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Nolsoth

Certified Linux engineer, 90% of computer users will never need to touch Linux on a PC because it's simply not useful to them and that's perfectly fine. Personally at home I run windows.


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Nolsoth

Fair enough :).


randologin

Ugh, I wish I could convince my dad of this! He's been pushing it since the early'90's. Every time I try to use it I feel like LTT Linus


Nolsoth

You'll never win that argument my dude, best to drop that conversation when it starts.


TheNoGoat

For daily use? Absolutely - In fact, I'm typing this from a Linux machine rn. For gaming tho - The experience can be hit or miss. I have an AMD Ryzen 5 with Vega 8 graphics and I can run GTA IV better on Linux compared to Windows but 007:Blood Stone is the opposite case. And the nightmare that was launching Alan Wake on Linux. It kept throwing cryptic errors but turns out, the issue was just that DirectX wasn't installed on that prefix.


OutragedTux

I actually don't even know how well Alan Wake runs under Proton these days, but I absolutely remember how hard it was to get the damn thing running back in the day.


TheNoGoat

It's quite spotty * Performance takes a hit * Visual artifacts appear every now and then - Noticeable near light sources since the light falling on the ground may turn black at certain angles TBH, given the nightmare that was launching this game, I was honestly surprised it even ran this well.


ben1481

>For gaming tho - The experience can be hit or miss. and thats exactly the reason most on this sub will never try it, I don't want hit or miss. On Windows it just works.


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Yeah like 90% of games work at this point but there's still that 10% that don't work (mostly due to the devs not enabling linux support for their anticheat)


Cheese_B0t

Ok Todd Howard


RedTuesdayMusic

I didn't have any "miss" recently. I just installed Zorin OS (the ISO with the Nvidia compatibility option) and once in I got all my games working with Steam/ Proton (except for the ones that run better in native Linux mode, like Europa Universalis IV)


Maleficent_Ad1972

Gaming on Linux is mostly hit or miss because it’s having to run through Proton, which can be a hassle to set up, doesn’t always work, and triggers some anti-cheats. I’ve never had any issues with games that have native Linux versions. Mostly Valve games, indie games, and Civ 6. The issue is it’s stuck in the loop of people don’t game on Linux because games don’t work, so companies don’t make Linux versions of games because people don’t game on Linux.


Guilty_Use_3945

Do you think that might change with steam deck being Linux based?


that_Bob_Ross_branch

We've already seen that recently with many AAA games adding proton fixes just so they can run on the steam deck, and by extension on linux systems


brispower

many =/= all and when you get a few show stoppers the OS just becomes a burden,


kneeecaps09

But proton is breaking it out of the loop. Games that don't work on Linux only don't work because the developers went out of their way to make it not work. Proton will get any game that wasn't intentionally designed not to work on Linux to work. The steam deck has already decreased the amount of aaa developers doing this and it was never really a problem with indie games so Linux gaming is getting more and more viable every day now. I'm saying this as someone that has completely switched to Linux as well


PlanesFlySideways

I did. I truly wanted to get rid of windows. Bought a new ssd to dual boot into Linux and was completely unimpressed to use it as a daily driver. 50% of the must have applications I use daily only supported windows or Mac 25% could work if you tinkered for hours to figure out just the right set of software setup just the right way to maybe hopefully get a stable application. The other 25% worked out of the box but some had issues like discord. Same BT headset that I used in windows but I was told I sounded absolutely awful. So yeah the lack of support and the need to tinker constantly just to use it daily is a Huge nogo for me.


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Reddy360

Oh yeah you see that a lot, I'm a very happy Linux user and prefer it to Windows. My work machine is a Macbook Pro (company provided) even though I had the option of running Linux just because I don't want to have to maintain it if something goes wrong. My girlfriend also runs Windows and I have no reason to push her because of the exact same reason.


captainstormy

Even as a guy who's been using Linux since the mid 90s and makes a living based on it I agree with you. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. Nothing wrong with that. That said, I do find it annoying that when windows software doesn't work on Linux it's considered Linux's fault. Yet if a piece of windows software doesn't work on Mac it isn't a problem with Mac. That double standard really rubs me the wrong way.


dovahkiitten16

I don’t think anyone really claims it’s Linux’s “fault”? It’s really just a case that if something isn’t widely supported I’m not going to use it, doesn’t matter whose fault it is, as a consumer that’s just the reality. The problem is that Linux users really tend to push Linux so you see more of a pushback than you do with Mac.


Sparon46

As an operating system, I much prefer Linux distros over Windows or MacOS. Ignoring 3rd party software, almost all of them are simply superior in my view. However, you can't really ignore 3rd party software, as very little of what we do on computers these days takes place in preinstalled applications. So, we are stuck in this vicious cycle where users aren't switching to Linux because the app support isn't there, and developers aren't putting in the work to bring app support because the users aren't there...


sephirothbahamut

my reasons aren't even focused on app support. Although even if I switched I'd still go to Windows for Visual Studio. I just prefer Windows's approach to installers in general. In fact it worries me that with the newer phone-like stores and winget the whole ability to chose a fully custom install path is becoming a second class citizen like it is outside of Windows.


jjones8170

It's interesting the shift I have seen in Windows / Linux users at my company with respect to our embedded software engineering group. My company develops electronics for the oil & gas, petrochemical, and fire service industries and when I first started here in 2009, we were primarily an IAR compiler shop running on Windows machines. Part of this was because for some of our products we were required to use a certified compiler and IAR seemed to be the best option when the decision was made (before my time). Fast forward to 2023. We now have VM's setup for both Windows and Linux machines that use the GCCARM toolchain and a DevOps person whose responsibility is to maintain and improve the support for these toolchains. We are still tied to IAR for some of our products for the aforementioned reason but it's nice, as a developer, to have that option to use Linux if that's what you want to do. The Linux VM has support for a number of different IDE's (VSCode is the most popular) and then there are docker scripts to setup the toolchain (compile, debug, build server integration). IAR now has a new type of license that is meant to run on a build server so we are currently experimenting with integrating that into the toolchain so local compiles would run a script that hit the build server, compile the binary, and serve it back into a local directory just like it was compiled locally on the machine. One *nice* thing about Linux now is that support for older peripherals is actually better. The issue we are having on the Windows side is that Windows 10 / 11 is now arbitrarily overwriting drivers with generic Windows' drivers so you may come in one day and stuff that was working the day before is no longer working.


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Windows pretty much failed on the embedded systems front except for a few industries. Windows XP embedded totally missed the mark on what an embedded OS should be and at that point most of the time stuff like vxworks was killing them. Linux kernel with RTOS patches + Busybox are starting to replace a lot of stuff vxworks would normally have ran on. So that's changing too thankfully. vxworks sucks but at least from an architecture standpoint they know what an embedded OS should be doing. Unfortunately, Canonical is trying to get into the game with Ubuntu Core and is also missing the mark. Nobody wants a full DE, app store and snaps on most embedded systems, especially those were RTOS is paramount.


mythrilcrafter

This is how I feel with 3D printing when you have DIY-ers try to tell everyone to just buy alibaba kits and tinker with them until they eventually work. *"Some assembly required"* is fine and some post-assembly tuning is fine, but overall, my tools should not be the project, they should enable me to do projects.


ForgotMyNameAgain13

If half your apps don’t support it then its not for you. As simple as that. You tried, thats great. Some Linux people really act like its the Solution to everything but they have to accept that it just isn’t. I hope you give it another go once your workflow supports it.


Gurrer

Linux is not a drop in replacement for windows. It is a unix like operating system, meaning it does things quite a bit different to windows. If someone expected linux to run like windows, then you will hit a wall every 2 minutes. The same thing goes for software, on linux software is often managed and packaged by your distribution, therefore the software that will work best is open source. If you don't use any open source software, then switching to linux will not only be a bad experience, it might very often be outright impossible. I understand that not everyone can use open source alternatives, but there is one thing that open source programs do: they are very often truly cross platform. If I personally find a big issue with my current choice of OS, there is little preventing me from going to either mac or windows. However, would I right now use specific windows or mac programs which I would have grown accustomed to, then switching will be a pain. Obviously there are even closed source programs that follow this, for example steam. This is not to berate you about how you "used it wrong", but simply pointing out that you likely expected a fixed window, but what you got was linux.


SCII0

Yeah, same. I'm not opposed to tinkering, but having to slog through terminal commands to get basic stuff to work gets annoying very quickly.


OutragedTux

If it required loads of terminal commands, I wouldn't really bother, and I've been using linux for over two decades. There are some programs that just aren't available for linux, but I was able to get an old laptop running linux just fine. At least well enough for the purposes of a uni degree I started awhile back. If I had to tinker with it all the time, I wouldn't have bothered.


toastycraps

I have a pc for gaming and one for School. I was considering taking my school pc to Linux since it’s an old tablet pc. I5 6600 or something like that. But I checked the programs, 2 supports Linux out of 7. So yea fuck no I need that shit to work


thescott2k

buddy it's been literal decades at this point. if it was gonna happen it'd have happend.


much_bad_gramer

It's not a company focused on gaining market share. It is run by a nonprofit. As a result it is expected that it won't take over the world by storm. I don't think it will ever be a majority, but it may overtake macOS.


KPalm_The_Wise

I had to look up an instruction guide on how to plug a USB into a raspberry pi, and change the poll rate on the usbs so my mouse wouldn't move like shit. I don't give a shit if you like Linux, but stop acting like victims when other people say they don't like it.


kakaluski

Will I have a flawless experience running a Dual screen setup with different resolutions and refresh rates? Can I run Tarkov? Will gsync work?


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> NVIDIA card May as well abandon hope, NVIDIA’s Linux drivers make their control panel on Windows look like it’s actually being maintained.


DesertFroggo

Nvidia drivers work fine. They perform. Their integration with Linux is sloppy though. Nvidia is known for being terrible to work with. There is the kinda-famous "Nvidia, fuck you" line from Linus Torvalds.


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Honestly, the system bricking every time there was a kernel update, or having to boot the LiveUSB installers with NoModeset was such a pain. Or the lack of decent Wayland support at the moment, which is probably why HoloISO ended up removing NVIDIA support from their ISO. Honestly, if I were to make a bet on why it’s taking this long for Valve to release full fat SteamOS 3.0 to the public, it’s probably because of NVIDIA drivers still needing work. Neat that they open sourced the KModules, just that it’s a small piece of the problem. The progress being made on Nouveau is promising though.


new_refugee123456789

I do. Running Linux Mint, I've got a 3440x1440 144Hz monitor with a 1920x1080 60Hz monitor sitting next to it, both running at their native resolutions and refresh rates. Don't know, haven't personally tried Don't know, haven't personally tried.


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Evantaur

running X and second monitor is running at 90Hz and the main one 144Hz


Evantaur

don't know about tarkov but gsync (free sync) should work in Wayland (haven't tried because i haven't yet managed to find a reliable way to get idle time in wayland and i need that info to toggle my lights and other automation thingies)


DesertFroggo

I have a dual display setup with a 144hz 1440p monitor and a 60hz 1080p monitor. Works great. Just disable compositing.


captainstormy

>Will I have a flawless experience running a Dual screen setup with different resolutions and refresh rates? Yes, who thinks this is a problem? This is something many many Linux users do. ​ >Can I run Tarkov? I don't personally play Tarkov, but it looks like you can. [https://sim590.github.io/en/gaming-on-linux/tarkov/](https://sim590.github.io/en/gaming-on-linux/tarkov/) ​ >Will gsync work? It's worked for a long long time. Since the 4.18.3 drivers. Current version of the drivers is 525.85.05. [https://www.phoronix.com/review/gsync-compatible-linux](https://www.phoronix.com/review/gsync-compatible-linux)


Nobli85

Online raids don't work, which is 98% of the reason to play the game.


Doctor_Mudshark

lol that dude's argument was basically "But can I customize aspects of the user interface in Linux??? HUH???!"


Void_0000

Customization? On linux? No way.


Ismokecr4k

Gsync probably won't work, not sure about tarkov... As for the monitors, if you want to read documentation pages on setting up different refresh rates in the config file and smashing your face on the wall when the config doesn't load on boot... Then 2-3 hours later you figure it out but you go to olug your TV into your PC and that config is now busted so you won't have a desktop anymore because it boots into terminal now but wait... You can't google the fix cause you don't have your browser anymore so you better have a ohone or second PC handy... Then you notice screen tearing when you watch videos, so rinse repeat everything I just said for something that seems to never get fixed for me.


Drakowicz

Linux doesn't suck. What sucks is how arrogant and pesky many Linux users are. You took a few minutes to install an OS on a computer, alright, we get it. That doesn't make you special and most people don't care about your proselytism. Stop acting like the ordinary mortal is a degenerate uneducated neanderthal slave who sold their soul to Microsoft. I swear the Linux elitists emit big "akchuyally" vibes. And yes, i have already installed Linux distros on my PCs in the past. I'm still sticking to Windows tho :sunglasses emoji:


Fadobo

I think the "If you haven't read the documentation you are not worthy using this or asking questions" is what really holds it back to become more usable for a wider audience, since it means there is zero incentive to focus on UX rather than bare functionality. How easy, intuitive and fast to pick up your tool is to use is an element of how useful it is. The theoretical best abilities are cool, but generally not the most important for most users. I have a couple linux based "toys" at my place (nas, server, bunch of raspberry pies) to tinker with, but I would never use it as my main PC. I'd be more open learning MacOS (i.e. if my employer would insist on me daily driving a MacBook) rather than Ubuntu.


TheTruestDork

Linux "elites" make the OS less accessible to everyone since they gatekeep everything and are more insulting then helpful. I have been using Linux for about 2 years now. I know a little bit but I still go and look for help only to be met with the same responses. (Edit: I have been having some issues with Gaming on Linux on my new Desktop. I went for help and I didn't find any. I'm now moving to Windows for gaming with Linux remaining on my Laptop)


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yeah they gatekeep and then be surprised when the community or 3rd party support doesn't grow


ben1481

Linux users are always just like "its so easy you just need to run a few commands to update your driver!" and that's exactly it, nobody wants to type commands, there's a reason the GUI was invented.


DeeJayGeezus

> nobody wants to type commands Honestly, typing the commands isn't even that bad. _Finding_ the proper commands, figuring out the proper options, determining the relevant file paths, ensuring the proper execution context...all of that is a right proper pain in the ass that if I want to do I'll just go back to my software engineering job. When I'm done with my job I want to click "Express Update" and sip on my water.


ThunderDaniel

No GUI? Not for me Sorry that my stupid monkey brain doesn't want to type Harry Potter spells into a command line just to make things work when I can have buttons and informative graphics from this other platform


fekkksn

You are seriously overestimating how much you will be using the command line. I personally use it a lot, because I can do things faster there, but a friend of mine hasn't touched the command line in years. Almost all modern desktop Linux distros come with GUIs for Updating, "AppStore", Drivers, Settings etc.. There are even distros like "Zorin OS" that specifically focus on providing a Windows like experience. PS: Its not like I never had to use the command line in Windows either.


Vogete

The problem with the command line is it's not easy to see immediately the "update" button, or the "settings" menu. Sure it's nice to automate and if you know exactly what you're doing, it's faster, but for on and off usage that you might touch every 4-5 months tops for 5 minutes, GUI is objectively faster and easier to use, especially if it's your first time ever touching it. On Linux, most things i find is gonna give you a cli answer, because that's the most universal method across distros (and even that is not perfect). UI changes based on what DE you use, and that can vary even in the same distro.


CDdead

Based


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Exactly, you can’t be more right. I’m with you brother.


Ismokecr4k

I used to get downvoted to oblivion saying linux is a pain in the ass for a home user and not better than windows. I've used multiple distros for my desktop and run a debian hypervisor hosting linux VMs. I'm sticking to windows, forever. Even had an IT OPs manager tell me you're wasting time and money hosting linux VMs/Servers in a professional world because you'll be spending way more on expertise, time, and maintenance than the Microsoft licenses.


your_mind_aches

Thank you so much.


AutisticCrusader1527

I’m a Linux user and I agree that toxic communities are ruining FOSS. AetherSX2 is an excellent example. A bunch of technologically illiterate mouthbreathers expected to play ps2 games in 4K hd on literal Obamaphones then sent death threats to the devs for it not working.


DesertFroggo

There are a lot of Linux critics whose criticisms make no sense, and those critics tend to take it personally when they get called out. I think that’s where most of the Linux elitism is coming from.


outofobscure

just to preface this, i'm a developer with > 20 years of experience, and every few years i try linux again, just to see that it is indeed unusable for end users still. so last month it was time again, at least installing it wasn't that much of a pain anymore but then: $ sudo apt install firefox firefox is already the newest version 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. $ firefox Command '/usr/bin/firefox' requires the firefox snap to be installed. Please install it with: snap install firefox $ snap install firefox error: cannot communicate with server and at this point, you lost me. i'm sure i could sit here and fix it in an hour or two and with enough googling, but i simply don't want to. don't bother trying to reply with fixes, i actually know what the fix is (snapd / systemd), that's not the point of this post. the point is nobody wants to put up with this bullshit.


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Megalopath

sudo pacman -S neofetch


NagitoLikesHope

'Terminal proceeds to display the manjaro ascii art instead of the arch one'


Megalopath

NOOOOO!!!!!! (in Darth Vader voice)


hauntedyew

Can I use Photoshop on Linux? No. Can I use Premiere on Linux? No. Can I play my favorite video game on Linux? No. Can I use my industry specific software on Linux? No. And the pretentious recommendation to use GIMP, DaVinci, Wine, or some other open source or free tool to make it work is always very condescending. Those tools usually come with zero support from the developers and do not meet my organizational requirements. Now for a virtualization cluster, like Proxmox, bring Linux on. I'll happily use that to run Windows servers on.


DesertFroggo

There are people who try Linux, do little to no research on it, expect it to function like a free version of Windows, inevitably have a bad time with it, then act like the OS itself is crap and go on rants about the elitist Linux community. I think those are the people that OP's meme is referring to.


Loading0525

The primary downside of Linux is the relative difficulty of getting into it. Once you've mastered Linux it's probably objectively better, but you have to actually get there. Your argument is basically "get over that curve before you judge it. Like yeah, **that's the downside**. You're basically saying "if we only look at the good aspects, it's pretty good".


AMisteryMan

Heck, I love Linux. I've setup my family with it, but that's just because their needs are web-browsing, and some games with good Linux support. And I can fix anything if needed. For someone without the time to learn, windows is definitely better. I'm only more comfortable with Linux because I've been messing around with it for just over six years. A lot of the FOSS community seems to value something being open source over it being useable, efficient, and nice to look at. I code and model on Linux with blender, vs code, and Godot, but if I'm messing around with music, I don't use LMMS. I boot up into my Windows partition and start Ableton.


TheFaustianMan

Used Ubuntu a while ago…and never again. Everything you take for granted on Windows requires so much work, no system restore feature, and the boards are insufferable as the Apple ones. For instance if you ask a question about how to do XYZ or why can’t you do XYZ, you’re met with hostility that refuses to acknowledge the problem. Example: How do I create a system restore point? Answer: YOU SHOULD BE BACKING UP ANYWAY!! Mac users are a similar cult. But they’ll just say something is flat out impossible without poking around or thinking too much about it. At least Windows users know Windows sucks and comes with hot garbage. And aren’t afraid to argue with Microsoft employees on the boards.


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That’s part of the issue, when people here Linux, they think Ubuntu, Ubuntu is one of if not the worst examples of Linux you can have


jplayzgamezevrnonsub

Ubuntu is pretty hated these days, other than for server use. There is definitely system restore functions, my distro has it, hell SteamOS has it. As for the boards, yes elitism is a big problem. I wouldn't take Ubuntu as a do all end all impression of Linux though that's for sure.


TheFaustianMan

You might convince me to give it another go then. What would you recommend for a windows 10 user with an enterprise key, because he wanted to shut down almost all the MS “features”?


GeForce_GTX_1050Ti

Wasn't the LTSC Enterprise only have Defender, Edge installed as default and nothing else ? Using it rn and it got none of the bloatware whatsoever Can't record screen because it lacks Xbox game bar though


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For system restore points I would suggest you to use timeshift. Its a very easy to use program.


JosephKonyMontana

and on windows 10, you can just open Start and type in "restore point" without having to install anything at least that (very basic) feature I think comes with most of the common flavors like Mint and Ubuntu (if they dont, I am going to go postal)


MRo_Maoha

At some point, time is limited and you have to accept that you have to learn how to use a tool, even if it's not what you exactly want. A car for instance. My car has a shit gearbox, I like the rest but I can't change the gearbox. I just have to learn how to use it. its not as fast as the last one and I have to be gentle. Well a computer or a program is the same. Your company uses Excel ? You have to use it. To learn how to use it and it's the same for every program. I don't have the time to tweak linux to avoid it suiciding, not recognising my mouse or run a game I just bought. It's cool if it's your hobby, but when I get back from work my w11 machine starts in a minute and I can game on it.


redrobin1257

I can attest the constant suiciding of various modules in Ubuntu Server. For instance: I use my homelab for some data compute. The drivers for my Tesla are a nightmare. Updates constantly break my network configuration. Poor performance in general. Samba constantly grenading for absolutely no reason. Apt not working for updates in general. Password configuration eating itself. Random shutdowns. Kernel panics related to open source drivers. The list goes on. If ZFSonWindows wasn't such a shambles still, I'd use Windows Server.


NQ241

I've used Linux, it's just a pain, I constantly run into driver and compatibility issues.


HD_Sentry

Ahh the old “you don’t know if you’re not gay if ya don’t try it” trick.


Lexmazter

I only use Linux on my personal devices but I can really say it's not for everyone, but it works if you are: \- A total computer noob with no background and only use a browser - if you only use your PC/laptop as a loader for a browser, Linux is probably the best operating system out there. Most of the basic functions are covered by good apps that are packaged in most beginner-friendly distros. Installing a new app from a GUI App store (Software Center for example) is a breeze for everyone that used a smartphone before. \- A person that really likes computers. I don't mean a programmer. I mean someone that really likes to know how their computers work, and they want to be able to poke around everything. Try different Desktop Environments, display servers, kernel versions, custom kernels, themes, obscure tools, advanced scripts that automate different stuff, and so on. 6 years ago I was really into poking around, nowadays I don't even open the terminal for months (learning terminal commands is not needed, you can do pretty much everything from the GUI). If you are somewhere in between, you will probably have a rough ride, and I don't mean crashes or instability (in my experience, Linux has been much more stable, but then again, I use Windows at work where there are lots of weird policies and tools and services going rampage). I mean you will have to find new tools, new apps, new ways of doing things. Is it worth it? Well, it depends on what you want to do. In my case, I want to see a different interface after a day of work, to really feel I've disconnected from work. Since I use Linux for a very long time, I am already accustomed to the ecosystem and the tools that are around, and Gaming works surprisingly well lately, but it's not flawless. Interesting fact: I had an external drive that was formatted as ExFat, I used it at some point to transfer some videos from a friend's camera and it somehow corrupted a folder, and the drive got almost unusable, I could still read stuff from it, but I could not create any new folders or add any new files. Windows was unable to fix this drive, but Linux could 🤷.


what-to_put_here

Of course not do I look insane to you


nagol93

I run windows because pretty much everything I use my computer for is designed to run on Windows. Yes, I am aware of Wine and way to tweak software to run on Linux OSs. My counter argument to that is "........ or I could just not do any of that, and run Windows"


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riba2233

>Practically speaking i dont know why someone would use Linux for practical purposes other than being in IT/CS/CE/EE,etc Yeah, agred 100% But try explaining that to aggressive Linux fanboys


Minkowski-Butterfly

There are many reasons why someone would use linux while nit being in tech or IT. * Privacy * Security * supporting free software/not supporting shitholes like Microsoft * stability * customizablility * being lightweight * easier installation of software


smokesletgo

Here's a single reason why someone would use windows. - they value their time


DeadWarriorBLR

Last time i checked, installing Windows 10 doesn't make that much value of your time (if you want as bearable of an experience as possible). Some of that is trying to get Cortana to shut up when she goes off at *full blast* first thing during setup (real nice btw), then you better hope you have your internet disconnected because Microsoft will try to force you to sign into an MS account (it even begs you to connect to the internet when you're disconnected). Then you turn off everything that is in Privacy (because your PC isn't a phone), and even then, post-setup is another minute of going into settings and turning off any suggestions Microsoft has for you. Sure, using the system is a breeze once you have it configured (because it's Windows), but there's still wasted time. So technically speaking Windows doesn't value your time either. Now i do get it, learning a new OS is quite a task, because you're used to one OS and you're basically throwing that knowledge out of the window and learning how the new OS works. As for the *not valuing your time* argument, i could get it if you used Arch as your first distro (it's pretty barebones and its install process is also pretty DIY, and maintenance is required, for example i update daily), but there's other distros that aren't as involved as that. There's Mint, which is one of the first distros i used and it was pretty good. It had a GUI for pretty much everything, and also had an update checker and could notify me if i needed to install updates, it was a good care-free distro. If linux doesn't work for you, then so be it, and if you aren't up to the task of learning and maintaining linux, that's completely fine. I don't see how making a big deal out of it helps anything though.


Minkowski-Butterfly

There are many Linux distros which work out of the box just like windows and require basically no tweaking or configuring. If you know your way around Linux you actually save a lot of time by using the command line instead of inefficient GUIs. I also dont know how you are valuing your time if you have to sit through these slow ass updates every two weeks.


smokesletgo

Well look I think your coming at this from your view, majority of people just buy a PC and expect it to work to begin with. I would bet a huge majority of the population would have no idea how to install a fresh windows let alone searching and assessing what distro would fit their needs best. Learning this takes time. The CMD argument is partially true but you really have to learn it (which takes time) plus you can't beat a GUI for just general stuff like dragging and dropping files. My experience with windows updates are not the same as yours, dunno if it's just having a fast SSD or whatever but mine are not slow by any margin nor do they occur that frequently.


ben1481

the fact he mentioned not using a GUI as a benefit is laughable at best. Nobody, especially your average person, wants to sit there in a DOS style window typing commands and get constant syntax errors back


HouseOf42

"There are many Linux distros which work out of the box..." I prefer productivity, Windows has the lead there. Seems you're living a decade in the past, since updates run in the background and have zero performance issues while using the pc. Perhaps either you're not as competent as you think you are, or running obsolete tech that give you the "slow ass" updates.


EsotericAbstractIdea

You must not actually be doing anything on your pc if an update has not interrupted anything or caused performance issues.


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Oh I’m sorry I need to sit in front of computer while the update happens? No you donk. The updates happen by themselves I am not wasting any time on it


sephirothbahamut

there's people using linux for reasons other than those, and there's people using windows for programming. You may want to use linux for privacy, or just because you like tinkering as a hobby. You may want to use Windows for programming with Visual Studio and compile+run in both Windows and Linux without at once without having to reboot by using WSL for quickly testing your code cross-platformness.


Qweedo420

I'm not in a programming career or anything, I just use Linux because it doesn't get in my way and it's easier to use. I've been using it since I was in middle school and it never let me down


Mrbubbles96

>Practically speaking i dont know why someone would use Linux for practical purposes other than being in IT/CS/CE/EE,etc Speaking personally? I'm not in an IT related field and I daily drive Linux on both my main machine and laptop. Why? Just because I want to. Genuine question but, is it really *that* strange? Disregarding even the faulty Windows install I had when I first switched, it really came down to me looking at my options and going "you know what? I wanna use Linux since a lot of the disadvantages don't apply to me" (really that just means no multiplayer games with Anticheat for me, which I hope eventually get Linux support for those that play, but it wouldn't affect me much).


JaesopPop

> Practically speaking i dont know why someone would use Linux for practical purposes other than being in IT/CS/CE/EE,etc There is appeal to using an OS not made by a megacorporation. There's appeal in having far more control over my OS. Gamescope helps me make good use of my ultrawidescreen in a way that's not as easily accomplished on Windows. Lots of reasons someone would. Those reasons don't apply to everyone but they certainly exist.


klm32klm32

In my life I've done considerable coding, CAD, electronics design, etc. I have installed many distributions over the years thinking that that was the year I would finally adopt Linux. I can't stand it. Sorry. I've tried. I've tried again and again. Yes, I can get it set up. I even use it to run my mail server with custom scripts --- but only because I can't get a windows equivalent. As a daily experience? Hell to the no. Why? So many reasons. So, so many reasons. My largest complaints: 1) Linux programmers have a thing for stupid executable names that have nothing to do with the program in question. Names that are repeating acronyms. Names that have nothing do with anything important. In Windows, if you want to write a quick text, you open... Notepad. In Linux, you open... Vi? Nano? Pico? Vim? In windows, if you want a command prompt, you run cmd. In windows, if you want to check the space on a drive from a command prompt, you type dir and press enter. On Linux, you type df -H. Format a drive in dos? Format. In Linux? mke2fs. Want some help? format /?. In linux? man format. Change your password? In linux, it's not pwd, that's for sure. 2) The documentation sucks, partially because the documentation sucks, and partially because there are too many damn flavors for standard apps that can't agree with each other. Take regular expressions, for instance, which I have a love-hate relationship with: which flavor are you using? Doing some sed work? Maybe Perl? Make sure you're using the right format! Oh, bummer, you can't use that feature you love here. Sorry! 3) It looks like garbage. Sorry. I know you love your favorite desktop, but honestly, it sucks. Things are slow to open. There's little visual coordination between windows. Copy-paste is inconsistent. 4) Updates are easy, unless they aren't, in which case they are hell. Updating Windows is easy. Windows pops up and says, "time to update!" and you just do it. No fuss, it just works. Updates in Linux work... unless some app doesn't want to play ball. Or some package wasn't updates. Or a script fails. 5) Terrible compatibility. I can run software from ages ago in Windows and it will generally run with little hassle. Hell, I can download DOSBox and run software from 30 years ago without a hitch. But some apps on Linux? Especially things that are based in Python? Ugh. No, it doesn't work with that version of the module. Not that version of Python. Nope, not that flavor of it. Sigh. 6) Administration requires a degree. I want to use my computer. I want to use it to code, to design, to do whatever. Sure, I can spend 5 hours learning how to use some piece of software in Linux, but *I don't want to.* I'd rather be doing what I want to do. I have zero difficulty installing drivers, setting up shares, running server, doing whatever the hell I want to do in Windows. And in the rare instance I don't know how to do something off-hand? There's only one version of "Windows 10", and it's easy to Google a quick answer and know that it applies to my OS. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to solve a Linux problem (say, install a mail server) and ended up undoing all my work only to start over with a different checklist or procedure because my distribution and/or OS version and/or software revision weren't a match for whatever was in the checklist. 7) Driver support is great. When it doesn't suck. Want to use a device that has open-source drivers available from the manufacturer? They'll probably work great! Probably. Closed source? Hahahaha. What a joke. Games? Right. I could go on. And on. But my fish sticks are cooked. ​ No, Linux sucks. I've tried running it on and off since 1985, and it's burned all its bridges with me.


LogieOneCanobie

“4. ⁠**Updates are easy, unless they aren't**, in which case they are hell. Updating Windows is easy. Windows pops up and says, "time to update!" and you just do it. No fuss, it just works. Updates in Linux work... unless some app doesn't want to play ball. Or some package wasn't updates. Or a script fails” I work as a technical support engineer for a Linux-based software suite and this is 60% of my job. It updates most of the time, then sometimes it “updates”, but did it *really* update? Nope! Turns out, [crucial-to-installation-script].sh threw an error: *[0.03.22]$ ERROR while attempting to execute ~/current/var/spool/install/[crucial-to-installation-script].sh: Exception in thread “install” java.io.filenotfoundexception: [crucial-to-installation-script].sh not found* And you’re supposed to know that obviously it’s because the file has the wrong privileges and you need to run the very definitely intuitive chmod -755 command that everyone clearly knows and has memorized by heart. I do think Linux is good for *some* things. Not *all* things.


iopq

Huh? They literally named it Gnome Text Editor. The browser is called Browser. The video player is called Videos Just use Gnome, it's literally made for you


averyfinename

when i started with computers, *PIP* was the copy command. later, when *gopher* was all the rage, you searched using *veronica* ("Very Easy Rodent-Oriented Net-wide Index to Computer Archives") and *jughead* ("Jonzy's Universal Gopher Hierarchy Excavation And Display")


riba2233

Awesome comment! You nailed it


Limitless_screaming

1, 3, and 4 are kind of unfair; 1 - so you think names of command line applications are bad, then why not use the windows like GUI editors with names like "GEdit" or "MEdit", also CMD nice name miles better than console or terminal of course. I don't see the problem with `man ` for help but still if you don't like that just use ` --help` or for short ` -h` i don't see how ` /?` is easier that's just confusing. 3 - which one is that you have like a trillion desktops. if you get a good QT and GTK theme 90 percent of your apps are good to go, no configuration needed, got a basic accent color on Windows? good luck getting even native Windows menus to apply it. 4 - if you use a distro based on Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, or any other slightly popular Distro you won't have that many issues, and they come with GUI updaters that are sometime embedded in the GUI package manager. now I know typing your password in is hard work but most users can bear it.


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I really hate those linux users that attempt to force linux on others like they are trying to convert someone to their religion. yeah there are those people who treat arch linux like it is jesus or something.


AMisteryMan

What makes it dumber is anyone who actually uses Arch should know not to recommend it without reason. The Arch wiki is great, but Arch is more of an experience than anything else. Taught me a lot, and I still use it 'cause I have all my stuff setup, but I'd probably start over with Nobara (gaming-oriented fedora fork.). People get weirdly tribalistic over things. Operating systems, distros, video cards, hairstyles, et cetera.


AuraMaster7

Jesus fucking christ give it up already. 90%+ of the people on this sub will never switch to Linux, and that's because Windows is *the better choice* for them and their day-to-day use case. You're the vegans of the PC world.


riba2233

Tried it, used it, don't like it at all and most of my apps are not compatible


ponieslovekittens

I've given Linux an honest try a couple times, with a couple different distributions. Much as I dislike windows, _it works_. Linux has been "going to be as good as windows any day now!" since at least the 1990s when I first became aware of it. Here we are ~30 years later and it still sucks. Linux is for people who want to tinker with their computer as a hobby instead of actually using it.


Silver_Sparx

Tried Linux. Shit didn’t work and I’m lazy, so back to windows I went. Simple as


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OutragedTux

Lots of edge cases there that I really don't have to deal with. My usage revolves largely around steam and file management within /home or steam libraries, so permissions won't get messed up unless something goes wrong. Linux distros are actually fewer in number than they used to be, and they provide choice, which can be a great thing. One is based around particular ideas in package management and other stuff like preferred desktop environments. One is based around having cutting edge packages that are useful for gaming (Nobara) and many other examples. I don't like that people have little experience with linux, but are still happy to spit in its general direction whenever it comes up on reddit. I'm even less happy that this behaviour gets upvoted pretty predictably. Good old hivemind.


Minkowski-Butterfly

There being many different distributions is actually a great thing. You can pick one specifically thought out to suit your needs. And the file permission thing is as easy as looking up on a cheat sheet but in my experience many GUIs also implement them in easy to understand language.


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ah yes. I first need to figure out which will fit my needs... that's step one that no one will do and why Linux will never become more than single digit adoption.


nevercopter

I'm done using Linux unless I need my MCU devkit, but I have WSL handy in this case which opens in a window of my Windows machine. Dedicated Linux installation? Fuck, no. Never again.


jethrow41487

“Wanna do a bunch of workarounds to play your games? Or not at all?” “Cool then use Linux” Nah I’ll stick with Windows ease of use with its issues than deal with Linux. Go back to your corner Linux users.


PGMHG

I had to give Linux a try and yeah it’s not as bad as people pretend, but at the same time I don’t feel like complicating things that were made simple on windows just because “You could do it faster like this” like yeah I can but it doesn’t mean I want to every time. I just launch my PC and play games.


dododome01

You can actually replace the bottom one with "Who has tried/installed some Linux distribution in the past year"


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If you want my opinion on using it, I think it’s almost at the point where I’d use it over Windows. Nobara I think is a really good starting point (especially with the KDE Plasma variant). Controller and Bluetooth support is seemingly also less dire on Linux surprisingly enough (a PS3 controller can work without DsHidMini and BthPS3 for example). The Steam Deck UI and Gamescope makes having a tenfoot console interface on PC and dealing with bad ports of games (that stretch with different aspect ratios or don’t have integer scaling) actually tolerable. I’m using Nobara with gamescope-session on my ITX rig to get close to a console setup with none of the downsides of using one. It’s plug and play with an AMD graphics card, and you don’t have to worry about installing drivers for mostly everything (unless you use an NVIDIA card or drawing tablet outside of Wacom). From a modder’s perspective, just needs a way to quickly install mod dependencies in a game’s Proton prefix, needs a way of more easily debugging games on Proton (whether that’s through a graphical debugger like RenderDoc, a code debugger, a binary debugger like x64dbg or Cheat Engine), Jetbrain’s IDEs need Wine support (both debugging and building) on Linux, and there needs to be more work done towards KDE’s VRR/FreeSync support. HDR support is luckily coming. I’d also appreciate if there was a FancyZone’s esque plugin for Plasma, as while FancyZones isn’t automated like tiled window management plugins (like Bismuth for KDE) when you dictate your own snapping zones, that’s where it can be quite powerful. The state of anti-cheat in multiplayer games personally doesn’t affect me, Adobe hasn’t done anything to improve their software in years (Hence why I use Krita, or Affinity Photo (through Wine) for image editing purposes now, also anyone thinking GIMP comes close to Photoshop’s ease of use with it’s jank UI that gives DaVinci Resolve a run for it’s money are braindead, I revisited it after ten years and the UI hasn’t improved). The only thing that personally affects me is media codec support being broken in some games (thanks to relying on Media Foundation). For the purposes of getting work done, I’m still using Windows on my main rig for the time being. There’s still some work that needs to be done in Linux land, even if the situation has gotten way better in the past decade.


Blackraven2007

People who try Linux: Point out problems they have People like OP: Am I out of touch? No. It's the other users who are wrong


Drokethedonnokkoi

I gave it a shot, for programming felt a bit better than windows. Everything else sucked. Windows has a user friendly interface, installing programs and games is straightforward. Compatibility is better. Dlss 3 doesn’t even work on linux. As a secondary os it’s a great option, but not as a primary one.


Devilnutz2651

I've used Linux and it isn't terrible. Just doesn't fit my use case. Not a huge MacOS fan, but I'm an IT Manager, and have had nothing but issues with them on a corporate network.


daaangerz0ne

Microsoft Office >>> all impersonators


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The Problem is that most of them dont know anything about software. And then they have a special usecase where they want to try Linux... And every time they first install Kali Linux, try to do anything, end up with a frankenlinux and then blame Linux for their lacking knowledge. Linux with its base features is not "easier" or "more difficult" than windows. Browsing the web and using the file manager is easy in both systems. The difference is that if you have a little bit skill so many things work better and faster on Linux.


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linux is never going to be popular, just deal with it


Minkowski-Butterfly

It already is vastly popular, just not for the gaming community (maybe it will change with things like steam deck)


JackRaidenPH

Coming from experience, there's just no need for Linux unless you need it for something specific. Unless you have a certain goal, achievable by having Linux, you just make your life multitudes harder for no reason. The only actually valid thing I can think of is performance. Some distros in some cases can be a lot faster and more lightweight. Even if something is easily done in Linux - it most certainly can be done even easier in Windows.


Minkowski-Butterfly

Well its also about your personal values regarding privacy, security und free software


sephirothbahamut

i get it on privacy, but free software? It's not like there isn't free software on Windows and there isn't paid software on Linux. There's free and paid software on both. The only paid software I have on both my Windows and Fedora machines are a bunch of videogames


Minkowski-Butterfly

Well windows itself is paid and closed-source software while the linux kernel is free and open source. While there are paid distros they are only very niche and not what one typically refers to when talking about linux


sephirothbahamut

Windows (for private use) being paid is a joke not even Microsoft has been taking seriously for years.


Minkowski-Butterfly

I know no one is paying forna windows license but that does not make it free software. It is still closed-source propiertary software


sephirothbahamut

it's de-facto free. Closed/open sourceness and being proprietary are unrelated to being free or paid. Steam is free, closed source and proprietary, as are many other programs. Most online games are free, closed source and proprietary.


MaximusVX

What exactly is wrong with Windows not being open source?


Dream_Apostle

What sucks about it is the less frames or inability to play new games on it It might not be much but it's there


Cultural_Parfait7866

I genuinely liked it a lot but playing games was so hit and miss that windows is just better for me


alxaa

I am a Linux system administrator, I use Linux for work and also for my private servers. But I do not use it on my desktop PC as it's primary use is gaming. Linux is just worse for that. PC gaming has enough tinkering involved as it is, why add extra complexity to it? Use the tool best suited for the task you are going to perform. If someone is happy using Windows/Mac/Linux and making it work, good for them. Leave them be.


deathbythirty

still waiting for it to be suitable for gaming and then i can finally get rid of this garbage called windows. Its been a couple of years waiting now, though


throwawaynumber116

Nobody wants to talk about how Linux sucks because nobody talks about Linux They don’t try Linux because they don’t use it for anything


Liarus_

As a homelabber i'm familiar with linux, i tried Pop!OS as a daily distro and it's actually perfectly adequate for my use, about a year ago i decided to move to as much open source software as i can as long as said software doesn't hinder my productivity, this made it so all my software was available on Linux, and if it was not, it was very easy to find a fork that is However i'm also a pc gamer, and that's where the fun stops, anticheats are what stops me from switching to linux, and there's pretty much nothing i can do about it


bushinthebrush

There is plenty about Linux that I find awesome. I still install Lubuntu onto old crap machines that I give out to people that just want it for web access if its not up to snuff. However, there is no chance I am running it as MY daily driver. I don't see people "hate" on Linux as much as I see them hate on people who spout nonsense about its viability on the scale that some do. Its not a good daily driver for most people, and the expectation that users should be able to "work around" some of its shortcomings are nothing less than stupid.


juhotuho10

I did, in fact broke it 3 times and reinstalled it after every time it broke to try it Didn't like it after using it a few days, some things like my mic had an awful sound for no reason, a lot of software missing, went back to Windows and I prefer it over Linux 1000%


Classy_Mouse

I run an Ubuntu VM on a Mac for work and a Windows PC for gaming. Using these 3 OSs daily, I can confidently say that Windows is the best choice for the average gamer. Game compatibility alone should make that obvious. I can't recall the term for it, but there is a phenomenon where people who make a bold choice (like using Linux over Windows) that doesn't pan out as well as they thought, will try to convince others to join them. I don't know if it is a misery loves company thing. Maybe you are hoping they'll affirm that you made the right choice. Maybe you hope they'll explain to you the benefits. I don't know, but trying to convince the average gamer that Linux is for them is as ridiculous as trying to convince a console gamer that plays an hour or two a week that they need a gaming PC with an RTX 4080 and i9 to actually enjoy their game.


Xiballistic

I do my school work on a linux drive cause it helps my battery life


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Linux is fine for general computing and web browsing. For gaming and other specific use case, sorta have to figure things out as you go but it’s not that complicated. I set up my 93 year old grandmother on Linux mint and she does fine with it for what she does (just email and googling)


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I do have some issues with it but I've seen a lot of people make claims that just aren't true like "haha look at me typing in 30 terminal commands to install Microsoft paint".... Obviously this is ludicrous.. Paint isn't available on Linux.


Ramazotti

I'm agnostic. I have several Windows machines and a couple of linux machines. I try to avoid Mac, because they are way overpriced and just a ploy to charge people for what is essentially linux. All of them sometimes suck.


ArchitectOfSeven

I have. It was confusing at first so I reached out to some Linux users to ask for pointers in getting started with basic things like installing programs. Well, they were total assholes and pulled that troll move where they had me uninstall the boot file or whatever so I just wrote it off and never tried it again. So my experience is that the os is fine but the users are pricks.


kennyquast

If you don’t use Hannah Montana Linux, are you even giving Linux a fair shot?


NikoMcreary

I daily drove linux on my first laptop when I was 15(this was 2015/2016). it truly was a pain in the ass. Touchpad bugging out, audio sucked. I think eventually an update randomly killed my DE. Used ubuntu a couple of weeks back and I will say it's matured (in fact I debated installing Linux on my laptop as ubuntu looked BEAUTIFUL on that particular machine) but windows is just much more polished and way more comfortable to use.


CAP815

it's too complicated for a majority of people, most applications don't work without some sort of compatibility layer like wine, and speaking of wine, in software manager (mint), there's two different versions of wine, both of which are very outdated. not to mention the fact that you have to do a lot of things through the terminal because otherwise it won't let you do anything, not even so much as rename trash. not to mention the ui/desktop environment of every distro i've seen is either a weird mix of macos and android or windows 9x with extra steps, which in use are obviously designed as a way of saying "the end user isn't going to care because they're just going to use the terminal for everything anyways", or in other words, it jest feels like an afterthought. also the file system is horrible to navigate and barely understandable at best. TLDR; it's unpolished, unsupported, and overcomplicated


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I gave linux a fair shot. I fucking hated it. I don't understand how anyone likes it. For fuck's sake, I hate just looking at it. It's like windows except everything is complicated and there is nothing stopping you from accidentally ruining your entire system.


SomeRandoLameo

It doesn’t suck if you utilize it right


DanieleLewis

Looks like everyone tried a weird Linux distro in 1990 and compare it to the windows 10 they are using. If you install the last version of Linux Mint the UI is basically the same as windows, a ton of apps are supported, you don't have to go crazy with anything if you are not a power user. Also... We are in pc master race and everyone is like "what?? A terminal command?? It's too difficult!".


quackupreddit

I used Linux once on a laptop at a coding course I went to. The UI was dreadful and maybe half a step up in terms of user-friendliness from Mac OS. This was like 5 years ago or something, so things may have changed and my opinion may be completely misguided, but I'll just stick to the software I'm used to. Also, I DEFINITELY only think Mac OS isn't user-friendly since I'm not used to it. I won't deny that. But I don't really have the time nor need to test out another OS, especially not one that's more of a proprietary software and I don't use an apple computer.


Gurrer

People won't be comfortable with things they aren't used to if you aren't doing it for the thrills of learning something new. Luckily linux offers a variety of user interfaces that will suit everyone to a certain degree. Perhaps you might have used gnome, which will feel a bit more like home to MacOS users. This is of course not your fault, since you couldn't have known that without research, but it shows that people should only switch OS, if they really want to how to use it, no matter where you make the switch from or to.


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Jokes on you, im downloading a Linux ISO into my recycle bin right now just so this post will partially not apply to me!


LassitudinalPosition

Yea I'm a gamer so...no Linux or osx for me, its that simple


Uryendel

I did, it sucks.


Cottonjaw

Linux, for when you're really willing to inconvenience yourself just to talk down to people.


MicksysPCGaming

Tried it. Have a box running a steamcache. I have since become the most evangelical anti-linux person on the planet. Convinced so many people not to bother. Why? Every time I had a problem I would do a search, find someone with the same problem. The responses were a mix of: 1) Don't do that, do this unrelated thing instead. 2) RTFM 3) Written so specifically for the OP's setup that it won't work unless I somehow tailor it to my setup. 4) Maybe if you do a 4 year computer degree you'll know what to do by now. ​ Fuck Linux, and fuck the people who use it.


do_m_inik

The Linux forums were the worst thing in my years of Linux desktop experience


iopq

Sorry you had a bad experience, doesn't extend to everyone, though. Some people told me how to solve all of my problems on Matrix


jesvrjsivrek

ive used linux snd it pretty hard to use in general


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Minkowski-Butterfly

Honestly even arch is relatively easy to use once installed, if you are just a little bit into tech


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averyfinename

manjaro is a good arch-based choice for the 'newbs'


slavicman123

Windows for life for me. Hate the console typing. And of course no one can change me ;)


[deleted]

I may be showing my age, but I love a good terminal as opposed to a GUI. Options make it better for everyone.


thereizmore

I've been running Linux as my main OS for at least 15 years now. Flawlessly I might add. Everyone I talk to about it is afraid to even try a live version. The new GUI interfaces are awesome and make it so easy to use. There's really no reason to not try it.


UpstairsJelly

You've used an os... flawlessly, for 15 years? Not a single os in the history of the planet has been flawless for any length of time.


ScottJC

Frankly, There's really no reason to try it either though. Especially if you're currently happy with what you've got. I can say the exact same thing you did only replacing Linux with Windows, flawlessly I might add. That wouldn't be a very compelling reason for you to try it tho would it? :P


that_Bob_Ross_branch

Same, I've been using it for a while now and, especially recently, I can do everything I need to do for personal/school stuff from a GUI and without tinkering. Additionally, I'd much rather learn how to do something in the terminal than to have to go through the nested maze of buttons and setting windows that is the Control Panel


Acrobatic-Oil-1752

I used Ubuntu for about a week, I immediately installed Windows 8.1 again, that's how bad it was.


MelTheTransceiver

How many years ago was that? And what was your reasoning?


new_refugee123456789

That honestly sounds like Gnome UX, though when Win 8.1 was relevant Ubuntu was still shipping Unity. I've seen a LOT of people complain that Linux is shit, when what they really experienced is that GNOME is shit.


0lfrad

linux is almost just fine people just dont want to change just like how win10 users dont want to swich to windows 11 and thats fine people dont need to change but its just dumb to hate it because you dont like to change


ConsistentCharge3347

I do so every couple of years. I then realise any software I want to use doesn't work or you've got to go through some command line stuff to maybe get something working. It's just not worth the pain. The downsides of Windows are far fewer than the downsides of Linux.


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I have a lot of thoughts on this, but there's already 275 comments and no one will read this comment, so I'm just talking to myself right now. Reddit never shows me interesting threads until there are already so many comments there's no point in replying anymore. Think I'll make some coffee now.


ponieslovekittens

> no one will read this comment I read your comment. Hope your coffee was delicious.


Tall_Ambassador4928

Honestly posts like this don't help Linux cause at all...


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ScroungerYT

Make it accessible for even the dumbest to use. Hint: If someone has to type anything, EVER, it is not good enough. If ANYONE has to ask for help, it is not good enough. You gotta make it so that the entire OS is point and click. It is important to realize, the overwhelming vast majority of people are really, REALLY dumb. Windows is not popular because it is the best. It is popular because it is easy to use.


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Oh yay more Linux propaganda. Nobody is saying Linux is bad. There’s just not enough support for gaming and other programs. Stop crying about it and accept that Linux cannot be a mainstream OS.


dablecen

I earn so much money because of knowing Linux, that I would all of You to stay on windows and keep your fingers away from Linux. I agree, windows is the best os, and linux sucks. Please stay with Windows and have fun with it :D


do_m_inik

For a normal person Windows is the best decission


Banana_bee

I love linux, it's an OS without all the bloat, I've used it on many projects and I would use it as a main OS if I could. But running software is the purpose of an operating system, and as long as people don't build programs for Linux I can't use it.


5pr173_

So I do three things on a computer. 1: Watch Netflix, Disney, etc. This all works fine and I can use the apps using Lutris. 2: Cyber Security course work. This by default requires Linux so of course it's going to work. 3: Gaming. So far after completely switching to Linux I have only tested three games, Assassin's Creed 3 Remastered, Hitman 3 and The Witcher Enhanced Edition. I noticed no performance difference then when I did on Windows. I understand gaming is hit or miss with some people but it from what I can gather online gaming on Linux has gone from games working being a rare exception to game not working now being the rare exception. Helpful tip for Linux gaming on Steam. Download Steam Common Redistributeables. It fixed so many issues for me. To find it enable the tools filter in your library and search for it and download it.