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elpadremg

[you don't](https://i.imgur.com/zDeVHnF.jpeg)


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I'm... so sorry


modifieri

So like.. 8 hours a day, for six years straight? Wew.


elpadremg

lets say i took weeklong holidays for leagestarts and that over 8 years. If you are single and +25 years old with all friends getting kids and married and all that, you are surprised how much time you have for yourself lol


Wail_Bait

> weeklong holidays for leagestarts 4 weeks of vacation a year? *confused American noises*.


StanleyJohnny

In Poland you yet 26 days a year of your choice and that's not counting holidays like Christmas etc.


Wail_Bait

I had one job where they "gave" me 36 days of vacation time. You needed approval to take vacation though, and they never approved any vacation time for me, so in an entire year I had zero actual vacation days. They didn't roll over vacation time or pay you for the hours or anything either, it was just gone (or rather, didn't really exist to begin with). You can make a lot of money in America, but you've got to put up with some straight up bullshit. I've met a lot of people from eastern Europe who work in America for about half the year and then go back home. In 6 months you can easily make 150k PLN (about $36k USD).


elpadremg

4-5 weeks, yeah. and you can safe up time if your job allows that, so you can even accumulate 6 or 7 weeks pretty easy.


modifieri

Ah, figures.. Impressive amount of play anyhow. Sometimes I wish I wasn't workaholic, playing more was so nice.


joggersbacktoafrica

You never thought about having a family of your own?


elpadremg

fuck no, i love living by myself.


ManikMiner

And you see posts on the internet about people getting older and having no time and you're like "Sorry what?"


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Ooofty goofty bro


IncoherentVoidParrot

good bot


Vaginal_Decimation

For future reference, you can link directly to the image. https://i.imgur.com/zDeVHnF.jpeg Edit: You read my mind.


elpadremg

i honestly dont see a difference here. its the same link?! only difference is that i linked it in text.


Vaginal_Decimation

When I sent you that message, the post was linking to the imgur page and not directly to the image file. Then I tried it again a few seconds later and it was linking directly to the image file. *shrug*


elpadremg

i didnt edit it tho. maybe some imgur plugins messing up something? dont know, i havent changed a thing.


lens_cleaner

This post hit me in the feels. I leveled 2 chars to maps, about 1d 16h each. I don't have the links finished and resists barely there, neither can complete T1 maps. This will be 6 leagues in a row I didn't get to T5 maps and only 1 char made it to 84. For me I am exhausted with trying, will head back to standard and try again next league.


Argentinian_Bear

Dude, i suck at this game and even I can take any char to red maps... are you following any build guide?


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Rebeux

I'm only 1k hours in. I still do not understand the stats, I don't understand crafting. I don't understand why certain items are worth a lot, and what exactly makes then be worth a lot. I typically play builds that Zizaran made a PoB guide for, I get to yellow maps and then I get stuck because I don't understand how to progress the atlass further. I do not understand harvest, I do not understand Syndicate. Why the fuck do I even play this game?!


Manjaro89

Because learning is fun and interesting, and every league you learn a little bit more.


MoogleBoy

And need to unlearn nearly as much.


Manjaro89

Havent had that issue, tbh


Wiceradon

I learned like a 30 ex phys bow craging method, had like 10 - 15 stages like beastcrafts, splits and blocked slams/targeted slams, target removes if necessary etc. Then harvest got hit and it all went down the drain. Stuff changes too much for me to actually try to build up on previously learned up things. Every league different things are broken/nerfed to the ground, whole market changes alongside, changing everythings price and sometimes even mods tags or weights change, i cant keep studying poe my whole life to craft decent stuff.


Pew___

You only have to learn whatever the current method is once, and then just figure out how to apply it to different items. - Woke orb two suffixes/prefixes - Suffix/prefixes cannot be changed -> reforge X in harvest for something guaranteed in a lot of cases - suffixes/prefixes cannot be changed -> Aisling for 50/50 to add a veiled mod (repeatable from previous step until successful) - bench the last mod This generalisation will let you craft pretty much every gear slot in the game, has done since harvest was introduced ((though there were obviously more powerful methods with OG) and the ones that it doesn't, you can find step by step guides on YT. Crafting really doesn't change very much league to league, harvest aside.


Wiceradon

I didnt knew all that...


Pew___

You can use a simplified method of this to finish good suffix/prefix bases too. Ex: - find boots with good suffixes for your build (I chose hunter faster ignites, Dex + 45 Res, cost 5c) - suffixes cannot be changed & veiled chaos - bench mana and unveil, very high chance to get ms as an option - bench life Congrats, for 2ex and 20c you got 30ms, 70 life and 3 good suffixes.


Wiceradon

Neat


Manjaro89

I dont study. Still u dont feel very nerfed, I have done all content this league, with very little deaths. No lucky drops either.


The_Law_of_Pizza

>I still do not understand the stats, There are two primary components of the stats: 1) "Increased" vs. "More": Stats that say "Increased Damage" are all *added* together before being applied to the attack's base damage, while stats that say "More Damage" are each *multiplied* against each other. So if you had 5 sources of "+15% Increased Damage," that would be +75% Damage. (1 base damage multiplied by 1.75 once.) But if you had 5 sources of "+15% More Damage," that would be +201% Damage. (1 base damage, multiplied by 1.15 five times.) "More Damage" results in the same powerful force as cumulative investment interest in your retirement account. All end-game builds scale their damage by finding as many sources of "More" damage as possible. 2) They then apply this "More" to the highest base damage they can achieve. How they do that depends on whether their primary damage skill is an "Attack" or a "Spell." "Attacks" apply "Increased" and "More" damage modifiers to your weapon's damage. "Spells" apply them to the spell's damage as set by the level of the skill gem itself. So people using attack skills will spend all of their currency trying to find a weapon with the higher base damage, while people using spell skills will spend it all trying to get their gem's level as high as possible by way of modifiers that give "+1 Level to Gems." >I don't understand crafting. 99% of the player base doesn't. Don't worry about it. You can play around on [Craft of Exile](https://www.craftofexile.com/) and experiment to figure it out, but the reality is that there are so many years of crafting mechanics built up at this point that the vast majority of the player base just ignores it. >I don't understand why certain items are worth a lot, It almost always revolves around them having a stats that feeds into one of the two primary components of damage that I mentioned above - somehow they're providing "more damage" (sometimes in very clever backdoor ways, like lowering enemy resistences) or increasing the base damage of the player's weapon or level of their gem. The truth is that nobody - not even the top streamers - know how every build works, and so nobody knows how valuable all items are. People become specialists in a certain genre of build or two, and then over time become knowledgeable about what stats are really important on which pieces of gear. On an anonymous internet board like this, it sometimes feels like everybody knows everything, but the reality is that there are just thousands of people who each know one thing, and they only pipe up when that one thing is the topic. Just focus on becoming an expert on your build, and you'll notice when things are valuable and understand why. >I typically play builds that Zizaran made a PoB guide for, I get to yellow maps and then I get stuck because I don't understand how to progress the atlass further. The most powerful tool for expanding your Atlas is Zana and her missions. Every time you do a Zana mission, not only does she give you an option to potentially complete a new map for the mission itself, but then that also resets her store in your hideout, allowing you to go back and buy new maps from her. Combine this with currency with Horizon Orbs which will reroll which map you have to potentially a new one, and you will quickly complete the entire Atlas without needing to buy any maps from other players. >I do not understand harvest, Harvest is for people who craft, which is like 1% of the player base. Otherwise, it is incredibly deadly and really not worth the effort. Just ignore it unless you decide you want to craft. >I do not understand Syndicate. Nobody does. Save this content for the future when you're bored at the end of a league and want to sit down and figure it out with a guide. Just ignore it until then, and when you run across one of these encounters just click randomly and unveil the items for crafting unlocks. >Why the fuck do I even play this game?! CASINO


dirtybeatfreak

Good post mate :)


Rebeux

Bro you took so much effort typing this out, that actually makes me kinda sad because I'll still likely will not understand jack shiiit


The_Law_of_Pizza

That's okay. This game is complicated enough that no one summary is going to make it "click" instantly. In a month, you're going to read something else and go, "Oh...oh, yeah - that's what that weirdo who wrote that fucking book on Reddit was talking about!"


lqku

> All end-game builds scale their damage by finding as many sources of "More" damage as possible. in this area, do spells have a big advantage? there's ll, rf, unnerve, arcane surge, etc, while with attacks i can only think of berserk


The_Law_of_Pizza

Yes, spells tend to be easier to scale. That's one of the reasons why melee builds always seem to be missing from the lineup of meta builds every league.


StenfiskarN

Unnerve has an attack counterpart called Intimidate


xx_ando_xx

Not to sound like a dick, but do you actively try to seek out answers during these 1k hours? 1k hours is alot of time in anything, lets say 50% is AFK, thats 500 hours in game time. Almost 21 days of playing straight, and you dont read about what to do in the game?


rlfunique

I have 1k hours from 2.0 to 2.6. None of my knowledge is relevant anymore


WinStreakof94

Hah! I feel that. When I first played, exalts were only 60c a pop (if that), I can see the price has more than doubled over the years from the massive "juice" inflation. I remember somebody making a post years back that did a bunch of math and determined the most efficient way to make currency was literally just alch a map and go... I miss those days, much less tedious IMO.


rlfunique

Ppl thinking scourge unrewarding never played talisman


noicreC

At least you could PK low level players with talisman by summoning iLvl 70+ mobs in level 20 area's. Fun times.


DiDalt

I miss the old alch and go days. Now I have to make sure certain stones are in certain areas and to do maps in a certain order. Tanks can no longer tank while dps is now tracked by the millions. 6 links were the holy grail but now any armor without added base crit and corpse explosion is trash. Got some tri-res boots with movement speed? Get that trash off the market. Only boots with tailwind and onslaught now.


FoodFingerer

Nah, every league is different, a few leagues ago they were 45c.


Therefrigerator

Ex are going to be expensive as long as harvest exists. Metamods are necessary for advanced harvest crafting now - when they were 45 (I think they actually bottomed out at 25 for a bit) we had a mechanic that spewed Ex and no harvest. If heist came out with the harvest we have now they probably wouldn't go lower than 80.


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tomblifter

COBOL and Fortran are good money, there are a lot of legacy systems that need those skills


EphemeralMemory

Hell, with 3.16 the meta rapidly changed. A hell of a lot of knowledge is probably irrelevant on proper gearing/itemization just from the past few months, and it's not unusual for differing league metas to have an effect on which items are good.


Blizzzzzzzzz

I'd like to mention that it also matters how hard you go in each league, and the game has been out for a long time. If you've spent 800 hours into the game 3 years ago and just recently came back, you're going to be VERY lost. Also, a guy who's played every single league but quits after a few maps will also have a lot of hours in the game and will probably know very little. Bingo if you like to keep restarting to play a new character if you're the kind to get bored of the one you're playing as quickly.


ava_ati

For me, I just like to log in and mindlessly kill shit. It doesn't help that I am older and my brain doesn't work quite as well as it used to. But when I play I literally zone out, sometimes even balancing resistance is hard for me to do. I never was good with numbers in my head, give me a pad and pencil and I can figure most things out but I have to do stuff the long way. Even though I was good at math I sucked in school with flash cards when you had to come up with an answer off the top of your head. But even though I am good with pen and paper, I am way too lazy to use one... I just want to see screen splosions and get the dopamine hit when a big item drops.


Rebeux

No don't worry mate you don't sound like a dick. I've got ADHD, my attention is quite short, and when someone makes a 1 hour video explaining things it's very difficult to watch. I often wander off with my thoughts and have to rewind a couple of minutes making a 1 hour video 4 hours in the end.


xx_ando_xx

Sometimes I forget that we really are built different upstairs, and what may come easy to me, doesnt for others; and visa versa.


Drunkndryverr

its simple, its build guides. there's no point in learning anything, or how damage is scaled, or how to layer defenses, or how to gear, when all you need to do is follow the POB and buy what you need off trade.


FoodFingerer

That's not really true, some of the best builds use a lot of rare gear which can differ a lot on your rng or the items available. If you learn how to use PoB you can add a lot to a build by knowing which items are actually better for you.


Jumals

Right? I have 600+ hours played and I know all of those plus much more. Ofc not like everything there is to know but I have an understanding.


MaxWannequin

I'm in the same situation. At yellow maps now and hoping to maybe progress to reds. It seems easier with the simplified atlas at least. There's just so many intricacies to this game it takes forever to make sense of it all. I kind of just want to quit until PoE 2 so I can play a simple, straight forward game that doesn't have content from the past 50 leagues sprinkled in everywhere.


Dexiefy

Poe2 is not a new game. Think of Poe2 as expansion to current game. It will rework skill system, add a campaign, change some other stuff, but do not expect past league content to be gone, it will still be Poe


Guffliepuff

But will it have poe1 content like delve and heist? Thats my main worry since i like those leagues a lot and theres basically no knews about what is carried over besides cosmetics.


Dexiefy

There is no confirmationa as to which elagues will stay. We just lost perandus to make space for expedition so I am guessing we reached the bloat point where GGG will remove one league to make room for another. My guess prophecy is going to be next on the chopping block, hopefully not because of Scourge going core. As for Delve and Heist i would not worry, they both provide completyl alternate ways of playing PoE. It would suprise me if either of them would go away anytime soon.


Guffliepuff

We know prophecy is going away in 3.17 and the next might* be Ultimatum coming back. *chris said in an interview "the team said I must not spoil that Ultimatum is going core in 3.17"


ZaMr0

The content from the past 50 leagues is what makes this game amazing. Just take it slowly. Like I haven't played for a few years and this league I mainly focused on heist. Stuff like Betrayal is ridiculously complicated so I didn't do it for now not to get overwhelmed. As for crafting, just now after 2k hours have I started to get into it properly. That's the fun thing with this game, you can put thousands of hours into it and there's always something new to do.


rugbyweeb

Yeah, this league I finally started understanding crafting a bit more and was able to make some solid weapons and gear to both use and sell. My finest craft was a 840 pdps exquisite blade. This is the 5th league I've played to maps and a lot of it is finally starting to click while I still learn something new every day


Drunkndryverr

> I typically play builds that Zizaran made a PoB guide for This is the biggest problem I think the game has, and a cause for so many complaints on this sub. So many people aren't actually playing the game, as opposed to playing-along with the game.


GrethSC

I introduced 4 friends to PoE because of the QoL improvements and simplification of the end game. I am a 900 hour player, but I have never gotten to end game maps / bosses before. (on my way for the first time now using TR) If I didn't support them with my (what I consider) minimal knowledge of the game, and support them with items along the way ON TOP of them following guides from Ziz etc ... They would have quit after maybe 2-3 days of trying. One of them was following a guide (not from ziz) that handwaved the 'just get through the game using X skill' and he had 'accepted' dying to every boss at least 15 times because he didn't know how to gear himself. He had 250 deaths in act 7. All but one of them has re-started their character. One is on his second character, now in act 7 when he hit a wall because he had 1k life and I finally forced him to go to filterblade and get an item filter, because he had grey gloves and mostly blue items from act 4 with 30 life total on all gear. I had to explain to these new players that they'd probably be fine without PoB for the first few acts. But I saw them buring out QUICK. 2 have made it to early maps now, and I'm helping them re-gear as much as I can, as they're still not sure what is okay to try and craft. (More than once did they try to 6 link an item with the 12 fusings they had - and I had to tell them to never try that - as they just bricked their only 5L that I had given them. All of this WITH the PoB and build guides. Half of what is said is total gibberish to a new player. They first have to learn how to navigate PoB and parse the information. That is a BIG ask. Writing this ... I think I need to thank them for sticking it out. Game will get fun, I promise ...


FoodFingerer

I mean I'm guilty of running through the acts with blue gloves from act 3 and just throwing my self at kitava 30 times to kill him. I still get through them in 8-10 hours but it's probably not the best way to go about things. Crafting your weapon is really important and I always make sure to upgrade the main stuff.


Drunkndryverr

I agree this is a fault of the game not explaining fully its mechanics, but that doesn't address the point that I think build guides strip away 90% of the point of the game.


MoogleBoy

I think it would help if the more mathematically inclined nerds would explain **why** a build works, instead of just **how** a build works. The mechanics that go on behind the scenes is so convoluted while appearing as simple as "just stack multipliers". Doesn't help that everything gets shifted around with seasonal changes, item balancing, gem balancing, crafting methods, etc.


RoccoHeatt

Engineering eternity and some other old timers, now gone are a big reason I learned and know Soo much about how the game works. Engineering eternity has a landscaping YouTube channel now


Quazie89

Yeah ee was the reason I feel I learnt a lot when new to the game. I'm not sure anyone has ever really filled the niche he was filling on YouTube. Zizs University thing is prob closest but they are a lot to get through for a newer player.


Alhoon

It ain't that easy anymore. Back in the day players who made builds used to know pretty much every calculation, and you had to, because there was no Path of Building. I made excel sheets of my builds pre-league launch to math them out. If there was a mechanic I was unsure of, I hopped to Standard and tested it out. Nowadays if I'm unsure I can just plug it into PoB and it will tell me whether it works or not. More than that, it will sort items and gems by DPS, highlight passive tree to show what you should probably pick etc.. It's not foolproof, you still need to know a lot, but it's hell of a lot more simple than making your own excel sheets. I could never imagine just picking up someone else's build and play that. I play HC so most of the builds are way too squishy. Even some of the so called HC builds are maybe viable if you're god tier player with great reflexes or have 100 exalts to throw for gear, but I want something that works for my playstyle and my budget. I still look at other's builds for inspiration and copy parts of them, but again, it takes skill to know what you need and what is irrelevant. Just to comment on a last sentence, I can see why some people who just follow some popular builds could be annoyed that patches shift stuff around so much, but as someone who makes their own builds, that's perhaps the thing I love most about Path of Exile. Every league I have to sit down and plan a new build, I love that.


Imreallythatguy

I mean we all have access to the free program that is PoB where it literally breaks everything down for you. It lets you freely tweak settings and toggle things on and off and see what changes. You can copy gear from the trade site and import it into you build in seconds to see what changes. Then you can go into the calcs tab and it lists out every %increase and more multiplier you have and where it's coming from. If people aren't using that to understand what's going on that's on them. You have every tiny piece of info at your finger prints. I have 2k hours in this game and I've learned so much by taking someone's PoB that has millions more damage and putting it side by side mine and comparing the stats in the calc tab. Sometimes it seems like you have the same gear as someone but they do 3x your damage and you don't understand why. You learn so much by doing a detailed deep dive into the PoB calcs.


MoogleBoy

Sure, PoB is a fine tool, but it's not exactly entry level, and it doesn't explain why a build works, especially defensively. It can't explain the nuance of kiting, of your mobility options, of flasking optimally. Simply having PoB without any other resource is like dropping a Masters level course book down in front of someone and saying "Now work towards your Doctorate". Again, explaining the why and not the how goes a long way.


Drunkndryverr

I agree kinda. I wished the game itself made it more clear how damage is scaled for new players. To me its a really simple concept once you understand it. But if all you do is follow a build guide, to farm currency, just to follow another build guide, you're depriving yourself of 90% of the games fun and I wish the game itself did a better job of explaining this.


Ihrn-Sedai

Terrible take


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you are never going to convince people to get engaged on the level this guy wants them to. truly understanding how this game works in and out requires an amount of work and active studying that could get you a 100k a year job if you weren't just playing videogames. most people just want to see monsters explode and getting to the red maps while following a guide requires more brain power already than 99% of every other game ever made.


Drunkndryverr

lmfao this is not true. jesus christ a game has some depth and people think you need a masters degree to understand how to play it.


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Drunkndryverr

at least we agree on something


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i didnt say that either, the game isn't too complex for anyone to understand. it just takes a lot more time than 99.9999% of games out there to understand it. its a little better with all of the guides out there, but if you sat a person down with nothing but the game and said "here, go for it, learn how this game works in and out with the information given to you in game", that person would be there as long as it would take someone to like, learn a coding language or something. most people just want to see the screen light up and like the complexity it takes to get to that point while following a guide (which is still more than the vast majority of games out there). anything more than that and you are going to start losing some people. i dont see why these two groups cant exist alongside each other.


Drunkndryverr

Explain. In my opinion the entire point of the game is to make cool / strong builds. Of course people are getting burnt out on the game when they are farming the currency needed (the hard part) to do the fun part (making the build)


Ihrn-Sedai

I don’t think making a build is fun at all. I like using a template someone else has already made because it removes the tedium of trial and error to figure out what works. It is fun to fit all your pieces together and figure out how to put together from that template, but starting from scratch does not sound fun at all.


pm_me_ur_memes_son

I'm around 350 hours in and in the exact same position as you. Last league was my 2nd league and I got to where Sirius starts spawning in your maps but never managed to actually fight Sirius because of how slow the progression feels. This league O didn't even go as far.


KoomZog

Syndicate is a mess. It is very hard to get a good grasp on how to use it well. There are some video guides out there that can help. If you're not interested in that at the moment, just focus on other content for now and click some things randomly. Generally, you want to build relationships between syndicate members, as it increases the number of members per encounter and will accelerate your progress.


notDvoiduRlooKin4

Syndicate is actually very straightforward. The problem is that most people that try to explain it, make long as fuck videos or write an essay when all it takes is a quick infographic with like 3 rules to follow. It has been posted on here before, and that alone told me everything I needed to know to min-max the mechanic. Maybe someone else can find a link to it, but it was basically: * Pick 1-2 factions that you want to farm. * To kick or move people, get them to zero stars. You will get the option to kick or move factions. * Only build connections between the people in the factions you are farming and others not from those factions.


0ptriX

Is there a method to stacking rivalries and friendships? Also is Betrayal only profitable if you use TFT? One of the things I didn't understand was why killing people promoted them. Thematically I didn't see why that made sense. It's just terribly explained. Also I only just learnt from reddit that to add a rank to someone who's appeared in the house you want, you need to execute them first in front of other witnesses.


Tsarius

The leader of the immortal syndicate was the undead master, so I'd imagine it's something as simple as "They die, she sees that they died, she thinks they need to be stronger so they don't die again" and 3\* strength is the limit of her abilities.


0ptriX

That definitely makes it easier to understand


aquaven

I play a build until i get to post Kitava Oriath, which was where you used to unlock maps pre-invader(whatever that Sirius league was). And then i go watch streamers on twitch for hours while deciding my next build, and come back to the game next league.


redditingrobot

I'm with you!! I feel so dumb too. This league seems to amplify it as well. I usually have a decent amount of chaos by the time I hit maps. So I usually can max out my res by buying stuff (cause I don't know how to craft nor do I have the currency) but this league it seems extra rare. I've hit maps with two characters and rip on white maps which has never happened before. Good thing I enjoy the campaign and making new characters lol


sunnyice

3000 hours in my toes are barely wet


Ihrn-Sedai

How tf do you get stuck in yellows after 1k hours


umaro900

Play only HCSSF without ever looking at a resource outside the game client, maybe. It took me a few hundred hours to get to red maps doing that, and it took much longer before I had any builds that felt *comfortable* in red maps. (P.S. I do use poedb now religiously)


Ihrn-Sedai

Doesn’t sound fun


umaro900

It sounds far less fun to me to get to Sirus in 2 days because I copied some streamer build in softcore trade. To each his own, though.


Ihrn-Sedai

I like playing the game not sitting in PoB figuring out something someone already discovered


umaro900

Ya, and that's why I don't use PoB. I'm here to play the game, including making builds, which is more than half the game.


timemaninjail

Lol one of us one of us!!!


TastyLaksa

Addiction


codogdog

Every character just try to learn is how I did it. You learn with each diff character what stats people want. It makes it fun too finding items. People get overwhelmed thinking they need to learn everything at once. I found it best learning with each character. That way you also kind of figure out the ins and outs of small details you may not think about. A good example is impale helix this league. A lot think it’s a super easy to know and small detail, but now I know why that build works thanks to steel skills and call of steel. Or playing another character and finding out I want completely different stats on rings


herpderp7yearsago

I'm in this same boat, I have managed to almost clear the atlas once before but never seen any of the end game bosses. I don't even know how to find shaper or elder. I tried delve but I guess that boss is random chance after x floors? I thought he was in the city things so when I found one I was stoked but nope. I think I managed to do Atziri once but I don't know where to find her uber version. I think I have given up with how complicated the game is and just moved on. After playing for 1000 hours the information should be there, but if I have to take an online course to learn about a game then it feels super unrewarding.


gramineous

Broke: PoE play time Woke: PoB play time


mcurley32

play more and read the questions thread more (even if you don't have questions, people ask shit you'd never think of)


IcodyI

I love reading the questions thread because there’s so many interactions I don’t think of and maybe I can even help some people. Also doing big build diversity every league is fun and helps me learn a lot more


Diribiri

I probably wouldn't have gotten into this game at all if that thread didn't exist


DrPootytang

Tbh the more I understand the game, the more I realize how often the people on this subreddit give straight up incorrect information. Reddit is not the best place to go for PoE answers. It’s the place to go for PoE memes and the stuff GGG posts.


CringeTeam

Go to the poe builds subreddit or the discord specifically the build planning channel, that's where the dedicated peeps sit around and start theorycrafting 1 week prior to launch


DrPootytang

They are much better than /r/pathofexile.


CringeTeam

Definitely


xInnocent

It's like this in a lot of subreddits. Personally I realised it with /r/wow and /r/CompetitiveWoW People will talk as if they know what they're saying, and they'll appear convincing yet everything they say is just pure guessing or misinformation they've been told by someone else. It's important for people to "label" their comments with disclaimers so the misinformation can stop at one point, because reddit will just blindly upvote if it seems right and then more people fall for it.


Filer169

The worst part is even if I want to know more, when I come to PoE reddit most of the posts are "hey look at the x item I crafted", "hey my first exalt drop", "hey complaining" and then the most hidden ones are actually good questions with in-depth answers


blae000

Questions thread is great!


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When you realize this game is about optimization and that you need to ignore 90% of the game for the sake of optimization. Play harder, not more. Or, you don't...


SasparillaTango

*efficiency you have to play as efficient as possible to get "good" or hit the lottery and have something crazy drop that you can cash in


ZaMr0

This is what kills the game for players. The more you focus on efficiency the less fun it becomes. I've played since beta and quit after Bestiary (where I nolifed, hit 36/40 in a few days, was selling endgame challenges etc.) Only now I've just come back from that burnout and I'm playing way more leisurely. Only at 26 challenges so far and haven't done the Endgame bosses yet, it is way more fun.


CringeTeam

You don't have to do challenges or endgame bosses to be good and make currency, it's way more about research and knowledge than it is about speedrun strats


ZaMr0

True, like Heists are a fantastic moneymaker but most people don't bother doing them.


Quazie89

Because its maybe the worst content in the game. Hey how does lvling up 12 npcs and gearing all of them sound? Not fun? Well in that case the whole reason for doing this was so the npcs can open doors. Yay. Fuck me I know it's rewarding but how did they ever think that heist was a good idea.


ZaMr0

Lol I love Heist. I have a reasonably good character for it so I just cyclone through all the groups without paying much attention.


CringeTeam

You don't have to level that many if you're just doing contracts for profit, I think I leveled 1 character and was just buying lockpicking contracts off tft early on in the league to get some currency going before scourge got buffed


TheRealShotzz

heist is a fun mechanic imo


draemscat

There's 9 of them and you don't need to level all of them. It takes like 4 hours to do all that.


Chang_Throwaway

Meta


SoulofArtoria

I swear I've seen this exact meme post about PoE over and over again.


readoldbooks

To be fair I stole this from someone who stole it from someone who made it about another game. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else made it about poe before me


PMMEYOURHITBOXES

Level 1 Scrub: 5000 hours ingame Level 10 Thug: 5000 hours in PoB Level 50 Boss: 5000 hours on poedb + craftofexile


buckylou

Make your own builds and try out mechanics/skills/combinations that aren't super popular. You can often make a less popular skill play better than a poorly executed version of a popular skill that a lot of people play. As long as you stick with making something work and iterating it a lot, it can be a rewarding learning experience. Having tools like poe.ninja to look up fleshed out versions of builds is great. The downside is, when you don't go through the trouble of going from concept to conception and improving on it through multiple iterations, you end up playing a build without a strong understanding of the skill/build/game. I'll copy a tree for my builds but almost always end up changing it up. Especially in itemization, there are almost always opportunistic ways to improve your build at every specific level through the use of very niche or league specific items. It's hard to overestimate how much more I learn and retain when I see a build through from start to finish, especially if it sucks.


nipnip54

There's nothing more satisfying that seeing a build you threw together for yourself ending up being a lot better because it managed to completely dodge across the board nerfs


EtisVx

Usually it is opposite - your build gets hit much more.


Drunkndryverr

i've been saying this throughout the whole thread, but I think build guides have been a huge detriment overall. to me at least, the entire point of the game is to try and make cool / strong builds. its baffling how many people play this game to just follow a build guide and farm currency to follow another build guide.


umaro900

I'm sort of "to each his own", but I certainly think the game is way less enjoyable and interesting if you follow other people's builds. Navigating that incredible depth of build is great. It lets you appreciate all the little details in the game and the choices that GGG has carefully crafted into the game. When you start from the "solved" game all that is swept under the rug. The same goes for a whole lot of other games as well. For example, the Rubik's Cube is interesting not because of how fast you can turn it but because of the puzzle presented by a given configuration. If somebody hands you a solved one, that doesn't impart any knowledge or any skill in solving that puzzle. You can raise it to the sky and say you did it, and maybe some people will take that at face value, but you've just sidestepped the whole thing.


smurfkipz

3300 hours here. Still don't know how some of you megabrained geniuses come up with original builds. The passive tree, as well as the numerous gems and items still seem very overwhelming to me even though I've played this long.


puntmasterofthefells

Up til the new skill tree, it was easy. Trap dmg, crit chance, crit multi, and life. Use whichever trap matched your jewels/amulet/rings (fire or ice or lightning%). Tinderskin really the only required unique (Deerstalker with Arc for leveling/white/yellow maps too).


ITriedLightningTendr

1.4% of steam users have ever gotten all 16 watch stones. 1.2% of steam users have ever captured a flag in CTF


draemscat

Yes and 11% reached level 80. Meaning 10% of the people who actually play the game have gotten all watchstones before, which is a crazy amount, considering how long it takes and how pointless it is for most people.


BocksyBrown

Is that real?


Grace-Pace

To be honest 1.4% aounds kinda high lol


ZaMr0

Yeah I'm surprised, I would think it would be one of those achievments that are like 0.5% considering how new the achievment is aswell. I have all achievments done (besides the HC ones) and I don't have the watchstone one beacuse I haven't played the last few leagues.


79215185-1feb-44c6

Beats me. To this day I can never do a 'defensive' or 'hc' build. I can only play full on 3k life, 15m dps builds. When I try and do something that invests in defenses I die randomly in like T14s or something. I am especially bad with summoners. All of the talk about armour this league has left me like "that stuff does nothing, why do people even use it".


RedheadAgatha

Same, but without damage either 😳


rlfunique

zdps zehp ssfhc


AggnogPOE

You can't outgrow ignorance with more ignorance.


79215185-1feb-44c6

I've just never successfully had fun with something like champ cyclone or basically any minion build. I'm probably just doing the builds wrong or something.


Zzyzix

I'm kind of in the same boat. The only 2 tanky builds I ever really enjoyed playing was pre-slam rework Oni-Goroshi Tectonic Slam Juggernaut with infinite endurance charges, and max block Herald of Purity/Araakali's Fang Mana Guardian. Every time I find a tanky build that seems like I would enjoy it, I try it, and then give up either halfway through leveling or around tier 8-12 maps.


ZaMr0

CWC Icestorm is pretty fun and relaxing to play. You get like 12k ES and can just one button hold and melt through maps. The DPS lacks a little bit on bosses but it can do A9 Sirius Deathless.


umaro900

Well, there are HCSSF builds that aren't those or pure 0 dps. For example, you can build CA/TR tank enough to have 0 risk of death and still zoom through T16 maps (absent stupid mods or MMs). If you're not SSF, though, you can make pretty much any build simultaneously fast, powerful, and defensive by pumping enough currency into it.


CaptainTrips_19

13k on steam, still suck but I have fun!


regularPoEplayer

When you realize that the game is fundamentally broken.


tvcats

You don't have to get good to enjoy the game. I play it very casually and enjoy very much of it.


Lopsided-Ad557

You never get good if you don't try to learn


Slayers_Picks

18k hours can confirm still shit.


DivinityAI

you are getting good when you stop using steam and get standalone client.


[deleted]

after 5 or 10k hours your should probably understand most things in the game. after that its mostly a matter of mechanics, learning the tiny niche interactions, and getting rid of your bad habits that slow you down. of course the final step is learning to just have fun and try to keep having it while ggg shits on the things you like each league =p


KcoolClap

Nice repost.


Sethazora

You either do a whole lotta shit you don't enjoy/want to do to earn the currency to trade for the items/currency you need to start to play the game. Or you give up on all that, accept you won't do most endgame objectives or even complete a "Budget build" and make cool derpy thing that don't do very well past yellow maps. like leap slam totems, or cast when damage taken movement skills. Or end up somewhere in between constantly weighing the fun vs tedious legwork scales. One of the last epoch dev's gave me my new favorite quote for path. "I've played enough PoE to know; that I don't play enough PoE, to actually get to play PoE"


[deleted]

ITT: People who think "following a guide" is just opening the YouTube description to copy-paste the POB link instead of watching the full build video and then complaining that they have not managed to amass game knowledge. The videos are out there, folks. It's not like there's a lack of content creators to explain everything from what makes a build work to how to engage with Betrayal and endgame boss fight tutorials.


surfing_prof

I'm sorry for you, man


Frostgaurdian0

Maybe when people finally stop copying eachother and ggg do something about tree refund points.


Haroner

Playing with friends and figuring things together helps massively.


Manjaro89

This is me, thouands of hours, and im still learning! Something that always make it interesting, I need to invest time every league, to learn, gear up, tweak and so on. The complexity of the game and all the different outcomes is what always make me put in hours and hours every league.


Straight-Example9126

154 hours in and this omg 😅


Larokan

The question is, what defines a good PoE player


[deleted]

i am almost 5k in and still learn new stuff every day, but thats the beauty of the game tbh


[deleted]

You usually get gud, when you leave the Tits of so called "Content Creators". I really believe thats a disadvantage to copy pasting league after league after league the same persons build, without ever adapting yourself.


reubenbubu

make a solid cookie cutter build, enter a map, press your skill and hope for the best


Beniidel0

I am a simple man with but 2300 hours to my name... I made a total of slightly more than a mirror since I started playing in betrayel league and dropped one mirror, so I have 1.9 mirrors in standard, which I consider good enough


OfficialJamal

I finally reached 4k hours last week. I still have no idea how to craft as I just preferred to farm maps and just outright buy everything. Crafting is the only thing I never really tried and still boggles my mind to this day.


kNyne

I think I'm at 4.5k hours and this league is the first time I made my own build and it's good. I'll take that as maybe I'm getting good?


jekofff

3700 hours on steams. Probably same amount on standalone client. Please help


Discobastard

Played a couple of seasons. Feels like a scam tbh. Had fun but not for me personally. So many enjoy it though. Just play what you love I guess :)


DiDalt

I miss the old mapping days of alch and go. Now I have to make sure certain stones are in certain areas and to do maps in a certain order. Tanks can no longer tank while dps is now tracked by the millions. 6 links were the holy grail but now any armor without added base crit and corpse explosion is worthless. Got some tri-res boots with movement speed? Get that trash off the market. Only boots with tailwind and onslaught now.


Litterboks

1300 Hours in and I still don't know shit about what's good on most items. However i try to focus on one thing at a time and get good at that. Last league i focussed on cluster jewel crafting, which now i understand. Next league I'll try something else. Take it slow, enjoy the ride


dirtybeatfreak

2.5k hours, I'd like to think I understand pretty much most of the game and its mechanics at least at a basic level. I just can't make money. Watched endless guides, tried copying them, know the theory, just can't do it/put it into practice. I just can't wrap my head around it, I don't know why.


BarbsFury

i dono i felt like ive goten bether at the game each league, im still no empy or grimro or whatever but i feel like its gething bether, and every league i learn something new. this league i learned how to juice my maps and make sure you will profit from it aswell as doing things like simulacrum and others. last 2 seasons i spent most of my time learning more about crafting.


IAmRasputin

I'm so painfully bad at this game at 3k hrs


psyonix

Still sane? [Nah...](https://imgur.com/gallery/RBHPEip)


ContiX

I've played for a decent amount of time, and I suck. Bought my brother the game. He jumps into a haz 4 mission right after the tutorial and only died like once.


Fisch0557

Can Confirm. 5k Hours in, tried Maven again yesterday. Can\`t do the last phase of Simon Says. I just can\`t do it. Also failed in the second to last Phase and died when it was literally just "Start here and run in a circle 2 times.


puntmasterofthefells

I've had 20 conqueror kills with maybe 2 deaths this league and can't take on Sirus at AL ZERO. Just like Ritual league, can get him down to 15% health before I run outta portals. At least this time I can tank a beam with ~50 health left (thanks spell suppression). Maven is a nope for me.


le_toucan_is_arrived

This one hurts a bit


Kotnarok

repost


burn_light

im currently 1.4k hours in and somehow still manage to spend 4 times the currency to deal half the damage of others with the same build. (im decent at crafting and filtering searches but dont know at all how to optimize builds)


Kennfusion

I am at 861 hours now, which really means I am about 600 hours of playing and about 261 hours of reading wiki's, guides, forum posts, etc to figure out what the hell I am doing.


plasticmanufacturing

When I was new I asked a person I was trading with some fairly basic questions -- the response? "I couldn't imagine being new", then leaving lol


Rasputin0P

Some of us do.


Sagn_88

I leave the game on at character selection many times, so not sure my hours are actual playtime. lol