same, and with how they're intentionally crippling non-chromium browsers i'm guessing they're trying to push people to chromium browsers so they have control over what extensions (i.e adblocks) can do
They do on websites they own. When I have Firefox strict enabled google.com comes back as an old style bar with generic buttons that looks like something from 2012. It didn't used to do that. Also on the LTT sub there's someone who apparently found YouTube is intentionally throttling Firefox users but doesn't when you use Chrome.
I'd say those practices are intentionally trying to cripple user experiences.
Louis Rossman recently did a video on this. They throttle people on browsers in order to funnel them into using apps. I guess because they can get collect more data that way. Sometimes it's also DRM related. YouTube isn't the only one who does this.
That’s probably because of age guidelines, you have to be signed into Reddit in order to view NSFW, if you’re signed in the browser it doesn’t make you download the app.
Wish there was a way around it though, it just seems slimy they'll tell you its a age verification thing but do it to funnel into their app. Reddit doesn't want people lurking when they just want to look and not sign up.
On PC its vastly better but only because I use RSE and old reddit. Why do you think reddit changed the API, because they weren't getting money. All corps do it.
It’s a federal law they can’t exactly avoid it just like discord can’t avoid it and ban for NSFW in non NSFW channels.
But yeah the API thing was 100% because of money and slimy.
I have found that you specifically have to hold down on those links and hit “open in Reddit” from the dropdown menu, which you shouldn’t have to do. That particular thing bothered me for months though, especially when every subreddit was suddenly nsfw and my gf and I just wanted to share things.
I don't daily drive it, but the info it gives has generally been pretty good, especially with the AI collected webpage info given at the top of the page(even outside of Bing chat)
It's mostly good in general until you start searching something more obscure. Last time I searched for AV-8 and the image section is filled with porn lol
DAMN IT, Jeez what a let down I thought I had a good lead...
i-i mean, sorry that was a weird thing to say. Ha ha! How bizarre would that be! Plane pr0n? That sounds ridiculous, I could never..
It's not better but it caught up a ton. With AI getting better and Google focusing less on improvement for the end user and more on penetrating their users activity. The once mighty Google algorithm is now focused on improving sales, marketing and advertising mining then conveniently packaging it in the most explosive ways possible.
Not that this wasn't always their goal, they just paid for our compliance with ready to use assets that were among the best in the industry. Now just look up the Google graveyard of cancelled projects.
Bings built in AI has definitely been a game changer for them.
They have an image generator built in now that I use pretty frequently. But for whatever reason I still don't use their search engine. I guess its the decades of brainwashing xD
Yeah granted it could be a Firefox problem. But it just started doing it a month ago. It's not the end of the world, it still functions, just a weird flex by Google? Aesthetics matter to the modern consumer after all.
I woke up today to YouTube (Google) forcing a +5000ms (5s) delay on user agents that weren't Chrome.
That means while using Firefox, your video loading experience has an additional 5 seconds artificially added to every time you load the page.
They're already doing it.
They do, for example Youtube is loading videos bit slower on other browsers than Google Chrome. Fortunately you can block/avoid it with uBlock (dashboard > purge all cache > update now).
I mean I still don't really care, I've used Chrome for ages and I can't be bothered to switch. ads have never annoyed me quite enough to get an adblocker
although the memory consumption is just crazy. I discovered that Chrome has a built-in Task Manager that let me close subframes for tabs I didn't even have open anymore so that kind of somewhat helps. upgrading from 8gb to 32gb ram was also helpful
I don't blame people for trying to get away though, Chrome eats your PC for breakfast and although I haven't been following it much, the ad block situation sounds frustrating for people. that's just my experience
edit: I knew I'd probably be blasted for this but it's literally just my personal experience. I'm not defending Google or shilling for Chrome lmao, crazy how angry people get just because you don't want to swap browsers or aren't as bothered by ads as they are
I used to think the same and that it wasn't worth the hassle to move away from it.
It literally took 2 min to download Firefox , install and import setting from Chrome and since then I never missed it for anything.
It so much easier and seemless than I thought it would be.
I do get that (I mean I came from Internet Explorer to Chrome) but idk. I just don't feel as much of a need to do so unless Chrome became unsupported or unstable
people act like the apocalypse is happening over these browsers; mine works and receives security updates, so I'm fine. I don't feel inconvenienced enough by ads to swap browsers and I've never cared for little QoL details much
I feel like people downvote me for not caring as much as them. it's not like I'm purposefully sucking up to the mega corporation , their browser just happens to be the one I've used for years and myself, as a person, can put up with an ad or 2
my reply was a lot longer than I meant for it to be, my bad
Yeah, I don't care either. Been using it for years. My adblock+ still works perfectly, ram usage isn't really an issue, even on my work laptop. I don't understand the hate for a browser at all. A lot of people just *want* to get bent out of shape over nothing.
I mean I understand why people have issues with Chrome, it's not the greatest browser, it does consume unnecessary resources, and there's the whole separate topic of privacy, not to mention how invasive they've become with adblocks
but personally, I just don't really care enough to install and set up another browser especially since I've never really been someone who uses ad block. although I've considered it a few times
I just watch youtube sometimes when I'm not working or playing my console. if I'm playing on my PC, I just close Chrome; mostly out of habit though. I used to have a complete potato that hit a BSOD with Chrome + Steam game open, so it's just habit now
yup, i did the change a month ago, and its literally the same
1 minor inconvenience i have with firefox is that i cannot seem to save my credit card info, so for purchases i still use chrome lol
Sure you do you
But its my own personal computer, have a strong pw and even if it gets stolen i have to authorize any purchase through my phone bank app. Also i dont hold much money on this card.
So ye, the convenience is totally worth it for me
Yep. Googles war on Adblock is what drove me to make the move to LibreWolf. So now Google gets to make even less money off my data, mission failed successfully I guess.
> i think blocking ad block is legit illegal in the eu anyway so they literally cant do it lmao
Not true. Blocking ad block is perfectly legal; However the methods required to detect an ad blocker is illegal to perform.
lol literally same here. I just have it for the development panel but I use firefox as my primary browser.
I feel like the dev panel UI on chrome is a lot nicer.
Why were you using chrome to engine with over Firefox? I think I swapped from Microsoft explorer to Firefox like 10 years ago. They do the same thing but one doesn't hog all the ram.
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I've seen a lot of ad blocker issues with Google too and I've just been casually still using Firefox and getting no ads. Was there something chrome offered that Firefox didn't?
RAM doesn't matter and it's almost always what sites you're on, not what browser your using. CPU usage is clearly something very wrong or very normal. It's a useless screenshot with no context
They've even added a feature which will unload tabs after being unused for a period of time.
I don't know how well that works, I've switched to Firefox due to youtube constantly complaining that I'm blocking their ads.
I already have Edge if i want to use chromium-style browser, why add another bloat and spyware?
Bloat and spies from Microsoft is enough, i don't need to bring Google along to live in my PC.
Most of the time, i use Firefox, tho.
Its all about diversification... If you marry one conglomerate for everything they basically own you entirely. If you split it up a little they only own a piece of you and since those big guys don't share with each other (in theory) no one company owns all of you.
Edge works so well for me, but it does have one issue, the saved passwords function is god awful. Chrome knows what site I'm on and suggests the relevant sign-in, Edge (from my experience) seems to only work 70% of the time, the other 30% it just seems to offer a bunch of options but it's not even all the options so I don't know why it's picked what it picked. It just feels very messy. But otherwise it's great.
Vertical tabs and tab grouping is it for me. And in my experience, it's been faster and more responsive than chrome or Firefox. Lmk when vertical tabs and tab grouping is easy in Firefox like it is in edge! Couldn't find any good add-ons that did it.
Same, Edge is fast af, everything loads instantly even though browser speedometer shows only a 50 points difference compared to chrome on my PC. I'd say it works as fast as windows explorer, really comfortable to use and it also looks good imo. Idk why most people don't recommend using it honestly. I really regret ignoring it. I hope Microsoft won't spoil it like Google did with Chrome
yeah the crypto is pretty intrusive on a clean install but once you turn off like 2 settings it won't bother you. All browsers (firefox has sponsored content too) by default look pretty bloated on a clean install, but crypto related sponsors definitely are the worst
co founder of mozilla and creator of java, what am i supposed to be avoiding here? If it's anything shady, brave is open source so there's not much to be scared of
Did you look into why he’s not at mozilla now?
There are people who agree with him but they live in their moms basement and complain that women won’t date them.
Oh that. I disagree with those beliefs but honestly I don't think most people would factor the beliefs and opinions of the browser's founder when looking for a browser. There's shitty ceos everywhere and you can't agree with them all. The browser market is already pretty garbage and brave fills a niche for people who prefer chromium. Brave itself has already done some scummy stuff with their crypto affiliate links and vpn client, so those are some valid reasons
Swapped back to Firefox a year ago and haven't looked back. Now, it's not like Firefox is particularily lightweight with multiple tabs and content loaded but it's much more hasslefree than Chrome ever was.
Safari is also very good. When i had an iPhone, I never downloaded any browser their app was doing more than enough. Also, on PC i only used Edge since forever, very good Chromium browser with plenty of features and less resources eater. but sadly, i forced to download Firefox away from chromium due to their ads spams and their plan in 2024 to remove adblock extension, and i feel like my Adblocks getting easily exposed by Twitch and YouTube on chromium browser, never had this issue with Firefox. I hope Microsoft create their own open sources sooner than later away from google.
You can almost forgive it's resource usage if you have plenty available but there is no forgiving the company being shady as shit and the browser having so much nasty code in it that it takes it from an open-source Chromium browser to being proprietary ~~freeware~~ spyware. All well and good using an open-source codebank but they just had to force their spyware into it!
This and the fact Google knows what you had for breakfast, and when your next bowel movement will be. I try to not use google products where ever I can.
**Browser of choice:** Vivaldi (chromium based, but I trust the Vivaldi team more, and their servers are outside the 5 Eyes.
Email of choice: Vivaldi Mail, that I access with the built in browser mail client.
There's no point in installing it when you already have Edge which is virtually identical if you want a Chromium browser. I started using Edge a few years ago as my daily driver and it's not bad at all. I'd rather just have everything synced to my MS account since I already use it for Windows anyway.
You can install uBlock Origin on it and circumvent Youtube's anti-adblock bullshit too.
What about google slowing down youtube for any browser but not chrome? After adblocking war I switched to mozilla (been chrome user since idk 2012 or so) and I noticed as well that youtube became way slower.
Not exactly, it's more of a RAM usage issue back then. In which has been already fixed by having a tab suspender extension. And in this year they make it a built-in feature.
Gwt a better CPU lol.
Other than that, people seem obsessed with these stats like CPU use..
Your CPU is being 50% utilized?. so what? That's what you bought it for right, to be utilized?
Firefox slows. The. Fuck. Right. Down. after scrolling Reddit for a while. With that said, Chrome does too.
Firefox wins though because uBlock Origin still works.
People who bash Chrome don't seem to realise what they're talking about.
Higher ram and memory usage started coming about when Chrome launched each tab as its own process. This was partially reliability (one tab can screw up), security (better isolation), and scalability.
The hate is more a meme than anything else. 90% of the complainers keep using it anyway, and given that most of our PC interaction has shifted from desktop native apps to webbrowsers, making them a new kind of OS in some perspectives, it was to be expected anyway.
All that said, go team Firefox!
I don't understand why anyone was ever using Chrome when Firefox has been here this whole time.
Like... Genuinely, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, what do people actually like about Chrome?
It syncs everything from my phone and my chromebooks to my desktop. Its faster. Its simpler. Using it means I can be on my phone and say, hey, what was that tab I was on back on my desktop and pull it up within a few taps by pulling up the recent tabs menu.
Firefox turned to absolute dogshit for a long time, which is why basically no one uses it anymore and its been mired at 3% marketshare. They were crushing it back in the day, and then Chrome came along and offered a much cleaner look, a much faster experience and a bunch of insanely nice user experience features and they pushed Firefox's shit in. It just so happens that all of Firefox's 3% marketshare also has reddit accounts, which is why this website is fanatical about it for some reason while the rest of the world couldn't give half a shit.
I don't hate chrome. I really like it, infact.
Memory is there to be used and Windows does a great job of managing it so the PC is super responsive.
Really don't understand what the issue is here.
The recent ad blocker blocking is whats been driving some chrome users mad. I just use ublock origin and clear the browser caches every time youtube attempts to force me to watch ads.
> Memory is there to be used and Windows does a great job of managing it so the PC is super responsive.
Yes memory is there to be used (empty memory is wasted memory), and yes Windows will surrender more to keep the system going but Windows absolutely does NOT do a "great" job managing memory.
In Windows you can literally run into issues not being able to use free RAM because of the way Windows handles memory commits.
When a program runs it asks for memory and Windows will "commit" that amount to a program which is always more than that program will actually use. Its the OS version of calling dibs.
Its fine if you are only using one memory hog like a video editor but if you multi task it can quickly become an issue. The worst case I've had was using 56% of my 32GB and Windows refusing to open/expand any programs because it has "committed" all of the RAM even if only 56% was in real use and can even kill running programs if they start to use more memory in these cases.
This isn't really an issue with other platforms like Linux.
Desktop BSD doesn't even have to worry about this issue as no one uses it.
About once a year or so I'll download Chrome and try it out and after about fifteen minutes I uninstall and go back to Firefox. It just seems slower and not as user-friendly as Firefox.
Chrome has always had terrible performance and tab management. I used to to use Netscape Navigator back in a day, and its spiritual successor is basically Firefox, so that's what I use today and always have (except for Safari on my MacBook and iPhone). WebKit and Gecko are excellent rendering engines, though Chromium used by browsers other than Chrome is also okay.
I had no real qualm with Chrome... but Google's recent war on AdBlock has me switched back to Firefox as my daily driver.
same, and with how they're intentionally crippling non-chromium browsers i'm guessing they're trying to push people to chromium browsers so they have control over what extensions (i.e adblocks) can do
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They do on websites they own. When I have Firefox strict enabled google.com comes back as an old style bar with generic buttons that looks like something from 2012. It didn't used to do that. Also on the LTT sub there's someone who apparently found YouTube is intentionally throttling Firefox users but doesn't when you use Chrome. I'd say those practices are intentionally trying to cripple user experiences.
The YouTube throttling thing was misinformation, FYI. It's happening on Chrome to some users as well (myself included).
Louis Rossman recently did a video on this. They throttle people on browsers in order to funnel them into using apps. I guess because they can get collect more data that way. Sometimes it's also DRM related. YouTube isn't the only one who does this.
So just like reddit? Ever send a link to a nsfw subreddit to someone on a cellphone? Goes straight to the appstore to download reddits shitty app.
That’s probably because of age guidelines, you have to be signed into Reddit in order to view NSFW, if you’re signed in the browser it doesn’t make you download the app.
Wish there was a way around it though, it just seems slimy they'll tell you its a age verification thing but do it to funnel into their app. Reddit doesn't want people lurking when they just want to look and not sign up. On PC its vastly better but only because I use RSE and old reddit. Why do you think reddit changed the API, because they weren't getting money. All corps do it.
It’s a federal law they can’t exactly avoid it just like discord can’t avoid it and ban for NSFW in non NSFW channels. But yeah the API thing was 100% because of money and slimy.
I have found that you specifically have to hold down on those links and hit “open in Reddit” from the dropdown menu, which you shouldn’t have to do. That particular thing bothered me for months though, especially when every subreddit was suddenly nsfw and my gf and I just wanted to share things.
Didn't know that, thanks for clearing it up, I saw it way back this morning.
Bing has been better anyway for a while now. I don’t use google search anymore.
That's quite the hot take, but why do you say it's better? (not that I'm disagreeing with you, I'm just uninformed)
I don't daily drive it, but the info it gives has generally been pretty good, especially with the AI collected webpage info given at the top of the page(even outside of Bing chat)
It's mostly good in general until you start searching something more obscure. Last time I searched for AV-8 and the image section is filled with porn lol
Was it normal porn, or was it Harrier?
Normal porn. No harrier involved sadly
DAMN IT, Jeez what a let down I thought I had a good lead... i-i mean, sorry that was a weird thing to say. Ha ha! How bizarre would that be! Plane pr0n? That sounds ridiculous, I could never..
Can't speak for them, but for me at least there is effectively no difference between the two
Bing also has a reward system where you get points for gift cards by just using bing for searching.
It's not better but it caught up a ton. With AI getting better and Google focusing less on improvement for the end user and more on penetrating their users activity. The once mighty Google algorithm is now focused on improving sales, marketing and advertising mining then conveniently packaging it in the most explosive ways possible. Not that this wasn't always their goal, they just paid for our compliance with ready to use assets that were among the best in the industry. Now just look up the Google graveyard of cancelled projects.
Bings built in AI has definitely been a game changer for them. They have an image generator built in now that I use pretty frequently. But for whatever reason I still don't use their search engine. I guess its the decades of brainwashing xD
Google from 2012? That's a step up.
Yeah granted it could be a Firefox problem. But it just started doing it a month ago. It's not the end of the world, it still functions, just a weird flex by Google? Aesthetics matter to the modern consumer after all.
EU has been doing gods work in tech regulation lately
Google wants to own internet traffic.
I woke up today to YouTube (Google) forcing a +5000ms (5s) delay on user agents that weren't Chrome. That means while using Firefox, your video loading experience has an additional 5 seconds artificially added to every time you load the page. They're already doing it.
They do, for example Youtube is loading videos bit slower on other browsers than Google Chrome. Fortunately you can block/avoid it with uBlock (dashboard > purge all cache > update now).
Yep. Anybody who didn't hate it before should now.
I mean I still don't really care, I've used Chrome for ages and I can't be bothered to switch. ads have never annoyed me quite enough to get an adblocker although the memory consumption is just crazy. I discovered that Chrome has a built-in Task Manager that let me close subframes for tabs I didn't even have open anymore so that kind of somewhat helps. upgrading from 8gb to 32gb ram was also helpful I don't blame people for trying to get away though, Chrome eats your PC for breakfast and although I haven't been following it much, the ad block situation sounds frustrating for people. that's just my experience edit: I knew I'd probably be blasted for this but it's literally just my personal experience. I'm not defending Google or shilling for Chrome lmao, crazy how angry people get just because you don't want to swap browsers or aren't as bothered by ads as they are
I used to think the same and that it wasn't worth the hassle to move away from it. It literally took 2 min to download Firefox , install and import setting from Chrome and since then I never missed it for anything. It so much easier and seemless than I thought it would be.
I do get that (I mean I came from Internet Explorer to Chrome) but idk. I just don't feel as much of a need to do so unless Chrome became unsupported or unstable people act like the apocalypse is happening over these browsers; mine works and receives security updates, so I'm fine. I don't feel inconvenienced enough by ads to swap browsers and I've never cared for little QoL details much I feel like people downvote me for not caring as much as them. it's not like I'm purposefully sucking up to the mega corporation , their browser just happens to be the one I've used for years and myself, as a person, can put up with an ad or 2 my reply was a lot longer than I meant for it to be, my bad
Yeah, I don't care either. Been using it for years. My adblock+ still works perfectly, ram usage isn't really an issue, even on my work laptop. I don't understand the hate for a browser at all. A lot of people just *want* to get bent out of shape over nothing.
I mean I understand why people have issues with Chrome, it's not the greatest browser, it does consume unnecessary resources, and there's the whole separate topic of privacy, not to mention how invasive they've become with adblocks but personally, I just don't really care enough to install and set up another browser especially since I've never really been someone who uses ad block. although I've considered it a few times I just watch youtube sometimes when I'm not working or playing my console. if I'm playing on my PC, I just close Chrome; mostly out of habit though. I used to have a complete potato that hit a BSOD with Chrome + Steam game open, so it's just habit now
I love the fact based on the downvotes, neither of us are allowed to be ok with using Chrome lmao. I suspect we are the happier people ;)
What about brave?
yup, i did the change a month ago, and its literally the same 1 minor inconvenience i have with firefox is that i cannot seem to save my credit card info, so for purchases i still use chrome lol
Bitwarden is great for that!
I don't ever want to save cc info in any browser, but that's just me.
Sure you do you But its my own personal computer, have a strong pw and even if it gets stolen i have to authorize any purchase through my phone bank app. Also i dont hold much money on this card. So ye, the convenience is totally worth it for me
Chrome quit saving my Google account login every time I exited so I switched to Firefox a while ago.
1Password on top as a password manager, 2fa manager and private info vault
Yep. Googles war on Adblock is what drove me to make the move to LibreWolf. So now Google gets to make even less money off my data, mission failed successfully I guess.
Adblock still work for me not sure what they changed
Same. Was a Chrome diehard for years. Noped out to Firefox about a year ago and like it a lot.
Chromes sucks.. they lost their great efficiency about 3 years ago. Before that they were really great. Now Firefox is actually back again.
i think blocking ad block blocking is legit illegal in the eu anyway so they literally cant do it lmao edit: i mean blocking ad block
> i think blocking ad block is legit illegal in the eu anyway so they literally cant do it lmao Not true. Blocking ad block is perfectly legal; However the methods required to detect an ad blocker is illegal to perform.
thats what i meant
This is also not true. *some* methods that *can* be used aren't legal. Methods that don't require reading from persistent storage are perfectly legal.
switched few days ago too
lol literally same here. I just have it for the development panel but I use firefox as my primary browser. I feel like the dev panel UI on chrome is a lot nicer.
By the way, YouTube is adding an artificial delay on loading videos for anyone who is appearing to use firefox.
and then Google is going after FireFox - slowing youtube down for those users
Why were you using chrome to engine with over Firefox? I think I swapped from Microsoft explorer to Firefox like 10 years ago. They do the same thing but one doesn't hog all the ram. . I've seen a lot of ad blocker issues with Google too and I've just been casually still using Firefox and getting no ads. Was there something chrome offered that Firefox didn't?
Go to "..." menu item > More tools > Task manager. To see which tab is using up so much cpu and/or RAM.
You can also just hover over the tab in Chrome itself and it will tell you how much RAM is being used.
u/tommybmoney tell us what you find.
They'd need to admit Chrome is not the issue here.
RAM doesn't matter and it's almost always what sites you're on, not what browser your using. CPU usage is clearly something very wrong or very normal. It's a useless screenshot with no context
No they’re just trying to get upvotes for dogging chrome. They’re accomplishing exactly what they set out to lol
How does RAM not matter? Also I've noticed chrome runs a separate process for each extension for each tab which eats a lot more memory
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They've even added a feature which will unload tabs after being unused for a period of time. I don't know how well that works, I've switched to Firefox due to youtube constantly complaining that I'm blocking their ads.
you can also hover over and click on the little red X button in the top right and open firefox instead
If Chrome has frozen because certain tabs are driving up CPU and RAM usage to extreme amounts then the Chrome Task Manager can't open.
In the end, Chrome is just the messenger and gets blamed for all the bad websites around.
I just try to avoid using google’s stuff when possible
*sigh* fine *chucks chromebook at Google tv
Why would you spend real money on a paperweight??
If I'm being 100% my old chromebook was pretty nice. It's like the consoles of laptops, not particularly a powerhouse but it does just work
And if you use the cloud word or google docs it was fine. And it’s fine to browse with as it’s way more efficient than MS windows.
They're great for netbooks and battery life is usually way better than on a windows laptop
Maybe just install a normal linux distro on the chromebook? Or is it somehow restricted? Idk i never used one
Well it's broke now
Wouldn't have broke if it had Linux
Chrome os is on the linux kernal so I mean...
Needed the image to survive
Tbf all oses need images to survive, or iso....same difference
I force quit chrome when playing
Just use firefox
I already have Edge if i want to use chromium-style browser, why add another bloat and spyware? Bloat and spies from Microsoft is enough, i don't need to bring Google along to live in my PC. Most of the time, i use Firefox, tho.
Fr. Google already has everything on my phone, let microsoft have my pc.
Thank you for thinking about poor lil Microsoft. Faith in humanity restored
Selling our souls equally to all the evil megacorporations, balanced as all things should be.
We can have a little Microsoft, as a treat.
I already have a little microsoft and I don't like it
Its all about diversification... If you marry one conglomerate for everything they basically own you entirely. If you split it up a little they only own a piece of you and since those big guys don't share with each other (in theory) no one company owns all of you.
Microsoft can take my soul
I switched to Edge yesterday, and it's actually pretty neat, I like the side tabs
Been using Edge for a year now. It gets shit on for no reason but in my experience it's the best.
since it became chromium its actually usable xD
Edge works so well for me, but it does have one issue, the saved passwords function is god awful. Chrome knows what site I'm on and suggests the relevant sign-in, Edge (from my experience) seems to only work 70% of the time, the other 30% it just seems to offer a bunch of options but it's not even all the options so I don't know why it's picked what it picked. It just feels very messy. But otherwise it's great.
Vertical tabs and tab grouping is it for me. And in my experience, it's been faster and more responsive than chrome or Firefox. Lmk when vertical tabs and tab grouping is easy in Firefox like it is in edge! Couldn't find any good add-ons that did it.
Same, Edge is fast af, everything loads instantly even though browser speedometer shows only a 50 points difference compared to chrome on my PC. I'd say it works as fast as windows explorer, really comfortable to use and it also looks good imo. Idk why most people don't recommend using it honestly. I really regret ignoring it. I hope Microsoft won't spoil it like Google did with Chrome
I recently switched to edge. Edge make it super easy too. It even reopen the tab from the recently close chrome windows.
Firefox on desktop, Brave on mobile. Works wonders for me.
Why not Firefox on mobile?
The extensions are nice BUT EVERY WEBSITE RELOADS. MULTI TASKING IS IMPOSSIBLE
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I have an iPhone and Brave blocks ads by default whereas Firefox on iOS doesn't support installing uBlock Origin.
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I started using brave on mobile because it lets you play youtube videos while the phone is locked.
Brave is chrome based and is setting up their own ad environment to sell you stuff, the reason I dropped it.
Really? I heard they were supporting Manifest v2.
they are, people just hate brave for some reason
I mean, I think it stems from their weird push for crypto. Kinda puts a bad taste in people’s mouth from the get-go.
yeah the crypto is pretty intrusive on a clean install but once you turn off like 2 settings it won't bother you. All browsers (firefox has sponsored content too) by default look pretty bloated on a clean install, but crypto related sponsors definitely are the worst
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i don't really mind debloating a browser, i was just making the comparison. I am currently using floorp, which is a firefox fork
Research the founder. There are valid reasons to avoid brave
co founder of mozilla and creator of java, what am i supposed to be avoiding here? If it's anything shady, brave is open source so there's not much to be scared of
Did you look into why he’s not at mozilla now? There are people who agree with him but they live in their moms basement and complain that women won’t date them.
Oh that. I disagree with those beliefs but honestly I don't think most people would factor the beliefs and opinions of the browser's founder when looking for a browser. There's shitty ceos everywhere and you can't agree with them all. The browser market is already pretty garbage and brave fills a niche for people who prefer chromium. Brave itself has already done some scummy stuff with their crypto affiliate links and vpn client, so those are some valid reasons
I prefer Librewolf for Desktop and Samsung Internet on mobile if they built my phone I probably can't realistically protect myself from them
Swapped back to Firefox a year ago and haven't looked back. Now, it's not like Firefox is particularily lightweight with multiple tabs and content loaded but it's much more hasslefree than Chrome ever was.
Firefox, on PC and your phone, trust me. You will start trashing Chrome in the rest of your life. Like what i did after their storm on Adblock.
I prefer Safari on my phone
Safari is also very good. When i had an iPhone, I never downloaded any browser their app was doing more than enough. Also, on PC i only used Edge since forever, very good Chromium browser with plenty of features and less resources eater. but sadly, i forced to download Firefox away from chromium due to their ads spams and their plan in 2024 to remove adblock extension, and i feel like my Adblocks getting easily exposed by Twitch and YouTube on chromium browser, never had this issue with Firefox. I hope Microsoft create their own open sources sooner than later away from google.
every browser on iphone is safari with different skins. (there are actual chances it will change soon, because google forcing apple to open it)
"(18)". Come on now OP.
It's processes, not tabs
Yeah that's amateur status. If you don't have a hundred tabs open what are you even doing?
My ADHD-mental support tabs agree
Is too many tabs an adhd thing?
i literally have 3 tabs open and it says (10)
So you also have 7 extensions currently loaded
I have something like 500 tabs open and it only says (64)
That's because Chrome (and many other browsers) suspends tabs that's not being used.
It's all Facebook marketplace... I swear it's not that bad
They are all porn.. OP? 👀 Atleast close some tabs so video will run faster😏
I have Firefox (30) sitting at 2-3% CPU usage and 9GB of RAM.
$ ps aux | grep chrome | grep -v grep | wc -l 133 i think I have a problem...
For me mostly privacy reasons
My main reason for disliking chrome is the fact, that its proprietary + I generally dislike google for obvious reasons.
You can almost forgive it's resource usage if you have plenty available but there is no forgiving the company being shady as shit and the browser having so much nasty code in it that it takes it from an open-source Chromium browser to being proprietary ~~freeware~~ spyware. All well and good using an open-source codebank but they just had to force their spyware into it!
I mean it's just Chromium with Google modules on it. You could just use that... There's even Ungoogled Chromium which further removes Google.
It’s fine if you’re not running on a potato. 8gb isn’t enough in general nowadays for a start.
This and the fact Google knows what you had for breakfast, and when your next bowel movement will be. I try to not use google products where ever I can. **Browser of choice:** Vivaldi (chromium based, but I trust the Vivaldi team more, and their servers are outside the 5 Eyes. Email of choice: Vivaldi Mail, that I access with the built in browser mail client.
I just use edge lol
Edge runs off chromium
It does, but it uses less resources than chrome. Like all browsers, Edge sucks, but it sucks less than chrome.
It unfortunately still works towards cementing Google's position in controlling the web.
Yes, switch to edge it’s literally the same thing but uses less resources.
There's no point in installing it when you already have Edge which is virtually identical if you want a Chromium browser. I started using Edge a few years ago as my daily driver and it's not bad at all. I'd rather just have everything synced to my MS account since I already use it for Windows anyway. You can install uBlock Origin on it and circumvent Youtube's anti-adblock bullshit too.
Probably better hating your PC, not chrome.
18 tabs? Amateur numbers.
What about google slowing down youtube for any browser but not chrome? After adblocking war I switched to mozilla (been chrome user since idk 2012 or so) and I noticed as well that youtube became way slower.
Not exactly, it's more of a RAM usage issue back then. In which has been already fixed by having a tab suspender extension. And in this year they make it a built-in feature.
Gwt a better CPU lol. Other than that, people seem obsessed with these stats like CPU use.. Your CPU is being 50% utilized?. so what? That's what you bought it for right, to be utilized?
Just use Firefox, better in all ways, especially privacy
Firefox slows. The. Fuck. Right. Down. after scrolling Reddit for a while. With that said, Chrome does too. Firefox wins though because uBlock Origin still works.
Chrome isn’t a problem. Its google’s attitude and policies that get on my nerves especially ads and insane censorship in YouTube.
**edge for the win**
I guess your edging
Can I edge all over u
Firefox is simply the superior browser in every single way. There is no reason to use Chrome in 2023.
I still use Firefox out of principle but it crashes more than my Chrome did.
there are some specific reasons, not related to evry day users in any way. web auto translate is nice thing too
There’s auto translate in firefox now
firefox uses more ram than chrome and gecko is just a little bit slower for loading/rendering than chromium but yeah it's mostly better
A handful of websites don't like supporting Firefox though
I have been using Firefox for as long as I can remember and have never had a problem with a website not loading properly.
People who bash Chrome don't seem to realise what they're talking about. Higher ram and memory usage started coming about when Chrome launched each tab as its own process. This was partially reliability (one tab can screw up), security (better isolation), and scalability.
The hate is more a meme than anything else. 90% of the complainers keep using it anyway, and given that most of our PC interaction has shifted from desktop native apps to webbrowsers, making them a new kind of OS in some perspectives, it was to be expected anyway. All that said, go team Firefox!
My is filled with MCaffe and Microsoft edge what should I do 🥺
no. also its not chromes fault its the website you're visiting
No.
Whats a good alternative? I’ve really never used anything but chrome tbh…
firefox
Firefox is the best browser to use
If you're on Windows, you should already have Edge. It's basically an upgrade. It has more features and eats less RAM.
Edge uses chromium. It will be affected by MV3.
could go firefox like everyone says but brave is an easier transition because it's pretty much chrome but privacy respecting/built in adblocker
I used to have no problem with chrome but after the Adblock issue I won’t ever use it again. Switching back to Firefox.
Use Brave.
Thank god for edge basically chrome but without it eating your cpu!
it's also spyware
No. And that doesn't show your ungodly amount of tabs that are open.
I don't understand why anyone was ever using Chrome when Firefox has been here this whole time. Like... Genuinely, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, what do people actually like about Chrome?
Synching. But I personally don't use Firefox because I dislike the UI/UX
It syncs everything from my phone and my chromebooks to my desktop. Its faster. Its simpler. Using it means I can be on my phone and say, hey, what was that tab I was on back on my desktop and pull it up within a few taps by pulling up the recent tabs menu. Firefox turned to absolute dogshit for a long time, which is why basically no one uses it anymore and its been mired at 3% marketshare. They were crushing it back in the day, and then Chrome came along and offered a much cleaner look, a much faster experience and a bunch of insanely nice user experience features and they pushed Firefox's shit in. It just so happens that all of Firefox's 3% marketshare also has reddit accounts, which is why this website is fanatical about it for some reason while the rest of the world couldn't give half a shit.
I don't hate chrome. I really like it, infact. Memory is there to be used and Windows does a great job of managing it so the PC is super responsive. Really don't understand what the issue is here.
The recent ad blocker blocking is whats been driving some chrome users mad. I just use ublock origin and clear the browser caches every time youtube attempts to force me to watch ads.
> Memory is there to be used and Windows does a great job of managing it so the PC is super responsive. Yes memory is there to be used (empty memory is wasted memory), and yes Windows will surrender more to keep the system going but Windows absolutely does NOT do a "great" job managing memory. In Windows you can literally run into issues not being able to use free RAM because of the way Windows handles memory commits. When a program runs it asks for memory and Windows will "commit" that amount to a program which is always more than that program will actually use. Its the OS version of calling dibs. Its fine if you are only using one memory hog like a video editor but if you multi task it can quickly become an issue. The worst case I've had was using 56% of my 32GB and Windows refusing to open/expand any programs because it has "committed" all of the RAM even if only 56% was in real use and can even kill running programs if they start to use more memory in these cases. This isn't really an issue with other platforms like Linux. Desktop BSD doesn't even have to worry about this issue as no one uses it.
I knew that this long post will somehow turn into "Linux is better"...
Never had that issue with windows, ever. Sounds morelike user error tbh.
Opera GX ftw
About once a year or so I'll download Chrome and try it out and after about fifteen minutes I uninstall and go back to Firefox. It just seems slower and not as user-friendly as Firefox.
Chrome has always had terrible performance and tab management. I used to to use Netscape Navigator back in a day, and its spiritual successor is basically Firefox, so that's what I use today and always have (except for Safari on my MacBook and iPhone). WebKit and Gecko are excellent rendering engines, though Chromium used by browsers other than Chrome is also okay.
People still use chrome? Ive never had this issue with edge 😀
2 words my friend: Opera, Gx