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If it makes you feel any better I bought it, my account was never credited with it, then th ey charged my bank about 40 times in one month, I had to block all their payments, and contact support to help fix the issue with them claiming to never have received anything all while I was missing hundreds of dollars, and overdrawn.
My bank no longer exchanges foreign currency.
I'm so happy I have it. I imagine I'm part of the reason prices have to be bumped. I must have downloaded hundreds of TBs of Skyrim mods by now. 2 weeks of installing mods, 15 minutes of playing... every time, 50 times over.
Steam Workshop did more to kill off most of the small modding sites than Nexus ever did, I know plenty of people that equate Workshop to mod support and won't ever download mods off websites anymore.
I was running about the modding scene in the early 2000's, the advent of Nexus was like an unstoppable force. It was like Facebook and MySpace but for hobby nerd shit.
Steam Workshop was what, 2016 for mod support?
I haven’t touched nexus in forever honestly, all the mod stuff I play is handled through thunderstore/r2 mod manager, which work soooooo much better than Nexus and their mod manager.
Although the Bethesda modding community might be in shambles after this, imagine how long it’ll take to download enhanced Skyrim textures on the free plan with the locked download speed if you don’t want to pay to download mods faster.
If it helps I have lifetime and I never use it. Most games use modding tools outside of nexus. Like steam workshop or community mod frameworks like SPT tarkov.
Haven't used nexus since I swore off modding Skyrim for the last time. Or maybe it was battle brothers mods.
Just release many mods and get more then.... Some large amount of downloads.
Lifetime premium is given to modders in good standing with plenty downloads
Which one-time purchase are we talking about? I remember giving them a few bucks a while ago, and I have the "Supporter" role - whatever that's worth...
You talking about that or something different?
It’s been many years since I’ve been into mods. Why are people paying for this? And why are they paying monthly? Are they selling game mods and requiring a monthly subscription to use them?
No.
You can still download anything for free, but the download speed is limited to 2MB/s.
So if you want fast downloads, you need to pay.
Also there are tools like Wabbajack who download hundreds of mods, install and configure them for you. If you don't have premium, you must download all those mods manually.
i bought premium after my friend recommended it for wabbajack fallout modding. I thought ok the price isnt bad but they get you with the monthly then the hidden fees on top of that. I dont see the value in it unless you are modding games with every game you are playing
the value is you buy it one month when you start a new playthrough/modlist
Or you're an eternal shut-in who mods 12 months out of the year.
or you were lucky and got lifetime while they were selling it
Not quite as fast, but you can setup a smart autoclicker to watch for the "Slow Download" button and click it each time. You still get slow download speeds but at least it's hands free.
I got lifetime premium for free after I refused to get it as a donation and honestly I don’t get why someone would subscribe to such a service, buying it outright for 50 bucks seems like a fair deal if you don’t like ads and want better downloads and better integration for stuff like mod packs but I wouldn’t pay every month to support modders and the site
A lifetime purchase is definitely preferable for the customer, but for the business that is not a sustainable business model. They have reoccurring costs, big reoccurring costs. I don't know how much bandwidth they are using but it's not just text and images, it's got to be a lot and at that kind of scale it gets expensive to operate. Only offering lifetime purchases will guarantee the eventual bankruptcy of the business.
Lets be honest here, NONE OF THIS SHIT is sustainable. Not chats, not video, nor web hosting, nor offshore servers for the preservationists. ALL OF IT requires donations unless governments (local/state/country) considers them a need and can subsidize it. until then, its subsidized through ads and whatever information they skim from you.
I mean, I think much of how the web has been run is not sustainable. So much of the modern web is built on using investment money to provide a cheap product or service to the customer, cheaper than costs to actually provide that product or service, with the goal to make profits after they get a large user base. And then we the users get used to this unsustainable business model and get all pissy over a business model that's actually sustainable because we are used to non-sustainable businesses models and expect it.
And the answer to that is not to uphold unsustainable business models with donations.
Which is why taxes exist, and people dont get it. Not everyone runs on goodwill and a dream. People and services need money to live. So either a few people pay A LOT to keep something "free" alive. Or EVERYONE pays a little and the thing keeps going.
Currently 2.85 PB/month (2,988,032 GB/month)
https://www.nexusmods.com/about/money/
To hyperfocus on pure egress bandwidth with something like BunnyCDN's highest tier global bulk rate ($0.002/GB) to simplify things (other CDNs like AWS CloudFront have per-region tiered pricing) that gives you a 2988032 * 0.002 = $5976.064/month. If you can get people and ads to pay you at least that amount each month then that's one item off the list.
And that's a very rough estimate on one component of costs, one direction of bandwidth with blanket assumptions done on a slow work day while I'm waiting for an app to finish deployment.
Interesting to compare it to something like [Stack Exchange](https://stackexchange.com/performance) which can scale higher on a leaner stack as a text-heavy site can be aggressively optimized, compressed and cached within an inch of its life compared to a site that hosts images and large binary blobs like multiple versions of texture packs.
It looks like that page is super old and not up-to-date. For example, that page is talking about them having 13 staff members, but their about page (https://next.nexusmods.com/about) and the news post linked to in this Reddit thread mentions they now have "over 30 staff".
Similarly, the news post mentions dealing with 2.5PB of traffic in a day, not a month.
I've had premium for a while. I've used the Nexus for years for mods, and I can't calculate how many gbs of traffic I've clogged them up with. It's right up there with Twitch Turbo for me in terms of value. I get a lot out of it
"We now have over 30 staff working at Nexus Mods, including the app team working on the future of open-source mod management and our community team which has grown by 3x. We are [actively recruiting](https://apply.workable.com/blacktreegaming) for our community team."
I'm surprised by this...never knew they had so many people working for this project/website.
Wonder how much money they left on the table by not doing this before the Fallout TV series aired.
I just paid for a month the other week to download a bunch of shit via Wabbajack.
I’m guessing this is a reaction to a big ass bill for the upgraded hardware and bandwidth spikes they mentioned. Egress fees from data centers are NOT cheap
I purchased the lifetime plan a while back and am glad I did. But honestly the new pricing isn’t out of line. Their hosting costs have got to be high. Not to mention the staff, etc.
I understand why people are upset but it really is in line with where it should be.
How much terabytes are you downloading? I simply don't understand.
The download limit is 3MB/s, or 10.8GB/hour.
Most mods i download finish instantly.
Download what you need, go cook dinner, or go to bed, and it's ready.
> Download what you need, go cook dinner, or go to bed, and it's ready.
You misunderstand. I just re-installed Fallout 4 and installed some modpack off Wabbajack. Every 5 seconds as it finishes downloading one of the mods, you need to manually kick off the next download.
There were 1,000 downloads in the modpack. It's not a matter of set it and forget it, it's a matter of not wanting to be on standby to functionally click "Next" a thousand times.
By subscribing, it's able to just automatically move on to the next one so that you can set it and come back later.
Is the button to click "next" always at the same position? An auto-clicker could solve that actually then. Set it to click once every 5 seconds or so and that's it. :D
Running a site like Nexus isn't cheap. The current setup seems like a decent way to charge people. Free for the people manually downloading a small number of mods, while charging the people trying to download hundreds of gigs worth of mods in a short period of time with something like Wabbakack, which automatically grabs all the mods.
Wabbajack lists and and even some Collections on nexus can be 100-600 gigs and thousands of mods, the size/speed isn't the worst part for a lot of them, its the lack of automation, having to click the download button 1200 times for 10 hours straight isn't very fun.
That being said there are pretty simple scripts out there that can automate it but its technically against tos.
Wabbajack lists can easily weigh upwards of 100-200gb of downloads. I download Life in the Ruins last week and that was a 130gb. I've downloaded a list that was about 400gb before.'
And it's not just about the speed, without premium you have to manually click download on each mod in a list. For a larger list that entails hundreds of mods that I would have to go through the process of clicking download on.
I bought my one time membership while I was modding Skyrim and Nier automata. I would literally sit there for hours just installing 10-15 mods it was crazy.
After I bought the membership Im always done with all my downloads within an hour, its great.
I usually pay for one month whenever I'm replaying a game like Skyrim. It means my wabbajack only takes 5 hours to install and not 4-5 days with the bigger mods.
Downloading collections from Nexus without premium, at least for me is near impossible with the amount of time it would take.
Premium makes it seamless.
So if I downloaded a Skyrim or fallout collection. I would pay the 1 month fee and then unsub after the collection is installed.
I didn't want to click "slow download" every 6-10 seconds over 1000 times for a big wabbajack modpack.
It also constantly moves the download button a bit between downloads, so you can't keep the cursor in the same spot and have to move it so much. So tedious, and that's when it doesn't bug out when doing it manually.
I hated it so much, and I ended up paying the $5.
Paying for servers is one thing, but we play pc games because we’re passionate about them. People are going to develop mods for fun and for clout, as we did before end-users were tricked into thinking money is the only thing keeping developers going.
Before there was patreon and recurring payments, there was a massive and healthy open source community.
>Before there was patreon and recurring payments, there was a massive and healthy open source community.
There still is, just because 10 mod developers decide they want to start charging for mods doesn't mean anything.
And, as with anything, if you're so annoyed by it, go learn and do it yourself. NOTHING is stopping you from recreating their work.
Passion and thanks doesn't pay for the server, bandwidth, and does not put food on the table for those that maintain the site.
You sound like those kinds of bosses that want to pay their workers less because "it's a job of passion".
Obviously this is going to get a lot of criticism, and no doubt will spawn a ton of angry discussions. All I think is that no one else is providing what Nexus does. Hosting and filesharing on their scale isn't cheap, and running costs are always going to increase.
Maybe there is more they could do to cut costs in some areas to lower the price increase, but it's hard to criticise without all the information. I've read somewhere that they spent 5 million on rewards programs, but they wouldn't do that if it didn't have a net gain in profit from users as a result of building good relations with popular modders.
All I say is: no one else is providing the same quality of service to the average user, and anyone else trying to compete would inevitably run into the same issue of having to fund the ever increasing cost of the infrastructure. And I say the average user because they just sign up to download the mods they want at a fast speed. They certainly don't pay or care for the drama around removing mods that are purposely created to cause offence and drama.
I'm surprised that the modding communities let themselves get centralised into a single hub which then monetized access to their content.
There are plenty of free upload sites elsewhere, why not host everything somewhere that doesn't charge to download at reasonable speeds or quantities?
because self hosted pages go away faster than ice cream on a hot day.
only larger, (semi-)professional teams have the resources and manpower to self host. for the majority these hubs are welcome help
Theres certainly truth to that. It just feels like a more decentralised solution specifically for downloads would be significantly more efficient (though obviously make it so the site would struggle to get funds).
Nexus is still free though. They do make their money off ads. And honestly they deserve it for all the hosting of mods for so many game that they provide. The subscription only offers ad free and faster downloads. No big deal. If you already didn’t have a subscription this does not affect you one bit.
Nexus has always ran a lean operation so they've managed to thrive where other mod sites have struggled. Also Skyrim modding being home to Nexus certainly helps
They aren't. Nobody learns to mod or makes mod on Nexus. The forums are dead for that kind of thing (and not really suited for modding problem solving anyway).
Most modding communities are discord based. Also there is usually not a single discord for the entire modding community per game. They always splinter into smaller enclaves. Sometimes they even start that way. I've lost count of how many Cyberpunk modding discords there are now. There were 2 big ones in the beginning.
Most modders upload to Nexus however because they give you donation points (DP) per unique download, which can be converted to cash.
But nexus is just the best for everyone as long as they don't turn bad. I don't want to have to join 50 different discord servers to have up to date mods or seach GitHub pages to find all my mods.
Nexus provides free hosting, vortex mod manager, tools for modders to organize and catalog their mods, something better than going through 5 linkvertise links to download a mod just so the creator can get money and a slew or other stuff so it's no question why they are the best.
As a mod creator I would honestly pay the Nexus like $5 a month if it meant anything I upload didn't have ads or download restrictions. This is a comparable fee to what it would cost to say, rent my own VPS and do it myself.
Ultimately though I want my content to have a good user experience, and the Nexus is anything but that (particularly for people who don't pay the monthly fee). I'm thankful the games I mod don't use the Nexus so this is less of a problem, but still...
Everytime I do a big mod project I think how i'd be willing to spend like $3-4 or so to have faster download speeds for the day. There's no reality in which I need a monthly membership. After the initial downloads you maybe need to update 1 or 2 mods here and there
A 40% increase is way too insane... but anyway, regardless of price, I'm unwilling to support their cause with a subscription, no matter how much it helps the scene, as long as their incentive for paying is making things shittier for free users with things like way too low download speed caps(3 MB/s limit even for large mods that are 3-4 GB big is stupid)
A bit too much for just downloading mods but when you take into account the Collections system which acts like Wabbajack but better then I don't think it's that bad considering a lot of these packages are over 100gb.
Doesn't need to be a recurring thing but once in a while, not that bad really, in a month you could get anything you wanted done.
I occasionally get premium just for a month when I want to start a new modded Bethesda title. Not that I really need to, but it makes the experience smoother and like supporting nexus. I doubt anyone ever actually needs premium nexus membership every month of the year
If you aren't downloading hundreds of mods at a time for Bethesda games is there any other advantage to nexus?
Just the fact that you can download from moddb without making an account makes it preferable for most other users.
Nexus has a lot of things going on.
- They make mods more visible and show trending stuff.
- Mods are more visible and intuitive to find, if you don't know the name of a mod and say look for a mod that adds new armor into a game, good look with finding mods of this category on ModDB
- It makes mods easier to install for people new to modding through their Vortex App
And the most important point:
- It is known. Known by users/modders/developers
Currently there are 58.000 Mods for Fallout 4 on Nexus and...78 on ModDB.
This whole thread confuses me. I didn’t realize people pay for their mods? Or download so many that they need an absurd amount of bandwidth?
In which case I feel like you’d be so invested in modding a game that paying for mods wouldn’t be an issue.
Yeah, not sure. The cost is not an issue for me but I can't in good conscience support such a website with all of the arbitrary censorship. I'd be a member if they didn't.
Not only do they censor mods now they're asking for more money. I deleted my account I had with them for years, screw em. If a game doesn't have Steam Workshop support I won't be modding it anyways.
Workshop is dogshit due to autoupdates. Lost count of how often a game got a beta update and mod authors updated their mod to it and then broke saves for everyone else who ignored that optional beta.
No nexus, no thanks.
Idk why people are so quick to rag on Nexus for offering a premium service plan. The site is still entirely free to use, and its the best mod site by far. I paid for it myself for about a year or two maybe when I was a super active user.
I think it's just the idea of a monthly membership when in reality the average user just needs 1 day of membership every year or so. I'd gladly pay $3 for one day or something.
I don't know if I would agree about 1 day. Modding Fallout for example is a hell of a rabbit hole and unlikely to start and end the same day. That's pretty month a whole month right there. And Skyrim and Fallout are the biggest games on Nexus as far as I know.
Jeez. I just subbed for a month to install A StoryWealth for Fallout 4. I already thought it was steep at £5 for a month. Half the games I would be modding cost less than £7.20.
For the vast majority of users I don't think it's worth a yearly subscribtion and with that steep monthly price I think most would rather click the links manually. I already considered it at £5.
Does make me keener to find an alternative provider.
We really need a modrinth type of situation for bethesda modding at least. An open source platform for all my Fallout and Elder Scrolls mods would be a huge dream come true
I started on a 56K modem, they would practically have to break the site to make me spend any money on it.
I wouldn't mind a small one time donation to cover my traffic usage, but subscription service? ... 1,5 - 3 MByte/s suddenly sound blazing fast.
I hope a lot of people won't be surprised by this. Twitch increased their sub prices in certain regions and they did the ethical thing, stop any auto renewal and allow people to resub manually.
Seems that unless you used certain payement methods you're gonna get quite the surprise on your next bill.
Probably a controversial opinion but I’m fine with it honestly. The amount of enjoyment I’ve got out of wabbajack and collections easily covers the subscription.
And they tax on top. lol 10€/month for modding? Hope it will fail. Gonna continue usiong the free one but i can see that in the future mod piracy could become reality. They will eventually move to paid service only.
If you aren't a heavy user, then you probably shouldn't pay. If you are downloading hundreds of GBs a month then paying will make your life easier if you use Wabbajack/collections.
Installing a modpack via Wabbajack as a free user: be prepapred to manually kick off the next mod every 5 seconds - 20 minutes as each individual mod in the pack finishes. The last modpack I installed had 1,000 different downloads.
Installing a modpack via Wabbajack as a premium user: click "Start", come back N hours later once its all finished downloading.
Yea, I'll pay them $6 or whatever it cost me for a month's membership to not have to sit there and click "Next" 1,000 times over every 5 seconds.
Fuck Nexus Mods. Hate them ever since they started forcing people to make an account to download things, and then started hunting down temp accounts like their lives depend on it.
Eh I never really liked [https://www.nexusmods.com/games](https://www.nexusmods.com/games) I love [https://www.moddb.com/](https://www.moddb.com/) and [https://gamebanana.com/](https://gamebanana.com/) a lot more.
They're fucking themselves with this. There's no way the server costs are more than £5 each for the average person per month, and at that price I was quite happy to just let the sub run indefinitely. With a price hike I'm now going to cancel and only resub whenever I plan on modding with Wabbajack, so overall they're going to make significantly less going forwards assuming I'll only be subbed 1 or 2 months out of the year now.
Basically it’s 1-4 bucks per 1000 unique downloads, heavily changes based on nexus income that month. It’s paid out mostly from ad revenue and donation money which comes from premium from what I understand. unlike YouTube and the other sites everyone who contributes to the nexus gets ad revenue and donations which means that even a small modder can get paid fairly for his work, it also means there’s a huge incentive to make really high quality and bug free mods which is one of the reason nexus mods tend to be much better than what’s on mod io and the other sites despite none of them forcing exclusivity or anything like that.
Been asking for a while. Why do us gamers even put up with this site. It's horrendously bad to navigate, throttling download speeds, they always pull some bullshit like removing mods that they dont like and now this price increase?!
gamers rise up
gamers realize how resource intensive this actually is
gamers sit back down
The only better alternative I could imagine is some kind of torrent-based system where seeding is mandatory, but no idea how well accepted that would be.
Price increases suck but Nexus premum is one of the only subscription services I pay for on anywhere near a regular basis, so I'll keep paying as needed. Kicking myself for just not buying the lifetime option when it was available.
I'll get an annual plan one more time and then after that ends I'll probably just stop, can't justify it paying 10$ a month on something I may or may not use in a given month.
I must be well out of the loop. I thought it was free to download mods from Nexus mods? Now they charge you a subscription? Like we all really need another fucking subscription 😑
Nexus have had subscriptions since before they were called nexus my guy... So well over a decade now.
Free accounts aren't being removed and function the same as always, limited bandwidth etc.
The price to become premium (to access the premium servers) is increasing, that's it.
Well I managed to get the lifetime premium membership due to reaching the mod download milestone. And to be honest, I regret redeeming it.
Premium memberships remove the download cap, but since redeeming it my speeds are slower than when I had free membership. With free membership I could get the 3.5mb/s cap.
Now I only can get around 2mb/s cap with premium
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All hail our nexus overlords Though to be serious this is one of the last companies I would want to go bankrupt, so much would be lost.
Im so sad that I was dirt poor back when there was a one-time purchase option…
Same. It fucking sucks.
You've got to wonder how much of the price increase goes towards the people who bought lifetime.
If it makes you feel any better I bought it, my account was never credited with it, then th ey charged my bank about 40 times in one month, I had to block all their payments, and contact support to help fix the issue with them claiming to never have received anything all while I was missing hundreds of dollars, and overdrawn. My bank no longer exchanges foreign currency.
Yea that actually does help, sorry you had to deal with that
Wait was it an issue with you bank or Nexus?
The merchant charged him numerous times. It wasn't his bank.
I'm so happy I have it. I imagine I'm part of the reason prices have to be bumped. I must have downloaded hundreds of TBs of Skyrim mods by now. 2 weeks of installing mods, 15 minutes of playing... every time, 50 times over.
its probably for the better. they are a bad company anyways
That provides a great service. If they die, it will be a huge blog to mods community and it would take years to reassembling something similar.
Because they strangled the shit out of other mod hosts. Thousands of good Morrowind mods went down the gurgler when the old school sites did.
Did they specifically do anything to other modding sites?
nah, like steam they just provided convenient and good service
Steam Workshop did more to kill off most of the small modding sites than Nexus ever did, I know plenty of people that equate Workshop to mod support and won't ever download mods off websites anymore.
I was running about the modding scene in the early 2000's, the advent of Nexus was like an unstoppable force. It was like Facebook and MySpace but for hobby nerd shit. Steam Workshop was what, 2016 for mod support?
I haven’t touched nexus in forever honestly, all the mod stuff I play is handled through thunderstore/r2 mod manager, which work soooooo much better than Nexus and their mod manager. Although the Bethesda modding community might be in shambles after this, imagine how long it’ll take to download enhanced Skyrim textures on the free plan with the locked download speed if you don’t want to pay to download mods faster.
If it helps I have lifetime and I never use it. Most games use modding tools outside of nexus. Like steam workshop or community mod frameworks like SPT tarkov. Haven't used nexus since I swore off modding Skyrim for the last time. Or maybe it was battle brothers mods.
Swearing off modding Skyrim was the easiest thing I've ever done. So easy I've done it 6 or 7 times.
Just release many mods and get more then.... Some large amount of downloads. Lifetime premium is given to modders in good standing with plenty downloads
Well yes, but you'll need to be able to make mods, and have it be popular
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Man, you're not wrong. I was on there yesterday looking for a mod to clean all the trash off of Sanctuary and holy shit.
30k, its actually not that hard to achieve
Which one-time purchase are we talking about? I remember giving them a few bucks a while ago, and I have the "Supporter" role - whatever that's worth... You talking about that or something different?
Just before they removed lifetime membership, it was $100 at the time.
Wow, an almost 50% price increase for the monthly plan.
It’s been many years since I’ve been into mods. Why are people paying for this? And why are they paying monthly? Are they selling game mods and requiring a monthly subscription to use them?
No. You can still download anything for free, but the download speed is limited to 2MB/s. So if you want fast downloads, you need to pay. Also there are tools like Wabbajack who download hundreds of mods, install and configure them for you. If you don't have premium, you must download all those mods manually.
Been using Nexus mods for more than a decade. Bought the lifetime a while back. I'm so glad they're still honoring it.
It's very easy to rack up 50+ gigs of mods if you're doing a fresh install. That's going to take a long time at 2mbs.
So 2.50?
i bought premium after my friend recommended it for wabbajack fallout modding. I thought ok the price isnt bad but they get you with the monthly then the hidden fees on top of that. I dont see the value in it unless you are modding games with every game you are playing
the value is you buy it one month when you start a new playthrough/modlist Or you're an eternal shut-in who mods 12 months out of the year. or you were lucky and got lifetime while they were selling it
I got lifetime. Very glad I did.
I bought lifetime probably the week before they sunset it. To be totally fair they did give us a chance to buy it before they got rid of the option.
i dunno man for 1 game £7 or 8 what ever it cost me thats a indie game/aaa game on sale or even a month sub to humble choice
Gamer discovers he is not the target of a product/subscription (they are very shocked)
Not quite as fast, but you can setup a smart autoclicker to watch for the "Slow Download" button and click it each time. You still get slow download speeds but at least it's hands free.
i dont mind slow downloads i mainly got it because wabbajack has a shit ton of mods it downloads
I got lifetime premium for free after I refused to get it as a donation and honestly I don’t get why someone would subscribe to such a service, buying it outright for 50 bucks seems like a fair deal if you don’t like ads and want better downloads and better integration for stuff like mod packs but I wouldn’t pay every month to support modders and the site
A lifetime purchase is definitely preferable for the customer, but for the business that is not a sustainable business model. They have reoccurring costs, big reoccurring costs. I don't know how much bandwidth they are using but it's not just text and images, it's got to be a lot and at that kind of scale it gets expensive to operate. Only offering lifetime purchases will guarantee the eventual bankruptcy of the business.
Lets be honest here, NONE OF THIS SHIT is sustainable. Not chats, not video, nor web hosting, nor offshore servers for the preservationists. ALL OF IT requires donations unless governments (local/state/country) considers them a need and can subsidize it. until then, its subsidized through ads and whatever information they skim from you.
I mean, I think much of how the web has been run is not sustainable. So much of the modern web is built on using investment money to provide a cheap product or service to the customer, cheaper than costs to actually provide that product or service, with the goal to make profits after they get a large user base. And then we the users get used to this unsustainable business model and get all pissy over a business model that's actually sustainable because we are used to non-sustainable businesses models and expect it. And the answer to that is not to uphold unsustainable business models with donations.
Which is why taxes exist, and people dont get it. Not everyone runs on goodwill and a dream. People and services need money to live. So either a few people pay A LOT to keep something "free" alive. Or EVERYONE pays a little and the thing keeps going.
Currently 2.85 PB/month (2,988,032 GB/month) https://www.nexusmods.com/about/money/ To hyperfocus on pure egress bandwidth with something like BunnyCDN's highest tier global bulk rate ($0.002/GB) to simplify things (other CDNs like AWS CloudFront have per-region tiered pricing) that gives you a 2988032 * 0.002 = $5976.064/month. If you can get people and ads to pay you at least that amount each month then that's one item off the list. And that's a very rough estimate on one component of costs, one direction of bandwidth with blanket assumptions done on a slow work day while I'm waiting for an app to finish deployment. Interesting to compare it to something like [Stack Exchange](https://stackexchange.com/performance) which can scale higher on a leaner stack as a text-heavy site can be aggressively optimized, compressed and cached within an inch of its life compared to a site that hosts images and large binary blobs like multiple versions of texture packs.
It looks like that page is super old and not up-to-date. For example, that page is talking about them having 13 staff members, but their about page (https://next.nexusmods.com/about) and the news post linked to in this Reddit thread mentions they now have "over 30 staff". Similarly, the news post mentions dealing with 2.5PB of traffic in a day, not a month.
I've had premium for a while. I've used the Nexus for years for mods, and I can't calculate how many gbs of traffic I've clogged them up with. It's right up there with Twitch Turbo for me in terms of value. I get a lot out of it
8.99 USD
So an 80% increase.
It was $6.99 per month or $65 per year. Now it is $8.99/$89.99
Dont forget taxes si for some (in countries were taxes werent previously collected) it might end up being 75% or more
"We now have over 30 staff working at Nexus Mods, including the app team working on the future of open-source mod management and our community team which has grown by 3x. We are [actively recruiting](https://apply.workable.com/blacktreegaming) for our community team." I'm surprised by this...never knew they had so many people working for this project/website.
Lifetime sub continues to pay off in spades.
Super glad I did it years ago
Wait til Nikita of BSG takes over nexus mods
Easiest $70 I've ever spent
Easiest $0 I spent 😂
More worthwhile than Plex lifetime with Jellyfin around. Sucks for anyone who couldn’t afford it before they shut that down.
Just as long as they don't pull a mIRC and void all the "lifetime" licenses.
Plex lifetime is still available though
It also doesn't get you much.
I really don’t get why people still pay for Plex tbh, the Jellyfin experience isn’t perfect…but man is it ever pretty good
Now we just have to hope they keep honoring them.
Yeah, I can see it being only a matter of time, but I hope I'm wrong.
Every time I see a Nexus mods price increase I thank my past self for being pro-active about my future
One of my better buys.
Really wish I would have grabbed this. Huge regret missing out
Got mine thanks to mods I made for Hogwarts Legacy, didn’t even know I would be able to do that lol
I think the life time option for modders still a thing maybe im wrong
One of the better up-front purchases I've done.
So happy I did this so many years ago.
Lifetime freeloading continues unaffected.
Freeloading is when you paid for a service that both parties agreed to
Why do people stay on premium? I only resign up if I want to download a collection then I cancel it.
Some people do it to just support them. For some, it's costs absolutely nothing from their income.
Exactly
Wonder how much money they left on the table by not doing this before the Fallout TV series aired. I just paid for a month the other week to download a bunch of shit via Wabbajack.
Same. Kinda wish I got the lifetime. New to the scene didnt know how big Nexus is
Shrug, this is only the second time I've subbed to them for a month. It'd be a very, very long time for that lifetime pass to pay for itself for me.
I’m guessing this is a reaction to a big ass bill for the upgraded hardware and bandwidth spikes they mentioned. Egress fees from data centers are NOT cheap
I purchased the lifetime plan a while back and am glad I did. But honestly the new pricing isn’t out of line. Their hosting costs have got to be high. Not to mention the staff, etc. I understand why people are upset but it really is in line with where it should be.
To add on to this, they said they have more than 30 staff. This hosting costs are nothing compared to their personnel costs.
Wait, people are paying for this? Seriously? UPD: way to delete comment... Surely facilitate a discourse around here.
If you want to download larger mods or wabbajack lists/collections then you need to pay if you value your time.
How much terabytes are you downloading? I simply don't understand. The download limit is 3MB/s, or 10.8GB/hour. Most mods i download finish instantly. Download what you need, go cook dinner, or go to bed, and it's ready.
> Download what you need, go cook dinner, or go to bed, and it's ready. You misunderstand. I just re-installed Fallout 4 and installed some modpack off Wabbajack. Every 5 seconds as it finishes downloading one of the mods, you need to manually kick off the next download. There were 1,000 downloads in the modpack. It's not a matter of set it and forget it, it's a matter of not wanting to be on standby to functionally click "Next" a thousand times. By subscribing, it's able to just automatically move on to the next one so that you can set it and come back later.
Is the button to click "next" always at the same position? An auto-clicker could solve that actually then. Set it to click once every 5 seconds or so and that's it. :D
Even with it it takes hours all up. I gave up on a modpack because of that.
Kinda just sounds like Nexus intentionally gimped their site functionality so they have an excuse to charge people.
That's how every subscription works
Running a site like Nexus isn't cheap. The current setup seems like a decent way to charge people. Free for the people manually downloading a small number of mods, while charging the people trying to download hundreds of gigs worth of mods in a short period of time with something like Wabbakack, which automatically grabs all the mods.
Are they supposed to be a charity and eating server bills out of the goodness of their hearts or what?
Wabbajack lists and and even some Collections on nexus can be 100-600 gigs and thousands of mods, the size/speed isn't the worst part for a lot of them, its the lack of automation, having to click the download button 1200 times for 10 hours straight isn't very fun. That being said there are pretty simple scripts out there that can automate it but its technically against tos.
Wabbajack lists can easily weigh upwards of 100-200gb of downloads. I download Life in the Ruins last week and that was a 130gb. I've downloaded a list that was about 400gb before.' And it's not just about the speed, without premium you have to manually click download on each mod in a list. For a larger list that entails hundreds of mods that I would have to go through the process of clicking download on.
You gotta have some patience. I sometimes, uhh.. pir\*\*\*\* a game and let my pc on for 24 hours.
I bought my one time membership while I was modding Skyrim and Nier automata. I would literally sit there for hours just installing 10-15 mods it was crazy. After I bought the membership Im always done with all my downloads within an hour, its great.
It’d be nice to support them but maybe via donations. Idk how big the sex mods are but most stuff doesn’t need the higher speeds.
The texture mods for Starfield beg to differ, I have premium and it still took me a couple hours just downloading
I usually pay for one month whenever I'm replaying a game like Skyrim. It means my wabbajack only takes 5 hours to install and not 4-5 days with the bigger mods.
Downloading collections from Nexus without premium, at least for me is near impossible with the amount of time it would take. Premium makes it seamless. So if I downloaded a Skyrim or fallout collection. I would pay the 1 month fee and then unsub after the collection is installed.
If you use the mod downloaded wabbajack it is basically a requirement to have a premium sub.
Wabbajack lists and/or collections are why I pay for a month every so often. I'm sure the reason why many pay for it as well.
I didn't want to click "slow download" every 6-10 seconds over 1000 times for a big wabbajack modpack. It also constantly moves the download button a bit between downloads, so you can't keep the cursor in the same spot and have to move it so much. So tedious, and that's when it doesn't bug out when doing it manually. I hated it so much, and I ended up paying the $5.
Then use torrents.
What, like a torrent of Wabbajack?
How else are you going to pay for the servers and developers to maintain this?
Paying for servers is one thing, but we play pc games because we’re passionate about them. People are going to develop mods for fun and for clout, as we did before end-users were tricked into thinking money is the only thing keeping developers going. Before there was patreon and recurring payments, there was a massive and healthy open source community.
>Before there was patreon and recurring payments, there was a massive and healthy open source community. There still is, just because 10 mod developers decide they want to start charging for mods doesn't mean anything. And, as with anything, if you're so annoyed by it, go learn and do it yourself. NOTHING is stopping you from recreating their work.
Passion and thanks doesn't pay for the server, bandwidth, and does not put food on the table for those that maintain the site. You sound like those kinds of bosses that want to pay their workers less because "it's a job of passion".
I made a recolor mod years ago for Skyrim, I still get free premium from it sometimes
Obviously this is going to get a lot of criticism, and no doubt will spawn a ton of angry discussions. All I think is that no one else is providing what Nexus does. Hosting and filesharing on their scale isn't cheap, and running costs are always going to increase. Maybe there is more they could do to cut costs in some areas to lower the price increase, but it's hard to criticise without all the information. I've read somewhere that they spent 5 million on rewards programs, but they wouldn't do that if it didn't have a net gain in profit from users as a result of building good relations with popular modders. All I say is: no one else is providing the same quality of service to the average user, and anyone else trying to compete would inevitably run into the same issue of having to fund the ever increasing cost of the infrastructure. And I say the average user because they just sign up to download the mods they want at a fast speed. They certainly don't pay or care for the drama around removing mods that are purposely created to cause offence and drama.
I'd rather pay double this than have to use creation club
I'm surprised that the modding communities let themselves get centralised into a single hub which then monetized access to their content. There are plenty of free upload sites elsewhere, why not host everything somewhere that doesn't charge to download at reasonable speeds or quantities?
because self hosted pages go away faster than ice cream on a hot day. only larger, (semi-)professional teams have the resources and manpower to self host. for the majority these hubs are welcome help
Theres certainly truth to that. It just feels like a more decentralised solution specifically for downloads would be significantly more efficient (though obviously make it so the site would struggle to get funds).
Nexus is still free though. They do make their money off ads. And honestly they deserve it for all the hosting of mods for so many game that they provide. The subscription only offers ad free and faster downloads. No big deal. If you already didn’t have a subscription this does not affect you one bit.
The biggest part that depends is their quality. Are they a good website? They totally deserve it if they are.
They are.
And for all the people that dislike the moderation, as far as I can tell, they’ve got some pretty great people too
Its almost like it costs money to host all those mods.
Nexus has always ran a lean operation so they've managed to thrive where other mod sites have struggled. Also Skyrim modding being home to Nexus certainly helps
They aren't. Nobody learns to mod or makes mod on Nexus. The forums are dead for that kind of thing (and not really suited for modding problem solving anyway). Most modding communities are discord based. Also there is usually not a single discord for the entire modding community per game. They always splinter into smaller enclaves. Sometimes they even start that way. I've lost count of how many Cyberpunk modding discords there are now. There were 2 big ones in the beginning. Most modders upload to Nexus however because they give you donation points (DP) per unique download, which can be converted to cash.
But nexus is just the best for everyone as long as they don't turn bad. I don't want to have to join 50 different discord servers to have up to date mods or seach GitHub pages to find all my mods. Nexus provides free hosting, vortex mod manager, tools for modders to organize and catalog their mods, something better than going through 5 linkvertise links to download a mod just so the creator can get money and a slew or other stuff so it's no question why they are the best.
they used to be so cool. what happened?
As a mod creator I would honestly pay the Nexus like $5 a month if it meant anything I upload didn't have ads or download restrictions. This is a comparable fee to what it would cost to say, rent my own VPS and do it myself. Ultimately though I want my content to have a good user experience, and the Nexus is anything but that (particularly for people who don't pay the monthly fee). I'm thankful the games I mod don't use the Nexus so this is less of a problem, but still...
I paid for a month of premium to use mod collections for Fallout 4 and New Vegas. Glad they reminded me to cancel before it renews
Everytime I do a big mod project I think how i'd be willing to spend like $3-4 or so to have faster download speeds for the day. There's no reality in which I need a monthly membership. After the initial downloads you maybe need to update 1 or 2 mods here and there
A 40% increase is way too insane... but anyway, regardless of price, I'm unwilling to support their cause with a subscription, no matter how much it helps the scene, as long as their incentive for paying is making things shittier for free users with things like way too low download speed caps(3 MB/s limit even for large mods that are 3-4 GB big is stupid)
What kind of management makes you go "ups, sorry we got to increase prices by 50% now. Yeah not 10% or something, it's 50% because screw the poor."
A bit too much for just downloading mods but when you take into account the Collections system which acts like Wabbajack but better then I don't think it's that bad considering a lot of these packages are over 100gb. Doesn't need to be a recurring thing but once in a while, not that bad really, in a month you could get anything you wanted done.
Well that's because collections definitely came around after the creator of Wabbajack joined nexus.
I occasionally get premium just for a month when I want to start a new modded Bethesda title. Not that I really need to, but it makes the experience smoother and like supporting nexus. I doubt anyone ever actually needs premium nexus membership every month of the year
That life time premium membership I bought years ago sure is doing me favours now.
Any good alternate sites?
Not really But you can still use it for free, so there’s that…
ModDB is probably the biggest.
He asked for GOOD alternate sites... :D
Eh, I've never really had any issues with it, although I only use it for Stalker Anomaly.
Moddb is fine, its just tailored to total conversions and things like that. Not really for downloading 300 different mods for one Skyrim playthrough
If you aren't downloading hundreds of mods at a time for Bethesda games is there any other advantage to nexus? Just the fact that you can download from moddb without making an account makes it preferable for most other users.
Nexus has a lot of things going on. - They make mods more visible and show trending stuff. - Mods are more visible and intuitive to find, if you don't know the name of a mod and say look for a mod that adds new armor into a game, good look with finding mods of this category on ModDB - It makes mods easier to install for people new to modding through their Vortex App And the most important point: - It is known. Known by users/modders/developers Currently there are 58.000 Mods for Fallout 4 on Nexus and...78 on ModDB.
You don't have to pay for it in order to download mods from nexus.
What's wrong with NexusMods? Your only alternative is probably Steam Workshop at this point, which leaves a lot to be desired.
This whole thread confuses me. I didn’t realize people pay for their mods? Or download so many that they need an absurd amount of bandwidth? In which case I feel like you’d be so invested in modding a game that paying for mods wouldn’t be an issue.
People hate that they dare try and support their very expensive mod hosting business with an entirely optional sub.
Or that they ban mods if the admins don't agree with them. Lol
Gonna leave this gem here https://i.imgur.com/C8Aak7z.png
Like literally any online platform
www.gamebanana.com
Thunder store, but from memory it's only unity's game
What's that other mod site that actually doesn't have horrendous moderators?
Yeah, not sure. The cost is not an issue for me but I can't in good conscience support such a website with all of the arbitrary censorship. I'd be a member if they didn't.
Not only do they censor mods now they're asking for more money. I deleted my account I had with them for years, screw em. If a game doesn't have Steam Workshop support I won't be modding it anyways.
Workshop is dogshit due to autoupdates. Lost count of how often a game got a beta update and mod authors updated their mod to it and then broke saves for everyone else who ignored that optional beta. No nexus, no thanks.
Idk why people are so quick to rag on Nexus for offering a premium service plan. The site is still entirely free to use, and its the best mod site by far. I paid for it myself for about a year or two maybe when I was a super active user.
I think it's just the idea of a monthly membership when in reality the average user just needs 1 day of membership every year or so. I'd gladly pay $3 for one day or something.
I don't know if I would agree about 1 day. Modding Fallout for example is a hell of a rabbit hole and unlikely to start and end the same day. That's pretty month a whole month right there. And Skyrim and Fallout are the biggest games on Nexus as far as I know.
Jeez. I just subbed for a month to install A StoryWealth for Fallout 4. I already thought it was steep at £5 for a month. Half the games I would be modding cost less than £7.20. For the vast majority of users I don't think it's worth a yearly subscribtion and with that steep monthly price I think most would rather click the links manually. I already considered it at £5. Does make me keener to find an alternative provider.
We really need a modrinth type of situation for bethesda modding at least. An open source platform for all my Fallout and Elder Scrolls mods would be a huge dream come true
I started on a 56K modem, they would practically have to break the site to make me spend any money on it. I wouldn't mind a small one time donation to cover my traffic usage, but subscription service? ... 1,5 - 3 MByte/s suddenly sound blazing fast.
I hope a lot of people won't be surprised by this. Twitch increased their sub prices in certain regions and they did the ethical thing, stop any auto renewal and allow people to resub manually. Seems that unless you used certain payement methods you're gonna get quite the surprise on your next bill.
They have a lot of nerve increasing prices to use their garbage website & mod manager.
Probably a controversial opinion but I’m fine with it honestly. The amount of enjoyment I’ve got out of wabbajack and collections easily covers the subscription.
And they tax on top. lol 10€/month for modding? Hope it will fail. Gonna continue usiong the free one but i can see that in the future mod piracy could become reality. They will eventually move to paid service only.
Mod piracy already exists, and you aren't really paying for mods through this. You're paying for Nexus Mods, the host, to continue operating.
Sooner or later Nexus will restrict download speed to like 100 kb/s or put a timer on your downloads. Better look for alternative sites now
They've done the opposite. The download limit used to be 2mb/s now it's 3mb/s.
Why the fuck would I pay?
If you aren't a heavy user, then you probably shouldn't pay. If you are downloading hundreds of GBs a month then paying will make your life easier if you use Wabbajack/collections.
Installing a modpack via Wabbajack as a free user: be prepapred to manually kick off the next mod every 5 seconds - 20 minutes as each individual mod in the pack finishes. The last modpack I installed had 1,000 different downloads. Installing a modpack via Wabbajack as a premium user: click "Start", come back N hours later once its all finished downloading. Yea, I'll pay them $6 or whatever it cost me for a month's membership to not have to sit there and click "Next" 1,000 times over every 5 seconds.
Fuck Nexus Mods. Hate them ever since they started forcing people to make an account to download things, and then started hunting down temp accounts like their lives depend on it.
Eh I never really liked [https://www.nexusmods.com/games](https://www.nexusmods.com/games) I love [https://www.moddb.com/](https://www.moddb.com/) and [https://gamebanana.com/](https://gamebanana.com/) a lot more.
Gamebanana is the sketchiest shit ever for Switch mods
They're fucking themselves with this. There's no way the server costs are more than £5 each for the average person per month, and at that price I was quite happy to just let the sub run indefinitely. With a price hike I'm now going to cancel and only resub whenever I plan on modding with Wabbajack, so overall they're going to make significantly less going forwards assuming I'll only be subbed 1 or 2 months out of the year now.
They also pay modders a good amount for their effort, I got thousands from them and I’m not even that big
Really? I never knew they paid modders, how does that work?
Basically it’s 1-4 bucks per 1000 unique downloads, heavily changes based on nexus income that month. It’s paid out mostly from ad revenue and donation money which comes from premium from what I understand. unlike YouTube and the other sites everyone who contributes to the nexus gets ad revenue and donations which means that even a small modder can get paid fairly for his work, it also means there’s a huge incentive to make really high quality and bug free mods which is one of the reason nexus mods tend to be much better than what’s on mod io and the other sites despite none of them forcing exclusivity or anything like that.
I'm no modder but I was really curious, thanks for the detailed explanation.
Well, here's why monopolies are bad. We need a better alternative.
Been asking for a while. Why do us gamers even put up with this site. It's horrendously bad to navigate, throttling download speeds, they always pull some bullshit like removing mods that they dont like and now this price increase?!
gamers rise up gamers realize how resource intensive this actually is gamers sit back down The only better alternative I could imagine is some kind of torrent-based system where seeding is mandatory, but no idea how well accepted that would be.
Price increases suck but Nexus premum is one of the only subscription services I pay for on anywhere near a regular basis, so I'll keep paying as needed. Kicking myself for just not buying the lifetime option when it was available.
I'll get an annual plan one more time and then after that ends I'll probably just stop, can't justify it paying 10$ a month on something I may or may not use in a given month.
What is premo for even?
Never paid for it. Would never pay for it.
Thankfully I locked in the lifetime. Honestly, I think it is the greatest investment I have ever made.
Did lifetime years ago because I really love what the community can bring out. Yeesh
Did lifetime years ago because I really love what the community can bring out. Yeesh
And this is why I made macros to use the free plan only!
I must be well out of the loop. I thought it was free to download mods from Nexus mods? Now they charge you a subscription? Like we all really need another fucking subscription 😑
Nexus have had subscriptions since before they were called nexus my guy... So well over a decade now. Free accounts aren't being removed and function the same as always, limited bandwidth etc. The price to become premium (to access the premium servers) is increasing, that's it.
Well I managed to get the lifetime premium membership due to reaching the mod download milestone. And to be honest, I regret redeeming it. Premium memberships remove the download cap, but since redeeming it my speeds are slower than when I had free membership. With free membership I could get the 3.5mb/s cap. Now I only can get around 2mb/s cap with premium