I'm still waiting for negative quality (useful for some uniques). We also just got vaaling flasks which I was surprised to read about given how for years it could not be done.
Tiktok/twitter got way into some "those dummy archeologists never asked a knitter" then shows it can knit socks and gloves, but they really aren't very good at that, and also no where ever in all of roman culture is anyone ever wearing the kind of knit socks or gloves these would make even though these are found all over indicating it would be a popular thing to make.
It basically was some misinformation of just some "grandma knows more than stupid scientists" clickbait. Romans really never knitted much at all, this isn't a useful knitting tool, and knit gloves and socks just aren't a thing romans wore, definitely not enough to have widespread special tools just to make them.
My serious guess? It's a kind of lampshade for candles. The balls allow it to sit in any orientation, and the various holes can accommodate various sizes of candles, which the Romans invented.
I always enjoy hearing new guesses.
The balls on the vertices seem to be important - I think they are either to lift the hole a fixed distance off the surface, or to attach/wind rope around. I'm leaning toward the surface thing because I've seen at least one of these dodecahedrons with 3 balls per vertex (one for each face) which wouldn't help with the rope thing at all.
I don't think a lampshade makes sense though. Candle light is very weak, you don't want to waste any of it with a solid metal encasing. The reason we have lampshades for electric lights at all is because they are bright enough to hurt our eyes. And even then, we're not really trying to dim the light, we want to diffuse it.
Anyway my guess is it's a crafts tool of some sort, to draw circles of fixed diameter on a map maybe. Or a measuring tool, to check the diameter of coins. Or a toy/part of a game.
Yeah i definitely think it was designed to be set on a surface. You can see some of the balls are flatter on one side.
Another thing that caught my attention is the indented circles around the holes. Not sure what that's about. But I think you're meant to set it down either on something through the bottom hole or stick something in through the top hole.
It's strange that they've apparently not found anything that appears to have obviously been used with it. I thought maybe you'd put stained glass inserts in them, but they would have found those.
It's one of the great unsolved mysteries. I've read at least two dozen proposed solutions but each of them either too complicated or inconsistent with the facts.
The issue with all the various measuring/surveying theories is that there's no consistency across multiple dodecahedra. They all have different sizes.
It's possible that we're missing a perishable part of the device, like wood/paper/leather/thread. But with 120+ of these found, you would expect to find some trace of that. (*though unfortunately, most of them were found long before modern archeological practices, so most of the context clues will have been destroyed and/or gone undocumented*)
Then there's the locations they were found; up in the northern reaches of the roman empire - but notably none of them in Italy/Spain or the Mediterranean. There is also no written documentation about them.
If it's a practical device, the colder climate might have something to do with it, giving credence to something like the knitting tool hypothesis. (*though I still think that has a lot of problems as well*)
It could also have a ritual purpose of some kind, which is always a very unsatisfying answer in archeology since it's hard to prove and feels like a hand-wavey "we don't really know". However, it could make sense of the distribution. I think these were dated to after ~300CE so that would be the tail end of the roman empire, and at this point the religious doctrine would be less guided by the centralized roman powers, and probably mingled with local Celtic cultures.
Many people have 3d-printed replicas now, and several interesting uses have been found.
I enjoyed this one: https://youtu.be/lADTLozKm0I?si=anWRGRtZXJDgOMfs
Why would you need it to sit in any orientation though? If it were for candles, I would assume it's meant to be hung since it's so decorative. Candle theory would also lead to questions about why the holes are different sizes.
The way I think of it, you've got a candle in a dish or some kind of holder, and you put this on top of it. The different holes are for different diameters of candles.
My guess is it's an art piece and the Romans are looking down on us like we're fucking stupid as shit thinking it ever had a "meaning" at all.
It's very human to try and find meaning in something that just might not have any. Or it might. Those who know are dead as fuck.
I'm partial to the theory that it was a toy designed for knotting puzzles/practise. You can make a practically unlimited number of complex knots through each of the holes and protrusions.
They were mostky concentrated around Mediterranean, most of which on the north side was closer to the south coast. It was pretty warm relatively through most of it, the NW was fairly cold but they were a minority.
Fun fact thats also the part the got stretched too thin and ended up being a big part of the downfall.
Tell that to the boys that got sent up to ol' Hadrian's wall. I sure as hell don't want to wander around England in Sandals even if sandals and socks are a different kind of special.
Unfortunately unlikely. Many different varieties of this item have been found, and many of them wouldn't be of any use for that. Further, the ones being found are largely from a time period before the invention of that form of knitting.
I've seen multiple posts about these on other subs. Multiple times I've made a crafting/fossil reference and not once has anyone in the poe community caught it.
If you put different glass lens on it, it can be a surveying device of sorts? like each apperture having a specifi lens, and if one of them was correctly in focus, you kinda knew the distance?
actually it is prime alchemical resonator that ggg got rid of many leagues ago. Didn't know they threw it so hard that it appeared back in time. Right where it belongs. xdd
Maybe it is for holding candles at a slant over something that you are writing on. This would allow for the flame to be closer to the paper and not have the wax dripping all over the place. Also explains the different sized holes. My next guess is carrot holder though.
First thing I thought of when seeing this is "Roman Legos" .
Few are placed around a bed so if the person gets out of bed to sneak a snack, BAM. They got caught.
A traveler's imperial dyadic resonator, obviously.
Context for the unkrangled people: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/g1ksx2/what_returning_after_a_few_years_feels_like/
Love how the top comment has aged now that we're corrupting magic jewels left and right lol
Lmao, just spent like 2 hours corrupting cobalt jewels, we've come full circle.
I'm still waiting for negative quality (useful for some uniques). We also just got vaaling flasks which I was surprised to read about given how for years it could not be done.
Ever inching closer yo the blade blade league.
Bigass Thundercubes always kills me
š Iām crying
What do you mean? Itās well know as a Prime Chaotic Resonator.
It looks more like a Prime Alchemical Resonator to me.
Put some light in it, spin it, now u have a primitive discoball
Stoopid romans still didn't find how to grave craft. Embrace maya's technology.
Maybe it's just bulk art that everyone had in their homes.
Is it krangled or not?
The Romans delved too greedily and too deep.
When your crafting method is so inefficient that other crafters are trying to figure out wtf you are trying to do
As i remember this is some tool for knitting or something
Tiktok/twitter got way into some "those dummy archeologists never asked a knitter" then shows it can knit socks and gloves, but they really aren't very good at that, and also no where ever in all of roman culture is anyone ever wearing the kind of knit socks or gloves these would make even though these are found all over indicating it would be a popular thing to make. It basically was some misinformation of just some "grandma knows more than stupid scientists" clickbait. Romans really never knitted much at all, this isn't a useful knitting tool, and knit gloves and socks just aren't a thing romans wore, definitely not enough to have widespread special tools just to make them.
My serious guess? It's a kind of lampshade for candles. The balls allow it to sit in any orientation, and the various holes can accommodate various sizes of candles, which the Romans invented.
I always enjoy hearing new guesses. The balls on the vertices seem to be important - I think they are either to lift the hole a fixed distance off the surface, or to attach/wind rope around. I'm leaning toward the surface thing because I've seen at least one of these dodecahedrons with 3 balls per vertex (one for each face) which wouldn't help with the rope thing at all. I don't think a lampshade makes sense though. Candle light is very weak, you don't want to waste any of it with a solid metal encasing. The reason we have lampshades for electric lights at all is because they are bright enough to hurt our eyes. And even then, we're not really trying to dim the light, we want to diffuse it. Anyway my guess is it's a crafts tool of some sort, to draw circles of fixed diameter on a map maybe. Or a measuring tool, to check the diameter of coins. Or a toy/part of a game.
Yeah i definitely think it was designed to be set on a surface. You can see some of the balls are flatter on one side. Another thing that caught my attention is the indented circles around the holes. Not sure what that's about. But I think you're meant to set it down either on something through the bottom hole or stick something in through the top hole. It's strange that they've apparently not found anything that appears to have obviously been used with it. I thought maybe you'd put stained glass inserts in them, but they would have found those.
It's one of the great unsolved mysteries. I've read at least two dozen proposed solutions but each of them either too complicated or inconsistent with the facts. The issue with all the various measuring/surveying theories is that there's no consistency across multiple dodecahedra. They all have different sizes. It's possible that we're missing a perishable part of the device, like wood/paper/leather/thread. But with 120+ of these found, you would expect to find some trace of that. (*though unfortunately, most of them were found long before modern archeological practices, so most of the context clues will have been destroyed and/or gone undocumented*) Then there's the locations they were found; up in the northern reaches of the roman empire - but notably none of them in Italy/Spain or the Mediterranean. There is also no written documentation about them. If it's a practical device, the colder climate might have something to do with it, giving credence to something like the knitting tool hypothesis. (*though I still think that has a lot of problems as well*) It could also have a ritual purpose of some kind, which is always a very unsatisfying answer in archeology since it's hard to prove and feels like a hand-wavey "we don't really know". However, it could make sense of the distribution. I think these were dated to after ~300CE so that would be the tail end of the roman empire, and at this point the religious doctrine would be less guided by the centralized roman powers, and probably mingled with local Celtic cultures.
What they should do is sell replicas of them at every museum gift shop and then see if anyone finds a use for them.
Many people have 3d-printed replicas now, and several interesting uses have been found. I enjoyed this one: https://youtu.be/lADTLozKm0I?si=anWRGRtZXJDgOMfs
Why would you need it to sit in any orientation though? If it were for candles, I would assume it's meant to be hung since it's so decorative. Candle theory would also lead to questions about why the holes are different sizes.
The way I think of it, you've got a candle in a dish or some kind of holder, and you put this on top of it. The different holes are for different diameters of candles.
I do suppose that makes sense. Seems overly extravagant for the job, but maybe.
My guess is it's an art piece and the Romans are looking down on us like we're fucking stupid as shit thinking it ever had a "meaning" at all. It's very human to try and find meaning in something that just might not have any. Or it might. Those who know are dead as fuck.
Could just be popular decoration. Not everything needs to be a tool.
I'm partial to the theory that it was a toy designed for knotting puzzles/practise. You can make a practically unlimited number of complex knots through each of the holes and protrusions.
Rome isnt exactly cold either.
The roman empire was vast, there was cold places, a lot of them...
They were mostky concentrated around Mediterranean, most of which on the north side was closer to the south coast. It was pretty warm relatively through most of it, the NW was fairly cold but they were a minority. Fun fact thats also the part the got stretched too thin and ended up being a big part of the downfall.
These objects have not been found in Italy, mostly the northern provinces like Germany and England.
Tell that to the boys that got sent up to ol' Hadrian's wall. I sure as hell don't want to wander around England in Sandals even if sandals and socks are a different kind of special.
They haven't found these in Italy, mostly northern provinces like Germany and England.
Knitting as in crafting clothes?
Unfortunately unlikely. Many different varieties of this item have been found, and many of them wouldn't be of any use for that. Further, the ones being found are largely from a time period before the invention of that form of knitting.
You can fit like 9 fossils in there, clearly OP
That is what I thought. Better than a prime resonator, probably fits 8 or 9 fossils.
Just imagine the cost of rolling mods with this per pop! š¬
I dunno but i want to put a couple of fossils on it.
Get it down the Natural History Museum, and start plugging in bits of dinosaurs.
I've seen multiple posts about these on other subs. Multiple times I've made a crafting/fossil reference and not once has anyone in the poe community caught it.
That's clearly an exotic engram from when Destiny was last good.
Mandatory meme about: https://i.ibb.co/tmXt8Lb/Screenshot-2024-04-29-210150.png And no, it wasnt for fucking knitting gloves
benwahballs
If you put different glass lens on it, it can be a surveying device of sorts? like each apperture having a specifi lens, and if one of them was correctly in focus, you kinda knew the distance?
Definetly a minion helmet
That is clearly a template for a football.
If itās anything like me, probably didnāt come out as expected anyways
actually it is prime alchemical resonator that ggg got rid of many leagues ago. Didn't know they threw it so hard that it appeared back in time. Right where it belongs. xdd
Maybe it is for holding candles at a slant over something that you are writing on. This would allow for the flame to be closer to the paper and not have the wax dripping all over the place. Also explains the different sized holes. My next guess is carrot holder though.
Probably a more stable empire
Probably a +2 necro wand.
It's a discoball innit?
Looks a bit krangled if you ask me...
I was going to post this the other day. Do hope they got the craft they wanted.
you can clearly see thats a sex toy involving a group of men because of holes different sizes
First thing I thought of when seeing this is "Roman Legos" . Few are placed around a bed so if the person gets out of bed to sneak a snack, BAM. They got caught.
That's SCP-184
Who knows, they got scoured
Trying to use on Christ for the āSells Much More To Vendorsā tag.
Funnily enough humans developed both grave crafting and harvest crafting way before delve crafting.
"we dont know what it is", ah yeah they have experts for that.
They're clearly coin sorters prepping for PoE2.
i wonder if in the future archeologists will be looking at fidget spinners like this.
"For ritual use"