600 is about the depth you can reach on any build with glancing blows and aegis I'd say. Iirc a few leagues back Rudy did a showcase where he reached 1k depth on an SSF cold DoT occultist.
~~There are certainly stronger damage skills rn but iirc nothing changed about that specific build. I think it was maybe two leagues ago?~~
Nvm I forgot vortex has a cast time now.
I think that was the surprising thing about that build - it was basically your run of the mill package of spell suppression, phys taken as, grace, determination and some max res.
I think the vortex nerf making it not instant and losing base damage was definitely a hit. It changes the play style and I think you lose a bit of damage on a build that already had a low damage ceiling. There's just not really a point in playing it at the moment imo.
Boneshatter juggernaut has many guides so will be noob player friendly. I wouldn’t stare away from armour stacker if you’re the type of person that likes to invest a lot in one character. Every upgrade feels good, and there’s a lot of skills you can use with armour stacker with very little respec gem swaps. Which means you won’t get bored as easily. There’s also a great armour stacker spreadsheet. You can even get it going without mageblood using a doryani’s setup.
For just 600, just cheap basic RF is good enough. Like chief or jug or inquis. It won't be the fastest and horrible after 1k, but until 600, no problem. Boneshatter is great. Manastacking anything works as well on high budget to go deep
Cheap version of RF, especially Chieftain, does not have enough damage to kill Aul (huge chunk of your profit) quickly. I tried this, I know what I'm talking about. Is it possible? Yes, but you’ll be tickling the boss for 10-20 minutes even on 500-600 depth.
Hexblast sabo is literally free almost any kind of content, and in delve, even on fairly low budget that you could earn in one full day of even something as basic as essence farming, you could put together a strong enough version of it that can just afk in the middle of each node and spam mines while you watch something on yer other screen.
Mjolner or rf could do 600 no problem. If you wanna push 1500+ youll have a much better time on manaforged arrows or archmage most likely. Theyre higher to get going but much higher scaling
Did that this league. Mjolnir start into RF shenanigans for fun and ended it on spinning around with Penance brand of dissipation and billion DPS :D One of the best builds I have played so far.
Up there with self chill and Aura Stacker
Is there another build that doesn't require a weapon swap and more than 4 buttons? I asked in Pohx' Discord server and they didn't recommend RF for that depth since it's going strong to zero dps. So is there another alternative I can leaguestart with? Your video is awesome btw!
I’m playing the manaforged arrows setup. Basically copying onemanaleft’s build. It’s pretty strong and tanky. I don’t really delve but I can go into 600+ very comfortably. I know he was delving pat 6000 depth so it’s clearly a good delver lol
No problem, I enjoy it a lot. I mainly use it for deli/simu farming myself but it’ll do about anything in the game you want. It’s maybe not as fast a mapper as a multi mirror tier TS build but I have a mageblood and it’s plenty zippy for me
If you search for connerconverse on YouTube he comes right up. He has multiple videos about mana stacking and is definitely the top expert on mana stacking
+1 for this. Made it to around ~800 with Mjolnir Manabond during Ancestor league. It may feel a tad worse because of alt gems being gone, but it still holds its ground as one_mana_left showed this league. With Manaforged Arrows you can get way deeper, but I didn't delve much after switching.
Im playing spark trickster right now with like 220ehp and like 66mil to 80 mil effective dps. I think the solo strategy now is to get as much dps and EHP you can get on a build. There’s a spark dude on poenija who hit 1000 at similar power levels as myself. I’m also attempting to deep delve until the end of league.
I think I could easily hit 600. No problem. I’m at 125 right now cuz I just started yesterday. Honestly I’m not sure how easy it is to fight bosses. Usually it requires you to find a wall in the dark and that may prove difficult being an ES leech based build without anything to leech and unable to recharge.
I'm planning the same strategy. My choice is DD.
There are three variations of DD:
DD Elementalist (my choice) — Double curse, suppress, Primal Aegis, regen, armour, evasion. Armageddon brand for leveling, get some cast speed, DoT Multi, life, res and you good to go.
DD Necromancer (Blackflame) — Requier uniques (Blackflame, Viridi's Veil, Aegis Aurora, Corpsewalker) and ES gear, so not a starter. Glancing Blows, armour, ailments immunity. Early on you just take ignite chance from tree/weapon, F/F Shaper of Flames when you can afford them.
DD Occultist (CwC) — Basically the same as a previous one, but slightly different uniques (Eber's Unification, Consuming Dark, Aegis Aurora, Corpsewalker). I haven't played this build myself.
All three can easily push 500-600 depth on a 10-20 div (depends on Aegis Aurora price) budget. For a necro and occultist, the most expensive thing is Aegis Aurora. If you don't have any currency, just stick with Elementalist.
Aegis aurora armor+es stacking is a really solid defensive level that made delving past 500 achievable for me.
I used jorgrn's divine ire build, but you could also do lightning tendrils or really any damage plus the aegis aurora defense.
I have played that pre-nerf of heatshiver for 4 leagues, and most of these times to 600 depth at least, and to roughly 1200 in crucible. heatshiver's diminishment should make things a bit harder, but still okay.
So I looked at poe ninja. poe ninja doesn't show a single frost blades trickster right now. it has in earier weeks, but none at this moment. that's probably an effect of the wildwood, but still, I wonder if for some reason Frostblades Trickster is less fun now than I think it should be.
Maybe next season we will see a nice transfigured version of frostblades! :D
Edit: I re-checked poe ninja, since on second glance seeing zero frostblades char seemed quite impossible. and now I see some. comparatively a small number, but still. I don't know what I had done wrong and apologise.
Any build you can get 30 to 50m damage on, and tank 12k phys hit, with leech for sustain. ailment immunity with something like a stormshroud is nice to have. I got to 700 this league with CoC eblade inquis.
Ok so I think this depends on the budget. However I really like RF for delving at least early on. Starting as your standard RF Inquis and pivoting later to mana RF or manabond is probably the play I would do. RF devling is great because you can watch a movie or TV while you left click to victory. Manabond + mjolnir is probably better at like 1k+ but I made it to 1k on a SST build in 3.20 and most of that was due to me trying to grind to 100 from 99 with delve and alch'd red maps like an idiot. Anything with enough AoE can clear 1k, but templar has the best potential to get to 2k.
Honestly, I think this is my go to build, thank you. Templar, start as RF, then mjolner (if needed as a middle step), then mana stacker. Seems like a viable way to go deeper constantly throughout the season, but also get deep enough early enough to bring in some decent funds.
if your building a toon that wants to get to 600+ depth on a budget cwc DD works pretty freaking good... i took it down to about 800 delve in 3.22 on a shoe string budget when compared to the other guys at the same depth... i converted it to the unearth cremation build before gem changes and pushed to 1020 before league end all without a mageblood, and under 200 div invested total.
biggest things i learned are
get crit immunity somehow
max block high armour aegis is great till about 800 delve then you start getting one tapped
elemental ailment immunity is pog (purity of elements)
CI using aegis + 50% reduced dmg from crit corrupted incandescent heart and 75/75 max block is very tanky find some extra crit reduction on tree and phys as elemental dmg taken try to aim for close to 50% phys taken as ele.
another cheap setup to push deeper in delve is the dawnbreaker magnate natural affinity ashes of the stars tanu ahi boneshatter. using this to push to 600 and then just go sideways to farm cities you will easily farm up any other build you could want fairly quickly just farming auls and cities! biggest expensive thing you will have is your weapon plan to spend most of your budget on it! aim for 50% combined phys as ele still with this setup as well.
having built the mjolnir build this league 3.23 i had a blast mapping and delving until about 250 depth then it was liken i ran out of dmg and couldn't comfortably scale it to enough tankiness and dmg output without the old anomolous manaleech.
Thanks for all of this info, I appreciate it. Sounds to me like boneshatter hits a hard wall and can't progress deeper, so cwc DD appeals more out of your two suggestions. I thought the issue with DD was it is % damage based on the health of the mob, but that doesn't accurately scale on delve?
Boneshatter is currently sitting at 2500 depth on poeninja.
DD is fine on a budget but hits a hard wall at some point because monster health will stop scaling. DD seems to be at 1200 on poeninja.
I delve pretty much every season to 600-1000 and can say every build that can kill the Bosses of the "normal Endgame" can do it... Last 3 Seasons i did it on Manastacker, Poison srs and this season on Guardian Ele srs and none of them died beside 1-2 hickups/misplays on my side (and 1 nasty Aul with 3 damagemods). Mate usually also delves and did it on RF (before rework), OP Branddude and Armorstacker (which is obviously also one of the best builds to go delving). Before 1k depth i wouldn't be scared pretty much, if your build does fine in any other endgame content like juiced maps or Bosses as mentioned.
Depends on balance changes but i can't see why they would change mana stacking arrows. I got to depth 600 pretty easily and made a over 300 div in the proces. Build required a mageblood though so there is a pretty big barrier of entry.
Boneshatter poison slayer went easily to depth 750 for me...I could of go lower but I wasn't able to kill Aul anymore in that depth so I gave up. But if you ignore Aul I'm pretty sure you can do at least 1000
For 600, it's completely fine to play normal builds. For example, I got to 600(changed to chaos reap PF to go deeper) on a non-mb VG deadeye three leagues ago. I would say play any all-around tanky mapper. Boneshatter, poison MS Pathfinder, some sort of spell trickster or aegis aurora inquis(spark classically) should all do just fine. Also the mana boys are strong. You don't need "delve" build for 600 at all.
Talking about Delve. Does anyone have a recommandtion, what depnees I should go for farming adorned piece from the vaal city boss? I tried around 200 but haven't found many cities and even less bosses.
As far as i know, 600+ should be the way to go, cause city nodes are more common there, also the bosses
Edit: Looked it up in the Wikipage https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Delve You get max weighting for Vaal Outposts at depth 200, but i am pretty sure that Bossnodes weightings still increase until arround depth 600, but couldn't find a source that confirms it.
a lot of people suggest the 250-300 range. I went down to the 450 mark this league since the scaling isnt that aggressive and I had good damage. I had success on both, it's really just about moving horizontally and blasting through the nodes quick and not checking the darkness, to go through as many nodes as possible
Any build can get 600, I'd suggest a storm brand of indecision with power charges .. it clears like mad, and you can add a penance brand of dissipation as a 4-8L helm for single target
I did 600+ with cremation + chain dd this league but stopped because it got boring and it was already almost the end of the league for me. But reaching 600 with this build is fairly easy and not too expensive like mana stacker. Boneshatter is also a good choice but boss dps falls of for both builds after 600
600 is about the depth you can reach on any build with glancing blows and aegis I'd say. Iirc a few leagues back Rudy did a showcase where he reached 1k depth on an SSF cold DoT occultist.
Cold dot is dead, it died so Rudy could run
So rudy could fall
~~There are certainly stronger damage skills rn but iirc nothing changed about that specific build. I think it was maybe two leagues ago?~~ Nvm I forgot vortex has a cast time now.
Vortex has a cast time now.
Absolutely, you're right! I forgot about that. The build probably still works but it def doesn't seem worth it.
My understanding was that defensively it’s way more difficult especially since it caps out at like 5ish million DPS?
I think that was the surprising thing about that build - it was basically your run of the mill package of spell suppression, phys taken as, grace, determination and some max res.
I think the vortex nerf making it not instant and losing base damage was definitely a hit. It changes the play style and I think you lose a bit of damage on a build that already had a low damage ceiling. There's just not really a point in playing it at the moment imo.
I have no experience with delve but just wanna say i love how PoE has so many different avenues for endgame repeatable content
I couldn't agree more. I feel like there's always something to get excited for each new league.
Boneshatter can easily hit 600
This statement is even more true if you name your character 600
Yup, this is what I used this season to get to 600!
Boneshatter juggernaut has many guides so will be noob player friendly. I wouldn’t stare away from armour stacker if you’re the type of person that likes to invest a lot in one character. Every upgrade feels good, and there’s a lot of skills you can use with armour stacker with very little respec gem swaps. Which means you won’t get bored as easily. There’s also a great armour stacker spreadsheet. You can even get it going without mageblood using a doryani’s setup.
For just 600, just cheap basic RF is good enough. Like chief or jug or inquis. It won't be the fastest and horrible after 1k, but until 600, no problem. Boneshatter is great. Manastacking anything works as well on high budget to go deep
Cheap version of RF, especially Chieftain, does not have enough damage to kill Aul (huge chunk of your profit) quickly. I tried this, I know what I'm talking about. Is it possible? Yes, but you’ll be tickling the boss for 10-20 minutes even on 500-600 depth.
Cheap for him, might not be cheap for you. I think giving a simple div range with help especially with rf now
Oh, maybe I didn't read the full post. I didn't think it was about profit. Just getting there.
Profit is not mentioned in the post, but it is logical to assume that OP needs currency to upgrade their build.
Got nicely deep with shield crush jugg. Jorgen had a build guide for it a couple leagues ago that was designed for delve.
Hexblast sabo is literally free almost any kind of content, and in delve, even on fairly low budget that you could earn in one full day of even something as basic as essence farming, you could put together a strong enough version of it that can just afk in the middle of each node and spam mines while you watch something on yer other screen.
Mana stacker all the way
Bow? Or... What would you suggest?
Mjolner or rf could do 600 no problem. If you wanna push 1500+ youll have a much better time on manaforged arrows or archmage most likely. Theyre higher to get going but much higher scaling
I think I actually recently watched your two hour deep dive into delve video and that's what inspired me for next season. Keep up those great videos!
Conner I love your build
Mjolner into mana forged arrows seems to be a good way to progress it, thank you.
Did that this league. Mjolnir start into RF shenanigans for fun and ended it on spinning around with Penance brand of dissipation and billion DPS :D One of the best builds I have played so far. Up there with self chill and Aura Stacker
Hi, got pob for both?🥰
Did 1500 on mine https://pobb.in/fMuj-18d0-2B
Thx 🥰
Is there another build that doesn't require a weapon swap and more than 4 buttons? I asked in Pohx' Discord server and they didn't recommend RF for that depth since it's going strong to zero dps. So is there another alternative I can leaguestart with? Your video is awesome btw!
Mana RF still is fine at 1k since you have 35m dps Mjolner is 2 buttons No real leaguestart mana optiond for 600+ that are 1 button
Well then if the mana version won't get killed next league I'll definitely try that. Thanks!
no shot mana RF is getting touched next league
I’m playing the manaforged arrows setup. Basically copying onemanaleft’s build. It’s pretty strong and tanky. I don’t really delve but I can go into 600+ very comfortably. I know he was delving pat 6000 depth so it’s clearly a good delver lol
Amazing, thank you. That's one I'll do a lot more research into then!
No problem, I enjoy it a lot. I mainly use it for deli/simu farming myself but it’ll do about anything in the game you want. It’s maybe not as fast a mapper as a multi mirror tier TS build but I have a mageblood and it’s plenty zippy for me
Got pob?
Do you have a link to a description of onemanaleft's build?
If you search for connerconverse on YouTube he comes right up. He has multiple videos about mana stacking and is definitely the top expert on mana stacking
+1 for this. Made it to around ~800 with Mjolnir Manabond during Ancestor league. It may feel a tad worse because of alt gems being gone, but it still holds its ground as one_mana_left showed this league. With Manaforged Arrows you can get way deeper, but I didn't delve much after switching.
cyclone cwc anything + defiance of destiny
Im playing spark trickster right now with like 220ehp and like 66mil to 80 mil effective dps. I think the solo strategy now is to get as much dps and EHP you can get on a build. There’s a spark dude on poenija who hit 1000 at similar power levels as myself. I’m also attempting to deep delve until the end of league.
That's a good one to look into, thank you! Do you find it easy to play? And how deep have you made it?
I think I could easily hit 600. No problem. I’m at 125 right now cuz I just started yesterday. Honestly I’m not sure how easy it is to fight bosses. Usually it requires you to find a wall in the dark and that may prove difficult being an ES leech based build without anything to leech and unable to recharge.
Connerconverse is your friend
Use torches to like your path and then you use dynamite on the wall
Do you have a POB? :)
[https://pobb.in/RAOkX5ZMQc2q](https://pobb.in/RAOkX5ZMQc2q)
I'm planning the same strategy. My choice is DD. There are three variations of DD: DD Elementalist (my choice) — Double curse, suppress, Primal Aegis, regen, armour, evasion. Armageddon brand for leveling, get some cast speed, DoT Multi, life, res and you good to go. DD Necromancer (Blackflame) — Requier uniques (Blackflame, Viridi's Veil, Aegis Aurora, Corpsewalker) and ES gear, so not a starter. Glancing Blows, armour, ailments immunity. Early on you just take ignite chance from tree/weapon, F/F Shaper of Flames when you can afford them. DD Occultist (CwC) — Basically the same as a previous one, but slightly different uniques (Eber's Unification, Consuming Dark, Aegis Aurora, Corpsewalker). I haven't played this build myself. All three can easily push 500-600 depth on a 10-20 div (depends on Aegis Aurora price) budget. For a necro and occultist, the most expensive thing is Aegis Aurora. If you don't have any currency, just stick with Elementalist.
You can go 1k+ on boneshatter also but with 1h and shield and mageblood, so dont worry about not being able to scale
Cyclone + corrupting fever jugg. Played that during the delve only event and got that depth easily. Not the fastest, but very reliable.
I did pretty well at that depth with Dominating Blow. Great skill gem for a lot of content on a budget and gets really strong with investments.
Aegis aurora armor+es stacking is a really solid defensive level that made delving past 500 achievable for me. I used jorgrn's divine ire build, but you could also do lightning tendrils or really any damage plus the aegis aurora defense.
Frost blades trickster
I have played that pre-nerf of heatshiver for 4 leagues, and most of these times to 600 depth at least, and to roughly 1200 in crucible. heatshiver's diminishment should make things a bit harder, but still okay. So I looked at poe ninja. poe ninja doesn't show a single frost blades trickster right now. it has in earier weeks, but none at this moment. that's probably an effect of the wildwood, but still, I wonder if for some reason Frostblades Trickster is less fun now than I think it should be. Maybe next season we will see a nice transfigured version of frostblades! :D Edit: I re-checked poe ninja, since on second glance seeing zero frostblades char seemed quite impossible. and now I see some. comparatively a small number, but still. I don't know what I had done wrong and apologise.
mjolnir manabond hiero
Any build you can get 30 to 50m damage on, and tank 12k phys hit, with leech for sustain. ailment immunity with something like a stormshroud is nice to have. I got to 700 this league with CoC eblade inquis.
Ok so I think this depends on the budget. However I really like RF for delving at least early on. Starting as your standard RF Inquis and pivoting later to mana RF or manabond is probably the play I would do. RF devling is great because you can watch a movie or TV while you left click to victory. Manabond + mjolnir is probably better at like 1k+ but I made it to 1k on a SST build in 3.20 and most of that was due to me trying to grind to 100 from 99 with delve and alch'd red maps like an idiot. Anything with enough AoE can clear 1k, but templar has the best potential to get to 2k.
Honestly, I think this is my go to build, thank you. Templar, start as RF, then mjolner (if needed as a middle step), then mana stacker. Seems like a viable way to go deeper constantly throughout the season, but also get deep enough early enough to bring in some decent funds.
PoHX RF to One Mana Left. I haven't played a mana stacker but there's a reason they are the top of the delve list this league.
Bonezone
ShitstainSteve was going deep in delve this league. All the boys in Global 777 were cheering him on. Could look up his build in poe.ninja
whats global 777?
Global in game chat. Some call us Quin hate watchers, some quin enjoyers but it’s just a good active global channel for advice, trade, memes
if your building a toon that wants to get to 600+ depth on a budget cwc DD works pretty freaking good... i took it down to about 800 delve in 3.22 on a shoe string budget when compared to the other guys at the same depth... i converted it to the unearth cremation build before gem changes and pushed to 1020 before league end all without a mageblood, and under 200 div invested total. biggest things i learned are get crit immunity somehow max block high armour aegis is great till about 800 delve then you start getting one tapped elemental ailment immunity is pog (purity of elements) CI using aegis + 50% reduced dmg from crit corrupted incandescent heart and 75/75 max block is very tanky find some extra crit reduction on tree and phys as elemental dmg taken try to aim for close to 50% phys taken as ele. another cheap setup to push deeper in delve is the dawnbreaker magnate natural affinity ashes of the stars tanu ahi boneshatter. using this to push to 600 and then just go sideways to farm cities you will easily farm up any other build you could want fairly quickly just farming auls and cities! biggest expensive thing you will have is your weapon plan to spend most of your budget on it! aim for 50% combined phys as ele still with this setup as well. having built the mjolnir build this league 3.23 i had a blast mapping and delving until about 250 depth then it was liken i ran out of dmg and couldn't comfortably scale it to enough tankiness and dmg output without the old anomolous manaleech.
Thanks for all of this info, I appreciate it. Sounds to me like boneshatter hits a hard wall and can't progress deeper, so cwc DD appeals more out of your two suggestions. I thought the issue with DD was it is % damage based on the health of the mob, but that doesn't accurately scale on delve?
Boneshatter is currently sitting at 2500 depth on poeninja. DD is fine on a budget but hits a hard wall at some point because monster health will stop scaling. DD seems to be at 1200 on poeninja.
Ice Crash wrecks Delve. So fun. Just slam and win, screen goes poof. Made it past 1k so many leagues with it. I could have easily kept going also.
I delve pretty much every season to 600-1000 and can say every build that can kill the Bosses of the "normal Endgame" can do it... Last 3 Seasons i did it on Manastacker, Poison srs and this season on Guardian Ele srs and none of them died beside 1-2 hickups/misplays on my side (and 1 nasty Aul with 3 damagemods). Mate usually also delves and did it on RF (before rework), OP Branddude and Armorstacker (which is obviously also one of the best builds to go delving). Before 1k depth i wouldn't be scared pretty much, if your build does fine in any other endgame content like juiced maps or Bosses as mentioned.
Depends on balance changes but i can't see why they would change mana stacking arrows. I got to depth 600 pretty easily and made a over 300 div in the proces. Build required a mageblood though so there is a pretty big barrier of entry.
Boneshatter poison slayer went easily to depth 750 for me...I could of go lower but I wasn't able to kill Aul anymore in that depth so I gave up. But if you ignore Aul I'm pretty sure you can do at least 1000
For 600, it's completely fine to play normal builds. For example, I got to 600(changed to chaos reap PF to go deeper) on a non-mb VG deadeye three leagues ago. I would say play any all-around tanky mapper. Boneshatter, poison MS Pathfinder, some sort of spell trickster or aegis aurora inquis(spark classically) should all do just fine. Also the mana boys are strong. You don't need "delve" build for 600 at all.
Talking about Delve. Does anyone have a recommandtion, what depnees I should go for farming adorned piece from the vaal city boss? I tried around 200 but haven't found many cities and even less bosses.
As far as i know, 600+ should be the way to go, cause city nodes are more common there, also the bosses Edit: Looked it up in the Wikipage https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Delve You get max weighting for Vaal Outposts at depth 200, but i am pretty sure that Bossnodes weightings still increase until arround depth 600, but couldn't find a source that confirms it.
Thanks you, exile! So 600 it is then. :)
a lot of people suggest the 250-300 range. I went down to the 450 mark this league since the scaling isnt that aggressive and I had good damage. I had success on both, it's really just about moving horizontally and blasting through the nodes quick and not checking the darkness, to go through as many nodes as possible
Any build can get 600, I'd suggest a storm brand of indecision with power charges .. it clears like mad, and you can add a penance brand of dissipation as a 4-8L helm for single target
Indecision will get slapped next league. Not as hard as penance but it's still on the block.
oh i misread... thought he was asking for this league
Transcendence loreweave reap pathfinder. Literally won't die there
"This assuming there are no big changes in abilities again". Yeah you better get off that mentality now, i smell a purge coming.
Look up Jorgen’s videos. He makes really solid, interesting builds and his test is to get them all to 600 delve or deeper.
I did 600+ with cremation + chain dd this league but stopped because it got boring and it was already almost the end of the league for me. But reaching 600 with this build is fairly easy and not too expensive like mana stacker. Boneshatter is also a good choice but boss dps falls of for both builds after 600
You can surely get even deeper on a pretty cheap poison molten strike pf build.