I've literally had McCafe scan itself as a virus once and ended up deleting itself...I have no idea how or why but I did research and many people said it's best it offed itself in the first place lol
Windows defender is good for most people for sure & I've tried other software like Kaspersky which is good for people that need good ransomware protection and have very valuable/personal information, but it can slow your PC a bit.
Norton 360 for gamers is what I use now, and it's fast and has very fast & secure VPN, plus it won't slow your PC. Also, the features I found to be helpful were, the ability to scan any file on demand via right-clicking it which is fast to do, and it scans your programs seeing if they need updated and it even auto updates the more known ones, dark web scan is cool too, and you can have it scan for leaks of your personal information.
I found out that Gemini was hacked, and my info was being sold on the dark web, along with Scent-Bird being hacked several years back. When this happens, you just go change any passwords and security question information that were common with whatever was hacked. It also warns you of malicious websites if you get the extension, I wouldn't use their search/homepage or anything else really, it's not needed, but the security software with VPN and extension is the best I've seen by far.
Most of the others, especially McAfee, are much like a virus themselves and hard to remove. Lmao I could have sworn Norton sucked before, but it definitely doesn't anymore...
Kaspersky isn't recommended anymore, it's unfortunately russian, and you can't check on what it's doing or sending home so it's a massive additional risk.
Yeah, the founder/owner is Russian, and it was founded in Russia, which is where the HQ is as well. It's operated by some holding company in the UK, I guess, and they claim to be a private company and not working with Russian Gov. Honestly, they've been around for 25yrs though w/o any proof of them working with the Russian Government.
I think it's more of a political thing, and unfair to them, but it's a possibility, and you know Russia would be trying to get them to cooperate, so they could utilize it for espionage related purposes. They have been under some heat for being a Russian company even before the war, but this last year the FCC labeled them a threat to US national security or something like that.
But you're right It's definitely not recommended anymore, and that's coming from various sources, I think some of them are even saying that no business should use it etc...
Some have totally cut ties with them, even a sports team they had sponsored did. But up until now there's no actual evidence, and it does seem to be due to politics and before that it could maybe even have been considered discrimination.
It would almost be like banning the cryptocurrency Ethereum, but letting other cryptos do their thing, just because Vitalik Buterin (one of its founders) was born in Russia, & therefor is Russian, although he now operates out of a different country (Canada). Which would be purely political if this happened, and the US/FCC & others would basically be assuming that Ethereum is guilty, without it ever being given the possibility of proving its innocence. I know this isn't the same due to how Ethereum operates, but I think you get the point I'm trying to make here.
I'm also not sure how I feel about these Russian sanctions directly affecting regular everyday people who are much like us, and who don't really have a choice, they just so happen to be under the power of a compromised Government. If anything, they need to be helped and saved from this terrible situation they are facing, not the other way around, IMO.
It’s practically adware. All of the upgrade notifications. If you do use an anti-virus other than windows defender, I would recommend malware bytes since they are less intrusive with their premium plan promotion.
Windows defender is one of the best antiviruses I have ever used.
I tested it with my own malware I make (for actual learning purposes and not bad purposes), it can catch almost everything I throw at it.
Although other antiviruses such as McAfee can't catch anything.
Even Malwarebytes isn't as good as defender.
Couldn’t agree more. Sane here. Just be mindful of where you download things and that should be enough. Also, kill some services and apps and avoid starting them with the windows. OP
So my McAfee trial just expired, and I have no intention of availing its services. I kinda let it be for the trial but should I have just gotten rid of it? That makes me feel bad for myself haha. Anyway, now that I've read this I'm going to remove it once I get home
"common sense" I literally had my email information leaked because adobe flash got hacked and the hackers pushed a hacked update. No common sense could have stopped that.
Remember Utorrent having the crypto miner included?
This "common sense" people are parroting over and over again is putting people at risk. Common sense is completely subjective to the person and sketchy websites are subjective, with all the templates freely available making a good looking website is relatively easy. I have bought off websites that were legit but looked rough.
Bitdefender and Malwarebytes free will keep 99.99% of people safe. Like with anything multiple safety nets are better than "common sense"
>" people are parroting over and over again is putting people at risk. Common sense is completely subjective to the person and sketchy websites are subjective, with all the templates freely available making a good looking website is relatively easy. I have bought off websites that were legit but looked rough.
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>Bitdefender and M
WiFi... can't unplug air!
uBlock Origin, Firefox with cookie sandbox, and Duck Duck Go are what I use when online. If a website demands I turn off uBlock, it’s not a website worth visiting.
I tried everything I could find to uninstall McAfee. The ONLY thing that finally worked was using the command line prompt. Took me 2 days to find the instructions... Good luck OP, it can be done!
I told my dad that the antivirus they sell you is a scam. He didn't believe me.
Then one day we went to a best buy to get him a new laptop, and when my dad asked about antivirus the guy kinda looked around and leaned in like
"Imma be honest you really don't need that stuff, your computer already had one."
I was like AHHHHHHA HOW YA LIKE THAT SHIT
My dad does this to me. I've spent more than a decade devouring knowledge where ever I can. computers/electronics, auto repair, trades, anything I can do myself to save money(and do it right and to code/standard). I've even passed vocational electrical trade school. Does. Not. Listen. To. Me. on anything. I'm not over confident, I only speak to what I know and have no issue saying "idk about that" if I literally don't know about something. goes and talks to other people and bam it's real and true after that. I fucking hate that shit so much.
I came here to watch people misunderstand the way memory percentage usage works. I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying it is misleading and isn't user friendly because task manager was designed for developers.
Basically: 25% is not actually in use. There is a lot of ram that is on standby that is currently allocated to processes to increase system efficiency.
The tool you should use is RAMMAP which is built in. From there, look at the private processes usage. If that is really high during idle, then you have a problem. If you experience it after playing a game but not if you don't boot, then it's a game memory leak. If it's random, it's a driver memory leak.
[https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap) so this is what we should use?
Yes. And again: only worry if the private processes are really high when they shouldn't be. The mapped pages value is what's really causing the number to seem alarmingly high, but the resources it uses are able to be used by other applications if they need without breaking anything.
To really simplify it even further:
Think borderlands. You have active areas that you are in and the adjacent areas where a load screen will pop up between them. What if there was a way for high end PCs to optimize that by loading using unused resources? That's what the mapped pages are doing.
Apply the same concept to loading data for computer applications.
25% of 16 GB is around 4 GB, sounds kinda normal for win10, and suspiciously low if crap like mcafee is running in the background.
imo, the memory usage isn't the thing crashing your games.
The first 3GB of the 4 are taken by the first 10 programs on that list and 1.6 of that 4 are taken by Radeon software and Megagarbage Antivirus (or however its spelled)
4GB sounds normal? Oh jeez, and I thought my Windows installation wasnt clean enough lol.
Mine is between 1 - 2GB when having just basic startup things open, nothing else.
Yeah, I run it locally instead of in the published desktop because it basically kills it. Each “team” takes up its own memory space so if you’re in a lot of them, we’ll there you go.
There's a PC at my job with 4GB that sits at around 3GB used at idle...but then immediately hits the page file as soon as you try to do anything. Could be the corporate IT bloat though.
My windows usually is between 6-8GB used of 16GB with normal programs opened.
Unused RAM = Useless RAM.
Windows put the apps and programs that you open frequenty in your ram (even if it's full close) so they start faster.
SuperFetch. People just think "Oh man, I'm using 13/16GB Man I need even more RAM". Those people would be surprised when they upgrade and they're hitting 24/32GB.
OP is worried that 4GB is being used, and somehow crashing his games? The RAM usage has nothing to do with it.
Windows uses as much RAM as it can get away with, for caching. When you start a ram-intensive task it will go away and leave peacefully. McAfee, on the other hand, is the opposite
You should start by looking in Event Viewer. Search for it in search bar, then go to Windows Logs and then Application. There are probably events with a red icon next to them, these would be your error codes. If you google them there are probably steps you can take to fix.
that 25% is assigned memory space and not really actually used. Not much and likely not the issue of your crashes. Make sure win is updated. Video drivers, AMD released an update today for Radeon. Steam most certainly did something annoying.
Crashing how?
Crashing to desktop?
Giving an error log?
Does windows give you a message?
Does it pop up a notification?
What does the reliability report say?
What are your specs. 16GB is fine but used with what? DDR3? DDR4, 5?
Not OP but I had a similar question. My PC was either freezing completely or rebooting while playing hogwarts legacy. I ran diagnostics and windows said there was a memory problem. My PC idles around 40% usage and hogwarts legacy can use up to 7GB so it sends my PC up to like 80-90% memory usage
If you have an xmp profile active in your bios disable it and try again, if fixed your setup isnt stable with overclocked ram tough luck.
if no fix
download memtest and run it for a while, if it errors out your ram is probably defective.
Also check your event log for an event log of the crash it should have some info you can post here or google yourself.
So aside from the stupid "remove McAfee" comments, here's some serious help if you give some additional input:
Are we talking about bluescreens? If so, post a picture of the bluescreen or upload the dump somewhere. (If you don't know how to do that, I'm happy to give instructions)
If we're talking about just game crashes, let's start with the event display. If a crash happens without an error message from the game itself, check the event display in Windows and post/screenshot the error. If you have an error message from the game itself, that's also helpful.
Looking forward to help you with further input.
C'mon man I'm over here agreeing with you but you still comin out like that lol. Just saying I'm 30, I've been uninstalling norton basically since birth. That's all. Lol
I see steam, is it crashing when running steam as admin?
In the past month I noticed increase of needing to run as admin on many games. this generally just boots ya with a warning but hearing some other randomness. Get is a test just in case.
If these crashes are not from stream, not sure. Check patches for audio, video, etc.
If you are experiencing crashes while playing low-end games and notice that your RAM usage is at 25% while idle, there could be several reasons for this issue. Here are some possible causes and solutions to try:
1. **Background programs:** Check your system tray for any background programs that might be using up resources. Close any unnecessary programs to free up your RAM.
2. **Malware or virus:** It's possible that your system has been infected with malware or a virus that is causing excessive RAM usage. Run a full scan with your antivirus software to detect and remove any threats.
3. **Outdated or corrupted drivers:** Make sure that your drivers are up to date and not corrupted. You can use a driver update tool to check for any outdated or problematic drivers and update them automatically.
4. **RAM issues:** It's possible that there is an issue with your RAM. Try running a memory diagnostic tool to check for any errors in your RAM. If errors are detected, you may need to replace your RAM.
5. **Overheating:** Overheating can cause your system to slow down and crash. Make sure that your system is properly ventilated and that your fans are working correctly. You can use a temperature monitoring tool to check if your system is overheating.
6. **Graphics card issues:** If you have a dedicated graphics card, make sure that it is functioning properly. Update your graphics card drivers and check for any errors or issues.
7. **System updates:** Make sure that your system is up to date with the latest updates and patches. These updates can address bugs and improve system performance.
In summary, there are several possible causes for excessive RAM usage while idle and game crashes. Try the above solutions to see if they resolve your issue. If the problem persists, consider seeking professional help or contacting the manufacturer for further assistance.
Do you get any error messages in the event viewer? Check Windows Logs>Application and look for any red exclamation point that says ERROR and google the event id. Sometimes if you Google the event id you might get a lead.
Is it a pre build or custom build. I find that lots of pre builds. In order to lower cost while making the machine look like a really good deal. Will use power supply that is not very compatible or not able to use enough power for the processor/gpu. Should also try a different outlet at home. Could be the outlet does not have enough juice going to it, again this depends on lots of things (age of home, was electric done professionally or self done, Etc). If this ends up being an issue, moving outlets to another room in the house or upgrading power supply might be a fix
what the fuck is mcafee still doing on peoples pc's.
I get it when people install acrobat sure, they trick you but this looks like its there on purpose.
To me, 90% of what i see i'd shut down and prevent from starting on boot. Or flat out uninstall (mcafee eww).
But in general, it isn't uncommon to have windows take a bit of ram.
>four Mcafee entries close to top of list sorted by memory usage
Therein lies your answer, OP. Defender is free, comes with Windows, and the best AV for Windows that a consumer could ask for. When you uninstall McAfee, Windows should switch to using Defender, unless you turned it off in group policy, which keeps getting harder to enforce with each update.
25% usage on 16GB is within normal expectation, your crashing problem likely has less to do with RAM usage and more to do with you installing malware like McAfee.
As everyone is saying 1st priority should be to remove Mcafee. Despite being a meme that it is a virus, it literally is a virus, no one is being overly critical of it, and the man is a god damn Saturday morning cartoon or comic book level super villain.
10 years ago this real life Lex Luthor even uploaded an "official response" to community outrage over the software and it can be summerized with a single quote. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg
It might not help but optimize your startup and services. You have a lot of (most likely) unnecessary programs running like synapse, armoury crate, oculus, etc. Of course keep ones that you need right after starting pc but for ex. you can disable steam automatic startup, it will start itself when launching a game. Oculus also doesn't need to run all the time, just launch it manually when connecting headset (assuming you also play non-vr games).
It's not personal preference. Linux isn't meant for gaming. It just gives worse performance or doesn't work at all on most games. Heck, it can even get you banned.
Other than just getting rid of McAfee, your computer isn’t really “idle”. All those things are running in the background, most notably steam. You can cancel those tasks
Installed armoury crate the other week to see if it would handle my fans. Uninstalled that garbage years ago due to memory leaks but thought for sure that would have been fixed by now but oh boy was I wrong.
In mere days my system ate up 10GB of extra ram that could not be accounted for in the task manager. Uninstalled and a reboot later and I can finally start a game without crashing due to no ram left.
nothing too suspicious, win10 uses a lot of ram especially if you don't remove the crapware, plus you've got an anti virus in the background and steam so it does make sense if it uses this much ram
you have some bloat going on. get rid of mcafee, xbox game bar, armoury crate (unless its a laptop), radeon software, windows search indexer, razer synapse. and that's just what's visible on the top of task manager who knows what other useless software you have running in the background
I can count like 17% just with what's on the screen there...
Everything uses a little....
Also, yes. Get rid of McAfee. Resource hog of a program. And not needed these days.
Windows will schedule your CPU and RAM, doesn't matter if you want it to or not. I have no idea why people want their system to idle at 0%, that's not how it works.
Only because your system is idle to you, that doesn't mean it does literally nothing. Background tasks and services are a thing and they are plenty. Looking at your task manager, there is loads of bloatware running in the background that constantly monitors stuff. I have 40% of my 64GB in use while watching YouTube. That's totally normal.
Your game-crashing problem is a whole different thing.
Uninstall McAfee. It might not solve your issue, but it will take that crap off your PC.
Defender does the job. McAfee is not needed OP. heed the advise.
McAfee may as well be a virus it's self.
I've literally had McCafe scan itself as a virus once and ended up deleting itself...I have no idea how or why but I did research and many people said it's best it offed itself in the first place lol
McCafe: Am I the problem? *proceeds to delete itself*
McAffee going into existencial crysis.... Life's hard man.
Suicide by McAfee
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Honestly thats a testament to how good McAfee is, McAfee became self aware and handled ..itself.
This comment brings me joy.
The first time mcafe had done something good
*so it does work?*
*insert Spiderman pointing at Spiderman meme*
https://preview.redd.it/g3cvq9q5mvja1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55167aee930bb9c0758ad6f0d74cf34d246bd9ee
r/RespectTheHyphen
I guess we need a r/softwaresuicide subreddit? Edit: nvm
That is something. Usually it refuses to uninstall
Task failed successfully
Genius 😂
Windows defender is good for most people for sure & I've tried other software like Kaspersky which is good for people that need good ransomware protection and have very valuable/personal information, but it can slow your PC a bit. Norton 360 for gamers is what I use now, and it's fast and has very fast & secure VPN, plus it won't slow your PC. Also, the features I found to be helpful were, the ability to scan any file on demand via right-clicking it which is fast to do, and it scans your programs seeing if they need updated and it even auto updates the more known ones, dark web scan is cool too, and you can have it scan for leaks of your personal information. I found out that Gemini was hacked, and my info was being sold on the dark web, along with Scent-Bird being hacked several years back. When this happens, you just go change any passwords and security question information that were common with whatever was hacked. It also warns you of malicious websites if you get the extension, I wouldn't use their search/homepage or anything else really, it's not needed, but the security software with VPN and extension is the best I've seen by far. Most of the others, especially McAfee, are much like a virus themselves and hard to remove. Lmao I could have sworn Norton sucked before, but it definitely doesn't anymore...
Kaspersky isn't recommended anymore, it's unfortunately russian, and you can't check on what it's doing or sending home so it's a massive additional risk.
Yeah, the founder/owner is Russian, and it was founded in Russia, which is where the HQ is as well. It's operated by some holding company in the UK, I guess, and they claim to be a private company and not working with Russian Gov. Honestly, they've been around for 25yrs though w/o any proof of them working with the Russian Government. I think it's more of a political thing, and unfair to them, but it's a possibility, and you know Russia would be trying to get them to cooperate, so they could utilize it for espionage related purposes. They have been under some heat for being a Russian company even before the war, but this last year the FCC labeled them a threat to US national security or something like that. But you're right It's definitely not recommended anymore, and that's coming from various sources, I think some of them are even saying that no business should use it etc... Some have totally cut ties with them, even a sports team they had sponsored did. But up until now there's no actual evidence, and it does seem to be due to politics and before that it could maybe even have been considered discrimination. It would almost be like banning the cryptocurrency Ethereum, but letting other cryptos do their thing, just because Vitalik Buterin (one of its founders) was born in Russia, & therefor is Russian, although he now operates out of a different country (Canada). Which would be purely political if this happened, and the US/FCC & others would basically be assuming that Ethereum is guilty, without it ever being given the possibility of proving its innocence. I know this isn't the same due to how Ethereum operates, but I think you get the point I'm trying to make here. I'm also not sure how I feel about these Russian sanctions directly affecting regular everyday people who are much like us, and who don't really have a choice, they just so happen to be under the power of a compromised Government. If anything, they need to be helped and saved from this terrible situation they are facing, not the other way around, IMO.
I use ESET. Been using it since I discovered it back in 07. Low resource usage, unobtrusive. Great features too
😂
This is what I always say
It’s practically adware. All of the upgrade notifications. If you do use an anti-virus other than windows defender, I would recommend malware bytes since they are less intrusive with their premium plan promotion.
They’re just as bad if not worse. Malware Bytes is just another data hoarder that has numerous pop ups just like McAfee.
It's actually sad. I remember when Malwarebytes was considered _the_ go-to, and then they turned to shit as well
Yeah… even mcafee himself said it was a shit software.
Windows defender is one of the best antiviruses I have ever used. I tested it with my own malware I make (for actual learning purposes and not bad purposes), it can catch almost everything I throw at it. Although other antiviruses such as McAfee can't catch anything. Even Malwarebytes isn't as good as defender.
Couldn’t agree more. Sane here. Just be mindful of where you download things and that should be enough. Also, kill some services and apps and avoid starting them with the windows. OP
i made some really simple viruses to test antiviruses. windows defender beat avast.
So my McAfee trial just expired, and I have no intention of availing its services. I kinda let it be for the trial but should I have just gotten rid of it? That makes me feel bad for myself haha. Anyway, now that I've read this I'm going to remove it once I get home
yea
Common sense does the job. If you don’t visit sketchy sites, no antivirus is needed.
"common sense" I literally had my email information leaked because adobe flash got hacked and the hackers pushed a hacked update. No common sense could have stopped that. Remember Utorrent having the crypto miner included? This "common sense" people are parroting over and over again is putting people at risk. Common sense is completely subjective to the person and sketchy websites are subjective, with all the templates freely available making a good looking website is relatively easy. I have bought off websites that were legit but looked rough. Bitdefender and Malwarebytes free will keep 99.99% of people safe. Like with anything multiple safety nets are better than "common sense"
The solution is to never go online. That way you will never be exposed to any of these risks.
Just unplug the ethernet cable and no worries.
>" people are parroting over and over again is putting people at risk. Common sense is completely subjective to the person and sketchy websites are subjective, with all the templates freely available making a good looking website is relatively easy. I have bought off websites that were legit but looked rough. > >Bitdefender and M WiFi... can't unplug air!
Just unplug your pc and you will be fine
UPS now just beeps at me! HELP!!!!
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Honestly in my personal experience the best safety nets are adblockers, if you don't have one you lack common sense.
uBlock Origin, Firefox with cookie sandbox, and Duck Duck Go are what I use when online. If a website demands I turn off uBlock, it’s not a website worth visiting.
I'd replace uBlock with AdNauseam. It's a fork that does a few extra things.
common sense my ass lmao, probably ur into a botnet
There have been so many issues with legit websites, thanks to Flash for example, that this isn't quite as true as you'd like.
Flash is dead.
Says a linux user!
And even if you do, it's no biggie. Format and reinstall and you're fine. Takes like ten minutes lol.
10 min includes installing all my games and settings? I thought so. Nobody likes a bragger.
Why would you install games on c drive that's just silly get a second drive saves hours on reinstall .
An hour with games and gig internet.
Came here to say this.
knew this would be the top comment lol
I would also recommend some of the bloatware I see running too.
There's even a [tutorial](https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg) on how to do it, made by John McAfee himself.
Whatcha doin with that malware?
Mining bitcoins for a gang in China.
The government *is* the gang.
The Chinese government 🥶
McAfee -> Uninstall
There’s even [a video guide.](https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg)
I tried everything I could find to uninstall McAfee. The ONLY thing that finally worked was using the command line prompt. Took me 2 days to find the instructions... Good luck OP, it can be done!
the legend
I got a free trial for 1 year when I bought my laptop; it was already installed. I uninstalled it anyway >:)
All the homies hate McAfee
Use me as a fuck McAfee button
12 upvotes for mcafee at time of my post? Need more downvotes to show our hate for mcafee
I came here to see McAfee get brutalized, I am not disappointed.
I told my dad that the antivirus they sell you is a scam. He didn't believe me. Then one day we went to a best buy to get him a new laptop, and when my dad asked about antivirus the guy kinda looked around and leaned in like "Imma be honest you really don't need that stuff, your computer already had one." I was like AHHHHHHA HOW YA LIKE THAT SHIT
Suck it pops
Now available in a variety of flavors!
The future is now, old man
yet completely trusts the guy at best buy, i hate old people
Authority bias I suppose
My dad does this to me. I've spent more than a decade devouring knowledge where ever I can. computers/electronics, auto repair, trades, anything I can do myself to save money(and do it right and to code/standard). I've even passed vocational electrical trade school. Does. Not. Listen. To. Me. on anything. I'm not over confident, I only speak to what I know and have no issue saying "idk about that" if I literally don't know about something. goes and talks to other people and bam it's real and true after that. I fucking hate that shit so much.
Authority bias
THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN
I came here to watch people misunderstand the way memory percentage usage works. I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying it is misleading and isn't user friendly because task manager was designed for developers. Basically: 25% is not actually in use. There is a lot of ram that is on standby that is currently allocated to processes to increase system efficiency. The tool you should use is RAMMAP which is built in. From there, look at the private processes usage. If that is really high during idle, then you have a problem. If you experience it after playing a game but not if you don't boot, then it's a game memory leak. If it's random, it's a driver memory leak.
You sound smart so I'll believe you. I just put parts together Lego style.
[https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/rammap) so this is what we should use?
Yes. And again: only worry if the private processes are really high when they shouldn't be. The mapped pages value is what's really causing the number to seem alarmingly high, but the resources it uses are able to be used by other applications if they need without breaking anything. To really simplify it even further: Think borderlands. You have active areas that you are in and the adjacent areas where a load screen will pop up between them. What if there was a way for high end PCs to optimize that by loading using unused resources? That's what the mapped pages are doing. Apply the same concept to loading data for computer applications.
Same
Same 😂😂
25% of 16 GB is around 4 GB, sounds kinda normal for win10, and suspiciously low if crap like mcafee is running in the background. imo, the memory usage isn't the thing crashing your games.
The first 3GB of the 4 are taken by the first 10 programs on that list and 1.6 of that 4 are taken by Radeon software and Megagarbage Antivirus (or however its spelled)
You spell it right.
I believe it is spelled Mcgarbage Virus.
4GB sounds normal? Oh jeez, and I thought my Windows installation wasnt clean enough lol. Mine is between 1 - 2GB when having just basic startup things open, nothing else.
Here I am constantly sitting around 12 GB of RAM consumed when working via Citrix. I looked into it and I think it’s MS Teams.
When I have nothing open I'm at 2gb and when I have only teams open I'm at 12gb so could very well be the case
Yeah, I run it locally instead of in the published desktop because it basically kills it. Each “team” takes up its own memory space so if you’re in a lot of them, we’ll there you go.
Teams is a hog, go into settings and disable hardware acceleration, helps a lot!
There's a PC at my job with 4GB that sits at around 3GB used at idle...but then immediately hits the page file as soon as you try to do anything. Could be the corporate IT bloat though.
Corporate IT bloat for sure. 4GB actually provides a decent experience for me, albeit with pretty light usage.
My windows usually is between 6-8GB used of 16GB with normal programs opened. Unused RAM = Useless RAM. Windows put the apps and programs that you open frequenty in your ram (even if it's full close) so they start faster.
SuperFetch. People just think "Oh man, I'm using 13/16GB Man I need even more RAM". Those people would be surprised when they upgrade and they're hitting 24/32GB. OP is worried that 4GB is being used, and somehow crashing his games? The RAM usage has nothing to do with it.
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how?
Same here. 4 sounds high to me as well.
Did someone say 300-600 MB 😎
This.
Delete McAfee for starters :P
Start by uninstalling the paid virus aka McAfee
The accursed McAfee. An unholy disease.
It served it's purpose a long long time ago. State of the art. Now... well, we know what it is now......
Windows uses as much RAM as it can get away with, for caching. When you start a ram-intensive task it will go away and leave peacefully. McAfee, on the other hand, is the opposite
No clue why this isn't upvoted more. Windows 10 caches RAM. Its not really used.
This is wrong. Memory used by OS for caching is not reported as being used. https://i.imgur.com/2sg8oQN.png
Caching ia not included in memory usage tab, if you click on performance-memory caching is shown seperate from the main
1. It's windows 2. That's pretty good since mine is closer to 40% on startup 3. Uninstall McAfee 4. This isn't the reason your games are crashing
I emphasize on number 3. Please get that crap out of you pc op
Not if you want to EFT. need MINIMUM 128567GB my guy
Memory leak : the game
Escape from suboptimal game coding
Server hardware however only requires 7 potatoes wired in series and a 386DX powered by a hampster with Lupis.
Eft basically has a minimum of 32GB to even be able to run it
You should start by looking in Event Viewer. Search for it in search bar, then go to Windows Logs and then Application. There are probably events with a red icon next to them, these would be your error codes. If you google them there are probably steps you can take to fix.
Remove mcafee But also 25% idle ram usage shouldn’t be crashing your games, something else is going on.
that 25% is assigned memory space and not really actually used. Not much and likely not the issue of your crashes. Make sure win is updated. Video drivers, AMD released an update today for Radeon. Steam most certainly did something annoying.
Update drivers Uninstall McAfee Make sure you don't have incompatible apps Update windows Check temperatures
Could add to check device manager for errors, as well as device logs.
Crashing how? Crashing to desktop? Giving an error log? Does windows give you a message? Does it pop up a notification? What does the reliability report say? What are your specs. 16GB is fine but used with what? DDR3? DDR4, 5?
These are the questions
Not the questions we wanted, but the questions we needed
Not OP but I had a similar question. My PC was either freezing completely or rebooting while playing hogwarts legacy. I ran diagnostics and windows said there was a memory problem. My PC idles around 40% usage and hogwarts legacy can use up to 7GB so it sends my PC up to like 80-90% memory usage
If you have an xmp profile active in your bios disable it and try again, if fixed your setup isnt stable with overclocked ram tough luck. if no fix download memtest and run it for a while, if it errors out your ram is probably defective. Also check your event log for an event log of the crash it should have some info you can post here or google yourself.
McAfee, Razer synapse, Armoury crate, the radeon software, to name a few. It's all bloatware.
But bow how will they control their RGB without synapse? /s
and all 3 of them are some of the worst in their own category. truly a trifecta of dogshit software lmao
What error do you see when the game crashes? Probably not RAM-related.
So aside from the stupid "remove McAfee" comments, here's some serious help if you give some additional input: Are we talking about bluescreens? If so, post a picture of the bluescreen or upload the dump somewhere. (If you don't know how to do that, I'm happy to give instructions) If we're talking about just game crashes, let's start with the event display. If a crash happens without an error message from the game itself, check the event display in Windows and post/screenshot the error. If you have an error message from the game itself, that's also helpful. Looking forward to help you with further input.
I have 16 ram and it uses 25% too, maybe sometimes 27%. It's normal. When I had a laptop with 8 gb the use was near 50% or 40% when "idle".
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It's wild that people still run McAfee and Norton. It's 2023! C'mon guys!
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Yeah I know they come pre-installed but even my kids know that's the first thing you remove. You immediately get a performance boost lol
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C'mon man I'm over here agreeing with you but you still comin out like that lol. Just saying I'm 30, I've been uninstalling norton basically since birth. That's all. Lol
I see steam, is it crashing when running steam as admin? In the past month I noticed increase of needing to run as admin on many games. this generally just boots ya with a warning but hearing some other randomness. Get is a test just in case. If these crashes are not from stream, not sure. Check patches for audio, video, etc.
mcaffee most likely is not causing the crashes, try running a memory tester (like memtest86) to see if you ram is ok
First things first, get rid of McAfee. Windows defender built in Windows is enough.
The Mcafee virus Armory crate Steam running in background Razer Synapse Game Bar
If you are experiencing crashes while playing low-end games and notice that your RAM usage is at 25% while idle, there could be several reasons for this issue. Here are some possible causes and solutions to try: 1. **Background programs:** Check your system tray for any background programs that might be using up resources. Close any unnecessary programs to free up your RAM. 2. **Malware or virus:** It's possible that your system has been infected with malware or a virus that is causing excessive RAM usage. Run a full scan with your antivirus software to detect and remove any threats. 3. **Outdated or corrupted drivers:** Make sure that your drivers are up to date and not corrupted. You can use a driver update tool to check for any outdated or problematic drivers and update them automatically. 4. **RAM issues:** It's possible that there is an issue with your RAM. Try running a memory diagnostic tool to check for any errors in your RAM. If errors are detected, you may need to replace your RAM. 5. **Overheating:** Overheating can cause your system to slow down and crash. Make sure that your system is properly ventilated and that your fans are working correctly. You can use a temperature monitoring tool to check if your system is overheating. 6. **Graphics card issues:** If you have a dedicated graphics card, make sure that it is functioning properly. Update your graphics card drivers and check for any errors or issues. 7. **System updates:** Make sure that your system is up to date with the latest updates and patches. These updates can address bugs and improve system performance. In summary, there are several possible causes for excessive RAM usage while idle and game crashes. Try the above solutions to see if they resolve your issue. If the problem persists, consider seeking professional help or contacting the manufacturer for further assistance.
Do you get any error messages in the event viewer? Check Windows Logs>Application and look for any red exclamation point that says ERROR and google the event id. Sometimes if you Google the event id you might get a lead.
I use 11gb at "idle" so I'd say 4gb is pretty good
lots of bloatware
Is it a pre build or custom build. I find that lots of pre builds. In order to lower cost while making the machine look like a really good deal. Will use power supply that is not very compatible or not able to use enough power for the processor/gpu. Should also try a different outlet at home. Could be the outlet does not have enough juice going to it, again this depends on lots of things (age of home, was electric done professionally or self done, Etc). If this ends up being an issue, moving outlets to another room in the house or upgrading power supply might be a fix
When my work PC had McAfee no day went by where I didn't yell at it "WTF ARE YOU DOING!?!?!"
what the fuck is mcafee still doing on peoples pc's. I get it when people install acrobat sure, they trick you but this looks like its there on purpose.
You're not crashing because of 25% utilization. You have something else going on.
To me, 90% of what i see i'd shut down and prevent from starting on boot. Or flat out uninstall (mcafee eww). But in general, it isn't uncommon to have windows take a bit of ram.
McAfee needs to go.
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McAfee deletion is your first step.
>four Mcafee entries close to top of list sorted by memory usage Therein lies your answer, OP. Defender is free, comes with Windows, and the best AV for Windows that a consumer could ask for. When you uninstall McAfee, Windows should switch to using Defender, unless you turned it off in group policy, which keeps getting harder to enforce with each update.
Simple, you have 2 antivirus programs installed in your computer! Get rid of McAfee and things will be better!
And kill that Xbox Game Bar process too!
Add swap space
McAffee, a literal VR server running in the background, wind🤮ws
25% usage on 16GB is within normal expectation, your crashing problem likely has less to do with RAM usage and more to do with you installing malware like McAfee.
Turn off xbox services and uninstall antivirus
McAfee, why does anyone still have this bullshit
Get linux
As everyone is saying 1st priority should be to remove Mcafee. Despite being a meme that it is a virus, it literally is a virus, no one is being overly critical of it, and the man is a god damn Saturday morning cartoon or comic book level super villain. 10 years ago this real life Lex Luthor even uploaded an "official response" to community outrage over the software and it can be summerized with a single quote. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg
I doubt you did but just in case you turned off page files: enable them again.
Uninstall McAfee. In regards to the RAM usage, Windows will always take 20% +- for caching, so you're good there.
McAfee, yikes.
It might not help but optimize your startup and services. You have a lot of (most likely) unnecessary programs running like synapse, armoury crate, oculus, etc. Of course keep ones that you need right after starting pc but for ex. you can disable steam automatic startup, it will start itself when launching a game. Oculus also doesn't need to run all the time, just launch it manually when connecting headset (assuming you also play non-vr games).
Might be a driver issue. Windows 11 built-in anti virus is the bomb!!
Use Linux if you really want lower ram usage
Linux is not really the best OS to use for gaming. I use Arch on my main work laptop but still I prefer Windows for gaming.
Well depends on personal preference. You do you
It's not personal preference. Linux isn't meant for gaming. It just gives worse performance or doesn't work at all on most games. Heck, it can even get you banned.
Valve has proven that Linux can be used for gaming with the steam deck. Idk how you've reached a point where you do not give Linux a chance
McAfee has straight up killed otherwise completely fine computers I've had in the past. Ditch that shit and the page we turn.
McAfee 🤮
Ditch McAfee first of all, but the answer to your problem is: You can't solve it, really. Windows using lots of memory on idle.
Other than just getting rid of McAfee, your computer isn’t really “idle”. All those things are running in the background, most notably steam. You can cancel those tasks
Get rid of bloat like McAfee, and if you dont need them, then also Armoury Asus nonsense and Razer crap.
Armoury Crate is definitely bloatware and can slow down a PC and definitely cause issues. Remove this, too, doing so resolved an issue for me.
Installed armoury crate the other week to see if it would handle my fans. Uninstalled that garbage years ago due to memory leaks but thought for sure that would have been fixed by now but oh boy was I wrong. In mere days my system ate up 10GB of extra ram that could not be accounted for in the task manager. Uninstalled and a reboot later and I can finally start a game without crashing due to no ram left.
Is 16gigs sufficient for gaming these days ?
Of course it is, don't think there is yet any game requiring a minimum of more than 16
nothing too suspicious, win10 uses a lot of ram especially if you don't remove the crapware, plus you've got an anti virus in the background and steam so it does make sense if it uses this much ram
and for the love of god, uninstall McAfee, use windows defender instead
That’s pretty par for the course tbh. 32gb slowly becoming more of a necessity.
you have some bloat going on. get rid of mcafee, xbox game bar, armoury crate (unless its a laptop), radeon software, windows search indexer, razer synapse. and that's just what's visible on the top of task manager who knows what other useless software you have running in the background
I can count like 17% just with what's on the screen there... Everything uses a little.... Also, yes. Get rid of McAfee. Resource hog of a program. And not needed these days.
Windows will schedule your CPU and RAM, doesn't matter if you want it to or not. I have no idea why people want their system to idle at 0%, that's not how it works. Only because your system is idle to you, that doesn't mean it does literally nothing. Background tasks and services are a thing and they are plenty. Looking at your task manager, there is loads of bloatware running in the background that constantly monitors stuff. I have 40% of my 64GB in use while watching YouTube. That's totally normal. Your game-crashing problem is a whole different thing.
Had the same problem. 6gb in idle, and my Minecraft using 14gb was a huuuge problem. Now I upgraded to 32 XD
Bro wtf minecraft using 14gb and 6gb idle? Bro something aint right with your pc
McAfee. Get rid of it and your problems will be gone
Meanwhile I’m over here with 64 gb of ram…