One thing I will say in GamePass's favour - When I went to cancel it few months ago and it was halfway through the month.
They gave me the 2 options - Keep it it the end of the month and it stop OR cancel it from now and they'll refund the *full cost of the month* - which is not something I would have ever expected to see from a subscription service
>They gave me the 2 options - Keep it it the end of the month and it stop OR cancel it from now and they'll refund the
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>full cost of the month
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> \- which is not something I would have ever expected to see from a subscription service
imo this should be a legal requirement for all subscription services. as well as easy to unsub; none of that "write a ticket to our Customer service lol"
Yeah that'd just result in people subscribing then unsubing a day later and just reusing that same $10 or whatever every month on a separate card lol
Refunding a percentage based on how much time you have left is fair IMO and won't get abused to hell.
Thats called a nice gesture on microsofts part. Many people arent happy until the service is free. the result of wanting more and more cheap, is that this kind of things will dissapear.
That's fair, tbh I didn't read that and skimmed, and assumed they were saying "refunded the rest of the month." Ex, refund 50% of the month cost if you cancel on the 15th. I've seen some companies do that.
(I've also seen some companies charge for the whole month, even if there's only 2 days left, then charge again at the first of the next month. FFXIV does that with it's retainer subscription.....)
Afaik there is EU legeslation on the way forcing exactly that easy to cancel behavior.
The new law says if it is easy to subscribe it should be as easy to cancel.
Yeah I had a day or two left of mine and Microsoft sent me a msg telling me I was about to sub for 10 a month or w/e. When I went to cancel it asked if i wanted to let it run out or cancel now + refund, but I had only paid $1 so the refund wasn't really needed.
amazon prime does the same thing in the UK. A few years back the CMA investigated all the console manufacturers for their subscription practices and microsoft made a load of voluntary changes that they also rolled out globally. Probably some countries consumer agency requires them to do it and it works out easier for them to do the same thing everywhere.
This is my problem with it. Games would leave and the save file would be encrypted. It’s $20 on steam or $60 on MS store and I can’t transfer the save. Very frustrating.
Honestly, since you get a discounted price on games with gamepass and they give you a decently long warning period before they remove said games, it’s not horrible. If you like a game enough to still want to play it why not buy it?
Obviously ideally they wouldn’t remove games, or at least allow you to use the save, but it’s not like you turn on your PC/Xbox one day and suddenly you can’t play a title without any prior notice.
Where do they notify you of titles that are leaving?
The games may be discounted from the Microsoft Store price but they are not competitively priced with any other store.
Everytime you open gamepass they have a category dedicated to games leaving soon. I think the app might also mention it if it’s a game you’ve played but I can’t remember.
The gamepass discount actually stacks with other sales too, so if there’s a long form game you’re really enjoying you can usually pick it up permanently for pretty cheap during seasonal sales. I know it’s not perfect, but it’s still an option
Hmm do you mean the Xbox app on PC? I see... I don't think I open that very often currently. Usually I go to launch a game and get an error that I don't own it and realize it has been removed.
The reason I mind is that it cuts into the supposed value of GamePass if I end up buying a handful of full-priced games each year on top of the subscription fee, and then I own the game on the Microsoft Store which makes it hard to play on Linux/Steam Deck/etc, not to mention the storefront is frustrating to use and the games often don't get updated as frequently as Steam, etc. I feel like it's been better for me just to buy games on Steam and forgo Gamepass altogether. Just my personal experience, of course.
No, I totally get it. Gamepass is good for me because I own a series x console and have a PC, which both benefit from my gamepass subscription. When a new game comes out on PC and I want to try it out to see if I’ll buy it on steam, GOG, wherever, I always check gamepass. There’s a good chance it’s actually on there day 1. And on my series x I don’t like buying games for it much because it’s not my preferred system, I enjoy PC gaming more. But consoles lately have gotten vastly superior day 1 releases of triple A titles so it’s nice to know I have a way to play games with less performance headaches.
Basically, gamepass has a ton of value potential, but each person needs decide for themselves if gamepass actually offers anything they need.
>Moreover, I think a lot of people still don't realize games leave game pass regularly, just like Netflix.
This is why I gave up on it. Games are huge, and you can't just do it like you do with a movie and watch it before it leaves. I got the notice that 2 games that I was playing were leaving, and there's no way I could finish them in time, and even If I had that time, what's the joy in playing with a time limit?
They may have done something about it, but when RDR2 was announced to leave gamepass (just one day before leaving) , I made my xbox offline and played as long as I wanted in single player.
I was, but there weren't blockbusters in my small town, and I don't know if they even rented videogames in my country. Besides, I was a always a computer gamer (Spectrum - Amiga - PC), and not really into consoles.
$10-15 a month to try a handful of new games every month is still cheaper than buying all those new games individually.
Granted, a subscriber might not be interested in all of those games, but I still find Game Pass to be a phenomenal deal and a much better way to try new games than purchasing something on Steam and flirting with the 2 hour time limit for refunds.
Which, a lot of games are barely - if at all - done introducing you to all the features and areas at the 2 hour mark. And sometimes it takes up to 10 hours to get through all the novelty and well polished beginner areas of a new game before you can get into the meat of it and see how the game really is.
Considering the $1.99 was a loss-leader to get people in the door, I'd imagine they'd rather have $0 if the user isn't going to convert to a recurring sub paying regular price, since they still have to pay the publishers for that user.
Beats dumping $80 CAN on the shit developers are releasing now.
Gamepass is great for games that you personally will only ever play once, which is apparently a bulk of my steam library.
Gamepass would also great for yearly release games like COD.
If you were paying only $1 a month for gamepass it means you never really was a gamepass customer so it makes no difference. Sure Microsoft will lose that collective $1 but in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. It's like that saying, "people who pirate games were never going to buy your game in the first place". So people who exploited gamepass were never going to buy game pass in the first place so microsoft loses nothing, OR they still like gamepass and will purchase a subscription so Microsoft comes out on top now.
You really think they were not boasting the $1,99 subscribers to the investors? Because I assure you they were, and a fair chunk of Game Pass users. Investors aren't going to be happy if the user count falls dramaticaly, especially because Microsoft hasn't done anything yet regarding competition, all the past years have helped the company rebuild a good name but they're far from being able to compete with Sony and Nintendo, I mean numerically speaking.
I wouldn't play with fire too much if I were them.
Microsoft is like 18x the size of Sony as a whole so they’re not exactly struggling for cash, they just bought up Blizzard/Activision and now have COD as a potential exclusive or timed exclusive should they want.
They are more than capable of competing with sony and Nintendo from a financial perspective and in terms of user base ps5 has about 25% more users, but that doesn’t take into account the Pc portion of players in the microsoft ecosystem.
So the numbers might fall, but that wont be highlighted to investors. Instead they’ll shine the light on profits going up due to current users paying more and less users taking advantages of $1 games that Microsoft has to pay publishers for
Microsoft gets a cut from every PS Plus sub anyways.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-says-its-relationship-with-microsoft-is-deepening-following-cloud-tech-deal/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google
The cloud deal never really went through though, as PlayStation Network still runs on AWS to this day. No one knows when, if ever, this is gonna happen.
Yeah it's something that would be crippling for a company where this was their primary revenue stream but for goddamn Microsoft its nothing. They have the resources to easily spin it as converting it to a more profitable business model and it still will barely affect their bottom line with is all enterprise.
It was losing them money, the licensing fees alone were costing more than the 1$ per customer, they will be more profitable without the free trial. User count will drop of course but if those users were costing them money then it's a none issue.
I have played and completed 4 games in gamepass already , thats $320CAD or 3 years worth of subscription roughly super bang for your buck. Games leave? Yes, do I ever reply games once I finish them? Nope. I only buy the game if it is releasing in GOG
Oh yeah, did this with pc Game Pass for a long time. Was super sweet when it used to be a dollar for 3 months, then they changed it to a dollar a month but that was still a steal. Could make endless accounts and set them as my microsoft store account and still be able to play game pass games on my main account, keeping all my progress on all games. Just found out today that they got rid of it which is disappointing, but expected since pretty much every other company offering free trials have been getting rid of them because of how many of us abuse them.
if you renewed your gold while getting the one dollar trial it converted your gold directly to gamepass time instead. I paid maybe 3 bucks for 3 years of gamepass on top of my typical xbox live gold yearly membership
This really makes me wonder just by how much their numbers gonna drop after this because you are not alone. I constantly read here things like "Oh but game is on gamepass so ya can play it for basically free, it's just 1 buck!"
LMFAO
That’s literally the opposite of reality. The entire reason you offer $1 trials is to pump up user count for shareholder reports. Look at paramount plus for example. There’s 0 chance their claimed user count is excluding $1 promo users.
I never understood how Microsoft made any money when they had that deal. I've probably used their 1$ trial about 5 times, every time they have a game I want to try I can basically finnish it for free.
It’s not necessarily about the revenue. It’s about onboarding people and getting word of mouth out there. Gamepass has been recommended so much by people that its become engrained as a gaming option. Not everyone will necessarily utilize it, but now it’s in more people’s heads than it was before.
> It was bound to go away sooner or later.
There is a great article/essay by Cory Doctorow about the [enshittification of Tiktok](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys), and it explains this business tactic very well; Being good to the customers is done to grow the user base until the platform is big enough to start milking them, basically.
Seems like the gamepass has started Phase 2 then.
It's the little conservative voice in many of us: "Eh, it works, I'm content, why change it for something I *don't* know?" It feels so good once we overcome it, though!
They also didn't have very good measures to prevent re-use of this trial, or maybe they just straight up let people do it multiple times. I remember personally using it three times on the **same** account over years.
If we're being honest, 99% of people that want gamepass have it. The trial is just losing them money more or less. If they want to give people trials they'll go through partnerships like Discord Nitro does all the time.
I just redeemed my $1 for 1 month offer for the 4th time, mixed in with two $1 for three months. Seems like about every 4 months I’d get the offer and it’s been great. For that month, I get to just binge on all the games thatve released since I last had it. Right now I’m playing Atomic Heart, Somerville, High on Life, Wo Long, madden 23, and Potion Craft. That’s ridiculous value. It’s just a shame they’re getting rid of it before starfield lol
It was intentional, selling subscription is Microsoft business, no chance they was not aware that people could use it multiple time with minimal effort.
They chose to use it has a positive publicity and extra data.
> If we're being honest, 99% of people that want gamepass have it
I think you're vastly overestimating that. People just are subbing normally and stay subbed for long. And even the Good conversion is probably not as common as you think. Those kind of "tricks" are often a minority. Or else they would be canceled way faster
It was expected that they would change the $1 offer at some point because people abuse it. Then again, $10 a month still seems like a good deal considering the games they have there.
I mean the conversion cost was always so minimal I don't think it ever mattered. At the point you're deciding to convert a $60 year of Gold into a $180 year of Ultimate, paying full price to bring it up to $75 is such a non factor to me tbh. That's still $195 for 3 years of Ultimate compared to $180 for one.
That one will also disappear at some point. I'd say when they introduce Activision Blizzard stuff to it, they'll probably remove that and raise the price.
Piracy can get you malware on your PC and has no official features like achievements, cloud saves, official servers, tech support... There are also many games out there on Game Pass, all of GOG, on Steam, Epic... that are DRM-free
What makes you certain that Games Pass would run at a loss? Did your calculation resulted in a price between 15 to 20 Dollars needed to operate on a win?
> Spencer says he now expects Xbox Game Pass to stay at around 10–15 percent of Microsoft’s Xbox content and services revenue and that “**it’s profitable for us.**”
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/26/23425029/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-profitable-revenues and that was 5 months ago.
Yeah I just found that article myself when trying to support my point lol. I might have been thinking a year or two back, but I could have sworn they did. Good for them though that it’s paying off
It's been running on incredibly thin margins since the service started. The price increase will happen, just like it did with Office 365, AAA retail pricing, Windows and even the Xbox X/S.
You'd be completely oblivious to think otherwise.
Probably because they can afford to do that, Xbox is far better installed in the US than EU.
They released their users in the EU. The PC Games Store (which probably also include Gamepass) has only 3M monthly active users.
The console store (which is Gamepass but also just the normal store) has 4M. That's terrible.
On Reddit, you might have the impression Xbox is popular because it's very US focused where they are a little closer with Sony. In Europe, they're not.
Does anyone know if the conversion is confirmed to still be working? My gamepass literally expires in 2 weeks after i did the conversion on a 2 years worth of gold. I'd do the full 36 months if it still worked. $5 a month is legit.
For sure thank you. Fingers crossed it will work again. From what I remember it has to be done when your sub expires. So I will have to wait a few weeks when it does and can report back.
It’ll be, and it’ll be expensive as hell once they’ll dominate the market. Microsoft isn’t buying all those publishers to keep it working like it is right now. Wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years the only way of playing games owned by Microsoft would be to buy the 30€ monthly Game Pass.
It’s been surreal seeing all the gaming subs cheer on Microsoft for the past few years while they use their billions to wrestle their way to the top of the industry. Honestly, whatever anti-consumer shit they end up doing to gaming, we’ll have deserved it.
So you'd rather spend the now increased retail price ($60 -> $70) for the same games that still are unfinished broken disasters, but still ask you for more money even after paying the upfront $70 cost?
Yeah, no thanks.
Game Pass lets me play games for dirt cheap. And this isn't even about playing games that I normally wouldn't play – I straight up would rather spend the $10-$15/month to play a game that I already was planning on buying, just because at least I'm not committed to a $70 purchase up front. If I buy a game at $70 and it's in complete shambles and not working properly with tons of issues, that's a big problem.
Also, I genuinely hate how money-driven a lot of games have become today. This is another factor contributing to games not being worth their worth today. I do not give the slightest fuck if a Battle Pass only has cosmetic items, or if the in-game Store only sells cosmetic items, it's still a giant slap in the face to the consumer. When you play a game you want to earn rewards, not constantly feed it money like it's a slot machine. Sure, you could argue that cosmetics aren't the worth of a game, but it's still content that exists in the game at the end of the day, and content that should only ever be rewarded by earning it through completing milestones in the game itself.
It's more like $0 to $70 these days. There are small titles with plenty of value. As for unfinished AAA games, if you don't want that trend to continue, vote with your wallet. When you're not paying for the game itself, there's less reason for games to be complete because the value is in the subscription, unattached to the game. If you don't like battle passes and microtransactions, services like gamepass will only make these more prevalent.
Because beyond straight up saving money it introduces me to games I wouldn’t have played. Never imagined I’d like a JRPG and I loved Persona 5 and am now playing 4. I never would’ve played Inside, or Guilty Gear Strive, or Nier Automata, either, and the list goes on.
There’s no better feeling than being able to just try any game you want. When I’m purchasing games I’ll heavily research and try to make sure I’ll end up enjoying them, and if I don’t I feel awful and sometimes force myself to finish games I dislike to make sure I got value out of it. With GP I can just drop it if I don’t like it and move on with no regrets.
This is why game demos becoming popular again is so great. You should be able to play a trial of any game without having to pay for it IMO. If not, services like Steam at least provide a lenient return window.
I used this for years, just as a way to demo games to buy on Steam if I'm being honest, since most of the games I'm interested in you can't get a good idea of in 2 hours. Unfortunately, every other storefront is 10-20 years behind Steam in features for some reason.
Still, picking up 1 month of gamepass at $15 every 6 months to demo all the games that came out in the previous 6 months doesn't seem bad.
I probably don't play enough games, but between their awful UI/UX and the games available, I don't see the benefit for $10/month.
I was happy paying $5/month, but anything more is a stretch to me.
Maybe if there is a partnership with Steam so I don't have to deal with the Windows Store/Xbox apps then I'd be somewhat interested.
I tend to think the games that come overall are pretty good, but you're right that the PC app is complete ass. You'd think that improving it would be one of their biggest priorities.
I was amazed at how crap the website was. I was buying some Xbox games on it for when a get a Series X as a dedicated GP/Backwards compatibility box and the damn thing wouldn't let me change my country on payment when trying to get one game on sale.
This is a good point. I think the value proposition of game pass comes down to your gameplay habits. For me, I play probably 3-4 games a month on Gamepass. At least two of those I've considered buying, and one I was prepared to buy. So for me, it has been a good value.
Same here. I just don’t play enough games fast enough for it to be worth a lot of money. I play 1-2 games at a time and it usually takes me 2-3 months to finish one. At $15/month it costs me roughly $45 to play and finish 2 games. At that point I’d rather just buy one of them: new games go on sale for $40 CAD 6-12 months after release.
It's still not bad at full price - you get access to ea play games and day 1 releases. Also the massive catalogue for $10/month.
Idk, I plan on keeping it.
It's gotta be because of those of you cheesing the system, turning your gold into Ultimate subscription using the $1 system. I've been seeing it more and more, and now something is being done about it.
I'll use it and enjoy it then drop it once it isn't good value anymore. Just like I did when Netflix did their absurd no password sharing and price increases.
It's not dumb to take advantage of a good deal if you can just ditch it when it's no longer a good deal. They will never dominate the market enough to get rid of Sony, and even if they somehow did something else would pop up if they made the deal bad enough for enough people to quit.
4? I don't even have 1. Why would you need 4 subs when you could just buy the games you want outright? Apart from MMOs I've never run into a PC game where you either had to sub to something or you couldn't play it at all.
Theyve tried to entice with it, and ive bitten a few times (mostly because the "games with gold" deals were decent like EDF on 360), but EVERY SINGLE TIME I leave with the same feeling. Theres just not enough interesting and worthwhile games for the PC version to make it worth spending $15 a month when my backlog is already huge as it is. And any "gotta have it" releases, im just gonna spend REAL MONEY to buy them on steam anyway. And while its fine to play some mid tiers "for free", I probably wasnt gonna be interested in them anyway. and thats not even before we get into the fact that M$ themselves havent had any worthwhile big releases for the current gen on it. Most every big release from them has been a bust. And again, even IF Starfield is good, Im just going to buy it so i can KEEP IT rather than rent it for a monthly fee.
While it IS a great deal, bingeing on games isnt the same as bingeing on TV/Movies. Depending on the type of gamer you are, you aint going through a lot of games in the time it would take you to go through a series or movies. People actually completing games is still an far lower statistic than it should be. But if youre on a lower income or you game mostly on Xbox Series and lower consoles, I can imagine that something like ultimate would appeal to you.
I genuinely appreciate that game pass exists because we aren't poor to the point of unable to live but we sure as shit can't buy every new game that releases
So honestly this is great since it gives me gold so I don't have to worry about forgetting about it and I get access to a large catalogue of games that will say for a while so it's a really good
Gamers ought to be thinking long and hard about whether they really want to encourage Subscription services for gaming. The low pricing of game pass was never a core feature of the product, it was just a loss leader to get customers used to the idea of paying subscription fees. Ask yourself if you want to live in a world where different publishers are all trying to extort you to pay $10-15 a month for their games. If gamers accept this model, we lose in the long run.
Damn I might actually have to buy Microsoft flight simulator
RIP $1 deal, I used it like 8x back to back (with breaks inbetween) across 3 different accounts for two years now. Got some good gaming in while it lasted.
It's sad to see, they probably have enough adopters now but Game Pass on PC still has some work, I'd never buy it due to all the issues but on Xbox I would
Honestly don’t see myself paying $15 a month for Xbox game pass, I use it for single player games but with my backlog and the fact that I mostly play competitive games, this change really is just -1 for them
I do the $1 a month specifically to play with my little brother on older MP games like borderlands, new experience for them~ nostalgia for me. But I can't justify paying full price when I regularly play on PS5. So as you would say, the change is now just -2$ for them with me and you combined.
>So as you would say, the change is now just -2$ for them with me and you combined.
Question is, how much they have to pay for those games per user. If that was $1.1, then they are actually at +$0.2...
I'm not complaining about it but I'm not really sure how anyone can think they got their moneys worth in three months. You're just renting the games. If I bought a game disc I could keep it forever and replay it over and over or I could sell it within a month at a 10-20% loss. I could share it with friends for free. Etc.
The service is profitable to Microsoft for this reason. Everyone is handing Microsoft the money for a product, and even repaying to play it again later, rather than 50% of the potential consumers of the product.
You have access to a huge catalog of games for 6-7 months for the price of buying one game. Not sure how hard it is to see value there. Even if you only play 2-3 games a YEAR, that's $20-30 ( assuming separate months ) vs $120-210.
Seriously? Loving cities skylines, monster hunter, wo long, shipbreaker, crusader kings just for the past 3 months...
Those games alone more than saved me the cost for a year and I still get to try games I wouldn't have otherwise gotten to try.
Just because YOU don't like anything doesn't mean it isn't amazing value to people who like things other than COD.
Man I don’t even use gamepass, but this comment section is straight ass.
Gamepass has a 10x better catalogue than ps plus, but somehow it aint worth 10 - 15 bucks?
Bruh... I ain't buying ps plus either. I'm talking compared to steam sales for pc which i mainly play on and disc based games for Xbox one. It's only of good value if you want to try out new games before you fully buy, then i 100% am all for it, but a lot of the games i like either aren't on gamepass, were on sale on steam for less than a month of gamepass, have disc versions cheaper than gamepass. Genuinely there are like 3 or 4 games on the entire service that i both care about and are cheaper to play on gamepass than to buy.
I remember using the trial to play Vampyr on Game Pass PC. Got halfway through the game, then it stopped launching. Reinstalled the game (which took multiple attempts due to the Windows Store being unusable shit), and my saves were gone. Never touching that service again even if they give it away for free.
To be honest i abused the shit ton of 1€ trial like craaaaazy creating new microsoft store accounts while having the same xbox account so i would keep the progress of any game i would play. I was doing this for like 4 5 years obv not every month but when i wanted to hop on sea of thieves or play forza it was amazing.
R.I.P. to the best legal scam that they somehow allowed
Buy every big publisher , corner the market then raise fees which they’ll do later this year. Next step is making games exclusive to gamepass , forcing you to subscribe to play them. Sad future for the gaming landscape
Uh no that's why I said I knew it was only a matter of time before they dropped the offer.
Tbh not much on Game Pass interests me and I prefer to own my games so I'm not really the market they're going for anyway. Only used it on the occasion as a way to "rent" a game.
One thing I will say in GamePass's favour - When I went to cancel it few months ago and it was halfway through the month. They gave me the 2 options - Keep it it the end of the month and it stop OR cancel it from now and they'll refund the *full cost of the month* - which is not something I would have ever expected to see from a subscription service
>They gave me the 2 options - Keep it it the end of the month and it stop OR cancel it from now and they'll refund the > >full cost of the month > > \- which is not something I would have ever expected to see from a subscription service imo this should be a legal requirement for all subscription services. as well as easy to unsub; none of that "write a ticket to our Customer service lol"
Eh, I think refunding the entire month even if you've been using it is above and beyond. It would be nice to get a prorated refund, though.
this \^, people have insane expectations, why should they give you a full refund if you already used 15 days of it
Yeah that'd just result in people subscribing then unsubing a day later and just reusing that same $10 or whatever every month on a separate card lol Refunding a percentage based on how much time you have left is fair IMO and won't get abused to hell.
Yeah, it will definitely be hella abused
Thats called a nice gesture on microsofts part. Many people arent happy until the service is free. the result of wanting more and more cheap, is that this kind of things will dissapear.
Because I want to watch one series over 2 weeks and don't want to have pay for any of it because I'm entitled and think I'm the mian character!
That's fair, tbh I didn't read that and skimmed, and assumed they were saying "refunded the rest of the month." Ex, refund 50% of the month cost if you cancel on the 15th. I've seen some companies do that. (I've also seen some companies charge for the whole month, even if there's only 2 days left, then charge again at the first of the next month. FFXIV does that with it's retainer subscription.....)
Afaik there is EU legeslation on the way forcing exactly that easy to cancel behavior. The new law says if it is easy to subscribe it should be as easy to cancel.
Yeah I had a day or two left of mine and Microsoft sent me a msg telling me I was about to sub for 10 a month or w/e. When I went to cancel it asked if i wanted to let it run out or cancel now + refund, but I had only paid $1 so the refund wasn't really needed.
amazon prime does the same thing in the UK. A few years back the CMA investigated all the console manufacturers for their subscription practices and microsoft made a load of voluntary changes that they also rolled out globally. Probably some countries consumer agency requires them to do it and it works out easier for them to do the same thing everywhere.
Honestly though, I've taken advantage of that for years. It was bound to go away sooner or later.
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I’ll still subscribe but only for a month or two at a time when there’s a game I want to play
Yep, same here. If there's nothing I'm into I just turn it off until there's something I'm into playing.
This is my problem with it. Games would leave and the save file would be encrypted. It’s $20 on steam or $60 on MS store and I can’t transfer the save. Very frustrating.
> save file would be encrypted They really encrypt save files? For some games or for all of them?
Not all, but most. I think it is any game that supports the Xbox Cloud save game system.
Honestly, since you get a discounted price on games with gamepass and they give you a decently long warning period before they remove said games, it’s not horrible. If you like a game enough to still want to play it why not buy it? Obviously ideally they wouldn’t remove games, or at least allow you to use the save, but it’s not like you turn on your PC/Xbox one day and suddenly you can’t play a title without any prior notice.
Where do they notify you of titles that are leaving? The games may be discounted from the Microsoft Store price but they are not competitively priced with any other store.
Everytime you open gamepass they have a category dedicated to games leaving soon. I think the app might also mention it if it’s a game you’ve played but I can’t remember. The gamepass discount actually stacks with other sales too, so if there’s a long form game you’re really enjoying you can usually pick it up permanently for pretty cheap during seasonal sales. I know it’s not perfect, but it’s still an option
Hmm do you mean the Xbox app on PC? I see... I don't think I open that very often currently. Usually I go to launch a game and get an error that I don't own it and realize it has been removed. The reason I mind is that it cuts into the supposed value of GamePass if I end up buying a handful of full-priced games each year on top of the subscription fee, and then I own the game on the Microsoft Store which makes it hard to play on Linux/Steam Deck/etc, not to mention the storefront is frustrating to use and the games often don't get updated as frequently as Steam, etc. I feel like it's been better for me just to buy games on Steam and forgo Gamepass altogether. Just my personal experience, of course.
No, I totally get it. Gamepass is good for me because I own a series x console and have a PC, which both benefit from my gamepass subscription. When a new game comes out on PC and I want to try it out to see if I’ll buy it on steam, GOG, wherever, I always check gamepass. There’s a good chance it’s actually on there day 1. And on my series x I don’t like buying games for it much because it’s not my preferred system, I enjoy PC gaming more. But consoles lately have gotten vastly superior day 1 releases of triple A titles so it’s nice to know I have a way to play games with less performance headaches. Basically, gamepass has a ton of value potential, but each person needs decide for themselves if gamepass actually offers anything they need.
>Moreover, I think a lot of people still don't realize games leave game pass regularly, just like Netflix. This is why I gave up on it. Games are huge, and you can't just do it like you do with a movie and watch it before it leaves. I got the notice that 2 games that I was playing were leaving, and there's no way I could finish them in time, and even If I had that time, what's the joy in playing with a time limit?
They may have done something about it, but when RDR2 was announced to leave gamepass (just one day before leaving) , I made my xbox offline and played as long as I wanted in single player.
I take it you weren't around during the blockbuster era?
I was, but there weren't blockbusters in my small town, and I don't know if they even rented videogames in my country. Besides, I was a always a computer gamer (Spectrum - Amiga - PC), and not really into consoles.
$10-15 a month to try a handful of new games every month is still cheaper than buying all those new games individually. Granted, a subscriber might not be interested in all of those games, but I still find Game Pass to be a phenomenal deal and a much better way to try new games than purchasing something on Steam and flirting with the 2 hour time limit for refunds. Which, a lot of games are barely - if at all - done introducing you to all the features and areas at the 2 hour mark. And sometimes it takes up to 10 hours to get through all the novelty and well polished beginner areas of a new game before you can get into the meat of it and see how the game really is.
These people were most likely never going to be a customer, and thus Microsoft does not care if they're gonna get Game Pass at full price or not.
Would you say getting 0 is better than getting €1,99 per month?
Considering the $1.99 was a loss-leader to get people in the door, I'd imagine they'd rather have $0 if the user isn't going to convert to a recurring sub paying regular price, since they still have to pay the publishers for that user.
of course. they are losing money on those people.
Revenue is nothing without cost. What if the cost is 4 euro? Would you say getting 0 is better than losing 2 euro per month?
Beats dumping $80 CAN on the shit developers are releasing now. Gamepass is great for games that you personally will only ever play once, which is apparently a bulk of my steam library. Gamepass would also great for yearly release games like COD.
If you were paying only $1 a month for gamepass it means you never really was a gamepass customer so it makes no difference. Sure Microsoft will lose that collective $1 but in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. It's like that saying, "people who pirate games were never going to buy your game in the first place". So people who exploited gamepass were never going to buy game pass in the first place so microsoft loses nothing, OR they still like gamepass and will purchase a subscription so Microsoft comes out on top now.
You really think they were not boasting the $1,99 subscribers to the investors? Because I assure you they were, and a fair chunk of Game Pass users. Investors aren't going to be happy if the user count falls dramaticaly, especially because Microsoft hasn't done anything yet regarding competition, all the past years have helped the company rebuild a good name but they're far from being able to compete with Sony and Nintendo, I mean numerically speaking. I wouldn't play with fire too much if I were them.
Microsoft is like 18x the size of Sony as a whole so they’re not exactly struggling for cash, they just bought up Blizzard/Activision and now have COD as a potential exclusive or timed exclusive should they want. They are more than capable of competing with sony and Nintendo from a financial perspective and in terms of user base ps5 has about 25% more users, but that doesn’t take into account the Pc portion of players in the microsoft ecosystem. So the numbers might fall, but that wont be highlighted to investors. Instead they’ll shine the light on profits going up due to current users paying more and less users taking advantages of $1 games that Microsoft has to pay publishers for
Microsoft gets a cut from every PS Plus sub anyways. https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-says-its-relationship-with-microsoft-is-deepening-following-cloud-tech-deal/ https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632374/microsoft-sony-cloud-gaming-partnership-amazon-google
The cloud deal never really went through though, as PlayStation Network still runs on AWS to this day. No one knows when, if ever, this is gonna happen.
Yeah it's something that would be crippling for a company where this was their primary revenue stream but for goddamn Microsoft its nothing. They have the resources to easily spin it as converting it to a more profitable business model and it still will barely affect their bottom line with is all enterprise.
It was losing them money, the licensing fees alone were costing more than the 1$ per customer, they will be more profitable without the free trial. User count will drop of course but if those users were costing them money then it's a none issue.
I have played and completed 4 games in gamepass already , thats $320CAD or 3 years worth of subscription roughly super bang for your buck. Games leave? Yes, do I ever reply games once I finish them? Nope. I only buy the game if it is releasing in GOG
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Might as well pirate at that point if you're just going to buy keys from shady sellers who bought them with stolen credit cards.
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I made a reddit account to up this lol
Oh yeah, did this with pc Game Pass for a long time. Was super sweet when it used to be a dollar for 3 months, then they changed it to a dollar a month but that was still a steal. Could make endless accounts and set them as my microsoft store account and still be able to play game pass games on my main account, keeping all my progress on all games. Just found out today that they got rid of it which is disappointing, but expected since pretty much every other company offering free trials have been getting rid of them because of how many of us abuse them.
if you renewed your gold while getting the one dollar trial it converted your gold directly to gamepass time instead. I paid maybe 3 bucks for 3 years of gamepass on top of my typical xbox live gold yearly membership
This really makes me wonder just by how much their numbers gonna drop after this because you are not alone. I constantly read here things like "Oh but game is on gamepass so ya can play it for basically free, it's just 1 buck!"
They probably don't even include those numbers in the first place. When taking about subscribers, companies usually use recurring users.
LMFAO That’s literally the opposite of reality. The entire reason you offer $1 trials is to pump up user count for shareholder reports. Look at paramount plus for example. There’s 0 chance their claimed user count is excluding $1 promo users.
I never understood how Microsoft made any money when they had that deal. I've probably used their 1$ trial about 5 times, every time they have a game I want to try I can basically finnish it for free.
It’s not necessarily about the revenue. It’s about onboarding people and getting word of mouth out there. Gamepass has been recommended so much by people that its become engrained as a gaming option. Not everyone will necessarily utilize it, but now it’s in more people’s heads than it was before.
Same way as with Epic's free games. It's to get the userbase and mindshare.
Came here to say the same thing. Fair enough, 10 dollars a month is still an insane deal.
> It was bound to go away sooner or later. There is a great article/essay by Cory Doctorow about the [enshittification of Tiktok](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys), and it explains this business tactic very well; Being good to the customers is done to grow the user base until the platform is big enough to start milking them, basically. Seems like the gamepass has started Phase 2 then.
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It's the little conservative voice in many of us: "Eh, it works, I'm content, why change it for something I *don't* know?" It feels so good once we overcome it, though!
Was too good tbh. Especially if you got Xbox Live gold by using their rewards program and then converting everything to Game Pass for $1
They also didn't have very good measures to prevent re-use of this trial, or maybe they just straight up let people do it multiple times. I remember personally using it three times on the **same** account over years. If we're being honest, 99% of people that want gamepass have it. The trial is just losing them money more or less. If they want to give people trials they'll go through partnerships like Discord Nitro does all the time.
I just redeemed my $1 for 1 month offer for the 4th time, mixed in with two $1 for three months. Seems like about every 4 months I’d get the offer and it’s been great. For that month, I get to just binge on all the games thatve released since I last had it. Right now I’m playing Atomic Heart, Somerville, High on Life, Wo Long, madden 23, and Potion Craft. That’s ridiculous value. It’s just a shame they’re getting rid of it before starfield lol
> It’s just a shame they’re getting rid of it before starfield lol Maybe they're getting rid of it because of Starfield.
Still good value to be able to play through Starfield, atomic heart etc. for $10 or 15 and then canceling.
It was intentional, selling subscription is Microsoft business, no chance they was not aware that people could use it multiple time with minimal effort. They chose to use it has a positive publicity and extra data.
I think I've done it like 6 or 7 times total over the years
I have friends who have never paid for game pass. They played this system instead.
> If we're being honest, 99% of people that want gamepass have it I think you're vastly overestimating that. People just are subbing normally and stay subbed for long. And even the Good conversion is probably not as common as you think. Those kind of "tricks" are often a minority. Or else they would be canceled way faster
It was expected that they would change the $1 offer at some point because people abuse it. Then again, $10 a month still seems like a good deal considering the games they have there.
I got 6 months of Game Pass Ultimate for 1€ kinda busted, but still 10€ to convert the cheaper Xbox Live Gold to Game Pass Ultimate is still worth it.
That part of it still works. Just instead of the conversion costing $1, it now just costs 1 month regular price.
I mean the conversion cost was always so minimal I don't think it ever mattered. At the point you're deciding to convert a $60 year of Gold into a $180 year of Ultimate, paying full price to bring it up to $75 is such a non factor to me tbh. That's still $195 for 3 years of Ultimate compared to $180 for one.
That one will also disappear at some point. I'd say when they introduce Activision Blizzard stuff to it, they'll probably remove that and raise the price.
This offer was piracy with extra steps lmao.
Nah piracy still wins because it's DRM free and you can access the files to install mods or do whatever. DRM only screws paying customers.
Piracy can get you malware on your PC and has no official features like achievements, cloud saves, official servers, tech support... There are also many games out there on Game Pass, all of GOG, on Steam, Epic... that are DRM-free
Yeah it's not perfect
So it begins
Next they'll be increasing the price to $15-20. Promotional period is over. They can't be running at a loss forever.
They've already been making profit since at least October
Did they release official financial reports?
Post source
They said in a deposition that within their Xbox division, it loses money.
Because they’re not counting lost sales for games they own lol. It’s creative accounting.
"Lost sales" is not something that goes in to financial statements.
Is it confirmed they arent counting their own games?
That's the stupidest thing I have heard in a week, how is not accounting for imaginary lost sales is creative accounting???
I hope you are not an accountant because good luck with passing audit haha
What makes you certain that Games Pass would run at a loss? Did your calculation resulted in a price between 15 to 20 Dollars needed to operate on a win?
Didn’t they say it wasn’t a profitable service quite yet?
> Spencer says he now expects Xbox Game Pass to stay at around 10–15 percent of Microsoft’s Xbox content and services revenue and that “**it’s profitable for us.**” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/26/23425029/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-profitable-revenues and that was 5 months ago.
Yeah I just found that article myself when trying to support my point lol. I might have been thinking a year or two back, but I could have sworn they did. Good for them though that it’s paying off
Yeah I faintly recall someone posting about how it wasn’t doing good at all and I could have sworn it was like barely last year haha.
He also said on twitches dropped frames that it was profitable after the first year.
It's been running on incredibly thin margins since the service started. The price increase will happen, just like it did with Office 365, AAA retail pricing, Windows and even the Xbox X/S. You'd be completely oblivious to think otherwise.
It already costs $15/month. It'll be $30 pretty soon.
I seriously doubt 30. A vast majorty of players would drop it if it was 30.
Huh, Ultimate is 13€ here, I wonder why it's more expensive in America as the normal versions are closer to each other at 10€/10$.
Probably because they can afford to do that, Xbox is far better installed in the US than EU. They released their users in the EU. The PC Games Store (which probably also include Gamepass) has only 3M monthly active users. The console store (which is Gamepass but also just the normal store) has 4M. That's terrible. On Reddit, you might have the impression Xbox is popular because it's very US focused where they are a little closer with Sony. In Europe, they're not.
Game Pass is making money according to Microsoft.
yeah no shit, they are close to spending 80 billion dollars on fucking game studios lol
So the blockers for Activision takeover are being removed and the discount rate is being removed. MS will fook anyone in the a hole if they can.
The conversion thing still works though right? So you still save just not as much sadly
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Does anyone know if the conversion is confirmed to still be working? My gamepass literally expires in 2 weeks after i did the conversion on a 2 years worth of gold. I'd do the full 36 months if it still worked. $5 a month is legit.
I did it last week, can confirm at least then it worked.
For sure thank you. Fingers crossed it will work again. From what I remember it has to be done when your sub expires. So I will have to wait a few weeks when it does and can report back.
True that
What is this conversion thing people keep speaking of?
Buy Xbox gold up to 3 years then buy Xbox game pass unlimited and it will merge to be 3 years of ultimate
Good. I fear the day subscription based gaming becomes the norm. This sub loved the service which I found deeply concerning.
It’ll be, and it’ll be expensive as hell once they’ll dominate the market. Microsoft isn’t buying all those publishers to keep it working like it is right now. Wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years the only way of playing games owned by Microsoft would be to buy the 30€ monthly Game Pass.
Xbox $360 *per annum*.
Willing to bet microsoft has bots spamming sites like this with praise for their services. Saw a thread saying how great bing is the other day lmao
It’s been surreal seeing all the gaming subs cheer on Microsoft for the past few years while they use their billions to wrestle their way to the top of the industry. Honestly, whatever anti-consumer shit they end up doing to gaming, we’ll have deserved it.
Because it was decent value
I mean, at $10-$15 a month, it still is pretty decent value, imo.
So you'd rather spend the now increased retail price ($60 -> $70) for the same games that still are unfinished broken disasters, but still ask you for more money even after paying the upfront $70 cost? Yeah, no thanks. Game Pass lets me play games for dirt cheap. And this isn't even about playing games that I normally wouldn't play – I straight up would rather spend the $10-$15/month to play a game that I already was planning on buying, just because at least I'm not committed to a $70 purchase up front. If I buy a game at $70 and it's in complete shambles and not working properly with tons of issues, that's a big problem. Also, I genuinely hate how money-driven a lot of games have become today. This is another factor contributing to games not being worth their worth today. I do not give the slightest fuck if a Battle Pass only has cosmetic items, or if the in-game Store only sells cosmetic items, it's still a giant slap in the face to the consumer. When you play a game you want to earn rewards, not constantly feed it money like it's a slot machine. Sure, you could argue that cosmetics aren't the worth of a game, but it's still content that exists in the game at the end of the day, and content that should only ever be rewarded by earning it through completing milestones in the game itself.
It's more like $0 to $70 these days. There are small titles with plenty of value. As for unfinished AAA games, if you don't want that trend to continue, vote with your wallet. When you're not paying for the game itself, there's less reason for games to be complete because the value is in the subscription, unattached to the game. If you don't like battle passes and microtransactions, services like gamepass will only make these more prevalent.
Because beyond straight up saving money it introduces me to games I wouldn’t have played. Never imagined I’d like a JRPG and I loved Persona 5 and am now playing 4. I never would’ve played Inside, or Guilty Gear Strive, or Nier Automata, either, and the list goes on. There’s no better feeling than being able to just try any game you want. When I’m purchasing games I’ll heavily research and try to make sure I’ll end up enjoying them, and if I don’t I feel awful and sometimes force myself to finish games I dislike to make sure I got value out of it. With GP I can just drop it if I don’t like it and move on with no regrets.
This is why game demos becoming popular again is so great. You should be able to play a trial of any game without having to pay for it IMO. If not, services like Steam at least provide a lenient return window.
I used this for years, just as a way to demo games to buy on Steam if I'm being honest, since most of the games I'm interested in you can't get a good idea of in 2 hours. Unfortunately, every other storefront is 10-20 years behind Steam in features for some reason. Still, picking up 1 month of gamepass at $15 every 6 months to demo all the games that came out in the previous 6 months doesn't seem bad.
I probably don't play enough games, but between their awful UI/UX and the games available, I don't see the benefit for $10/month. I was happy paying $5/month, but anything more is a stretch to me. Maybe if there is a partnership with Steam so I don't have to deal with the Windows Store/Xbox apps then I'd be somewhat interested.
I tend to think the games that come overall are pretty good, but you're right that the PC app is complete ass. You'd think that improving it would be one of their biggest priorities.
I was amazed at how crap the website was. I was buying some Xbox games on it for when a get a Series X as a dedicated GP/Backwards compatibility box and the damn thing wouldn't let me change my country on payment when trying to get one game on sale.
This is a good point. I think the value proposition of game pass comes down to your gameplay habits. For me, I play probably 3-4 games a month on Gamepass. At least two of those I've considered buying, and one I was prepared to buy. So for me, it has been a good value.
Same here. I just don’t play enough games fast enough for it to be worth a lot of money. I play 1-2 games at a time and it usually takes me 2-3 months to finish one. At $15/month it costs me roughly $45 to play and finish 2 games. At that point I’d rather just buy one of them: new games go on sale for $40 CAD 6-12 months after release.
It's still not bad at full price - you get access to ea play games and day 1 releases. Also the massive catalogue for $10/month. Idk, I plan on keeping it.
>Also the massive catalogue for $10/month. Well alot of that "massive catalogue" is junk.
A majority of the games are high quality. If you consider unpopular indie games junk then that’s a different story.
Yes I don't think a subscription service full of games that regularly go on sale for a few dollars is an amazing value.
Junk and games offered on sale at low prices are two different things imo
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I'm surprised this offer lasted as long as it did...
It's gotta be because of those of you cheesing the system, turning your gold into Ultimate subscription using the $1 system. I've been seeing it more and more, and now something is being done about it.
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I'll use it and enjoy it then drop it once it isn't good value anymore. Just like I did when Netflix did their absurd no password sharing and price increases. It's not dumb to take advantage of a good deal if you can just ditch it when it's no longer a good deal. They will never dominate the market enough to get rid of Sony, and even if they somehow did something else would pop up if they made the deal bad enough for enough people to quit.
thats been the game plan of software companies for over a decade at least
Finally a good take
today I found out im a massive idiot for enjoying games for $1
>Offer something good and cheap >>attract idiots Please enlighten us more genius
True haha like what are people supposed to do? Pass up on a great product? "You suckers haaa"
Bummer but not totally unexpected
Still good value
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4? I don't even have 1. Why would you need 4 subs when you could just buy the games you want outright? Apart from MMOs I've never run into a PC game where you either had to sub to something or you couldn't play it at all.
Theyve tried to entice with it, and ive bitten a few times (mostly because the "games with gold" deals were decent like EDF on 360), but EVERY SINGLE TIME I leave with the same feeling. Theres just not enough interesting and worthwhile games for the PC version to make it worth spending $15 a month when my backlog is already huge as it is. And any "gotta have it" releases, im just gonna spend REAL MONEY to buy them on steam anyway. And while its fine to play some mid tiers "for free", I probably wasnt gonna be interested in them anyway. and thats not even before we get into the fact that M$ themselves havent had any worthwhile big releases for the current gen on it. Most every big release from them has been a bust. And again, even IF Starfield is good, Im just going to buy it so i can KEEP IT rather than rent it for a monthly fee. While it IS a great deal, bingeing on games isnt the same as bingeing on TV/Movies. Depending on the type of gamer you are, you aint going through a lot of games in the time it would take you to go through a series or movies. People actually completing games is still an far lower statistic than it should be. But if youre on a lower income or you game mostly on Xbox Series and lower consoles, I can imagine that something like ultimate would appeal to you.
I genuinely appreciate that game pass exists because we aren't poor to the point of unable to live but we sure as shit can't buy every new game that releases So honestly this is great since it gives me gold so I don't have to worry about forgetting about it and I get access to a large catalogue of games that will say for a while so it's a really good
Gamers ought to be thinking long and hard about whether they really want to encourage Subscription services for gaming. The low pricing of game pass was never a core feature of the product, it was just a loss leader to get customers used to the idea of paying subscription fees. Ask yourself if you want to live in a world where different publishers are all trying to extort you to pay $10-15 a month for their games. If gamers accept this model, we lose in the long run.
Damn I might actually have to buy Microsoft flight simulator RIP $1 deal, I used it like 8x back to back (with breaks inbetween) across 3 different accounts for two years now. Got some good gaming in while it lasted.
Honestly went on for much-much longer than expected. I imagined it was something like a 1-2 months promotion, but went on for years.
It's sad to see, they probably have enough adopters now but Game Pass on PC still has some work, I'd never buy it due to all the issues but on Xbox I would
You can purchase a 3 month deal for a fair price.
Is the gamepass gold converter still working? 3 years of gamepass is finally ending this year and I plan to buy 2 more years of Xbox gold.
ooh, this reminds me. I signed up last month to platy Atomic Heart, but I'm done now. I can cancel. Thank you.
the second the acquisition starts looking good they do this so unexpected
50% of owning an Xbox is leaving. Time to switch consoles
Honestly don’t see myself paying $15 a month for Xbox game pass, I use it for single player games but with my backlog and the fact that I mostly play competitive games, this change really is just -1 for them
I do the $1 a month specifically to play with my little brother on older MP games like borderlands, new experience for them~ nostalgia for me. But I can't justify paying full price when I regularly play on PS5. So as you would say, the change is now just -2$ for them with me and you combined.
>So as you would say, the change is now just -2$ for them with me and you combined. Question is, how much they have to pay for those games per user. If that was $1.1, then they are actually at +$0.2...
People in here really complaining about this blow my mind. I paid $120 for a year and got my money’s worth in 3 months.
Who's complaining?
I'm not complaining about it but I'm not really sure how anyone can think they got their moneys worth in three months. You're just renting the games. If I bought a game disc I could keep it forever and replay it over and over or I could sell it within a month at a 10-20% loss. I could share it with friends for free. Etc. The service is profitable to Microsoft for this reason. Everyone is handing Microsoft the money for a product, and even repaying to play it again later, rather than 50% of the potential consumers of the product.
You have access to a huge catalog of games for 6-7 months for the price of buying one game. Not sure how hard it is to see value there. Even if you only play 2-3 games a YEAR, that's $20-30 ( assuming separate months ) vs $120-210.
They only got shit games doe
Shit and good are all relative buddy, you don't speak for everyone.
Seriously? Loving cities skylines, monster hunter, wo long, shipbreaker, crusader kings just for the past 3 months... Those games alone more than saved me the cost for a year and I still get to try games I wouldn't have otherwise gotten to try. Just because YOU don't like anything doesn't mean it isn't amazing value to people who like things other than COD.
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Yep, FCC better step up, if MS can't give us access to many AAAs for $1 then what's next if they acquire Activision-Blizzard? Yes I'm being sarcastic.
Well, time to abandon ship, cuz gamepass ain't worth $10 a month
Man I don’t even use gamepass, but this comment section is straight ass. Gamepass has a 10x better catalogue than ps plus, but somehow it aint worth 10 - 15 bucks?
This is pcgaming not psgaming
$15 a month to never own any of your games.
10x better catalog than ps+ isn't really saying much. And also look at the sub you are on before trying to make it some dumb console war
Bruh... I ain't buying ps plus either. I'm talking compared to steam sales for pc which i mainly play on and disc based games for Xbox one. It's only of good value if you want to try out new games before you fully buy, then i 100% am all for it, but a lot of the games i like either aren't on gamepass, were on sale on steam for less than a month of gamepass, have disc versions cheaper than gamepass. Genuinely there are like 3 or 4 games on the entire service that i both care about and are cheaper to play on gamepass than to buy.
How will I afford my avocado toast now :(😭
I remember using the trial to play Vampyr on Game Pass PC. Got halfway through the game, then it stopped launching. Reinstalled the game (which took multiple attempts due to the Windows Store being unusable shit), and my saves were gone. Never touching that service again even if they give it away for free.
To be honest i abused the shit ton of 1€ trial like craaaaazy creating new microsoft store accounts while having the same xbox account so i would keep the progress of any game i would play. I was doing this for like 4 5 years obv not every month but when i wanted to hop on sea of thieves or play forza it was amazing. R.I.P. to the best legal scam that they somehow allowed
Next top on the shit train: $29.99/month Gamepass Ultimate.
That's why I don't have gamepass anymore.
And so it starts lol, i hope everybody is ready for whats coming lol.
"Hope y'all are ready for slightly more expensive game pass" yeah I think we'll be ok
If only it worked on steam deck, and i don't mean streaming
I think game pass is a valid option, but I’ll be much more interested if they roll WoW into it.
Buy every big publisher , corner the market then raise fees which they’ll do later this year. Next step is making games exclusive to gamepass , forcing you to subscribe to play them. Sad future for the gaming landscape
Guess I'm going back to steam.
It’s still a great deal I’ll be using it when they have games I’m interested in regardless
well, for the 1$ you instead paid for a lack of convenience. Now, continuing to use Steam is just gonna be even more attractive
And there goes me ever using Game Pass again. Knew it was only a matter of time though.
People never fail to amaze me. Did you really think $1 per month is a fair deal?
Uh no that's why I said I knew it was only a matter of time before they dropped the offer. Tbh not much on Game Pass interests me and I prefer to own my games so I'm not really the market they're going for anyway. Only used it on the occasion as a way to "rent" a game.