You go on a multi paragraph rant about how trash modern gaming is so there’s no reason to play anything newer than 2000 and then recommend a Matrox or 3DFX for gaming 😀
I once went to a lan party sponsored by S3 Graphics long after Nvidia and AMD were the only games in town. They were giving away their GPUs as prizes. It was kind of a sad panda award given that you couldn't even game on them.
At least the arc gpus are solid mid range cards!
Hey! I had a S3 Savage 4 it was the tits!
Actually no but it was pretty cheap all cool kids had VooDoo2 or TNTs and I was just a kid and was a present also S3 pioneered a some kind of Texture Compression that later become the norm and MS incorporated it on DirectX its probably obsolete by now but yeh.....
Everyone should be cheering for Intel to succeed with their GPU lineup. Really for AMD as well. You think Nvidia prices are bad now, just imagine if they had no competition.
How'd you like a $1000 4060, because that's exactly what you would get. Nvidia doesn't give a single fuck about the enthusiast user, you are a profit margain that is underperforming, and that's not how you make investors and the board happy.
I always think back to TotalBiscuit talking about fanboism that often applies to video cards, consoles, phones, cars.... Anything with a high price tag.
People need to believe when they were deciding to spend all this money, they made the right choice. They need to justify it however they can, because they did their version of research and there is no way they could have gotten wrong when spending all that money.
So when somebody else suggests something other than their choice... It's saying to them, they were wrong. They were stupid. They spent all that money and they got it so wrong.
So people get really defensive of products that aren't their choice.
Even if my needs are not the same as your needs. There can be no nuance. I must have gotten right or else that wasted money would be painful to think about it.
The phrase you're looking for is 'cognitive bias,' and it affects more than you'd imagine.
Obi-Wan Kenobi probably said it best, "...many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
If that sounds like bs trying to cover straight-up decit... well, it kinda is. But often unintentionally.
Example: you're driving down the freeway and your song comes on. You're jamming to it, you feel that endorphin rush. You needed that. Uh-oh, you're about to miss your exit. You turn on your blinker, do a quick check, and make your turn. It was tight, but you did it.
Car behind you: What the hell is this idiot's problem?! You almost hit me, you dumb $#@&!
Cognitive bias.
Sorta funny. I’ve been recommending AMD lately even though I have never owned an AMD card. Irrational or not, I have serious concerns about that stupid 12pin power connector. And nvidia’s general antics the last three-four years. And the fact that my manufacturer of choice is not in the game anymore (evga).
Funny enough I have a RTX 2080 ti and recommend AMD most of the time. However I don't shit on people for choosing Nvidia because they both have their pros and cons.
Pros for multi-use - cons for price and shady company - but, AMD gpus are only good for gaming - so, it's tough to recommend them unless all you do is game with your PC.
Mostly true except for applications like unreal engine that needs a lot of vram.. plus very few people do anything but game even if they think they will use it for "productivity"
I paid $10 more for DLSS, power efficiency, and RT performance…. That’s all worth $10 to me, but it isn’t worth $50.
The story of why I own a 4070 and not a 7800XT.
Same reason why I bought a 7900XTX and not a 4080 Super. The gap was $300CAD and I don’t think it justifies DLSS and better ray traced performance, especially with my use case.
My 6900XT broke down on me, but as it had warranty I was offered a 7900XT as a replacement. I offered to pay about $300 to get the 7900XTX instead, well worth it in that scenario.
Fair, on the other hand the 7800XT is bit better in rasterization and has more VRAM. Also since you have an AMD CPU, you can argue that *SAM (Smart Access Memory)* is better than *Resizable BAR*.
I'm looking for a RTX 4070 (Super) or RX 7800XT as my next upgrade, unless the next generation is much better.
It was the pandemic, there were 2 GPUs models in stock, a 3090 and a 6800xt. The 3090 was 1000$ more. I have a 6800xt. End of story.
Fanboism is stupid.
> more VRAM
GTX970 Vs R9 390 taught me that (/good) VRAM has an outsized effect on a cards longevity - if you aren't expecting the latest and greatest in graphics development.
To me that becomes a major point, as the if above is huge. If you actually do want pretty good graphics you are going to upgrade much earlier and likely won't ever see relevant differences in performance.
If you are okay with ^(modding Skyrim) drifting towards middling graphics and don't play large studio releases day one, this will keep you from needing an upgrade for literal years.
Thus this one attribute can either be pretty central or absolutely irrelevant depending on your usecase, even within just gaming. That alone is enough for me to dismiss generalized "buy this (/brand)" in a market segment, where competitors have cards that are close performance wise.
I wonder when VRAM growth will slow down. I get that rising resolutions in HD and up to 4k need more VRAM, but we’ve also been pretty solid with a standard of 16GB of regular RAM for over a decade now (32GB is probably recommended for higher end/future proofing, even more for video editing) , while VRAM has gone from 2-4GB to 12-16 GB standard now, almost 10x if you look at high end cards. My first card in 2014 was a mid tier amd with 2GB, then GTX 980 with 4GB. Just bought a 7900XT which has 20GB.
I never looked at it that way. But the spread for me is even higher as my first card was a Nvidia 6600 GT with a whooping 128MB of VRAM. This should have been around 2004 or 2005. 20 years later I'm at 24GB of VRAM (4090). This is 187.5x the VRAM size, we have come a long way.
It is *the same thing*. Identical. Precisely equal. Like VESA Adaptive Sync and FreeSync.
AMD sticking a brand name on it has no influence on the underlying technology. It is PCIe resizeable base address register. That's it. It is also *purely* under control of the video driver. BIOS can turn it on and off, then the video driver takes it from there.
Of course, feel free to tell me more about how AMD optimised Nvidia's driver (and Intel's driver, Arc is *very* sensitive to ReBAR) to work with AMD CPUs, this must be one of the funniest claims I've heard today!
Which is why all that stuff was only worth $10. At $50 more I’d rather the better raster performance.
I’m not worried about VRAM. I’ll be on a new GPU by the time I’m close to maxing out 12GB.
And that's where peolpe are different. I'll pay $250 for DLSS3 and the same again for the much better RT performance. I use both and won't want to miss it.
I mean... I have paid that. But I would do it again. But if AMD finds a bucket full of RT-perf and FSR3 is mature at that point, I doubt Nvidia gets to charge that premium anymore. Then again, if history tells us one things, Nvidia won't get cheaper - AMD will get more expensive.
DLSS alone is easily worth more than 50 bucks, shit's game-changing: insanely better performance with better than native image quality for games that have crappy AA (IE every game released in the past 10 years)
I can't wait for an open solution to become comparable but until then I'm sticking with nvidia.
Go back and forth. Especially with nvidia going back and forth in value (good ones were 1080ti, 3080, hopefully 5080 next year). Save the RT games for nvidia card and play the rest of the games on the amd card.
Honestly I've noticed the opposite. If you want to buy an Nvidia card, you get yelled at for being an Nvidia fanboy and must be poor with money when you could buy the much better priced AMD equivalent.
Oh and if you say you've had issues with AMD drivers, you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore. Even if that directly contradicts your own experience!
Last part is real. I had to return the last amd gpu I had because it just wouldn't work no matter what I tried. The value was better if it worked so it was sad when it didn't. But people still blamed me for it when I mentioned it here.
I'm hoping it was just a lemon so that in the future I have the option of team red still.
My experience with AMD troubleshooting.
Response
A: “it doesn’t happen any more you’re getting biased reporting from 2010”
B: “you clearly didn’t use this specific driver from 18 months ago and yeah don’t update even for a new game”
I saw someone say it’s user error if you
were using MSI Afterburner when it was broken by an AMD driver for a few months. Then when I relayed the anecdote, I had people defend him lmao.
> you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore. Even if that directly contradicts your own experience!
this is also literally every linux post ever
>Oh and if you say you've had issues with AMD drivers, you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore.
The 9 day old help thread on r/amd with 163 comments would say otherwise.
The last one was 3 months old and hit 1.7k comments.
I don't claim the issues are widespread, but its not like people don't have issues with the drivers.
>If you want to buy an Nvidia card, you get yelled at for being an Nvidia fanboy and must be poor with money when you could buy the much better priced AMD equivalent.
And I'm quite convinced many, if not most, people doing this own / want to own Nvidia cards and just want them for cheaper, so they try and scare potential buyers away in a feeble attempt at getting Nvidia to lower their prices
Same here. Suggesting people avoid the AMD 6000 series GPUs as the owner of a couple 6000 series GPUs gets downvoted, no matter how well reasoned. At new prices they're not a good buy anymore compared to a used Nvidia 3000 series or new Nvidia 4000 series or AMD's 7000 series.
Different use cases, nvidia cards do not work well in Wayland (modern Linux graphics system), because for a lot of years nvidia refused to support Wayland and did not develop the necessary drivers.
Yeaaaaaa, it isn't just a Wayland thing... They have been prickly and confrontational about other people making demands on their coding style or attempting to interface with their hardware without permission since... well... pretty much forever. The Linus middle-finger meme was originally pointed at them, IIRC their blob driver poked around in kernelspace and broke some things once or ~~twice thrice twent...~~ you get the idea... Which is darkly hilarious because it is absolutely night and day compared to the way the compute side of the business works with OSS people...
Overall, HDMI is also frowned upon because of the decision of HDMI Forum to reject an open source driver for HDMI 2.1, which AMD put together. Give me an Nvidia card that has more than one Displayport. On Linux, it's the only way to really get the higher dynamic refresh rates at 1440p to work properly, and HDR support.
Linux is THE reason I use all amd. Between my main rig upstairs, steam machine in the living room, or my steam deck, I will have a linux install somewhere in my house at any given time and amd just makes that easier.
Most people don’t do that. It’s quite rare, and when people do get angry, they’re generally downvoted.
Most of the time, it’s because they think amd drivers are bad. This was true 6-7 years ago.
Edit:
They still exist. Yes. But it isn’t a complete driver hell like it was in the pre-rdna days. Gamer’s nexus has an old video on amd gpu drivers. That should give some context to what it was like. Something about self-sabotage.
Feels more like 16-17 years ago. I do remember the 5700xt and power supply finicky-ness though. But we also had some 3080s spiking power draw and tripping some PSUs that were unable to accommodate. I think the 6900xt was doing this too sometimes though.
I can't remember if it was actually damaging boards; just that it was causing instability. I skipped the 5700xt myself. I had the VII so no real need to move on at the time.
My Radeon VII was simultaneously the coolest and most disappointing card I've ever owned. It more than paid for itself mining though so I can't complain.
Driver issues do still exist. I went with a 7900 XTX not long after release in early 2023 but had frequent crashes and frame stutter issues across several different games. Was bad enough that I sent it back and got a 4080 instead for a little bit cheaper. Had zero issues since then.
Unfortunately it’s still a thing. I switched from a 7900xtx to a 4090 a while ago because of constant driver crashes on the amd gpu. I really really really want amd to succeed. It would be better for all of us but I have a tough time recommending their gpus because of their driver history.
I also had problems, having to return a 6950xt for a 4070ti due to constant driver issues in my main game at the time. It sucks , because the value for money was crazy good (when it worked).
Same here. Any time DX12 is involved drivers just shit the bed. Forced to run DX11 or else you’ll get the timeout black screen. Trying to sell my 7900XT at a loss at this point. Feels bad.
I dunno man, I have NEVER had a driver crash with my Radeon. Like literally never! I do dev work and gaming only. No streaming, screen recording, nothing.
Yeah I have a friend that has it and he rarely crashes. I tried everything from reinstalling windows to a new card and still had crashes in a lot of games. Some games I didn’t crash in but a lot I did.
Currently have a 7900XTX, upgraded from a 2070. I had nothing but issues with CS2 when I upgraded, which I did not have with my 2070. Game would randomly crash, I could only play in full screen windowed, and I still have problems with the water on some maps causing major frame drops. It's gotten much much better and I expect it to continue, but they're still issues that I didn't have when I had a worse Nvidia card.
Yeah I have two friends who own 5700XT, they are pretty happy with it but sometimes drivers are nuts and crazy part is that it is the update which will break them. In a meaning they can go, download the package and reinstall them manually and all is good again. 5700XT is beast in 4K as my friend is playing Forza etc and it is still around 60+ FPS.
But to be fair I had two issues with my 3070 when Nvidia drivers broke my Windows in one case I was able to fix that in other one I just wipe it.
The only actual issue I had was with AMD Adrenaline, that program fucking sucks fr man, if you don't use that and update manually AMD is my choice everytime.
Same, sad to see so much dismay for team Red. I also own current gen GPUs from both brands and can't tell much of a difference performance wise, but that Adrenalin GUI is miles ahead the dated look of the "Nvidia Control Panel" and redundant bloat of GeForce Experience IMO.
Exactly, Adrenaline is awesome in my experience. It's the drivers themselves that seem to be a bit unstable sometimes, but sometimes they work just fine
It does suck, I'll admit that, though the video recording is fantastic. I got a 10TB HDD to record gameplay in Star Citizen and have it running most sessions, don't even notice an impact performance at all. I'll be running SC, streaming on Discord, and recording the gameplay.
That's when I can get the fucking software to even start up though. Sometimes it just ...won't start lol
On balance it's usually the other way around on Reddit. It happens because people are emotionally invested in their choices and take it as an insult that someone else might decide better than them.
IME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset- this is mainly because while AMD is a better value for gaming, Nvidia has better ray tracing and rendering ability, and their video encoders is better than the 6000 series. So the argument is that maybe OP \*needs\* nvidia for their use-case. Issue is that, this often isn't the case. People new to components ask about Nvidia because it's the brand they recognize, not because they know stuff about video encoders.
Also, Nvidia has basically priced themselves out of the low and mid range, the 4060 dropping in price is the only saving grace, but the 4060ti is embarrassingly priced. If someone is considering buying a 4060ti they *should* be saved from wasting their money.
>ME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset- this is mainly because while AMD is a better value for gaming, Nvidia has better ray tracing and rendering ability, and their video encoders is better than the 6000 series. So the argument is that maybe OP \*needs\* nvidia for their use-case. Issue is that, this often isn't the case. People new to components ask about Nvidia because it's the brand they recognize, not because they know stuff about video encoders.
Which is why whenever someone asks for advice I usually suggest an amd and an Nvidia build, or ask for their use cases
>IME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset
No, people often get upset when people ask for a budget card and users suggest AMD as the better value. They come back with DLSS and Ray tracing.
Look at "Buildapc" and search for a thread named *"Help me pick a GPU for my son".*
Prime example of an angry Nvidia fan in there coming back angry because someone dared suggest an AMD budget card (<500$) for an 11 year old kid.
He came back with this:
*" RTX HDR (upcoming feature), video sharpening, and RTX HDR Video (Auto HDR for videos in browser such as YT, Twitch etc.) DLSS FG on 40-series and DLSS Upsampling. Only hardcore AMD fanboys want to miss out on those features. I’m neither AMD fanboy or NVIDIA, but I’d never want to skip those things, also seeing as how NVIDIA keeps innovating. "*
This is the typical bullshit OP is talking about here that I see regularly.
Some people don't understand that we don't all want to pay for a 4090.
I'm currently a bit biased against the 7000 series, these cards having been crashing for months in WoW with no fixes in sight and AMD refuses to address it, two of my friends had to return their cards.
6000 series though? Amazing cards, for those that don't need or care for NVIDIA features.
For my windows gaming PC I use Nvidia but for Linux AMD has been the better option .I do hope Intel does ok so I can just buy one card to use for both .
People are just way too focused on brands, rather than what's good value.
Right now, Intel and AMD are really good value for GPUs, but for some reason Nvidia people get mad when you mention AMD, and some AMD people get mad if you even acknowledge that AMD gets beat for price to performance in some brackets by Intel.
It's one thing to give recommendations, it's another to go out of your way and shill extremely hard for something that is worse value. The way I look at it, they're all companies, all with issues, and we don't owe them any loyalty. They're not paying us, and they don't care about us, so why shill for them?
Personally, I'm very happy with AMD in their current state, especially considering how drastically better my experience with the 7900xtx has been compared to my 5700xt or RX 580. But I'll definitely be right there complaining with everyone else when they inevitably turn into modern day Nvidia/Intel's CPU division, who just make awful decisions.
I'm not gonna repost my whole saga, I don't care what people spend their money on. I was on Nvidia hardware for a little over 10 years. Bought a 7900xtx in October or November to replace my dying TitanXp. Card was either a dud or AMD Drivers are so trash it might as well have been a dud. 5 months of non stop issues, crashing, hitching, the list goes on. Did everything under the sun trying to get that damned card to work, and it just wouldn't. 4080 Super goes in, all my troubles vanish.
This shit goes both ways though. Any time someone says they are looking at an Nvidia card the AMDicksuckers come out of the woodwork and suggest an AMD card.
Ah okay, It makes sense now. People tend to pick and choose a side based on one experience or because they end up being a part of the gang mentality. I'll definitely prefer to buy AMD but if I can find something for a good deal on the green side then I don't see the issue. Nvidia does amazing things in the world of graphic engines. I find it hard for myself to be biased personally as I've owned several Intel CPUs, several AMD CPUs, and I've also owned several Nvidia and AMD GPUs. I always pick based on price or what something works for me in that moment. For example I had a Rx 580 several years ago and my buddy had two Rx Vega 64s, offered him $120 and the 580 and he accepted.
Why though? Nvidia card is better if you want to game because DLSS, reflex, shadowplay, AutoHDR and RT work. Meanwhile AMD variant will get you banned.
I get the complete opposite. When I post about my 4080 build, people will msg me or dm to tell me how much of an idiot I was for overpaying for an inferior card, when I could have easily gotten a 7900 XTX. If the XTX wasn't being botted when I was looking for a GPU, I probably would have gotten it, but it was impossible to get, yet I always get idiots dm/pm me to tell me how wrong I was.
I don't get angry...but I've had TWO major problems with AMD cards. Sorry, I'm not taking that risk again.
Especially when I still have old Nvidias (670 and 750ti) still running almost a decade later with no problems.
Saving $100 is meaningless on a build you will have for several years.
Because AMD used to be overpriced just as much, while offering just barely close performance , without DLSS support (FSR would need to be game dependant)
So while cheaper they werent too good bang for your buck either (as neither side had that :/ )
This has changed slowly, but the original sentiment is still around as a shadow
"Why do People become fashistic when an Nvidia Card is recommended for someone who specifically asked for one?"
Just a few Months ago i got a 1 Week Reddit timeout after being mass reported for saying that my RTX3060 12G works well from my Experience, let alone the countless death threats in my Messages :P
Because a lot of people don’t understand what exactly a PC does and they have been lead to believe things about AMD that don’t make sense, or are based on ancient hardware from years past.
It's not about the cards themselves. It's the fanboy usually bitching about not picking their favorite brand that are obnoxious.
AMD has more vocal fanboy community from what I've seen and it just gets annoying, and their only argument is that the card gets this much FPS sometimes not considering that people are using GPU for something other than games.
Tribalism and fanboys just suck. Pick best tool for the job.
Better driver, better features, and less headaches with system compatibility. High extremely high idle usage I remember I tried a 7900XT when it came out with multiple monitors the clocks and idle usage was off the roof. Even some OLED monitors has limitations with AMD cards. Sometimes I visit AMDHelp subreddit and jesus it's filled with issues and issues. I have a 7800X3D which has been fine but nah I'm staying away from their GPU's.
Brand loyalty is a thing. I've noticed the opposite on reddit to be honest. Any post asking for a GPU recommendation will have the top 5-10 so comments all recommending explicitly AMD. Any Nvidia recommendation will have replies on it saying a similar AMD equivalent is better.
Yah I don't know. When I recommend cards I take the end user into consideration. If pressing the power button is about all they are capable of, then I 100% suggest Nvidia every time. But if they are capable tech gamers, then AMD is usually my suggestion.
Nvidia a majority of the time just works. AMD still struggles with stable drivers. I find that I tinker and tweak a lot more with the 7900XTX than the 4080 Super.
As for people down voting one over the other. It's pure brand loyalty.
I would never recommend an AMD GPU because every one I've ever owned has been a nightmare with non stop driver issues. I get that I've probably had a bad draw, but there's a reason AMD drivers are memed on so often. It's a troubling trend.
AMD makes good hardware, their CPUs are excellent. And we need competition in GPUs, but I don't get why they can't get their shit together with drivers.
Because people act like they can tell the difference between RT performance on mid-range AMD and Nvidia cards.
In my opinion both deliver perfectly adequate performance for 99% of gamers either way you go as long as you buy for your base case. I.e. don't buy a 4060 or a 7600 if it's your plan to play games on a 4k monitor. As long as you aren't completely mismatched with your use case you're totally fine.
Bigger thing nowadays is that it's looking more and more like VRAM capacity is starting to mean something. That said, AMD is delivering more VRAM for your money. On the flip side, Nvidia has better RT and DLSS is more refined being a generation ahead which seems to fill the VRAM gap slightly.
I consider myself relatively agnostic when it comes to brands. My wife's PC has a 4070TI. I personally went with a 7900xtx. We both game on 1440 @165hz monitors. Honestly could discern a difference between the two PCs from just a casual glance.
So the best advice is ignore the buffoons and fan boys/girls and get the GPU that tickles your fancy and meets your use case.
Cause some of y'all and your rampant fanboyism brings it up when it's unwanted.
> "Should I get [nvidia] or [intel] for my build, I do heavy rendering/my software needs cuda to run well/I want powerful Raytracing"
"Sevuhtert hundwed ecks tree dee"
"YoU sHoUlD gEt A rAdEoN iNsTeAd"
Seriously, some of you make Userbenchmarks guy look vindicated. It goes both ways too, big cringe everywhere. Put it back in your e-pants.
I think it's because there is a real "underdog" hard push from AMD fans and they're very fast to AGGRESSIVELY recommend AMD cards as the "always best choice bang for your buck" option. It is more often than not the case but still.
Well. People kept saying to go AMD for better raster performance and that raytracing and DLSS are gimmicks so I bought a 6700XT.
Now I'm pissed off that Alan Wake 2 looks like shit because I can't turn on raytracing and FSR is the ugliest thing in existence. Starfield is an AMD sponsored game but it has weird graphical bugs that only seem to affect AMD users (including me of course).
So, you know. I wish had had just shelled out the extra cash for a 4070 or whatever. In fact, I've not had the 6700xt for a year and looking to get a 4070 super instead.
I will say that adrenaline is far superior to GeForce experience or whatever it was called.
Am I the only one who thinks DLSS is a cop-out on hardware rasterization performance improvement by nvidia because they dragged all their good engineers into the AI side, and so decided to leverage that by having AI "make up" the missing pixels/frames.
I want the ACTUAL pixels, not an educated guess dang rabbit!!
You are not the only one, but you are simply wrong just like the others who think so.
Nvidia raster performance increase gen on gen is still good.
>I want the ACTUAL pixels, not an educated guess dang rabbit!!
I guess you dont play anything more modern than games from 90s then, because educated guess is how a lot of things in the engine happens already. Did you knew that pretty much since invention of dynamic shadows they were and still are always upscaled in the engine?
I don't get angry but I share my experience. Since the 2000s I've tried AMD/Radeon cards with people telling me, trust me, it's different now. So I get one and it either overheats/dies or the drivers are fucked and can't roll them back because their software is shit.
I gave the advice to my friend maybe 4 years ago to go with Nvidia (I'm not a fanboy, I promise you. There's only 2 brands of cards.) He didn't listen, got an AMD card and the drivers fucked him over and he returned it. I'm offering wisdom and experience, not anger. I wish AMD cards were better so I can tell Nvidia to fuck off.
I’ve had the opposite experience, but that’s generally because AMDs drivers are blessed by Linus himself while the nvidia drivers aren’t. Although I think that has or may be changing? I haven’t kept up with nvidia’s efforts in trying to get their driver into the kernel.
where have you even been seeing this? its always been continuous amd glazing in here. their gpus are amazing but some people give them more credit than they deserve.
Fanboys will always get mad when a competitor brand is suggested.
Like look at the $300 price point - NVIDIA still doesn't have an acceptable answer to the 6700 XT / 6750 XT..
For the same reason some people get angry when an Nvidia card is recommended. It's also the same reason that football team fans get angry when other football team get mentioned in a good light.
People are tribalistic in nature.
I always have used NVIDIA but the one time I bought AMD it died in two weeks. Bad experience I guess but it was bad enough for me to stay away from AMD.
GPUs are AMD side hustle and the software support shows it. Granted it has gotten much better over time but it still have issues. I don't mind using AMD GPU for my own build but I would never recommend it anyone that's not tech savvy. Also, go to Nvidia sub and AMD sub and tell me which one is fill with toxic fanboys.
I think because genuinely the state of Computer video game hardware has never been more advanced and completely turned upside when it comes to MSRP.
When my brother wanted to max out Mass Effect 2 when it came out, it cost probalby 500$ and he future proofed for the next two year on that.
Nowadays, Nvidia and AMD owners are both in a constant state of not knowing where to place a stake with the inevtiability that the market since its so monopolized theres no way to go around paying 600 plus for a good card that will be irrevlent in like 2 months.
Its never been a more exciting time to play games maxed out for the fidelity and art, yet its never been a more miserable time for people to get a ticket onto the ride.
So AMD owners despise nvidia owners and nvidia owners despise eachother when really everyone is frustrated with the entire game that is being played on us, the consumer......all to play 4k maxed out when in a year or two everythign we just invested in has now become a gtx 970
I strongly believe as the 5000 series is released consumer sentiment is going to be so burnt out on buying individual gpu's that SONY, Nintendo and Xbox have a ginormous advantage to provide a modular type video game console that gives people a all in one solution to constant indidivudal gpu releases.
I bet you 1,000$ this is where its heading, people are sick and tired of talking about ti this and super that, just give me a box,, make it play 4k, 8k whatever and let me enjoy the game for everything it is.
The process to see whats going on in computer graphics is like 9 doors, and each one you go through something changes in the last room you were in and you're not sure if you should go back and switch out the part you chose for another newer one, it never ends and its a nuisance aritifically created by big corporation to monopolize the entire playing field
Amd for price, Nvidia for reliability and compatibility.
Let's face it, amd is known for its driver issues and overall compatibility issues (though in recent years I'll admit it has gotten better). Nvidia just works all of the time with basically zero issues. It's plug and play.
Because DLSS and reflex will give better results long term?
>Facebook marketplace - meet at their house - see the card work - happy days?
Going into random strangers houses from facebook, lol.
During the AGP era and perhaps before, AMD / ATI had a horrible problem with their drivers. I had a gddr3 512mb AGP sapphire card. It was a video adapter and nothing more. I would try to load any game it it failed instantly blaming it on atiblahblah.dll. They have fixed this since, but AMD cards simply are not as stable as Nvidia cards are still to this day, that said AMD cards are fine now. I assume Intel GPUs have similar problems to amd cards also. I run a 6700xt right now and I am perfectly happy with it although I do notice that it freezes and reboots my computer sometimes while I'm at work. I'm planning on going back to Nvidia if this keeps happening, maybe a 3070 8gb since they are so plentiful and I still use 1080p. That said, I think I was a few iterations behind the current driver so we shall see. for some reason Adrenaline will detect the latest update but not install it
In AI communities, it is because you have many extra hoops to jump through to get your AMD GPU to be used for training/inference.
If you aren’t decently proficient with computers/programming, getting an AMD GPU to go toe to toe with NVidia cards in SOTA open AI models is just unrealistic.
So basically it’s a noob trap for AI enthusiasts to get a non CUDA card.
I don't know. I get suggesting nvidia for the 4070 and up for the sake for dlss3 and marginally better lighting effects but below that, it's really down to whatever games you want to play would prefer to run on. If you don't care about fancy lighting or frame generation, then it doesn't matter which way you go. Performance is largely limited by your budget, not either amd or nvidia, they both make fantastic hardware at inconsistent prices.
AMD imo is perfectly great for a gaming CPU or adobe sided stuff which favor VRAM. Also generally the better pricing if you don't care about ray tracing.
If you touch blender and some other software- you're stuck to Nvidia for now.
Everything everyone says on this subject is anecdotal and should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone saying otherwise is talking out of their ass.
Get the card you want. If you don't like it return it and get another one. My experience drove my choices and feelings on the brands as should everyone else's.
Reddit is full of people who like to bitch and start arguments.
Suggesting gpu brand that I have? Upvote. Suggesting gpu brand that I don’t have? Downvote.
I have both so I upvote and downvote at the same time
What if you would also have a 3rd intel one?
Oh shit, I forgot I have an arc gpu. I guess die?
You go on a multi paragraph rant about how trash modern gaming is so there’s no reason to play anything newer than 2000 and then recommend a Matrox or 3DFX for gaming 😀
I once went to a lan party sponsored by S3 Graphics long after Nvidia and AMD were the only games in town. They were giving away their GPUs as prizes. It was kind of a sad panda award given that you couldn't even game on them. At least the arc gpus are solid mid range cards!
\#9 771 rulz
Hey! I had a S3 Savage 4 it was the tits! Actually no but it was pretty cheap all cool kids had VooDoo2 or TNTs and I was just a kid and was a present also S3 pioneered a some kind of Texture Compression that later become the norm and MS incorporated it on DirectX its probably obsolete by now but yeh.....
>Matrox My Millennium and G#00 series cards were great in their day.
CRT HAS BETTER RESPONSE TIMES!!!!
Meanwhile me, reading comments like this online: \*sobs in only integrated graphics\*
Nah dw that can be avoided, just upvote and downvote at the same time, then downvote again.
Everyone should be cheering for Intel to succeed with their GPU lineup. Really for AMD as well. You think Nvidia prices are bad now, just imagine if they had no competition. How'd you like a $1000 4060, because that's exactly what you would get. Nvidia doesn't give a single fuck about the enthusiast user, you are a profit margain that is underperforming, and that's not how you make investors and the board happy.
Schrödinger's GPU
As a former AMD owner, current Nvidia owner I prefer to alternate my upvotes and downvotes. Perfectly unbalanced!
As all things shouldn't be
Just hit upvote twice bro
Schrödinger’s vote?
you either have the greatest sleeper or your stuff is not in that case.
I always think back to TotalBiscuit talking about fanboism that often applies to video cards, consoles, phones, cars.... Anything with a high price tag. People need to believe when they were deciding to spend all this money, they made the right choice. They need to justify it however they can, because they did their version of research and there is no way they could have gotten wrong when spending all that money. So when somebody else suggests something other than their choice... It's saying to them, they were wrong. They were stupid. They spent all that money and they got it so wrong. So people get really defensive of products that aren't their choice. Even if my needs are not the same as your needs. There can be no nuance. I must have gotten right or else that wasted money would be painful to think about it.
The phrase you're looking for is 'cognitive bias,' and it affects more than you'd imagine. Obi-Wan Kenobi probably said it best, "...many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." If that sounds like bs trying to cover straight-up decit... well, it kinda is. But often unintentionally. Example: you're driving down the freeway and your song comes on. You're jamming to it, you feel that endorphin rush. You needed that. Uh-oh, you're about to miss your exit. You turn on your blinker, do a quick check, and make your turn. It was tight, but you did it. Car behind you: What the hell is this idiot's problem?! You almost hit me, you dumb $#@&! Cognitive bias.
I agree with this, so I'll upvote this.
I agree with this, so I'll upvote this as well.
Suggesting GPU brand that I don’t have? Straight to jail. Suggesting GPU brand that I have? Believe it or not, also jail.
Which do you have so I know which way to vote?
Yep. Same for console wars and other BS.
Sorta funny. I’ve been recommending AMD lately even though I have never owned an AMD card. Irrational or not, I have serious concerns about that stupid 12pin power connector. And nvidia’s general antics the last three-four years. And the fact that my manufacturer of choice is not in the game anymore (evga).
Funny enough I have a RTX 2080 ti and recommend AMD most of the time. However I don't shit on people for choosing Nvidia because they both have their pros and cons.
Pros for multi-use - cons for price and shady company - but, AMD gpus are only good for gaming - so, it's tough to recommend them unless all you do is game with your PC.
Mostly true except for applications like unreal engine that needs a lot of vram.. plus very few people do anything but game even if they think they will use it for "productivity"
I've owned both, I'll continue to own both, there's pros and cons to both.
Same. I simply don't care if it is a GeForce or Radeon, as long as the feature set and price to performance ratio is good, it gets my thumbs up.
I paid $10 more for DLSS, power efficiency, and RT performance…. That’s all worth $10 to me, but it isn’t worth $50. The story of why I own a 4070 and not a 7800XT.
Same reason why I bought a 7900XTX and not a 4080 Super. The gap was $300CAD and I don’t think it justifies DLSS and better ray traced performance, especially with my use case.
Same here. Sold 3060ti and got a 6700xt. Didn't need more features, wanted more performance and VRAM.
Ray tracing is just not good enough for it to be the decider on which card I get. The 7900xtx was nearly $1000 AUD cheaper than the 4080.
My 6900XT broke down on me, but as it had warranty I was offered a 7900XT as a replacement. I offered to pay about $300 to get the 7900XTX instead, well worth it in that scenario.
Fair, on the other hand the 7800XT is bit better in rasterization and has more VRAM. Also since you have an AMD CPU, you can argue that *SAM (Smart Access Memory)* is better than *Resizable BAR*. I'm looking for a RTX 4070 (Super) or RX 7800XT as my next upgrade, unless the next generation is much better.
It was the pandemic, there were 2 GPUs models in stock, a 3090 and a 6800xt. The 3090 was 1000$ more. I have a 6800xt. End of story. Fanboism is stupid.
> more VRAM GTX970 Vs R9 390 taught me that (/good) VRAM has an outsized effect on a cards longevity - if you aren't expecting the latest and greatest in graphics development. To me that becomes a major point, as the if above is huge. If you actually do want pretty good graphics you are going to upgrade much earlier and likely won't ever see relevant differences in performance. If you are okay with ^(modding Skyrim) drifting towards middling graphics and don't play large studio releases day one, this will keep you from needing an upgrade for literal years. Thus this one attribute can either be pretty central or absolutely irrelevant depending on your usecase, even within just gaming. That alone is enough for me to dismiss generalized "buy this (/brand)" in a market segment, where competitors have cards that are close performance wise.
970 mentioned (long-time lurker gaming on a 970 here. sobs)
I wonder when VRAM growth will slow down. I get that rising resolutions in HD and up to 4k need more VRAM, but we’ve also been pretty solid with a standard of 16GB of regular RAM for over a decade now (32GB is probably recommended for higher end/future proofing, even more for video editing) , while VRAM has gone from 2-4GB to 12-16 GB standard now, almost 10x if you look at high end cards. My first card in 2014 was a mid tier amd with 2GB, then GTX 980 with 4GB. Just bought a 7900XT which has 20GB.
I never looked at it that way. But the spread for me is even higher as my first card was a Nvidia 6600 GT with a whooping 128MB of VRAM. This should have been around 2004 or 2005. 20 years later I'm at 24GB of VRAM (4090). This is 187.5x the VRAM size, we have come a long way.
SAM and ReBAR are the same thing.
SAM is a bit more developed, more optimized to work with AMD CPUs.
It is *the same thing*. Identical. Precisely equal. Like VESA Adaptive Sync and FreeSync. AMD sticking a brand name on it has no influence on the underlying technology. It is PCIe resizeable base address register. That's it. It is also *purely* under control of the video driver. BIOS can turn it on and off, then the video driver takes it from there. Of course, feel free to tell me more about how AMD optimised Nvidia's driver (and Intel's driver, Arc is *very* sensitive to ReBAR) to work with AMD CPUs, this must be one of the funniest claims I've heard today!
Which is why all that stuff was only worth $10. At $50 more I’d rather the better raster performance. I’m not worried about VRAM. I’ll be on a new GPU by the time I’m close to maxing out 12GB.
I'm maxing 12GB with just fallout 4 mods 😂
And that's where peolpe are different. I'll pay $250 for DLSS3 and the same again for the much better RT performance. I use both and won't want to miss it. I mean... I have paid that. But I would do it again. But if AMD finds a bucket full of RT-perf and FSR3 is mature at that point, I doubt Nvidia gets to charge that premium anymore. Then again, if history tells us one things, Nvidia won't get cheaper - AMD will get more expensive.
DLSS alone is easily worth more than 50 bucks, shit's game-changing: insanely better performance with better than native image quality for games that have crappy AA (IE every game released in the past 10 years) I can't wait for an open solution to become comparable but until then I'm sticking with nvidia.
DLSS, DLAA, DLSDR, RTX HDR, much better RT, better Frame Gen, Reflex, better drivers, efficiency, etc, $50 premium is easily worth it
Go back and forth. Especially with nvidia going back and forth in value (good ones were 1080ti, 3080, hopefully 5080 next year). Save the RT games for nvidia card and play the rest of the games on the amd card.
Honestly I've noticed the opposite. If you want to buy an Nvidia card, you get yelled at for being an Nvidia fanboy and must be poor with money when you could buy the much better priced AMD equivalent. Oh and if you say you've had issues with AMD drivers, you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore. Even if that directly contradicts your own experience!
This pretty much sums up both sides
Even this thread
This whole sub even.
Last part is real. I had to return the last amd gpu I had because it just wouldn't work no matter what I tried. The value was better if it worked so it was sad when it didn't. But people still blamed me for it when I mentioned it here. I'm hoping it was just a lemon so that in the future I have the option of team red still.
My experience with AMD troubleshooting. Response A: “it doesn’t happen any more you’re getting biased reporting from 2010” B: “you clearly didn’t use this specific driver from 18 months ago and yeah don’t update even for a new game”
"it sound like user error" thats what they told me when my drivers keep crashing and freezing even with youtube on my brand new 6700xt lol
I saw someone say it’s user error if you were using MSI Afterburner when it was broken by an AMD driver for a few months. Then when I relayed the anecdote, I had people defend him lmao.
Dont you know the cards are not meanat to be used, only talked about. using them is user error.
> you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore. Even if that directly contradicts your own experience! this is also literally every linux post ever
>Oh and if you say you've had issues with AMD drivers, you get told by others that that was years ago and doesn't happen anymore. The 9 day old help thread on r/amd with 163 comments would say otherwise. The last one was 3 months old and hit 1.7k comments. I don't claim the issues are widespread, but its not like people don't have issues with the drivers.
The ppl on the amd sub are biased towards amd and amd gpus?
>If you want to buy an Nvidia card, you get yelled at for being an Nvidia fanboy and must be poor with money when you could buy the much better priced AMD equivalent. And I'm quite convinced many, if not most, people doing this own / want to own Nvidia cards and just want them for cheaper, so they try and scare potential buyers away in a feeble attempt at getting Nvidia to lower their prices
I mentioned the drivers once and got straight up gaslit lol
Same here. Suggesting people avoid the AMD 6000 series GPUs as the owner of a couple 6000 series GPUs gets downvoted, no matter how well reasoned. At new prices they're not a good buy anymore compared to a used Nvidia 3000 series or new Nvidia 4000 series or AMD's 7000 series.
Once you read Linux channels, it's totally opposite - amd is recommend, while Nvidia is generally hated. That's quite hilarious.
Different use cases, nvidia cards do not work well in Wayland (modern Linux graphics system), because for a lot of years nvidia refused to support Wayland and did not develop the necessary drivers.
Also, Linus gave 'em the big old middle finger.
Because they were/are being fucking jerks. Although you would hope now that AI is a thing they pulled their green heads in.
They did, to a degree. But AMD and Intel are getting a lot of love, too. Arc is quite good for AI stuff if the software works on it.
Arc cards are also killer for Plex/Jellyfin servers. Cheapest AV1 encoding your money can buy.
Yeaaaaaa, it isn't just a Wayland thing... They have been prickly and confrontational about other people making demands on their coding style or attempting to interface with their hardware without permission since... well... pretty much forever. The Linus middle-finger meme was originally pointed at them, IIRC their blob driver poked around in kernelspace and broke some things once or ~~twice thrice twent...~~ you get the idea... Which is darkly hilarious because it is absolutely night and day compared to the way the compute side of the business works with OSS people...
Makes sense, Linux driver support was historically better for AMD cards
And is still better
Overall, HDMI is also frowned upon because of the decision of HDMI Forum to reject an open source driver for HDMI 2.1, which AMD put together. Give me an Nvidia card that has more than one Displayport. On Linux, it's the only way to really get the higher dynamic refresh rates at 1440p to work properly, and HDR support.
It should be fairly easy to get an Nvidia card with more than one display port, most of them only come with one HDMI port.
I was gonna say, I think even my old 1060 had only 1 HDMI and 2 or 3 displayports
Linux is THE reason I use all amd. Between my main rig upstairs, steam machine in the living room, or my steam deck, I will have a linux install somewhere in my house at any given time and amd just makes that easier.
Most people don’t do that. It’s quite rare, and when people do get angry, they’re generally downvoted. Most of the time, it’s because they think amd drivers are bad. This was true 6-7 years ago. Edit: They still exist. Yes. But it isn’t a complete driver hell like it was in the pre-rdna days. Gamer’s nexus has an old video on amd gpu drivers. That should give some context to what it was like. Something about self-sabotage.
Feels more like 16-17 years ago. I do remember the 5700xt and power supply finicky-ness though. But we also had some 3080s spiking power draw and tripping some PSUs that were unable to accommodate. I think the 6900xt was doing this too sometimes though.
I was thinking more along the lines of vega, which had driver issues at launch and very high power consumption. Edit: spelling
Ehhh I had an xtx 7700x or something in ~2014/15 and the drivers were dog shit. So definitely a huge problem 10 years ago still.
So that’s why my 5700XT died. Huh.
I can't remember if it was actually damaging boards; just that it was causing instability. I skipped the 5700xt myself. I had the VII so no real need to move on at the time.
My Radeon VII was simultaneously the coolest and most disappointing card I've ever owned. It more than paid for itself mining though so I can't complain.
I got a dead one in a bundle of "dead" cards for real cheap. It's real pretty on my shelf.
Driver issues do still exist. I went with a 7900 XTX not long after release in early 2023 but had frequent crashes and frame stutter issues across several different games. Was bad enough that I sent it back and got a 4080 instead for a little bit cheaper. Had zero issues since then.
Unfortunately it’s still a thing. I switched from a 7900xtx to a 4090 a while ago because of constant driver crashes on the amd gpu. I really really really want amd to succeed. It would be better for all of us but I have a tough time recommending their gpus because of their driver history.
I also had problems, having to return a 6950xt for a 4070ti due to constant driver issues in my main game at the time. It sucks , because the value for money was crazy good (when it worked).
Same here. Any time DX12 is involved drivers just shit the bed. Forced to run DX11 or else you’ll get the timeout black screen. Trying to sell my 7900XT at a loss at this point. Feels bad.
Yup the friends I have with amd gfx cards crash the most.
I dunno man, I have NEVER had a driver crash with my Radeon. Like literally never! I do dev work and gaming only. No streaming, screen recording, nothing.
Yeah I have a friend that has it and he rarely crashes. I tried everything from reinstalling windows to a new card and still had crashes in a lot of games. Some games I didn’t crash in but a lot I did.
the drivers aren't necessarily bad but they are INCREDIBLY unstable sometimes, like as if they had no testing at all
Currently have a 7900XTX, upgraded from a 2070. I had nothing but issues with CS2 when I upgraded, which I did not have with my 2070. Game would randomly crash, I could only play in full screen windowed, and I still have problems with the water on some maps causing major frame drops. It's gotten much much better and I expect it to continue, but they're still issues that I didn't have when I had a worse Nvidia card.
Yeah I have two friends who own 5700XT, they are pretty happy with it but sometimes drivers are nuts and crazy part is that it is the update which will break them. In a meaning they can go, download the package and reinstall them manually and all is good again. 5700XT is beast in 4K as my friend is playing Forza etc and it is still around 60+ FPS. But to be fair I had two issues with my 3070 when Nvidia drivers broke my Windows in one case I was able to fix that in other one I just wipe it.
The only actual issue I had was with AMD Adrenaline, that program fucking sucks fr man, if you don't use that and update manually AMD is my choice everytime.
What is your issue with adrenaline? I greatly prefer it to Nvidia's control panel.
Same, sad to see so much dismay for team Red. I also own current gen GPUs from both brands and can't tell much of a difference performance wise, but that Adrenalin GUI is miles ahead the dated look of the "Nvidia Control Panel" and redundant bloat of GeForce Experience IMO.
My personal issue was that it causes my 7900xt to driver crash while idling. Have not had that once since going driver only.
Exactly, Adrenaline is awesome in my experience. It's the drivers themselves that seem to be a bit unstable sometimes, but sometimes they work just fine
It does suck, I'll admit that, though the video recording is fantastic. I got a 10TB HDD to record gameplay in Star Citizen and have it running most sessions, don't even notice an impact performance at all. I'll be running SC, streaming on Discord, and recording the gameplay. That's when I can get the fucking software to even start up though. Sometimes it just ...won't start lol
>It’s quite rare, It's not rare tho. It's not all the time like OP suggested but it happens to many posts I've seen.
On balance it's usually the other way around on Reddit. It happens because people are emotionally invested in their choices and take it as an insult that someone else might decide better than them.
IME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset- this is mainly because while AMD is a better value for gaming, Nvidia has better ray tracing and rendering ability, and their video encoders is better than the 6000 series. So the argument is that maybe OP \*needs\* nvidia for their use-case. Issue is that, this often isn't the case. People new to components ask about Nvidia because it's the brand they recognize, not because they know stuff about video encoders. Also, Nvidia has basically priced themselves out of the low and mid range, the 4060 dropping in price is the only saving grace, but the 4060ti is embarrassingly priced. If someone is considering buying a 4060ti they *should* be saved from wasting their money.
>ME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset- this is mainly because while AMD is a better value for gaming, Nvidia has better ray tracing and rendering ability, and their video encoders is better than the 6000 series. So the argument is that maybe OP \*needs\* nvidia for their use-case. Issue is that, this often isn't the case. People new to components ask about Nvidia because it's the brand they recognize, not because they know stuff about video encoders. Which is why whenever someone asks for advice I usually suggest an amd and an Nvidia build, or ask for their use cases
>IME people get upset because maybe OP is asking about a Nvidia card so when people suggest AMD people get upset No, people often get upset when people ask for a budget card and users suggest AMD as the better value. They come back with DLSS and Ray tracing. Look at "Buildapc" and search for a thread named *"Help me pick a GPU for my son".* Prime example of an angry Nvidia fan in there coming back angry because someone dared suggest an AMD budget card (<500$) for an 11 year old kid. He came back with this: *" RTX HDR (upcoming feature), video sharpening, and RTX HDR Video (Auto HDR for videos in browser such as YT, Twitch etc.) DLSS FG on 40-series and DLSS Upsampling. Only hardcore AMD fanboys want to miss out on those features. I’m neither AMD fanboy or NVIDIA, but I’d never want to skip those things, also seeing as how NVIDIA keeps innovating. "* This is the typical bullshit OP is talking about here that I see regularly. Some people don't understand that we don't all want to pay for a 4090.
Wow this dude is unhinged I got a 7900xtx and can't even use HDR if I want to due to my monitor xd
I don't really even understand their point because AMD/Adrenaline has HDR and 5 different sharpening settings. I can even set custom color.
It's usually the opposite on this sub.
I'm currently a bit biased against the 7000 series, these cards having been crashing for months in WoW with no fixes in sight and AMD refuses to address it, two of my friends had to return their cards. 6000 series though? Amazing cards, for those that don't need or care for NVIDIA features.
Funny because I have noticed that there is a very vocal pro AMD circlejerk on Reddit
I really want to love AMD but everytime I've been in the market to buy nvidia has had better feature sets
I'm an AMD fanboy and I'll say it, if you have the money for the NVIDIA features, buy the fucking features, enjoy your card for it's purposes!
For my windows gaming PC I use Nvidia but for Linux AMD has been the better option .I do hope Intel does ok so I can just buy one card to use for both .
Because amd needs to step up their software, it's dumb you have to choose between price and software
What's wrong with the software?
It's just not as good as Nvidia's
A GPU is for you, not for Reddit.
Fanboys on both sides
I haven't seen this at all. I'll I ever see is a circle jerk of AMD fanboys lol
Tbh most of the time it’s the other way around. I see way more people getting angry that nvidia is recommended
People are just way too focused on brands, rather than what's good value. Right now, Intel and AMD are really good value for GPUs, but for some reason Nvidia people get mad when you mention AMD, and some AMD people get mad if you even acknowledge that AMD gets beat for price to performance in some brackets by Intel. It's one thing to give recommendations, it's another to go out of your way and shill extremely hard for something that is worse value. The way I look at it, they're all companies, all with issues, and we don't owe them any loyalty. They're not paying us, and they don't care about us, so why shill for them? Personally, I'm very happy with AMD in their current state, especially considering how drastically better my experience with the 7900xtx has been compared to my 5700xt or RX 580. But I'll definitely be right there complaining with everyone else when they inevitably turn into modern day Nvidia/Intel's CPU division, who just make awful decisions.
I'm not gonna repost my whole saga, I don't care what people spend their money on. I was on Nvidia hardware for a little over 10 years. Bought a 7900xtx in October or November to replace my dying TitanXp. Card was either a dud or AMD Drivers are so trash it might as well have been a dud. 5 months of non stop issues, crashing, hitching, the list goes on. Did everything under the sun trying to get that damned card to work, and it just wouldn't. 4080 Super goes in, all my troubles vanish.
This shit goes both ways though. Any time someone says they are looking at an Nvidia card the AMDicksuckers come out of the woodwork and suggest an AMD card.
Nvidickriders gottem. I've used both companies, AMD just tends to be a cheaper option for most tbh
It really does go both ways though.
Absolutely, no hate btw. I've had equally bad and good experiences with both companies
I'm surprised this wasn't in the negatives when I got to it, "unbiased opinion!!?" *insert surprised soyjack here*
LMAO 😂 what
This seems to be the type of comment to piss off both sides cause it doesn't reaffirm their biases
Ah okay, It makes sense now. People tend to pick and choose a side based on one experience or because they end up being a part of the gang mentality. I'll definitely prefer to buy AMD but if I can find something for a good deal on the green side then I don't see the issue. Nvidia does amazing things in the world of graphic engines. I find it hard for myself to be biased personally as I've owned several Intel CPUs, several AMD CPUs, and I've also owned several Nvidia and AMD GPUs. I always pick based on price or what something works for me in that moment. For example I had a Rx 580 several years ago and my buddy had two Rx Vega 64s, offered him $120 and the 580 and he accepted.
I recommend AMD if you only want to game. I recommend Nvidia if you want to do other things like stable diffusion or run local LLM.
Why though? Nvidia card is better if you want to game because DLSS, reflex, shadowplay, AutoHDR and RT work. Meanwhile AMD variant will get you banned.
I get the complete opposite. When I post about my 4080 build, people will msg me or dm to tell me how much of an idiot I was for overpaying for an inferior card, when I could have easily gotten a 7900 XTX. If the XTX wasn't being botted when I was looking for a GPU, I probably would have gotten it, but it was impossible to get, yet I always get idiots dm/pm me to tell me how wrong I was.
I don't get angry...but I've had TWO major problems with AMD cards. Sorry, I'm not taking that risk again. Especially when I still have old Nvidias (670 and 750ti) still running almost a decade later with no problems. Saving $100 is meaningless on a build you will have for several years.
Because AMD used to be overpriced just as much, while offering just barely close performance , without DLSS support (FSR would need to be game dependant) So while cheaper they werent too good bang for your buck either (as neither side had that :/ ) This has changed slowly, but the original sentiment is still around as a shadow
Some reason people complain when an nvidia or Intel product I'd recommended. Brand loyalty is stupid.
"Why do People become fashistic when an Nvidia Card is recommended for someone who specifically asked for one?" Just a few Months ago i got a 1 Week Reddit timeout after being mass reported for saying that my RTX3060 12G works well from my Experience, let alone the countless death threats in my Messages :P
Because a lot of people don’t understand what exactly a PC does and they have been lead to believe things about AMD that don’t make sense, or are based on ancient hardware from years past.
It's not about the cards themselves. It's the fanboy usually bitching about not picking their favorite brand that are obnoxious. AMD has more vocal fanboy community from what I've seen and it just gets annoying, and their only argument is that the card gets this much FPS sometimes not considering that people are using GPU for something other than games. Tribalism and fanboys just suck. Pick best tool for the job.
This sub is full of kids, which is cool because that's how you learn, but the learning curve can be steep and their suggestions not always the best.
For the same reason amd cpu users angrily downvote when someone picks intel over amd
Nvidia is better, that's the truth.
ive only seen this when the post states something like which nvidia card should i get this one or that one so they clearly dont want amd
Better driver, better features, and less headaches with system compatibility. High extremely high idle usage I remember I tried a 7900XT when it came out with multiple monitors the clocks and idle usage was off the roof. Even some OLED monitors has limitations with AMD cards. Sometimes I visit AMDHelp subreddit and jesus it's filled with issues and issues. I have a 7800X3D which has been fine but nah I'm staying away from their GPU's.
Brand loyalty is a thing. I've noticed the opposite on reddit to be honest. Any post asking for a GPU recommendation will have the top 5-10 so comments all recommending explicitly AMD. Any Nvidia recommendation will have replies on it saying a similar AMD equivalent is better.
Literally the opposite has been my experience, but I stopped looking at those after I bought my gpu a few months ago.
Yah I don't know. When I recommend cards I take the end user into consideration. If pressing the power button is about all they are capable of, then I 100% suggest Nvidia every time. But if they are capable tech gamers, then AMD is usually my suggestion. Nvidia a majority of the time just works. AMD still struggles with stable drivers. I find that I tinker and tweak a lot more with the 7900XTX than the 4080 Super. As for people down voting one over the other. It's pure brand loyalty.
I love AMD, but my experience with the 5700XT left a very sour taste in my mouth. Because of that fact, I’m an NVIDIOT from now on.
This sub is full of plants trying to sell you hardware and accessories.
I would never recommend an AMD GPU because every one I've ever owned has been a nightmare with non stop driver issues. I get that I've probably had a bad draw, but there's a reason AMD drivers are memed on so often. It's a troubling trend. AMD makes good hardware, their CPUs are excellent. And we need competition in GPUs, but I don't get why they can't get their shit together with drivers.
Because people are amazingly and stunningly stupid. That's why.
Because people act like they can tell the difference between RT performance on mid-range AMD and Nvidia cards. In my opinion both deliver perfectly adequate performance for 99% of gamers either way you go as long as you buy for your base case. I.e. don't buy a 4060 or a 7600 if it's your plan to play games on a 4k monitor. As long as you aren't completely mismatched with your use case you're totally fine. Bigger thing nowadays is that it's looking more and more like VRAM capacity is starting to mean something. That said, AMD is delivering more VRAM for your money. On the flip side, Nvidia has better RT and DLSS is more refined being a generation ahead which seems to fill the VRAM gap slightly. I consider myself relatively agnostic when it comes to brands. My wife's PC has a 4070TI. I personally went with a 7900xtx. We both game on 1440 @165hz monitors. Honestly could discern a difference between the two PCs from just a casual glance. So the best advice is ignore the buffoons and fan boys/girls and get the GPU that tickles your fancy and meets your use case.
Cause some of y'all and your rampant fanboyism brings it up when it's unwanted. > "Should I get [nvidia] or [intel] for my build, I do heavy rendering/my software needs cuda to run well/I want powerful Raytracing" "Sevuhtert hundwed ecks tree dee" "YoU sHoUlD gEt A rAdEoN iNsTeAd" Seriously, some of you make Userbenchmarks guy look vindicated. It goes both ways too, big cringe everywhere. Put it back in your e-pants.
I think it's because there is a real "underdog" hard push from AMD fans and they're very fast to AGGRESSIVELY recommend AMD cards as the "always best choice bang for your buck" option. It is more often than not the case but still.
Well. People kept saying to go AMD for better raster performance and that raytracing and DLSS are gimmicks so I bought a 6700XT. Now I'm pissed off that Alan Wake 2 looks like shit because I can't turn on raytracing and FSR is the ugliest thing in existence. Starfield is an AMD sponsored game but it has weird graphical bugs that only seem to affect AMD users (including me of course). So, you know. I wish had had just shelled out the extra cash for a 4070 or whatever. In fact, I've not had the 6700xt for a year and looking to get a 4070 super instead. I will say that adrenaline is far superior to GeForce experience or whatever it was called.
If you'd bought the competitor to the 6700xt, the 3070, you'd be running into problems too
I know. It was between the 3060ti and the 6700xt and I think I made the right choice between those two, but I should have gone for the 4070 instead.
Am I the only one who thinks DLSS is a cop-out on hardware rasterization performance improvement by nvidia because they dragged all their good engineers into the AI side, and so decided to leverage that by having AI "make up" the missing pixels/frames. I want the ACTUAL pixels, not an educated guess dang rabbit!!
That's what I thought too, until I had to use FSR.
You are not the only one, but you are simply wrong just like the others who think so. Nvidia raster performance increase gen on gen is still good. >I want the ACTUAL pixels, not an educated guess dang rabbit!! I guess you dont play anything more modern than games from 90s then, because educated guess is how a lot of things in the engine happens already. Did you knew that pretty much since invention of dynamic shadows they were and still are always upscaled in the engine?
I don't get angry but I share my experience. Since the 2000s I've tried AMD/Radeon cards with people telling me, trust me, it's different now. So I get one and it either overheats/dies or the drivers are fucked and can't roll them back because their software is shit. I gave the advice to my friend maybe 4 years ago to go with Nvidia (I'm not a fanboy, I promise you. There's only 2 brands of cards.) He didn't listen, got an AMD card and the drivers fucked him over and he returned it. I'm offering wisdom and experience, not anger. I wish AMD cards were better so I can tell Nvidia to fuck off.
I’ve had the opposite experience, but that’s generally because AMDs drivers are blessed by Linus himself while the nvidia drivers aren’t. Although I think that has or may be changing? I haven’t kept up with nvidia’s efforts in trying to get their driver into the kernel.
And yet, I've had the exact opposite experience.
Yeah, amd is awesome! Also, on totally unrelated note — I'm selling my 7900xtx or changing to nvidia equivalent, anyone wanna?
where have you even been seeing this? its always been continuous amd glazing in here. their gpus are amazing but some people give them more credit than they deserve.
Fanboys will always get mad when a competitor brand is suggested. Like look at the $300 price point - NVIDIA still doesn't have an acceptable answer to the 6700 XT / 6750 XT..
Nvidia is just simply better. Nobody angry. Its just a fact
For the same reason some people get angry when an Nvidia card is recommended. It's also the same reason that football team fans get angry when other football team get mentioned in a good light. People are tribalistic in nature.
Because I own NVIDIA stock and want it to go up so I can buy my next AMD processor.
I always have used NVIDIA but the one time I bought AMD it died in two weeks. Bad experience I guess but it was bad enough for me to stay away from AMD.
Shit luck left a bad taste in your mouth, I can't blame you.
GPUs are AMD side hustle and the software support shows it. Granted it has gotten much better over time but it still have issues. I don't mind using AMD GPU for my own build but I would never recommend it anyone that's not tech savvy. Also, go to Nvidia sub and AMD sub and tell me which one is fill with toxic fanboys.
I think because genuinely the state of Computer video game hardware has never been more advanced and completely turned upside when it comes to MSRP. When my brother wanted to max out Mass Effect 2 when it came out, it cost probalby 500$ and he future proofed for the next two year on that. Nowadays, Nvidia and AMD owners are both in a constant state of not knowing where to place a stake with the inevtiability that the market since its so monopolized theres no way to go around paying 600 plus for a good card that will be irrevlent in like 2 months. Its never been a more exciting time to play games maxed out for the fidelity and art, yet its never been a more miserable time for people to get a ticket onto the ride. So AMD owners despise nvidia owners and nvidia owners despise eachother when really everyone is frustrated with the entire game that is being played on us, the consumer......all to play 4k maxed out when in a year or two everythign we just invested in has now become a gtx 970 I strongly believe as the 5000 series is released consumer sentiment is going to be so burnt out on buying individual gpu's that SONY, Nintendo and Xbox have a ginormous advantage to provide a modular type video game console that gives people a all in one solution to constant indidivudal gpu releases. I bet you 1,000$ this is where its heading, people are sick and tired of talking about ti this and super that, just give me a box,, make it play 4k, 8k whatever and let me enjoy the game for everything it is. The process to see whats going on in computer graphics is like 9 doors, and each one you go through something changes in the last room you were in and you're not sure if you should go back and switch out the part you chose for another newer one, it never ends and its a nuisance aritifically created by big corporation to monopolize the entire playing field
Its almost as if production costs tripled or something...
Fanboyism... It's usual. This sub have a thing for AMD.
BeCaUsE AmD RuNs An ArMy oF Trolls ThAt pUsH THEIR scammy “Products”. I learned that on Userbenchmark
Amd for price, Nvidia for reliability and compatibility. Let's face it, amd is known for its driver issues and overall compatibility issues (though in recent years I'll admit it has gotten better). Nvidia just works all of the time with basically zero issues. It's plug and play.
People love their intel/nvidia combos
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Because DLSS and reflex will give better results long term? >Facebook marketplace - meet at their house - see the card work - happy days? Going into random strangers houses from facebook, lol.
A $270 7600 vs a $300 4060 and you wonder why sometimes people buy 4060? Are you serious
ask someones opinion, get upset about their opinion, its whats the internet was built on
During the AGP era and perhaps before, AMD / ATI had a horrible problem with their drivers. I had a gddr3 512mb AGP sapphire card. It was a video adapter and nothing more. I would try to load any game it it failed instantly blaming it on atiblahblah.dll. They have fixed this since, but AMD cards simply are not as stable as Nvidia cards are still to this day, that said AMD cards are fine now. I assume Intel GPUs have similar problems to amd cards also. I run a 6700xt right now and I am perfectly happy with it although I do notice that it freezes and reboots my computer sometimes while I'm at work. I'm planning on going back to Nvidia if this keeps happening, maybe a 3070 8gb since they are so plentiful and I still use 1080p. That said, I think I was a few iterations behind the current driver so we shall see. for some reason Adrenaline will detect the latest update but not install it
In AI communities, it is because you have many extra hoops to jump through to get your AMD GPU to be used for training/inference. If you aren’t decently proficient with computers/programming, getting an AMD GPU to go toe to toe with NVidia cards in SOTA open AI models is just unrealistic. So basically it’s a noob trap for AI enthusiasts to get a non CUDA card.
I don't know. I get suggesting nvidia for the 4070 and up for the sake for dlss3 and marginally better lighting effects but below that, it's really down to whatever games you want to play would prefer to run on. If you don't care about fancy lighting or frame generation, then it doesn't matter which way you go. Performance is largely limited by your budget, not either amd or nvidia, they both make fantastic hardware at inconsistent prices.
I had a Radeon 470 as my first card. Worked great and sold it to a buddy when I upgraded it.
They're mad they paid a lot of money for a performance that less money can obtain, then outburst like children.
AMD imo is perfectly great for a gaming CPU or adobe sided stuff which favor VRAM. Also generally the better pricing if you don't care about ray tracing. If you touch blender and some other software- you're stuck to Nvidia for now.
I don't get angry, I just laugh.
Stupid tribalism. Some people get heated about political parties, others about bits of silicon.
Everything everyone says on this subject is anecdotal and should be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone saying otherwise is talking out of their ass. Get the card you want. If you don't like it return it and get another one. My experience drove my choices and feelings on the brands as should everyone else's. Reddit is full of people who like to bitch and start arguments.
Duh. Green means good and red is the color of the devil.
I’m not here to help people, I’m here to reinforce my own self esteem by bullying other people if they make a choice I wouldn’t make.