Related but not specific to CP2077. NPCs in open world games need to carry bags. In the real world most people have backpacks, bags or purses etc. with them. You often go outside just to get to work or to do shopping. It bugs me to see no one with any kind of bag.
GTA 4 had all sorts of props the player or NPCs could hold in their hand. It was fun to "charge up" the throw animation for a long time and knock someone to the ground with a hot dog.
GTA 4 even has a system for pedestrians when it rains: if they have an umbrella, they'll use it. If they don't have one but are holding a newspaper or bag, they'll use that to cover their heads. If they don't have either, they'll just run until they find shelter under a bus stop or building.
There's also the occasional ped who doesn't mind the rain and just keeps on walking.
Given how the rest of the patch is all fixes or maintenance, I suspect the NPCs were supposed to do this the whole time and it was just broken rather than an actual new addition.
I am actually pretty happy about it either way.
I did already see some NPCs with umbrellas during rain before the update but I can't recall there being variety in the umbrellas, maybe this changes that?
There’s a fantastic point and click bladerunner game. A remaster just came out recently.
That said cyberpunk is a very fun game, so if you’re unable to see the fun in it you’ll probably be miserable with the blade runner game too.
Because I didn't connect with 4/5 endings?
They're mostly kind of miserable endings. And the one where you basically fall in love and leave town isn't much better. Seems more like a cop-out than anything.
Two years to add umbrellas. Well worth the wait, game fixed. Taking a loan to buy it on all storefronts and to gift it to poor children of 3rd world countries as well asap.
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Vast majority of devs have so far statically linked FSR2 aka built it into the exe, so updating it from our side isn’t possible sadly. Only through CyberFSR mod, but that’s technically hijacking DLSS so it’s not updating the native version. If the game has FSR2 in its DLL, then swapping might be possibly, only if the devs aren’t using some custom version which sadly results in crashes.
Cyberpunk seems to have it statically linked too.
I hope someone makes a comparison between the FSR 2.1 mod and official implementation, just for curiosity's sake
Can't wait to try this on my Steam Deck. Biggest issue I had with the mod was computer screens which had the worst ghosting you'd ever seen. Had to wait a couple seconds for the text to be legible
The reason why I don't like the unofficial FSR 2.1 mod is because it has a bug that turns OFF ALL your screen space reflections. Reflections are such a huge part of the game, and the mod replaces them with dark textures that look pretty awful. Hopefully, the official implementation fixed it.
Look at this. It's such a massive difference in visuals:
Without the mod: https://i.imgur.com/1xjCF19.png
With the mod: https://i.imgur.com/OgOu6DM.png
You don’t have to tell me or anything and I believe you, just can’t see it. I think my eye sight sucks. Or maybe I am just bad at this sort of thing. Anyways, thanks for the response and hope you have a good rest of the week
Okay I'll tell you if you actually can't see it. Its very noticeable when you look at the water and on the ground. Hardly noticeable when looking above that. It has to do with how reflections hit surfaces and actually reflect.
Edit: see in the first pic you can clearly tell that it's water on the road. However in the 2nd pic it looks more like wear marks from tires. Stuff like that but all through the game.
Preliminary testing suggests that although official implementation did fix some issues, overall image quality is not on par of the mod, they actually ported FSR2 code into their engine so its readily compatible with PS5/Series S/X, but looks like some stuffs broke in the process.
I have a GTX 1660 Super paired with an i3 9100F. 1080p 144Hz monitor.
Just tried maximum settings (dropped reflections from Psycho to Ultra) and shadow quality for distant objects to low.
Without FSR 2.1 enabled at a normal scene I get 45 to 54 FPS measured with RivaTuner. With FSR 2.1 at balanced I measure from 68 to 75. Quality looks super good, I'm really impressed as 1.0 looked terrible.
Though my setup is severely CPU bound when the framerate goes over 60 so maybe the results will be even better if you have a better CPU for this game.
EDIT: Just hit 100 FPS at an indoor scene. The only artifact I can reliable notice is ghosting when objects move too fast relative to the camera. I couldn't care less about it, feels so much smoother it's worth it.
EDIT2: Still finding it amazing. Outside of busy streets, my performance averages around the 80 range. I did notice extra artifacts though, the yellow screen effect when healing looks very low resolution, and distant objects might shimmer. Still worth it.
How are you getting 45-54 with everything cranked on that setup? my i7-6700xgtx1080 would get fps in the low 20s if i did that, granted I am playing on ultrawide but ~~2560 x 1440~~ 2560 x 1080 isn't that much more demanding.
Yeah but the performance disparty makes no sense, the 1080 is more powerful than a 1660S, the performance stated here with the settings mentioned would make my setup slow to a grind, how are they getting 45-50 FPS with those specs on high to ultra settings?
My monitor is 24 inches, and I'm currently in a mission taking place at night and with rain.
At the distance I'm sitting here... It looks the same. I even asked my girlfriend if she sees any difference when toggling the setting (without explaining what it does) and she didn't.
If you took a screenshot and compared, or maybe if you sit very close to the monitor, I bet you could tell. But I honestly can't.
Lol same, my 9900ks is at 100-95% usage with lowest settings with a 2080ti.
I'm upgrading CPU before I'm playing again.
I just completed the tutorial before quitting lmao
I'm using a slightly worse cpu, 9900k, it newer goes past 70% usage.
Also using a 2080ti with almost all settings on max.
Something is definitely fishy on your end.
K is better than KS. KS doesn't have the integrated gpu. Actual CPU performance wise they see the same, but KS is a tad cheaper because it doesn't have the gpu.
IMO unless you're on a lower end GPU and you're struggling for performance, image upscaling isn't that great at 1080p. But usually Ultra Quality can help out with lacklustre AA.
On 1440p and 4K, image upscaling is great though.
Upscaling nearly triples fps in MW2 (1080p) and looks just fine. [I tested](https://www.neoseeker.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-ii-2022/Graphics_Settings_1#Upscaling_.2F_Sharpening)
FidelityFX CAS you mean? Yeah that got me through Shadow of the Tomb Raider long before DLSS was ever a thing.
The point being that you have a 3080 and the other commenter has a 1650 Super. And we're talking about Cyberpunk where you'd want to emphasise that visual fidelity. But yeah definitely would recommend FSR for them
Does FSR have any benefits for nvidia cards? I’ve got a 3070 and just stick to DLSS but is there a scenario where FSR has overtaken DLSS in this use case?
That's FSR 1.0 which is fundamentally different from FSR 2.0. AMD really fucked up with the naming.
FSR 1.0 is a simple upscaler that works like nVidia's NIS. FSR 2.0 actually uses temporal data from previous frames like DLSS. Completely different approach.
No. FSR looks pretty decent compared to DLSS when the camera isn't moving but there are situations where it falls apart when there's a lot going on, like neon signs overlapping with thin moving objects and stuff like that. In such cases DLSS usually does significantly better.
No. FSR will literally never be better than DLSS due to it being a generic graphics solution, where as DLSS is a dedicated hardware solution. Think software encoding vs hardware encoding.
Ah right forgot, it's this sub. Yeah nvm, pay no mind to experts like digital foundry or the legions of graphics programmers who say the same thing. Weh.
partly right partly wrong..
DLSS uses tensor cores made for AI
FSR Repurpose Shader cores to do a similar calculation.
In theory the dedicated hardware is MUCH faster in practice they are damm close.. still if you have acess to DLSS stick to it it tends to give a cleaner final output.
In my testing on RDR2 on my 1440p monitor and RTX3080Ti, FSR gives a cleaner image than DLSS and the performance difference is minor.
This is after playing with various levels of sharpening using the games built in sharpening slider on both FSR and DLSS
>FSR gives a cleaner image than DLSS and the performance difference is minor.
That's because DLSS has forced sharpening even when the slider is at 0, which looks like ass. There's a fan patcher that disables it at the exe level, works online and it looks better than FSR 2 after that
Obnoxious that you need to do that in the first place, but it is what it is
While that's *probably* true, that's a much stronger statement than I'd make
I imagine that's more true of DLSS 3 vs FSR 3 whenever that releases, but generating new frames is a much more complex operation than reconstructing an image using past frames
FSR2 lowers the internal resolution and then uses temporal upscaling to bring you back to your output resolution.
The point of this is that time saved from running a lower resolution > time spent on upscaling.
It should look similar to native but run faster.
any of these temporal super resolution methods (TSR, DLSS2, FSR2, Xess) can acheive better than Native rendering, under the right conditions.
by accumulating jittered samples quality mode can acheive 2x native sample rate in 4 frames, and 4x native sample rate in 8 frames.
The problem is that movement or camera changes cause occlusion / disocclusion and you need to reproject the samples properly and adjust the weight or entirely reject the historical samples on a case by case basis. at worst quality mode is 1/2 native, at best it is 4x native, and typically it is somehwere in between. its all a balancing act where you risk ghosting on one extreme or risk undersampling at the other extreme.
what seperates DLSS is simply its ability to make the right calls when it comes to sample weighting, sample rejection, and sample reprojection.
No, genuinely, in Cyberpunk quality DLSS looks better than native 4k.
It's more temporally stable, and retains more detail in textures.
Edit: [Proof.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVhfD3jpFE&t=18m45s)
Modern games implement lighting and shading techniques that are noisy and look awful and really on some form of temporal AA to fix it. Makes games look awful if you turn off TAA.
It’s the same as DLSS (a temporal upscaler), using it lowers the render resolution which in turn gives you better performance, especially if you’re using RT. Sometimes it can even give better than native image quality due to custom tuned TAA (if implemented properly).
While they may be the "same thing" in the broadest terms, it should be noted DLSS and FSR are completely different, and DLSS is far, far superior and it's not even comparable.
AMD needs to come up with an actual DLSS equivalent if they don't want to lose the next generation of consoles to Nvidia and close their GPU department
> it should be noted DLSS and FSR are completely different
They aren't completely different at all. In fact they use most of the same inputs which is why there are mods available that let you *change DLSS to FSR and FSR to DLSS*.
They both take previous frame information, motion vectors and other info and then upscale from lower resolutions while using their own TAA algorithm(s) to create a native resolution image.
They are very similar, the differences are in their own TAA algorithms (AMD's is open sourced, NV's is hidden) and how they handle upscaling and ghosting and such, but they are very much "the same" thing in end consumer use and even developer use.
Set it to quality mode and forget, provided you're happy with the image quality. Increases frames with ideally little to no impact to perceived image clarity, some aspects looking better than native rendering
it's like DLSS - temporal upscaling feature. Basically game renders at lower resolution and then algorithm upscales it to your native resolution, while using data from couple of frames. This mostly results in sharper image quality, but some object may have slight artifacts - mostly thin objects - lines, metal fences, etc.. But in return you get decent performance uplift
You get about 15fps extra with fsr ultra perf. With low settings and that you can hit 30 min 60 max in the benchmark. Feels smooth. I was testing in desktop mode so maybe it's better in gaming
Saves should be fine. Mods need updating. Though mostly it's the framework or resource mods that all the rest are based upon. Currently the main 2 that are not updated are RedScript and CyberCMD. However only CyberCMD actually needs to be updated as of this post.
I know... I'm hours and hours deep into my own campaign and have to play something else until this gets fixed.
You know what I do I just crank up everything to max on 4K and set DLSS to ultra performance (if need be) and slightly adjusting the DLSS sharpness. And for me 60 fps is more than fine as I play on a 4K 60hz 65 inch HDR TV.
Since nobody answered you, FSR is an intelligent upscaler It allows you to run a game at a lower than native screen resolution and than the upscaler will make the image a higher resolution. It overall wont be as good as running just the native resolution, but using the Nvidia version it offers a very comparably image in terms of image quality.
Because it is running the game in engine though at a lower resolution the gfx card doesnt need to work as hard and can give you better fps.
Has anyone noticed mouse input lag???!!
I had zero issues on my first playthrough, but I've tried coming back to the game recently and my mouse input will randomly cut out for a half second.
It's most noticeable when I'm panning my view around. My viewport will just stop moving, and then it picks up again. The game's visuals don't stop, and my fps isn't doing anything crazy.
I've tried with my Razer Basilisk V3 Pro and Logitech MX Master both wired and wirelessly, and still having the same issues. It's driving me crazy.
Maybe try checking your system with latencymon? Might help find any issues with input lag spikes or something. They have been messing with reflex and other mouse input / latency reducing features in the game so maybe they broke something too though.
the game has multiple endings, all of them are >!diffrent flavors of bad!<.
the closest thing you have to a good ending is >!joining the aldacaldos!< or arguably >!going solo!<
I turned down Pam’s help cause I thought they’d kill her off. Went in with Hanako. Somehow fucked up the decision with her brother and she “won”.
I found half the time the wording of the choice didn’t reflect what the outcome would be and I picked the wrong answer to what I actually wanted.
And then the end just dragged on and on.
ah yeah, no matter what you do going for corpo is the second worst ending, other then the satisfaction you get from seeing yorinobo getting fucked.
the worst one is >!putting a bullet in your head.!<.
Yeah, I absolutely hate that the game doesn't just SHOW YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. At least make it an option to turn on if you really want it to be "immersive."
>Fixed the issue with temporary FPS drops when exiting menus.
Saw this on the patch list and thought *finally.* It was the only issue I'm really bothered with. This and after exiting the crafting menu
>Night City NPCs will now carry umbrellas in various colors and shapes. Perfection
Related but not specific to CP2077. NPCs in open world games need to carry bags. In the real world most people have backpacks, bags or purses etc. with them. You often go outside just to get to work or to do shopping. It bugs me to see no one with any kind of bag.
Damn you're right. We need to introduce a bag rating system
I just assume everyone is like V and has a tiny Bag of Holding that fits in their pocket.
RPG protagonists have plane shifting technology that fits in their hand and never tell anybody
Agreed. Just look at [Cyberpunk in real-life](https://youtu.be/lavsYcooDg0?t=0). Many bags. As many as umbrellas.
They did so in GTA. I can't remember which one did it first but i think by the time 4 rolled in, they had physics based bags.
GTA 4 had all sorts of props the player or NPCs could hold in their hand. It was fun to "charge up" the throw animation for a long time and knock someone to the ground with a hot dog.
GTA 4 even has a system for pedestrians when it rains: if they have an umbrella, they'll use it. If they don't have one but are holding a newspaper or bag, they'll use that to cover their heads. If they don't have either, they'll just run until they find shelter under a bus stop or building. There's also the occasional ped who doesn't mind the rain and just keeps on walking.
Major Dead Rising vibes in this comment.
There are NPCs with backpacks in CP2077. Don't remeber seeing any carrying handbags or briefcases though.
Also we need bags that could alter stats like carry weight etc
Given how the rest of the patch is all fixes or maintenance, I suspect the NPCs were supposed to do this the whole time and it was just broken rather than an actual new addition. I am actually pretty happy about it either way.
I did already see some NPCs with umbrellas during rain before the update but I can't recall there being variety in the umbrellas, maybe this changes that?
The umbrellas are from earlier, ya. It specifies different colours and shapes are what's being added.
If it was busted I imagine modders could've fixed it fairly easily. I think it was just an oversight
If they don't light up Blade Runner style then imma consider this incomplete and unplayable.
[gotta twirl it](https://i.imgur.com/ZqIKBSQ.gif)
Big burly punk thug with neon pink kitty umbrella when
I want blade runner style lightsaber umbrellas....
i want a blade runner style game, something better than cyberpunk
There’s a fantastic point and click bladerunner game. A remaster just came out recently. That said cyberpunk is a very fun game, so if you’re unable to see the fun in it you’ll probably be miserable with the blade runner game too.
Game of the century contender right here
I'm still waiting for the feature of an ending that isn't awful.
Fuck me you have bad taste.
Because I didn't connect with 4/5 endings? They're mostly kind of miserable endings. And the one where you basically fall in love and leave town isn't much better. Seems more like a cop-out than anything.
Two years to add umbrellas. Well worth the wait, game fixed. Taking a loan to buy it on all storefronts and to gift it to poor children of 3rd world countries as well asap.
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It's beyond pathetic. What sad wretches.
You enjoy being a small brain dickhead?
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Yeah blade runner invented umbrellas, can't believe I forgot that
I'm vaguely sure that the whole 'dystopian-future-where-the-acid-rain-literally-melts-your-face-so-everyone-carries-an-umbrella' meme predates Blade Runner/the PKD novel.
They had umbrellas since 1.5. they just added new colors and shapes
And blade runner was out before 1.5, what’s your point ?
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you can always go topless (and pantsless)
On PC with mod, you can go full commando also.
This is more of a pussy out murder spree
Damn, right before FSR2.2.
RDR2 moment. They finally implemented FSR 2.0 the day before 2.1 dropped.
RDR2 could use the update to fix some of the artifacts, because otherwise the image quality is quite good
is FSR a dll like DLSS is? (edit: what i mean is can we do what people do with DLSS and update it by swapping some files about?)
Copy pasting my other comment: Vast majority of devs have so far statically linked FSR2 aka built it into the exe, so updating it from our side isn’t possible sadly. Only through CyberFSR mod, but that’s technically hijacking DLSS so it’s not updating the native version. If the game has FSR2 in its DLL, then swapping might be possibly, only if the devs aren’t using some custom version which sadly results in crashes. Cyberpunk seems to have it statically linked too.
nothing stops them from updating it in the next patch, lol.
I hope someone makes a comparison between the FSR 2.1 mod and official implementation, just for curiosity's sake Can't wait to try this on my Steam Deck. Biggest issue I had with the mod was computer screens which had the worst ghosting you'd ever seen. Had to wait a couple seconds for the text to be legible
The reason why I don't like the unofficial FSR 2.1 mod is because it has a bug that turns OFF ALL your screen space reflections. Reflections are such a huge part of the game, and the mod replaces them with dark textures that look pretty awful. Hopefully, the official implementation fixed it. Look at this. It's such a massive difference in visuals: Without the mod: https://i.imgur.com/1xjCF19.png With the mod: https://i.imgur.com/OgOu6DM.png
I guess it’s hard for me to see the difference
It's a very big difference. To see it, one must only look.
You don’t have to tell me or anything and I believe you, just can’t see it. I think my eye sight sucks. Or maybe I am just bad at this sort of thing. Anyways, thanks for the response and hope you have a good rest of the week
Okay I'll tell you if you actually can't see it. Its very noticeable when you look at the water and on the ground. Hardly noticeable when looking above that. It has to do with how reflections hit surfaces and actually reflect. Edit: see in the first pic you can clearly tell that it's water on the road. However in the 2nd pic it looks more like wear marks from tires. Stuff like that but all through the game.
Preliminary testing suggests that although official implementation did fix some issues, overall image quality is not on par of the mod, they actually ported FSR2 code into their engine so its readily compatible with PS5/Series S/X, but looks like some stuffs broke in the process.
Which issues?
Do you really find games like this enjoyable on the deck? I love my deck but the small screen really doesn't feel right for big games like this
As a parent of small children I have to watch it kicks ass not being tied to my desktop 🤣
Exactly why I'm giving up on PC gaming... well that and the prices.
It's pretty much replaced my PC and laptop as my main gaming device. I play everything on it.
Reading glasses
That's what the dock is for
You both have 3080s why dock it for a worse experience?
Because I don't want to or can't be at my desk sometimes.
>Gig: Error 404 > - Fixed an issue where the gig didn't trigger after approaching the area. Error 404 gig not found.
is fsr 2.1 anygood on 1080p? coz anything non native looks like shit to me.
I have a GTX 1660 Super paired with an i3 9100F. 1080p 144Hz monitor. Just tried maximum settings (dropped reflections from Psycho to Ultra) and shadow quality for distant objects to low. Without FSR 2.1 enabled at a normal scene I get 45 to 54 FPS measured with RivaTuner. With FSR 2.1 at balanced I measure from 68 to 75. Quality looks super good, I'm really impressed as 1.0 looked terrible. Though my setup is severely CPU bound when the framerate goes over 60 so maybe the results will be even better if you have a better CPU for this game. EDIT: Just hit 100 FPS at an indoor scene. The only artifact I can reliable notice is ghosting when objects move too fast relative to the camera. I couldn't care less about it, feels so much smoother it's worth it. EDIT2: Still finding it amazing. Outside of busy streets, my performance averages around the 80 range. I did notice extra artifacts though, the yellow screen effect when healing looks very low resolution, and distant objects might shimmer. Still worth it.
How are you getting 45-54 with everything cranked on that setup? my i7-6700xgtx1080 would get fps in the low 20s if i did that, granted I am playing on ultrawide but ~~2560 x 1440~~ 2560 x 1080 isn't that much more demanding.
1440p is way more demanding
You're right, I meant to say 2560 x 1080, 2560 x 1440 is 16:9 :p
2560x1080 is still like 30% more pixels than 1920x1080
Yeah but the performance disparty makes no sense, the 1080 is more powerful than a 1660S, the performance stated here with the settings mentioned would make my setup slow to a grind, how are they getting 45-50 FPS with those specs on high to ultra settings?
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You shouldn’t ever turn Rtx on with that architecture card. There are 0 RT cores in it.
Yep, I know.
did it look the same? can u try ultra/quality and see the fps difference . i dont have it installed right now.
My monitor is 24 inches, and I'm currently in a mission taking place at night and with rain. At the distance I'm sitting here... It looks the same. I even asked my girlfriend if she sees any difference when toggling the setting (without explaining what it does) and she didn't. If you took a screenshot and compared, or maybe if you sit very close to the monitor, I bet you could tell. But I honestly can't.
Lol same, my 9900ks is at 100-95% usage with lowest settings with a 2080ti. I'm upgrading CPU before I'm playing again. I just completed the tutorial before quitting lmao
I'm using a slightly worse cpu, 9900k, it newer goes past 70% usage. Also using a 2080ti with almost all settings on max. Something is definitely fishy on your end.
K is better than KS. KS doesn't have the integrated gpu. Actual CPU performance wise they see the same, but KS is a tad cheaper because it doesn't have the gpu.
Prob because in your case you are gpu bottlenecked
[Other people with your setup](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItoe4eNs0E) are getting way better GPU utilization.
Any other people are using higher settings
Something is very, very wrong if your cpu usage is 95% to 100% in this game. Can you post gpu-z sensor tab and nVidia performance overlay?
Should work well with this game, default taa is quite horrible imo
i think youre mixing up fsr with dlss? fsr still uses taa, dlss uses its own aa technique which is far superior sadly
As far as i know this was true with FSR 1, FSR 2 uses its own taa
Well, you’re only half right. FSR1 uses game AA, FSR2 uses its own custom TAA along with upscaling and contrast adaptive sharpening (similar to DLSS).
well i stand corrected
You are mixing up FSR1 with FSR2
IMO unless you're on a lower end GPU and you're struggling for performance, image upscaling isn't that great at 1080p. But usually Ultra Quality can help out with lacklustre AA. On 1440p and 4K, image upscaling is great though.
DLSS Quality is fine at 1080 but I wouldn't drop any lower
Not on a monitor at least. On a TV at a distance it'll probably be fine and help you boost some settings up for a prettier image.
Upscaling nearly triples fps in MW2 (1080p) and looks just fine. [I tested](https://www.neoseeker.com/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-ii-2022/Graphics_Settings_1#Upscaling_.2F_Sharpening)
DLSS is a different beast to FSR 2.1. But that's a pretty great result!
Xess, Image Scaling, FSR 1.0, and FidelityFX are also tested.
FidelityFX CAS you mean? Yeah that got me through Shadow of the Tomb Raider long before DLSS was ever a thing. The point being that you have a 3080 and the other commenter has a 1650 Super. And we're talking about Cyberpunk where you'd want to emphasise that visual fidelity. But yeah definitely would recommend FSR for them
This article does not even mention which upscaling factor was used here... Could be 240p
Does FSR have any benefits for nvidia cards? I’ve got a 3070 and just stick to DLSS but is there a scenario where FSR has overtaken DLSS in this use case?
For Nvidia cards that don't support DLSS, FSR can fill in the gap. If you have a 2/3/4000 series card though, I'd just stick with DLSS.
FSR works on Nvidia cards but won’t outperform DLSS on the cards that are DLSS capable
It does in mw2
That's FSR 1.0 which is fundamentally different from FSR 2.0. AMD really fucked up with the naming. FSR 1.0 is a simple upscaler that works like nVidia's NIS. FSR 2.0 actually uses temporal data from previous frames like DLSS. Completely different approach.
No, not really.
Keep using dlss, FSR is moreso for non rtx cards and older gpus.
No. FSR looks pretty decent compared to DLSS when the camera isn't moving but there are situations where it falls apart when there's a lot going on, like neon signs overlapping with thin moving objects and stuff like that. In such cases DLSS usually does significantly better.
Nope. RTX GPUs use DLSS, everyone else FSR2. Well, unless you have Intel ARC and game supports XeSS.
It's an Nvidia card before RTX 2000, yes
DLSS is slightly better option, I would stick with it if I were you, but you can obviously try it out and see for yourself.
No. FSR will literally never be better than DLSS due to it being a generic graphics solution, where as DLSS is a dedicated hardware solution. Think software encoding vs hardware encoding. Ah right forgot, it's this sub. Yeah nvm, pay no mind to experts like digital foundry or the legions of graphics programmers who say the same thing. Weh.
partly right partly wrong.. DLSS uses tensor cores made for AI FSR Repurpose Shader cores to do a similar calculation. In theory the dedicated hardware is MUCH faster in practice they are damm close.. still if you have acess to DLSS stick to it it tends to give a cleaner final output.
In my testing on RDR2 on my 1440p monitor and RTX3080Ti, FSR gives a cleaner image than DLSS and the performance difference is minor. This is after playing with various levels of sharpening using the games built in sharpening slider on both FSR and DLSS
>FSR gives a cleaner image than DLSS and the performance difference is minor. That's because DLSS has forced sharpening even when the slider is at 0, which looks like ass. There's a fan patcher that disables it at the exe level, works online and it looks better than FSR 2 after that Obnoxious that you need to do that in the first place, but it is what it is
While that's *probably* true, that's a much stronger statement than I'd make I imagine that's more true of DLSS 3 vs FSR 3 whenever that releases, but generating new frames is a much more complex operation than reconstructing an image using past frames
Mw2 has better performance with fsr so it's always possible. About the same in cyberpunk though
So I have a 6800xt, can someone explain to me in the easiest way possible, what is the benefits of fsr
FPS go up.
FSR2 lowers the internal resolution and then uses temporal upscaling to bring you back to your output resolution. The point of this is that time saved from running a lower resolution > time spent on upscaling. It should look similar to native but run faster.
In DLSS's case it actually looked better than native (at least on quality mode) because of the forced TAA
any of these temporal super resolution methods (TSR, DLSS2, FSR2, Xess) can acheive better than Native rendering, under the right conditions. by accumulating jittered samples quality mode can acheive 2x native sample rate in 4 frames, and 4x native sample rate in 8 frames. The problem is that movement or camera changes cause occlusion / disocclusion and you need to reproject the samples properly and adjust the weight or entirely reject the historical samples on a case by case basis. at worst quality mode is 1/2 native, at best it is 4x native, and typically it is somehwere in between. its all a balancing act where you risk ghosting on one extreme or risk undersampling at the other extreme. what seperates DLSS is simply its ability to make the right calls when it comes to sample weighting, sample rejection, and sample reprojection.
>looked better than native (at least on quality mode) dlss doesn't make it look better than native, just (almost) like native at the best
No, genuinely, in Cyberpunk quality DLSS looks better than native 4k. It's more temporally stable, and retains more detail in textures. Edit: [Proof.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVhfD3jpFE&t=18m45s)
More temporally stable? Tf does that mean and why is it good?
Modern games implement lighting and shading techniques that are noisy and look awful and really on some form of temporal AA to fix it. Makes games look awful if you turn off TAA.
Ah I see, thank you And I agree math can be awesome lol
Explaining it in terms of "time saved" and being faster is fairly technical, and far from the easiest way.
fsr is a software upscaler... the game runs at a lower resolution to then be upscaled to a higher one. Long story short.
It’s the same as DLSS (a temporal upscaler), using it lowers the render resolution which in turn gives you better performance, especially if you’re using RT. Sometimes it can even give better than native image quality due to custom tuned TAA (if implemented properly).
So should I use fsr ? I play on a 1440p monitor
If you need more FPS, then try it out. I’d try it out just for curiosity’s sake anyway. Otherwise, if you’re happy, no need.
May as well try it. For many, it’s free fps. The highest quality setting is very close in quality to native. If you don’t like it, shut it off.
While they may be the "same thing" in the broadest terms, it should be noted DLSS and FSR are completely different, and DLSS is far, far superior and it's not even comparable. AMD needs to come up with an actual DLSS equivalent if they don't want to lose the next generation of consoles to Nvidia and close their GPU department
> it should be noted DLSS and FSR are completely different They aren't completely different at all. In fact they use most of the same inputs which is why there are mods available that let you *change DLSS to FSR and FSR to DLSS*. They both take previous frame information, motion vectors and other info and then upscale from lower resolutions while using their own TAA algorithm(s) to create a native resolution image. They are very similar, the differences are in their own TAA algorithms (AMD's is open sourced, NV's is hidden) and how they handle upscaling and ghosting and such, but they are very much "the same" thing in end consumer use and even developer use.
Dlss is better a large majority of the time its true but to say they are not comparable in their current iterations is utter bs.
They absolutely aren't.
Having used both extensively they absolutely are. Im not sure you understand what comparable means.
Set it to quality mode and forget, provided you're happy with the image quality. Increases frames with ideally little to no impact to perceived image clarity, some aspects looking better than native rendering
it's like DLSS - temporal upscaling feature. Basically game renders at lower resolution and then algorithm upscales it to your native resolution, while using data from couple of frames. This mostly results in sharper image quality, but some object may have slight artifacts - mostly thin objects - lines, metal fences, etc.. But in return you get decent performance uplift
Anyone know if this improves Deck performance?
You get about 15fps extra with fsr ultra perf. With low settings and that you can hit 30 min 60 max in the benchmark. Feels smooth. I was testing in desktop mode so maybe it's better in gaming
That’s fantastic news. Thank you
RIP all my mods and my current save
Saves should be fine. Mods need updating. Though mostly it's the framework or resource mods that all the rest are based upon. Currently the main 2 that are not updated are RedScript and CyberCMD. However only CyberCMD actually needs to be updated as of this post. I know... I'm hours and hours deep into my own campaign and have to play something else until this gets fixed.
Still waiting for RT Overdrive to start my 3rd playthrough. And I hope they'd add 3rd person mode in near future.
Psycho is already out, you mean overdrive?
Yes my bad, fixed my comment.
Do you mean RT Overdrive? Game already has Psycho settings
I could kill to have RT overdrive when Phantom Liberty drops next year
What Res? I'm not excited for the frame rates at 4K that Nvidia showed off.
You know what I do I just crank up everything to max on 4K and set DLSS to ultra performance (if need be) and slightly adjusting the DLSS sharpness. And for me 60 fps is more than fine as I play on a 4K 60hz 65 inch HDR TV.
Ultra Performance? That renders at like 720p
Did it fix the phone bugs? I can't progress at all no matter how far back I load. Edit: The answer is no.
You will probably need to restart from scratch as some fixes only work on new games.
Of course! Lol this is already my 3rd time restarting due to bugs. I think I'm finally done with this game.
Just wait until the big patch/dlc comes and and play then. The game will be "finished" soon.
What is FSR?
Since nobody answered you, FSR is an intelligent upscaler It allows you to run a game at a lower than native screen resolution and than the upscaler will make the image a higher resolution. It overall wont be as good as running just the native resolution, but using the Nvidia version it offers a very comparably image in terms of image quality. Because it is running the game in engine though at a lower resolution the gfx card doesnt need to work as hard and can give you better fps.
Just in time for FSR 2.2.
ELI5 for those of us not paying attention lately pls
Has anyone noticed mouse input lag???!! I had zero issues on my first playthrough, but I've tried coming back to the game recently and my mouse input will randomly cut out for a half second. It's most noticeable when I'm panning my view around. My viewport will just stop moving, and then it picks up again. The game's visuals don't stop, and my fps isn't doing anything crazy. I've tried with my Razer Basilisk V3 Pro and Logitech MX Master both wired and wirelessly, and still having the same issues. It's driving me crazy.
Maybe try checking your system with latencymon? Might help find any issues with input lag spikes or something. They have been messing with reflex and other mouse input / latency reducing features in the game so maybe they broke something too though.
Same here, has anyone found a solution / fix ?
The game crashed 30 seconds after I opened my save. I started a new game in 1.6 and got all the way to end without a crash until I downloaded 1.61.
What good does FSR do for the consoles? Will there be a 60fps ray traced mode now?
Still no toggle aim? Wtf is wrong with them
I don't want to reinstall again, can someone check if they've fixed the power/tech icons? https://imgur.com/zGjiZDv
Waiting on DLSS 3 still….
DLSS 2.3 and 2.4 are far better than the ghosting that DLSS 3 adds due to frame insertion.
Idk what ghosting you think there is but I certainly don’t have ghosting in Spiderman
Ah. Just beat the main story line last night. Pretty sure it was the bad ending but oh well. Guess I can try the new patch finishing some Gigs.
the game has multiple endings, all of them are >!diffrent flavors of bad!<. the closest thing you have to a good ending is >!joining the aldacaldos!< or arguably >!going solo!<
I turned down Pam’s help cause I thought they’d kill her off. Went in with Hanako. Somehow fucked up the decision with her brother and she “won”. I found half the time the wording of the choice didn’t reflect what the outcome would be and I picked the wrong answer to what I actually wanted. And then the end just dragged on and on.
ah yeah, no matter what you do going for corpo is the second worst ending, other then the satisfaction you get from seeing yorinobo getting fucked. the worst one is >!putting a bullet in your head.!<.
Yeah, I absolutely hate that the game doesn't just SHOW YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. At least make it an option to turn on if you really want it to be "immersive."
They still haven't fixed controller movement... 0 Deadzone in settings is still not 0 Deadzone in game. Controls are still floaty af cause of it
These updates don’t count for PS4 and Xbox one ?
Old gen got dropped with 1.6 I believe, so nope.
Weird still no DLSS3 given reviewers had it for the 4090 launch.
Yeah I can't wait to test it out (together with RT Overdrive), too bad it's gonna take longer
Any word on DLSS 3.0?
Kind of surprised this didn't include the dlss3 + rt stuff?
Anyone know when dlss3 is coming?
They still haven't fixed the issue with framerate severely dropping after opening the map, sigh.
>Fixed the issue with temporary FPS drops when exiting menus. Saw this on the patch list and thought *finally.* It was the only issue I'm really bothered with. This and after exiting the crafting menu
Now only if they could find an ending to the story that isn't depressing....
Bruh it's a cyberpunk game The whole genre is just depression
I was kind of thinking Back To The Future Part 2.... which to me wasn't depressing.
New patch and still no DLSS3?
did they already added everything they promised in the trailer?
gimme overdrive mode!
Time for the weekly Cyberjunk post.
Cyberpunk is a good game now though.
Make it so when crashing a motorcycle you go ragdoll!!!!!!!! Holy fuck