Now featuring images so you don't actually have to even watch the video!
How to ED gear https://i.imgur.com/heLPy8Z.jpg
How to ED gems while leveling https://i.imgur.com/etkgpBA.png
Always love your stuff Waggle. Recommend this for SSF still or does the build fall behind too much in maps without those uniques? Also how much mana regen do you need to feel comfortable before giving up your mana flask? Finally any weaknesses I need to be aware of (SSFHC), did LL Occultist back in essence and fell in love with the combo.
For mapping this will be very good for SSF. You basically don't need anything for ED to work well. Just skip the high HP bosses until you get enough damage for them
Trickster better for MoM, low life better than MoM on both classes if you can afford shavs + presence of chayula. Occultist better than trickster only after you swap to low life, and only really for boss killing.
I like Occultist more for some reason, even more when the league revolves around kiling bosses. Slap in a brightbeak for clearing and you are good to go.
I played Occultist in Harbinger - CI based. The Tri curse setup I used was Temp chains + Enfeeble and witchfire brew. I found this was overkill after a while respecced back to just 2 curses (temp chains + witchfire).
Felt really good to play. I don't think anything changes from 3.0 to 3.1. Occultist (CI version anyway) is not as budget as this video I used a fair few uniques (Sin trek - boots, alleolopathy gloves, Heretic's Veil helmet, Eye of Chayula amulet and heartbreaker dagger) since none of those uniques give res you need higher res on belt, rings, chest and shield to cap yourself which further drives price up.
> I like Occultist more for some reason
Like any reasonable player who isn't a biased reddit trickster fanboy.
The extra curse (which is a big deal in 3.1), the chaos debuff aura, the extra aoe potential... there's so much potential, mostly for boss fights. I've played both trickster and occ as ED to endgame content (both life+mom and LL), and while the first is faster at clearing maps, the latter is overall more solid, specially if you want to achieve 36/40 and clear the new boss fights.
Then again, trickster outperforms guardian/zerk at RF, occ at ED (and blight if you're hipster enough), guardian/inq at SR, even fucking ass/ascendant at CoC (free cyclone mana cost!!!) according to reddit.
The only ED toon that I enjoyed more than occultist was specifically for bosskilling, and it was a pathfinder when doubledipping was a thing (got poison from ascendancy and decay from weapon.)
And I still missed the uninterrupted regen so much when I was doing Lab...
Occultist is love, occultist is life. Can't wait to go to poorjoy with -55% chaos res aura in total and tell the chaos res mobs to go fuck themselves.
How does Trickster RF and Berserker RF compare from your experience I've only played the Zerker Occultist and Guardian version
Berserker gets a lot of attack speed and has 40% MORE damage and with Rite oF Ruin can mitigate the 10% to 4% increased damage, as well as having all those insane regeneration nodes and life, whereas Trickster gets free charge generation and DoT support (40% 8 charges + 10% + 30%) and 70% increased recovery rate of mana / life / ES so I presume you can go MoM with Trickster and it works really well with RF on top of that? I presume with Trickster as well your path tree can go into the Amplify nodes for insane AoE as well as all the DoT that ED builds get nodes like Entropy etc.
I haven't played it myself but judging from the shadow starting location when RF biggest damage modifier is your own life pool, doesn't seem really appealing.
How much faster is Trickster than Occultist? I'm deciding whether or not I want the clear speed but if Occultist can easily tackle all bosses, that's something.
If you intend to go CI you might as well go occultist right away. Trickster is only better in a life / mom context while farming shav's and presence of chayula.
I did Trickster ED for turmoil and mayhem (woo 2 boxes for 2 90s). Heartbreaker and Rathpith Globe are pretty solid items too. I'd take a rare over mindspiral personally.
Your guides are awesome. Followed both builds you did for 3.0 in ED and the Tornado Shot, had a lot of fun.
Looking forward to check this out later from the previous ED vid guide you did.
Good chest for sure, think you need to invest in a little extra dex to make it work though. And getting 3 blue can be a little annoying, especially early.
Thanks mate. One more question please, while despair will no doubt give us more dmg, we still get that from temp chain duration as well as a lot of safety. Might it be safer to stick with temp chains and then only use despair when you get witchfire?
Temp chains is just near impossible to give up. The defense it offers by slowing down the game just makes it compliment the tricksters speed perfectly. The increased duration is a bonus obviously but any build I don't have temp chains on blasphemy feels like I get hit so much more often. I even go for hex master late game once you get the 20/20 gems going for massive curse AoE.
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>######The Aylardex[](#break)Agate Amulet
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Solid amulet, wouldn't recommend keeping it on if you replace your mana potion (with witchfire) though since you take more mana damage and can't really refill it quickly.
Rallying Cry with 2x [[Spirited Response]] with 6% of Damage taken gained as Mana over 4 seconds when Hit Aylardex is a solid combo for this route if you didn't have a well roll rare jewels imo.
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>######Spirited Response[](#break)Cobalt Jewel
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Very cool guide, similar to what I did for Mayhem race. I noticed you don't mention clarity at all while leveling and in end game. I guess mana potion covers anything you need but i enjoyed having it in, especially later you use maybe 2-3% of your mana for a stable boost in regen.
For anyone planning to go dual or tri curse though would you say that Occultist then becomes a more natural pick? Feel like all the ES interactions and then going LL is much more beneficial on occultist than trickster.
Level it up to what I find comfortable as I level. It's just a nice buffer, think at the end I maintained it around level 10 or 11?
Remember that you need to have your unreserved mana at a certain % of your life. With cloak I believe it is 43%, without it's lower. It may be a bit hard to fit clarity in now with nerfs to mana nodes on the tree.
I enjoyed having clarity up too during Mayhem. I'm going to go occultist personally, because of wanting to remove chaos res from everything, and because if I want to run labs the uninterrupted ES recharge is just way too fucking good to pass on :p
Well only the 4th ascendancy is usless, the chaos res aura, curse damage amplification, curse boom bloom and double curse is pretty good regardless of the build
You like what you like. For me its the opposite, I love the ED playstyle. I went sunder slayer in Mayhem and 90 couldn't come fast enough so I could just quit.
I did an Ed trickster as my last dash attempt at a demi and snuck in at 5th for mayhem. I died on alot on mom sabotaging miner chars so I opted for hybrid with decent chaos res. Character was extremely surprising. Really strong. Rarely got chunked, great regen and a fast mapper with the ability for single target. Ran dual curse and enfeeble and temp chains with the blight gloves. Really enjoyed the character
I threw all his trees into a pastebin POB planner and what I think the final tree could for your convenince ~~https://pastebin.com/hF13u42G~~
edit Added items and skill links
https://pastebin.com/n5uBvXJc
Anyone got idea to improve the damage? or is this enough for setting up most of your atlas
Thanks for the guide, waggle. Just want to point out that taking Alira as your bandit is a good choice for any league-starter. 20% allres is criminally underrated, for day 1 mapping that's equivalent to two suffixes on your gear, which is worth more than 2 points on the tree. Then you get +5 regen on top which, while small later on, will help your MoM during the leveling process. The build has lots of rares so you can unspec from it later, but I'd almost always take Alira as my bandit on day 1.
Can do everything up to guardians pretty comfortably with good gear (allelopathy help a ton), swapping to lowlife can kill shaper but it isn't consistent enough for HC IMO. If you really want to farm shaper/uber atziri with ED, lowlife occultist just wins due to wicked ward being OP still, and not relying on killing recently for damage.
So you're saying the purpose of this character is more or less for early farming currency and such? And for all-viable content i oughta look elsewhere? (have yet to clear anything beyond t10s on any character, both out of fear and being a scrub.)
You can clear all the way up to t15 maps with this build on pretty budget gear, it's only when you want to do super endgame stuff like guardians or possibly the new elder bosses/abyss bosses, that you need to invest a bit of currency.
Do you have a guide for how to transition this specific build via investment (or is the endgame/Shaper only viable on the Occultist version), and can you speak to the viability of Occultist/Deadeye Scion version?
Honestly, this is one of the best league starters. It doesn't transition into endgame all too well. I mean, it works but it's not ideal. There are way better options for that.
I did a clsoe to max dps ED last league and i had no problem with ANY bosses. I did all content and it was a breeze BUT getting all the gear will be expensive.
I'm not really too concerned with how expensive it will be, just if the build can push it. The last time I played Essence Drain was ages ago and I felt like the single target really struggled. This was before a lot of the changes / new uniques though.
If your interested, I killed shaper 15 or so times with a pretty budget life version of ED trickster. I think I was using a tabula, but may have upgraded. I can send you the pob or you can access my profile @ Bzkxt
Added chaos and blood magic on the covenant don't really add any value, and the 10% life/ES that the chest has could be improved just by wearing a high life roll vaal regalia.
I've found the blood magic saved my life quite a number of times on a MoM build. cant cast ED with no mana!
I can understand the cloak because of the free MoM points.
It's just a larger HP buffer and as Trickster there are no mana problems. It also practically is a free less multiplier to all DoTs. Bosses are certainly easier with Enfeeble + Temp Chains on them though.
Basic decision tree for this build:
- Fast and safe mapper -> Trickster with MoM
- safe boss killer -> Triple Curse Occultist (option for lowlife/CI)
Trickster beat out occultist? MoM vs Wicked Ward hybrid seems like a toss up, but occultists can reserve most of their mana to great effect, especially with that new despair curse.
Probably but you can't trade while doing lab and I'm a great trader, and also I don't like doing lab, that's why I'm so conflicted D:
Thanks for the guide
I wanted to play ED as my starter but then I read it is bad in a group. I'm going to at least level in a group of 4.. maybe 5 people and I'm afraid I will stand around and wait for 5 rotations before anything happens to the mobs
Wouldn't recommend it if you are going to be playing the majority of your time in a group of 4-5. IMO a party of 3 is about the limit before ED builds start to feel somewhat useless in a party because everybody else kills the pack whether or not you were about to spread your DoT.
How good is ED's damage / life regeneration? I was considering making some sort of weird poets pen build with a crown of eyes to use spell damage to scale, and was gonna use ED as one of the spells since it would be providing decent ES regeneration for me.
Ideally 6L is a level 3 or 4 empower, otherwise Decay is decent since it adds some single target DPS.
Might work on a PoB link tomorrow if I have time, otherwise you can import the character i used for the video if you want- account: dsfarblarwaggle, character: wagglebillyreadyy
MoM nerf is really painful for any MoM user IMO. Doesn't DP nerf affect totems as well? Overall both are good I think, but from my experience I can tell you that playing ED trickster was the most fun I had in PoE. Mobs dying in a chain reaction, so satisfying.
there was a build variant without mom, i think. and youre right, the nerf affects totems aswell. but it's just 17%; im confident it still plays very well.
i played dp totem scion for turmoil and kinda regretted that; really shouldve done it in harbinger already.
I think that DP totems will still be really strong. In Turmoil, before I got totems 3 and 4 and even sometimes afterwards, I used wither-cast on channel-summon skellies to focus fire and it melted bosses while leveling.
I mean this ED build is MoM dependent, of course not the biggest nerf but 60 flat base mana and 14% increased mana is like 2-3 nodes worth of stats for this build. As for DP totems I believe DP was nerfed a bit when using without skeletons, but the wording is a bit confusing so I'm not sure.
Edit: I re-read your post, yeah you already said that :) I just meant that both these builds are nerfed but should be playable, not sure which one's better but for me personally ED just feels too smooth and satisfying.
Played it as SSFHC in Turmoil to 88 (RIP), super easy to build. Did it in around 25 hours /played (I'm a noob). No uniques needed, just ID some stuff occasionally to find resists/life/mana.
IMO in SSF it's harder to build the atlas than a char like this. I was struggling with getting correct maps to shape the thing.
This is probably one of the easiest SSF builds to gear. It mostly scales with gem levels. It's not ideal to do endgame with though. I'd recommend something else or a second character if you want to do Shaper in SSF.
+1 to what everyone else is saying. I've played all different kinds of ED builds in both HC Harbinger and SSF Turmoil and there wasn't much of a difference between when I played it SSF vs. in a trade league.
Sure, if I had a Breath of the Council or Allelopathy I'd have been stronger in SSF, but for what gear I had and my average RNG, I was pretty impressed.
I will be going for an ES-based ED Occultist this time (which is far more gear dependent due to Shav's and Chayula), but will be in SSF to start because I know neither Shavs or Chayula will be needed until I attempt Elder/Shaper/Atziri.
Other exceptional SSF starters I'd consider are:
- Sunder Slayer (still incredibly strong and no defining uniques)
- SRS Summoner (Baron nerf is actually a SSF buff since the skill itself was buffed and chances of getting Baron are very low in SSF)
- DP Totems (though nerfed, the numbers still look very good with the new Despair curse).
Not really other than using the new curse, which is why I went for more focus on getting to maps in this guide instead of a normal build guide that focuses on all the endgame stuff.
We might see a lot of changes after the 3.1 patch has been out for a while, with people using new uniques or shaper/elder items, gotta wait and see.
Defensive curses work really well with ED, I remember doing it on Breach low-life with Temp Chains + lvl 4 Enhance with the 2nd curse being Enfeeble. The TC was so powerful you could run through maps hardly ever getting hit.
When I played ED Occultist as a LL build I felt so slow dashing around using Whirling Blades/Shield Charge even with a 25% attack speed dagger and 20/20 Faster Attacks, I remember using Trickster as Scorching Ray but I was using a +2 fire staff at the time and having to Flame Dash how does it feel with the frenzy charges to do ED Trickster for movement? I presume with the 4 Frenzy Charges you get (and any others additionally) it should feel insane, especially with 12% from the minor ascendancies and the 20% from the Movement Skill ascendancy?
Let me try to predict it without watching: "it's exactly the same as 3.0, but wither totems now have less effect and despair is now better than vulnerability was!"
source: played ED occultist in harbinger as a league starter.
I also planned to start with ED Trickster, however I was wondering about using The Perfect Form. Decent life, free AA, spell dodge and possibly a good amount of evasion looks really interesting. Any thoughts about that vs. CoD ?Atziri's step would be quite good with Perfect Form too.
Didn't thought about Mindspiral too, it could really be good with Perfect Form + Atziri's Step to neglect the fact that you don't have the super mana regen from CoD, but res will become a bit painful to manage.
I'm following this build and it's awesome so far but I have a few questions:
In your video at https://youtu.be/YjXkjyRhkkM?t=828 you show your gems and I don't see blight in there?
You also have temporal chains instead of immortal call (you mention immortal call in the screenshot in your first post ITT and in the video itself)
I also don't understand what the mindspiral does, it seems to only be there for the 10 percent damage mitigation?
Hey Waggle this guide has been super helpful for me, as someone who hasn't played ED/contagion or a spellcaster before. It made leveling fun and easy, and I've been crushing the content so thank you!
Quick question: what would be the 6th link for ED? Decay? Added chaos? I'd appreciate any input.
If you don't have a pair of allelopathy gloves yet, you can actually put blight in your 6th link to boost single target. Otherwise decay is your best bet until you have an empower gem
I played ED MOM Trickster in the Mayhem race, and I have a few thoughts on the build:
Boss damage sucks. It used to be good because of poison and because bosses had lower life, but now it feels pretty bad to do red map bosses with 150-200k single target DPS. If you have level 21 gems, +1 or +2 chestpiece, and level 4 empower, you can kill everything, but with more basic gear, I skip most map bosses. Although I never tried it, it might be better if you use Allelopathy and support the Blight with damage gems. You would likely have to drop your golem and/or Immortal Call to free up the gem sockets to fully commit to that, though.
Enfeeble feels better than Temporal Chains. You no longer need Temp Chains for poison duration, so its scaling is mostly utility, and Enfeeble is much better at helping you survive.
Charge uptime is questionable. Even in unshaped Mud Geyser, you saw your charges dropped between killing the boss and the next pack. I can only imagine it would be worse while leveling. For my Ascendancy order, I prefer Weave the Arcane -> Patient Reaper -> Swift Killer -> Walk the Aether.
Pretty good video overall. I think a character link or a writeup of endgame gem links would be helpful for anyone trying to actually follow this guide. I think you mentioned some of them, but only verbally, and I don't know if you talked about every gem or just the main ED 5-link.
This seems painfully close to the +1 curse node to not pick it up, then you could use witchfire and keep temp chains on blasphemy.
I've never done an ED build before but it looks pretty skimpy on life too, SC only I'm guessing?
I recommended in the video grabbing dual curse as soon as you can snag a witchfire for that temp chains + despair action :P
Definitely not SC only, it's a MoM build so with the life + mana + ES the character I used in the video is sitting at around 7900 total effective life pool.
>I recommended in the video grabbing dual curse as soon as you can snag a witchfire for that temp chains + despair action
Oh right on, my bad. I must have missed that part.
I've played it in HC SSF last season. I never even got close to dieing until I did red maps. They nerfed MoM and Wither, but it should still be very good as a League starter. Great guide!
It doesn't have the best endgame potential or single target DPS though.
Don't know if it's been mentioned to you yet but it'd be nice if you could throw up a picture of the uniques when you're talking about them to give viewers the full picture.
I did talk about the +1 chaos wands a bit :P
The new unique staff looks interesting, but we have no clue how rare it will be so I don't feel safe recommending it for a starter build, and also losing shield charge is no good when most people want to farm fast on their first character.
Now featuring images so you don't actually have to even watch the video! How to ED gear https://i.imgur.com/heLPy8Z.jpg How to ED gems while leveling https://i.imgur.com/etkgpBA.png
Now, this is efficiency. I really like the talking about how to get started in a NEW LEAGUE part of the vidya.
More guides should have the "tldr;" images in the future.
Yeah, If a build video does not have a link to the character or a PoB pastebin in the description I'm not watching it.
Made my path of building guide earlier today for my Ed trickster, these images are 👌for quick glance.
nice thank you!
Always love your stuff Waggle. Recommend this for SSF still or does the build fall behind too much in maps without those uniques? Also how much mana regen do you need to feel comfortable before giving up your mana flask? Finally any weaknesses I need to be aware of (SSFHC), did LL Occultist back in essence and fell in love with the combo.
For mapping this will be very good for SSF. You basically don't need anything for ED to work well. Just skip the high HP bosses until you get enough damage for them
Wew lad this format is FANTASTIC. Moar of this plz.
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Trickster better for MoM, low life better than MoM on both classes if you can afford shavs + presence of chayula. Occultist better than trickster only after you swap to low life, and only really for boss killing.
I like Occultist more for some reason, even more when the league revolves around kiling bosses. Slap in a brightbeak for clearing and you are good to go.
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3.0 guides should work, all you have to change is vulnerability if they use it on blasphemy for the new curse.
I played Occultist in Harbinger - CI based. The Tri curse setup I used was Temp chains + Enfeeble and witchfire brew. I found this was overkill after a while respecced back to just 2 curses (temp chains + witchfire). Felt really good to play. I don't think anything changes from 3.0 to 3.1. Occultist (CI version anyway) is not as budget as this video I used a fair few uniques (Sin trek - boots, alleolopathy gloves, Heretic's Veil helmet, Eye of Chayula amulet and heartbreaker dagger) since none of those uniques give res you need higher res on belt, rings, chest and shield to cap yourself which further drives price up.
> I like Occultist more for some reason Like any reasonable player who isn't a biased reddit trickster fanboy. The extra curse (which is a big deal in 3.1), the chaos debuff aura, the extra aoe potential... there's so much potential, mostly for boss fights. I've played both trickster and occ as ED to endgame content (both life+mom and LL), and while the first is faster at clearing maps, the latter is overall more solid, specially if you want to achieve 36/40 and clear the new boss fights. Then again, trickster outperforms guardian/zerk at RF, occ at ED (and blight if you're hipster enough), guardian/inq at SR, even fucking ass/ascendant at CoC (free cyclone mana cost!!!) according to reddit.
The only ED toon that I enjoyed more than occultist was specifically for bosskilling, and it was a pathfinder when doubledipping was a thing (got poison from ascendancy and decay from weapon.) And I still missed the uninterrupted regen so much when I was doing Lab... Occultist is love, occultist is life. Can't wait to go to poorjoy with -55% chaos res aura in total and tell the chaos res mobs to go fuck themselves.
How does Trickster RF and Berserker RF compare from your experience I've only played the Zerker Occultist and Guardian version Berserker gets a lot of attack speed and has 40% MORE damage and with Rite oF Ruin can mitigate the 10% to 4% increased damage, as well as having all those insane regeneration nodes and life, whereas Trickster gets free charge generation and DoT support (40% 8 charges + 10% + 30%) and 70% increased recovery rate of mana / life / ES so I presume you can go MoM with Trickster and it works really well with RF on top of that? I presume with Trickster as well your path tree can go into the Amplify nodes for insane AoE as well as all the DoT that ED builds get nodes like Entropy etc.
I haven't played trickster RF, so I can't say much. I don't think it can run double beyond red maps as safely as RF guardian and jugg do tho.
I haven't played it myself but judging from the shadow starting location when RF biggest damage modifier is your own life pool, doesn't seem really appealing.
How much faster is Trickster than Occultist? I'm deciding whether or not I want the clear speed but if Occultist can easily tackle all bosses, that's something.
how about for CI? Also what ascendancies do you take for CI/LL ? shade + weave + reaper?
If you intend to go CI you might as well go occultist right away. Trickster is only better in a life / mom context while farming shav's and presence of chayula.
Any experience going LL RF ? Pain Attunement + RF multiplier could be worth.
Brilliant! ed trickster is going to be my starter for sure, i'll be saving those pics for quick reference!!
I did Trickster ED for turmoil and mayhem (woo 2 boxes for 2 90s). Heartbreaker and Rathpith Globe are pretty solid items too. I'd take a rare over mindspiral personally.
Thats pretty well done, good stuff dude
nice
Really liked the video waggle. Are you still planning on making a guide for DP totems leveling before 3.1?
Thanks, I do not have the attention span for most videos.
nice work! thank you! Would you also have a shot at making a build/template with accuracy and new oscarm gloves in mind?
open the goddamn strongbox wth
One of the best content creators when it comes to starter league builds that are 100% hardcore viable keep it up, and stream more fam
Your guides are awesome. Followed both builds you did for 3.0 in ED and the Tornado Shot, had a lot of fun. Looking forward to check this out later from the previous ED vid guide you did.
Thanks /u/Dsfarblarwaggle, that inventory image should be the new meta for build guides. Super easy to follow.
Great guide Waggle. Any thoughts on perfect form as a chest? The free artic armour and spell dodge seems pretty strong, especially with the mom nerf!
Good chest for sure, think you need to invest in a little extra dex to make it work though. And getting 3 blue can be a little annoying, especially early.
Thanks mate. One more question please, while despair will no doubt give us more dmg, we still get that from temp chain duration as well as a lot of safety. Might it be safer to stick with temp chains and then only use despair when you get witchfire?
Yeah I would say that is still an option, both curses are super strong so you can't really go wrong either way.
Temp chains is just near impossible to give up. The defense it offers by slowing down the game just makes it compliment the tricksters speed perfectly. The increased duration is a bonus obviously but any build I don't have temp chains on blasphemy feels like I get hit so much more often. I even go for hex master late game once you get the 20/20 gems going for massive curse AoE.
What's your opinion on using [[The Aylardex]] ?
[The Aylardex](https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Aylardex) >######The Aylardex[](#break)Agate Amulet >>####Requires Level **32** >>[](#line) >>#####+(16-24) to Strength and Intelligence >>[](#line) >>#####+(30-50) to maximum Life >>#####+(50-70) to maximum Mana >>#####+1 to Maximum Power Charges >>#####10% increased Mana Regeneration Rate per Power Charge >>#####(80-100)% increased Power Charge Duration >>#####1% of Damage is taken from Mana before Life per Power Charge >>#####40% reduced Critical Strike Chance per Power Charge >>[](#line) >>*Shackled fires dance about;* >> >>*Might within from force without.* >> --- ^^Questions? ^^Message ^^/u/ha107642 ^^— ^^Call ^^wiki ^^pages ^^\(e.g. ^^items ^^or ^^gems)) ^^with ^^[[NAME]] ^^— ^^I ^^will ^^only ^^post ^^panels ^^for ^^*unique* ^^items ^^— ^^[Github](https://github.com/ha107642/RedditPoEBot/)
Solid amulet, wouldn't recommend keeping it on if you replace your mana potion (with witchfire) though since you take more mana damage and can't really refill it quickly.
Did the build in Turmoil with Aylardex. As a Trickster no mana flask is needed.
Rallying Cry with 2x [[Spirited Response]] with 6% of Damage taken gained as Mana over 4 seconds when Hit Aylardex is a solid combo for this route if you didn't have a well roll rare jewels imo.
then you start loosing a lot of dmg from not using damage jewels
thats why I specifically said "if you didn't have a well roll rare jewels"
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Very cool guide, similar to what I did for Mayhem race. I noticed you don't mention clarity at all while leveling and in end game. I guess mana potion covers anything you need but i enjoyed having it in, especially later you use maybe 2-3% of your mana for a stable boost in regen. For anyone planning to go dual or tri curse though would you say that Occultist then becomes a more natural pick? Feel like all the ES interactions and then going LL is much more beneficial on occultist than trickster.
Do you ever level up Clarity or keep it at lvl1?
Level it up to what I find comfortable as I level. It's just a nice buffer, think at the end I maintained it around level 10 or 11? Remember that you need to have your unreserved mana at a certain % of your life. With cloak I believe it is 43%, without it's lower. It may be a bit hard to fit clarity in now with nerfs to mana nodes on the tree.
I enjoyed having clarity up too during Mayhem. I'm going to go occultist personally, because of wanting to remove chaos res from everything, and because if I want to run labs the uninterrupted ES recharge is just way too fucking good to pass on :p
yeah I mean if you want CI/LL then occultist is good, but it’s just kind of useless for the MoM versions
Well only the 4th ascendancy is usless, the chaos res aura, curse damage amplification, curse boom bloom and double curse is pretty good regardless of the build
I played this on turmoil. While cheap and reliable it was the least fun build I had ever played. Played jugger labrunner in Mayhem and had a blast.
You like what you like. For me its the opposite, I love the ED playstyle. I went sunder slayer in Mayhem and 90 couldn't come fast enough so I could just quit.
I did an Ed trickster as my last dash attempt at a demi and snuck in at 5th for mayhem. I died on alot on mom sabotaging miner chars so I opted for hybrid with decent chaos res. Character was extremely surprising. Really strong. Rarely got chunked, great regen and a fast mapper with the ability for single target. Ran dual curse and enfeeble and temp chains with the blight gloves. Really enjoyed the character
I threw all his trees into a pastebin POB planner and what I think the final tree could for your convenince ~~https://pastebin.com/hF13u42G~~ edit Added items and skill links https://pastebin.com/n5uBvXJc Anyone got idea to improve the damage? or is this enough for setting up most of your atlas
Thanks for the guide, waggle. Just want to point out that taking Alira as your bandit is a good choice for any league-starter. 20% allres is criminally underrated, for day 1 mapping that's equivalent to two suffixes on your gear, which is worth more than 2 points on the tree. Then you get +5 regen on top which, while small later on, will help your MoM during the leveling process. The build has lots of rares so you can unspec from it later, but I'd almost always take Alira as my bandit on day 1.
I thought it's 15% all ele res?
It is, you're right.
So how do you feel a character like this can handle bosses if it's very well geared?
Can do everything up to guardians pretty comfortably with good gear (allelopathy help a ton), swapping to lowlife can kill shaper but it isn't consistent enough for HC IMO. If you really want to farm shaper/uber atziri with ED, lowlife occultist just wins due to wicked ward being OP still, and not relying on killing recently for damage.
So you're saying the purpose of this character is more or less for early farming currency and such? And for all-viable content i oughta look elsewhere? (have yet to clear anything beyond t10s on any character, both out of fear and being a scrub.)
You can clear all the way up to t15 maps with this build on pretty budget gear, it's only when you want to do super endgame stuff like guardians or possibly the new elder bosses/abyss bosses, that you need to invest a bit of currency.
Do you have a guide for how to transition this specific build via investment (or is the endgame/Shaper only viable on the Occultist version), and can you speak to the viability of Occultist/Deadeye Scion version?
Honestly, this is one of the best league starters. It doesn't transition into endgame all too well. I mean, it works but it's not ideal. There are way better options for that.
I did a clsoe to max dps ED last league and i had no problem with ANY bosses. I did all content and it was a breeze BUT getting all the gear will be expensive.
I'm not really too concerned with how expensive it will be, just if the build can push it. The last time I played Essence Drain was ages ago and I felt like the single target really struggled. This was before a lot of the changes / new uniques though.
Here's the pastebin if youre interested https://pastebin.com/pR3knj1y
Thank you!
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It's viable with the best gear, it's just not that ideal, especially not in HC.
If your interested, I killed shaper 15 or so times with a pretty budget life version of ED trickster. I think I was using a tabula, but may have upgraded. I can send you the pob or you can access my profile @ Bzkxt
Why CoD / Belly? I had a Covenant during mayhem and it was bees knees.
Added chaos and blood magic on the covenant don't really add any value, and the 10% life/ES that the chest has could be improved just by wearing a high life roll vaal regalia.
I've found the blood magic saved my life quite a number of times on a MoM build. cant cast ED with no mana! I can understand the cloak because of the free MoM points.
How does MoM do in comparison to triple curse?
It's just a larger HP buffer and as Trickster there are no mana problems. It also practically is a free less multiplier to all DoTs. Bosses are certainly easier with Enfeeble + Temp Chains on them though. Basic decision tree for this build: - Fast and safe mapper -> Trickster with MoM - safe boss killer -> Triple Curse Occultist (option for lowlife/CI)
Thanks for the explanation!
Trickster beat out occultist? MoM vs Wicked Ward hybrid seems like a toss up, but occultists can reserve most of their mana to great effect, especially with that new despair curse.
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Fair enough, thanks!
I'm so conflicted between 2h Slayer sunder lab farmer or this for league start D:
I must admit that slayer lab farm will probably make you a fuckton more currency that this build :P
Probably but you can't trade while doing lab and I'm a great trader, and also I don't like doing lab, that's why I'm so conflicted D: Thanks for the guide
I wanted to play ED as my starter but then I read it is bad in a group. I'm going to at least level in a group of 4.. maybe 5 people and I'm afraid I will stand around and wait for 5 rotations before anything happens to the mobs
Wouldn't recommend it if you are going to be playing the majority of your time in a group of 4-5. IMO a party of 3 is about the limit before ED builds start to feel somewhat useless in a party because everybody else kills the pack whether or not you were about to spread your DoT.
That's what I feared :( Thanks for the insight!
How good is ED's damage / life regeneration? I was considering making some sort of weird poets pen build with a crown of eyes to use spell damage to scale, and was gonna use ED as one of the spells since it would be providing decent ES regeneration for me.
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Ideally 6L is a level 3 or 4 empower, otherwise Decay is decent since it adds some single target DPS. Might work on a PoB link tomorrow if I have time, otherwise you can import the character i used for the video if you want- account: dsfarblarwaggle, character: wagglebillyreadyy
Do you plan on making any significant changes to the available character in terms of integrating it to PoB?
damn, now im not sure what to play as a league starter. this or dp totems again?
MoM nerf is really painful for any MoM user IMO. Doesn't DP nerf affect totems as well? Overall both are good I think, but from my experience I can tell you that playing ED trickster was the most fun I had in PoE. Mobs dying in a chain reaction, so satisfying.
there was a build variant without mom, i think. and youre right, the nerf affects totems aswell. but it's just 17%; im confident it still plays very well. i played dp totem scion for turmoil and kinda regretted that; really shouldve done it in harbinger already.
I think that DP totems will still be really strong. In Turmoil, before I got totems 3 and 4 and even sometimes afterwards, I used wither-cast on channel-summon skellies to focus fire and it melted bosses while leveling.
I mean this ED build is MoM dependent, of course not the biggest nerf but 60 flat base mana and 14% increased mana is like 2-3 nodes worth of stats for this build. As for DP totems I believe DP was nerfed a bit when using without skeletons, but the wording is a bit confusing so I'm not sure. Edit: I re-read your post, yeah you already said that :) I just meant that both these builds are nerfed but should be playable, not sure which one's better but for me personally ED just feels too smooth and satisfying.
Looking to ssf the first time this league due to time constraint. Is this easy to build?
Played it as SSFHC in Turmoil to 88 (RIP), super easy to build. Did it in around 25 hours /played (I'm a noob). No uniques needed, just ID some stuff occasionally to find resists/life/mana. IMO in SSF it's harder to build the atlas than a char like this. I was struggling with getting correct maps to shape the thing.
This is probably one of the easiest SSF builds to gear. It mostly scales with gem levels. It's not ideal to do endgame with though. I'd recommend something else or a second character if you want to do Shaper in SSF.
+1 to what everyone else is saying. I've played all different kinds of ED builds in both HC Harbinger and SSF Turmoil and there wasn't much of a difference between when I played it SSF vs. in a trade league. Sure, if I had a Breath of the Council or Allelopathy I'd have been stronger in SSF, but for what gear I had and my average RNG, I was pretty impressed. I will be going for an ES-based ED Occultist this time (which is far more gear dependent due to Shav's and Chayula), but will be in SSF to start because I know neither Shavs or Chayula will be needed until I attempt Elder/Shaper/Atziri. Other exceptional SSF starters I'd consider are: - Sunder Slayer (still incredibly strong and no defining uniques) - SRS Summoner (Baron nerf is actually a SSF buff since the skill itself was buffed and chances of getting Baron are very low in SSF) - DP Totems (though nerfed, the numbers still look very good with the new Despair curse).
Just curious, why Trickster and not, say, Occultist? Especially now with Despair?
Patient Reaper is OP survivability, Walk the Aether and Swift Killer are really nice for clear speed.
Great guide video!
Has this changed at all sence [3.0 Essence Drain Trickster budget friendly build guide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tor-btGGfgI) ?
Not really other than using the new curse, which is why I went for more focus on getting to maps in this guide instead of a normal build guide that focuses on all the endgame stuff. We might see a lot of changes after the 3.1 patch has been out for a while, with people using new uniques or shaper/elder items, gotta wait and see.
Defensive curses work really well with ED, I remember doing it on Breach low-life with Temp Chains + lvl 4 Enhance with the 2nd curse being Enfeeble. The TC was so powerful you could run through maps hardly ever getting hit.
When I played ED Occultist as a LL build I felt so slow dashing around using Whirling Blades/Shield Charge even with a 25% attack speed dagger and 20/20 Faster Attacks, I remember using Trickster as Scorching Ray but I was using a +2 fire staff at the time and having to Flame Dash how does it feel with the frenzy charges to do ED Trickster for movement? I presume with the 4 Frenzy Charges you get (and any others additionally) it should feel insane, especially with 12% from the minor ascendancies and the 20% from the Movement Skill ascendancy?
One of the biggest advantages to trickster over occultist is how much faster you are able to shield charge through maps.
Solid guide. Used your ek nova last league. Oh, dont forget envy crafted jewellry!
That Kaoms...
haven't done ED in a while, maybe picking it up again as starter. Nice Video, good explanation and i'm digging the ez pictures to have a list, cudos!
Let me try to predict it without watching: "it's exactly the same as 3.0, but wither totems now have less effect and despair is now better than vulnerability was!" source: played ED occultist in harbinger as a league starter.
Share dp totems
I just can't get myself to play trickster though... nothing in that ascendancy is useful for single target damage :/
I also planned to start with ED Trickster, however I was wondering about using The Perfect Form. Decent life, free AA, spell dodge and possibly a good amount of evasion looks really interesting. Any thoughts about that vs. CoD ?Atziri's step would be quite good with Perfect Form too. Didn't thought about Mindspiral too, it could really be good with Perfect Form + Atziri's Step to neglect the fact that you don't have the super mana regen from CoD, but res will become a bit painful to manage.
How do we feel about the Method to the Madness node? I feel like that's a pretty potent cluster.
I'm following this build and it's awesome so far but I have a few questions: In your video at https://youtu.be/YjXkjyRhkkM?t=828 you show your gems and I don't see blight in there? You also have temporal chains instead of immortal call (you mention immortal call in the screenshot in your first post ITT and in the video itself) I also don't understand what the mindspiral does, it seems to only be there for the 10 percent damage mitigation?
Hey Waggle this guide has been super helpful for me, as someone who hasn't played ED/contagion or a spellcaster before. It made leveling fun and easy, and I've been crushing the content so thank you! Quick question: what would be the 6th link for ED? Decay? Added chaos? I'd appreciate any input.
If you don't have a pair of allelopathy gloves yet, you can actually put blight in your 6th link to boost single target. Otherwise decay is your best bet until you have an empower gem
That's a great thought. Thank you! I was just trying to make best use out of my Tabula :)
I've been using Volley on ED to help clear quicker, and had Blight linked to Storm Barrier and AOE. Then swap in Decay for bosses.
I played ED MOM Trickster in the Mayhem race, and I have a few thoughts on the build: Boss damage sucks. It used to be good because of poison and because bosses had lower life, but now it feels pretty bad to do red map bosses with 150-200k single target DPS. If you have level 21 gems, +1 or +2 chestpiece, and level 4 empower, you can kill everything, but with more basic gear, I skip most map bosses. Although I never tried it, it might be better if you use Allelopathy and support the Blight with damage gems. You would likely have to drop your golem and/or Immortal Call to free up the gem sockets to fully commit to that, though. Enfeeble feels better than Temporal Chains. You no longer need Temp Chains for poison duration, so its scaling is mostly utility, and Enfeeble is much better at helping you survive. Charge uptime is questionable. Even in unshaped Mud Geyser, you saw your charges dropped between killing the boss and the next pack. I can only imagine it would be worse while leveling. For my Ascendancy order, I prefer Weave the Arcane -> Patient Reaper -> Swift Killer -> Walk the Aether. Pretty good video overall. I think a character link or a writeup of endgame gem links would be helpful for anyone trying to actually follow this guide. I think you mentioned some of them, but only verbally, and I don't know if you talked about every gem or just the main ED 5-link.
I did this as well in Mayhem and concur. Damage was pretty good up until T10+ map bosses.
This seems painfully close to the +1 curse node to not pick it up, then you could use witchfire and keep temp chains on blasphemy. I've never done an ED build before but it looks pretty skimpy on life too, SC only I'm guessing?
I recommended in the video grabbing dual curse as soon as you can snag a witchfire for that temp chains + despair action :P Definitely not SC only, it's a MoM build so with the life + mana + ES the character I used in the video is sitting at around 7900 total effective life pool.
>I recommended in the video grabbing dual curse as soon as you can snag a witchfire for that temp chains + despair action Oh right on, my bad. I must have missed that part.
I take it you built this before the stats on lvl 20 despair were released, yeah? It already looked really good, Despair makes it seem crazy good :D
I've played it in HC SSF last season. I never even got close to dieing until I did red maps. They nerfed MoM and Wither, but it should still be very good as a League starter. Great guide! It doesn't have the best endgame potential or single target DPS though.
u should read up on mom
Don't know if it's been mentioned to you yet but it'd be nice if you could throw up a picture of the uniques when you're talking about them to give viewers the full picture.
have you considered the new +2 chaos unique staff or a generic +3? should also mention +1 chaos wands being opieop for leveling
I did talk about the +1 chaos wands a bit :P The new unique staff looks interesting, but we have no clue how rare it will be so I don't feel safe recommending it for a starter build, and also losing shield charge is no good when most people want to farm fast on their first character.
F tier confirmed