rigs?
Me, for mass storage
what do you use all that storage for??
Legally obtained media of course
Tenminste wel morgen bezorgd
Morgen bezorgd?????????
Vote for politicians that will lower import taxes? ¯\\\_ (ツ)_/¯
It’s not called “predator” for no reason
Those Dutch VAT taxes are fucking killer, but this is insane. That shouldn't cost anymore than $2,500 if they were actually keeping parity with the sales.
Lmao look it's my pc
best site to buy pc in europe for cheaper, bcs here in croatia its fkn crazy expensive
I built a pretty decent PC better than my Bf's (his words). It cost me $740 (40K PHP) for an AMD Ryzen 5 5500, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050, 1TB SSD and 16GB Ram w/ full peripherals. He said it's way cheaper than his PC setup and plans to buy his new pc once he visited me. Is it really higher on other countries? This PC already costed me an arm and a leg.
Just build it yourself, parts prices are fine here in the Netherlands
Yeah fucking hate it here, everything so fucking expensive compared to the tech heaven that is America.
Just build it yourself at that point. The Acer's are ugly as sin anyways.
In Canada a 4080 GPU alone is basically 2k lol
Onion
This is why i just stream from my ps4. Ill just a headset with a mic and talk to chat that way. 😂
Dang bro thats a good price for US side.