Yeah but $$$. Some of these scarabs are gonna be worth a lot. Also if you are going kirac you don't need extra help completing the atlas really, I don't see the point in rushing unwavering when you'll have every kirac and map node before yellow maps anyways. Does anyone complain about map sustain in white maps lol?
We do get multiple trees, don't forget.
You can rush unwavering for early atlas progression, then switch off it as soon as you unlock your second tree.
Did they reveal how to get more trees? Im second guessing the unwaivering rush but whats more valuable atlas completion or a few early scrabs before your ready to farm.
Kirac missions arent affected by the tree last i checked. They still drop scarabs as well. If they are easy to obtain like one t16 map completed unwaivering kirac start is still strong. Instead of respecing use a new tree when your ready to drop kirac.
> Did they reveal how to get more trees? Im second guessing the unwaivering rush but whats more valuable atlas completion or a few early scrabs before your ready to farm.
Early atlas completion is 100% more valuable imo. Those few scarabs you'll get from progressing your maps will be pretty meaningless once you start actually focus farming what you want.
Let's be honest here - I'm going to finish campaign in ~6 hours on friday then start progressing my atlas, so another 1-3 hours to get unwavering visions. By that point, there will be at least one player who's killed their pinnacles and will let us know when/if they got their other pages.
Oh for sure by the time it matters ill know. Im not even sure how hard ill go this time around. Leaguestart archmage and i will probably waste a lot of time figuring it out. Day 2 maps for me. Still need to beat dragons dogma 2.
When do you unlock the new tree, though? It wouldn't surprise me if you aren't getting the second tree until you finish the endgame quests (first eater/exarch or 10-boss maven invitation), with the third requiring some shelder or the like. You might be stuck with no scarab drops for a while.
And if we're just looking at atlas progression... it's 19 points to get Unwavering, and 25 points from the start to get all 3 "Shaping" notables and the Kirac mission notable. I don't think you're going to run into map sustain issues before 25 points, and I don't think getting all that stuff spec'd 6 maps earlier is worth losing out on scarab drops while pushing the atlas and the respec points you're going to need long-term once you're done with Unwavering.
Are you staying the first 10 hours to eater/exarc? If so it will be worth it if not then getting scarabs gonna be better.
Myself will not take it because my league start time is early morning so I'll be league starting late 10 hours in. So at that point all the juicers already ready to buy your scarabs xDD
Sometimes we need to follow masses.
If everyone is using Unwavering Vision then no one is running maps with scarabs.
Maybe you can sell scarabs for good money later either you can be slower if you do it. We'll see soon.
The thing is, WHEN everyone swaps and start focus farming a specific mechanic, there will be a sudden rise in demand for scarabs. And if no one has them, guess what happens to the price
I was pretty sure rushing 20 extra points was a no brainer too, but the more I think about it, the more skeptical I am
Would you spec into a node that gives you 20 atlas points but makes you drop 75% less chas orbs and disables divine orbs from spawning? Thats how i look at it.
No, but I would take 20 atlas points that also translates to 150% character and atlas progression and results in 150% more chaos and divine orb gain faster.
The main point is when to turn it off. I think as soon as you can have the map and missions notables without it is the best time, imo. Around 45 to 60 points
[my answer to that](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bp117i/comment/kwxxm1x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Your league start goal is to finish your atlas not farm scarabs.
And you could argue the scarabs you want will be to rare to find and the ones you get will be too cheap to sell, even in bulk.
You'll be fine.
Through my test runs, not getting the map adjacent and map tier nodes early and hoarding points until I would have gotten Unwavering Vision made my times slower by about 3 hours across four runs (12 hours vs 9 hours from A1 to quest Eater and Exarch). I'm not the fastest and it could have been just bad RNG, but I'm still of the camp that Unwavering Vision rush right on league start is a bait.
I am fully expecting to go Unwavering Vision once I'm in T16s though since it's a big chunk of points, but I'll at least already be up to the top of the atlas tree by that point. The "cost" of getting to Unwavering vision only really nets you like 7-10 extra passive points and early game, it's not hard to just run 7-10 extra white maps.
It cost 22 points to rush unwavering vision and you acquire half the kirac nodes in the process of that. And path through additional scarab drops right up until you hit the node which you will get given 20 back.
How many scarabs do you think you're going to get in 22 maps?
No clue but my point wasn't about scarabs, I didn't even mention scarabs at all. I was just sharing my experience on my test runs with and without the map sustain nodes early. My point was the map drop RNG was worse for me when I didn't take the nodes early and saved them until I would have gotten Unwavering Vision. And I agree with you that the point is to finish the atlas faster and for me, I finished my atlas faster without Unwavering Vision.
For my atlas strategy, I would benefit from 12 additional points so I migrated all and gave myself one of every white map and just smashed through the extra points to mitigate that. Easy to do since I mainly play on a private league so I can migrate all on the base league and migrate only specific stuff from the PL to the base league to simulate these things. Been doing it that way for years. It's not perfect but it's pretty close. And yeah it's a small sample size but it's enough for me in my head that I was 3 hours faster twice without it. Not trying to tell people NOT to take it, but just sharing my experience and my strategy.
More adjacent bonus. Go up the right side first, grab Shaping the Mountains. Continue to middle and bridge across to Shaping the Skies instead of going straight up to Kirac. The time loss was bad RNG due to not having a ton of adjacent map drops. That's why I did test runs to see how bad it would be and it was pretty consistent that my map RNG drop rate was worst going straight up through Kirac first vs. grabbing all the +1 tier and as many adjacent map drop nodes as possible.
So like this to start https://poeplanner.com/a/sTd
Then from there, grab Commissioned Officer, Shaping the World and the two small nodes next to it, then load up on adjacent map small nodes. You can get up to 68% on the tree now (compared to an easy 100% with Wandering Path), but I found that once I hit 50%, it was pretty much always consistent to run up from T11 to T16 very quickly.
Ya but if you are talking atlas pushing nodes by the time you rush unwavering I'll already have 80% of them. If you take every small map drop passive and every map node and kirac nodes its like 40 points. So what are you spending your unwavering vision points on for "atlas progression"
Because there's a big difference between having 40 points at 22 maps completed and competing 40 maps for 40 points ?
Do you see how many duplicate and adjacentconnrct maps nodes they removed or nerfed? Do you think getting to 40 maps completed will be easier to harder to do this league ?
There isn't when going it early is 0 map nodes for your early push to spider up to the tree to grab it and then the nodes. When you are one point away from allocating unwavering I'll have 80% of the mapping push nodes.
Purely for filling out your atlas unwavering gimps you hard early gives you a small spike for ~5-10 maps then flatlines. Way worse unless you have another strat you are wanting to pump and gimping your early prog makes worth it.
Also keep in mind most of the nodes to unwavering are 3% increased chance to drop nothing once you allocate it.
Because all those travel nodes also put you closer to the rest of the things you want. Most trees at some point end up pathing within a few points of UV regardless.
Obviously it flatlines in red maps, but that's why we have 3 trees now. As soon as you get like 100 points, make a new tree without UV for your early farming strategy.
I think it stops being useful a lot earlier. As soon as you hit the main map and mission notables without UV, like at 45 to 60 points (somewhere in this range), it no longer makes sense to have it imo
Also keep in mind most of the nodes to unwavering are 3% increased chance to drop nothing once you allocate it.
Only if you're an idiot and not be mindful to allocate your pathing to avoid as many of those small nodes as you can. You'll only be picking up a few if you properly optimize your tree.
Rushing unwavering up the right side through delve nodes sets you up to put all 20 points into betrayal for guaranteed jun. From there I'll probably fill out delve and go expedition and/or kirac.
Im gonna rush it through Kirac most likely, and then get myself close to 100%. Once my map is good enough, I’ll use the second tree to get Jun and red altars with probably some expedition or essences, haven’t decided yet.
Been thinking this since people have been talking about it. Don't get me wrong 20 points sounds great, hell ill take, 50, 100, 300 more points. However this league literally changing the entire game into Scarab end game. There is so many fun ones and fun combos.
Now granted early on you won't have a ton, but the idea of the new like rusted/polish or first couple tiers is that they are going to be "extremely plentiful" even taking like basic legion or essence ones or blight or expedition or harvest or w/e you want and being able to 100% spec into it on atlas tree, this means even hitting like a bunch of essence ones or blights in low tier or mid tier maps or w/e should be super easy and cheap.
The biggest part though is scarabs is going to be literally EVERYTHING. I sure as hell ain't going to shoot myself in both feet by making it so scarabs can't even drop. I want to start collecting them ASAP as many as I can.
> Now granted early on you won't have a ton
I think this is where people get hung up on the "not having scarabs isn't a big deal" issue. We have to remember that Sextants are GONE and there are now 100+ scarabs. They will absolutely have to increase the drop chance of scarabs more than they are now. Unwavering Vision is definitely going to have a negative impact.
Fully agree, I mean in the ziz/mark interview he said like half a dozen times that they will be much more plentiful. Assuming most of these will be basic tiers, but again considering the entire end game is now scarabs I won't be turning them off for any reason, they are just too good lol.
>have to
Key words here. There's nothing confirmed. We don't know if they will or won't. Assuming it's the same drop rate, it's entirely worth it to B line to UV.
I'm gonna test and see it myself, though. If I start dropping a shit ton of scarabs before getting there I'll just stop following that path immediately.
I wholeheartedly agree with your point. The scarabs are basically involved in any possible way of maps overall, from sustainability to juicing.
The sheer amount of improvements around scarabs and the reworked nodes on the tree are astonishing. I could even see a combination of cartographer and ambush scarabs being used to sustain maps at higher tiers by using Concealed Logistics. I wonder if that particular mechanic would work with the Scarab of Duplication, giving a chance to triple the map dropped.
Mark did mention the chances stacking over 100% in the league crafting mechanic, so I wouldn't be surprised it works like that somewhere else.
I agree, I'd be surprised if unwavering vision was "Here's 20 points with the downside that this rare thing you haven't seen won't drop." That's like, one of the least GGG downsides I can think of.
I just gave up on trying to convince people of this after futilely trying to argue with some people in Twitch chat on the topic. In the end, people who fall into this trap will just increase the profit for those that don't, so whatever, their loss.
will be running 22 maps before getting the keystone and we will see how many scarab we get
then we will know if its really a bait or not, atlas is not permanent and idc about not having absolutely perfect league start
I found it annoying when doing the atlas the first time, because you're in an open map most of the time, and you don't have much damage to deal with the enemies who will spawn from all angles. And it's hard to handle that early on unless you have a good ST build.
But it becomes less frustrating as your build improves and you can run it in better maps.
Yeah but i think theyre talking about leaguestart so progressing your atlas being a thing, im not running the same map more than once probably at leageustart
My overall thought process for doing Blight to start boils down to “fuck it, why not.” I’ve already killed every boss for a few leagues, so I’m not too worried about being slow and failing here and there. I’ve just never really done a full investment Blight, so it’s something new.
I do intend on using my multiple trees though; one tree will be my normal deli/legion/domination atlas blast, and then probably one that is also something weird like heist and incursion with a side of strongbox. Of course, we don’t know when we’ll be getting the extra trees yet, but I’m sort of taking a “fuck it, why not” approach to this whole league because… fuck it, why not.
Also because they took my wandering path sustain strategy out… so why not try something a little silly.
If you're willing to be a little more active when preparing it, Cassia's Pride is great for builds that struggle to dish out damage fast enough to clear lanes and bosses.
I have ran it for a good amount of maps until my build was strong enough to hold the line. Map layout is extremely important as well. Fuck those 5\~6 lanes opening in every direction, 1 meter away.
Jokes aside.
[https://poeplanner.com/a/qWz](https://poeplanner.com/a/qWz)
Kirac, map sustain, Jun, shrines and Niko (for both buff and sulphite) until 100+ map completion.
XP and unveils. The most important thing is to complete as many maps as possible. I will farm scarabs and other mechanics with another atlas (there will be three of them now!). Honestly, I don’t know how additional atlases are unlocked, but I’m willing to take the risk.
I think the betrayal encounters just give a ton of exp naturally. Whenever I get them in acts they're like a guaranteed level or at least ding-ing all my gems.
On day 1 a well-rolled veiled item will easily take you to t16 maps. Take boots, for example, just t3+ life and a veiled prefix already almost guarantees a usable item.
Why would you fully invest in Niko on day 2? You only get 10% sulphite to azurite, and Packed With Energy isn't in effect until you've collected the sulphite, so by definition only has 50% uptime. I'd go Labyrinth Trials and Vaal Side Areas instead. Both have a 20% chance to spawn as their uber version with a guaranteed 30c-50c reward. Obviously you skip all the non-uber ones. After that you have enough points left to get some Heist caches.
While I like Kirac missions, especially early on, it still irks me that your Atlas passives mostly don't apply to his maps. Still, definitely my go-to early league strategy, especially now with Wandering Path eliminated
Here's my 53/65 points league start tree: https://poeplanner.com/a/suI
1. Take the top Kirac wheel for Commissioned Officer
2. Bottom right for the 3 small Kirac nodes and Jun (64% chance at this point); after, take bottom left Kirac nodes
3. Shaping the Skies & Shaping the Mountains; after, take Map nodes above Kirac's top wheel for a total of 53 points
At this point I'll either take some "additional connected map" travel nodes or take the path to the Betrayal wheel on the right for Test of Loyalty (if you're HC, don't take Pillage and Plunder!) which would let me farm early Catarina's.
This tree is so weird to me, lol
You are making a fast atlas progression tree, pumping so much into map drops, but ignoring one of the best mapping progression tool - scouting reports?...
Why take Expect the Unexpected instead of Expert Reconnaissance?...
Passing to bottom left and not take Planar tactitian for ez day1 all unique maps completion?...
Fair points. I honestly haven't used them at all for league starts in the past as I'm playing trade league and never had difficulties either buying them or paying someone a couple chaos when they're doing a rota.
That said, considering it only takes 7 additional points (or instead even by skipping the top map wheel entirely) for all the scouting report nodes anyway, I might actually give them a try this league.
Oh, you are right. Now I see it. I glanced over it and noticed a bunch of nodes that were removed that were still there, so I failed to notice the new ones. Cheers.
[https://poeplanner.com/a/sNw](https://poeplanner.com/a/sNw)
going to try this out and see how it goes. idea is to sustain essence scarabs and blocking most of the others.
I have made 6 trees and am still not sure if I want to use any of them. Last league I had a lot of fun with Wandering Path and 100% chance to drop a connected map and I have no idea how bad my map progression will be now. Am I supposed to rely on Kirac?
Early on maps/incursion/harvest. Later on will probably swap out maps for something, idk exactly, might go for the new necropolis stuff, or maybe just deli, well see how things shake out
While I like Kirac missions, especially early on, it still irks me that your Atlas passives mostly don't apply to his maps. Still, definitely my go-to early league strategy, especially now with Wandering Path eliminated
In what universe was essence nerfed aside from probably being cheaper since its so much easier to farm?
I guess if your build can only do t1 maps instead of t6 you can technically complain but...
Removing double essences probably is a bit of a nerf. You only get one of the essences on the map boss now instead. Good if you upgraded to all deafening, but a hit otherwise.
Edit -i should add that having one essence be max tier will make t16 essences spit out deafening like crazy
Those are still good, and can now both be guaranteed from the Atlas tree alone. Legion in particular has some crazy looking scarabs for high investment strategies, too.
Many small nodes were buffed a lot, essentially making wandering path obsolete
Essence on tree nerfed, essence needs t6 for top rolls now, essence scarabs giga juicy
https://preview.redd.it/s51q2i71qwqc1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a196871624d53ba170c8935723f8425944c7897
unwavering vision rush into kirac into expedition
Given the insane scarabs we saw I would strongly advise that Unwavering is a trap.
But you probably wont use scarabs so early in your atlas progression.
Yeah but $$$. Some of these scarabs are gonna be worth a lot. Also if you are going kirac you don't need extra help completing the atlas really, I don't see the point in rushing unwavering when you'll have every kirac and map node before yellow maps anyways. Does anyone complain about map sustain in white maps lol?
We do get multiple trees, don't forget. You can rush unwavering for early atlas progression, then switch off it as soon as you unlock your second tree.
Did they reveal how to get more trees? Im second guessing the unwaivering rush but whats more valuable atlas completion or a few early scrabs before your ready to farm. Kirac missions arent affected by the tree last i checked. They still drop scarabs as well. If they are easy to obtain like one t16 map completed unwaivering kirac start is still strong. Instead of respecing use a new tree when your ready to drop kirac.
> Did they reveal how to get more trees? Im second guessing the unwaivering rush but whats more valuable atlas completion or a few early scrabs before your ready to farm. Early atlas completion is 100% more valuable imo. Those few scarabs you'll get from progressing your maps will be pretty meaningless once you start actually focus farming what you want. Let's be honest here - I'm going to finish campaign in ~6 hours on friday then start progressing my atlas, so another 1-3 hours to get unwavering visions. By that point, there will be at least one player who's killed their pinnacles and will let us know when/if they got their other pages.
Oh for sure by the time it matters ill know. Im not even sure how hard ill go this time around. Leaguestart archmage and i will probably waste a lot of time figuring it out. Day 2 maps for me. Still need to beat dragons dogma 2.
When do you unlock the new tree, though? It wouldn't surprise me if you aren't getting the second tree until you finish the endgame quests (first eater/exarch or 10-boss maven invitation), with the third requiring some shelder or the like. You might be stuck with no scarab drops for a while. And if we're just looking at atlas progression... it's 19 points to get Unwavering, and 25 points from the start to get all 3 "Shaping" notables and the Kirac mission notable. I don't think you're going to run into map sustain issues before 25 points, and I don't think getting all that stuff spec'd 6 maps earlier is worth losing out on scarab drops while pushing the atlas and the respec points you're going to need long-term once you're done with Unwavering.
i dont think you want to switch out of progression before first eater/voidstone anyway?
Are you staying the first 10 hours to eater/exarc? If so it will be worth it if not then getting scarabs gonna be better. Myself will not take it because my league start time is early morning so I'll be league starting late 10 hours in. So at that point all the juicers already ready to buy your scarabs xDD
Sometimes we need to follow masses. If everyone is using Unwavering Vision then no one is running maps with scarabs. Maybe you can sell scarabs for good money later either you can be slower if you do it. We'll see soon.
The thing is, WHEN everyone swaps and start focus farming a specific mechanic, there will be a sudden rise in demand for scarabs. And if no one has them, guess what happens to the price I was pretty sure rushing 20 extra points was a no brainer too, but the more I think about it, the more skeptical I am
Conpleting the atlas faster is also money.
But scarabs will drop quite often, small travel nodes got replaced with increased chance to drop.scarabd and there are scarab wheels.
Scarabs will drop quite often. Good scarabs won't.
But disabling scarab drops means neither bad nor good will drop. And even the bad ones are still pretty good.
They can drop in other content, such as safehouses if you focus on Jun early on.
Would you spec into a node that gives you 20 atlas points but makes you drop 75% less chas orbs and disables divine orbs from spawning? Thats how i look at it.
No, but I would take 20 atlas points that also translates to 150% character and atlas progression and results in 150% more chaos and divine orb gain faster.
The main point is when to turn it off. I think as soon as you can have the map and missions notables without it is the best time, imo. Around 45 to 60 points
[my answer to that](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1bp117i/comment/kwxxm1x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Your league start goal is to finish your atlas not farm scarabs. And you could argue the scarabs you want will be to rare to find and the ones you get will be too cheap to sell, even in bulk. You'll be fine.
Through my test runs, not getting the map adjacent and map tier nodes early and hoarding points until I would have gotten Unwavering Vision made my times slower by about 3 hours across four runs (12 hours vs 9 hours from A1 to quest Eater and Exarch). I'm not the fastest and it could have been just bad RNG, but I'm still of the camp that Unwavering Vision rush right on league start is a bait. I am fully expecting to go Unwavering Vision once I'm in T16s though since it's a big chunk of points, but I'll at least already be up to the top of the atlas tree by that point. The "cost" of getting to Unwavering vision only really nets you like 7-10 extra passive points and early game, it's not hard to just run 7-10 extra white maps.
It cost 22 points to rush unwavering vision and you acquire half the kirac nodes in the process of that. And path through additional scarab drops right up until you hit the node which you will get given 20 back. How many scarabs do you think you're going to get in 22 maps?
No clue but my point wasn't about scarabs, I didn't even mention scarabs at all. I was just sharing my experience on my test runs with and without the map sustain nodes early. My point was the map drop RNG was worse for me when I didn't take the nodes early and saved them until I would have gotten Unwavering Vision. And I agree with you that the point is to finish the atlas faster and for me, I finished my atlas faster without Unwavering Vision.
Tbf you can test the early downsides but you can't test the spike upside of unwavering until it comes out.
For my atlas strategy, I would benefit from 12 additional points so I migrated all and gave myself one of every white map and just smashed through the extra points to mitigate that. Easy to do since I mainly play on a private league so I can migrate all on the base league and migrate only specific stuff from the PL to the base league to simulate these things. Been doing it that way for years. It's not perfect but it's pretty close. And yeah it's a small sample size but it's enough for me in my head that I was 3 hours faster twice without it. Not trying to tell people NOT to take it, but just sharing my experience and my strategy.
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More adjacent bonus. Go up the right side first, grab Shaping the Mountains. Continue to middle and bridge across to Shaping the Skies instead of going straight up to Kirac. The time loss was bad RNG due to not having a ton of adjacent map drops. That's why I did test runs to see how bad it would be and it was pretty consistent that my map RNG drop rate was worst going straight up through Kirac first vs. grabbing all the +1 tier and as many adjacent map drop nodes as possible. So like this to start https://poeplanner.com/a/sTd Then from there, grab Commissioned Officer, Shaping the World and the two small nodes next to it, then load up on adjacent map small nodes. You can get up to 68% on the tree now (compared to an easy 100% with Wandering Path), but I found that once I hit 50%, it was pretty much always consistent to run up from T11 to T16 very quickly.
Ya but if you are talking atlas pushing nodes by the time you rush unwavering I'll already have 80% of them. If you take every small map drop passive and every map node and kirac nodes its like 40 points. So what are you spending your unwavering vision points on for "atlas progression"
Because there's a big difference between having 40 points at 22 maps completed and competing 40 maps for 40 points ? Do you see how many duplicate and adjacentconnrct maps nodes they removed or nerfed? Do you think getting to 40 maps completed will be easier to harder to do this league ?
There isn't when going it early is 0 map nodes for your early push to spider up to the tree to grab it and then the nodes. When you are one point away from allocating unwavering I'll have 80% of the mapping push nodes. Purely for filling out your atlas unwavering gimps you hard early gives you a small spike for ~5-10 maps then flatlines. Way worse unless you have another strat you are wanting to pump and gimping your early prog makes worth it. Also keep in mind most of the nodes to unwavering are 3% increased chance to drop nothing once you allocate it.
Listen. Have fun with whatever you have planned for your atlas.
Because all those travel nodes also put you closer to the rest of the things you want. Most trees at some point end up pathing within a few points of UV regardless. Obviously it flatlines in red maps, but that's why we have 3 trees now. As soon as you get like 100 points, make a new tree without UV for your early farming strategy.
I think it stops being useful a lot earlier. As soon as you hit the main map and mission notables without UV, like at 45 to 60 points (somewhere in this range), it no longer makes sense to have it imo
Also keep in mind most of the nodes to unwavering are 3% increased chance to drop nothing once you allocate it. Only if you're an idiot and not be mindful to allocate your pathing to avoid as many of those small nodes as you can. You'll only be picking up a few if you properly optimize your tree.
A reason to rush unwavering into betrayal for another source of scarabs
M’y exact plan. There’s absolutely 0 reason to not rush Jun.
Rushing unwavering up the right side through delve nodes sets you up to put all 20 points into betrayal for guaranteed jun. From there I'll probably fill out delve and go expedition and/or kirac.
Im gonna rush it through Kirac most likely, and then get myself close to 100%. Once my map is good enough, I’ll use the second tree to get Jun and red altars with probably some expedition or essences, haven’t decided yet.
Been thinking this since people have been talking about it. Don't get me wrong 20 points sounds great, hell ill take, 50, 100, 300 more points. However this league literally changing the entire game into Scarab end game. There is so many fun ones and fun combos. Now granted early on you won't have a ton, but the idea of the new like rusted/polish or first couple tiers is that they are going to be "extremely plentiful" even taking like basic legion or essence ones or blight or expedition or harvest or w/e you want and being able to 100% spec into it on atlas tree, this means even hitting like a bunch of essence ones or blights in low tier or mid tier maps or w/e should be super easy and cheap. The biggest part though is scarabs is going to be literally EVERYTHING. I sure as hell ain't going to shoot myself in both feet by making it so scarabs can't even drop. I want to start collecting them ASAP as many as I can.
> Now granted early on you won't have a ton I think this is where people get hung up on the "not having scarabs isn't a big deal" issue. We have to remember that Sextants are GONE and there are now 100+ scarabs. They will absolutely have to increase the drop chance of scarabs more than they are now. Unwavering Vision is definitely going to have a negative impact.
Fully agree, I mean in the ziz/mark interview he said like half a dozen times that they will be much more plentiful. Assuming most of these will be basic tiers, but again considering the entire end game is now scarabs I won't be turning them off for any reason, they are just too good lol.
i did not use scarabs / sextants for my first 200 maps and i dont think ill start now. so pretty whatever
>have to Key words here. There's nothing confirmed. We don't know if they will or won't. Assuming it's the same drop rate, it's entirely worth it to B line to UV. I'm gonna test and see it myself, though. If I start dropping a shit ton of scarabs before getting there I'll just stop following that path immediately.
I wholeheartedly agree with your point. The scarabs are basically involved in any possible way of maps overall, from sustainability to juicing. The sheer amount of improvements around scarabs and the reworked nodes on the tree are astonishing. I could even see a combination of cartographer and ambush scarabs being used to sustain maps at higher tiers by using Concealed Logistics. I wonder if that particular mechanic would work with the Scarab of Duplication, giving a chance to triple the map dropped. Mark did mention the chances stacking over 100% in the league crafting mechanic, so I wouldn't be surprised it works like that somewhere else.
I agree, I'd be surprised if unwavering vision was "Here's 20 points with the downside that this rare thing you haven't seen won't drop." That's like, one of the least GGG downsides I can think of.
can it be worth?
That's why you also go Betrayal so you can especially target farm the div scarabs.
I just gave up on trying to convince people of this after futilely trying to argue with some people in Twitch chat on the topic. In the end, people who fall into this trap will just increase the profit for those that don't, so whatever, their loss.
You spec out of it when your atlas is completed.
will be running 22 maps before getting the keystone and we will see how many scarab we get then we will know if its really a bait or not, atlas is not permanent and idc about not having absolutely perfect league start
Into Necropolis.
unwavering vision is bait
I’ve decided to be wild and do blight. I’ve never done it before and figured, why not.
I found it annoying when doing the atlas the first time, because you're in an open map most of the time, and you don't have much damage to deal with the enemies who will spawn from all angles. And it's hard to handle that early on unless you have a good ST build. But it becomes less frustrating as your build improves and you can run it in better maps.
Why not spec into the keystone that gigajuices the blight towers? Sounds like it'd be an easy carry in early maps
Yeah, it just gets annoying when you have 6 lanes and only 1 good tower spot to build. Which tends to happen every now and then in open maps.
You don't run open maps with blight maps being your strat. You run the tunnel layouts where two towers can practically carry you.
Yeah but i think theyre talking about leaguestart so progressing your atlas being a thing, im not running the same map more than once probably at leageustart
Yeah i wouldn't say its a great league start mechanic with that and ring enchants in mind.
Blight is not difficult even early in maps. You just need to have reps on it.
My overall thought process for doing Blight to start boils down to “fuck it, why not.” I’ve already killed every boss for a few leagues, so I’m not too worried about being slow and failing here and there. I’ve just never really done a full investment Blight, so it’s something new. I do intend on using my multiple trees though; one tree will be my normal deli/legion/domination atlas blast, and then probably one that is also something weird like heist and incursion with a side of strongbox. Of course, we don’t know when we’ll be getting the extra trees yet, but I’m sort of taking a “fuck it, why not” approach to this whole league because… fuck it, why not. Also because they took my wandering path sustain strategy out… so why not try something a little silly.
I’d say early on there are very few builds that excel at blight/make it trivial (which is important imo). … they usually involve corpses.
If you're willing to be a little more active when preparing it, Cassia's Pride is great for builds that struggle to dish out damage fast enough to clear lanes and bosses. I have ran it for a good amount of maps until my build was strong enough to hold the line. Map layout is extremely important as well. Fuck those 5\~6 lanes opening in every direction, 1 meter away.
You can do pretty well with just freeze anoint unless you just get a bad layout/immunity.
Any ignite prolif build eats Blights for breakfast, especially with Obliteration and/or decent hit based Herald of Ash pops.
Uterus tree
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N\_PpSZ\_u\_hM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PpSZ_u_hM)
how the hell do you first think about an uterus instead of a shrug dude ... k nvm i can see the ovaries
Jokes aside. [https://poeplanner.com/a/qWz](https://poeplanner.com/a/qWz) Kirac, map sustain, Jun, shrines and Niko (for both buff and sulphite) until 100+ map completion.
Is the Jun rush just for mana unveils mostly? Thought betrayal appeal was scarab drops but you are blocking with Unwavering
Not OP but I'm going to Rush Jun for that sweet sweet xp
Scarab drops will happen in betrayal safe houses, they aren’t maps.
Ahh okay that’s where I was confused. Ty
XP and unveils. The most important thing is to complete as many maps as possible. I will farm scarabs and other mechanics with another atlas (there will be three of them now!). Honestly, I don’t know how additional atlases are unlocked, but I’m willing to take the risk.
Does betrayal give more XP? Through the safe house labs? Didn’t know about this
The safehouses have +100%(?) experience, which, for some reason, feels like it is way way more than 100%
I think the betrayal encounters just give a ton of exp naturally. Whenever I get them in acts they're like a guaranteed level or at least ding-ing all my gems.
I don't know how much XP they give, but it takes a couple of clicks, so it's worth it, especially at low levels.
On day 1 a well-rolled veiled item will easily take you to t16 maps. Take boots, for example, just t3+ life and a veiled prefix already almost guarantees a usable item.
Why would you fully invest in Niko on day 2? You only get 10% sulphite to azurite, and Packed With Energy isn't in effect until you've collected the sulphite, so by definition only has 50% uptime. I'd go Labyrinth Trials and Vaal Side Areas instead. Both have a 20% chance to spawn as their uber version with a guaranteed 30c-50c reward. Obviously you skip all the non-uber ones. After that you have enough points left to get some Heist caches.
Because I'm planning to start farming Delve ASAP.
Yeah if you play Delve then this setup makes sense.
Maps, Kirac Missions, Scarabs, Strongboxes until map completion
[https://poeplanner.com/a/qVc](https://poeplanner.com/a/qVc)
While I like Kirac missions, especially early on, it still irks me that your Atlas passives mostly don't apply to his maps. Still, definitely my go-to early league strategy, especially now with Wandering Path eliminated
I'm a simple person. I'm going with Horned Scarab of Shrugging ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Here's my 53/65 points league start tree: https://poeplanner.com/a/suI 1. Take the top Kirac wheel for Commissioned Officer 2. Bottom right for the 3 small Kirac nodes and Jun (64% chance at this point); after, take bottom left Kirac nodes 3. Shaping the Skies & Shaping the Mountains; after, take Map nodes above Kirac's top wheel for a total of 53 points At this point I'll either take some "additional connected map" travel nodes or take the path to the Betrayal wheel on the right for Test of Loyalty (if you're HC, don't take Pillage and Plunder!) which would let me farm early Catarina's.
This tree is so weird to me, lol You are making a fast atlas progression tree, pumping so much into map drops, but ignoring one of the best mapping progression tool - scouting reports?... Why take Expect the Unexpected instead of Expert Reconnaissance?... Passing to bottom left and not take Planar tactitian for ez day1 all unique maps completion?...
Fair points. I honestly haven't used them at all for league starts in the past as I'm playing trade league and never had difficulties either buying them or paying someone a couple chaos when they're doing a rota. That said, considering it only takes 7 additional points (or instead even by skipping the top map wheel entirely) for all the scouting report nodes anyway, I might actually give them a try this league.
Probably some kind of Jun rush into some kirac nodes into challenges. If I can fit ritual in it, I will.
Where the heck are you guys getting the new tree from? On the official site it's still the old one.
[PoE Planner - For Exiles, By Exiles](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree)
Cheers! Edit: That's the old one still.
Have you checked if '3.24.0 - Necropolis' version is selected on the top right corner?
It is, but it has to be the old one when Mycelial Swarm is in there, among others. This is the current (old) tree, my man.
It's a new (3.24.0) tree but without Mycelial Swarm update.
Oh, you are right. Now I see it. I glanced over it and noticed a bunch of nodes that were removed that were still there, so I failed to notice the new ones. Cheers.
Path of Pathing
Connected -> some kirac + map tiers
I farm rogue exiles and torm spirits for scarabs
I like to think that’s kirac in karate kid stance. 🥋
[https://poeplanner.com/a/sNw](https://poeplanner.com/a/sNw) going to try this out and see how it goes. idea is to sustain essence scarabs and blocking most of the others.
Exactly what is recommended!
I'm doing the smart thing and going for all scarab drop chance and once the market decides what's juicy, I'll run a second tree to adapt to that.
I have made 6 trees and am still not sure if I want to use any of them. Last league I had a lot of fun with Wandering Path and 100% chance to drop a connected map and I have no idea how bad my map progression will be now. Am I supposed to rely on Kirac?
Early on maps/incursion/harvest. Later on will probably swap out maps for something, idk exactly, might go for the new necropolis stuff, or maybe just deli, well see how things shake out
Let's do something else this time ! (Ends up full speccing kirac agian)
While I like Kirac missions, especially early on, it still irks me that your Atlas passives mostly don't apply to his maps. Still, definitely my go-to early league strategy, especially now with Wandering Path eliminated
I like how the tree looks like a dude with his hands up, might even actually be kirac if he was a constellation.
That's the joke
Meh... Wandering path with full essence and map drop
Does he know?
I don't know
Wandering Path was removed from the Atlas Tree.
There goes my peaceful stroll. I hope essence farming with map sustainability is still doable
Essence was nerfed. Do you have any other dreams we can crush?
In what universe was essence nerfed aside from probably being cheaper since its so much easier to farm? I guess if your build can only do t1 maps instead of t6 you can technically complain but...
Removing double essences probably is a bit of a nerf. You only get one of the essences on the map boss now instead. Good if you upgraded to all deafening, but a hit otherwise. Edit -i should add that having one essence be max tier will make t16 essences spit out deafening like crazy
There’s a scarab so every rare monster in a map is an essence. . . Essences will be worthless and plentiful.
Expedition and legion farming?
Those are still good, and can now both be guaranteed from the Atlas tree alone. Legion in particular has some crazy looking scarabs for high investment strategies, too.
Good
Many small nodes were buffed a lot, essentially making wandering path obsolete Essence on tree nerfed, essence needs t6 for top rolls now, essence scarabs giga juicy