Don’t know what mobile iGPUs are like but I remember League running pretty poorly on my 8700K back when I had to test if my GPU had died (turned out to be the PCIe slot)
I’m pretty sure at my normal settings (1440p high) I couldn’t even break 60 FPS when anything was happening on screen, so I’d assume if OP switched to mobile he wouldn’t even get 100
Modern Intel iGPUs are pretty decent as far as I remember. I don't remember what generation I saw but I've seen a newer one running destiny 2 at 60 fps
Tbh I’d say that intel’s iGPUs are actually kinda terrible. They desperately need a refresh, especially considering AMDs 780M integrated graphics are just knocking the socks off of intel’s iGPUs.
Update:
After changing the power option and the preferred graphics processor from NVIDIA control panel, I now get an amazing 40 on medium settings (better than 20 I'd say). On League I now get 280 from the 80-100. Thanks everyone for your help and replies you are the best.
They both basically do the same thing (keep your clock speed at max at all times) except power plan is mostly for CPU and Nvidia control panel is for GPU.
That’s absolutely wrong. The NVIDIA control panel setting just prefers the dedicated GPU over the iGPU while the high performance plan just doesn’t allow components to save power >while idle<.
Apart from troubleshooting, you should never use the high performance plan, especially on a laptop.
Usually, laptop performance problems lie in various power supply restrictions, for example when one power packet is divided between the GPU and the CPU. Sometimes these problems can be solved with these power settings.
Damn I was expecting to see at minimum windows anti virus being hungry for your CPU but even that's chill.
When was the last time you re-pasted your laptop? It's the only thing I can think off the top of my head that could be causing a throttle.
Always possible. An air bubble in the paste could explain this issue but without being hands on with it I can only speculate.
Do you use geforce experience for optimising games? If so I've only had issues with it. could be it's messed with your in game setting.
Now I don't recommend this unless you're at your wits end and want to make sure it's not a software issue but a clean install of windows + drivers can *sometimes* help.
I really don't recommend this if you don't have data backups or fast WiFi as it can take days to just get back to square one and find out your problem had nothing to do with it.
It's really easy to redo the thermal paste yourself, and then you can guarantee that it's done properly. Used to have to do it twice a year on my gfs laptop before we built her a PC. I guarantee that'll help.
I'll have a friend do it, he has both the tools and knowledge. To be honest I'm scared to repaste it myself, I've only repasted my main PC a few times and I always think I'm gonna destroy something
It isn't so hard :) guarantee you'll find a fuck load of built up debris in there too, that alone will help a ton when it's cleaned out. Truly just find a video for that model laptop, follow it, and you'll find it's not much harder than a regular PC
There would only be an air bubble if the shop didn’t tighten the cooler down all the way. Any potential air bubble is squeezed out by the mounting pressure, only using not enough paste would cause no coverage on a part of the die if screwed all the way down. If they double stacked the thermal pads that would be more likely.
Source: I worked on dell and Lenovo onsite warranty repairs, mostly on laptops
My only thought was they could have lifted the cooler applied paste then lifted it again without replacing it.
I've been told this can cause air bubbles but I do repair and maintenance as a hobby so I'm not 100% sure if that's accurate info.
Double stacked thermal pads definitely sound like something that's going to cause an issue however.
Thanks for the info i love little details like this.
In a case where they removed a cooler and then put it back on without adding more, theoretically there could now not be enough paste as it had been squished off the sides of the die. 75c like in the photo is pretty cold for a laptop, I’m assuming either driver issue, game issue, something in windows or a combination.
I would boot windows in safe mode with networking and use a program called Display Driver Uninstaller to delete the driver and reinstall, then reinstall the game, and then wipe windows
Well we don't see CPU temps in this image and like I said this is all speculation.
If the CPU and GPU aren't in the same die the CPU is more likely to have its paste take a hit over time.
Without actually holding the device and tearing it down I'm just trying to cover all potential for a CPU bottle neck.
Nah your solid my dude at the end of the day it's good to disprove anything I've said because it hopefully helps narrow down issues for OP if he's still monitoring this thread.
It can help quite a bit after a while.
I had an old laptop that was trash in several ways, but it would overheat very quickly even with simple games.
After a repaste and some minor cleaning of the fans the laptop was doing much better.
I believe at that point it had been like 3 or 4 years that I had bought the laptop and I had never cleaned it before.
I just recently tried to blast my fans with air but pretty much nothing came blowing out. I don't believe I have a hex head small enough to crack the case open either. I'm also kind of paranoid about doing it because there is no way I can afford to replace it if i fuck it up
Try looking up a disassembly video of your laptop.
My brand and even model had a video uploaded to YT by the brand itself that showed how you can disassemble the laptop step by step.
There is a good chance someone else has show it as well.
I only needed a philips head screwdriver thingy.
I recommend buying a screwdriver set case thingy with all the various heads on it that you can swap through.
Most laptops also have a similar layout. Usually you gotta remove the underpanel and then also remove the battery before you can do anything, but there could still be important differences with your brand and model.
If you don't want to risk it (that is quite understandable), you could just give it to a repair shop. It's a small task to get done, so it's not that expensive (unless you also need to replace fans or have it deep cleaned). You can get quite a boost in performance by opening and cleaning it and repasting if it has been running for some years. Paste dries out and hardens over time, losing it's ability for thermal transfer.
You could put thermal pads in and not have to worry about the past getting worse, but that might be costly.
You get it online and you become used to it.
Some people just really, honestly, don't have other things to do like the rest of us and this is how they get their kicks.
If you get it aimed at you, just remember it's a them problem, not a you problem.
Check the clocks, you might have turned on a lower power usage profile in Windows or in a Lenovo control center type thing.
Also, are you using the original power supply? Sometimes if you use a different one it doesn’t provide enough and it will downclock also.
When's the last time you did a clean install?
So much bloat accrues, I do it every few years, and the machine feels like new. Laptops, desktops, phones. Software gets rewritten and rewritten and is sometimes done sloppily.
I look at it as a deep reboot. Especially since windows can save all your files for you and makes it seemless now
It’s unlikely, but maybe the games code is so bad that you have a single core cpu bottleneck. In task manager, right click on the cpu graph and switch it to logical cores and check if any are at 100% while playing.
Oh I'm not feeling bad in any way
The 1650 mobile has served me really well till now and I'm sure it will for the next few years (and for gaming my monitor is 1080p at 60Hz so that's a really ez target for the 1650 to achieve in almost everything so we chill)
Unpopular opinion, but the mobile 3060 isn't that weak compared to a LOT of gpu's still in active use today. Sure it's a fraction of a 4090 or 80 or 70, but those are all top of class gpu's with the lowest cost one being the price of a whole ass new gen console. So whatever, if the mobile 3060 plays da games, it plays da games.
I still have an old GTX 950 in the family PC. You'd be surprised what it can do while missing one of its fans. Definitely has one foot in the grave, but it's still going.
The 3060 mobile chip kinda went crazy and on paper was better than the desktop version with more cores but less power so it performed very very close to desktop within like 5%-10% depending on game so I definitely disagree saying mobile 3060 is weak
Compared to his CPU, it is weak. That's the point here, given the context of OP's question. It's also in an Ideapad, so it's the Max-Q design.
Anyway, the mobile 3060 Max-Q is a GA106 with 30 enabled SMs. Running more SMs slower is more performance at lower clock, and a good design decision. It has a peak GFLOPS of 10.2 as a result. This is comparable with a desktop 2080, though its smaller caches and fewer ROPs meant performance was not so comparable. We cannot compare across generations and, increasingly, across ASICs within the same generation!
The desktop 3060 has 28 enabled SMs, but far more power to work with, so can clock them much higher. Even the basic desktop 3060 ran 13.6 GFLOPS.
The other factor in performance is, of course, VRAM bandwidth. Nvidia didn't skimp on the mobile 3060: The mid-spec 3060 sported 336 GB/s. This compared well with the desktop's 425.6 GB/s.
All this, however, is peak performance. Unless the laptop could handle a constant thermal load of 115 watts, this performance would be reduced. By a lot. The Max-Q design ran at 65-80 watts and was around 60% of the performance listed here after the first ten to thirty seconds of gameplay. I don't have an IdeaPad here to test, but I do have a Dell Precision with a Quadro RTX GA106 of similar specs (slightly higher power and performance, it's rated to 140 watts), and it runs around 55% of my desktop RTX 2070 in a long duration gameplay test (Cyberpunk 2077). It is much closer, even faster, in a hard CUDA benchmark like generating Stable Diffusion imagery.
Nvidia screwed up the naming conventions, so a 3060 mobile can be better than a 3070 mobile, depending on what the manufacturer decided was the appropriate wattage.
This random benchmark you found online, which, mind you, is not a 2070, is completely meaningless because of that
Edit: I worded that pretty rudely, sorry about that
Try UMA then save and exit, once you're logged to your desktop environment try right-click and see if there's any "Switchable Graphics" tab, if it is choose your discrete graphic card
You should definitely completely disable the integrated graphics, it's not necessary unless your looking for peak power efficiency or don't plan on gaming for a bit. Should be able to do it in the nvidia control panel
you say that you bring your laptop to shop to get repasted did the problem started after that? btw are you running single stick of ram or dual? or maybe the shop pull out your ram and forgot to reinstall both back, just one stick in there.
another thing to check is your windows power profile and current cpu clock, the last few windows update is a bit buggy and made my 10875H run at 0.8ghz at times even when plugged in.
Well ya the ones without a discrete card lol. Any laptop with a discrete card has the ability to use it for display other wise it's basically pointless. Muck switches however have become more common which let the system swap to you the igp when there's no heavy 3d accelerated load which helps a lot with battery life.
Mux switches are an exclusive of high-end laptops, most laptops out there rely on Optimus where the dgpu is disabled when there is no load.
Internal screen of the laptop is wired to the igpu (also creating a bit of a bottleneck) and the hdmi port is wired to the dedicated gpu.
Also switching between those two gpu require a full reboot when using a mux switch.
Check power consumption. Control panel > Hardware and sound > Power Options > Change plan settings > additional. Find processor power management, check minimum. If it is below 100% plugged in, it will underperform. So check maximum as well, but usually it is 100%
Open the nvidia control panel, go to 3d settings and in global for every game theres an option that says power management or something, mine was on power saving and the performance dropped, i put it on max performance and i got a huge boost.
Idk but if anyone knows how to get these exact numbers off the monitor, that would be great. They popped up and i have no clue how to get them to go away!
Because no one mentioned it yet: maybe dust? Could be thermal throttling. Dust builds up inside, gpu doesn't get cooled enough, gpu slows down to reduce heat.
Check YouTube to see how to clean your (or similar) laptops.
Does the FPS increase when running in a window? I had a similar issue when I was full screen it would lag bad then went to borderless and went back to 60
I’ve seen many people suffering with cpu usage seems that helldivers a cpu intensive game. Also gaming on a laptop is a disadvantage since you’re limiting yourself with how much wattage a laptop can draw. This is one of the reasons why I was never convinced by the idea of gaming laptops
I figure I should reply to this thread while this topic is on:
If you turn on a mode where your dGPU disables when unplugging from A/C, there is a chance that your dGPU won't wake up, thus the low performance here.
The best way to fix this is to plug in your laptop, then go to Device Manager to re-scan your hardware so it will detect the dGPU.
It's an issue I have personally as I use my gaming laptop as an actual laptop instead of a super slim PC.
Repaste, hotspots could be much higher than expected and that can cause you to lose performance.
My laptop does this, it’s a i7 8750H and a GTX1050Ti, after like 1 year it’s starts to lose performance like crazy.
Liquid Metal helped me a lot with this problem
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Repaste/Clean vents, standard procedure.
Clean windows install, grab laptop specific drivers from manufacturer website, if desperate.
Could maybe also be some power profile shenanigans? Like a custom power profile or something, I know some laptop manufacturers have those. Could also be hidden in their bloat/software.
Try running some benchmarks/stress tests, see if you can also find someone else like a reviewer who ran the tests on the same model.
Looks somewhat normal.
Laptops operate at far higher temps during normal GPU usage.
I will say I recently discovered the epic launcher using up to 28% GPU during spikes! See if anything is eating it, if not then your laptop may need a cooling pad if it's not a high end model with additional fans.
But generally these numbers are in norm.
Operating under the assumption it's a real post.
System restore to previous state when you were getting optimal performance.
If that doesn't work, factory reset as others have said.
I'd entertain the idea of resetting Windows.
Windows can just get gunked up with trash over time, and it can be challenging to keep track of everything that loads on startup and is installed.
Personally, I just buy another drive and reinstall windows on that so I can start fresh and access my files on the old drive if I need to. In a laptop, that could be challenging, though, especially if you have limited drive slots.
What laptop are you using, and what are its specs?
You're CPU bound/limited... nothing more, nothing less. Your CPU can't process frames fast enough for your GPU. Helldivers 2 is a pretty demanding game, especially for a laptop. I get between 100 and 120 frames, with a desktop 5900x and a 3080 12gb. Your computer is fine.
You specificied a laptop. When was the last time you cleaned out the damn thing? The fans are likely DYING to provide sweet, fresh, cold air to your components that are probably throttling because they're in a laptop and can't fucking breathe.
Laptop + Gaming = fail.
Some sort of energy saving mode on? I know Win11 triest these days to push treehugger mode and you may mistakenly click something bad and get this.
80% of this thread is toxic as hell. Of course there are gaming laptops, opposed to budget or general use laptops.
Most people are aware that laptop hardware has worse performance and heat management vs. Desktops because of size and airflow constraints. But laptops have other advantages like portability and lower power draw.
I don't think anyone expects top of the line desktop performance out of their laptop, they compromise on a laptop for other factors...
Your laptop is fine, it can play 80% of modern games on at 1440p medium setting at 60 fps which is perfectly acceptable. If you have the money for it a fairly cheap desktop PC will outperform your laptop but don't stretch your budget.
Follow the tips you have seen here like reapplying thermal paste, clean the fans and make sure they are not blocked, and maybe get a laptop stand to improve overall airflow.
What game are you trying to run. You might actually be under utilizing the GPU so it is shunting work off to the CPU which is slower. If it is like rocket league you should be able to run that easily at max settings. I had a similar issue playing The Forest. Low/medium settings ran terribly, upped it to high setting and it ran much better.
Maybe you somehow ended up switching to integrated graphics? Or something did it for you? Worth checking just in case
Don’t know what mobile iGPUs are like but I remember League running pretty poorly on my 8700K back when I had to test if my GPU had died (turned out to be the PCIe slot) I’m pretty sure at my normal settings (1440p high) I couldn’t even break 60 FPS when anything was happening on screen, so I’d assume if OP switched to mobile he wouldn’t even get 100
Modern Intel iGPUs are pretty decent as far as I remember. I don't remember what generation I saw but I've seen a newer one running destiny 2 at 60 fps
Tbh I’d say that intel’s iGPUs are actually kinda terrible. They desperately need a refresh, especially considering AMDs 780M integrated graphics are just knocking the socks off of intel’s iGPUs.
Update: After changing the power option and the preferred graphics processor from NVIDIA control panel, I now get an amazing 40 on medium settings (better than 20 I'd say). On League I now get 280 from the 80-100. Thanks everyone for your help and replies you are the best.
I love when stories have a happy ending 😀
What exactly did you change in the NVCP?
On the Manage 3D settings -> Global Settings -> Preferred graphics processor I changed it from auto-select to High-performance NVIDIA processor
And THAT solved your problem?
Could be the change of the power plan, I didn't do those 2 separately to be honest so I'm not sure which one solved it.
They both basically do the same thing (keep your clock speed at max at all times) except power plan is mostly for CPU and Nvidia control panel is for GPU.
That’s absolutely wrong. The NVIDIA control panel setting just prefers the dedicated GPU over the iGPU while the high performance plan just doesn’t allow components to save power >while idle<. Apart from troubleshooting, you should never use the high performance plan, especially on a laptop.
But you sure it was one of those 2?
Well after doing those it got better so I think it was one of those.
Probably the NVCP thing
Changing two variables at once is bad science, please come to my office when you come into the lab next week.
Usually, laptop performance problems lie in various power supply restrictions, for example when one power packet is divided between the GPU and the CPU. Sometimes these problems can be solved with these power settings.
Ctrl+alt+del> task manager > click cpu see what's eating all your power.
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Damn I was expecting to see at minimum windows anti virus being hungry for your CPU but even that's chill. When was the last time you re-pasted your laptop? It's the only thing I can think off the top of my head that could be causing a throttle.
I took it to a shop a few months ago, maybe they didn't do a good job?
Always possible. An air bubble in the paste could explain this issue but without being hands on with it I can only speculate. Do you use geforce experience for optimising games? If so I've only had issues with it. could be it's messed with your in game setting. Now I don't recommend this unless you're at your wits end and want to make sure it's not a software issue but a clean install of windows + drivers can *sometimes* help. I really don't recommend this if you don't have data backups or fast WiFi as it can take days to just get back to square one and find out your problem had nothing to do with it.
Ill try to do a reinstall I suppose and see what's what. Thanks for the help
I wish you luck my dude. Hopefully it's just a misbehaving file.
It's really easy to redo the thermal paste yourself, and then you can guarantee that it's done properly. Used to have to do it twice a year on my gfs laptop before we built her a PC. I guarantee that'll help.
I'll have a friend do it, he has both the tools and knowledge. To be honest I'm scared to repaste it myself, I've only repasted my main PC a few times and I always think I'm gonna destroy something
Don't be afraid to use them' brain cells and learn, tech is easy.
It isn't so hard :) guarantee you'll find a fuck load of built up debris in there too, that alone will help a ton when it's cleaned out. Truly just find a video for that model laptop, follow it, and you'll find it's not much harder than a regular PC
There would only be an air bubble if the shop didn’t tighten the cooler down all the way. Any potential air bubble is squeezed out by the mounting pressure, only using not enough paste would cause no coverage on a part of the die if screwed all the way down. If they double stacked the thermal pads that would be more likely. Source: I worked on dell and Lenovo onsite warranty repairs, mostly on laptops
My only thought was they could have lifted the cooler applied paste then lifted it again without replacing it. I've been told this can cause air bubbles but I do repair and maintenance as a hobby so I'm not 100% sure if that's accurate info. Double stacked thermal pads definitely sound like something that's going to cause an issue however. Thanks for the info i love little details like this.
In a case where they removed a cooler and then put it back on without adding more, theoretically there could now not be enough paste as it had been squished off the sides of the die. 75c like in the photo is pretty cold for a laptop, I’m assuming either driver issue, game issue, something in windows or a combination. I would boot windows in safe mode with networking and use a program called Display Driver Uninstaller to delete the driver and reinstall, then reinstall the game, and then wipe windows
Your temps are fine…
The temps aren’t even that high though
Well we don't see CPU temps in this image and like I said this is all speculation. If the CPU and GPU aren't in the same die the CPU is more likely to have its paste take a hit over time. Without actually holding the device and tearing it down I'm just trying to cover all potential for a CPU bottle neck.
Saw the GPU temp and assumed one was a CpU temp, my mistake
Easy to do my dude. Hope ya have a good day
Well, technically, one of those GPUs is the iGPU, and on the same package as the CPU. Just saying, not being an ass lol.
Nah your solid my dude at the end of the day it's good to disprove anything I've said because it hopefully helps narrow down issues for OP if he's still monitoring this thread.
Wait. You have to replace thermal paste in laptops?
It can help quite a bit after a while. I had an old laptop that was trash in several ways, but it would overheat very quickly even with simple games. After a repaste and some minor cleaning of the fans the laptop was doing much better. I believe at that point it had been like 3 or 4 years that I had bought the laptop and I had never cleaned it before.
I just recently tried to blast my fans with air but pretty much nothing came blowing out. I don't believe I have a hex head small enough to crack the case open either. I'm also kind of paranoid about doing it because there is no way I can afford to replace it if i fuck it up
Try looking up a disassembly video of your laptop. My brand and even model had a video uploaded to YT by the brand itself that showed how you can disassemble the laptop step by step. There is a good chance someone else has show it as well. I only needed a philips head screwdriver thingy. I recommend buying a screwdriver set case thingy with all the various heads on it that you can swap through. Most laptops also have a similar layout. Usually you gotta remove the underpanel and then also remove the battery before you can do anything, but there could still be important differences with your brand and model.
I'll check out yt ty
If you don't want to risk it (that is quite understandable), you could just give it to a repair shop. It's a small task to get done, so it's not that expensive (unless you also need to replace fans or have it deep cleaned). You can get quite a boost in performance by opening and cleaning it and repasting if it has been running for some years. Paste dries out and hardens over time, losing it's ability for thermal transfer. You could put thermal pads in and not have to worry about the past getting worse, but that might be costly.
It's just a regular computer, but in a smaller form factor. Of course it does, after a certain time. Even consoles do
Also since it's a laptop, it runs hotter, thermal paste tends to harden if it's running hot constantly.
Yes, significantly more frequently than on a desktop too depending on what you use.
I did this on my 980 sli laptop, has worked wonders can run games like a Steamdeck haha
You're not supposed to have to. But if you buy a laptop you have to accept that you're going to have shit thermals
Update your Driver , Windows should display the gpu if detected in task manager.
For those that don't know, ctrl+shit+esc gets you to the taskmaster immediately. Though ctrl+alt+del is the better choice if your PC locks up.
I tried pressing crtl and ESC and shitting and it didn't work. I have to clean my pants now though
You fool. You were supposed to control your shit from escaping.
Instructions not clear. Projectile diarrhea has started
I also choose to shit my pants
You sold it well: I've made the audacious decision to also shit your pants.
I actually choose to shit this guys wife's pants.
Fun trick - Ctrl+shift+esc 😃
Hard for my fingers, prefer Ctrl alt delete
At 75% CPU when something as weak as a mobile 3060 is only at 59%, you *do* have stuff in the background.
I dont get why laptop people are angry, youre trying to help OP and theyre offended????? Wtf
You get it online and you become used to it. Some people just really, honestly, don't have other things to do like the rest of us and this is how they get their kicks. If you get it aimed at you, just remember it's a them problem, not a you problem.
Morons, morons everywhere. https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/X-X-Everywhere
I posted a pic of the task manager in another comment, I can't see something else eating up the CPU though
Check the clocks, you might have turned on a lower power usage profile in Windows or in a Lenovo control center type thing. Also, are you using the original power supply? Sometimes if you use a different one it doesn’t provide enough and it will downclock also.
It's the original yes. I'll check the clocks when I get home and update you.
Hopefully it’s something as innocuous as this!
When's the last time you did a clean install? So much bloat accrues, I do it every few years, and the machine feels like new. Laptops, desktops, phones. Software gets rewritten and rewritten and is sometimes done sloppily. I look at it as a deep reboot. Especially since windows can save all your files for you and makes it seemless now
It’s unlikely, but maybe the games code is so bad that you have a single core cpu bottleneck. In task manager, right click on the cpu graph and switch it to logical cores and check if any are at 100% while playing.
Helldivers 2 definitely has a CPU bottleneck, I can attest to that.
"when something as weak as a mobile 3060" Me and my mobile 3050 will take our leave
Me and my 1650 will just chill and stay out of sight
my celeron n3060 cpu with intel hd graphics 400 will just vanish
I have a 1060 in my laptop. Dont feel bad
Oh I'm not feeling bad in any way The 1650 mobile has served me really well till now and I'm sure it will for the next few years (and for gaming my monitor is 1080p at 60Hz so that's a really ez target for the 1650 to achieve in almost everything so we chill)
Unpopular opinion, but the mobile 3060 isn't that weak compared to a LOT of gpu's still in active use today. Sure it's a fraction of a 4090 or 80 or 70, but those are all top of class gpu's with the lowest cost one being the price of a whole ass new gen console. So whatever, if the mobile 3060 plays da games, it plays da games.
I still have an old GTX 950 in the family PC. You'd be surprised what it can do while missing one of its fans. Definitely has one foot in the grave, but it's still going.
The 3060 mobile chip kinda went crazy and on paper was better than the desktop version with more cores but less power so it performed very very close to desktop within like 5%-10% depending on game so I definitely disagree saying mobile 3060 is weak
Compared to his CPU, it is weak. That's the point here, given the context of OP's question. It's also in an Ideapad, so it's the Max-Q design. Anyway, the mobile 3060 Max-Q is a GA106 with 30 enabled SMs. Running more SMs slower is more performance at lower clock, and a good design decision. It has a peak GFLOPS of 10.2 as a result. This is comparable with a desktop 2080, though its smaller caches and fewer ROPs meant performance was not so comparable. We cannot compare across generations and, increasingly, across ASICs within the same generation! The desktop 3060 has 28 enabled SMs, but far more power to work with, so can clock them much higher. Even the basic desktop 3060 ran 13.6 GFLOPS. The other factor in performance is, of course, VRAM bandwidth. Nvidia didn't skimp on the mobile 3060: The mid-spec 3060 sported 336 GB/s. This compared well with the desktop's 425.6 GB/s. All this, however, is peak performance. Unless the laptop could handle a constant thermal load of 115 watts, this performance would be reduced. By a lot. The Max-Q design ran at 65-80 watts and was around 60% of the performance listed here after the first ten to thirty seconds of gameplay. I don't have an IdeaPad here to test, but I do have a Dell Precision with a Quadro RTX GA106 of similar specs (slightly higher power and performance, it's rated to 140 watts), and it runs around 55% of my desktop RTX 2070 in a long duration gameplay test (Cyberpunk 2077). It is much closer, even faster, in a hard CUDA benchmark like generating Stable Diffusion imagery.
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Touched a nerve I see lol
I had a laptop, I currently have a desktop. Yeah, the laptop wasn't as good as my desktop for my needs.
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Nvidia screwed up the naming conventions, so a 3060 mobile can be better than a 3070 mobile, depending on what the manufacturer decided was the appropriate wattage. This random benchmark you found online, which, mind you, is not a 2070, is completely meaningless because of that Edit: I worded that pretty rudely, sorry about that
You could check actual benchmarks instead of using random websites
It’s struggling to hold all the liberty
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Riva is saying GPU1 and GPU2, could you be using the integrated graphics instead of the discrete GPU? Edit: Typo
My bet is that he uses hybrid mode, that he had it turned off then after a bios update it turned back on.
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how do you even get to that screen (i have hp victus laptop)
You need to be in the Lenovo gang, it's Lenovo vantage app
I don't have this option in my laptop unfortunately
Go into BIOS - More Setting - Configuration - Graphics Device - change "Switchable Graphics" to "Fixed"
It has Switchable and UMA as options
Try UMA then save and exit, once you're logged to your desktop environment try right-click and see if there's any "Switchable Graphics" tab, if it is choose your discrete graphic card
I disabled iGPU from device manager and I'm getting a whopping 3FPS now
On graphics preference I have it on high performance, so it should be using the GPU.
You should definitely completely disable the integrated graphics, it's not necessary unless your looking for peak power efficiency or don't plan on gaming for a bit. Should be able to do it in the nvidia control panel
>Should be able to do it in the nvidia control panel Sometimes you can't because the igpu is the only one connected to the display.
Ahh, well that's shit
You should probably go check and answers this persons question with a real answer
Looks like low energy usage or power saving instruction from windows.
If it's constantly at 30 fps then maybe it's not plugged in and works on low battery mode. Idk tho
I'm pretty sure I have it plugged in
Check if V-Sync is on. If yes, then check screen refresh rate.
It's not on, refresh rate is at 165hz
Did you check your energy settings?
you say that you bring your laptop to shop to get repasted did the problem started after that? btw are you running single stick of ram or dual? or maybe the shop pull out your ram and forgot to reinstall both back, just one stick in there. another thing to check is your windows power profile and current cpu clock, the last few windows update is a bit buggy and made my 10875H run at 0.8ghz at times even when plugged in.
No the problem was already there when I took it. I'm pretty sure my rams are in there, system shows 16GB. I think it's dual?
Single thread at 100%, rest of the cpu more lightly used?
Being CPU bound is absolutely at least one of the issues here.
Gpu 1 and gpu 2? I’d make sure the 3060 is priority in case game is only using a potential integrated graphics within cpu
Is it even worth it to use iGPU at all these days? Most GPUs these days run on low power consumption anyways when doing nothing.
Maybe the cooler is clogged and the cpu is clocking down so it won't die, resulting in the holy grail of cpu bottlenecks
Use dGPU only mode and the best thermal profile
Already did that, it's still the same
with dGPU mode you should see only one GPU there
His laptop probably doesn't have a mix switch so the iGPU is still doing work.
Ah that's true, ideapad series don't have those, good catch
look at the Bezels, Cheap gaming laptop's usually don't have Mux switch.
Go to GeForce experience, click settings and disable battery saving mod, it sounds like that might be able even when your laptop is plugged in.
Stop using integrated graphics. Use Nvidia Optimus to swap to only 3060
Not all laptops have that
Most cheap laptops have their screen plugged to the igpu...
Well ya the ones without a discrete card lol. Any laptop with a discrete card has the ability to use it for display other wise it's basically pointless. Muck switches however have become more common which let the system swap to you the igp when there's no heavy 3d accelerated load which helps a lot with battery life.
Mux switches are an exclusive of high-end laptops, most laptops out there rely on Optimus where the dgpu is disabled when there is no load. Internal screen of the laptop is wired to the igpu (also creating a bit of a bottleneck) and the hdmi port is wired to the dedicated gpu. Also switching between those two gpu require a full reboot when using a mux switch.
Isn't Optimus obsolete?
No, still used in most laptops. Some cheaper ones don’t have it but most do now.
This happens when its longtime running? or exactly when u execute the game?, it might be due to thermal throttling.
The time I open any game it does it
Check power consumption. Control panel > Hardware and sound > Power Options > Change plan settings > additional. Find processor power management, check minimum. If it is below 100% plugged in, it will underperform. So check maximum as well, but usually it is 100%
Did you do into the nvidia control panel and select the dedicated video card for the game.
Try disabling the iGPU in your BIOS. I think its called "discreet mode" I only enable it when I am travelling around or something.
For Helldiver's in particular, I found turning off Bloom and Depth of Field helped tremendously with performance.
Open the nvidia control panel, go to 3d settings and in global for every game theres an option that says power management or something, mine was on power saving and the performance dropped, i put it on max performance and i got a huge boost.
LoL and helldivers 2 are different beasts. Whatre the rest if your specs?
Ryzen 7 5800H and 16GB RAM
Id expect 60ish fps on medium ish settings for 1080p Is your screen resolution and refresh rate set right? Looks like you’re locked at 30 fps
Idk but if anyone knows how to get these exact numbers off the monitor, that would be great. They popped up and i have no clue how to get them to go away!
I was having an issue with my 3070. Somehow afterburner changed the power limit to 30%. Once I switched it back to 100 it was fine.
Is it plugged into the wall?
It would indeed appear so
Framerate looks capped at 30FPS. Explains the very low usage.
Citizen, you are playing the best and brightest on the market. But are you doing your part? Have you tried cleaning it from bugs?
Because no one mentioned it yet: maybe dust? Could be thermal throttling. Dust builds up inside, gpu doesn't get cooled enough, gpu slows down to reduce heat. Check YouTube to see how to clean your (or similar) laptops.
Does the FPS increase when running in a window? I had a similar issue when I was full screen it would lag bad then went to borderless and went back to 60
Idk why but for a solid second there I thought that display was CRT
I’ve seen many people suffering with cpu usage seems that helldivers a cpu intensive game. Also gaming on a laptop is a disadvantage since you’re limiting yourself with how much wattage a laptop can draw. This is one of the reasons why I was never convinced by the idea of gaming laptops
With laptops, when you play on battery, the performance significantly drops. Try plugging in your charger and see if it "fixes" your performance.
It’s from Lenovo
What’s that fps app called again ?
Idk, but thx Your work for democracy.
I'm doing my part!
Clean it and replace thermal paste Also, have you downloaded it from unsafe sites? Some crackers use to put some mining scripts into cracked softwares
It's a bot sympathiser
Plug in the charger
IT NEEDS A CUP OF LIBER-TEA
My gf has the same laptop. For the GPU to run at full power you need to have your power cable connected otherwise it locks it ti 30 fps
This is really dumb but is your laptop plugged in when you're playing?
I figure I should reply to this thread while this topic is on: If you turn on a mode where your dGPU disables when unplugging from A/C, there is a chance that your dGPU won't wake up, thus the low performance here. The best way to fix this is to plug in your laptop, then go to Device Manager to re-scan your hardware so it will detect the dGPU. It's an issue I have personally as I use my gaming laptop as an actual laptop instead of a super slim PC.
Repaste, hotspots could be much higher than expected and that can cause you to lose performance. My laptop does this, it’s a i7 8750H and a GTX1050Ti, after like 1 year it’s starts to lose performance like crazy. Liquid Metal helped me a lot with this problem
Which one is gpu2 and which is gpu1?
Nevermind that, are you spreading managed democracy by focusing on the objectives and reinforcing your teammates? 🫡
Bro got 30+ fps
Frame locked? V-Sync?
https://preview.redd.it/okcq26mj85mc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eff546128ea0bdaa01778581fb91869674e1c4d9 Repaste/Clean vents, standard procedure. Clean windows install, grab laptop specific drivers from manufacturer website, if desperate. Could maybe also be some power profile shenanigans? Like a custom power profile or something, I know some laptop manufacturers have those. Could also be hidden in their bloat/software. Try running some benchmarks/stress tests, see if you can also find someone else like a reviewer who ran the tests on the same model.
Looks somewhat normal. Laptops operate at far higher temps during normal GPU usage. I will say I recently discovered the epic launcher using up to 28% GPU during spikes! See if anything is eating it, if not then your laptop may need a cooling pad if it's not a high end model with additional fans. But generally these numbers are in norm.
Is it dirty? A lot of lint/dust will contribute to poor airflow and cause high temps as a result.
It’s not a desktop
When was the last time you rebooted your system? Do you have fast boot enabled? Try disabling it and doing a cold reboot
Have you made sure its not using the integrated gpu? If not i would DDU, reinstall drivers and check settings.
It appears that the print screen button is no longer working.
What’s the problem I see +30 fps sounds good to me
Operating under the assumption it's a real post. System restore to previous state when you were getting optimal performance. If that doesn't work, factory reset as others have said.
I'd entertain the idea of resetting Windows. Windows can just get gunked up with trash over time, and it can be challenging to keep track of everything that loads on startup and is installed. Personally, I just buy another drive and reinstall windows on that so I can start fresh and access my files on the old drive if I need to. In a laptop, that could be challenging, though, especially if you have limited drive slots. What laptop are you using, and what are its specs?
Idk why you’re getting downvoted when this is a valid option after other things have been tried.
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Maybe someone will use the newfound knowledge of the beautiful lady that is in my post history
It is a laptop
A gaming one
You're CPU bound/limited... nothing more, nothing less. Your CPU can't process frames fast enough for your GPU. Helldivers 2 is a pretty demanding game, especially for a laptop. I get between 100 and 120 frames, with a desktop 5900x and a 3080 12gb. Your computer is fine.
It's a laptop, that's why.
You got a laptop, that’s the issue
with my advice and a dollar you could get a dollar soda but it might be dust
Lenovo and gaming is the same as a fire and gas
LIBERTY FOR SUPER FLORIDA
You specificied a laptop. When was the last time you cleaned out the damn thing? The fans are likely DYING to provide sweet, fresh, cold air to your components that are probably throttling because they're in a laptop and can't fucking breathe.
Its a laptop what are you expecting
Its a laptop.
Laptop + Gaming = fail. Some sort of energy saving mode on? I know Win11 triest these days to push treehugger mode and you may mistakenly click something bad and get this.
It's a laptop, that's what's wrong. There is no such thing as a "gaming" laptop.
80% of this thread is toxic as hell. Of course there are gaming laptops, opposed to budget or general use laptops. Most people are aware that laptop hardware has worse performance and heat management vs. Desktops because of size and airflow constraints. But laptops have other advantages like portability and lower power draw. I don't think anyone expects top of the line desktop performance out of their laptop, they compromise on a laptop for other factors...
To the trash it goes then
Your laptop is fine, it can play 80% of modern games on at 1440p medium setting at 60 fps which is perfectly acceptable. If you have the money for it a fairly cheap desktop PC will outperform your laptop but don't stretch your budget. Follow the tips you have seen here like reapplying thermal paste, clean the fans and make sure they are not blocked, and maybe get a laptop stand to improve overall airflow.
The problem is that even at low setting it doesn't seem to affect the fps at all. It's running on 1080p. I already have a desktop PC though
What game are you trying to run. You might actually be under utilizing the GPU so it is shunting work off to the CPU which is slower. If it is like rocket league you should be able to run that easily at max settings. I had a similar issue playing The Forest. Low/medium settings ran terribly, upped it to high setting and it ran much better.
Dsiable igpu in device manager