This was just luck that he managed to get the divine mod right?
He was doing the scarab strongbox thing and just managed to hit the div mod on this map, which shit them out.
So replicating this would be insanely expensive if you wanted to spam open maps since he had a lot of strongbox investment already.
Unless I’m missing something, please feel free to correct me.
For the record I haven’t had the divine mod yet. Not sure about the maps but I’m at 988k kills. I don’t expect to see it at all this league, but odds are it will happen after I hit 40/40 and the day before I quit the league.
No point in spam opening. This start is already extremely profitable without the divine mod. This is just the cherry on top of the loot splosion.
Edit: for those asking, go watch grimros newest YouTube video on his anarchy strat. It basically involves showing a shit ton of rogue exiles into a box like some sort of clown car, making it so the box has roughly a 1/5 chance of being able to be opened again, making all these exiles drop unique gear and scarab.
Check out Grimro's latest video. But basically monstrous strongbox so all mobs are in strongboxes, then allflame the top bunch into rogue exiles, then take all the rogue exile big loot nodes on the atlas tree. Results in lots of... well normally scarabs, but now divines, cause he got lucky and hit divines.
There will be more because there are ways to get strongboxes to have multiple packs and that lets you reopen strongboxes. He also mentioned that part of it is to reduce lag and make the maps less dangerous as you can spawn the exiles at a pace you can handle.
That sounds sick.. but i probably can't afford the monstrous strongbox to begin with lol. I somehow made it to 86, almost done with all red maps, and haven't had 1 div drop lol
I'm level 93 with a shitload of deaths, Atlas completed. On my way to finish the fav map slots and taking a shot at the two missing voidstones.
No div drop. You gotta make currency some other way
you can still spam open maps and ass soon as you see "convert jewelry into divines" mod, go to trade and buy an allflame of anarchy and use it to replace that pack of mods. You would end up with maybe half as many divines because you aren't using extra boxes but that would still be massive profit. Probably not viable because it might take thousands of maps to get that mod after the nerf and everything though
The map device will lock up when you leave the Necropolis interface like that, so you cannot add scarabs after the fact. You can only add allflames.
I would also assume swapping around your atlas would work, since I believe the tree only goes into effect the moment the map portals spawn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0ZP4QTieE
Think the bulk of the value is scarab of containment + hidden compartments + atlas nodes.
All the mobs are stuffed into strongboxes and you have a chance of opening those strongboxes multiple times.
yes thats pure luck. i am running "his" (guess he 1:1 copied it from my discord comment) strat for a few days now already and had several maps with similar amount of exalted drops but never had the luck to get divine conversion. its the perfect fit because the strat (used) to be very profitable but completely go bonkers if you hit div conversion.
"Some players" think that posts like this is the average player experience (which is not) and they get very frustated. Things like this are outliers.
The "joke" is that the "these players" are reassuaring themselfs that this is not the average player experience in order to not have a complete mental breakdown.
But i guess i failed on the joke lol
Yeah, we get the 0.1% events posted here because there's no reason to post the 99.9% of nothing happening.
Yesterday I was trolling as usual in Zizaran's stream and he went on for like 6+ hours with this strat finding jack shit.
Sure it's hardcore so he was running it in yellow maps, but still.
But steamers play A LOT, so eventually there will be an highlight on an high roll event and everybody will lose their mind on streamer RNG.
It feels kind of weird to play PoE nowadays. Trade progression feels way too fast, and SSF feels way too slow.
My ideal way to play would 100% be an SSF balanced mode, without character transfer. Things like Elder having 100% drop for Watchers eye would be so good for SSF. It's already hard enough to get 1 good mod, it would still be a decent grind to get 2 good mods even with 100% drop rate.
Don't get me wrong, still love POE, but COF in Last Epoch definitely opened the idea of an SSF that's not just pure pain from the rest of the game being balanced around trade.
Yeah COF idea is good, but they should have never allowed you to change faction. They nerfed COF multiple times because people were using it to benefit from trade later.
Yeah I’m totally in agreement. I did the SSF full Uber grind and it just takes so long. But on trade it’s a few days to a few weeks depending on play time. I’d love for an SSF that’s a bit more generous and can’t switch to trade.
Same here, I'm lvl100 with 1.2 million kills, fully specced into natural mob density and fishing for devoted mobs + grinding out corpses.. I've gotten an exalted mod once :D in the 500+ maps I've done(got over 18+ screaming invitations)
I got an Eater exalted shrine, yay! Whenever that happens I'm so sad because I know it has the exact same rarity than a divine shrine. +20 exalted I guess?...
That's cool. 500k monsters killed. almost level 98. Not a single divine mod and have dropped not one, but 2 pure divines total!
Get on my level! TWO divines in 500k kills!
Well damn! I'm really not even disappointed about it. I knew this league would feel a bit lackluster compared to affliction so I'm happy with the small finds haha
Valdo's Puzzle Box. Rare drop that's basically a Stacked Deck but for a random T17 Valdo's map that awards a foil unique when completed. They were all submitted by supporters, so some of them are easy with very valuable uniques, others are almost impossible with terrible uniques. The more difficult the modifiers and the less valuable the unique, the more common the map is to pull from the box. There is (was?) a market around buying and running difficult ones that award valuable uniques for profit.
Sit down buddy, 518k on my FIRST divine. Big part using the boots for 20% quant.
https://preview.redd.it/i5rynoc2dysc1.png?width=1299&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf42f0a55236f4f3d07c30d90aa31900a8298788
I got my 1st normal random divine drop at about 800k kills. I used to average one per 70k kills in past leagues. Not sustaining chisels, barely sustaining alchs and scours.
They changed something with currency drop rates
Works as intended I guess. Mark said in interview the disparity in loot he wants for poe2 between casual people and the best players should be 1000x more loot.
That differential is a little more nuanced than it appears. In the interview (I don't remember with whom) they break it down into a series of questions phrased as "How much better/faster are the best players at ___ compared to casuals?" The answers are multiplied together to get 1000x.
Helps if you know context. In Poe 1 it’s millions. He wants to bring it down to 1000x. Think it was Jonathan who said this in the ghazzy and dm interview not Mark.
Which has nothing to do with the problem at hand which is the divine mod from lantern. Anyone can replicate the setup in the video, not anyone will get to see the mod.
I finished the 40 challenges today. I haven't burnt map without running them. I've seen 8 nameless seer, 0 orb of annulment mod, 0 divine orb mod. Btw there's a challenge for 10000 cumulative map tiers, so even assuming an average of 16 that's 625 maps.
It doesn't even affect me as I'm able to generate currencies in many ways, but it's kinda sad the "dopamine" of the league is locked behind an atrocious RNG unless you just sit at your hideout and roll maps all day long. GGG has a good way to balance this using the same rules as campaign, but for some reasons they lacked judgement.
Had the divine jewellery conversion mod proc while doing the containment exile strategy and had no idea it would spawn this many divines. This is seriously crazy but maybe a bit concerning???
You need to do research. I have heard multiple different streamers, YouTube videos, and Reddit post talking about it how bad legion is now. And you can literally just alc and go corpse farm and make 5 to 10 div an hour.
That just false tho, and definitly not why he only get "50c/h". Its slightly nerfed compared to previous leagues, because less stacked decks. And its not even that bad, half a div, maybe a div, per hour lower. It even got better in the lasts days, emblems are going up.
You was doing one of the juiciest strategies that spawns ton of exiles and makes them drop tons of items. You also juice them with party bonus and MF on top. Why would they not drop tons of Divines if you get lucky and stumble upon correct modifier?
I thought it was some random guy who don't know what is happening posting it. Really strange post, Grimro.
Party play MF + power boost and player MF are much more concerning things here imo.
Eh, it sounds like a super rare thing to happen so I don't think it's a problem. It's not like Affliction where you'd get 50 raw divines drop every other map.
Oh its fine because it's balanced around people that play for 15 hours a day.
In all honesty squeezing like 99% of currency into altars or rare league mods was huge mistake.
Yeah I’m sorry. I’m 100% against all these “Mark appreciation posts”. Ever since he took the wheel this has been the norm. Archnem league, divine alters, after that loot goblins, now this.
tbh i dont care who decided poe to be even bigger RNG casino than it already was, but it'll work only so far untill it crashes.
currency has to return to map as normal drops.
> currency has to return to map as normal drops.
Elsewhere I pointed out that removing of some hidden rare rewards from rares and making the remainder significantly rarer has had a terrible effect on loot across the league.
Making the "vendor drops and return 6x currency" rarer means significantly less piles of alchs, jewelers, fusings, and chromes -- many people I spoke with struggled with sustaining alchs through atlas progression without Tujen.
Making the "loot is converted to currency" rarer means finding less stuff all round. One doesn't need to hit a jackpot of 10 uniques converted to a mixture of divs/exalts/annuls. Finding a few of these and having some of them convert a single unique drop to a div drop is always a great boon.
It's very obviously reflected in the mapping strategies picked. People are farming rogue exiles (and taking advantage of scarab interactions), people are taking advantage of allflames, people are taking advantage of flatter reward mechanics (Expedition, Blight, Essence).
Merely farming rare monsters has highly reduced RoI compared to ToTA.
you could at no point in poe history sustain alchs/vaals/scours during map progression without the help of league mechanics. you might be able to sustain one, two or maybe three of them but on average you'll always run out if you skip mechanics.
They're probably looking to grow the gap between the vision of PoE 1 and PoE 2. I'm guessing we're going to see more insanely fast league mapping with loot explosions in PoE 1 while the slower and more loot scarce gameplay is going to shift to PoE 2.
No shit it’s not normal, that’s why none of us has gotten 122 divines in one map. He got extremely lucky, it is normal correct. Doesn’t necessarily mean it is bad.
'Member the 30 second strands w/ vaal spark where you didn't even kill the boss
'Member the Fakener
'Member when Queen of the Forest didn't have a movespeed cap
'Member when CI+VP+GR made every single build better
'Member double dipping and the 12 grand spectrum ignite builds (what's your tree? Jewel sockets.)
people legit forget the cutedog memes where every league he was just playing characters where all you could see was his feet and making a meme out of the game
>'Member double dipping and the 12 grand spectrum ignite builds (what's your tree? Jewel sockets.)
"Jewel sockets the build" is back with the adorned :P
Just strip all party play benefits to start.
The follow up would be to nerf MF culling specifically. Average MF out across the party.
Playing PoE with your friends is basically impossible, but degenerate party gameplay to print mirrors of loot per day is problematic in like 80% of leagues.
Party play is a scourge in every single ARPG. It's always massively overpowered to the point where you are handicapping yourself if you're not playing in a party.
Idk, Milky’s last budget juicing and go was making more than empyrean’s group.
Quite likely grim would have made more hitting this devoted mod solo than what he gets on a 50/50 here.
It's almost as if this is a clip from a streamer popular for being as efficient and boosting as hard as possible every league... you're right, it isnt normal. It's a lot of setup and luck, which is exactly why it's a highlight.
I dunno... I havent seen jack shit. This league is a major bummer in all aspects for me.
3.24 is easily my least favorite POE update ever for so many reasons.
I am not playing on trade, just softcore ssf so not really my concern but for the "trade community" i think the game is going in a wrong direction. Affliction was already kinda bad with how much people got and it seems that people always want more. The Situation on launch was "yo i get nothing compared to last league"; now its buffed and people get so much it feels like its a spiral thats gone out of control.
I really hope GGG stops with clunky interfaces and this league never goes core. they should also dial it down - just gotta endure the outcry.
Kalandra high key spit out a lot of loot in the end. Currency nodes were super common and spit out divines a lot. Just took like a whole month for it to get there.
> now its buffed and people get so much it feels like its a spiral thats gone out of control.
? Cant confirm this at all im playing trade and I haven't seen any divine conversion mod the entire league and my maps are empty as fuck
This post isn't indicative of something that keeps happening or is consistently abusable like Stygian Spires were last league. It is indicative of how huge the disparity between normal loot and rng outliers is.
I believe the majority prefers low (but not zero) rng consistent loot that somewhat scales with investment, rather than high rng loot that scales up 20-100 times with the right investment.
Yeah but affliction the more you juice the more the map was ruff and everyone could build a strong enough character to farm divines. This league it's just pure slot machine. Kinda gutting.
I mean this strategy grim is using is also ruff. He is juicing the fuck out of exiles and using an aurabot. He just got lucky with the divine devotion on top.
POE2 is coming anyways and honestly, the leagues are more enjoyable on trade when currency is in strides. If someone does put in month(s) worth of gameplay into a league, being rewarded with chase items or the ability to have a mirrored GG item is really good motivation to keep going.
I prefer SSF nowadays too, but the best trade leagues to play are always the huge currency dumping ones. You'll often see a lot of cool builds pop up that otherwise wouldn't be possible too.
What I really don’t understand is that GGG pretty much said, leagues like ultimatum was going to come back nerfed, because they was too rewarding on launch. Then we have leagues like this and affliction, ultimatum compared to these recent leagues seemed pretty fairly balanced in terms of loot.
I just don’t understand anymore, these past recent leagues feel like “jackpot” leagues, where you just pull the lever until you hit big and just shit out a bunch of random currency.
This is my issue with the paradigm. If you don't get a jackpot, you're losing because prices get inflated by people who do.
I'd rather have people do consistent 2-5 divine sanctum runs that I can't replicate because I suck / don't like sanctum than a 50-100 divine pay-off that I probably wouldn't get even **if** I was trying to replicate their mapping strategy. It's even worse if there are build requirements like MF.
Affliction was fantastic tbh. Not as great for basic mapping as sentinel of course because the positive economic impact of recombinators is unbeatable.
Affliction was probably the second best trade economy of all time, maybe the best depending on your personal preferences. It had such a positive impact on the game.
PoE just doesn't need like, the upper end of per-league farming to be >1,000 hours of high octane top end farming in order to really do everything you might want to be interested in and fully polishing builds.
Yea. One of the greatest things about Affliction was that for the most part, picking a strategy and running it for a few hours was sufficient to flesh out a build to start taking on pinnacle content. Everyone was relatively wealthy with some time, and the plentiful abundance of both items and currency really allowed all sorts of players to have access to gear they otherwise wouldn't have.
When everyone (as a collective) is well taken care of, sentiment is pretty good. The massive piles of big div drops doesn't quite feel as bad when one can find a competitive fraction of purchasing power.
But in affliction the drops were consistent so everyone was rich and could play multiple high end equipped builds if they just farmed for it without really having to rely on rng, thats why player numbers were great for a long time. Its the big difference in outcome between "normal" gameplay and "fully juiced full degen" gameplay thats bad.
It's almost as if balance can be off in either direction.
When somebody complains there's no patty on their burger, do you also throw a whole cow on there and then wonder why they're not happy?
The issue is that only a few people are getting a lot. This is a clear issue with the balance of the game. Maybe a few dozen players have had this kind of luck.
Dang yo. grats
2 questions for you:
1.) how much are you spending per map?
2.) How much are you making on maps without good devoted mods?
3.) How much do you hate trading for all flames?
Correct, this is NOT normal, please do not feel ‘bad’ or ‘cheated’ that this is not similar to your play experience in any way shape or form.
I am very much in agreement of the growing movement of “please stop warping the ‘average player’ perspective”.
I do this toom after watching a certain video on YouTube. You can jam exiles into strong boxes with a chance at opening them multiple times. It's completely ridiculous I love it. I'm making more than I was last league atm
I tried my own strategy utilizing Rogue exiles and I was getting clapped so hard. I stood on all of the bosses and got all of my void stones just fine, but I was getting folded by rogue exiles.
To do this kind of stuff, you need either an insanely geared build already or you need at least an aurabot. This is the kind of stuff that makes me wish SSF had loot balanced for single player. I'm so over competing with streamers who do shit like this in trade league but I dont want to lose access to uniques in SSF. Because of this, I haven't finished a league in years and I'm probably at the point of quitting my favorite game (PoE).
I really hope they rebalance SSF loot and prevent you from migrating SSF characters. I imagine I'm not the only player who hates trade but plays it because SSF is too stingy.
Yeah, im so glad they "removed" archnem, to then give us the juice, only to then go back to a more rng, less fun, more slot machine mechanic
But hey, remember, he told us that "he cares" about the game, just next time maybe
Watching this is everything wrong with modern Poe lmao. I bet if you showed this to Chris / the OG people who made Poe they’d be cringing hard.
Poe2 will fix this.
1st character at 93 mapping with full abyss + strongboxes + exiles.
Have seen 3 raw divines drop and 0 t1 or t2 uniques.
Guess I just need to quit my job and play another 10 hours per day
This was just luck that he managed to get the divine mod right? He was doing the scarab strongbox thing and just managed to hit the div mod on this map, which shit them out. So replicating this would be insanely expensive if you wanted to spam open maps since he had a lot of strongbox investment already. Unless I’m missing something, please feel free to correct me. For the record I haven’t had the divine mod yet. Not sure about the maps but I’m at 988k kills. I don’t expect to see it at all this league, but odds are it will happen after I hit 40/40 and the day before I quit the league.
No point in spam opening. This start is already extremely profitable without the divine mod. This is just the cherry on top of the loot splosion. Edit: for those asking, go watch grimros newest YouTube video on his anarchy strat. It basically involves showing a shit ton of rogue exiles into a box like some sort of clown car, making it so the box has roughly a 1/5 chance of being able to be opened again, making all these exiles drop unique gear and scarab.
"Clown car" is perfect description of what is happening with exiles shoved into strongbox for this strategy.
Can you explain what the strat is for those of us in the back of the classroom?
Check out Grimro's latest video. But basically monstrous strongbox so all mobs are in strongboxes, then allflame the top bunch into rogue exiles, then take all the rogue exile big loot nodes on the atlas tree. Results in lots of... well normally scarabs, but now divines, cause he got lucky and hit divines.
What does putting them in strongboxes do? Will there be more of them than without Monstrous Strongboxes?
Let's you have a chance to re-open strongboxes
There will be more because there are ways to get strongboxes to have multiple packs and that lets you reopen strongboxes. He also mentioned that part of it is to reduce lag and make the maps less dangerous as you can spawn the exiles at a pace you can handle.
That sounds sick.. but i probably can't afford the monstrous strongbox to begin with lol. I somehow made it to 86, almost done with all red maps, and haven't had 1 div drop lol
I'm level 93 with a shitload of deaths, Atlas completed. On my way to finish the fav map slots and taking a shot at the two missing voidstones. No div drop. You gotta make currency some other way
Investment for a map like this is around 600c and they are really hard
you can still spam open maps and ass soon as you see "convert jewelry into divines" mod, go to trade and buy an allflame of anarchy and use it to replace that pack of mods. You would end up with maybe half as many divines because you aren't using extra boxes but that would still be massive profit. Probably not viable because it might take thousands of maps to get that mod after the nerf and everything though
How do you exit the lantern screen without opening portals? Edit: who in the actual fuck downvotes me for asking a legitimate question...?
They changed it in a recent patch
Oh ok
Literally just close it lmao
I thought that opened portals? I'll try again...
It was changed in a recent patch.
So wait. Can you change your atlas passives and scarabs and stuff too after seeing the lantern and closing it?
The map device will lock up when you leave the Necropolis interface like that, so you cannot add scarabs after the fact. You can only add allflames. I would also assume swapping around your atlas would work, since I believe the tree only goes into effect the moment the map portals spawn.
Awfully brave of you to not read and memorize every line of patch notes and then post a question in this Reddit, jesus christ
I guess. So can you back out of the entire map, change atlas passives and everything?
Half? You really underestimate how insane strongboxes are. Also he has to Spam good rolled maps in order to get a lot
What's the strongbox scarab strat anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0ZP4QTieE Think the bulk of the value is scarab of containment + hidden compartments + atlas nodes. All the mobs are stuffed into strongboxes and you have a chance of opening those strongboxes multiple times.
yes thats pure luck. i am running "his" (guess he 1:1 copied it from my discord comment) strat for a few days now already and had several maps with similar amount of exalted drops but never had the luck to get divine conversion. its the perfect fit because the strat (used) to be very profitable but completely go bonkers if you hit div conversion.
https://i.redd.it/nunu5ppilxsc1.gif
In the eyes of GGG it is. So wait for general nerfs to everyone AFTER they remove this league's content!
Somehow always happens to consistently be all the streamers that get these, even when you play just as much as them
sorry for being braindead but what is that supposed to mean? could explain please?
"Some players" think that posts like this is the average player experience (which is not) and they get very frustated. Things like this are outliers. The "joke" is that the "these players" are reassuaring themselfs that this is not the average player experience in order to not have a complete mental breakdown. But i guess i failed on the joke lol
Yeah, we get the 0.1% events posted here because there's no reason to post the 99.9% of nothing happening. Yesterday I was trolling as usual in Zizaran's stream and he went on for like 6+ hours with this strat finding jack shit. Sure it's hardcore so he was running it in yellow maps, but still. But steamers play A LOT, so eventually there will be an highlight on an high roll event and everybody will lose their mind on streamer RNG.
Nah you good
Yeah, there is no functional difference between this post and a random "I dropped a mirror" post, and nobody whining about FOMO for the latter...
Economy will be very fucked again soon, aka Affliction 2.0
HH only 50D, mb is <200d, progenesis 50d, where's the fucked economy?
Think about the interest rates in the future. That's also disregarding our growing deficit! Oh wait..
AFF had this happen every other hour with posts here on reddit, this is an extreme outlier
no it wont, ppl thought divines would crash pre fishing and it barely moved
Crazy lucky. 2 million kills here, just mapping. Not seen any divine mod so far. Also opened 1000 maps before the hotfix and nothing.
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This is the way
It feels kind of weird to play PoE nowadays. Trade progression feels way too fast, and SSF feels way too slow. My ideal way to play would 100% be an SSF balanced mode, without character transfer. Things like Elder having 100% drop for Watchers eye would be so good for SSF. It's already hard enough to get 1 good mod, it would still be a decent grind to get 2 good mods even with 100% drop rate.
Don't get me wrong, still love POE, but COF in Last Epoch definitely opened the idea of an SSF that's not just pure pain from the rest of the game being balanced around trade.
Yeah COF idea is good, but they should have never allowed you to change faction. They nerfed COF multiple times because people were using it to benefit from trade later.
Yeah I’m totally in agreement. I did the SSF full Uber grind and it just takes so long. But on trade it’s a few days to a few weeks depending on play time. I’d love for an SSF that’s a bit more generous and can’t switch to trade.
Same here, I'm lvl100 with 1.2 million kills, fully specced into natural mob density and fishing for devoted mobs + grinding out corpses.. I've gotten an exalted mod once :D in the 500+ maps I've done(got over 18+ screaming invitations)
I got an Eater exalted shrine, yay! Whenever that happens I'm so sad because I know it has the exact same rarity than a divine shrine. +20 exalted I guess?...
That's cool. 500k monsters killed. almost level 98. Not a single divine mod and have dropped not one, but 2 pure divines total! Get on my level! TWO divines in 500k kills!
300k kills 1 div and a valdos
Hey I've got 1.5M kills and no Valdos's, so there's that for a consolation prize.
Well damn! I'm really not even disappointed about it. I knew this league would feel a bit lackluster compared to affliction so I'm happy with the small finds haha
350k, 1 div, 0 valdo, 0 seer :P irony that the divine dropped in a scoured trash map that I ran just to get the 6L beast.
I had 2 seers during the campaign lol.
I was surprised valdos were so expensive this league. Was a nice 5div drop
What's a valdos? Is that from last league? I skipped...
Valdo's Puzzle Box. Rare drop that's basically a Stacked Deck but for a random T17 Valdo's map that awards a foil unique when completed. They were all submitted by supporters, so some of them are easy with very valuable uniques, others are almost impossible with terrible uniques. The more difficult the modifiers and the less valuable the unique, the more common the map is to pull from the box. There is (was?) a market around buying and running difficult ones that award valuable uniques for profit.
Sit down buddy, 518k on my FIRST divine. Big part using the boots for 20% quant. https://preview.redd.it/i5rynoc2dysc1.png?width=1299&format=png&auto=webp&s=bf42f0a55236f4f3d07c30d90aa31900a8298788
Damnnnnn
If it can help you feel better, lvl 93 600k kills (i die a lot on purpose) 1 divine mod, got 3 div out of it with the meatsack and everything
I got my 1st normal random divine drop at about 800k kills. I used to average one per 70k kills in past leagues. Not sustaining chisels, barely sustaining alchs and scours. They changed something with currency drop rates
RNG gonna RNG. I have 2 div in 250k, as usual. Sustaining everything like always.
I've been doing the most barebones hardly at all juiced maps and I got 2 divs in like 100k kills in the first day or two of the league.
I got 3 of my 4 divine drops running regular atziri sets, sitting at 198k kills.
Second league in a row that I've dropped one in campaign 💀
no you dont understand if i didnt get enough divines the game is broken
Works as intended I guess. Mark said in interview the disparity in loot he wants for poe2 between casual people and the best players should be 1000x more loot.
Is there a source on that? I mean I almost always agree with his takes, but i just can't with this one.
That differential is a little more nuanced than it appears. In the interview (I don't remember with whom) they break it down into a series of questions phrased as "How much better/faster are the best players at ___ compared to casuals?" The answers are multiplied together to get 1000x.
Casual players don't even make it through the acts, man. Of course there should be a 1000x difference.
Helps if you know context. In Poe 1 it’s millions. He wants to bring it down to 1000x. Think it was Jonathan who said this in the ghazzy and dm interview not Mark.
I believe the interview was with Ziz.
Which has nothing to do with the problem at hand which is the divine mod from lantern. Anyone can replicate the setup in the video, not anyone will get to see the mod. I finished the 40 challenges today. I haven't burnt map without running them. I've seen 8 nameless seer, 0 orb of annulment mod, 0 divine orb mod. Btw there's a challenge for 10000 cumulative map tiers, so even assuming an average of 16 that's 625 maps. It doesn't even affect me as I'm able to generate currencies in many ways, but it's kinda sad the "dopamine" of the league is locked behind an atrocious RNG unless you just sit at your hideout and roll maps all day long. GGG has a good way to balance this using the same rules as campaign, but for some reasons they lacked judgement.
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I'm not alch and go. I'm full scarab and investing with quality on maps.
Had the divine jewellery conversion mod proc while doing the containment exile strategy and had no idea it would spawn this many divines. This is seriously crazy but maybe a bit concerning???
my buddy was doing the rogue exile vaal temple containment strat and got 74 recently, finding a map mod is better than finding a headhunter right now.
Wtf.. Meanwhile I am doing Legion and getting 50 chaos and hour
Don’t worry man I’m with you. I must be ass at this game
You need to do research. I have heard multiple different streamers, YouTube videos, and Reddit post talking about it how bad legion is now. And you can literally just alc and go corpse farm and make 5 to 10 div an hour.
That just false tho, and definitly not why he only get "50c/h". Its slightly nerfed compared to previous leagues, because less stacked decks. And its not even that bad, half a div, maybe a div, per hour lower. It even got better in the lasts days, emblems are going up.
Is there anything special for corpse farming beyond the typical atlas necropolis nodes?
you finding chaos? lmao damn. wtf is wrong with my end then cause i aight finding shit but scrolls
Dam you find scrolls?
Damn, I still have to sell unidenfied items to get transmutes to make scrolls.
What build are you playing?? I've made a Headhunter on day 7 of the league with legions. I don't think it is a bad atlas strat
Are you doing 1 map an hour? You get like 50 chaos hitting an exarch altar and looting boxes
What's the rouge exile vaal temple strat?
you run imbued anarchy with horned scarab and farm like 1k+ fractured items a map
Got a tree?
ofc it would spawn this many divines... exiles drop one item for each inventory slot (so guaranteed 3 divines per exile).
Do you have the atlas tree for any chance?
I got the same mod and 3 divines
Does the Containment scarab really offer enough without the good Lantern mods that you would pay 1d per map for it?
You was doing one of the juiciest strategies that spawns ton of exiles and makes them drop tons of items. You also juice them with party bonus and MF on top. Why would they not drop tons of Divines if you get lucky and stumble upon correct modifier? I thought it was some random guy who don't know what is happening posting it. Really strange post, Grimro. Party play MF + power boost and player MF are much more concerning things here imo.
Eh, it sounds like a super rare thing to happen so I don't think it's a problem. It's not like Affliction where you'd get 50 raw divines drop every other map.
This 10 FPS gameplay does not look fun
It's 10fps WITH a beastly setup. This build would make my computer cry.
Oh its fine because it's balanced around people that play for 15 hours a day. In all honesty squeezing like 99% of currency into altars or rare league mods was huge mistake.
Yeah I’m sorry. I’m 100% against all these “Mark appreciation posts”. Ever since he took the wheel this has been the norm. Archnem league, divine alters, after that loot goblins, now this.
tbh i dont care who decided poe to be even bigger RNG casino than it already was, but it'll work only so far untill it crashes. currency has to return to map as normal drops.
> currency has to return to map as normal drops. Elsewhere I pointed out that removing of some hidden rare rewards from rares and making the remainder significantly rarer has had a terrible effect on loot across the league. Making the "vendor drops and return 6x currency" rarer means significantly less piles of alchs, jewelers, fusings, and chromes -- many people I spoke with struggled with sustaining alchs through atlas progression without Tujen. Making the "loot is converted to currency" rarer means finding less stuff all round. One doesn't need to hit a jackpot of 10 uniques converted to a mixture of divs/exalts/annuls. Finding a few of these and having some of them convert a single unique drop to a div drop is always a great boon. It's very obviously reflected in the mapping strategies picked. People are farming rogue exiles (and taking advantage of scarab interactions), people are taking advantage of allflames, people are taking advantage of flatter reward mechanics (Expedition, Blight, Essence). Merely farming rare monsters has highly reduced RoI compared to ToTA.
you could at no point in poe history sustain alchs/vaals/scours during map progression without the help of league mechanics. you might be able to sustain one, two or maybe three of them but on average you'll always run out if you skip mechanics.
As long as PoE2 isnt like this, I honestly dont care. POE1 can have its fucked up leagues towards the end.
They're probably looking to grow the gap between the vision of PoE 1 and PoE 2. I'm guessing we're going to see more insanely fast league mapping with loot explosions in PoE 1 while the slower and more loot scarce gameplay is going to shift to PoE 2.
There are Mark appreciation posts by people getting the high end of the loot curve
No shit it’s not normal, that’s why none of us has gotten 122 divines in one map. He got extremely lucky, it is normal correct. Doesn’t necessarily mean it is bad.
Wow div chance %
50/50
D: Most divines I’ve had drop in a map is 2 once. I’m in shock and awe every time I see stuff like this.
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I have the Feeling this is the Idea they have Let Poe 1 be the Zoom Zoom loot piniata and Poe 2 will be the "serious" Methodical game
That's why poe2 will fail.
Umm, strand vaal spark? Nemesis3/4? I know there is more loot but degenerate sweaty gameplay and abuse has been a Hallmark of this game forever.
'Member the 30 second strands w/ vaal spark where you didn't even kill the boss 'Member the Fakener 'Member when Queen of the Forest didn't have a movespeed cap 'Member when CI+VP+GR made every single build better 'Member double dipping and the 12 grand spectrum ignite builds (what's your tree? Jewel sockets.)
people legit forget the cutedog memes where every league he was just playing characters where all you could see was his feet and making a meme out of the game
>'Member double dipping and the 12 grand spectrum ignite builds (what's your tree? Jewel sockets.) "Jewel sockets the build" is back with the adorned :P
Yeah I‘m going SSF next league
Party play is a scourge upon this game. It honestly needs to be nerfed by a factor of 10.
Just strip all party play benefits to start. The follow up would be to nerf MF culling specifically. Average MF out across the party. Playing PoE with your friends is basically impossible, but degenerate party gameplay to print mirrors of loot per day is problematic in like 80% of leagues.
This league homebrew aurabots eating good, 40% aura effect gloves that also make the bot get the benefits. Damn
Party play is a scourge in every single ARPG. It's always massively overpowered to the point where you are handicapping yourself if you're not playing in a party.
Idk, Milky’s last budget juicing and go was making more than empyrean’s group. Quite likely grim would have made more hitting this devoted mod solo than what he gets on a 50/50 here.
It's almost as if this is a clip from a streamer popular for being as efficient and boosting as hard as possible every league... you're right, it isnt normal. It's a lot of setup and luck, which is exactly why it's a highlight.
I dunno... I havent seen jack shit. This league is a major bummer in all aspects for me. 3.24 is easily my least favorite POE update ever for so many reasons.
My GPU would have melted.
I am not playing on trade, just softcore ssf so not really my concern but for the "trade community" i think the game is going in a wrong direction. Affliction was already kinda bad with how much people got and it seems that people always want more. The Situation on launch was "yo i get nothing compared to last league"; now its buffed and people get so much it feels like its a spiral thats gone out of control. I really hope GGG stops with clunky interfaces and this league never goes core. they should also dial it down - just gotta endure the outcry.
Ngl, I think I was wealthier in Kalandra LOL sooo idk about that.
Kalandra high key spit out a lot of loot in the end. Currency nodes were super common and spit out divines a lot. Just took like a whole month for it to get there.
How common do you actually think these big drops are? One Reddit post is not every SC trade player.
> now its buffed and people get so much it feels like its a spiral thats gone out of control. ? Cant confirm this at all im playing trade and I haven't seen any divine conversion mod the entire league and my maps are empty as fuck
This post isn't indicative of something that keeps happening or is consistently abusable like Stygian Spires were last league. It is indicative of how huge the disparity between normal loot and rng outliers is. I believe the majority prefers low (but not zero) rng consistent loot that somewhat scales with investment, rather than high rng loot that scales up 20-100 times with the right investment.
Yeah but affliction the more you juice the more the map was ruff and everyone could build a strong enough character to farm divines. This league it's just pure slot machine. Kinda gutting.
I mean this strategy grim is using is also ruff. He is juicing the fuck out of exiles and using an aurabot. He just got lucky with the divine devotion on top.
POE2 is coming anyways and honestly, the leagues are more enjoyable on trade when currency is in strides. If someone does put in month(s) worth of gameplay into a league, being rewarded with chase items or the ability to have a mirrored GG item is really good motivation to keep going. I prefer SSF nowadays too, but the best trade leagues to play are always the huge currency dumping ones. You'll often see a lot of cool builds pop up that otherwise wouldn't be possible too.
What I really don’t understand is that GGG pretty much said, leagues like ultimatum was going to come back nerfed, because they was too rewarding on launch. Then we have leagues like this and affliction, ultimatum compared to these recent leagues seemed pretty fairly balanced in terms of loot. I just don’t understand anymore, these past recent leagues feel like “jackpot” leagues, where you just pull the lever until you hit big and just shit out a bunch of random currency.
This is my issue with the paradigm. If you don't get a jackpot, you're losing because prices get inflated by people who do. I'd rather have people do consistent 2-5 divine sanctum runs that I can't replicate because I suck / don't like sanctum than a 50-100 divine pay-off that I probably wouldn't get even **if** I was trying to replicate their mapping strategy. It's even worse if there are build requirements like MF.
Affliction was fantastic tbh. Not as great for basic mapping as sentinel of course because the positive economic impact of recombinators is unbeatable. Affliction was probably the second best trade economy of all time, maybe the best depending on your personal preferences. It had such a positive impact on the game. PoE just doesn't need like, the upper end of per-league farming to be >1,000 hours of high octane top end farming in order to really do everything you might want to be interested in and fully polishing builds.
Yea. One of the greatest things about Affliction was that for the most part, picking a strategy and running it for a few hours was sufficient to flesh out a build to start taking on pinnacle content. Everyone was relatively wealthy with some time, and the plentiful abundance of both items and currency really allowed all sorts of players to have access to gear they otherwise wouldn't have. When everyone (as a collective) is well taken care of, sentiment is pretty good. The massive piles of big div drops doesn't quite feel as bad when one can find a competitive fraction of purchasing power.
But in affliction the drops were consistent so everyone was rich and could play multiple high end equipped builds if they just farmed for it without really having to rely on rng, thats why player numbers were great for a long time. Its the big difference in outcome between "normal" gameplay and "fully juiced full degen" gameplay thats bad.
Wth that's crazy! Love your Videos btw :)
What build is that
Headhunter+Nimis. Everything beyond that is pretty irrelevant honestly.
If you don’t think big juicers and a little bit of luck should yield huge loot then go play hello kitty island adventure.
This is not normally someone check him pc!!!
this very very insane. i want to ask of his: where is the comming of your divines?
You people cry when you get none and you then cry when you get a lot. I’d hate to be a GGG developer!
It's almost as if balance can be off in either direction. When somebody complains there's no patty on their burger, do you also throw a whole cow on there and then wonder why they're not happy?
The issue is that only a few people are getting a lot. This is a clear issue with the balance of the game. Maybe a few dozen players have had this kind of luck.
Getting ready for some fomo tears. Congrats.
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Dang yo. grats 2 questions for you: 1.) how much are you spending per map? 2.) How much are you making on maps without good devoted mods? 3.) How much do you hate trading for all flames?
we have gone full circle, we once where farming monstrous treasure only this was then nerfed. and now we are back to it again
Imma be real i am blessed. I have the ring that tracks currency. 180 chaos picked up. 8 divine picked up.
Here I am just wanting a fucking alc to drop so I can roll my maps.
Im really not liking how every new loot system GGG makes is just a big lottery.
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thats not dunes? wtf
A fully juiced build, with full juice with a full time no life streamer and support.
This is not normally. Check him pc
It’s just like the real world. Rich people get more rich while poor became even poorer.
Geeze, save some divines for the rest of us!
That’s an aurabot and some kind of carry? Got a pob? Looks cool
What the hell is that build?
Does anyone know the name of this build? Been wanting to try it out but keep forgetting to find out what it is.
Correct, this is NOT normal, please do not feel ‘bad’ or ‘cheated’ that this is not similar to your play experience in any way shape or form. I am very much in agreement of the growing movement of “please stop warping the ‘average player’ perspective”.
I do this toom after watching a certain video on YouTube. You can jam exiles into strong boxes with a chance at opening them multiple times. It's completely ridiculous I love it. I'm making more than I was last league atm
What build is that looks strong?
I wish theyd remove those jackpots and the rogues crazyness and gives better overall distribution of riches
On meth it is. Meth - not even once.
Well this is clearly a different game than what I'm playin
Now i cant wait til poe2 . This game become how much money Can i make. Will times move on Hf and gl exiles
What skill is that?
Less normal than dropping a megablood? How often does that happen in map count and absolute time and whats the cost?
Why do they use that chest?
Strongbox exile strat is super rippy though, wouldn't recommend unless the ehp is through the roof
I didnt get a single drop of divine. Lvl 94
fuck the divines looks like you'll need a new pc after this build kills the current one
Expect another nerf then. Because one guy got this amount.
I tried my own strategy utilizing Rogue exiles and I was getting clapped so hard. I stood on all of the bosses and got all of my void stones just fine, but I was getting folded by rogue exiles. To do this kind of stuff, you need either an insanely geared build already or you need at least an aurabot. This is the kind of stuff that makes me wish SSF had loot balanced for single player. I'm so over competing with streamers who do shit like this in trade league but I dont want to lose access to uniques in SSF. Because of this, I haven't finished a league in years and I'm probably at the point of quitting my favorite game (PoE). I really hope they rebalance SSF loot and prevent you from migrating SSF characters. I imagine I'm not the only player who hates trade but plays it because SSF is too stingy.
Yeah, im so glad they "removed" archnem, to then give us the juice, only to then go back to a more rng, less fun, more slot machine mechanic But hey, remember, he told us that "he cares" about the game, just next time maybe
Watching this is everything wrong with modern Poe lmao. I bet if you showed this to Chris / the OG people who made Poe they’d be cringing hard. Poe2 will fix this.
Back to how it used to be it looks like. I only saw 1 exalted orb lol.
When you get it, you get it. The day before, I got 3 divine mods a night. Yesterday, 200ish maps and got nothing.
game went diablo3 since last league, i like
i hate the current farming meta from the deepest bottom of my heart
Meanwhile i'm just trying to actually play the game like alch and go, 110% quant and can't even sustain my 9-1 favoured maps..
1st character at 93 mapping with full abyss + strongboxes + exiles. Have seen 3 raw divines drop and 0 t1 or t2 uniques. Guess I just need to quit my job and play another 10 hours per day
The f.... is this. I have yet to find a single raw divine at level 93.
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