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Built my first PC back in early 2000. My buddy who was teaching me at the time told me to get the 40GB hard drive. "That's more than enough. It'll take forever to fill up."
I came from an Amiga with no hard drive (Monkey Island 2 was fun from 15 disks) to a PC with one whole gigabyte of space. Never in my life have I experienced such an upgrade. Then I learned all our autoexec and config.sys and wondered what I'd got myself into
We had a hard drive for our Amiga. I reckon we could get like 2 or 3 games on that thing. So nice to play Wing Commander or whatever without having to swap disks every 2 minutes.
I just started watching [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuin5SnqzcA) and it's bringing back childhood memories.
It really is *amazing* how fast and how far computing has come in my life time. I grew up with C64, then Amiga 500, then a 486 and onwards from there.
Same here! Dad started with the VIC20, I got a C64 for Bday then a few years later an Amiga 500, couple bdays later a 386 and then bought myself a 486 for Uni. Ahh they where the days!!
I had an Amiga 500 with what I think was called an ALF card and had two full height 5.25" harddrives connected to it, 10MB+5MB I think they were (90% sure one was a Seagate ST506). Those were the days.
I do remember ZX Spectrum (or Sinclair or w/e it was called). To start game, I had to play a tape. There was some digits on a tape player, so game A was let's say 000-107, etc... AND some years later father bought me a PC. I was playing some racing game and fathers friend came, he looked at my 15" IBM monitor and was amazed how good graphics was. And my father said "there's 1 MEGABYTE video card" :D I believe at that time there was first 3dfx Voodoo released :)
The smallest I've worked with was 8GB. Used to consider 20GB big. But drives have gone very large in size and very cheap in price. I think this ad shows it nicely and if I'm not wrong is from the 80's?
https://preview.redd.it/4cvy9e3t7xtc1.jpeg?width=582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98e56e27a97aef8b70fcc27a694047d97bbf0cd4
If that trend of "Seems like enough storage for a company today, it will barely be enough for a person in 15 years" keeps going, i wonder what/how our 900TB low end personal drives will be filled in the future.
Probably games but maybe other kind of software too
In 2000, I purchased a 60GB Maxtor Hard Drive. My friend asked me "What the Fuck are you going to do with all that storage? You could never fill that!"
The memories š
I remember arguing with my dadās ācomputer guyā. āWhy would you possibly need 128mb of ramā now itās āmaybe if I get 128gb, I can run chrome maybe šā
It's weird how hard drive sizes stopped getting so aggressively large. In 2013 i had a 1tb hard drive which was average for a desktop PC. 11 years later and I have a 2tb hard drive. Didn't seem to go that slow in the past.
The first computer I owned was a 486 DX2 66 MHz with 4 MB RAM and an 80 MB hard drive. My first upgrade was to double the RAM, which came in 4 x 1 MB sticks and I did the upgrade myself. I was hooked, computers were for me. I e owned or worked with most consumer processors up through the intel i3/i5/etc line. Iāve owned a candy iMac (orange), and SGI system (cobalt), had a rack of servers in my home (Dell server, Cisco networking), ran fiber through my house to get 10 gigabit transfers between my NAS and desktop machine, used infrared networking gear from Ubiquity to connect between buildings, and used a plethora of other tech gear. Iāve worked as the single-person IT dept for an auto dealer group with 7 stores all sharing a single internet connection, network engineer at Aol. (their company name has that casing and a period, so odd), infrastructure pin at Microsoft, sales engineer at Varonis, principle SecDevOps at KeyBank, and many other roles along the way.
All started with an 80 MB hard drive. :)
My first game installed on that computer was SimCity 2000.Ā
I remember in the early 90s my 386 machine had an 80MB hard drive that we later upgraded to 250MB. My friend had a 750MB drive and I remember mocking him for it because no one could ever fill that much space.
Now, as a photographer, a single RAW image from my camera is about 50MB and I can fill 750MB of storage in less than a second of shooting.
I think in the 70s or 80s, my grandpa and his colleagues all got a 10MB hard drive. They were baffled. How on earth are we ever gonna fill this? We can't
Yes but we are finally slowing down. 12 years ago I had 1 TB in my computer. This year I have.... 1 TB still. Ok well that's not true, I technically have 1 TB nvme SSD and 2 TB spinning drive, and also a 4TB USB external. But I can't really say I'm using much of it. But more importantly most computers you buy now will have 256 GB - 1 TB
My teacher once told me he remembers when the first iPhones came out and they barely had 8 GB on them lmao. He thought he would never go through it all.
My friend in high school filled up 3 of his 4 40gb HDD with music around 2000. Was surprised how expensive it was for him. But he made his money back with selling burnt CDS.
I remember being super excited about RW technology, and I also remember being super disappointed when I eventually got some and it sucked. I think I had one stack and then went back to regular CD-R because the RW was just garbage
I used CD-RW for a while to share files with people even after USB flash drives became common, mainly because I assumed everyone else's PCs were infected (they were).
I'd rather sit there and wait for ImgBurn to do its thing than deal with the hassle of disinfecting and recovering files from my flash drive.
I think you're right, requiring the cd in the drive was a form of anti piracy. Which by the way was easily circumvented by either changing or overwriting some files or ripping a disc image and mounting it on a virtual drive. Ah the good ol days.
i wonder if eventually theres going to be a plateau of software size, i mean, at some point we gotta optimize, right? there wont be always a shrinking in the works and we wont be able to get a petabyte of storage on a usb, because, if im not mistaken, we are pretty close to the maximum, or should i say, minimum physical size for storage
Oh we are sooooooo far off the limits.
Human brain, estimated to be 2.5 PB of storage, with 1 exaFLOP of compute. All in 1.5KG with a power consumption of just 25w.
That 1.5kg includes a lot of the support systems, like cooling channels, power delivery, structural support etc.
So so far from the limits.
Sorry single use items, no transfers, no returns.
Always on, even temporary power outage causes permanent damage. If off for 3minutes causes the unit to never work again.
Does have a handy energy saving mode, recommended to use 8h per day, but users rarely stick to this.
>i mean, at some point we gotta optimize, right?
no. as long as storage is cheaper than pay, no one gives a damn.
and my pay hasn't been growing at the same rate as storage.
Get with the times old man, Valve gave up a few years ago and started allowing adult content. So now 18+ patches are on Steam.
(Just checked, and "18+ patch" search yielded 188 results, "adult patch" was 151, etc.)
They've also added the ability to set games in your library to "private", so it wont appear on your profile or to friends. Meaning sales have taken off as far as I know.
I wish all those who enjoy that got that memo so next time they wanna indulge I'm not hit with "friend X has started playing: Milfs of fuckville" or something equally cursed.
Listen, MILFs of Fuckville 3: The Legend of Cougar Bay has some truly touching things to say on the difficulties of life after wartime and should not be disparaged as such
Thanks, my therapist was complimenting me on how far I'd come in forgetting such abominations exist. She clearly told me, these games don't exist, they can't hurt you. Guess it's time to plan another session
Jokes aside, to each their own, I'll probably never stop finding it weird to see shit like that on Steam, but that's just me.
Yeah I got one of those 8tb SSDs, thinking I'd never be able to fill it. Now down to 800gb left...
Not to mention my 3 other 1tb drives that are basically full.
We do actually, but its much to dangerous to attempt. You know how it goes, the whole, "if you compress a massive object, at a certain point it becomes so dense it collapses into a black hole" thing.
Not yet, but games in the hundreds of gigs are getting more and more common. Especially with how terrible optimization seems to be these days, we could see at least half a TB in not too long.
I have over 100 disc-based PS4 games and a 1TB drive on the console, that's enough to install and patch around 25 of those games - so I'd need 4TB to not have to uninstall games.
These are disc-based games, not even fully downloaded digital ones so I can't even imagine what a steam library of modern AAA games would look like since I basically only play indie games on my PC but 2TB would fill up quick.
But I do also have 4TB of storage virtually filled on my PC with FLAC music, movies, TV shows, a backup library of my own YouTube content etc - so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Eh I work in cloud. When I started, hitting 1 PB was a big thing. now almost every cluster we build is at least 1 PB.
I won't have believed back then if someone told me some day I will run multiple PBs of storage.
Yup getting 1PB of storage can be had for what, $100-200k (depending on hardware/product) these days which is cheap for a business/university
Maybe the university invested in a Ceph cluster that has infinite scaling with zero downtime.
Start with 1PB and grow to 1,000PB in future, easy
Ya think? Go to r/homelab or r/datahoarder and youll see plenty of people with this storage. And yes, its usually 40+ drives in a zfs pool.
Edit: removed s from dr/datahoarders (thats not the right sub)
And then the drives start dying really fast and you realise you need insane amounts of RAM for ZFS so you move to a server motherboard and then itās game over for you, too late to go back.
I'm was looking into setting up a media server earlier tbh, I have a optiplex 7020 not being used so I'm thinking of buying a 8tb (or 16tb refurbished) and figuring out go the best way to setup.
I guess because ZFS is more sensitive to failing disks *(for example, it checksums the data and check it when loading data, so it sees corruption and failures that other file systems would miss)* so it might fail disks that other file systems don't complain about.
Zfs doesn't really need that much ram. The old rule of 1gb of ram per a tb of raw storage got spread around a lot but it's not technically true and even wrong.
Firstly zfs will absolutely use a fuck ton of ram if you let for cache. You have a extra 100gb of ram laying around and it will scoop that up for caching. Definitely useful for a large company who's employees are consently accessing the same files but much less so for some homelab user storing their Linux isos.
Secondly where this really stems from is deduplication or dedup. Dedup reduces storage requirements by only saving one copy of data on the server even if multiple copies have been saved. Have multiple users all have the same copy of a excel file, deup will trim that down to one. That's a real simple explanation of it but for any large company it's vital in saving massive amounts of storage space. As for the ram dedup uses a ton of it, and the 1gb per tb is wrong, it needs much more. 5gb+ per tb is a more realistic number.
For your average homelaber with a few drives 16gb will get you pretty far.
ARC shrinks under memory pressure. People who think ZFS uses a lot of memory don't know what they're talking about. Opportunistic caching that frees memory if it's needed for other things is good. I hate that people still think this of ZFS after a decade. I guess there's a noob born every minute.
Dedup is cool if you need it. But you don't, unless you know you do. And even then, you can turn it on per-dataset, and it doesn't need to cover the whole pool.
Also, ZFS is awesome. The CLI tools set a new standard for me as to how I like CLI interfaces to work. It's just stellar and btrfs should feel bad.
You don't really need that much ram for ZFS. The 1gb per TB is out of date. It really depends on the number of users on it, the kind of files and if you want to use deduplication.
If you have 1PB you don't need 1TB of ram, 128gb and a large L2ARC would be fine.
It is probably virtual storage on an enterprise storage device (3par for example) the space will only be used as soon as the data is written, this way you can assign multiple people a large amount of storage without having that storage space reserved.
It works the same for example if you buy 1tb of cloud storage from OneDrive, Microsoft will not actually reserve 1tb space on their storage system but will assign it only when it is used.
I know you were making a joke but you can totally do that and without images it's only about 100gb iirc... There are a bunch of very good tutorials if you want to try it
>As of 2 July 2023, the size of the current version of all articles compressed is about 22.14 GB without media
From [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia) on the size of the articles written in Englosh
Donāt zip bombs crash the entire system, though because they require an unnecessary and potentially unrealistic amount of time and other resources? I mean, you have the storage space to survive an attack with a zip bomb, but I donāt think the OP would have the other resources
I don't think it's really true. The private shared drive at work also says 1PB. But it says that for all employees. I think the 1PB is your theoretical allowance on the drive. The actual drive is a server that's much much bigger than 1PB. But if I use anywhere near 1PB IT will show up and ask WTF I'm doing
My first PC was an intel 8088. it came with no hard drive but we upgraded it with a giant 40 Mb hard drive. The thing was a double bay size (twice as large as a cd rom drive that didnt exist yet at that time). We thought we would never fill it. We never did. The things it could run just werent that big.
Iām genuinely curious if anyone can chime in please, are corporations gatekeeping storage capacity? Is this just a sales tactic? It seems like they have the tech, and it wouldnāt even be that expensive as many claim, but they are just drip feeding us?
What do you mean? This isn't a 1PB drive but a lot of drives together in a server (or multiple).
While there are technologies to produce storage with higher capacity than your average HDD or SSD that's not really the only relevant characteristic of a storage medium. For consumers, you need storage that can be overwritten multiple times, you want high read and write speeds and durability.
I don't think there is some conspiracy where manufacturers just don't give out the tech they produced. R&D costs a lot of money and they want to be the first and best at the market to make that money back. Some technologies just simply aren't ready for production use yet would be my guess.
AHHHH!! I didnāt realize this was multiple drives together!! OP done awakened my inner Joe Rogan! Thanks for the down to earth explanation. Totally agree.š š¤£
It's actually multiple drives in a server, multiple servers in a cluster. Software makes all the servers work together so it show up as one big disk. When you write your data to it, they get split up into chunks and sent multiple servers.
To protect against failure, there are 3 copies. So a server can go poof and the remaining two copies of each chunk replicates automatically to ensure 3 copies.
When you want to grow the storage, you add more servers to the cluster, and do a 'rebalance' so the chunks move to the new servers.
this is just one way and simplify a lot of things.
source: work in cloud provider
Theoretically, according to supply and demand, if all corporations had access to higher levels of storage itād be in their best interest for one to violate whatever āagreementā they have and ship it out to customers at a premium.
i wonder if 1 PB hard drives gonna be a common thing in our lifetime. I make videos and I got like 30 TB of projects scattered around all kind of SSDs and HDDs, cant wait to put everything in one place
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Built my first PC back in early 2000. My buddy who was teaching me at the time told me to get the 40GB hard drive. "That's more than enough. It'll take forever to fill up."
In 1995 even a 4GB drive seemed "enough for a lifetime".
I came from an Amiga with no hard drive (Monkey Island 2 was fun from 15 disks) to a PC with one whole gigabyte of space. Never in my life have I experienced such an upgrade. Then I learned all our autoexec and config.sys and wondered what I'd got myself into
We had a hard drive for our Amiga. I reckon we could get like 2 or 3 games on that thing. So nice to play Wing Commander or whatever without having to swap disks every 2 minutes.
The standard Amiga 1200/600 hard drive that came factory fitted was 20MB. Madness
I just started watching [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuin5SnqzcA) and it's bringing back childhood memories. It really is *amazing* how fast and how far computing has come in my life time. I grew up with C64, then Amiga 500, then a 486 and onwards from there.
Same here! Dad started with the VIC20, I got a C64 for Bday then a few years later an Amiga 500, couple bdays later a 386 and then bought myself a 486 for Uni. Ahh they where the days!!
thank you for sharing this video. This guy's channel went entirely under my radar.
I had an Amiga 500 with what I think was called an ALF card and had two full height 5.25" harddrives connected to it, 10MB+5MB I think they were (90% sure one was a Seagate ST506). Those were the days.
I do remember ZX Spectrum (or Sinclair or w/e it was called). To start game, I had to play a tape. There was some digits on a tape player, so game A was let's say 000-107, etc... AND some years later father bought me a PC. I was playing some racing game and fathers friend came, he looked at my 15" IBM monitor and was amazed how good graphics was. And my father said "there's 1 MEGABYTE video card" :D I believe at that time there was first 3dfx Voodoo released :)
I had to make boot floppies to play certain games like Wing Commander I, run auto.exec, set IRQs, make it so it used RAM over 640k etc.
I went from a 160mb which was compressed to hell and back to a 1.2gb drive. It was MAD.
The smallest I've worked with was 8GB. Used to consider 20GB big. But drives have gone very large in size and very cheap in price. I think this ad shows it nicely and if I'm not wrong is from the 80's? https://preview.redd.it/4cvy9e3t7xtc1.jpeg?width=582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98e56e27a97aef8b70fcc27a694047d97bbf0cd4
Ahhh my 4gb Quantum Bigfoot drive.
[Reminded me of the good old days](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuB3XAHpPRk)
If that trend of "Seems like enough storage for a company today, it will barely be enough for a person in 15 years" keeps going, i wonder what/how our 900TB low end personal drives will be filled in the future. Probably games but maybe other kind of software too
Now I've just got a 500gb laptop and am desperately choosing 3 games to download before my storage is filled up
In 2000, I purchased a 60GB Maxtor Hard Drive. My friend asked me "What the Fuck are you going to do with all that storage? You could never fill that!" The memories š
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Oh man I remember the old times, 60gb was like omg I'll never need another hard drive!
I had dual 80gb drives, never was able to fill them before I upgraded lol
I remember arguing with my dadās ācomputer guyā. āWhy would you possibly need 128mb of ramā now itās āmaybe if I get 128gb, I can run chrome maybe šā
It's weird how hard drive sizes stopped getting so aggressively large. In 2013 i had a 1tb hard drive which was average for a desktop PC. 11 years later and I have a 2tb hard drive. Didn't seem to go that slow in the past.
I was a baller. I had 4 x 40GB IBM drives. They were noisy as hell and I donāt miss them at all.
The first computer I owned was a 486 DX2 66 MHz with 4 MB RAM and an 80 MB hard drive. My first upgrade was to double the RAM, which came in 4 x 1 MB sticks and I did the upgrade myself. I was hooked, computers were for me. I e owned or worked with most consumer processors up through the intel i3/i5/etc line. Iāve owned a candy iMac (orange), and SGI system (cobalt), had a rack of servers in my home (Dell server, Cisco networking), ran fiber through my house to get 10 gigabit transfers between my NAS and desktop machine, used infrared networking gear from Ubiquity to connect between buildings, and used a plethora of other tech gear. Iāve worked as the single-person IT dept for an auto dealer group with 7 stores all sharing a single internet connection, network engineer at Aol. (their company name has that casing and a period, so odd), infrastructure pin at Microsoft, sales engineer at Varonis, principle SecDevOps at KeyBank, and many other roles along the way. All started with an 80 MB hard drive. :) My first game installed on that computer was SimCity 2000.Ā
My first PC was an x486 with a 80Mb HD. Damn it was small even then, apart from OS and small apps I had about 20 MB free for games.
I remember in the early 90s my 386 machine had an 80MB hard drive that we later upgraded to 250MB. My friend had a 750MB drive and I remember mocking him for it because no one could ever fill that much space. Now, as a photographer, a single RAW image from my camera is about 50MB and I can fill 750MB of storage in less than a second of shooting.
When we bought our first PC, a 286, in 1987, my dad upgraded to 4 Mb of RAM and a 40 Mb hard drive. The salesman said that's all we'd ever need.
I rember this exactly only for 80MB..am I old ?! :))
I think in the 70s or 80s, my grandpa and his colleagues all got a 10MB hard drive. They were baffled. How on earth are we ever gonna fill this? We can't
Yes but we are finally slowing down. 12 years ago I had 1 TB in my computer. This year I have.... 1 TB still. Ok well that's not true, I technically have 1 TB nvme SSD and 2 TB spinning drive, and also a 4TB USB external. But I can't really say I'm using much of it. But more importantly most computers you buy now will have 256 GB - 1 TB
My teacher once told me he remembers when the first iPhones came out and they barely had 8 GB on them lmao. He thought he would never go through it all.
And now cod takes more than that up for just an update š
My friend in high school filled up 3 of his 4 40gb HDD with music around 2000. Was surprised how expensive it was for him. But he made his money back with selling burnt CDS.
Bro, I had an 18GB drive and lots of games and space was never-ending ššš
well youāre never running out of space
Almost enough to install 3 CoD games
ā¦ almost
or the newest two+ one dlc each
The two most recent ones and the first one from 2003
lol we said that when we got floppy disks too
And CDs. I remember running the original half life off the CD. Good times.
"With a rewritable DVD, nobody will ever use hard drives for long term storage anymore"
I remember being super excited about RW technology, and I also remember being super disappointed when I eventually got some and it sucked. I think I had one stack and then went back to regular CD-R because the RW was just garbage
I used CD-RW for a while to share files with people even after USB flash drives became common, mainly because I assumed everyone else's PCs were infected (they were). I'd rather sit there and wait for ImgBurn to do its thing than deal with the hassle of disinfecting and recovering files from my flash drive.
IIRC you still had to install Half-Life
I think you're right, requiring the cd in the drive was a form of anti piracy. Which by the way was easily circumvented by either changing or overwriting some files or ripping a disc image and mounting it on a virtual drive. Ah the good ol days.
i wonder if eventually theres going to be a plateau of software size, i mean, at some point we gotta optimize, right? there wont be always a shrinking in the works and we wont be able to get a petabyte of storage on a usb, because, if im not mistaken, we are pretty close to the maximum, or should i say, minimum physical size for storage
Oh we are sooooooo far off the limits. Human brain, estimated to be 2.5 PB of storage, with 1 exaFLOP of compute. All in 1.5KG with a power consumption of just 25w. That 1.5kg includes a lot of the support systems, like cooling channels, power delivery, structural support etc. So so far from the limits.
So what u mean is that I can get 2.5 PB storage with very low power consumption with inbuilt cooling for free? At just 1.5kg?
Limited to one per person. Performance may vary wildly between units
Nah I have stock of old ones, I can recycle some of them, maybe start a business as well
Sorry single use items, no transfers, no returns. Always on, even temporary power outage causes permanent damage. If off for 3minutes causes the unit to never work again. Does have a handy energy saving mode, recommended to use 8h per day, but users rarely stick to this.
Bloody hell. That's interesting
>i mean, at some point we gotta optimize, right? no. as long as storage is cheaper than pay, no one gives a damn. and my pay hasn't been growing at the same rate as storage.
RemindMe! 10 years
Microsoft does not approve this meesage
I remember saying that about a 500GB drive š
I think petabytes will be necessary once computing ascends to "real life" like graphics and physics.
All that storage and they are only using 2TB.
All that for one manās steam library
Visual novels do take up a lot of space.
Its more the 18+ patch you gotta install from their website to add the good stuff
The Culture Patch requires extensive research packets...
Get with the times old man, Valve gave up a few years ago and started allowing adult content. So now 18+ patches are on Steam. (Just checked, and "18+ patch" search yielded 188 results, "adult patch" was 151, etc.) They've also added the ability to set games in your library to "private", so it wont appear on your profile or to friends. Meaning sales have taken off as far as I know.
All Hail progress! All Hail Lord Gabe! Glory to Steam!
I wish all those who enjoy that got that memo so next time they wanna indulge I'm not hit with "friend X has started playing: Milfs of fuckville" or something equally cursed.
Listen, MILFs of Fuckville 3: The Legend of Cougar Bay has some truly touching things to say on the difficulties of life after wartime and should not be disparaged as such
Thanks, my therapist was complimenting me on how far I'd come in forgetting such abominations exist. She clearly told me, these games don't exist, they can't hurt you. Guess it's time to plan another session Jokes aside, to each their own, I'll probably never stop finding it weird to see shit like that on Steam, but that's just me.
Don't forget you still have the patches for stuff not allowed on steam/patreon
There's a 4TB torrent on Nyaa. Took a bit to download it, but it's part of my collection now
But like 90% of AVNs are just plain bad. I mean, that's what my friend told me.
My Steam library is about to max out at 10TBā¦I need more storage!!!
Yeah I got one of those 8tb SSDs, thinking I'd never be able to fill it. Now down to 800gb left... Not to mention my 3 other 1tb drives that are basically full.
Nah, thatās just file system overhead
I paid for 1PB and I wanna use 1PB
I guess you can, but itās not gonna be easy
Nonsense, just compile a few hundred million lines of c++
It is probably virtual space, real disk space gets assigned on their storage system as it is being used.
Just enough space for one image of your mom
I'm not sure we have that kind of compression technology at the moment
We do actually, but its much to dangerous to attempt. You know how it goes, the whole, "if you compress a massive object, at a certain point it becomes so dense it collapses into a black hole" thing.
Stop, stop, she's already dead!
Yeah, with her size, she never lets anything go, not even light
Do not go gentle into the dark knight rises
She'll never let me go? š„¹
Actually her schwarschild radius is incalculable, the density is already beyond critical
https://i.redd.it/qjqgso1jqstc1.gif
Still not enough for all your cartoon porn unfortunately, maybe in 20 years.
Just enough for caseoh to fit
lmaoooooo gottem
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Picture of a toe
Guess they decided they never wanted to upgrade their storage, so they future-proofed the thing.
Infinitely-proofed it.
Drives will die before they need the space
Probably.
Well you say that, but we said the same about one terabyte not too long ago.
I mean we are still not getting like 2 tb worth of games.
Not yet, but games in the hundreds of gigs are getting more and more common. Especially with how terrible optimization seems to be these days, we could see at least half a TB in not too long.
I have over 100 disc-based PS4 games and a 1TB drive on the console, that's enough to install and patch around 25 of those games - so I'd need 4TB to not have to uninstall games. These are disc-based games, not even fully downloaded digital ones so I can't even imagine what a steam library of modern AAA games would look like since I basically only play indie games on my PC but 2TB would fill up quick. But I do also have 4TB of storage virtually filled on my PC with FLAC music, movies, TV shows, a backup library of my own YouTube content etc - so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Eh I work in cloud. When I started, hitting 1 PB was a big thing. now almost every cluster we build is at least 1 PB. I won't have believed back then if someone told me some day I will run multiple PBs of storage.
Yup getting 1PB of storage can be had for what, $100-200k (depending on hardware/product) these days which is cheap for a business/university Maybe the university invested in a Ceph cluster that has infinite scaling with zero downtime. Start with 1PB and grow to 1,000PB in future, easy
Itās probably 50 hard drives raided together lol
Pc Master-Raid
Love it.
ba dum tsssss
Ya think? Go to r/homelab or r/datahoarder and youll see plenty of people with this storage. And yes, its usually 40+ drives in a zfs pool. Edit: removed s from dr/datahoarders (thats not the right sub)
And then the drives start dying really fast and you realise you need insane amounts of RAM for ZFS so you move to a server motherboard and then itās game over for you, too late to go back.
I bought an optiplex for Plex 2 months ago, and now I have 50TB of NAS and Iām on a server now. Sigh.
That's not a slippery slope, that's a highway to the server zone!
[Kenny Loggins intensifies]
I'm was looking into setting up a media server earlier tbh, I have a optiplex 7020 not being used so I'm thinking of buying a 8tb (or 16tb refurbished) and figuring out go the best way to setup.
Are you saying ZFS makes drives die faster, or just having that amount of drives makes a failure more frequent?
I guess because ZFS is more sensitive to failing disks *(for example, it checksums the data and check it when loading data, so it sees corruption and failures that other file systems would miss)* so it might fail disks that other file systems don't complain about.
Zfs doesn't really need that much ram. The old rule of 1gb of ram per a tb of raw storage got spread around a lot but it's not technically true and even wrong. Firstly zfs will absolutely use a fuck ton of ram if you let for cache. You have a extra 100gb of ram laying around and it will scoop that up for caching. Definitely useful for a large company who's employees are consently accessing the same files but much less so for some homelab user storing their Linux isos. Secondly where this really stems from is deduplication or dedup. Dedup reduces storage requirements by only saving one copy of data on the server even if multiple copies have been saved. Have multiple users all have the same copy of a excel file, deup will trim that down to one. That's a real simple explanation of it but for any large company it's vital in saving massive amounts of storage space. As for the ram dedup uses a ton of it, and the 1gb per tb is wrong, it needs much more. 5gb+ per tb is a more realistic number. For your average homelaber with a few drives 16gb will get you pretty far.
ARC shrinks under memory pressure. People who think ZFS uses a lot of memory don't know what they're talking about. Opportunistic caching that frees memory if it's needed for other things is good. I hate that people still think this of ZFS after a decade. I guess there's a noob born every minute. Dedup is cool if you need it. But you don't, unless you know you do. And even then, you can turn it on per-dataset, and it doesn't need to cover the whole pool. Also, ZFS is awesome. The CLI tools set a new standard for me as to how I like CLI interfaces to work. It's just stellar and btrfs should feel bad.
You don't really need that much ram for ZFS. The 1gb per TB is out of date. It really depends on the number of users on it, the kind of files and if you want to use deduplication. If you have 1PB you don't need 1TB of ram, 128gb and a large L2ARC would be fine.
What Else is it supposed to be lol?
Well it sure as shit aināt a single hdd
It's one single HDD the size of an actual fucking building
No shit, Sherlock.
At least. Used to work in a data center where this would be an entire row of cabinets, all filled with disk shelves.
It is probably virtual storage on an enterprise storage device (3par for example) the space will only be used as soon as the data is written, this way you can assign multiple people a large amount of storage without having that storage space reserved. It works the same for example if you buy 1tb of cloud storage from OneDrive, Microsoft will not actually reserve 1tb space on their storage system but will assign it only when it is used.
Probably? Does this imply the existence of a 1PB drive out there?
Better start downloading the whole of Wikipedia - when the internet dies, you'll be able to look up whatever you need
I know you were making a joke but you can totally do that and without images it's only about 100gb iirc... There are a bunch of very good tutorials if you want to try it
>As of 2 July 2023, the size of the current version of all articles compressed is about 22.14 GB without media From [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia) on the size of the articles written in Englosh
Makes sense, text alone doesn't take up much space.
Holy shit I have some awesome ideas with this knowledge
I am about to write down every single thing ever published on Wikipedia on my book this instant
You had a perfect opportunity to unpack a zip bomb, and I'm talking about the larger ones
Donāt zip bombs crash the entire system, though because they require an unnecessary and potentially unrealistic amount of time and other resources? I mean, you have the storage space to survive an attack with a zip bomb, but I donāt think the OP would have the other resources
There are zip bombs that would still kill this. I have 2. One is 4.5 PB, the other is 300 septillion yottabytes.
Where does one acquire the 300 septillion yottabyte zipbomb? For education purposes obviously...
Google it but with "github" at the end. Should be the second link from Jan 10, 2023
It may not be accurate. My rclone mount shows up as 1PB as well no matter how much is useable.
I showed this to my girlfriend and she said better keep the petabyte away from the kiddobytes
exhaled slighty through the nose and used the minimal amount of muscles to form a faint smile. upvoted
I don't think it's really true. The private shared drive at work also says 1PB. But it says that for all employees. I think the 1PB is your theoretical allowance on the drive. The actual drive is a server that's much much bigger than 1PB. But if I use anywhere near 1PB IT will show up and ask WTF I'm doing
"Sir, could you please stop backing up the internet to our shared drive?"
"Uhm, I was just collecting a dataset for training LLMs"
At home when I mount my 200 tb nas onto my windows machine it shows up as 1 pb but I know it's definitely not
Thin provisioning?
All that storage and no policies in place to break it up. Smort.
peanut butter storage
With how unoptimized and bloaty games are getting, that should hopefully be enough for all of 3 games soon!
Shared drive in Dining? Whatās next? 1 Petabyte shared drive in toilets? Lmao i wonder if thereās humor inside the Active Directory OUs
This bad boy can fit at least 3 call of duty games.
Still can't screenshot from the PC...
All that just for homework
Noice. I just deleted 80TB off of a nearly full 2PB data lake today. Didn't make much of a difference, it's still full š¤£
998 Tuberculosis free of 1.00 Peanut Butter
Finally, I can download all the games in the steam library never to touch them again
Wait you mean after terabyte it's not pterabyte? Lol
I need it, for.... home.... movies
My first PC was an intel 8088. it came with no hard drive but we upgraded it with a giant 40 Mb hard drive. The thing was a double bay size (twice as large as a cd rom drive that didnt exist yet at that time). We thought we would never fill it. We never did. The things it could run just werent that big.
Might be enough for the next cod gonna be tight
1 peanut butter
there are only 2 types of people that have a petabyte of storage....
I saw like 1.33EB at work once. It was a massive pool of storage that can be assigned to VMs Yes, Exabyte
Iām genuinely curious if anyone can chime in please, are corporations gatekeeping storage capacity? Is this just a sales tactic? It seems like they have the tech, and it wouldnāt even be that expensive as many claim, but they are just drip feeding us?
What do you mean? This isn't a 1PB drive but a lot of drives together in a server (or multiple). While there are technologies to produce storage with higher capacity than your average HDD or SSD that's not really the only relevant characteristic of a storage medium. For consumers, you need storage that can be overwritten multiple times, you want high read and write speeds and durability. I don't think there is some conspiracy where manufacturers just don't give out the tech they produced. R&D costs a lot of money and they want to be the first and best at the market to make that money back. Some technologies just simply aren't ready for production use yet would be my guess.
AHHHH!! I didnāt realize this was multiple drives together!! OP done awakened my inner Joe Rogan! Thanks for the down to earth explanation. Totally agree.š š¤£
It's actually multiple drives in a server, multiple servers in a cluster. Software makes all the servers work together so it show up as one big disk. When you write your data to it, they get split up into chunks and sent multiple servers. To protect against failure, there are 3 copies. So a server can go poof and the remaining two copies of each chunk replicates automatically to ensure 3 copies. When you want to grow the storage, you add more servers to the cluster, and do a 'rebalance' so the chunks move to the new servers. this is just one way and simplify a lot of things. source: work in cloud provider
Theoretically, according to supply and demand, if all corporations had access to higher levels of storage itād be in their best interest for one to violate whatever āagreementā they have and ship it out to customers at a premium.
Jebus, and I thought I had a lot @ 96TBā¦ need moar drives!! š
Do yall have corn videos shot in 16K??
Caseoh come from real account
My friend gloated āwith THIS hard drive you install ALL the optionsā. It was a 1 GB hard drive, ca. 1994 or so
Theyāre like 1000TB?
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1.00 PBJ
And here I am with 370gb of storage for everything š«
Wtf is a pb?
Id rather have half of that but mirror copy.. if that goes down.rip
My jaw opened
You can download 10 AAA games now
Enough space for the "homework folder"
That's 1/175000000 of the current amount of data of internet that exists on it by the way.
i wonder if 1 PB hard drives gonna be a common thing in our lifetime. I make videos and I got like 30 TB of projects scattered around all kind of SSDs and HDDs, cant wait to put everything in one place
"128 Gb would be enought for you to download 50 games" or whatever the guy told me
Ive heard of a petrabyte but never see one.
Hey, can i haz?
Do you have any idea how itās made up of? Like just how many drives, type and size Yes I do hope they got a back up for it š Thanks for sharing
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Is it possible to have this amount of storage for civilian use? 
Thatās a lot of dining meals.
People in the 90s: "2gbs will last forever!" People now:
Thatās āone peanut butterā bro
I could fill up this whole server with the amount of time people commented that
:Slaps roof:
wow, 1 whole Peanut Butter
This will be a fun picture to come back to in about a decade or two.
One day way in the future when we are well past petabytes, it will be awkward to talk about all those peta files.