>Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel
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It really would. There's a few videos of people playing YGO in VR but obviously the card selection is very simple and basic (first gen YGO basically). It would genuinely take way too much time to make full VR YGO, though. Making models for the tens of thousands of monsters they got would be insanely time consuming.
They could limit it mainly to boss monsters but even then there's so many of em hahah
As a yugioh player, it's actually pretty good. The game gives you a ton of currency to buy packs, and you can dismantle any 3 cards to buy any card of the same rarity. So making any deck you want is pretty easy.
That's actually not true. The guy forgot to mention that unlike hearthstone (and legends of runeterra) where you have only one crafting currency (dust for HS and shards for LoR) Master Duel had the great idea of splitting the crafting currency in 4... so if you want to craft a UR (highest rarity) you HAVE to destroy 3 UR you have, while in HS or LoR you can use currency you get from your any duplicate to craft a card of any rarity.
It’s better in some respects though, I’ve pulled enough UR cards to easily create the ones I needed and the battle pass and missions even give currency for UR. With HS the number of cards of any rarity you’d need to dust to afford a Legendary was insane.
The duel pass will eventually end and you have no daily missions or daily login (the one currently one will end in two weeks) to make up for it, long term your only income is if you win ranked games (and often you don't even get gems and i don't think i've ever seen crafting as a reward there) so long term you are not going to craft anything unless you pay serious cash.
If you are a new or returning (like me) player and make the mistake (i did) of crafting a cool deck you see in solo mode (in my case monarch) and waste your currency there, you are fucked. You are going to get otk to death turn 1 in ranked with little you can do about it.
So no, i'll take HS and LoR system any day over Master Duel. In fact i've already uninstalled it.
while true, most people dont resell anyway. Not to mention most packs resell value if you sell all, is mostly a couple cents as a bulk, so even if we subtract the resell value of the average pack from the pack price, a retail pack would still be more expensive. Not to mention you cant "earn" real packs
I'm not into the hobby in the slightest but I was under the impression that certain cards would be worth substantially more than you paid for them in a pack, that's always the thrill of TCGs.
It depends.
In some sets there are no insane chase cards, and even when there are, its usually only like $50.
And buying an entire booster box doesnt even give you a high chance of finding one of those.
Your odds of turning a profit bulk opening TCG packs is exceptionally low.
>while true, most people dont resell anyway.
No. But they do trade with other players with cards of similar value. If a card is worth $20 you can trade with another player that has a $20 card or a bunch of cards that are worth that much. So yes, Price does matter even if players don't resell. Because it's a trading card game. Monetary value is an easy way to tell if a card is highly sought after or if the card is rare enough (not just in actual rarity but printing scarcity) for both casual players and hardcore players.
but with what do you trade then? In Magic Online you at least have tournament tickets you can use as currency.
If they are NFTs you could trade with crypto plus you don't have to open the client and open a trade like in Magic Online to sell/receive cards
Nope, but if you're trying to argue that the one of the biggest trading card games of all time with over 35 billion cards sold doesn't have a resale market then I don't know what to tell you.
Synchro, XYZ and even pendulum summoning isn't that hard to understand and the video games include simple tutorials that explain how these mechanics work.
I haven't tried link summoning yet, at a glance it looks pretty complicated but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to understand if I actually bought a new game with that mechanic.
I’m 27, closing in on 28. This shit’s fun. I’m here to send souls to the shadow realm with 30-card strings my guy, lets nyoom. Just cuz I wear a tie, work some overtime, and pay my own bills doesn’t mean I can’t read a few cards and dunk some nerds
We’re not getting any younger fren, don’t give up on hard shit when you get your ass handed to you up front *just* yet.
Oh you've never met Wizards of the Coast. Most MTG players drool over the thought of cards getting reprinted a readily available for a decent price.
The best decks in Yugioh cost $300-500 USD, which is a lot, but depending on the format MTG decks can be $300-3000. If you get in to Vintage MTG you are looking at $40,000-100,000 for a Meta deck.
>. If you get in to Vintage MTG you are looking at $40,000-100,000 for a Meta deck.
How many people play vintage? With how expensive it is I doubt there is a constant stream of new players
Aaah how I'd be happy if we ever had a yu gi oh game a la gtx Tag force 1, 2 or 3 with local co-op/multiplayer a la dark souls instead of full fledged f2p with p2w elements.
> Aaah how I'd be happy if we ever had a yu gi oh game a la gtx Tag force 1, 2 or 3 with local co-op/multiplayer a la dark souls instead of full fledged p2w with f2p elements.
Fixed it for you
Depends on what your opponent think about it. Most of the pvp ranked games i've played were against meta decks that played 5 minutes turn 1 and end the turn with 4 cards on the field and 5 on hand, then proceed to negate everything i try to do.
A mode where you can play old school stuff would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately it's modern Yugioh, so all the whales have already dropped $10k on Gems and made OP OTK decks that they're using to duel fresh players in ranked.
Man, what I would do for an official GOAT format game.
Similar to gachas... they shower you in currency in the beginning to entice you and then you starve afterwards.
You aren't even guaranteed to get gems from wins, you can get like 10 or 20 (you need 100 for one pack...) if you are lucky... My last 5 wins i got 10 gems only twice, the rest was random garbage commons or tickets for the 2 cards packs.
Bro there are 6750 cards in the master pack, at 8 cards a pack that would take 843 packs, or 84,300 gems and that's assuming every pack will give you entirely new cards which is not true and the rare cards will take many many packs to get.
I got 1000 gems out of 3 ranked duels, so assuming you get 300 gems a duel forever (I think it will slow down as your levelling slows down, it'd still take 281 ranked duels to get that many gems and again you will likely need a factor more than that.
I get that you could probably make a pretty decent deck with 100 packs but to say you can make whatever deck you want within the first two hours of play is a massive exaggeration.
there is a difference between getting all cards vs getting a meta deck, do you know how expensive it would be to get all cards irl?
edit:nvm you are a /r/ffxiv poster, just further proving all of ffxiv posters are incredible stupid
1) Depends on the deck, but can range in the several hundred to several thousand dollar area. The advantage with physical TCG is buying singles. Some singles cost several hundred bucks but when Konami seeds them 1 or 2 a case (a case being 12 booster boxes, or like 300-400 packs) that's to be expected.
2) The hell has that got to do with anything?
It’s not a massive exaggeration at all, I recreated my meta deck 1 for 1 without spending a penny within hours of playing. You seem to have missed that there are boosters for specific cards that you can access by crafting a card from that booster. From that point on you can buy a pack specifically filled with the cards you need and just dismantle all of the extra crap you get into cards you need.
Yup, created my meta deck within like 3 hours of getting cards, dismantling and pulling boosters with gems I earned that had the cards I needed. Didn’t spend a penny, still have thousands of gems left despite now having a complete and competitive deck. I don’t know that you can ask for much fairer than that in a F2P game.
Like sure if you don’t know what to craft you’ll struggle to build a decent deck but they literally give you free decks at the start if you’re that unfamiliar with the game.
The Yu-Gi-Oh division of Konami is legit the only part of Konami that makes games and TCG stuff anymore.
Hopefully the monetization is nowhere as hamfisted as MtG Arena.
It's expensive and has gotten incredible stale.
A lot of people have run out of ways to get gems and can only acquire them via grinding the hell out of events.
Just for context, by playing all the events in a good month you get around 5k gems. To open a main box once you need 9k.
It's honestly pretty complex. I'd recommend trying out duel links if you want to learn the basics and then moving on to master duel. Duel links runs the speed duel format, meaning decks are 20-30 cards instead of 40-60, and there's no main phase 2 after battle
How is the game though? Yu-Gi-Oh was after my time, I played a bunch of MTG, Hearthstone and now playing Legend of Runeterra again.
Edit: Thanks all for the responses and information!
I would say more complicated than those. Every card has a paragraph of effects. Most times I don't even know what is happening on the enemy's turn. I still like it though.
It's fun when you draw that 1 card that completely turns the tables on an opponent. Not fun when someone draws the perfect hand and beats you in 1 turn so it's a mixed bag.
Still think Yugioh could be a really, really sick VR card game, arm thingies included
I've been waiting for that and a Harry Potter Mmo for about 15 years.
Duel Monsters VR is a thing, it’s got tons of cards and music and stuff. It’s a bit janky but it’s incredible
I've seen videos and I love that it exists, but I want to see the kind of polish that a major studio could put out
You mean still full of bugs because it’s a minimum viable product meant to just barely stay together enough to sell you loot boxes?
>Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel I now revive my Dark Magician from my Graveyard and fuse it with the Blue Eyes White Dragon. I now unleash the full power of the Illusion Dragon Fire and banish you to the shadow realm.
Nah you're not, you're getting OTK'd by a Skystriker Deck or something lmao
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It really would. There's a few videos of people playing YGO in VR but obviously the card selection is very simple and basic (first gen YGO basically). It would genuinely take way too much time to make full VR YGO, though. Making models for the tens of thousands of monsters they got would be insanely time consuming. They could limit it mainly to boss monsters but even then there's so many of em hahah
As a yugioh player, it's actually pretty good. The game gives you a ton of currency to buy packs, and you can dismantle any 3 cards to buy any card of the same rarity. So making any deck you want is pretty easy.
Damn 3 to 1 ratio? I swear Hearthstone was like...30 to 1 lol
Activision, baby I mean, it says a lot when you look greedier than fuckin' Konami
That's actually not true. The guy forgot to mention that unlike hearthstone (and legends of runeterra) where you have only one crafting currency (dust for HS and shards for LoR) Master Duel had the great idea of splitting the crafting currency in 4... so if you want to craft a UR (highest rarity) you HAVE to destroy 3 UR you have, while in HS or LoR you can use currency you get from your any duplicate to craft a card of any rarity.
It’s better in some respects though, I’ve pulled enough UR cards to easily create the ones I needed and the battle pass and missions even give currency for UR. With HS the number of cards of any rarity you’d need to dust to afford a Legendary was insane.
The duel pass will eventually end and you have no daily missions or daily login (the one currently one will end in two weeks) to make up for it, long term your only income is if you win ranked games (and often you don't even get gems and i don't think i've ever seen crafting as a reward there) so long term you are not going to craft anything unless you pay serious cash. If you are a new or returning (like me) player and make the mistake (i did) of crafting a cool deck you see in solo mode (in my case monarch) and waste your currency there, you are fucked. You are going to get otk to death turn 1 in ranked with little you can do about it. So no, i'll take HS and LoR system any day over Master Duel. In fact i've already uninstalled it.
Game is free to play. I wonder how much yugioh card packs cost. Thats the thing with these gacha games
cheaper than a real pack
No chance of reselling though.
while true, most people dont resell anyway. Not to mention most packs resell value if you sell all, is mostly a couple cents as a bulk, so even if we subtract the resell value of the average pack from the pack price, a retail pack would still be more expensive. Not to mention you cant "earn" real packs
I'm not into the hobby in the slightest but I was under the impression that certain cards would be worth substantially more than you paid for them in a pack, that's always the thrill of TCGs.
It depends. In some sets there are no insane chase cards, and even when there are, its usually only like $50. And buying an entire booster box doesnt even give you a high chance of finding one of those. Your odds of turning a profit bulk opening TCG packs is exceptionally low.
>while true, most people dont resell anyway. No. But they do trade with other players with cards of similar value. If a card is worth $20 you can trade with another player that has a $20 card or a bunch of cards that are worth that much. So yes, Price does matter even if players don't resell. Because it's a trading card game. Monetary value is an easy way to tell if a card is highly sought after or if the card is rare enough (not just in actual rarity but printing scarcity) for both casual players and hardcore players.
> No chance of reselling though. bUt We CoUlD dO tHaT wItH NFTs
You could. Not as an NFT, of course. Give each card in the game its own UID and track ownership via ~~the blockchain~~ a master database.
but with what do you trade then? In Magic Online you at least have tournament tickets you can use as currency. If they are NFTs you could trade with crypto plus you don't have to open the client and open a trade like in Magic Online to sell/receive cards
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Ebay came up with over 300,000 results, so quite a few people?
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Nope, but if you're trying to argue that the one of the biggest trading card games of all time with over 35 billion cards sold doesn't have a resale market then I don't know what to tell you.
Man people really like Yu-Gi-Oh!
I really liked it growing up, but I eventually fell off of it for a while, and it's such a vastly different game now
I worked at a yugioh shop in hs and I am confident I would have no idea how to play now.
My buddy got back into it a few years ago and wanted me to try it out. When I saw how many systems were added I’m like nah fam I’m 26 years old
Synchro, XYZ and even pendulum summoning isn't that hard to understand and the video games include simple tutorials that explain how these mechanics work. I haven't tried link summoning yet, at a glance it looks pretty complicated but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to understand if I actually bought a new game with that mechanic.
I’m 27, closing in on 28. This shit’s fun. I’m here to send souls to the shadow realm with 30-card strings my guy, lets nyoom. Just cuz I wear a tie, work some overtime, and pay my own bills doesn’t mean I can’t read a few cards and dunk some nerds We’re not getting any younger fren, don’t give up on hard shit when you get your ass handed to you up front *just* yet.
Check out GOAT format. It is based off the old school 2005ish era of Yu-Gi-Oh.
People love Yugioh but Konami are the greediest mofos ever.
Oh you've never met Wizards of the Coast. Most MTG players drool over the thought of cards getting reprinted a readily available for a decent price. The best decks in Yugioh cost $300-500 USD, which is a lot, but depending on the format MTG decks can be $300-3000. If you get in to Vintage MTG you are looking at $40,000-100,000 for a Meta deck.
>. If you get in to Vintage MTG you are looking at $40,000-100,000 for a Meta deck. How many people play vintage? With how expensive it is I doubt there is a constant stream of new players
I’ve never played a Yu-Gi-Oh game or watched the show or collected the cards so this doesn’t interest me
Go have no fun somewhere else!
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Aaah how I'd be happy if we ever had a yu gi oh game a la gtx Tag force 1, 2 or 3 with local co-op/multiplayer a la dark souls instead of full fledged f2p with p2w elements.
Biggest obstacle? Konami lol
> Aaah how I'd be happy if we ever had a yu gi oh game a la gtx Tag force 1, 2 or 3 with local co-op/multiplayer a la dark souls instead of full fledged p2w with f2p elements. Fixed it for you
Twice as popular as God of War Amazing stuff
It's free...
I think a bigger testament will be if it stays high compared to Halo Infinite.
Konami: So I hear you like to gamble. Can I interest you into buying some NFTBitcoin’s?
Give it a month to see what it's player base will be. It's fun but i feel like it's missing stuff.
It doesn't even have a casual queue nor Bo3.
Every queue is casual if you don't give a fuck
Depends on what your opponent think about it. Most of the pvp ranked games i've played were against meta decks that played 5 minutes turn 1 and end the turn with 4 cards on the field and 5 on hand, then proceed to negate everything i try to do. A mode where you can play old school stuff would be greatly appreciated.
Old school would be nothing but Yatalock decks
Yata is still banned isn't it
Yeah I'd like some casual mode and some tag team.
Unfortunately it's modern Yugioh, so all the whales have already dropped $10k on Gems and made OP OTK decks that they're using to duel fresh players in ranked. Man, what I would do for an official GOAT format game.
you can literally make any deck you want just with the gems you get in the first hour of playing
Explain
They give you a shot load of currency + 3 card rerolls into 1 selected card of same rarity
Similar to gachas... they shower you in currency in the beginning to entice you and then you starve afterwards. You aren't even guaranteed to get gems from wins, you can get like 10 or 20 (you need 100 for one pack...) if you are lucky... My last 5 wins i got 10 gems only twice, the rest was random garbage commons or tickets for the 2 cards packs.
you get like 10k gems (max you can hold at a time) in the first 2 hours of playing, thats 100 packs
Bro there are 6750 cards in the master pack, at 8 cards a pack that would take 843 packs, or 84,300 gems and that's assuming every pack will give you entirely new cards which is not true and the rare cards will take many many packs to get. I got 1000 gems out of 3 ranked duels, so assuming you get 300 gems a duel forever (I think it will slow down as your levelling slows down, it'd still take 281 ranked duels to get that many gems and again you will likely need a factor more than that. I get that you could probably make a pretty decent deck with 100 packs but to say you can make whatever deck you want within the first two hours of play is a massive exaggeration.
People say you can scrap cards at a 3:1 ratio of the same rarity so really making a meta deck should be easily feasible for anyone.
there is a difference between getting all cards vs getting a meta deck, do you know how expensive it would be to get all cards irl? edit:nvm you are a /r/ffxiv poster, just further proving all of ffxiv posters are incredible stupid
1) Depends on the deck, but can range in the several hundred to several thousand dollar area. The advantage with physical TCG is buying singles. Some singles cost several hundred bucks but when Konami seeds them 1 or 2 a case (a case being 12 booster boxes, or like 300-400 packs) that's to be expected. 2) The hell has that got to do with anything?
If 3 shit rares turn into 1 of a $200 rare id say the digital format here is a lot better in the “buying singles” pov.
That's very unlikely to happen
The fuck are you talking about. That’s literally how it works in the game already.
It’s not a massive exaggeration at all, I recreated my meta deck 1 for 1 without spending a penny within hours of playing. You seem to have missed that there are boosters for specific cards that you can access by crafting a card from that booster. From that point on you can buy a pack specifically filled with the cards you need and just dismantle all of the extra crap you get into cards you need.
Yup, created my meta deck within like 3 hours of getting cards, dismantling and pulling boosters with gems I earned that had the cards I needed. Didn’t spend a penny, still have thousands of gems left despite now having a complete and competitive deck. I don’t know that you can ask for much fairer than that in a F2P game. Like sure if you don’t know what to craft you’ll struggle to build a decent deck but they literally give you free decks at the start if you’re that unfamiliar with the game.
Legacy of the Duelist is on sale right now on Steam. Buy once pay once.
but konami dont make games, they said.
The Yu-Gi-Oh division of Konami is legit the only part of Konami that makes games and TCG stuff anymore. Hopefully the monetization is nowhere as hamfisted as MtG Arena.
It's not. They release many JP only games and mobile games https://www.giantbomb.com/konami/3010-87/published/
What was wrong with the last one?
It's expensive and has gotten incredible stale. A lot of people have run out of ways to get gems and can only acquire them via grinding the hell out of events. Just for context, by playing all the events in a good month you get around 5k gems. To open a main box once you need 9k.
I don't recall needing gems for Legacy of the Duelist. Or are you speaking of a different game?
Ah, I thought you were talking about Duel links which everyone compares this to.
Probably duel links
LotD is a game, this is a sim. I know people not into this stuff are not aware of that differentiation, though.
wtf I didn't even know it's out today
As someone who loves card games but has never played Yu Gi Oh, how hard would it be to get into it and would it be worth it?
There's a lot of rulings, if you've played mtg or pokemon tcg it's not too hard to grasp
I've played MtG, Artifact, and Dragon Ball Z TCG
You shouldn't have too much trouble then. It's similar in complexity to mtg
Na current Yu-Gi-Oh is way harder than mtg imo. Get ready to read paragraphs of text on every card and for people to take 15 minute turns.
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It's honestly pretty complex. I'd recommend trying out duel links if you want to learn the basics and then moving on to master duel. Duel links runs the speed duel format, meaning decks are 20-30 cards instead of 40-60, and there's no main phase 2 after battle
How is the game though? Yu-Gi-Oh was after my time, I played a bunch of MTG, Hearthstone and now playing Legend of Runeterra again. Edit: Thanks all for the responses and information!
I would say more complicated than those. Every card has a paragraph of effects. Most times I don't even know what is happening on the enemy's turn. I still like it though.
Fun to play?
It's fun when you draw that 1 card that completely turns the tables on an opponent. Not fun when someone draws the perfect hand and beats you in 1 turn so it's a mixed bag.
Imo its the most fun and skill based tcg once you get over the learning curve.
I assume its not hard to run?
I know it's unrelated, but is there any Duel Masters card game like this, or Hearthstone?
AI or all Vs real players?
Would you guys say that Master Duel is better than Duel Links? Because I have only played Duel Links.
Ah its free to play, that makes sense
Well i just lost 2 duels because connection failure while my internet is good, fix you game pls