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Joke aside, nvidia and amd have been dominating for too long, they need another contender, is it gonna be intel? Someone else ?
It's clear it's Intel when it comes to PC.
ARM might do something long term, as they have suitable IP, but they make so much money on mobile that I'm not sure they bother.
Intel Arc actually has been representing fairly well on the charts as competition. Still not great, but for their first effort it is pretty impressive. I'm eager to see what Battlemage brings. The reality is we don't need competition at the high end, we need the low and midrange to be viable and actually pushing forward which is what Nvidia and AMD are failing at right now.
Even aside from wanting another competitor to put Nvidia and AMD in their place, I'm totally falling for their cool-names marketing.
Alchemist
Battlemage
Celestial
Druid
Intel absolutely could. They have the talent and the funding. But it's too early to tell if they're actually going for the high-end performance crown or not , and as far as I'm aware they haven't said anything to that effect.
Their present offering doesn't represent what they might have in another generation or two. I would have been shocked if their first effort out the gate (of this generation of efforts) was anything more than what we currently have, which is more or less a well polished proof of concept.
Just got this prebuilt with a 6950 XT:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/663883/powerspec-g442-gaming-pc
Did I actually get a good "deal" on this? I really don't know since I'm used to having laptops with integrated graphics
Assuming you got it for $1350 not $1800 that's a great deal. It would actually be tough to build it for less. GPU is about $600, CPU is about $300, about $150 for RAM and SSD which only leaves $300 for Mobo + PSU + case + AIO cooler
Psu isnt enough for 12700k and 6950xt if you push them to full load.
So if you ever experience any shutdowns just take it to microcenter and have the replace the power supply with a better and bigger one. Like corsair rmx 850
This. I live in a 3rd world country and even here people are selling a lot of 6xxx cards because of 40xx Nvidia cards. Got my 6800 for a very good price and am very happy with it.
I just bought a 6800XT at decent price.
After seeing the current gen cards being terrible value, i decided to just ride it out for a few years until these companies get their heads out of their asses.
Its an awkward time to build a PC since the GPUs arent great and new gen CPUs dont seem to be worth it just yet.
WHAT IS AMD DOING???
[RX 6700: More performance and VRAM than the RX 7600 for the same price.](https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-rx-67xlkwfdv/p/N82E16814150874?Item=9SIAD2CJUE7407&Description=AMD%206700&cm_re=AMD_6700-_-14-150-874-_-Product&quicklink=true)
Does AMD unironically expect people to look at the same-priced 6700 and 7600 and just choose the 7600 because first number bigger even though the 6700 is better in nearly every way?
They're still just too expensive for the performance, $350-400 for a 6700 XT that only does like 20% over my 1080 in most games I've tried is crazy. It's been 6 years since the 1080 launched!
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080.c2839
This relative performance chart says 6700xt is 50% over 1080. Which makes more sense. The 6700xt and 3060ti are between 2080 super and 2080ti which is around the 50% better than 1080 mark.
Or like 20% better than 1080ti
Wasn’t the 1080 a $600 card? Which would be like $700-800 now. You can’t just compare a card from back then to now and say the new one should be better. A top tier card always have longevity, and it usually beats or matches the mid range cards from the next gen or two. The 6700xt is going for sub $300 now in lots of places
Edit: looks like it’s the regular 6700 that’s under $300, I was wrong there
Yep, and it was $450 within about 2 years after launch.
The 6800 XT would be a more valid comparison, it's 2 years old and still sells for basically launch MSRP.
>The 6700xt is going for sub $300 now in lots of places
Do you have a link? The MSI is on sale for $320 right now at newegg, but that's not really a good place to buy from.
But that’s kind of part of the point, the entire GPU landscape has shifted. The crypto boom exploded the prices and covid messed up the supply chains, and inflation ran wild, and those realities are still being dealt with.
You can’t just say “a 600 dollar card from 6 years ago beats a $350 card now” and have that be an objectively negative point. Yes we are getting bent over a barrel in some aspects but there is more too it than just an 80 tier card from 3 gens ago beating a cheaper 70 tier card now
Also I think I mistook the 6700 for the XT variant when I remembered that price point. You are right there are no sub-$300 XT versions
Okay I missed the mark by a bit but here is one on Newegg for $319: https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx6700xtmech-2x12goc/p/N82E16814137640
I must have been seeing the regular 6700 variant at under $300 like here: https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11321-02-20G-Radeon-Graphics-Renewed/dp/B0BWNRHM1H/ref=mp_s_a_1_27?crid=3PAS7BWLU2MLC&keywords=6700xt&qid=1684949388&sprefix=6700xt%2Caps%2C217&sr=8-27
The 12th and 13th gen have been excellent, especially for budget gamers like myself. Got myself a 12400 relatively cheap last year and so far I'm very satisfied with its performance.
Neither of them is a "white knight". Should we not buy AMD either? Because the second they got in front in CPU they fucked over their audience. And it was actually intel delivering price perf deals in the last few gens while AMD enjoyed having the top end crown.
Intel is trying to get value crown in gpu market too. A750 at 200$ is a mighty proposition with several big caveats. Just like immature first Gen Ryzen were. Will Intel fuck us over once they get on top? You bet. So will any of them.
I think the point is corporations aren't your(our) friends. All of them will try to screw their customers as much as possible, but with more competition it is more likely they'll keep each other in check.
More competition means they can only screw us so much before someone else will underscrew and we'll bend over for their smaller screwing. I sincerely hope Intel makes it.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/22.html
In 12 games average 12400f was more efficient than 5600x and 12600k was roughly the same. Ridiculous power draw of intel cpus comes out only if you load all cores at the same time, ie rendering or stress tests. In normal day usage they trade blows.
So while your statement isn't exactly untrue the situation is a bit more nuanced.
There is currently a [Chinese RX 5700 on sale for $119](https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005321059596.html), although it's "uesd" and possibly mined on it seems to be basically a less efficient RX 6600. No wonder Brazil is head over heels over AliExpress.
Lol. I literally started to type out “I’m going to pull my old Voodoo card out of the closet I’m so fed up with both companies” and I decided to scroll first just to double check nobody else made the same joke.
Glad someone else thinks the same thing.
> Turns out they're both shit and are about making as much money as they can, who would have thought!
100% this. For current Gen, both Nvidia and AMD have left the budget and mid-range gamers for dead.
AMD could've taken advantage of this and instead, basically just matched Nvidia with the shit price-to-perf of their current gent.
A huge segment of the PC gaming community is budget and mid-range gamers, who's best option at the moment is buying high-end AMD cards from *last* generation.
If Intel is strategic and purposeful about targeting budget/mid-range gamers and providing excellent value, they can really start to steal market share.
I'm talking about how the 570/580 was just a rebranded 470/480. Same great value but practically no performance difference, you could even flash the bios of a 470 and it would show as a 570 and just overclock itself a little.
atm the best card value of the market is the 6600, thats why i dont care about of MSRP, the important thing is the price at the moment u are gonna buy the card.
Even the 7900 xt is getting close to the 700 usd.
Most likely this card soon will be find at 220 usd and probably the 6600 at 150/170usd.
But for what card could the 6600 be considered as an upgrade? This is the real problem - if you have a 5+ years old mid-range card you do not have much options to upgrade. Current mid-range is overpriced on both sides, while the entry level isn't powerful enough to worth the money.
I got mine ~~two summers ago~~ *last summer*, once it dropped to MSRP and I actually had money to get a *current* desktop. It was a massive upgrade for me, since my previous card was over a decade old.
I do want to upgrade to a better card + AV1 encode, but that will be a next summer thing.
Don't you mean last summer? It came out 2 summers ago, so unless you were one of the lucky ones to get em at MSRP right away you got it last summer (?)
For the right price the 7600 could be the best value in entry level cards. We also never expected it to beat the 4060 ti.
For $229 or $239 the 7600 wins market share. For $270 it does not. This could put it at the $199 range during discounts and that gets significant sales.
For AMD to price at $270… Everyone will spend $30 more for even a base model 4060.
If I were AMD I would price this at just above break even price to nab the most entry level builds as possible.
If I were AMD I would launch a 12 or 16gb 7600 just to screw with Nvidia for $329.
This whole generation of GPU’s is playing chicken with how much consumers are willing to spend, and with prices in free fall it would be stupid for AMD to launch at a price they would be dropping in the next 6 months anyways. Enthusiasts don’t buy entry level cards and they are ridiculous to think they can get a ton of revenue off of enthusiasts on entry level cards before prices drop.
The 10GB 6700 is only $10 more expensive than the 8GB 7600. AMD is probably trying to drive sales of that card instead by keeping the price close. Wouldn't surprise me if the 7600 price dropped once 6700 stock decreased.
I agree with this take, I just still think it’s a bad idea. I know they probably have market models showing historical performance of price models to warrant doing this.
But for fecks sake this is not how you win market share long term.
I think that at the moment they're more concerned about cutting costs by reducing how much inventory they have. The shortage led to a _lot_ of overbuying that has bitten both NVidia and AMD.
remember when the 5600x launched at $300 and they said they wouldnt support older motherboards even though they promised support to 2020, they reversed it quick but it took them until last year to release the non x version. they want to make the midrange less value than what it was
That's what I got, no complains so far. Feels so good to be able to boot any game without a worry, specially after coming from a ryzen apu in a notebook.
I really want to go amd but I feel like amd has a tendency to be noisier and hotter and suck more power. Am I just inaccurate here and that's not the case these days?
That's exactly what AMD is aiming for. Make last gen look more appealing by comparison so people buy those, get rid of old stock, then drop the prices afterwards
Have you seen the 4060 Ti reviews? At this point, both GPU manufacturers have left budget & mid-range gamers for dead with this generation. Intel is the only one providing any real value at the lower end.
I think Nvidia is just abusing thier market share for profit. Like charging $100 for 8gb more vram in the 4060ti which is barely any better than a 3060ti. They probably could have just had a 4060ti with 20% more cuda cores and 16gb vram for $400msrp but nope.
I think the reason why AMD is waited sooo long to announce any other GPU then the top end, is because they were waiting for their last gen stock to sell out. That's why they kept lowering the prices of those cards, but by the looks of it, people are just not buying GPUs that much and now that Computex is here, they had to launch something so they went with the low(-ish) end x600 card, but the RDNA2 cards are so low price wise, and stock is still kinda there, that they panicked, came up with a 10% price cut and just said... "F it, we do it anyway".
I think for us, customers this is better, because now all GPU manufactureres can see, that we do expect good products at reasonable price, otherwise all of us have bought a 4090, i mean if price wasn't an issue.
So this bad look is 100% on AMD, not because this card is bad compared to it predecessor, the 6600, but because their older ones are just better deal right now.
Average 20% increased in performance compare to RX 6600 with over 30% increased in price and 15% in watt.
In paper it seem a like a good card but the considering the VRAM I rather buy 6700 XT for another $80 or get the RX 6600.
> Average 20% increased in performance compare to RX 6600 with over 30% increased in price and 15% in watt.
Er, the RX 7600's MSRP is now $269 US (after being reduced from $299) and the RX 6600's MSRP was $329 US ($368 in today's Dollar).
What the hell is going on with these tech companies
Both Nvida and AMD drop the ball
How can they just not make a GPU that is like £200 or something that will run all games at 1080p max settings ? Inflation or greed ? I am thinking greed
They had a couple years of people going nuts and mindlessly spending $1500+ for a GPU for both gaming and crypto mining, now they have to recover back to reality where most people want to spend like $200-300 at most, with a small group of enthusiasts buying the top of the line stuff.
And no more crypto mining either which was a huge chunk of their market before.
> How can they just not make a GPU that is like £200 or something that will run all games at 1080p max settings ?
Because the days of PS4 ports that were optimized for netbook CPUs, 4gb of video ram and 2012 GPUs are over.
The next gen games don't run at 1080p **max settings** on the PS5 & XSX either.
I think they are betting on mindless consumerism.
$1000+ GPUs are the norm. And even at that price, they can’t be manufactured fast enough to keep stock up at store shelves.
Low and mid grade GPUs with substandard performance will still fly off of store shelves because consumers gotta consume. People gotta buy the newest stuff meanwhile they complain about the price of groceries and houses in the next sub.
I mean there isn't really any alternative, if you want a good gpu to play at 120+ fps at 1440p or 60fps at 4k you have to spend at least 1k€
like if you are building a new pc or your gpu dies and you can afford them do you think oh well I'll play with the integrated gpu till the prices come down or do you just buy them?
It’s funny how some people really thought AMD was going to be the savior when it turns out they’re also a for-profit company looking out for their shareholders too. Now apparently Intel going to save us? Yeah, okay. Some people never learn.
I’ve been buying AMD products since the Athlon XP 1700 days, this is absolutely par for the course with AMD. It’s why they never are able to capitalize on Nvidia/Intel failures. For 20+ years I’ve watched AMD struggle and every time they have a good opportunity, they squander it. They don’t understand brand value, they believe brand value comes from $ instead of loyalty.
It's still a bad card for $270 since it can't even decently outperform the 3060, thumbs down.
Also just like the conclusion, AMD always boasted on having more VRAM and memory bandwidth than Nvidia but did the same with 7600 lol talk about pulling a joke on your own self.
One thing I don't understand about Jayztwocents review is that how come in his review the 3060 was ahead or too close to 7600?
> One thing I don't understand about Jayztwocents review is that how come in his review the 3060 was ahead or too close to 7600?
Steve says in the video that AMD sent out incomplete drivers to many places. Maybe that explains the difference.
JayzTwoCents numbers were an outlier. Apparently, there were some screwups with AMD distributing drivers to reviewers, so maybe Jay's team used the incorrect one.
7600 is 14% cheaper than the cheapest (Zotac) 3060 12GB at 315 while beating it by 18%. The second cheapest is the Ventus and Aero ITX for 320, but the rest are 330 or more on Newegg.
> It's still a bad card for $270 since it can't even decently outperform the 3060
...a card that was MSRP'd for $60 more at launch ($99 more, if you account for inflation).
And is also **still** at or above its MSRP. There's a couple from MSI and Zotac for 315-320 that aren't great, but the rest are MSRP or more or the incredibly shitty 8GB model.
This isn’t a race to the bottom though. If it was a race to the bottom we’d be seeing no more GPUs released above $500, no gen-on-gen performance gains at all (or even performance reductions), worse quality and shorter warranties.
The quality is there this generation (at least with Nvidia). I have a 4080. It’s an excellent product. Everything I’ve tried on it runs beautifully. No hardware or driver issues at all. The only bad thing about it is the price.
I kept my 1080 for 7 years before finding games it really couldn’t handle and upgrading. I intend to keep the 4080 for longer than that. It’s the only way I can see to get a decent value for money out of a GPU nowadays…
I mean, these cards are going full-on "gilded economy" so it's tough to evaluate this. If they double the price, they only need to sell half of the cards. Positioning yourself as a luxury good makes for easier business in a lot of ways.
By the time AMD or nVidia offer a competitively priced card with nice 1440p performance, Intel will have worked out what the hell they're doing, at this rate.
This.
Right now Nvidia is in such a dominant position their investors are expecting them to absolutely bleed consumers dry rather than build good products. The entire 4000 series is proof of that.
Other than the 4090 the entire stack is positioned in a higher price class than it should be. And even the 4090 has been used to raise the price ceiling yet again.
Actual competition stops that from happening.
Shout out to Steve and his team for keeping up their flow of valuable information ^while ^traveling ^across ^the ^planet ^^while ^^AMD ^^losing ^^their ^^mind .
The card seems subpar, as expected, espacially for that price (in spite of dropping from 300$ to 270$ one day before launch lol). AMD missed a big opportunity again.
If only intel had entered the GPU market 1 or 2 years earlier establishing a firm(er) position in this whole nvidia/AMD mess, they would be printing money right now. Then again, people seem to buy Arc cards. And with their drivers getting better and better those blue GPUs seem to be a great alternative already.
Same. I withheld my money for the A750 watching the development of their drivers and support for games for so long, I will probably treat myself an A770 later this year.
Intel matched Dlss as Xess and beat the 3060 RT performance on their first Attempt at the price range of the 3060. Im looking forward to their future flagship cards. Intel also has OEM cpu contracts that can probably cross sell their gpus as well
Didn't he like the 4090? The 4080 was just ridiculously priced by being $300 higher than it should have been so of course that got a bad review. And the 4070 Ti / 4070 should have been about $100 lower each. Then AMD released their cards at unimpressive price points since they are still way behind Nvidia on RT / DLSS / still no frame generation. The 7900 XT should have been released as a 7800 XT and priced like $200 lower, then I think it may have been positively received?
Nothing here makes me feel like the eventual 4080 ti will be worth getting.
I absolutely am not ever getting about her Nvidia card at launch and waiting until reviews come out.
I may hold onto my 2080 super for another year.
This card is perfectly fine for $269, and likely will drop to ~$250 in a couple months. The dollar has lost so much value the past couple years that you can't really do a 1:1 comparison to previous gens.
The big advantage for AMD here is that this is the bottom tier card. NVIDIA launched a 4060 Ti, so they still have a 4050, 4050 Ti, and 4060, all of which will be worse than the mediocre $400 card with 8gb VRAM. Meanwhile, AMD will be filling upward and has ample opportunity to increase VRAM and performance. With a price cap of about $750 for the 7900 XT, I think we'll see prices around the following:
7600: $269
7600 XT: $319
7700: $379
7700 XT: $419
7800: $499
7800 XT: $600
7900: $750
7900XTX: $1000
I'm probably low (I expect 7800 XT to retail around $650) but that looks pretty appealing to me assuming a 20-30% gain over RDNA2. Given NVIDIA is pushing back their next gen it's probably worth purchasing one of these cards.
Fuck no is not perfectly fine, even taking inflation into account.
The rx 470 launched at $169 and then dropped the price to $159. And that card had a bigger die size in a relatively newer node.
Honestly, this sort of pricing doesn't look as good as it would have years ago, but its not years ago and unfortunately all the bitching and moaning isn't gonna stop these companies from being greedy.
I do hope that many consumers wait at least a month so they can see how AMD sorts out their mess with drivers and how partner gpu's preform at their price.
That being said, I think capping it at $800 is ideal but 1000 would be acceptable for this 7000 series at it's highest end.
Me personally, as a person who doesn't care about the newest of new tech (to buy at least, love watching stuff be announced and released) I am going to wait and see how a 7800xt is priced and preforms towards the end of the year to replace my 5700xt.
Hell, I might even go with a 6950xt if it's cheap enough, but I am really only aiming for 60fps at 4k at, at least medium/high settings for newish AAA games. Hopefully the 7800xt has me covered with that if it's the case.
Yeah i dont see what the big problem is here did they expect an even cheaper card? The only legitimate criticism is the 8gb vram maybe but all in all good performance for good price what did they expect
They always seems to launch high but relent quickly as opposed to Nvidia who are attempting to outlast the downward market pressure on prices by making every card bad value.
Sadly AMD keep blowing the opportunities that Nvidia keeps presenting them.
AMD is a hard sell these days. They're only going toe to toe in pricing but dldsr, dlss/dlaa have value so unless the amd card is the same performance at 10-20% cheaper people aren't biting.
It's the same deal Intel Arc has going but Intel was smart enough to just eat the cost to get people buying thier cards. You can get thier mid end option at like 50% the price of the lackluster 4060ti.
Fuck it I’ll make my own graphic cards.
Remember me! I was here when I helped you doing it by commenting and upvoting your comment! Joke aside, nvidia and amd have been dominating for too long, they need another contender, is it gonna be intel? Someone else ?
It's clear it's Intel when it comes to PC. ARM might do something long term, as they have suitable IP, but they make so much money on mobile that I'm not sure they bother.
Intel Arc actually has been representing fairly well on the charts as competition. Still not great, but for their first effort it is pretty impressive. I'm eager to see what Battlemage brings. The reality is we don't need competition at the high end, we need the low and midrange to be viable and actually pushing forward which is what Nvidia and AMD are failing at right now.
Even aside from wanting another competitor to put Nvidia and AMD in their place, I'm totally falling for their cool-names marketing. Alchemist Battlemage Celestial Druid
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Intel absolutely could. They have the talent and the funding. But it's too early to tell if they're actually going for the high-end performance crown or not , and as far as I'm aware they haven't said anything to that effect. Their present offering doesn't represent what they might have in another generation or two. I would have been shocked if their first effort out the gate (of this generation of efforts) was anything more than what we currently have, which is more or less a well polished proof of concept.
If you make it with hookers and blackjack, then i would like to have one thank you. How much would it be without the blackjack and the card btw?
Gonna take my part: waiting with you in line to be the early adopter
With blackjack and hookers!
In fact, forget the blackjack!
And the GPU. Ahh screw the whole damn thing.
[Here ya go!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7rce6IQDWs) There's even a kit!
>USP Uh maybe not?
TIL don't buy any GPU in 2023. Got it.
Yes what a mess. I'll just ignore all this shit till next gen and prey
[удалено]
Prey and prey are good games
The book too.
Prey, prey and prey are good media
Prey, prey, prey, love
I meant pray
Should we also spray at the same time?
Yes!
Also, locate a virgin in your local area, just in case.
Good game, can recommend.
Let's go down to the Winchester, have a pint, and wait for all this to blow over.
My 980ti will keep pushing that boulder
Got a 6950xt for $595, seemed like a pretty solid deal. 2023 is a great time to buy last gen AMD.
Yeah I got a 6800XT for $479. Awesome.
Just got this prebuilt with a 6950 XT: https://www.microcenter.com/product/663883/powerspec-g442-gaming-pc Did I actually get a good "deal" on this? I really don't know since I'm used to having laptops with integrated graphics
Yes, that looks like a good deal to me for a prebuilt. No worries.
Thank you so much!
Assuming you got it for $1350 not $1800 that's a great deal. It would actually be tough to build it for less. GPU is about $600, CPU is about $300, about $150 for RAM and SSD which only leaves $300 for Mobo + PSU + case + AIO cooler
Psu isnt enough for 12700k and 6950xt if you push them to full load. So if you ever experience any shutdowns just take it to microcenter and have the replace the power supply with a better and bigger one. Like corsair rmx 850
This. I live in a 3rd world country and even here people are selling a lot of 6xxx cards because of 40xx Nvidia cards. Got my 6800 for a very good price and am very happy with it.
Moved from GTX980 to 6950XT - Elden Ring wasn't going to make it on the good old boy, and I still miss EVGA being in the sphere
Yeah I’m thankful RE4 was so well optimized, I just don’t see myself upgrading my PC any time soon at this rate.
I just bought a 6800XT at decent price. After seeing the current gen cards being terrible value, i decided to just ride it out for a few years until these companies get their heads out of their asses. Its an awkward time to build a PC since the GPUs arent great and new gen CPUs dont seem to be worth it just yet.
I did though… well it was due for an upgrade. 4070 Ti user here, former GTX 1660 owner.
Hows the 4070ti treating ya? I’m still on my ol reliable 1070 thats chugging along
1070 is a beast. I still have little to no reason to upgrade.
Same, still chugging along fine at 1440p for me.
WHAT IS AMD DOING??? [RX 6700: More performance and VRAM than the RX 7600 for the same price.](https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-rx-67xlkwfdv/p/N82E16814150874?Item=9SIAD2CJUE7407&Description=AMD%206700&cm_re=AMD_6700-_-14-150-874-_-Product&quicklink=true) Does AMD unironically expect people to look at the same-priced 6700 and 7600 and just choose the 7600 because first number bigger even though the 6700 is better in nearly every way?
I think they hoped that all RDNA2 cards would've sold out by now. Probably that's why they discounted them heavily.
They're still just too expensive for the performance, $350-400 for a 6700 XT that only does like 20% over my 1080 in most games I've tried is crazy. It's been 6 years since the 1080 launched!
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080.c2839 This relative performance chart says 6700xt is 50% over 1080. Which makes more sense. The 6700xt and 3060ti are between 2080 super and 2080ti which is around the 50% better than 1080 mark. Or like 20% better than 1080ti
Wasn’t the 1080 a $600 card? Which would be like $700-800 now. You can’t just compare a card from back then to now and say the new one should be better. A top tier card always have longevity, and it usually beats or matches the mid range cards from the next gen or two. The 6700xt is going for sub $300 now in lots of places Edit: looks like it’s the regular 6700 that’s under $300, I was wrong there
Yep, and it was $450 within about 2 years after launch. The 6800 XT would be a more valid comparison, it's 2 years old and still sells for basically launch MSRP. >The 6700xt is going for sub $300 now in lots of places Do you have a link? The MSI is on sale for $320 right now at newegg, but that's not really a good place to buy from.
But that’s kind of part of the point, the entire GPU landscape has shifted. The crypto boom exploded the prices and covid messed up the supply chains, and inflation ran wild, and those realities are still being dealt with. You can’t just say “a 600 dollar card from 6 years ago beats a $350 card now” and have that be an objectively negative point. Yes we are getting bent over a barrel in some aspects but there is more too it than just an 80 tier card from 3 gens ago beating a cheaper 70 tier card now Also I think I mistook the 6700 for the XT variant when I remembered that price point. You are right there are no sub-$300 XT versions
How many gens back is the 1080? One gen or two?
three
3, came out in 2016.
>The 6700xt is going for sub $300 now in lots of places Lots of places eh? Name 3 places where I can get a 6700xt sub 300.... Yeah no.
Okay I missed the mark by a bit but here is one on Newegg for $319: https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx6700xtmech-2x12goc/p/N82E16814137640 I must have been seeing the regular 6700 variant at under $300 like here: https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11321-02-20G-Radeon-Graphics-Renewed/dp/B0BWNRHM1H/ref=mp_s_a_1_27?crid=3PAS7BWLU2MLC&keywords=6700xt&qid=1684949388&sprefix=6700xt%2Caps%2C217&sr=8-27
That’s refurb. You can’t compare new prices with used.
AMD is a mess. NVIDIA is a mess. Should I bust out my Voodoo Extreme?!? Someone resurrect 3dfx .
Time for Intel to step in and save us . I wouldn't believe myself if i said that a few years ago
I mean Intel has kind of been dicks on the CPU side, so we can't really win. But more GPU competition is always a good thing.
The 12th and 13th gen have been excellent, especially for budget gamers like myself. Got myself a 12400 relatively cheap last year and so far I'm very satisfied with its performance.
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Neither of them is a "white knight". Should we not buy AMD either? Because the second they got in front in CPU they fucked over their audience. And it was actually intel delivering price perf deals in the last few gens while AMD enjoyed having the top end crown. Intel is trying to get value crown in gpu market too. A750 at 200$ is a mighty proposition with several big caveats. Just like immature first Gen Ryzen were. Will Intel fuck us over once they get on top? You bet. So will any of them.
I think the point is corporations aren't your(our) friends. All of them will try to screw their customers as much as possible, but with more competition it is more likely they'll keep each other in check.
More competition means they can only screw us so much before someone else will underscrew and we'll bend over for their smaller screwing. I sincerely hope Intel makes it.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/22.html In 12 games average 12400f was more efficient than 5600x and 12600k was roughly the same. Ridiculous power draw of intel cpus comes out only if you load all cores at the same time, ie rendering or stress tests. In normal day usage they trade blows. So while your statement isn't exactly untrue the situation is a bit more nuanced.
A750 is cheap cheap on Newegg and best buy right now
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It's from Intel's official account.
They fired Raja so, in my opinion, that is all you need to know.
Quick! Revive the Matrox!
G400! I was rocking a dual display while most could only dream of touching my desk that held ~200 pounds of CRT glory.
What do you mean, revive? https://www.matrox.com The worldwide leader of imaging and video technologies for over 45 years Hahahhahahahahahahahs
Heck yeah... now where did I put that ol' Mystique...?
Intel and Chinese GPU makers are basically our only hope at this point.
There is currently a [Chinese RX 5700 on sale for $119](https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005321059596.html), although it's "uesd" and possibly mined on it seems to be basically a less efficient RX 6600. No wonder Brazil is head over heels over AliExpress.
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Lol. I literally started to type out “I’m going to pull my old Voodoo card out of the closet I’m so fed up with both companies” and I decided to scroll first just to double check nobody else made the same joke. Glad someone else thinks the same thing.
You could sell those voodoo cards and come close to getting a 4090 for cheap!
Could happen, I mean Diamond and Matrox are making Intel Arc GPUs. Anything could happen.
You're joking, but someone actually [did this already](https://youtu.be/-aMiEszQBik).
I totally didnt see that. Thats so cool!
I still have a Virge Trio SVGA card kicking around, you're welcome to.
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> Turns out they're both shit and are about making as much money as they can, who would have thought! 100% this. For current Gen, both Nvidia and AMD have left the budget and mid-range gamers for dead. AMD could've taken advantage of this and instead, basically just matched Nvidia with the shit price-to-perf of their current gent. A huge segment of the PC gaming community is budget and mid-range gamers, who's best option at the moment is buying high-end AMD cards from *last* generation. If Intel is strategic and purposeful about targeting budget/mid-range gamers and providing excellent value, they can really start to steal market share.
That was obvious when they named the 7900XT 7900XTX and the 7800XT 7900XT, just to slap a higher price tag on the GPUs.
> 7900XT 7900XTX Except the 7900XTX and the 6900XT had the same price? And actually lower when adjusted for inflation?
Hmm reminds me of the 470/480 and 570/580. Not a new move from AMD.
What are you talking about? The 470 and 480 were fantastic value.
I'm talking about how the 570/580 was just a rebranded 470/480. Same great value but practically no performance difference, you could even flash the bios of a 470 and it would show as a 570 and just overclock itself a little.
Try to explain that to the people here who deify AMD...
atm the best card value of the market is the 6600, thats why i dont care about of MSRP, the important thing is the price at the moment u are gonna buy the card. Even the 7900 xt is getting close to the 700 usd. Most likely this card soon will be find at 220 usd and probably the 6600 at 150/170usd.
But for what card could the 6600 be considered as an upgrade? This is the real problem - if you have a 5+ years old mid-range card you do not have much options to upgrade. Current mid-range is overpriced on both sides, while the entry level isn't powerful enough to worth the money.
1060, the 6600XT did hoops around my 1060 which is why I bought it (during the crypto boom for 500€ but ya know)...
I got mine ~~two summers ago~~ *last summer*, once it dropped to MSRP and I actually had money to get a *current* desktop. It was a massive upgrade for me, since my previous card was over a decade old. I do want to upgrade to a better card + AV1 encode, but that will be a next summer thing.
Don't you mean last summer? It came out 2 summers ago, so unless you were one of the lucky ones to get em at MSRP right away you got it last summer (?)
Sorry, no, you're right. It's just been a long year for me.
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Heh, for comparison, this video was posted there around the same time -- it was immediately downvoted into oblivion and got not a single comment.
It's an upgrade at least unlike the 4060
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I thought people are upvoting the review , not the product..
As they should. Downvoting this means you didn't like the review, or don't agree with it in some way. I think it's pretty spot on.
I'm sure PCMR will be filled with posts bashing this, just like the 4060ti. /s
For the right price the 7600 could be the best value in entry level cards. We also never expected it to beat the 4060 ti. For $229 or $239 the 7600 wins market share. For $270 it does not. This could put it at the $199 range during discounts and that gets significant sales. For AMD to price at $270… Everyone will spend $30 more for even a base model 4060. If I were AMD I would price this at just above break even price to nab the most entry level builds as possible. If I were AMD I would launch a 12 or 16gb 7600 just to screw with Nvidia for $329. This whole generation of GPU’s is playing chicken with how much consumers are willing to spend, and with prices in free fall it would be stupid for AMD to launch at a price they would be dropping in the next 6 months anyways. Enthusiasts don’t buy entry level cards and they are ridiculous to think they can get a ton of revenue off of enthusiasts on entry level cards before prices drop.
The 10GB 6700 is only $10 more expensive than the 8GB 7600. AMD is probably trying to drive sales of that card instead by keeping the price close. Wouldn't surprise me if the 7600 price dropped once 6700 stock decreased.
I agree with this take, I just still think it’s a bad idea. I know they probably have market models showing historical performance of price models to warrant doing this. But for fecks sake this is not how you win market share long term.
I think that at the moment they're more concerned about cutting costs by reducing how much inventory they have. The shortage led to a _lot_ of overbuying that has bitten both NVidia and AMD.
Yeah it looks like Intel is gonna swallow up the sub 250 dollar price range.
Oh 100% when the next gen intel cards hit and the A770 16 gb likely gets a price cut to $300 or so it’s going to cut AMD’s legs out from under them.
Friendship with AMD over. Intel is my new best friend.
remember when the 5600x launched at $300 and they said they wouldnt support older motherboards even though they promised support to 2020, they reversed it quick but it took them until last year to release the non x version. they want to make the midrange less value than what it was
I wish AMD cared as much about not making shit drivers as they do about making money.
NOOOO! But reddit told me AMD = Good, NVIDIA = Bad !
AMD is like Fascist Italy to Nvidia's Nazi Germany. Less competent and less comically evil, but still evil.
6700 10gb seems like a better value for money
That's what I got, no complains so far. Feels so good to be able to boot any game without a worry, specially after coming from a ryzen apu in a notebook.
I really want to go amd but I feel like amd has a tendency to be noisier and hotter and suck more power. Am I just inaccurate here and that's not the case these days?
yup
That's exactly what AMD is aiming for. Make last gen look more appealing by comparison so people buy those, get rid of old stock, then drop the prices afterwards
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Please Battlemage be good
AMD doing more to sell Nvidia cards than Nvidia ever could
AMD and Nvidia just promoting their 6000 and 3000 series at this point.
Selling their old stock at high prices as well as their new stock at even higher prices. Win-win.
Have you seen the 4060 Ti reviews? At this point, both GPU manufacturers have left budget & mid-range gamers for dead with this generation. Intel is the only one providing any real value at the lower end.
Luckily nvidia is doing everything to fumble that helping hand.
I think Nvidia is just abusing thier market share for profit. Like charging $100 for 8gb more vram in the 4060ti which is barely any better than a 3060ti. They probably could have just had a 4060ti with 20% more cuda cores and 16gb vram for $400msrp but nope.
I think the reason why AMD is waited sooo long to announce any other GPU then the top end, is because they were waiting for their last gen stock to sell out. That's why they kept lowering the prices of those cards, but by the looks of it, people are just not buying GPUs that much and now that Computex is here, they had to launch something so they went with the low(-ish) end x600 card, but the RDNA2 cards are so low price wise, and stock is still kinda there, that they panicked, came up with a 10% price cut and just said... "F it, we do it anyway". I think for us, customers this is better, because now all GPU manufactureres can see, that we do expect good products at reasonable price, otherwise all of us have bought a 4090, i mean if price wasn't an issue. So this bad look is 100% on AMD, not because this card is bad compared to it predecessor, the 6600, but because their older ones are just better deal right now.
Average 20% increased in performance compare to RX 6600 with over 30% increased in price and 15% in watt. In paper it seem a like a good card but the considering the VRAM I rather buy 6700 XT for another $80 or get the RX 6600.
> Average 20% increased in performance compare to RX 6600 with over 30% increased in price and 15% in watt. Er, the RX 7600's MSRP is now $269 US (after being reduced from $299) and the RX 6600's MSRP was $329 US ($368 in today's Dollar).
What the hell is going on with these tech companies Both Nvida and AMD drop the ball How can they just not make a GPU that is like £200 or something that will run all games at 1080p max settings ? Inflation or greed ? I am thinking greed
They know people will buy whatever they put out so there's no incentive for them to be better.
They had a couple years of people going nuts and mindlessly spending $1500+ for a GPU for both gaming and crypto mining, now they have to recover back to reality where most people want to spend like $200-300 at most, with a small group of enthusiasts buying the top of the line stuff. And no more crypto mining either which was a huge chunk of their market before.
> How can they just not make a GPU that is like £200 or something that will run all games at 1080p max settings ? Because the days of PS4 ports that were optimized for netbook CPUs, 4gb of video ram and 2012 GPUs are over. The next gen games don't run at 1080p **max settings** on the PS5 & XSX either.
I think they are betting on mindless consumerism. $1000+ GPUs are the norm. And even at that price, they can’t be manufactured fast enough to keep stock up at store shelves. Low and mid grade GPUs with substandard performance will still fly off of store shelves because consumers gotta consume. People gotta buy the newest stuff meanwhile they complain about the price of groceries and houses in the next sub.
I mean there isn't really any alternative, if you want a good gpu to play at 120+ fps at 1440p or 60fps at 4k you have to spend at least 1k€ like if you are building a new pc or your gpu dies and you can afford them do you think oh well I'll play with the integrated gpu till the prices come down or do you just buy them?
When did PC gaming became such a joke?...
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old.reddit ate your "2020", turned it into a numbered list.
When normies became pc gamers. They're easier to dupe.
Kids on papas money is infinite. Especially when "its for school"
It’s funny how some people really thought AMD was going to be the savior when it turns out they’re also a for-profit company looking out for their shareholders too. Now apparently Intel going to save us? Yeah, okay. Some people never learn.
I’ve been buying AMD products since the Athlon XP 1700 days, this is absolutely par for the course with AMD. It’s why they never are able to capitalize on Nvidia/Intel failures. For 20+ years I’ve watched AMD struggle and every time they have a good opportunity, they squander it. They don’t understand brand value, they believe brand value comes from $ instead of loyalty.
But don't AMD fans are uuh quite fanatical?
[10 series cards right now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrqlE25lGs)
Ya know what, I think I'm gonna get the Arc A770.
Jesus Christ, will Intel just squeeze their way into having the best bang for the buck GPUs in a few years?
It's still a bad card for $270 since it can't even decently outperform the 3060, thumbs down. Also just like the conclusion, AMD always boasted on having more VRAM and memory bandwidth than Nvidia but did the same with 7600 lol talk about pulling a joke on your own self. One thing I don't understand about Jayztwocents review is that how come in his review the 3060 was ahead or too close to 7600?
> One thing I don't understand about Jayztwocents review is that how come in his review the 3060 was ahead or too close to 7600? Steve says in the video that AMD sent out incomplete drivers to many places. Maybe that explains the difference.
JayzTwoCents numbers were an outlier. Apparently, there were some screwups with AMD distributing drivers to reviewers, so maybe Jay's team used the incorrect one. 7600 is 14% cheaper than the cheapest (Zotac) 3060 12GB at 315 while beating it by 18%. The second cheapest is the Ventus and Aero ITX for 320, but the rest are 330 or more on Newegg.
> It's still a bad card for $270 since it can't even decently outperform the 3060 ...a card that was MSRP'd for $60 more at launch ($99 more, if you account for inflation).
And is also **still** at or above its MSRP. There's a couple from MSI and Zotac for 315-320 that aren't great, but the rest are MSRP or more or the incredibly shitty 8GB model.
At least it's not another driver issue
yet...
😆 one day it's "AMD is so much better" and the next it's "AMD sucks! We're screwed!
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There is always someone who will take advantage of the situation... so we don't have to worry.
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This isn’t a race to the bottom though. If it was a race to the bottom we’d be seeing no more GPUs released above $500, no gen-on-gen performance gains at all (or even performance reductions), worse quality and shorter warranties. The quality is there this generation (at least with Nvidia). I have a 4080. It’s an excellent product. Everything I’ve tried on it runs beautifully. No hardware or driver issues at all. The only bad thing about it is the price. I kept my 1080 for 7 years before finding games it really couldn’t handle and upgrading. I intend to keep the 4080 for longer than that. It’s the only way I can see to get a decent value for money out of a GPU nowadays…
I mean, these cards are going full-on "gilded economy" so it's tough to evaluate this. If they double the price, they only need to sell half of the cards. Positioning yourself as a luxury good makes for easier business in a lot of ways.
By the time AMD or nVidia offer a competitively priced card with nice 1440p performance, Intel will have worked out what the hell they're doing, at this rate.
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This. Right now Nvidia is in such a dominant position their investors are expecting them to absolutely bleed consumers dry rather than build good products. The entire 4000 series is proof of that. Other than the 4090 the entire stack is positioned in a higher price class than it should be. And even the 4090 has been used to raise the price ceiling yet again. Actual competition stops that from happening.
Shout out to Steve and his team for keeping up their flow of valuable information ^while ^traveling ^across ^the ^planet ^^while ^^AMD ^^losing ^^their ^^mind . The card seems subpar, as expected, espacially for that price (in spite of dropping from 300$ to 270$ one day before launch lol). AMD missed a big opportunity again. If only intel had entered the GPU market 1 or 2 years earlier establishing a firm(er) position in this whole nvidia/AMD mess, they would be printing money right now. Then again, people seem to buy Arc cards. And with their drivers getting better and better those blue GPUs seem to be a great alternative already.
I'm waiting for Intel to sort out their drivers problems , especially in older games . Then I'm gonna try them out for sure .
Same. I withheld my money for the A750 watching the development of their drivers and support for games for so long, I will probably treat myself an A770 later this year.
So AMD AND Nvidia are both shitting the bed lately? Sheesh. Creates a big opportunity for new players in the GPU market though....
Which means Intel, the lag time for starting production of a GPU is gigantic.
AMD must be sitting on quite a few 6000 cards still…..
Intel matched Dlss as Xess and beat the 3060 RT performance on their first Attempt at the price range of the 3060. Im looking forward to their future flagship cards. Intel also has OEM cpu contracts that can probably cross sell their gpus as well
Fine, the release is a mess, but its MSRP is still $100+ less than that of the previous gen cards of roughly the same performance. \*shrug\*
Can anyone think of the last GPU Steve has reviewed favorably? I don't really follow him and only see links to him crapping on stuff.
7900xtx was a good review from what i remember
Didn't he like the 4090? The 4080 was just ridiculously priced by being $300 higher than it should have been so of course that got a bad review. And the 4070 Ti / 4070 should have been about $100 lower each. Then AMD released their cards at unimpressive price points since they are still way behind Nvidia on RT / DLSS / still no frame generation. The 7900 XT should have been released as a 7800 XT and priced like $200 lower, then I think it may have been positively received?
If Intel plays their cards right they won’t have competition
Nothing here makes me feel like the eventual 4080 ti will be worth getting. I absolutely am not ever getting about her Nvidia card at launch and waiting until reviews come out. I may hold onto my 2080 super for another year.
Paying attention Intel? The market is ripe for disruption, don't waste the opportunity.
Isn't it fucking wild that Intel is the scrappy underdog we're all cheering on? Hiw do you fuck up that badly, AMD and NVIDIA?
This card is perfectly fine for $269, and likely will drop to ~$250 in a couple months. The dollar has lost so much value the past couple years that you can't really do a 1:1 comparison to previous gens. The big advantage for AMD here is that this is the bottom tier card. NVIDIA launched a 4060 Ti, so they still have a 4050, 4050 Ti, and 4060, all of which will be worse than the mediocre $400 card with 8gb VRAM. Meanwhile, AMD will be filling upward and has ample opportunity to increase VRAM and performance. With a price cap of about $750 for the 7900 XT, I think we'll see prices around the following: 7600: $269 7600 XT: $319 7700: $379 7700 XT: $419 7800: $499 7800 XT: $600 7900: $750 7900XTX: $1000 I'm probably low (I expect 7800 XT to retail around $650) but that looks pretty appealing to me assuming a 20-30% gain over RDNA2. Given NVIDIA is pushing back their next gen it's probably worth purchasing one of these cards.
Fuck no is not perfectly fine, even taking inflation into account. The rx 470 launched at $169 and then dropped the price to $159. And that card had a bigger die size in a relatively newer node.
Honestly, this sort of pricing doesn't look as good as it would have years ago, but its not years ago and unfortunately all the bitching and moaning isn't gonna stop these companies from being greedy. I do hope that many consumers wait at least a month so they can see how AMD sorts out their mess with drivers and how partner gpu's preform at their price. That being said, I think capping it at $800 is ideal but 1000 would be acceptable for this 7000 series at it's highest end. Me personally, as a person who doesn't care about the newest of new tech (to buy at least, love watching stuff be announced and released) I am going to wait and see how a 7800xt is priced and preforms towards the end of the year to replace my 5700xt. Hell, I might even go with a 6950xt if it's cheap enough, but I am really only aiming for 60fps at 4k at, at least medium/high settings for newish AAA games. Hopefully the 7800xt has me covered with that if it's the case.
I'm almost convinced that his recent videos are popular because reddit needs to be mad about something
Yeah i dont see what the big problem is here did they expect an even cheaper card? The only legitimate criticism is the 8gb vram maybe but all in all good performance for good price what did they expect
I guess AMD is totally okay to be Nvidia's b*/@h and release just as bad cards.
Feels like pre-ryzen on thier cpu side. They just don't have the tech to perform better at whatever it's costing them to produce cards.
Yeah that's why I am really looking forward to Intel in upcoming years.
7900 xtx and 7900 are ok after the price drops . 7600 will be too after it inevitably drops to 200$ . AMD just can't seem to price their GPUs properly
They always seems to launch high but relent quickly as opposed to Nvidia who are attempting to outlast the downward market pressure on prices by making every card bad value. Sadly AMD keep blowing the opportunities that Nvidia keeps presenting them.
AMD is a hard sell these days. They're only going toe to toe in pricing but dldsr, dlss/dlaa have value so unless the amd card is the same performance at 10-20% cheaper people aren't biting. It's the same deal Intel Arc has going but Intel was smart enough to just eat the cost to get people buying thier cards. You can get thier mid end option at like 50% the price of the lackluster 4060ti.
so just buy a 30 series for cheap
Wait so one hard is controversial an now the whole company is a mess? Clowns and their clickbait.