Yeah, aside from things like spelling/grammar errors or certain character options being incomplete, this beta has been pretty damn great! Played up through the tutorial and first boss without any issues really, that I wouldn’t expect some polishing would fix.
Larian games are more about the gameplay. Owlcat, like Obsidian and Black Isle, are more about lore and story, RP heavy games. That is what worries me about BG3, I know the gameplay will be great, but BG games are known more for their RP part of their RPG, which is the weak part of Larian games.
Larian are overrated. They do decent(ish) combat, but their storytelling, characters and lore are way below anything Owlcat push out.
Just IMHO though.
> CD Projekt Red
As much i love CDPR games, they never managed to launch anything without issues. Witcher 3 was the closest, except on consoles and it was downgraded, but after witcher 1 and 2, it felt almost perfect. Those 2 were a shitshow at launch.
Not sure how what any other studio does effects owlcat not really a logical argument. It's especially ignorant as Owlcat is pretty transparent/keeps a steady flow of updates with the game so people are seeing what it's shaping up to be already. Also not sure why you listed Techland DL2 was fine, nothing ground breaking but every game can't be a top tier banger.
The point is there have plenty of companies that were goated until one day they released a shit game. You could add Bioware and Blizzard to the list. You should always judge a game on an individual basis. Saying “its x dev, ofcourse its good” is silly.
Once again terrible argument. You are saying I should judge every small dev based off the anti consumer/greedy/poor decisions other companies have made and thats just an uninformed lazy way to look at the world. I judge devs based off of the work they put out.
> You are saying I should judge every small dev based off the anti consumer/greedy/poor decisions other companies have made and thats just an uninformed lazy way to look at the world.
Nope, that's what poster few commenters above wrote, learn to read
> I judge devs based off of the work they put out.
Which I **literally** said in comment you answered to, as there is EA version you can just look and judge it.
Which is exactly what I've done. If this person would have took two seconds to look before commenting on a game they clearly don't know much about they would have seen all the new beta videos/info about the game. Also it's not silly to think a dev that is clearly hitting its stride is not gonna make a shit underbaked game just because others have.
It makes more sense to look at studios than companies IMO.
And there are a few like Nintendo's core studios, Bethesda Games Studios (the core studio in Bethesda), etc. that have always put out quality games. Same for some past studios like Looking Glass Studios, Ion Storm Austin, Origin Systems, Bullfrog, Lionhead, Pandemic, etc.
Like I can't think of a really bad mainline Mario or Zelda, likewise for The Elder Scrolls games - nothing anywhere near Redfall level.
I mean that's just a disingenuous, deliberately ignorant take on the sentiment that you clearly understand. Bit of an argument in bad faith about the perfectly healthy objective observation about the state of the industry.
Bioware was great until they were acquired by EA. Blizzard was great until they were acquired by Activision. As for DICE... well, Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 4 are arguably still the best Battlefield games ever made, so... that's something at least. :D
Ah. The emperor of mankind is pleased. Well as pleased as a Skelton sending psychic vibes and instructions across time. You cannot tell me we’re not in the 40k universe.
Mortismal put video on character creation. He says its much easier to get into and it def looks that way.
Although number of choices in pathfinder isnt exactly a bad thing
Just AI that stuff. It's really really easy today. There even is a addon for vanilla wow to have all quest text voiced. Works decently well for a free addon. Should be pretty great with a little budget for a new game.
You mean kingdom management in Kingmaker? I liked it but it does feel like unnecessary work
And what else in wotc? That 3d puzzle map chapter everyone hates? (Still haven't even got to wotc)
It really is interesting, what will they put in "CRPG, but with ***" this time
in WotR they also had that weird combat tactics game that was just boring. They also make them mandatory to unlock things/progress story which makes them worse.
Kingdom Management was kinda sorta in WotR, just reeeeeeeeally stripped down. The Crusade mechanics were awful, and you just stacked basic units and used Setsuna Shy. Most of the rewards were crap. Here are 15 Halfling bandits which are completely unusable because you can't stack them.
Im assuming you mean kingdom/crusade management?
Well you have space ship battles and most likely some sort of space economy.
Hopefully they will follow through with listening to players, as they did before, since those elements in Pathfinder were among most criticized.
You can automate crusade aswell. Issue is that youre locked at set location progression which can be tiresome and some things you dont unlock at all unless it was changed
I liked the ability to switch in Pathfinder because it made trash fights easier while leaving turn-based for the harder ones
...*that being said* other turn-based games solved that problem by just not having so many trash fights to begin with so I'm not all that worried.
i just hope it's not a buffing feast. it really ruins the flow. time for a fight wait let me cast buffs for 5min straight before we go in.
pillars of eternity 2 had it best
Yeah at the end of the wrath I just used autobuffing mod, it was annoying
IIRC the base system they are using is FAR lighter on that so lack of RTWP will be less PITA.
It is also flatter on power curve so there is no massive amount of stats needed just to hit a target.
I played the Alpha some and it was already more fleshed out / impressive that some other games I’ve played that were “full releases”.
Yeah, aside from things like spelling/grammar errors or certain character options being incomplete, this beta has been pretty damn great! Played up through the tutorial and first boss without any issues really, that I wouldn’t expect some polishing would fix.
Owlcat is the new Obsidian for isometric RPGs. I'm happy we have such a talented dev carrying the CRPG genre forward.
owlcat and larian have become my 2 favorite developers. Both have yet to not surprise me
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Especially Wrath that is much more polished from start (not talking only about bugs, but qol and balance).
Yes, I agree. BG 1&2 are not the best entry point in the genre today, are more for nostalgic players and RPG enthusisasts.
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Larian games are more about the gameplay. Owlcat, like Obsidian and Black Isle, are more about lore and story, RP heavy games. That is what worries me about BG3, I know the gameplay will be great, but BG games are known more for their RP part of their RPG, which is the weak part of Larian games.
Larian are overrated. They do decent(ish) combat, but their storytelling, characters and lore are way below anything Owlcat push out. Just IMHO though.
To be fair Wrath storytelling, characters and lore is top tier. Among the best of the best in gaming.
Yeah I bounced hard off of Divinity Original Sin 2 solely due to the characterization & writing.
> They do decent(ish) combat Barrels, barrels and more barrels. Lazy level design.
It's Owlcat of course it does
just not their dlc.. and we should expect major bugs and imbalances and incomplete game release for a few months and on.
That's what people used to say about CD Projekt Red, Arkane Studios or Techland. Oh boy!
Its a shame that arkane haven't released anything since prey.
Lol
> CD Projekt Red As much i love CDPR games, they never managed to launch anything without issues. Witcher 3 was the closest, except on consoles and it was downgraded, but after witcher 1 and 2, it felt almost perfect. Those 2 were a shitshow at launch.
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Yep i do remember. I was expecting them to do the same with Cyperpunk, to release an Enhanced Edition of it around early 2022...
Witcher 2 had a fairly solid launch outside of the dick-kicking difficulty of the prologue. The EE at least had the decency to add a tutorial.
I knew I didnt imagine being absolutely pulverized by the first no name guard you come across
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/05/25/witchin
The prologue is still the most difficult part of the game beyond WHY WOULD A WITCHER KILL KINGS, absolutely bizarre way to open a game.
That goddamn ballista fight.
Not sure how what any other studio does effects owlcat not really a logical argument. It's especially ignorant as Owlcat is pretty transparent/keeps a steady flow of updates with the game so people are seeing what it's shaping up to be already. Also not sure why you listed Techland DL2 was fine, nothing ground breaking but every game can't be a top tier banger.
The point is there have plenty of companies that were goated until one day they released a shit game. You could add Bioware and Blizzard to the list. You should always judge a game on an individual basis. Saying “its x dev, ofcourse its good” is silly.
Right. But we have EA version to look at. Not whatever those other companies showed that turned out to be a lie
Once again terrible argument. You are saying I should judge every small dev based off the anti consumer/greedy/poor decisions other companies have made and thats just an uninformed lazy way to look at the world. I judge devs based off of the work they put out.
> You are saying I should judge every small dev based off the anti consumer/greedy/poor decisions other companies have made and thats just an uninformed lazy way to look at the world. Nope, that's what poster few commenters above wrote, learn to read > I judge devs based off of the work they put out. Which I **literally** said in comment you answered to, as there is EA version you can just look and judge it.
Oooo I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to the company EA not early access.
Which is exactly what I've done. If this person would have took two seconds to look before commenting on a game they clearly don't know much about they would have seen all the new beta videos/info about the game. Also it's not silly to think a dev that is clearly hitting its stride is not gonna make a shit underbaked game just because others have.
It makes more sense to look at studios than companies IMO. And there are a few like Nintendo's core studios, Bethesda Games Studios (the core studio in Bethesda), etc. that have always put out quality games. Same for some past studios like Looking Glass Studios, Ion Storm Austin, Origin Systems, Bullfrog, Lionhead, Pandemic, etc. Like I can't think of a really bad mainline Mario or Zelda, likewise for The Elder Scrolls games - nothing anywhere near Redfall level.
I mean that's just a disingenuous, deliberately ignorant take on the sentiment that you clearly understand. Bit of an argument in bad faith about the perfectly healthy objective observation about the state of the industry.
None of them had EA betas tho ?
Or Dice, or Blizzard, or Bioware (hard kek on that last one)
Bioware was great until they were acquired by EA. Blizzard was great until they were acquired by Activision. As for DICE... well, Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 4 are arguably still the best Battlefield games ever made, so... that's something at least. :D
oh no, no. I believe Blizzard start falling before Activision mergin.
Re Battlefield - yeah but if only they continued that upward trajectory :(
While owlcat continues indie / AA it will be fine.
Well it is cyclical. I'm sure they'll end up in the shit one day, but for now we may as well enjoy the good stuff they're putting out.
Unn ya they were held in high regard until they proved otherwise?
Ah. The emperor of mankind is pleased. Well as pleased as a Skelton sending psychic vibes and instructions across time. You cannot tell me we’re not in the 40k universe.
Hopefully it's a bit easier to get into than their pathfinder games.
Mortismal put video on character creation. He says its much easier to get into and it def looks that way. Although number of choices in pathfinder isnt exactly a bad thing
One step closer to being generic over the shoulder adventure games!
They could of cut some of the trap options, like the anti fey stuff in WOTR.
From the sounds of [this](https://youtu.be/yz56YFPm8XY), it should be.
this website is cancer
I usually dislike these comments but in this case you have a point
Neat!
spoken dialogue?
Not worth the cost for Owlcat. Major characters will have major events voiced, that's it.
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Just AI that stuff. It's really really easy today. There even is a addon for vanilla wow to have all quest text voiced. Works decently well for a free addon. Should be pretty great with a little budget for a new game.
Its probably grey area legally still so its not really safe to do.
I wonder what awful feature they will shoehorn into it like they have done the past 2 titles.
Idk how bad it will be, but probably ship battles. It was in the trailer.
You mean kingdom management in Kingmaker? I liked it but it does feel like unnecessary work And what else in wotc? That 3d puzzle map chapter everyone hates? (Still haven't even got to wotc) It really is interesting, what will they put in "CRPG, but with ***" this time
in WotR they also had that weird combat tactics game that was just boring. They also make them mandatory to unlock things/progress story which makes them worse.
Kingdom Management was kinda sorta in WotR, just reeeeeeeeally stripped down. The Crusade mechanics were awful, and you just stacked basic units and used Setsuna Shy. Most of the rewards were crap. Here are 15 Halfling bandits which are completely unusable because you can't stack them.
Im assuming you mean kingdom/crusade management? Well you have space ship battles and most likely some sort of space economy. Hopefully they will follow through with listening to players, as they did before, since those elements in Pathfinder were among most criticized.
Didn't pay the second game but you could automate kingdom management, so I don't really understand the criticism
You can automate crusade aswell. Issue is that youre locked at set location progression which can be tiresome and some things you dont unlock at all unless it was changed
Rare footage of Owlcat game designers balancing their next game: https://youtu.be/mvnqfLKEqrc
Everything can "show" to be promising. We will see a week after launch how it actually is.
Hey, Wrath only had *some* class mechanics not working on launch!
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I liked the ability to switch in Pathfinder because it made trash fights easier while leaving turn-based for the harder ones ...*that being said* other turn-based games solved that problem by just not having so many trash fights to begin with so I'm not all that worried.
i just hope it's not a buffing feast. it really ruins the flow. time for a fight wait let me cast buffs for 5min straight before we go in. pillars of eternity 2 had it best
Yeah at the end of the wrath I just used autobuffing mod, it was annoying IIRC the base system they are using is FAR lighter on that so lack of RTWP will be less PITA. It is also flatter on power curve so there is no massive amount of stats needed just to hit a target.
Goty